/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68424499
Buy an ad Selen mods.

desu she could be lying about literally everything and i wouldn't care. her model is pure sex and i'm fucking furious it's gone.

>>68424499
The ndf when is time to lick riku asshole.

The slanderers should be her fan name since she basically let them harass the livers while crying crocodile tears and breaking NDA while being a manipulative sewerslider

>>68424499
>women
>not appealing to emotions to fuck over former friends over slights
It takes two to tango. That means they both share the blame. But at the end of the day, it's on NijiEN for being a poorly run cronyism-enabling piece of shit branch.

You don’t have to be able to take it to dish it out if you’re dishing out to others who can take it. It doesn’t have to go both ways.

>>68424499
>Nijisanji trying to run damage control after their reputation has already been destroyed
Fucking kek

Aloucucks out on full force i see

>>68425632
It does because dishing it out is socially understood as being okay to be in the receiving end too. If you can't take it then don't start it's in the first place.
You're given have two find some masochistic friends if you don't want it to work that way

>>68425815
Some of the posts are ESL so I wonder if some of them are unironic bootlicking japs posting here.

>>68425308
Shut the fuck up, Enna

>>68424499
Getting your ass kicked during SEA hours. Niji Defence Force & Numbers are shaking right now. Such is the life of a mob of pussies.

>>68424561
Doki is better.

>>68425308
We already established Black company fits from now on. Stakeholders are leaving droves, management chopped to bits, livers leaving next.

>>68425308
obvious Millie post is obvious

No but really. Do you really believe that Selen was a cute little angel that never shat on anyone behind the scenes? Even on streams she would happily do that. And you could also see it on streams that she can't take what she dishes out.

>>68426298
Take meds

>>68426181
nah i like tails, dude.

>>68424499
Enna typed this.

>>68426298
It’s called a banter. What Enna does is being a bitch. A total queen bee of a bitch! EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT UNTIL SHE SHOWED UP! FUCK YOU ENNA!!!!! AND YOUR CLIQUE!

>>68426762
Yup it is me. I totally did this. Are you gonna cry about it? What are you going to do about it? That is right you are going to do nothing about it, cause you are just a sad little bitch.

>>68426889
You’re a fucking nigger.

>>68425566
/thread
it's equally delusional & naïve to think any liver is a pure saint or the fucking devil. it's almost like they're young, sheltered, socially-incompetent people who are morally immature, like we've all been at some point, but we didn't have an audience of thousands. there's probably a lot of bitch drama behind the scenes that may make it to court, after all even if Niji is total fucking shit (which they are), to attempt suicide over a fucking work incident is insane, like clinically insane levels of affective instability. even if one's on the receiving end of workplace harassment (which fucking sucks, make no mistake), it's a song we're talking about vs. one own's life, jesus christ. i wish the best to all livers but you're not wrong, probably no one is truly blameless in all this (except Rosemi, and i'll fucking behead anyone who claims otherwise and then piss down your throat)

>>68424499
I wouldn't even care if it came out tomorrow that it was all made up. I just hate nijisanji

>>68427008
Just some impotent small-dicked rage. Sasuga anon. Just don't jerk yourself off to this humilation.

>>68424561

>>68424499
gonna be funny if it turns out the harassment that is claimed was her feeling left out because she chose to isolate herself of her own accord

>>68427847
I would drop her if she said this…

>>68426298

>>68424499
She roleplays as a bully but is actually very sensitive and always tries to help others.
Remember that she got devastated one time when an “apex friend” called her a boosted bitch after a discussion.

>>68427847
I would prefer if it was her being her toxic haha dragon self on stream, to the point the other girl in collab was uncomfortable, but the other girl didn't do anything cause she didn't want to make it awkward for the viewers. Then they both stop streaming and Selen thinks it is all fine but gets told to fuck off for being a toxic bitch.

>>68427991
>She roleplays as a bully but is actually very sensitive and always tries to help others.
She is literally me! Guess what? I have 0 friends.

>>68428254
I'll be your fren, enna.

>>68425815
>damage control
you mean doubling down. the retards posted that negligible loses shit. bigger talents have left and they never do that.

>>68424499
>I support bullying people into suicide even though I have no idea what pushed these people into suicide and the severity of those factors
Yeah fuck off Enna. Total psychopath.

>>68425308
>>68426889
>>68427354

>>68427963
big if true

>>68427963
women, right?

>>68427963
>loses apex kill race with other girls
>elira just chuckles at her a bit the whole time
I kinda understand why she wanted to kill herself. I would also want to kill myself if that smug bitch Elira would laugh at me like that.

>>68426084
>someone on /vt/ disagrees with me
>must be ESL
Your brain on purple dragon cock cum

>>68424499
DO NOT REDEEM!

>>68424499
Fuck off Millie/Enna.

>>68431843
>It's from 4chan therefore it's fake
Always makes me smirk, like if it was from Reddit, Discord or Twitter it would be legit?

selen was menhara (9/10 girls have varying levels in this industry)
management was useless because it was ran by some clueless probably never there musician who let the jealous, no talent pajeet niji ins and maybe 1-2 other no skill nip interns do the work
I get niji defenders don’t have the intelligence to see who’s worse but even without the speculation above, all the circumstantial evidence points out a lot of shit can be avoided if the current management staff was just a head shorter and new, competent folks took over

>>68435251
Everything falls apart the moment everyone outside of Nijisanji talks about how easy it was to work with Selen and how hard it was to work with Nijisanji. The girl in question pays you from their own pocket when she doesn't even need to and is super nice to you and the company cannot even write a document correctly and doesn't even pay you.
That's the most clear and neutral conclusion that you can get out of any drama. There is no much room for discussion whatsoever.

>>68435251
They don't even know about large game companies reaching out publicly to Selen directly offering, offering!, perms because Niji management was so useless at their ONE JOB

dumbfuck company can't retain it's image by keeping it's investments stable, doesn't matter what it is and counternarrative is pointless. public investments too, it's not as if they can hide their portfolio? your rocket blew up and it blew up on TV.

>>68425632
Shut up enviosity

>>68435683
>tells everyone she tired to kill herself
>angry mob is now running around with pitchforks
Best time to say that Selen is anything but great. Yep.

>>68435221
It's primarily because Reddit fags rely on going through people's post history to determine if they're trustworthy (read: do they generally agree with my opinions). Decoding whether or someone is being truthful here requires you to evaluate each post on its own merits rather than witchhunting an individual for wrongthink done 2 years ago

>>68436319
>Selen being truthful and transparent as soon as she can about her condition and the reasons for it
>this is a bad thing

?
Remember, it was Nijisanji in their own statement that implicated the other talents in the bullying. Doki only stated it came from within the company.

>>68424499
>people who listen and believe are sheep
Watamelons.

>>68436319
In a moment of orgasmic irony, after accusing Selen of making misleading statements they then revealed for the first time ever that she was "being harassed by other livers due to mismanagement"

>>68427963
Women are bad at video games, what else is new? That doesn't excuse the bullying.

>>68427963
Can confirm this, also
>NijiEN have two discord servers
>One for the official stuff, the other one is a private server for the livers
>Selen was part of the two servers
>After Luxiem got popular, she got mad at everyone because she wasn't as popular as luxiem
>Abandon the private server
>Pomu tries to tell her to get over it and join again after a while
>She refuses
>Most hang outs and off-collabs are organized on the private server
>Selen doesn't get invited to most of those things because they can't reach to her
>Selen end up being alienated from NijiEN

>>68437427
Imagine making shit up to stir drama or creating imaginary scenarios in ur head

Quite based, schizos will eat this up

I'm a newfag tourist who heard about this somewhere else
So this chick tried to off herself, or just said she wanted to?
If so, why?

>>68437688
Company management refused to do their job so she could stream game and complete projects for over a year, privated a 15k out of pocket MV the day it released on christmas, then terminated her when she blew up because for over a year the only time management showed up was to fuck her in the ass. Then management locked her out of her socials and skinwalked on her twitter while pressuring her to lie about the incident. Then in the termination management stated she has been terminated for saying management privated the MV. Management lied saying selen didn't pay artists when it was Niji that didn't pay in addition to Selen getting yelled at by management when she payed the artist out of pocket because Niji didn't pay them for months. Niji revealed Selen was being bullied by other livers but didn't do anything about it which violated canadian law. Management threw a bitchfit at Selen for paying contest rewards out of pocket. Management threw a bitchfit and tournament ban at Selen when it was management that didn't do their job with perms. Then Management spent a month and a half abusing the no side jobs clause to starve her for a month and a half of stealth suspension then fired her without notice.

Basically they blamed her for everything they did to her while she was prevented from addressing any of it.

>>68437688
>Sign up for corp
>Corpo is run by a bunch of incompetent, self-serving, lazy, vindictive retards
>You power through this regardless and do everything yourself
>You organise and fund events, art, MVs, collabs, etc. Everything that management is actually supposed to do
>What management actual does is just act as beaurecratic power tripping gatekeepers
>Selen is constantly knocked back, fucked over and just generally treated very poorly by management for very little in return
>In August 2022 receive permissions to cover a song
>For 1.5 years you work on this going through the entire process, sinking $15K of your own money into it
>management literally does absolutely fucking nothing the entire time
>is supposed to release Christmas Day for her fans
>Management comes out last minute and says she's not allowed to post it becasue she doesn't have perms
>She does have perms and this is bullshit
>Tells management to suck a fat one and posts it anyway
>Management privates the video, Selen then tells her fans to reupload the video because she worked so hard on it and it deserves to be seen
>Gets stealth suspended
>Attempts suicide
>Tries to negotiate leaving the company amicably
>Company wants to punish her before she leaves
>She tells them to again, suck a fat one
>Company releases one of the single most unprofessional, childish, malicious and idiotic statements of them firing Selen. Accepting no responsibility, blaming her for everything, actually lying about privating the video and also, hilariously implicating their other talents in bullying accusations
>Selen confirms she did try to kill herself and it was because of bullying by the company
>Entire Western vtubing sphere rallies behind her
>Nijisanji in complete freefall

And now we're here.

>>68438206
if true, pretty screwed up

>>68436556
Her twitter activity paints a conflicting story. Her suicide tweet was a cynical snub at best intentions, a calculated move at worst intentions.

>>68438470
It's also why there's coincidentally job opening for an EN manager

>>68438579
>Her suicide tweet was a cynical snub at best intentions, a calculated move at worst intentions

Or she actually tried to kill herself and was being truthful?

>>68438450
You forgot the other parts like where she was starting up activities with Dokibird and opened merch again on the 23rd of December. I guess that information complicates your story too much for your liking.

>>68438579
Great family btw
https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1739518726758940757
https://twitter.com/ReimuEndou/status/1754946895951077887
https://twitter.com/dreamydesu/status/1754536452845887582

>>68438652
Or both could be true at the same time? A fake suicide attempt is still a suicide attempt, people have died unintentionally by them. Nobody is seriously arguing about that. Either way being cynical about it and using it as ammunition is survivors luck it seems.

>>68438752
Do you pay your rent, bills, and buy food with only wide smiles?

Why can't we just get along and join our forces? Burn down NijiEN for being a hellhole and then cancel Selen for being a cynical manipulative menhera. Everyone would be happy and that would be the true 4chan ending.

>>68438928
I know people that screw over their former employers when they get another offer too. That's all part of the game, fine. But I hope you're not asking me to pretend and go along with the story that she's all innocent in this and was not driving it.

>>68439113
That's what I've been saying. Rotten to the core, burn it all down.

>>68438752
>I guess that information complicates your story too much for your liking.

Why would it? She was clearly on the way out with Pomu, but she had a mental snap.

>>68438868
>A fake suicide attempt is still a suicide attempt, people have died unintentionally by them.

I believe she did try to kill herself, maybe half-heartedly but she certainly probably didn't want to wake up but let's pretend she faked a suicide attempt. Just called an ambulance saying she wanted to kill herself and got hospitalised for a few days. The fact she felt that the only way she could be heard was by a suicide attempt still does not bode well at all for any of the events that transpired before or after.

>>68439310
That's kind of significant, don't you think? If that was all going down a month or more leading up to the video breach of contract and management were aware things were going on behind their back.

>>68439132
She doesn't have another offer though? They just strangled her for nearly 2 years cause they have a micropenis.

>>68439452
>That's kind of significant, don't you think?
No, not really. You keep implying it is without explaining why.
> If that was all going down a month or more leading up to the video breach of contract
Doki was active on the 23rd, the MV was released on Christmas, the 25th. That's not anywhere close to a month.
>management were aware things were going on behind their back.
And...? I still can't figure out what you're actually trying to say. You keep implying things without actually stating anything.

>>68439449
I mean real fake is all kind of an arbitrary distinction. I've had a suicide attempt and I'm still here. I've had friends that accidentally an hero to get their parents not to divorce and they're not here. Then again suicide doesn't justify everything except selectively on twitter and 4chan when people want it to. Blaming her employer when it seems she was already causing trouble way before is definitely cynical and calculated.

>>68439472
Her other offer is ebegging which she's ramped up over the last 2 months.

Does the JP management side know about any of these issues?
Did they give the go-ahead for all the things that the EN management allegedly did to her?

>>68439683
>when it seems she was already causing trouble way before is definitely cynical and calculated.
Prove this statement with any evidence. The only trouble she ever caused management was trying to make them do their fucking jobs.

>>68439750
Do you pay your rent, bills, and buy food with only wide smiles?
Everything that happened happened after they've been kicking the shit out of Selen for nearly 2 years. It hasn't been impulsive it's been a consistent and deliberate pattern of calculated neglect and abuse the entire way relying on know-nothings that have never watched her and only took that termination notice at face value.

>>68439601
Active before that. Throne was already approved and open to go on the 16th. Unless you assume that she only started on the 15th it's fair to assume it's been in the works. Comm sheet ready a few days after her discharge from hospital, quick or maybe prepared. Not all the details are there but it's a connect the dots game.

>>68439939
She was already locked out of socials and management skinwalked on her twitter.

>>68439940
If you keep replying with the same things it doesn't change what has been posted.
>kicking the shit out of Selen for nearly 2 years
Can't expect people to respond in detail if you can't substantiate these claims.

>>68427963
>see guys? she gets frustrated easily when playing games! that means blocking all her projects and slacking on getting the perms she needed from us which she ended up getting herself and subjecting her to continuous bullying and driving her to attempt suicide and firing her without letting her know and deleting her entire channel before announcing her termination is justified and deserved!
niji intern why don't you swallow a bullet and die in a fire already?

>>68428254
I’d be your friend but I don’t reply to messages very often.

>>68440007
Which only proves that she's been planning this for longer. Justified or not she's not innocent. She's been working against management, even if you think management has been working against her.

"dish it out" you mean play up being a "toxic gamer" in a corporate-safe way? teasing trash talk with people she's friends with?

>>68439939
>Unless you assume that she only started on the 15th
That's the only thing you can assume. It's not like setting up a throne is hard work.

I still don't understand what you're trying to get at or how it makes anything I said less truthful.
Selen had already planned to leave, probably alongside Pomu. This was probably a massive relief to her because of the bullying she had experienced by management. Her last and final project meant as a sweet gesture to her fans was meant to be going up on Christmas. Management gives her one last final kick in the teeth and she completely snaps.
What about this series of events is wrong, untruthful or paints Selen's side of the story as cynical?

>>68438752
>You forgot the other part that changes absolutely nothing
You sure got him good NDF

>>68440252
And yet people have a pass to assume other things about what management did to her. they're all horrendous people, but that doesn't make her innocent and caught off guard. Apply the same standards equally.

Selen represents everything that's wrong and rotten with NijiEn. That she's been kicked out doesn't change that one bit.

>>68437037
Don't you get it? Selen has tied her self worth to being good at video games, for her to be 'bad' at games or 'not better' then her opponents means she's not good. Does that sound like an emotional strong person?

>>68440478
Selen is the maximum receiver of all the vile shit NijiEN does. It won't change anything because the managers are still there.

>>68440063
Retarded faggot.

>>68440172
Against? She was helping them as much as she could to the extent that she would often do most of the legwork for perms because if she didn't it'd never get done so all management had to do was answer emails and receive faxes yet even that was too hard. Management was so bad that even large game companies were reaching out to her directly just so she could get perms in time to stream with the game's release, not ten months later.
How is paying the artist out of her own pocket when Niji wouldn't pay them working against them?
How is paying contest winners out of her own pocket working against them?
How is management fucking up perms for the tournament working against them?
How is management fumbling over a year of communication as perm after perm comes in for the MV working against them?

>>68440376
>And yet people have a pass to assume other things about what management did to her
Management literally has a history, verified by people like Zaion, Mysta and Nina of being pieces of shit. Why would I not assume that the company that has previously acted like a piece of shit, is not acting like a piece of shit in this case in which they did also act like pieces of shit via their own fucking statement?
>but that doesn't make her innocent and caught off guard
You keep implying shit without stating anything, again, for the fucking millionth time, say what you fucking mean. Okay, you think Selen isn't innocent. Not innocent of what exactly you fucking mong?

The evidence against Nijisanji is
>Ex employees speaking out about them
>Current employees speaking out about them
>Other people close to ex and current employees speaking out about them
>Nijisanji themselves acting like villains by lying and throwing their own employees under the bus

The evidence against Selen is
>...
>?

>>68440544
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>>68440615
Fuck off Doki mods.

>>68440671
Sorry riku, the stock prices aren't going back up

>>68424499
She was always bad for the company, we will be stronger with new management. This is not a big deal.

The amount of damage control for Selen/Dokibird in this thread is ludicrous even for 4chan.

>>68440671
If you did nothing wrong you have nothing to fear Enna. It's okay, when niji said Selen was being bullied by talents in a court admissible document they weren't talking about you.

>>68440671
Losing your cool already niji intern? You guys have the shittiest PR strategy I've ever seen.

>>68440908
You'll never get a yacht ride

>>68440908
stock prices still aren't increasing, try harder?

>>68440908
>wtf stop cheering for the girl that has been getting fucked in the ass by our incompetence for years! support us! support US!
how's the yatch doing?

>>68440908
Take out a loan so you can buy more stock as it continues to plunge from Nijisanji's mismanagement and Kyo's graduation. You can flip it in a couple months for a good return.

>>68425620
"declared" suicide attempt?
wasn't it confirmed by niji itself that she was hospitalized
Quite a retarded take to say she is lying for simpathy points when she really had to go to the hospital

>>68424499
her kayfabe is a 'toxic' gamer, so her shittalking is just lighthearted jabs or banter
the Clique WHORES are full bullies

>>68427963
So, bullying where? She just gets gamer rage and you think that's a bad thing? No one eventually attempts their life over a fucking video game.

>>68441188
Yes and she posted her hospital wristband

>>68441429
What about spending 3k on a birthday concert then 15k on an MV only to get backstabbed the day of then suspended to starve until she cucked?

>>68441277
Depends on who she's with, I've seen her 'toxic' gamer persona swing between obvious bantz and jokes to 'I would understand why the other party could get upset.'

>>68424561
Meh

>>68440495
Selen is good for a woman/vtuber, doesn't mean she's as good as the professionals.

>>68441277
She joined a toxic corpo because she's toxic, the kayfabe is just coincidentally also faux-toxic.

>>68441188
Yes and she herself also posted proof. Also she lost access to her phone and there are very few situations where a hospital would remove access to things like your phone, the main one being a mental health crisis.

>>68441633
NTA but not sure what you mean. Women have been good at FPS forever and female sniper was a meme since the 90s/00s.

>>68440908
Your stock is still nosediving, you need to shill harder.

>>68441525
Hou missed the context but bring up the more important point. All of the stress where she was tild she was worth nothing comes from Management. Her behaviour in a competitive game cant reflect her overall attitude just shows that at high stress levels she cracks. Guess who in management recognised that character flaw and pressed her.

>>68441633
I am that anon and I'm not sure what you mean either, I never mentioned anything about professionals.

>>68440725
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>>68441831
Samefags, get new material if you don't want it to be so obvious.

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>>68442027
Pray it doesn't go to court Enna. Niji doesn't stand a chance of avoiding getting thrown out of cucknada.

>>68424499
>there is no bullying
>okay there was bullying, but Selen was doing it too

>>68442300
>Selen tries to keep it on the down low
>Management puts the gun barrel directly in the livers mouth
The irony

>>68436443
Gee, I wonder what opinions you hold that get you singled out as an idiot like that.

>>68436443
It's true, the first time I had an argument on X, the first thing they did was complain that my account was new.

>>68436443
>>68442454
What if it's not agreeing but they want to see if you're capable of having honest evidence-driven discussion in good faith even if the two of you disagree instead of being some trolling account?

>>68441020
>stop cheering for the girl that has been getting fucked in the ass
Fuck whores. I want my vtuber to be a virgin.

>>68442604
That attitude is very weak, winning arguments against trolls is very easy.

>>68441813
>>68441891
Selen is in the top 20 best female Apex players. Sorry but women are never going to be as good as men, she's doing as good as she can be.

>>68442748
What if they just want to have honest discussions instead of tard wrangling a basket case for five hours?

>>68442604
Why would my past post history determine if what I'm saying currently is truthful or not? That should be self-evident by whatever I'm saying.

>>68426703
Lets pray Doki is already in negotiations with her mama for a 2.0 model
her mama has already worked with indie and microcorpos so is not impossible for a kamemasisogo Doki model

>>68442878
It doesn't. It shows if you consistently engage in honest evidence-driven discussion in good faith. They're checking cause you said fucktarded shit so they want to know if they're about to waste their time on a subhuman abortion or not.

>>68431431
>ESLs don't even know what ESL means
still can't believe how this board was thrown to the (in)dogs

>>68442756
The topic was going one way and you just veered off into a completely different direction.

>>68443052
If I said fucktarded shit, then why even bother? You don't to check my post history to decide if I'm worth talking to at that point The only reason to go and check someone's post history is if you want to witchunt them for wrongthink because you want to disagree with them because it will make you feel good because you get updoots but you don't want to actually intellectually engage.

>>68443319
Because maybe you genuinely didn't know and made a mistake instead of being a malicious abortion?

>>68443319
There are numerous, well-established tactics such as concern trolling, where you pose as a well-meaning person but actually just waste everyone's time. One time I argued with someone on twitter, clicked their account, and what do you know, their literal last post in another thread was "i love raping libtards on twitter by pretending i agree with them", verbatim

>>68443436
I think you care way too much about what retards on the internet say

>>68443319
WITCHHUNT WRONGTHINK APPEAL TO AUTHORITY LOGICAL FALLACY POISONING THE WELL

I wonder what opinions you hold and constantly publically express that make people react to you in this way.

>>68427963
That kill race was fucking funny and sad at the same time. I can forgive her for going menhera during tournaments but holy fuck she was playing against casuals in a casual setting

>>68442756
Top Quake deathmatch player was a woman for a while. Stay sexist, can't help you about your mid oshi though.

>>68443631
You spend too much time caring about opinions of people on the internet then

>>68443711
I literally don't post on reddit. I just read shit.

>>68442423
He holds wrong opinions, clearly. I suppose that does invalidate his entire argument that reddit bases a posts validity purely on the ethos of the poster. Thanks!

>>68424499
Mel was terminated after she was stalked by the company's management and the conclusion was "She was just too dumb to be in a corporation". I can't see how this can't apply here as well. Just imagine stalking/rape accusations emerging in NijiEN, it would've wiped out the branch in a matter of a moment. No, they both had their women moments and both got dumped. Naturally Anycolor handled it in the worst way possible but I'm not going to believe a woman, much less a woman backed by a corporate statement issued by people NOBODY believed up until the moment their interpretation matched the common narrative. That's confirmation bias and it stinks too bad.

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>>68427354
HOLY FUCK ENNA PLEASE CRUSH MY BALLS WITH YOUR LITTLE CHINK HANDS OR BETTER YET WITH YOUR LITTLE CHINK FEET PLEASE BERATE ME LIKE THE LITTLE BITCH I AM AND SPIT ON ME WHILE I LAY ON THE FLOOR CRYING FROM THE PAIN AND HAPPINESS

>>68444185
I hope some day your mental illness gets better. Unfortunately it seems the voices in your head will continue to rent for free for a very, very long time.

>>68428740
I hate that I can fucking hear this

>>68427963
Shame she won't play any other Metal Gear games because honestly she would be quite good at them, MGR is the aberration in the series.

>>68444393
The voices in my head like 68443711? You cant even impartially defend reddit ethos-based behavior, you have to retreat to it in order to defend it. You arent attacking the argument, you are purely attacking the poster. The best part is that you dont even see anything wrong.

>>68424538
next time read the post before trying to make a retarded zinger as the first post

>>68444760
>what is false flag
>what is no publicity is bad publicity

>>68442756
not sure if this is bait, but she'd be in the bottom tenth of an NA women's tournament lobby
I don't doubt that she was better or could get back to being better, but the last few times she streamed Apex she was very mediocre at it
she had what should have been one of the best teams in the second Apex Rising tournament with Verhulst and Altare and didn't even make it out of her group stage

>>68443262
>topic was going one way
>my opening post was "women are bad at video games"
Wtf are you talking about?

>>68444005
Ya in a field no one cares about you're going to have outliers. Take a look at the people winning Apex tournaments, it's overwhelmingly men.
Given women are much worse at video games it's not fair to compare Selen's performance to the top male players, this is the same as the case of the Williams sisters )top female tennis players) getting completely BTFO by a guy who was top 200th in men's tennis.

>>68445030
Selen should enter an all-female tournament and then we'd see how good she is, judging her performance vs men doesn't mean anything since it's a given that she'd be worse.

>>68445249
yeah, I'd like to charitably interpret it as not wanting to deal with the paperwork necessary to participate in those in spite of asking on twitter for tournaments she can join and then not bothering to do it
it really is kind of funny that apparently she was allowed to pick up whichever two NA proleague pros were around to play in Shibuhal customs without any red tape, though

>>68445123
I dunno man, let's just leave it at that.

>>68441277
>her kayfabe is a 'toxic' gamer
Weird. That was my kayfabe when I was trying to be liked. Somehow nobody liked me and now that I think about it maybe they actually thought that my joke bullying was bullying. It is a good thing for my company that they didn't pretend bully me back.

>>68445123
>field no one cares about
>nobody cared about Quake in its prime
>look at Apex though
lmao

>>68444005
>that one woman in that one game was on top
Cute. Good job proving the point.

>>68444203
No.

>>68444706
Cause I'm not defending it. I'm saying if you make a shitpost and people see a history of shitposting then maybe they're going to consider that yet again you're making a shitpost without any intent to better yourself. That engaging you when you have zero respect for any evidence turns correcting them into a futile waste of time.
68443711 brought up how you word things because it is consistent with your display of bad faith shitposting this entire time. Worsened further by your admission that you don't even post there despite sperging out at troll posts by troll accounts on reddit.

>>68446407
>. I'm saying if you make a shitpost
If you see someone make a shitpost, then fucking ignoring it like an adult rather than getting your balls in a knot and needing to validate yourself by PROVING it's a shitpost. Reddit users reek of insecurity.
>a futile waste of time.
Correcting anybody on the internet is a futile waste of time. You cannot prove this claim incorrect.

>>68444185
You're not in a formal discussion. Who you are as a person is absolutely relevant.

>>68446632
That's why people use post histories to see if you're capable of having honest discussion. It's really simple to understand.
Plenty of people made a mistake, didn't know some old fact or some new news. Those are capable of correction. Unfortunately people like you are awful on purpose. Beyond hope even.

>>68429526
I’d get hard instead if she laughed at me

>>68429526
Me, personally I’d get rock hard if she laughed at me

>>68446876
>Plenty of people made a mistake, didn't know some old fact or some new news
Correcting anybody on the internet is a futile waste of time. You cannot prove this claim incorrect.

>>68427963
this was written by someone who rages like a retard at losing a simple game of tic tac toe, work on your anger management and be less frustrated

>>68424499
Don't care, she's just as bad as the rest of them. Burn all of them to the ground

>>68447791
It is a bit aggressive but it's also accurate. You can watch the streams just know it's hard to watch.
He didn't even include pomu telling people to back off of selen over the MGR stream

>>68448037
Selen skipped the tutorials thinking she could just intuit certain gameplay mechanics based on her being a gamer. Turns out she couldn't. A sane person would've taken the L, do the tutorials, and continue the game. But instead of taking the L she takes it out on chat, drawing out the situation by doing every tutorial until both sides are mirror each other's frustration and amplifies it.

>>68429526
yeah i would kill myself by masturbating repeatedly if elira did that to me

>>68446237
>women are NEVER good at this
>examples of women being good at this are proving my point

>>68444005
>look it up
>its some bint that never won any kind of competition except for some meme match against one of the devs
even your cherry picked example is bullshit

>>68446015
Who are you talking about, Stevie Case? She notably beat the designer of Quake but there were no big money professional tournaments where she beat the top male players (she did come #2 in an all-female Quake tourney).
Show me the women that consistently beat all their men opponents in modern big money e-sport tournaments, you can't, because women are worse at video games than men.

>>68452504
Selen is much better at Apex than the vast majority of players, that doesn't mean she is as good as the top male players, and that goes for all female pros. That is what this argument was about, it was never about "women are NEVER good at this".

>>68425620
5 colorless on your wincon is way too slow these days.

>>68424499
For someone who went through so much mental struggle, harassment, bullying and even a suicide attempt she recovered relatively quickly indeed. In just a matter of a few days she went back to her alt-account and already talking shit and taking advantage of the situation to make money. This whole thing is pretty sus.

>>68455593
She's been gone for over a month

>>68455593
What can you accomplish in 6 weeks of being contractually prevented from working. Wait... Don't answer that we already know.

>>68442423
fuck off redditor

Selen wasnt the best vtuber but i caught her Apex streams with her senpai Chi-chan, I watched both personally im sad i could not help in anyway i only supported them by catching their live streams. Of couse Yuuki Chihiro graduated as of February 2024 with no graduation stream don't forget harassment debacle from Suzuhara graduation Nijisanji Anycolor Inc you have no integrity whatsoever for your IP JESUS CHRIST.
Greedy sons of the devil im done. Unbelievable HoreeyShit!!!