/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68597318
forgot to add, thin-skinned grifter

When i order, bullying the ear, i always have the bullying on top. But i pick up this. Away! Because i don't eat it

>>68597337
forgot to add, thin-skinned coward, slut grifter

*sigh*

Explain, why are you even hurt?

>>68597540
My dick

THIS IS HARASSMENT!

>>68597626
Where's the original template I need it

>>68597626
According to some anon pic related is the original

>>68598021
Nah I remember it's about Jews and adl

>>68598021
>>68598062
No.

>>68597752
Here.

>>68597318
Anycolor said she was getting bullied first, didn't they?

>>68597626
Aqua's kayfabe is so on-point that I believe this.

>>68598107
They said she claims she was being bullied and that they don't believe it was true. It's incredible how few people can read.

>>68597318
Reminder that this is the girl that had a breakdown guerilla stream because she got mogged in an Apex kill race (that was her idea) by some girls that she thought were easy pickings.

>>68598145
>Florida man claims to be Jesus
<Yo the news just said this guy is the next coming of Christ.
American education

>>68598107
>>68598145
Basically:
>Selen we want you to release a statement to the public about why the video was privated, you can continue working under us if you do so as long as you follow the rules from now on
>REEEEEEEEEEE YOU MADE ME TRY TO ACK! TALK TO ME IN COURT! IF YOU DON'T PAY ME DAMAGES THERE I'LL RELEASE A STATEMENT ABOUT IT TO THE PUBLIC
>AC is forced to deny bullying and harassment happened against her and terminate her contract as a result

>>68598264
So how is the word of a mentally ill woman with BPD any better? Both are biased.

>>68598478
It's funny because if it was actually so fucking severe and serious like Selen is making it seem like, then Mumei wouldn't have described it as simply an embarrassing situation.

>>68598478
>>Selen we want you to release a statement to the public about why the video was privated, you can continue working under us if you do so as long as you follow the rules from now on
>"my video is private because management privated my video"
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SAY IT LIKE *THAT*
Fixed

>>68599440
Stop trying to use Mumei against Doki nijicunt

>>68598095
Huh, this is a far-leftist comic. did the invasion start way back then?

>>68599511
>filled out password
It was probably a tripfag, and yes people like that were always around. There used to be a lot more of them on /new/pol/ but they ran away because they kept losing arguments.

the deflection isn't supposed to be this blatant, dummy

>>68599495
>no argument

Believe women

>>68598478
>hey selen we're getting backlash about privating your video, we need a second twitter statement to shift the blame onto you for not following the rules
>i'm in the hospital and not capable of dealing with your bullshit rn
>hey, selen's emergency contact, we need a twitter statement
>uhh, i'm not selen and can't speak for her
>well somebody has to get us a tweet to shift the blame to!!
>talk to my lawyer now, i'm done with you
>REEEEEEEEEEEE FOUR PAGE ESSAY ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A BITCH YOU ARE

>>68599213
How is her suffering from BPD in any way relevant?

>>68599511
>this is a far-leftist comic
roru

>>68599578
rumao

>>68599511
is this fucking bait, how much of a newfag are you cunts

>>68599863
Because 4chan incels had a bad experience with a psycho ex who they armchair diagnosed with BPD after getting blackpilled. Therefore every person with BPD is the spawn of Satan.

>>68599440
Mumei is not involved in this and her friendship with Selen is not that close. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>68599578
Passwords filled out automatically back then.

>>68600544
I just kind of vaguely remember this comic but hasn't looked at it closely enough, and wow, it actually defends blacks. Why are people going along with it?

>>68600724
BPD, like most "mental disorders" that suddenly started getting diagnosed after the 60s, does not actually exist, it's just an excuse for shitty behavior.

>>68597318
How do you get bullied while working remotely? Like nigga just turn off Discord, lmao

>dogshit-tier NDF/dramanigger grudge bait
>34 replies
>>68600493
Come Out, Ye Black and Tans, and Address My Points like a Man

>>68599863
https://www.brightquest.com/borderline-personality-disorder/borderline-personality-disorder-and-paranoid-ideation/
>During times of stress, which may be caused by interpersonal conflict or a lack of self-confidence when facing personal or professional challenges, a person with BPD may suddenly feel surrounded by menace or danger. They may suspect that others—even people they would normally trust—are conspiring against them, or that mysterious forces may somehow be oppressing them.

>>68598478
>Selen, please tell everyone why we privated the video
>>Because of permissions? I already did that
>No say something else that doesn't make us look bad

Management can kill themselves

>>68600846
It's not an excuse, it's a descriptor.

>>68600724
>incels had a bad experience with a psycho ex
words have no meaning anymore

>>68600726
>her friendship with Selen is not that close
LOL
LMAO

>>68601105
Just because you paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you. We are really going to take the word of Liars-in-Chief over someone with an impeccable reputation because muh diagnosis, huh?

This type of reasoning is what happens when schizo patient lives with needles embedded in theor arms for decades because nurses assume they are just being delusional. True story, btw.

>>68597318
Show tits, lucub

>>68601105
You're telling me that because Doki has BPD I shouldn't believe her but I should believe EN management who apparently have annual mass lobotomisations?

>>68600846
What's it like to be practicing troglodyte in the 21st century? The adjustment to modern scientific reality, must be really hard.

>>68601556
Oy-vey, there's red and orange all over an x-ray of your brain, which means it's okay for you to act like you do, but you need to buy these pills.

>>68601105
Ya let's just ignore the fact that nijisanji already threw not 1, but THE ENTIRE NIJI EN under the bus with their statements. They don't want to take responsibility for shit, I would feel like they were against me too! I am sure all of nijis terminations were comlwtely fair and not just because they didn't have the balls to stick up for their talents against public backlash and cancelations. Niji is such a coward company that does not stand behind anyone and just tells them to keep quiet and go on hiatus every time

>>68597318
>implying it was the pomudachis
No, it was the shitty people inside the black company.

>>68601704
>x-ray of your brain
>x-ray
>brain

Anon, I don't think you should be commenting on any sort of medical issue.

>>68597337
she may be thin skinned but she's also big boned

>>68597318
>>68597337
>>68597540
>>68598145
>>68598147
>>68598478
>>68599213
>>68599440
>>68599742
>>68601015
Nijisanji interns having a melty again

>>68601121
>>68599804
>my employer did something I didn't like and I couldn't have my way?
>oh no, guess I'll have to kill myself now
>also I spent 200k on a bunch of fucking bullshit
>I'm losing money and I'm killing myself, why is everybody else doing this to me?????

BPD psycho chink

>>68601431
>We are really going to take the word of Liars-in-Chief over someone with an impeccable reputation because muh diagnosis, huh?
The boy who cried wolf Vs. The boy who has a condition that could potentially make him cry wolf when stressed
>>68601105
>stress, which may be caused by interpersonal conflict or a lack of self-confidence when facing personal or professional challenges
by this logic wouldn't she be lying about the things that are causing her to lie?

>>68602027
Just so you are aware anon, racism outside of /b/ isn't allowed.

>>68601105
Ah, yes. The BPD which caused her to write a multi-page diatribe ranting about non-specific offenses from Anycolor stretching over years, of which no sign was observed by other people, that were never punished or corrected despite having the power to do so. The BPD which caused her to accuse Anycolor of repeatedly slandering her on social media, despite zero examples of such slander, which caused her to contradict herself by saying that Anycolor made her look bad by carrying out the instructions she told them to carry out. The BPD which made her overreact to mere public disclosure of issues as a threat and -

Oh wait, no. Anycolor wrote all that, my bad.

>>68597393
fpbp

>>68602174
>The BPD which made her overreact to mere public disclosure of issues as a threat and -
>oh no being a completely unprofessional bitch has consequences, there is no justice in this world

it's not like stabbing the people who made you rich and famous in the back or anything like that after all, fucking lol

>>68602406
>it's not like stabbing the people who made you rich and famous in the back or anything like that after all

Selen made Niji a fuck ton more money than she saw herself.

>>68602487
just as the inverse is true as well, they made her more famous than she ever would've been on her own as some random fucking indie
and she made more and now used them to elevate herself after all the opportunities they've given her, just because she has to act like a fucking employee

a typical woman in other words. I can tell how much this says about her irks you

>>68599578
Yes, I have heard tell that the alt-right echo chamber is the bastion of good faith argumentation.

>>68602406
She kept radio silence right up to Anycolor dropping the notice. From the public's perspective, all people saw was Anycolor staggering around dramatically, clutching its sides and pointing at her while her hands remained in her pockets.

>>68602603
>just because she has to act like a fucking employee
Employers have an obligation to their employees to protect them from bullying and harassment. If you expected Selen to follow the rules, the company needs to follow their rules too.

> I can tell how much this says about her irks you
In English?

>>68602406
An unnecessary 4 page hit piece is not 'mere public disclosure of issues'. It's pettiness and unprofessionalism completely against what would be expected of a multi-billion dollar company at the forefront of their industry. There was absolutely no reason for them to disclose anything other than Selen was terminated but they wanted to attempt to hurt her whilst saving their own skin which backfired hilariously.

>>68601771
you missed the point Pomu, it's the fact she's thinskinned, she'll consider any thing bullying by her standards of what's bullying

>>68597318
>Hey Selen you aren't that good at games, maybe you should stop playing in tournaments
>Attemp suicide

>>68602665
BPD people ALWAYS feel that people are out to get them moron. did nobody learn anything from the Johnny Depp trial?
yeah when you act like a Psycho cunt people are gonna act slightly colder towards you, that doesn't mean you're being fucking "bullied". It means that other people have a healthy response to your own fucking behavior, which to people with BPD constitutes basically being brutally raped, which is why they're constantly attacking others

>>68602652
>>68602746
she was already suicide baiting and tarnishing their rep aka their revenue anyway so if anything it's just tit for tat. though I agree it might not be the smartest move, they still have to minimize potential risk. That's how companies fucking work, and clearly they found Selen to be too fucking unstable to deal with privately
it's easily just as much of a statement in regards to Selen's own shitty character

>>68597318
shit thread

>>68599863
it's relevant because people with bpd usually function pretty well when interacting with people who aren't the ones they care most about. However when they're with the people they either love or care most about, they can get pretty cruel and malicious from time to time. They will do things to hurt you, pretend like they aren't, and smile while doing it. They get an irrational hatred of you even if you haven't done anything, and while they have that hatred they will preemptively attack. They will ruin any holiday, any family get together, any excursion just to try and exert more control over you. I think it's something like less than 20% of people with bpd can remain employed because they just don't have it in them. Suicide is a constant weapon and threat with them
>>68600724
you can just say you have bpd
I was very pro Selen until I found out she had bpd. A very small percentage of people with bpd are capable of learning to live with bpd without torpedoing the lives of those closest to them. I'm just not sure I like Selen's chances of being one of them.

>>68602882
>BPD people ALWAYS feel that people are out to get them moron
Given I'm someone with BPD, no.
> which is why they're constantly attacking others
You have no idea how BPD actually makes people behave do you? It's just a buzz word you can use as a synonym for psychotic bitch to you.

>>68597318
*sigh*
If you needed a cock you could have just asked you slutty woman.

>>68602765
Uh, I think you've got them mixed up again. Selen isn't the one who's screaming about 'irreparable damage' to their reputation. I mean, even the most ardent Nijisanji advocates on this board have been repeatedly claiming that things will go back to normal in a week! That doesn't sound very irreparable to me. Frankly, sounds like Anycolor is the thin-skinned one here.

>>68600724
The most truthful post on the site

>>68602746
>4 page hit piece
It's actually a legal document that was written by a lawyer because she was planning to take them to court. You will realize this if you are familiar with legal terms.

>>68602406
Where have I heard this talking point before?

>>68602962
so you're saying you're not just a chick but retarded as well?
psychopathy is more of a male thing, bpd is female. all emotional rage

>>68603169
Please gather.
>>68600724
>>68603132

>>68603135
>It's actually a legal document that was written by a lawyer because she was planning to take them to court

On what planet does this make sense? Okay, say Selen was planning to take them to court. Why did that necessitate them airing their dirty laundry on Twitter?

>>68603169
>>68600724
Ah, so you are one of these unfortunate 'BPD incels'. I can't really put much stock in your words then. You're too blinded by rage.

>>68603232
Because she said she was going to release a public statement on the matter if AC did not comply with her demands, so they were forced to legally cover themselves.

>>68603169
Anon, you do understand that 'often' and 'may' are very different words to 'always', right?

also
>citing fucking reddit posts as evidence

>>68603260
You mean, they claim she said. Technically she hasn't said anything at all about that. It's probably just another lie by Anycolor.

>>68602882
You can blame all you want on her mental condition, but the only squizo posts have been coming from nijisanji, though.

>>68603260
>so they were forced to legally cover themselves.

Elaborate because that doesn't make sense. Okay, Selen releases a public statement. So? If it's untruthful, they now have a perfect case for defamation and will sue her into the ground? How exactly does airing out their dirty laundry with Selen on Twitter give them a legal defence? How could a legal defence also contain actual lies about Selen having access to her Twitter account? How could a legal defence actual admit to ambulance chasing? How could a legal defence admit to contacting her emergency contact about work related matters?

>>68603169
>personality disorders are just gender stereotypes
>doesn't even know the difference between psychotic and psychopathic
Please stop posting, you have embarrassed yourself enough as it is.

>>68603251
>BPD incels
that's a good one, maybe you should tell that to your psychiatrist, since that's actually a perfect descriptor of bipolar disorder behavior to begin with. lmao
it's funny that women give themselves away like this just by how fucked up their brains work..

>>68603287
>citing every fucking google result and the Psychological literature as evidence
>person has been diagnosed with BPD
>Person has exhibited BPD behavior, like being unprofessional and suicide baiting and getting fired
>IT'S NOT LIKE THAT THOOOOO

get some fucking self-awareness

>>68603388
They will not sue her but now she has to substantiate her claims in court if she wants it to go anywhere. AC "firmly believes" the livers and the company were not engaged in harassment or unjust practices towards her.

>>68603440
Anon, I think you might actually have BPD with how much of a sensitive bitch you are.

>>68603432
>>68603287
>muh hecking DSM-5 is fucking roicist to wahmen
literally cope and seethe, foids

>>68603479
...do you think this is quantum mechanics or something? That if there are no public observers that Anycolor will not be able to, er, do their 'firm believing'?

>>68603050
that's a strawman, hasty generalization, argumentum ad populum and whataboutism

it's Selen's claims, which Niji claims it's Selen's claims that Doki confirmed, clearly burden of proof is on her

>>68603479
>They will not sue her but now she has to substantiate her claims in court if she wants it to go anywhere

Why does she have to substantiate her claims in court if she wants to go anywhere? Wouldn't she still have to have done that before? You're still not connecting the dots between 'Legal defence' and 'AnyColor had to publicly assassinate her character'

>AC "firmly believes" the livers and the company were not engaged in harassment or unjust practices towards her.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove or say? AnyColor can firmly believe the earth is flat. Doesn't mean jack shit to anybody except them?

>>68603548
Anon, do you want some of meds?

when an employee leaves a company, it's always the companies fault, even if its the employee's fault, people on /vt/ trying to blame anything on selen are retards

Whew 91 posts and 40 ips. The NDF really going hard today

>>68603589
>I GOTTA DEBOOOOOONK

>>68603589
Unless Niji is going to provide receipts, there is no actual proof anything Niji said except the hospitalisation and the bullying which were the only two things confirmed by Doki.

The rest is completely one-sided by Nij
> clearly burden of proof is on her
No it's not. Niji made the claims about her claims, the burden of proof is still on them to prove she made those claims.

>>68597318
Seethe more enna

>>68603622
What do you think the 'negotiations' here are? She wanted them to pay her in damages, but they said no I have evidence against your claims.

>>68603169
>personality disorders are just gender stereotypes
ignore the gender stereotyping from that retard and focus on the image

>>68603776
Anon, I have no idea what the fuck you are actually talking about at this point. You seem to perform some logic jumps in your head and then just spout the conclusion and assume I will understand. This is actually an extremely autistic thing to do and I think you unironically have autism.

I have no idea what parts of my post you are referring to or why it matters.

>>68603776
It's flat-out amazing how not a single word you wrote was related to your screenshot. Oh wait, 'negotiations', I guess.

>>68603820

The truth is that in this industry the only way to get to the top earnings-wise is to get rid of any shreds of morality. Don't half ass it. Accept that you are here to milk disposable income from incels and losers. Why should you do this bad thing but stop yourself from doing another thing. Embrace the fakeness of it all. Pretend you want to kill yourself. Pretend you got bullied when you also bantered and shit talked other girls. Start your reincarnation stream by saying they took all your money away. Only then you will get the most money you can get and that is why you got into this job in the first place. Be the best at what you do - milking money out of retards.

>>68603919
ignore the text in this retard's post and focus on the image

>>68603820
No u
>>68603287

>>68603882
I'm just familiar with legal terms and know how to read between the lines.

>>68603891
>demanded that AC should be held legally responsible
>negotiations
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that's lawyer speak and it means a court case.

>>68600724
As a femanon with BPD, women with BPD genuinely are the spawn of satan. I ruin every relationship I touch and can't keep a job to save my life. I can't count the amount of "suicide attempts" (ways to get more attention/convince people to stay with you) I've had. While I can empathize with Selen, its hard to take her seriously when I know the game.
>MV privated > destroy mode
>Fuck, what did I do. My whole life is ruined, Niji is offering me an out but they're just out to get me > sewerslide
>Well Niji is evil anyways > I will make management and all my previous coworkers suffer

>>68604009
>I'm just familiar with legal terms and know how to read between the lines.
Okay go ahead and explain then because you've completely lost me.

Explain, step by step, why it was LEGALLY NECESSARY, for AnyColor to produce a 4 page document listing their grievances with Selen and post it on Twitter? I'm going to need to see some actual legal expertise from you to explain why because as far as I'm concerned, what AnyColor posted on Twitter actually legally hurts their case if it were to go to court.

>>68603745
This is what I'd call somewhat fantastical thinking
It's not as if corporate themselves are in direct contact with their livers, yet they are the ones responsible for putting out these official statements etc. Multiple people have to cooperate to make a cooperate entity function
Either your claim is that whoever manages Selen directly is making up claims regarding their communication, in which case this could easily be proven or disputed by Selen herself..
Or for the most part you can safely say that companies tend to lie by omission rather than making up stuff out of thin air, as that would potentially cost someone their job or open them up to potential lawsuits, which is again for their reputation as a whole which is why they don't do that

So really this is just wishful thinking. Selen tried to kys and then wanted Nijisanji to pay her emotional damages essentially

>>68602406
>it's not like stabbing the people who made you rich and famous in the back or anything like that after all
...but enough about nijisanji

>>68604070
So your brain is so simple that you figure that because you are a failure every girl who has something in common with you are just as bad?

Just admit Niji has a cultural disease, I've literally dealt with removing cultural disease from an entire public library system. Things got so bad within this system they hired a male ex-marine to stomp their own balls despite being a distinctly leftist entity in a completely unchallenged leftist geolocality, this is something that does have to happen sometime and something that, yes, your troony office might even pay someone like me to work on. I'd find the bully and literally have her frog-marched to JP jail to start rebuilding morale and belief in rules and if their CEO wasn't a little boy in way over his head he'd do the same. Course I'd just put a bunch of ex-JSRF bullies in charge so maybe an actual japanese could be gentler.

I can mentally hear the REEEEEEE >>68599495 made after finishing his post.

>>68604134
>Either your claim is
No my claim is:

Niji said "Selen claimed this" and didn't provide any evidence that Selen actually claimed that. So the burden of proof is on them to prove Selen said anything at all.

>>68604129
It was a response to the public statement she threatened to release basically. She didn't give hem any other choice. It was either "pay me in court" or "fire me and deny my claims".

>LEAVE THE BILLIONAIRE CORPORATION ALONE THEY WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG ;____; #believealljews
It's kinda funny seeing women here so desperate to protect their vtuber husbandos they try to use the native woman hating attitude on this website in their favour

>>68604196
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. BPD is extremely difficult to deal with and every person I've met who has been properly diagnosed is exactly the same without extensive DBT therapy and even then you can always relapse and go back to your old ways.
I think you're not understanding that our brains are fundamentally fucked up, we perceive things differently and overreact.

>>68604070
Enna is that you?

You know it bad when anyone already moved on and Nijikek still seething

>>68604264
>It was a response
no, it was a burn notice, from a company trying to actively destroy someone they didn't like.

>>68604253
lack of evidence is not evidence in itself
if Selen doesn't dispute their claim then there's no reason to imply that it's untruthful

Again, suggesting that they made it up out of the thin air is the more outrageous claim here. The statement stands, your arbitrary objective reality which doesn't exist is irrelevant, case dismissed.

I don't get it, she could've done this without trying to kill herself.

>>68604264
oh big bad Selen strong arming a tiny company who were forced to shame themselves on twitter because Selen was threatening to expose them?

>>68604264
...and pray tell, did her termination fundamentally affect her ability to make a public statement?

See, here's the thing. If she was willing to go public while bound by contract, she SURE AS HELL would have gone public AFTER termination! There's no difference! If anything it just would have made it more likely! What the fuck! Do you understand how retarded this line of argument sounds?

>>68604351
And they're only doing this when things have died down, because previously they were getting their asses kicked. Nijiniggers never learn.

>>68604354
That sounds like an emotional opinion.

>>68604264
>It was a response to the public statement she threatened to release basically
So it wasn't legally necessary at all?
> It was either "pay me in court" or "fire me and deny my claims".
What?
The public statement doesn't absolve Nijisanji of any wrongdoing. If they fucked up, Selen can still sue them and still receive payment regardless of them firing her or denying her claims.
At no point does Niji producing that statement assist them in any legal way. Niji could have just completely ignored Selen and produced no public notice and still fired her. Wouldn't have changed anything in terms of the legal landscape.

So, again, what the fuck are you on about?

>>68598095
Back when pol used to make fun of itself. Good old days.

>>68604448
Yes, that's exactly how the nijisanji manifesto read like. An emotionally driven response that lacked any professional merit.

>>68604321
Sounds like confirmation bias to me

>>68604372
NTA but couldnt they just mail the reasons for termination and denial of bullying to Selen herself? Is there a legal reason to post it to the public?

>>68604372
>lack of evidence is not evidence in itself
Okay? That doesn't apply here.
>if Selen doesn't dispute their claim then there's no reason to imply that it's untruthful
You might literally want to read what you just wrote. If Niji cannot produce evidence for their claim, simply because Selen doesn't dispute it is not evidence for their claims.

>Again, suggesting that they made it up out of the thin air is the more outrageous claim here
If they don't have evidence to back it up, then their claims may as well have been made out of thin air.

>>68604449
>person releases statement claiming things you think it's bullshit and have evidence against
>you should just stay quiet

>>68604503
>This confirmed BPD girl did BPD things
Guys its totally not related to her BPD!!! You've never met someone with BPD and I hope you never do

>>68599863
It's just a way to discredit her as a menhera.

The NDF's current talking point is that this is all made up and that all the reports of bullying, harassment, and a toxic work environment are lies by Selen simply because she is evil and didn't take five minutes to get permissions for her song (and please don't remember anything about how other ex-Livers have told similar stories to Selen, that would be very inconvenient for us, you know).

>>68604635
its ok to accept that you are wrong

>>68604635
I haven't seen any BPD behavior at all, actually. Unless it's from whoever wrote that burn notice.

>>68600846
t. SEAfag

>>68604635
Nijinigger like you is so fucking disgusting kek

>>68604527
to protect their Stock value from their rogue BPD ex-employee obviously, and to paint Selen as an unreliable narrator
which is all pretty typical stuff if you've ever dealt with a corporate entity professionally in your life

again it should be stated that essentially trying to destroy the same Company that kickstarted your career is pretty damn shameless behavior in lots of different ways
there's a reason why it's so stigmatized in a business context

>>68604594
>>lack of evidence is not evidence in itself
>Okay? That doesn't apply here.

that's literally the de-facto legal framework buddy
are you really saying your preferential understanding of the concept of truth has an even higher standard than the justice system itself?

>>68604605
Selen never released anything. Even if she did, if it was false, then Niji actually has a case for defamation which is an infinitely better way to defend their company's reputation than attempting to publicly execute a former employee in the court of public opinion on twitter.

So you still haven't explained the legal necessity of what they did.

>>68604709
This. If anything, Selen seems to keep it on a tight lid for the most part.

>>68604684
nijisanji may be shit, but bpd is even worse bro
Anwyay, there's more than enough drama going around thanks to people like Luca that Selen having bpd isn't a deflection. It's just an unfortunate fact. But she was part of some "Living w/ BPD group", so there's a decent chance she was actually trying to take steps to address it, which is more than 90% of what people with BPD do.

>>68604745
>Selen never released anything
I see you're playing dumb now with the "Selen and Dokibird aren't the same person". You know what I meant. She was ALWAYS going to release that statement if they didn't legally comply with their demands.

>>68604744
You still have failed to explain why Nijisanji doesn't need to back up their claims with evidence. Silence from Selen is not evidence.

>>68604635
Selen has a very good name on herself, everyone that worked with her loved doing so, in fact, there's proof around that she was more professional than Nijisanji EN's management themselves

Nijisisters here want people do believe Selen is somehow at fault simply by assuming things about her based merely on imaginary possibilities, that's literally all we have here in these threads

It won't work that way unless you actually have any dirt on her

>>68604703
>>68604709
>>68604736
I don't give a fuck about niji or selen, but to say that suicide is not because her BPD is absolutely retarded. 70% of people with BPD attempt suicide, a normal level headed person in Selen's situation would not try to off themselves

>>68604833
I'm not saying she's at fault and tons of people with BPD are quite nice when not having an episode

>>68604818
>She was ALWAYS going to release that statement if they didn't legally comply with their demands.
And?

You're still failing to explain what part of anything Niji did was a legal necessity. There's not legal necessity to publicly fire your employees and give reasoning for it. They could have just sent an email to her.

>>68604744
Niji literally released a 4 page document detailing their bullying attempts. You should read it sometime and tell us what the FUCK they were cooking with that one, because it sure as hell wasn't business.

>>68604818
Lets pretend you are right, in this fantasy world where Selen announced that she were bullied first rather than Niji confirming it, would Niji be in a worse or better spot?

>>68604745
NTA but wasn't that part of the statement? That she was threatening months ago to make statements against them if they didn't renew negotiations? Also the way that people were already starting to be funneled to her new/old accounts probably made them panic and try to get out ahead of her.

>>68604070
It's not Selen's fault she a demonstratively better human being than 80% of those with your diagnosis. Sounds like a skill issue to me. Git gud, scrub.

>>68604891
Bro... it was already written and revised by a lawyer. They don't want to waste time with defamation bullshit that isn't going anywhere. They just wanted to defend themselves.

>>68604925
Niji claimed she threatened but she never did anything. Even if she did release a statement, it still makes no sense what this other anon is claiming that Niji LEGALLY had to release a 4 page termination letter.

>>68604834
>I don't give a fuck about niji or selen
Then why are you here crying ? Fucking retard

>>68604891
NTA but I think its a part of company policy. You can't just fire an employee who interacts with thousands of people and not release a statement.

>>68604976
>it was already written and revised by a lawyer.
Prove that statement.
>hey don't want to waste time with defamation bullshit that isn't going anywhere
So, what does that have to do with anything?
>They just wanted to defend themselves
So it had nothing to do with any legal necessity. They just wanted to save face.

>>68604976
on twitter? The only reason to post it publicly is to try and win in the court of public opinion, not the court of law, there is now legal advantage that they now gained by shaming themselves

>>68601795
Maybe he's a bonehead

>>68605010
>but I think its a part of company policy.
Maybe? But I've never seen anything of the sort nor is it legally necessary and it's especially not necessary to list out the reasoning for it.

>>68604818
Now you're sounding like a crazy person. She had a month of silence, a literal month to do it. And...she didn't say a word to the public about any of this. But hey, everyone knows there's nothing scarier than a girl sitting on her ass playing apex for a month, huh. Anycolor totally acted rationally there.

>>68604831
A statement is not the same as an absence of evidence, it's a statement. Nijisanji's statement
if you don't like believing it then that's your prerogative

it's also silly to assume they don't have evidence of these conversations. they don't want to nor should need to seem excessive with their information disclosure

>>68604976
I have not a single iota of doubt that a lawyer never even set eyes on that document.

>>68605101
>if you don't like believing it then that's your prerogative
I have no reason to believe a statement without evidence.
>it's also silly to assume they don't have evidence of these conversations
Why?
>they don't want to nor should need to seem excessive with their information disclosure
Then why make a 4 page document disclosing a ton of excessive information for no reason?

>>68604991
I mean, if it was to get something out of them then it's clear why she didn't do it. Like, I don't know and neither do you for sure, but it's logically consistent. If it was said that she was going to do it if things weren't going well, then blindsiding her seems logical?

>>68605086
Did you miss the part where she found out about her termination because a friend sent her the nijisanji statement? She was still hoping to part ways with the company in neutral terms retard

>>68605158
so you think 4 is excessive yet you're still criticizing them for not making it a 5 or 6 page document in the same breath?
again it's your prerogative, I just think it's silly to assume that they're making up all of their communications with Selen. especially when the alternative is believing someone who tried to kill themselves wouldn't act unreasonably

>>68605086
>she's just sitting there...GAMINGLY!

>>68604833
Pretty much. Selen stepped up to pay Niji's own suppliers (artists) when Niji routinely stiffed them and ignored requests for payment. This tells me everything I need to know about her character. No one outside of Nijisanji who has spoken up has ever had anything bad to say about Selen.

And on top of that, Selen's story roughly matches a lot of what we've heard from other ex-Livers, who have been leaving one after the other.

This is damage control and either company fans or employees or both are trying to trash Selen further to limit the damage (instead of doing the thing which would actually limit the damage - tell the truth and apologize).

>>68605252
>someone who tried to kill themselves wouldn't act unreasonably
But enough about the Niji En Branch

>>68605252
A company not only failing to maintain, but actively damaging the mental health of their top talent is 100% the company's fault. They shot themselves in the foot and placing the blame on the talent solves nothing.

>>68604834
If this type of trouble is so common for people with BPD then surely Nijisanji has receipts for it? How about under situations where an ordinary person wouldn't be stressed?

>believing the diaper furfag

>>68605227
>then blindsiding her seems logical?
Not really.
If she was going to spill a bunch of shit that was just baseless lies, let her do it. It paints her in a way worse light when you sue her for defamation and win because it's then proven she is a psychotic bitch who deserved everything that happened. But my guess is, most of the things were probably true and Niji doesn't have a defamation case against her and so wanted to try to win the race of public opinion because usually whoever gets their version of events out first, wins. But because Niji is borderline retarded, their statement was more than enough to have everyone side with Selen without her ever needing to lift a finger.

NijiDefense force really isn't the brightest.

>>68605039
>someone posts bullshit about you on social media
>you should just stay quiet and not say anything about it to the public
This is pretty much your argument. Of course it's not "legally necessary" to do so but that's not the point.

>>68605086
Read the notice again. She said she wasn

>>68605330
>spends 200k on shitty fujoshit "fan content"
>spends 15k on a deviantart tier music video cover
>goes apeshit when things don't go her away, instead of doing literally just anything else like rolling in all this fuck-you cash she's clearly got

oh mentally healthy btw

>>68605252
You have failed to answer why it's silly to assume they don't have evidence when they haven't provided any evidence. You have failed to answer the question of, if they are so concerned about excessive information disclosure, why did they release 4 pages of excessive information. So please answer.

>>68605377
there is a reason they are still siding with Niji

>>68602603
Maybe she would have had motivation to act like a fucking employee if they paid her like a fucking employee

>>68605233
You realize if that were a factor, you just proved that Anycolor did it solely to smear her and not because the threat of disclosure put pressure on them. They were aware she wanted to leave on neutral terms. Thus, negotiations were still in progress and they were well aware she would not disclose it - as long as they did not do something to upset the situation like, you know, terminating her.

>>68605424
I got Candlejacked for a moment.
>She said wasn't able to engage in her activities as a liver. That's the reason for her silence.

>>68605436
And yet the yacht got more reimbursement than she did.

>>68605363
>believing Real Life Shinra because Barrett is a hothead and a nigger

>>68605424
>Of course it's not "legally necessary" to do so but that's not the point.
That was your original point. Thanks for conceding anon.

>>someone posts bullshit about you on social media
Except Selen nor Doki ever posted anything.
>you should just stay quiet and not say anything about it to the public
No. If they are making shit up about you, you go through the proper channels like a defamation case because if you don't, you end up looking like an lying, evil and incompetent company who bullies their own employees into suicide whilst also implicating all their other employees in bullying people into suicide. Nijisanji had absolutely no goodwill in the vtubing community, Selen has a mountain of it. Nobody has any reason to believe anything Nijisanji said so that is why it would be extremely important for them to legally, factually, prove their case because in the court of public opinion, they would (and did) lose extremely badly.

>>68603931
>i spent so much for nothing woe is me
>here is my merch btw

>>68605377
im not even sure they believe anything they are saying, its like someone is engineering the weakest possible arguments, now way someone really believes this

>>68605458
>>68605540
>work for shitty Jap black company
>pour all your liquid assets into dumb fan content like an utter fucking retard
>get outraged that all your money is suddenly gone and that you aren't getting reimbursed for things that wasn't even sanctioned by corporate

mentally healthy and not possibly double digit IQ btw

>>68605377
All that remains of the branch is battered housewives who think they can fix him

Selen had to advance payments that should have been made by the company.
-200k
Corporate realized the snowball got too big. Both Selen and contractors are starting to get very nervous.
Solution: gaslight and bully Selen into a forced exit without compensation.
Easy +200k for the company books, and saves compensation for the termination because worker broke four pages of rules.

>>68600846
>it's not possible for science to dicover new things

>>68605600
>/v/ermin

>>68605623
They DON'T want a court case. Holy shit. Trying to sue Selen for defamation would be a waste of time. If she wants one then she is free to do it but if AC "firmly believes they and other livers were not engaged in unjust practices towards her" then they are not scared.

>>68605710
>Take a risky project because the industry demands innovation and those who don't advance die
>Get good results
>Ask company for their support
>They say fuck you
healthy company and not possibly double digit IQ btw

>>68605443
Because nobody has disputed them.

Now kindly kill yourself

>>68605743
Based, I wish I was cold-blooded enough to pull shit like that in my administrative work.

>>68605791
>They DON'T want a court case
Doki didn't want a 4 page smear letter and wanted to leave on amicable terms but Niji didn't let her. So, who gives a shit what Niji wants?
> Trying to sue Selen for defamation would be a waste of time
So is writing a 4 page smear letter?
>"firmly believes they and other livers were not engaged in unjust practices towards her" then they are not scared.
Then why write a 4 page smear letter?

>>68605819
I'll quote you, "lack of evidence is not evidence in itself".

I see the Nijisisters think they can shift the narrative

>>68605791
Nijisanji are so dumb that they might bring the case to a court in Canada, believing they'll get their dicks sucked the same way as a corpo gets it done in Japan.

>>68605837
Only dumb kids or illiterate immigrants might fall for this one, though. +10 bonus roll chance if in Japan, because of their idol culture.

>>68605805
>oh look at me, I'm a maverick!! I'm innovoooting!!!!!
>what? I'm still expected to have to behave like an employee, and be somewhat grateful due to this amazing opportunity that has been provided to me?
>what??? You expect me to just be responsible with my finances save my fortune and not splurge like a menhara fucking retard??
>REEEEEEEEE I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF, THIS EVIL COMPANY DROVE ME TO SUICIDE

mentally healthy btw

>>68605977
There is a word for a person who takes on all the risks for the company. They're called

INDIE

Selen was an indie all along, except worse because she had to drag a ball and chain of nijisanji's dead ass weight around.

>>68605956
They are desperate to sink with the ship

>>68605653
I doubt a lot of them do. They're just repeating a talking point cooked up in their Discords (or maybe even in the company offices given how much the company seems to lurk /here/).

There's also some anons mobying and making the most arrogant and awful-sounding arguments possible to make them look even worse, not that they really need help doing that.

>>68605918
if there is no dispute then there is no lack of evidence. it's just a statement
you should try wrapping your brain around the concept someday

>>68606097
Nothing wrong with a devils advocate

>>68605653
They learn from "the best". This is what happens when you bootlick companies that bootlick the Chinese government

>>68606079
that's one way to describe the people who made you rich

>>68606205
Those are called TALENTS

>>68605854
>Doki didn't want a 4 page smear letter and wanted to leave on amicable terms but Niji didn't let her.
You've ignored everything I've argued previously. I give up on talking with you now. It's like playing chess with a pidgeon.

>>68606127
>if there is no dispute then there is no lack of evidence. it's just a statement
And? A statement without evidence is just as worthless as no statement at all. It's completely meaningless, so explain why I should believe that statement?

I can say Riku raped Selen and then forced her to commit suicide to cover it up. Since nobody has disputed this statement therefore you should believe this statement.

>>68606229
LMFAO no, just no. They are nothing without the company. And no, Dokibird's fame won't last; just like Sayu's didn't last. She will be a 2view shitter before summer starts.

>>68606229
then start your own corpo and don't get upset when they expect you to behave like an adult after they've already paid for countless assets and opportunities for your startup and you've already signed a fucking contract

>>68606307
Bro, there are two-digit andys streaming at Niji...

>>68606357
Not in JP nor EN :)

>>68606307

>>68606307
Who do you think you're kidding? Sayu easily beats out some of nijiEN even on her worst days.

>>68606323
>they've already paid for countless assets
True, zero isn't a countable number.

>>68606239
Thanks for your concession.

So we have determined it was not a legal necessity for AnyColor to produce the document they did which you claimed they were 'forced' to, here >>68603260 and then conceded that they actually weren't forced to, here >>68605424

So your entire argument was simply just made up bullshit, I hope you're being paid well.

>>68606388
LMFAO no she doesn't.

>>68606307
Sayu was with Niji for how long exactly?

>>68606323
Perhaps Anycolor should have read their own fucking contract and assumed legal responsibility like she requested them to. Instead they kicked and screamed like babies and she was forced to bring legal representation against them.

>>68606323
>they've already paid for countless assets and opportunities for your startup

oh boy, does nijisanji do that?

>>68605977
Selen gets pushed out of the company over petty MV drama, meanwhile Luca was literally letting Mizuchi build for him on the Minecraft server and completely gets away with it.
Let's face it Nijisanji punishes severely people who they dislike on a personal basis, such as Selen or Zaion, but is totally ready to bend the rules for people they favor.

>>68606450
you don't even get a 3D chair for your showcase without paying for it, so, uh.

>>68598145
And i dont believe that NijisanjiEN statement is true, so?

>>68606277
you don't know Riku or Selen

Anycolor's statement is by legal definition a witness statement and would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. That's also why Companies tend to want to not just make anything up for their official statements

so again, if it's not in a court of law. and it's not disputed, then it's just a statement from an eligible witness
It's your prerogative what you want to believe, but your malding over not understanding what a fucking statement means is getting embarrassing at this point so maybe you should just get over the fact that reality doesn't align with your preferred headcanon and that Selen has not disputed any of the claims and therefore they stand as undisputed witness testimony until proven otherwise mkay?
good

>>68606323
>after they've already paid
selenlaugh.mp3

>>68606323
>paid for countless assets and opportunities for your startup and you've already signed a fucking contract
>Paid
lol, kek even

>>68600846
Mental illnesses don't exist! Its just wrongthink! ARGH BRAIN HURT

>>68606534
>you don't know Riku or Selen
Prove that statement. Oh wait you can't. So what I stated stands until disproven.

>Anycolor's statement is by legal definition a witness statement and would be admissable as evidence in a court of law
And?
>That's also why Companies tend to want to not just make anything up for their official statements
And?
>so again, if it's not in a court of law. and it's not disputed, then it's just a statement from an eligible witness
With no evidence.
>It's your prerogative what you want to believe
No it's not. It's just logic. If a statement has no evidence, then there's no reason to believe in the veracity of said statement.
> therefore they stand as undisputed witness testimony until proven otherwise mkay?
I'm disputing them right now. Where's the evidence?

>>68606417
Yeah okay let's look who's streaming now -
Oh hey! What do you know, an audience-clitsucking stream can't even beat a fucking Persona 3 slog.

>>68606307
Selen has been on the company for more than 3 years and is considered one of the bedrock of NijiEN, She has built herself a reputation as one of the greatest in the EN vtubing sphere, Hell her redebut stream as Doki already has more than a 100k viewers evem if only a fraction of those remained it's still more than most current NijiEN livers will ever have

>>68604070
How do you reconcile your interpretation with the fact that multiple people have had issues with NijiEN and not just Selen?

>>68606657
>twitch
You gotta divide that by 20 to get the real ccv

>>68605958
Nijisanji is not going to sue. That would open them up to discovery and increase the risk of more leaks. They'd be forced to settle. Then again, the people running this company are so stupid, so petty, and so vindictive they might be dumb enough to self-own and try it, so who knows!

Also, they lost a court case in JAPAN. Against fucking NARUKAMI. That should give you an idea of how competent Nijisanji's "legal team" is.

>>68601121
"I already did that"
"Hello I apologize but management has privated the Song. Please feel free to reupload since a lot of money and effort was done by so many dragoons. I'm really sad that this happened on christmas but I hope somehow you guys will still be able to listen to it in some way."

No, all she did was say "management has privated the song" ZERO CONTEXT, and then said haha dragoons go ahead and upload it yourselves HAHA

>>68606739
>ZERO CONTEXT
If Nijisanji management was competent, they wouldn't have needed Selen to bail them out.

>>68606396
They wanted to let her to continue working under them as long as she followed the rules but she wanted to take them to court. You're being disingenuous and taking my words literally. A termination notice and a statement denying her claims is the only procedure here if you don't want settle things in court.

>I hope you're being paid well
I wish I was. I do it for free like a janny because I believe Selen is a menhera and her bullying/harassment claims are likely bullshit.

>>68606719
also backed down from pursuing a case with that dramafag

>>68601431
Impeccable reputation?? How many managers did she go through? How many shit spats did she have with staff? She had an impeccable reputation because "hahahaha i'm a silly brotuber"?

>>68606540
oof

Reminder people, in the business world making conections and having good will towards the ones you contract work with is very important, when push comes to shove you will have a good name and people will be on your side, when you don't your name will be in the mud

>>68606637
>Prove that statement. Oh wait you can't. So what I stated stands until disproven.
you are an anonymous poster on an anonymous shitposting forum. You have not validated or disclosed your identity to me or any third party here. Therefore you have no proof of your connection with Riku or Selen
As a member of the Jury I hereby dismiss this case under grounds of low quality argumentation
Case dismissed


>you don't know Riku or Selen
Prove that statement. Oh wait you can't. So what I stated stands until disproven.

>Anycolor's statement is by legal definition a witness statement and would be >admissable as evidence in a court of law
And?
>That's also why Companies tend to want to not just make anything up for their official >statements
And?
>so again, if it's not in a court of law. and it's not disputed, then it's just a statement from >an eligible witness
>With no evidence.
>It's your prerogative what you want to believe
>No it's not. It's just logic. If a statement has no evidence, then there's no reason to >believe in the veracity of said statement.
> therefore they stand as undisputed witness testimony until proven otherwise mkay?
I'm disputing them right now. Where's the evidence?

Nobody gives a shit about your opinion just because you're retarded and don't understand how anything works honey. The world does not require you to believe something for it to be true
case dismissed

>>68606846
amazing how the company cofounded by a literal e-whore is looking more professional than this shithole of a corp

>>68606898
>Prove that statement. Oh wait you can't. So what I stated stands until disproven.
You are a faggot. QED.

>>68606798
I think you are the only one to believe that not even the remaining NijiEN livers have anything bad to say to Selen after she got fired, Contrast that to Sayu in which numerous Livers already made statements about her after she got fired

>>68606798
>They wanted to let her to continue working under them as long as she followed the rules
And she didn't want to continue working with them until she felt fairly compensated.
> but she wanted to take them to court
Where was that ever claimed? Selen wanted them to pay for damages. They refused. Then she wanted to part amicably. They refused. Selen then threatened to go public. Then they terminated her.

It was Nijisanji being stubborn dickheads all the way down and then hoped they could get away scott-free.

> You're being disingenuous and taking my words literally.
No I'm literally just replying to things you say. If you can't properly explain yourself, that's your own retardation.

> A termination notice and a statement denying her claims is the only procedure here if you don't want settle things in court.
No it isn't?
Selen can still take them to court? Explain how the notice means that Selen can't take them to court?

>>68606540
this is some comic artist, possibly not even sanctioned corporate

Did Selen pay for her own rig?
Her own 3D model?
Her own sets?
Her own management?
Her own advertisement?
Her own official merchandise?

No?

>>68606898
Kek, I accept your concession.

>>68597626
What does the runes say?

>>68606959
>Where was that ever claimed? Selen wanted them to pay for damages
...............Where do you think this is settled? I'm not even going to read the rest of your post because it's probably just as dumb as what you said right now. I'm actually talking with a pigeon shitting on the chessboard.

>>68607019
>you can't prove anything If I don't believe that it's possible to prove something!!

see >>68607019

Selen is a known liver under Nijisanji
It is common knowledge she has been under Nijisanji management since her debut
Nijisanji made an official statement regarding their professional relationship with Selen
Selen has not disputed any of the claims made by Nijisanji

Court.
Dismissed.

>>68607091
>Where do you think this is settled?
Settlements happen out of court literally every single day.

>>68607014
>when the company hadn't paid me after months of waiting

>>68606798
Aaaand now you're back to the really weird argument that a termination notice and a public statement of denial provides any protection against getting dragged into court.
Like, I know you FEEL like it should, like you're calling dibs or some stupid shit, but it really, really doesn't. In fact it's a really bad idea if you DON'T want to get dragged to court, because it locks you into things you wrote in there while the other side can restructure their own argument to hit the weak points in your statement.
They did it to smear her, plain and simple. There is no legal advantage.

>>68607109
I know Riku, Selen and all AnyColor staff personally. Everything I said is correct.

This a statement that must be believed because nobody has disputed it.

>>68606951
nobody says that
you're the ones baselessly trying to discredit an official statement which is slander

Case closed

>>68606955
And of course this is the real problem. Surely if Selen was an evil psycho bitch as this retard >>68606798 is arguing, we'd be hearing tons of stories from people now about how she was an evil psycho bitch. Evil psycho bitches tend to leave lengthy trails of people they've hurt in the past.

But no one's said anything. In fact, the people who HAVE come forward to speak on her character have said things like "Nijisanji refused to pay me after I performed the requested services, so Selen stepped up to cover their bill even though she wasn't required to."

And none of these people defending the company have been able to explain the similarities between Selen's story and the stories other ex-Livers have told. Maybe they're all in it together; it's a conspiracy!

>>68606307
Enna go back to where you came from

>>68607178
you are not a reputable or reliable witness, like I already stated
you don't have enough braincells to even play at playing this game.

court dismissed.

>>68607263
I think you've dismissed court about seven times now, doesn't it get tiring?

>>68607263
>you are not a reputable or reliable witness, like I already stated
You have no proof of that statement.

I am stating I am reputable and reliable witness. Since this statement is not disputed, it must be believed.

>>68602487
If she made them so much money, what's your reasoning for why they fired her? Did they just start hating the profits?

>>68607321
>what's your reasoning for why they fired her?
Because she broke activity rules like they said.

>>68607297
>I am stating I am reputable and reliable witness. Since this statement is not disputed, it must be believed.
those are not the standards of evidence. case dismissed

why don't you pretend not to understand english while you're at it, that would probably help your argument as well the way you're going.
I think we saw this recently actually

>>68607117
It wouldn't in this case

>>68607173
Refer to: >>68605424
>In fact it's a really bad idea if you DON'T want to get dragged to court, because it locks you into things you wrote in there while the other side can restructure their own argument to hit the weak points in your statement.
This varies by country I believe. It's not a thing in mine.

>>68601930
Nobody in Nijisanji liked her, everyone pretended to tolerate her.

>>68607440
>those are not the standards of evidence

They are the standards of evidence.
Since this statement is not disputed, it must be believed.

>>68607450
>It wouldn't in this case
Why not? There's literally no reason why Nijisanji and Selen are legally required to go to court to exchange money.

>>68607516
Trying to kys is more serious so it requires a court case.

>>68607516
Niji has never willingly paid any checks

>>68607571
Why? What law says "if a person asks their company for money, if that person has attempted suicide, it has to go to court"?

>>68607321
In the way they act as of recently, Yes they do.

>>68607463
I'm confused, if I off someone, go on twitter and say I didn't, nobody refutes me in 24h, now I'm scot-free?

And by the way the topic of bulling is a funny one, niji managers uses slack for communication, talents use discord, niji could investigate the slack and say there was no proof of bulling, which is technically correct.

>>68607450
NTA but public statements like the one Niji put out are very, very strong pieces of evidence in court and a judge would need to see equally strong pieces of evidence to dismiss them. Hence why Niji should have shut their mouth and been a lot more tactful.

>>68607463
your opinion of the matter is of no consequence
just like your opinion of the debate is of no consequence
it all remains the same whether you like it or not as you are not related to the matters at hand

keep malding

>>68606681
There's no doubt they had "issues" with management, related to stuff such as permissions and other nuanced legal stuff that comes with being a Japanese company. But none of them behaved on a level as unprofessional as she did (I'll be neutral on Zaion)

>>68607756
>your opinion of the matter is of no consequence
My opinion is actually very important.
Since this statement is not disputed, it must be believed.

can you fags stop larping as lawyers and NDF, jesus christ youre being baited.

>>68607748
There is nothing there that substantiates her claims of being bullied or harassed.

>>68607792
that's not a statement it's an opinion
you're literally too dumb to even understand the difference

>>68605743
I know this is a joke but 200k is literally nothing for a company this size.

>>68607456
And yet she has a shit ton of friends everywhere else.
Almost like the problem is NijiEN's cliques and not Selen herself.

>>68607810
i'm more amused by the idea that a niji intern came here for free consulting

>>68607813
>There is nothing there that substantiates her claims of being bullied or harassed
And?
If Doki has receipts, which she claims she does and it actually does go to court. Nijisanji could be in deep shit if it is found out they were told about bullying and did not act on it.

>>68607832
>that's not a statement it's an opinion
It's not an opinion. It is a statement.

Since this statement is not disputed, it must be believed.

>>68597318
Nijien did confirmed she was bullied nijijp cuck. Seethe

>>68606079
If she would have stayed as Dokibird and not joined Niji, she'd be a literal who right now.
I would have nothing but respect for her if she went the graceful Pomu route. But what she did was basically the same as opening the cabin door midflight and jumping out with a parachute. HAHA I'm free, sucks if you're still on the plane HAHA

>>68607919
I really doubt it's anything concrete and not just her BPD delusions.

>>68608060
I'm sure. That's why ex Nijisanji livers speak nothing but wonders about Nijisanji.

>>68607813
>I believe you Riku! There's no reason to believe there is any problems in niji. The graduations are just a distraction

Thank you for sucking Riku dick anon. He may have lost an entire EN branch but I'm sure he feels much better now

>>68608060
I would believe Doki over random anon any day lol
Because she has a thing called reputation

>>68599731
We accept your concession, sister.
You are as disgusting as your abusive oshi kurosanji the black company.

>>68608150
There has only been one real case of bullying (in the KR branch) that did go to court, but they fired the bully (without a termination notice) and dissolved the branch.

>>68608226
Based, anon btfo

>>68607813
That's not actually true, though. If she had made up the bullying they would simply write something like 'ANYCOLOR believes that the claims raised by Selen Tatsuki have no basis in fact.' Instead, they had no choice but to admit the stuff she talked about happened.
In fact, the wording is incredibly fucking suspicious. Situations that 'arose'? 'Attempts to shift the responsibility'? This sounds awfully like the justifications of an abuser. They couldn't have written a worse statement if they tried.

>>68608247
Let's pray that Niji, for their sake, nuts up and just pays her otherwise they are more than likely more screwed than they already are.

>>68607777
>none of them behaved on a level as unprofessional as she did
>(I'll be neutral on Zaion)

How many levels of bad faith and confirmation bias are you on, you disingenuous plague rat? The livers? Unprofessional? Are you fucking kidding me? You make Nijisanji sound as innocent as Hololive. Maybe try talking without Riku's 14 centimetre penis in your mouth.

>>68608150
It's funny because those who don't say anything, won't get considered.

>>68607813
https://twitter.com/Tsukinichiiii/status/1755416344886161652

>*SIGH*

>>68602406
>made you rich and famous
Wow, kurosanji has this power? Why don't they hire more blacks?

>>68607777
REAAAALLY?

A very fuck you to all nijiniggers, on this fine day.

>>68607619
>>68607571
I'm going to assume this anon realised they got cornered and I'll take the concession they had no fucking idea what they were on about.

There was no reason that Niji needed to make a public statement to avoid court.

Man you guys really do treat the internet as a skinner box, especially OP. You found the dopamine you stupid faggot? Lol

>>68608060
Her lawyer seems to think otherwise. But what does he know, he isn't a /vt/ grudgeposter using "muh gut" as evidence against the character of someone he has never met in person.

>>68608463
That's him being a faggot and guilt tripping but I wouldn't really classify that as bullying.

>>68602941
To be fair, some of BPD sufferers internalize the symptoms and end up self-sabotaging and self-blaming constantly and repeatedly isolating themselves instead of hurting those around them. Selen could maybe fit more into that group because she hasn't really been known to be manipulative yet.

>>68606388
Any of Zaion's popularity nowadays is still owed to Niji, but in an anti sense, not on her own merits. She is only "popular" because of her notoriety and association with Niji, which by the way, she couldn't move on from.

>>68608670
She used her ACK attempt as manipulation.

>>68608026
If nijisanji actually supported their talents, they wouldn't be in this shitshow right now.

Watching nijifags mercilessly defend their company and throw every talent who leaves under the bus is almost as sad to watch as it's funny. It's kinda like people who still relentlessly defend Rushia/Mikeneko/Nazuna to this day- the only people who are left are either people in massive amounts of denial trying to hang on to whatever shred of their oshi is left or people who are genuinely fucked in the head. Ennaposts feel a little bit more fucked up knowing there are genuinely people who agree with every word that comes out of her mouth.

>>68597318
Poor selen

>>68608936
But it's Selen who is throwing everyone under the bus here.

>>68608978
Well last I saw, Selen put out a statement not to harass people. Pity Anycolor didn't do the same for Zaion.

>>68608489
Shu going "Covid, huh, that's what they went with?" live on stream lives rent free in my head

>>68605444
I'm siding with my oshis in NijiEN. I'm not abandoning them for one borderline personality streamer who's biggest gimmick is HAHA every 30 seconds.
And I'm not still watching them just from blind loyalty. I could turn on a stream and be entertained, I enjoy watching them, especially the collabs.

Who the fuck is she gonna collab with? A bunch of rando indie streamers?

I'm not sure if Hololive would be authorized for collabs.... if Niji blocked it, wouldn't it jeopardize the HoloJP-NijiJP relationship? I honestly don't know on that point.

>>68608978
She's doing literally nothing though except distancing herself from the whole mess?

She can't name names, she can't go and lie "te-he nothing happened, niji happy family". Just leave her alone.

>>68608885
>suicidebaiting to take down the worst company to happen to Vtubing since WACTOR
Based

>>68608978
Selen wasn't the one who put out a statement that said she was being harassed by other talents. That was Niji. Selen only claimed harassment came from within.

If I was any of the vtubers there, I'd be fucking pissed and yelling at my manager for just implicating me in bullying someone into suicide.

>>68609094
No one asked luxnoc whore

>>68609094
If I was fucking your oshi and beating them on the regular you will send me your money too you little bitch

>>68608201
Get off the twitter echo chamber and watch an EN stream. Have we abandoned them? Have the supas dried up? If EN dies, it won't be for lack of revenue.

>>68609094
>if Niji blocked it,
How would Niji block anything between Holo and Doki? They're an irrelevant 3rd party.

>>68609460
>we
Who are you talking to? You're alone in here.

>>68609121
It doesn't matter what course of action she took. Because she would still be in the wrong mo matter what because she blew the lid off of the absolute horror show they continue to venerate.

>>68609121
>She can't name names
And that's even worse because she's letting the 'bully' get away scot-free and making everyone suspicious over who it is or not.

>>68608978
>clearly this woman will forsake her job prospects, her fanbase, and her friends, nearly kill herself and get herself put in a hospital, hire Saul Goodman to write a slam dunk legal case to defame her old company, convince every single person she's ever worked with to say that she was a good client and that her employer was bad, and corroborate the experiences of every prior graduated/terminated talent instead of the far more likely outcome, which is that my beloved multi-million dollar corporation did a bad thing
If Anycolor never existed you'd be a fucking Disney adult

>>68609460
For all I care niji is dead. They can play pretend and drag that corpse, but I won't be able to draw out an ounce of fun from watching that farce.

>>68607748
A lawyer wrote that statement, unless you are randomly assuming their lawyer was incompetent for no reason, it think its safe to assume they have SOME kind of evidence for all their claims.

We're just losers speculating about this, none of us know if Niji has the evidence they need or Selen has some smoking gun.

This is just random speculation but maybe Selen did an audio recording of a manager screaming at her or something. If that came up, I'd swallow my words. BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

>>68609810
Your legal expertise on the matter (none) is duly noted.

>>68609810
that was on niji for implying that in the first place

>>68608670
that puts the behavior of a friend into context, thanks anon
do you happen to know if there’s anything the people around someone experiencing that can do for them, or of it just something both sides have to wait out?

>>68609870
>A lawyer wrote that statemen
If they did, they need to be fired. I really don't think it was done by a lawyer. I think the template was done by a lawyer and some retard filled in the details are bit too much.
>unless you are randomly assuming their lawyer was incompetent for no reason
They lost a court case against a drama channel. They are incompetent.
>it think its safe to assume they have SOME kind of evidence for all their claims
Probably. But it'd be more helpful if they didn't lie in their own statement about Selen having access to her twitter account and about whether or not they privated the video. That's why I think it wasn't done by a lawyer.

>We're just losers speculating about this, none of us know if Niji has the evidence they need or Selen has some smoking gun.
Of course we are. But we can all guess on what is most likely based on the evidence of the current case and the previous history of Selen and Niji.

>>68609902
She only needs to say something like "oh it was a bird, oh it was a cat" (just an example because people are treating Enna and Millie as the main suspects).

>>68609810
Selen never implicated the other talents. That was Niji.

>>68608936
Every talent? Just Selen.
Nina, Mysta, Pomu all left gracefully.
Yugo was sad but is just staying in his lane.
I'm not even gonna mention *redacted*

>>68610118
Doki isn't going to say jack shit because anything that isn't pre-approved by her lawyer, puts her legal case in jeopardy.

>>68609818
Your greentext is ironic, but its actually sounds closer to the truth to me.

>>68609870
>>68608310
Like this points out, things did happen. Or they wouldn't be trying to say 'yeah but she caused it' instead of just denying it flat out.
The other stickling point is Anycolor claiming they believe they didn't 'behave unjustly'. Not that they never mistreated her, or behaved badly towards her. 'Unjustly'. 'In a way that is not deserved.'
If anything the closer you examine it, the more the statement looks like it is written to lighten a possible verdict rather than to exonerate themselves. "Okay, we did it, your honor, but we genuinely thought we were doing good!"

>>68609870
You don't have to believe that I'm an attorney but I am and any lawyer who wrote that needs to be fired.

>>68610118
I'm legitimately scared of her having an episode and doing something like this. She could point the finger and open Pandora's box in spite of the legal ramifications. And that "finger point" could just be whatever her perception considers as a slight against her.

>>68609939
Sorry I'm no expert but probably the most you can do is provide reassurance whenever they come out of their shell. It's a very long process to get diagnosis and treatment and like most mental illness isn't going to get better unless the person actively wants to help themselves.
Remind them that they are loved when you can, that it's unconditional, and that their absence isn't making you forget them or making you resent them. That they don't have to achieve something or provide something or do something to "earn" your love.

>>68610475
I see your point on it just being a method to lighten the verdict.
But where is the line for lecturing/admonishing/correcting a misbehaving employee and outright harrassment?
Here's something I'm thinking about. Did Selen have some evidence and present it to a lawyer, and the lawyer said "we have a strong case"? Or did Selen present evidence and the lawyer said "we have an uphill, tough case to prove?" Man, so many unanswered questions!

>>68610379
If she did all of that, I'd simp for her even harder

>>68610909
>>68608670
Fuck anon I think you just made me realise I have BPD because you're describing me with terrifying accuracy

as much as I hate niji this isn't really a zaion situation. The termination was justified if even half of what was claimed is true.
They shoulda just parted mutually though, idk what the fuck niji was thinking

>>68610656
You're gonna have to try better than that

>>68611029
The termination was justified. If she really didn't follow the 'Activity Rules' well yeah, sucks but they are forced to. Just like with Mel, a shitty situation all around that nobody wanted but it just had to happen because someone fucked up on accident. But people are mostly angry about how Niji went about it.

>>68606790
Honestly, I don't know why they insisted that it HAD to be Selen to clarify. But then again, we had management attempt to clarify with the document and it went nuclear.

>>68611002
Are you a chuuba? There is a correlation with that too. i'm actually describing a chuuba i follow[/spoiler[

>>68611129
Yes...

>>68600846
"If I can't understand it, it doesn't exist"
Nice reasoning, brainlet

>>68608489
A tweet venting about frustration vs "go ahead and upload the cover dragoons HAHA". No, that's incomparable.

I keep seeing people arguing that she is a BPD and i still can't see a single proof in text or in video as they are streamers so even more chances for slip ups:
1. From her entire video live career which is gone thanks niji;
2. From her old co-workers they are taking time off grim;
3. From the ones that left the company and are actively working in the same field;
4. From twitter main accounts.

In the year of 2023 because current 2024 year can be seen invalid by both sides on arguments as they are currently in an adversarial relationship. Also logical deduction is not a proof, only substantiate a theory.

>>68611169
welp...

Please reach out and look for an assessment, anon. Whether it's BPD or some other thing, the first step is the most important. In some places there can be free or cheap resources if your financial status isn't good.

>>68610943
From her lawyer prepared statement:
>And I was not referencing something that happened once that pushed me to it, but it was a buildup that stemmed for multiple months that led to my breaking point. I would never make this claim without proof or confirmation, and only did so after my lawyer looked through the proof and believed and agreed it was happening over multiple months.

>>68611029
>>68611120
Bro.. I just got done reading a word salad doc documenting what niji considers "breaches in activity rules" and this shit is fucked. Its literally just keeping a paper trail of any minor misstep that would not even be considered a mistake in a real company, just to be able to have the legal high ground.
And the activity rules garbage also makes no sense. From what I'm seeing going trough the whole niji mess, most of it stems from management being insufferably horrid at their job. Not being able to communicate with talents, tell them the information in time or god forbid take the 30 minutes to have the talent explain what they have planned as an activity, and go over it how to make it compliant.

>>68611285
Her PL used to have "living with BPD" right on her xwitter profile. There's old screenshots around

>>68611285
Proof right here. She had "Livin w/ BPD" in her old twitter profile description because mental illnesses earn you brownie points there: >>68601105

>>68608670
Sounds more like a misdiagnosis. BPD is tossed around like candy to any woman with CPTSD symptoms.

>>68611484
>>68611546
We all know that twitter bios have as much value as a dog turd on the sidewalk. She's probably one of those "self-diagnosed" morons after she read some clickbait article and a wikipedia page.

>>68611692
Well. sometimes it's both, or more. Especially if the person had to survive multiple traumas

>>68611029
>as much as I hate niji
>this isn't really a zaion situation
>The termination was justified

This is but a marginal improvement over >>68610656

Did I take stupid pills or something? Why is NDF under the impression that Sayu wasn't a consequence of her own and Selen was. Does not everyone outside the radius of the Nijisanji Orb of Confusion think it is the other way around?

>>68611819
Getting a diagnosis takes effort, what do you expect from the likes of her

>>68608670
>>68611692
She also suffered from typical asian parenting on top of it

>>68604483
that's /new/ that's /pol/

>>68611934
I dunno Anon, she certainly made a concerted effort to not shit her legal briefs like Nijisanji did. I don't think she has a therapist for a self-diagnosis. But in either case, this just becomes a circular argument of "she is unreliable because of her diagnosis" vs "she is unreliable because her diagnosis is suspect."