/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68415020
grim

Don't care, I'm happy niji is dying but I won't watch your annoying menhera

Get fucked phasefags

Nobody cara about doki
Fuck off

>>68415064
He didn't say to subscribe to Pippa.

>>68415020
Actually, it's pretty depressing that vtubing is so small in the west and hasn't really caught on at all. I guess the only viable corpo option for western talents is HoloEN.

>>68415020
ACK

>>68415020
Total Niji Death

>>68415020
Here comes the phase seethe.

>>68415103
Tranny, please. Being a sore winner? What the fuck is your problem?

>>68415020
P丸様 is pushing 3 million now and was at around 2 million after termination. Can the west pull off the same thing?

Are phasefans supposed to be mad about this? Good for her, she already earned it before.

GO FATTY GO
ILUFLOP IS NEXT

>>68415128
>Less sad westerners are throwing their lives away on this time waster industry
>this is bad
>better pin all your hopes on the one company I have stock in
Pathetic

pippa soured my perception of phase as a whole
but I might consider giving phase JP a try because an artist I recognize worked on some stuff for one of them
fuck you pippa and pipniggers

>>68415252
Either do better or quit and do more something productive. Like deliver Amazon packages or flip burgers.

>PHASE CONNECT WHO??????

>>68415020
I would hope so. 300k is just about every single nijinog.

>>68415128
EN vtubing is the Wild West that favors indies the most, compared to other markets.

>>68415255
You could always just not watch Pippa

>>68415255
>[P]ippa soured my perception of phase as a whole
What does this mean? She isn’t representative of the whole company. She’s an outlier. A lot of them are. No reason to be sour about her. Why are you sour about her? Something from Reddit bother you?

Oof Niji chara designs are fucking awful

>>68415390
>pipnig conveniently forgets about the obnoxious pippa shilling they did on this board

>>68415314
What is this “better” you elude to?
You’re suggesting that numbers are all that matter. Numbers denote quality? That’s false, you know?

>>68415020
A FUCKING BANDAGE

>>68415020
Who the fuck names himself bandage that's so stupid

>>68415020
I've never watched this woman, but this information fills me with happiness.

>>68415020
Some of the newest wave members haven't reached even 100K. It's really over.

>>68415228
Trying to deflect niji hate to phase is a classic tactic.

>>68415020
>Phasebrownvtm connect's top vtuber btw

>>68415440
I’m fine with Pippa. She’s a quality creator and nice person despite her mental issues. I am a bigger fan of Lumi and all the other in general though. What this this “obnoxious shilling” compared to the constant barrage, floodwaters of hololive threads?
And why don’t you answer a question or two?

>>68415020
>passed nijisanji
>passed phase
>going to pass holo
Who can stop her?

>>68415390
Pippa... you gotta stop getting one guy'd.

>>68415596
I like Lumi at first but I feel like she drips with insincerity in everything she does.

>>68415228
It's either a sister trying to get phasefans and dokifans to fight or just some faggot numberbrown

>>68415606
>going to pass holo
Well, two out of three isn’t bad.

>>68415596
something something holographic board a drone beeps out

>>68415383
>favors indies the most
Eh, there’s certainly successful indies in the west, but those success stories are vastly outnumbered by all the chuubas that remain in 1view hell, you probably have a higher chance of seeing a small amount of success getting into a corpo than hoping you beat the odds as an indie.

>>68415674
Sana is at 413k, does that count?

>>68415709
I guess?

Selen was at 800k ofc she'd bounce back when her roomate is public knowledge at this point.
Congrats to Doki tho she deserves it.

>>68415596
She doesnt even create content she just reacts to drama like asmongold but for bigger losers

>>68415627
Anon. This is a business. She has her real family possibly watching, so she’s candid, she has her past toxic gamer persona she has to hide, she has a chat/subscriber lot she has to cater to, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, and then there’s the layer of kayfabe. (Which makes her out to be evil. )This is show business! What more of her life do you think she owes? What more does she need to lay bare?

>>68415821
>react content isn’t content
>Filian
>Ironmouse
Uh hu. Goodnight

>>68415020
Pippa fell off when she abandoned the chud audience and went hard for the Hasan gender queer audience. No one wants to touch her shit anymore.

>>68415449
>What is this “better” you elude to?
How about more than minimum wage?

>>68415922
>whataboutism
Who said I liked the other sluts you listed?

>>68415922
Theres a reason why ironmouse non react videos on her youtube channel dont break one hundred thousand views

>>68415924
>fell off
>3000+ per stream
Just stay filtered and forget about her, please.

>>68415960
What you apparently doesn’t matter

>>68415255
Who’s the artist?

Ngl, I thought Ver, Doppio and Hex were way bigger.

>>68415989
She would've had 10x that if she didn't sell her soul to tumblr spawned gender freaks like yourself.

>>68415857
She just needs to stop pretending she's giving things a chance when she clearly has no intention of doing so.

>>68416031
What?

>>68416057
>She woulda! If only she licked the boot!
She doesn’t like a big audience anyway. Do try to forget. You had her all wrong.

>>68416080
>>68416031
>What you *like apparently doesn’t matter

>>68415020
Selen had 800k subs
Ofc she's gonna get a lot of subs

>>68415020
most surprising part about this is as much as victoria is shilled here, she got passed by the homo in her gen

>>68416080
Please understand the phasefag just woke up in his mud house in Jakarta.
>>68415596
>compared to the constant barrage, floodwaters of hololive threads?
This is a holo board, how fucking new are you?

>>68415020
Its the FBI and the Glowies keeping pippa down. They cant let her get true power because she knows. Remember if it flys it spies!

>>68416057
It's either tumblr freaks or /pol/tard freaks. The problem is engaging with freaks at all. It's tempting for those that lack the willpower to resist and think for themselves. That's why you have the shoe girl and pippa trying to be pickmes and going back and forth between groups. Because the quick growth is not sustainable and ultimately it's always capped. When the niche gets bored they tank.
Uncapped growth takes longer and more effort but it's actually uncapped.

>>68415255
There‘s a reason that there are so many phase generals, nobody wants to share a thread with Pippa‘s fans.

>>68415255
Roka deserves your time anon, give her a chance

>>68415924
>abandoned the chud audience and went hard for the Hasan gender queer audience

>>68416134
No you see the problem is she did lick the boot.

>>68416134
She licked that boot though, lol.

>>68416380
She respects people's identities and doesn't want you in her community if you can't do the same.

>>68415128
Only reason vtubing got popular in the west is because of the covid lockdown. Once people started going back to work, they stopped caring about vtubers.
Meanwhile in Japan they're losers so they stay at home watching vtubers even when there's not a lockdown.

>>68415020
More like, Dokibird gassed Pippa.

>>68416437
Great, she identifies as a 3view now

>>68416470
If only

>>68416285
So true. 2 more weeks sister.

>>68416273
>Dokibird
>bird
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>68415677
Well, there are simply more successful indies than there are indies who have made it into a successful corpo.
In any case, with nijiEN imploding we'll soon have just holoEN and the top dregs of small corpos like Phase, who still get mogged by the growing club of 4view indies + semicorpos like Vshojo.
The mostly Twitch bubbling mass and the Holo Monolith are the two focal points the EN sector is coalescing towards.

>>68416449
Gura rivals holo jp numbers but ok.

>>68416437

>she not being openly hateful and doesn't want people in her community to be like that
>she's pandering to the queers it's over bad streamer
lmao

>>68416478
Proof?

>>68416546
Most of Gura's numbers are from Japanese losers watching her. Vtubing is dead in the west.

>>68416587
What kind retarded cope is this
Go back

>>68416533
>the top dregs of small corpos like Phase
All of these live in Holo's shadow and benefit from Holo ruling over them, they will never be rivals or contenders because they are more like Holo's subsidiaries. Western vtubing is gonna be stale for at least 5 years after Niji demise.

>>68416273
Flight is a fake. 100 years and we still don't know why wings keep things in the air, only that they do. Birds are holograms.

>>68415924
>>68416057
>>68416380
>>68416285
Did Pippa actually do this or is this just some weird troll? I steered clear from her because I always heard /pol/shit from her and I prefer no politics in my vtubers.

>>68416449
Japanese chuubas also do different streams. Many of them are for phone format. It's like in Japan everyone reads manga during their commute. In the west on sweaty nerds read manga surrounded by their wall scrolls.

>>68415128
EN vtubing is incompatible with corps with the singular exception in the success of HoloEN (which was mostly first mover advantage, anyway). Indies are doing just fine and VShojo is basically indie+ anyway. Japs are right, westerners cannot be expected to follow rules.

>>68416587
Baffling post.

>>68416587
Wouldn't you prefer than Vtubing stays profitable, yet niche in the west?
Look at how anime and japanese games have become as they've gained more mainstream appeal

>>68416682
I haven't seen any of the things he's claiming at all.
Pippa doesn't actually discuss politics much. Kirsche is 100x more political than Pips

>>68415388
You'd have to never look at any Phase chat or talk about vtubers anywhere online, and spend months aggressively telling Youtube to never reccommend you certain channels to avoid the horde of leprous retards Pippa calls a fanbase.

>>68416682
Trying to stir using year old Hogwarts shit.

>>68416682
Pippa is a grifter and everybody knew that very early on. Why are you acting surprised?
>wah it's not a grift as long as she says what I want to hear
Too easy to manipulate. Can't blame her really.

>>68416708
Yeah EN vtubing is incomptable with corps except for the the majority of the most popular EN vtubers who are in a corporation
retard

>>68416449
Still coping 3 years running? There's literally someone who came back with more viewers than when she left on break, selling out on a recent collab, has the best selling merch in her company and had a figure that actually outsold a popular anime figure released around that time. If this is suppose to be the low point of popularity, then it's looking more like a pothole than a sinkhole.

>>68415020
I thought Pippa was way higher than that, whay the hell? Wasn't there a little retarded "race" between Rin Penrose and Pippa for 300k (or was it 200k)? Or am I remembering it wrong. Surely she hasn't stagnated since then?

>>68416556
Yeah, that's how you do frame it. Anyone who doesn't validate your castration cult identity is just full of hate and is not welcome. meanwhile you're full of love for caving to there demands to be validated as something they're not.

Next you're gonna tell me Gura passed Kiki.

>>68415020
To be honest, once I googled selen's real face, I became a lot less interested in her. Still, fuck niji

>>68416810
>Wasn't there a little retarded "race" between Rin Penrose and Pippa for 300k (or was it 200k)?
Rin Penrose has 671k so I think it's safe to say Pippa lost that one LMAO

>>68415020
I can't get over how fucking stupid those names are, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>68416819
I feel this has more to do with your tranny obsession than with Pippa

>>68416660
it's funny because Phase inclined exactly when they began leeching off the Twitch crowd with the high-profile Filian and Henya collabs

>>68416810
Pippa manipulated sweaty neckbeards, Rin manipulated the algo. Both grifters and mid content though.

>>68416851
If I remember it correctly, Pippa was extremely close to the milestone before Rin shot up like crazy, so it was a close one. Still it's crazy how much she inclined while her corpo is going to shit.
I blame coomers for this.

>>68416682
Pippa stepped the huge /pol/ mine full of shit that was Hogwarts legacy. Pika did it too but she wasn't aware, on the other hand Pippa did it on purpose out of spite. She knew it was a good move to get numbers and a twittertard audience, did she do that for numbers or for Pika? The answer is up to you, either way I doubt she would do the same, the audience she caught up with that stunt is terrible.

>>68416785
>except for the the majority of the most popular EN vtubers
It's literally just HoloEN. Everyone else is getting mogged by the biggest indies.

>>68416871
And anyone who doesn't like seeing the world turned to shit by this ugly ideology is just obsessed. Alright troon.

>>68416896
>I blame coomers for the success of the flat-chested girl with covered breasts whose outfit is based on the asexual pride flag
???

>>68416682
Well, afaik, she was le based edgy streamer, while her PL would post something about BLM and stuff like that.

>>68415020
This is entirely Pippa’s fault. Her biggest anti is herself. She could get semi regular collabs with Mori, Henya, and Kson if she just asked but she actively avoids them.

>>68416965
I meant I blame coomers for the state of the other talents and the Riro fiasco, obviously they have nothing to do with Rin's success. That's why she managed to break out of the mold really.

>>68416944
"Just" HoloEN represents the majority of popular English vtubers, then there's 5 or so popular indies, then there's Nijisanji and Phase Connect and whatever else
You're completely off-base, corporations do work

>>68415255
This

>>68417016
>nijisanji

>>68416911
>Pippa stepped the huge /pol/ mine full of shit that was Hogwarts legacy.
So what are you saying that people should have avoided the game? Oh I know who you are.

>>68415383
>delusional 2view

Kek.

>>68417015
Oh. Yeah then, Rin really stands out. She's the only one in the entire corpo that seems to not be pandering exclusively to 4chan, aside from maybe Kai? If I were Aviel Basin I would pour all my money into making Kai big so I could have a second Rin.

>>68417016
>"Just" HoloEN represents the majority of popular English vtubers
dyrbi.
They're completely unknown to the normies.
The most popular EN vtuber outside of /here/ is:

>>68416682
Just remember that "pickme" is something men invented to describe toxic women that destroy friend groups. It's not something jealous women invented, as much as some try to convince you it is. Women know what men want to hear and the choice is as simple as being themselves or saying the things different groups of people want to hear. When the disgruntled men market stops paying attention, why keep saying those things?

>>68416911
>>68417078
Explain to me what exactly did she say, did she shit on Rowling or what?

>Pippa denounces the the chud audience
>Pippa kisses up to and sings songs for /pcg/
>back and forth it goes
Make it make sense.

>>68417010
I don’t think the Corpo overlords are going to let their properties collab with Nazi rabbit

>>68416871
>Other whore leeching off holo
I don't see your point. To top Holo you need to stop playing their game, the reason Holo reached and surpassed Niji and Kizuna in the first place is that it offered something different and fresh. Phase and other western "vtubers" think vtubing=streaming while leeching off the image of vtubing holo created, the problem is that you are offering 3DP shit with a anime avatar and once the novelty is gone you are just a regular streamer, no reason to watch you over asmonbald, xqc or indiefox. Holo is different in that since it offers a very different experience as a valid alternative to regular streaming.

>>68417181
>Pippa denounces the the chud audience
Proof?

>>68417172
Nah she attracted the /pol/ brainrot retards.

>>68417016
I hope you're just being naive because jesas

>>68417199
>Holo is different in that since it offers a very different experience as a valid alternative to regular streaming.
please elaborate

If i wanted to watch a rightwing tranny-hating vtuber chud princess i would stick with Zaion/Sayu - Not watch fucking Pippa the brony who is just edgy to get attention

>>68417181

>>68417181
Unfortunately, the majority of the non-/pol/tard audience has stronger convictions or a longer memory. So she can never really grow, she capped herself permanently.

>>68417172
Twitter Trannies and EN VTweeters got angry that she stream Hogwarts Legacy out of spite for them.
She hates harry potter and steamed it anyway

>>68415020
expect brownvtmemes to start attacking her now

>>68417078
No? Pekora played it without any backlash. You know what I'm talking about otherwise you should go back to Twitter and remember that the brainrot goes both ways.

>>68415020
>from an average corpo vtuber to one of the most popular western indie vtuber within 3 days
THANK YOU NIJISANJI

>>68417296
Imagine being so pathetic you stream or engage with something you hate just for attention or to spite someone.

>>68417239
brainrot? Is a man a woman now?

>>68417334
You can say anything about them, but there's no denying they make a great stepping stone

>>68417312
Trannies openly admitted that they didn't go after Pekora cause Pekora is too big to take down. She doesn't even understand any of the bullshit they are throwing at her. The point of cancelling someone isn't making change. It's just taking someone they don't like to feel superior and in case of Pekora that's a battle they can only lose. Your average indie however is easy to crack.

>>68417364
Yes, spiting people acting like retards is good and funny.

>>68417312
Yeah but Pekora didn't also have streams where she said a group of people should kill themselves. You have to understand that the natural tendency for westoids to sperg out is too strong so it's the game's fault.

>>68417189
Vshojo already did, and Calli has interacted with Pippa in the past, and you’re a Twitter Troon she just comes off as a goofy edgelord. They don’t care that Pippa is “based”, but Pippa definitely does.

>>68417254
Aside from idol stuff (up to you if you like it or not) and heavy kayfabe. Holo is the only corpo that manages to be a valid expression of Moe in a landscape of crass failed 3DP whores and dramafags. Watching Holo is like watching an episode of K-On than a live by a random twitch streamer.

>>68417428
No, it's not. Get a better sense of humor and find a more productive hobby for yourself. Besides, in the end it tanks numbers when the excited drama monkeys get bored.

>>68417452
and unless you’re a Twitter Troon*

>>68416383
>>68416412
Nope. She licks the money still, but that’s a “libertarian” for you.

>>68417296
>>68417239
So why are there people in this thread claiming she rejected that audience, that sounds like the complete opposite? She had the /pol/ pandering reputation long before she streamed Hogwarts Legacy so if she took a shift in the other direction that sounds like it would have to be a recent thing.

>>68417554
She attracted the /pol/ audience with the stream and then released an apology saying "Don't use my name to attack other identies, I respect every orientations" and shit like that. Someone could explain it better.

>>68416449
Hololive is literally a mainstream entertainment brand in Japan you absolute mongoloid
Regular people there watch that shit and its not considered weird

>>68417637
She never streamed the game because she hates gays and trannies, she did it because people on twitter were being obnoxious shitters.
Most just happened to be trannies

>>68417662
>vtuber
>mainstream entertainment
lemao

>>68417504
This is not really true. All of EN3 have a long rich history of those activities, some are still active and disloyal to Holo. Even in the first gen you have Mori and Gura who are precisely from the stock of failed 3DPD whores and dramafags. Ame isn't much better either. On the JP side you have a fewer of those kind but you still have them. To get a wholesome dose of K-On vibes you can only turn to at most 20-30% of Hololive, which arguably you're right is more than anywhere else. The rest is all baubau delusions and begging for lies.

>>68417662
>Regular people there watch that shit and its not considered weird
Merch is sold at places like Lawson and Family Mart, but most people have no idea what a Vtuber is or does.
I've sang Holo songs on Karaoke, and people see my Marine keychain and ask me what it is.
They are 90% of the time confused about it

>>68416682
100% of people here hate each other and are completely different in their opinions fighting for absolutely any reason, but retards will still always think the person who agreed with them once or twice is a big mean "grifter" tricking them because they wont say slurs on their work account or support them when they go on a witch hunt and spread their name, that being someone who is completely uninvolved, everywhere so they get backlash for actually doing nothing at all
Never take anyone who says grifter seriously, pippa is not a tranny sympathizer and she's not appealing to /pol/, but it's not as if she's not speaking about her political views

>>68417554
Because they don’t think we can hear or see the dog whistles

https://youtu.be/8JWmUZWhSA0

>>68417719
None of these people are real, anon. That’s the advantage.

>>68417709
Gura has a whole fucking aquarium themed after her in Sendai
Hololive collabed with the Giants baseball team
Holofes is sponsored by the Japanese Railways

>>68417439
Do you have proof of this?

>>68417709
Mio is literally a government official now, dumbass
https://www.youtube.com/live/B9Lm0USLcac?t=1221

>>68417696
lmao

>>68415128
No it means gatekeeping is working and this is good

>>68416682
Pippa just follows a code of conduct where she doesn't inherently hate people unless they try to infringe on her fun. This ideology is hated by both the left, for not directly hating on those with hateful views and the right, for not inherently hating anything with a woke attribute. This ideology is becoming quite common among those that associate with the right because of youtube's stricter guidelines and those that lean harder right have been kicked of the platform so the ideology has been associate with giving in to the mob mentality.

>>68415128

>>68417774
All the characters are fake obviously, but they're all played by real people. It's like if Pippa suddenly started playing a cute character and pretended she was wholesome. Sure, you could play along with the delusion, but you should know better and that should turn you off.
Genuinely nice people playing wholesome characters are always much better but not everybody recognizes it. They want a lot of nauseatingly sweet lies to cover shady behavior, rather than someone that is genuinely sweet and cute.

>>68415128
I'd say it's too big even, it's already infested with normalfags and you want even more of them to invade your hobby?

>>68417719
I don't watch all of HoloEN but the edge they have over other companies is that even if all the things you say are true the kayfabe never slips, and if it does it just cause more 燃え. Other companies talents act like 3DP whores, or dramapigs, Holo talents not that much.

>>68417766
Gotta admit this is my first time hearing her voice, and regardless of what kind of person she is, I will say I can't deny that is kind of a cute voice. Reminds me of Pomu a little bit.

>>68417804
Yes but I won't link it, because I'm not your search engine. It's in like the first 20 minutes of one of the streams around that time. I think she was commenting on Pika drama before the stream in one of them.

>>68417876
Brainrot

>>68417917
>Moe weeb uses the wrong moe
How embarassing

>>68417961
>Yes but I won't link it, because I'm not your search engine.
lmao

>>68417961
So no proof. Got it.

>>68417986
Nah he means 燃えるゴミ (burnable trash)

>>68417876
Sorry, you're not allowed to have sane takes here.

>>68417890
You could say the same about anime. Seiyuus are real the characters not, you hate the character if the seiyuu is a piece of shit? I know even in holo's case the difference between character and performer is feeble but it's still present and if you vibe with it I see no issue in playing along with it.

>>68417917
>kayfabe never slips
I don't know what you mean by this. It can't mean playing a character well or never referencing real life. Nobody has ever explained it properly in a way that matches how it's used. All of EN talk about their real life all the time, including the ones you're probably thinking of. The twins? Every stream, multiple times, references to their real Canadian lives. Maybe you're just used to setting the bar just above the floor.

>>68417986
no that's just what holofans do to talents who slip up

>>68418035
Sure thing, but you can find it. Since there's no proof you're not trans, we all know you're transsexual too.

>>68417986
It was the right one. With 燃え i hinted at parasocial feelings/sexual ones that surge when you see the mask slip, in contrast to the more pure 萌え. I'm otaku filth don't mess with me.

>>68418130
>Since there's no proof you're not trans
That's not how it works

>>68417364
She was streaming it because her oshi (pikamee) was getting bully.

>>68417876
It's only right to people that think toothpaste is a personality and want to abolish property rights.

>>68417890
You don’t know any of them personally and you don’t know what’s in their hearts. Only God does. I don’t like Pippa because despite all the opportunities and talents she has she decides to hide away and never improve. It’s not fun to watch. I don’t care if a Chuuba is a good person or not, I care if they try to be better because that’s the most anyone could ever ask of them.

Leave Doppio and Vivi alone.The rest of them deserve to be dunked on though

>>68418130
Oh noes someone is trans

>>68418073
No? Seiyuu are actors. They play a role, they don't suddenly go off script talking about their family and personal point of view or anything else.

>>68418180
ywnbaw

>>68418167
That's how it works. Pippa never breaks ToS since nobody wants to search for it for you to just ignore it. Therefore, you're also whatever people want because you won't prove you're not.

>>68415128
>vtubing is so small in the west
GOOD.

>>68418236
>you're also whatever people want because you won't prove you're not.
Still not how it works

>>68417156
>Pickme
>Pikamee
Did she choose that name on purpose?

>>68418074
Delusional

>>68418171
Well then apply it to everyone. You don't know what is truly in anyone's heart. Be nice to anons, they're nice too, be nice to twitter dramafags, they're nice too. The problem is you apply this selectively, and that's more something to do with you than it is to do with them.

>>68418276
Yes it is. You want to argue that reality is anything just because anons don't want to feed your lazy ass. Works both ways sister.

>>68418236
> Yeah but Pekora didn't also have streams where she said a group of people should kill themselves.
We’re talking about that Pekora clip. Why are you trying to change the subject?

>>68418075
>>68418182
Those are among the mask slips I'm hinting at, the purpose is to get closer to the character/Idol/talent, but it's always in the realm of mundanity. Sure sometimes you get deep stuff like the famous Korone quote but it's very different from the typical streamer. The twitch streamer is 100/100 himself, the seiyuu playing a character is 100/100 the character, and holo vtubers are like 60/40 where the latter is kayfabe depending on the talent. As i said
>the difference between character and performer is feeble but it's still present
and that's enough of a difference to put holo vtubing into a different category from streaming.

>I hate Pippas libertarian stances and want to deplatform her, but she is too clean to cancel her and to big to slander her into oblivion. Therefore, I seethe on an imageboard and doxsites
I remember what femcel women and the indie scene did to Athena. Their opinion is to be discarded and ridiculed.

>>68417775
This supports my point from earlier in the thread that Gura's viewers are mainly coming from Japan. I don't see any Gura aquariums in America.

>>68417696
That's it though. She very directly courted the kind of chud audience who don't care for the gender identity shit and then turns round and says if you can't respect people's identities then you don't belong here later, before leaning into the twitch/Hasan audience.

>>68418623
>before leaning into the twitch/Hasan audience.
This didn't happen

>>68417876
>for not directly hating on those with hateful views
So we know what you are then.

>>68418533
True vtubing is pure acting. None of this weak kayfabe nonsense, even then 60/40 is too generous. It's closer to 5% acting, 80% grift, and 15% themselves for what people consider the best EN examples. Like I said though, JP branch is much better. If this is fine for you then great, but lets keep it real. There is also a willingness for most fans to overlook flaws just because of a blue dorito too.

>>68418669
It did and you can deny it all you want.

>>68418708
>Stated ideology of the left is referred to terms used by the left.
>Anon somehow doesn't get that

>>68415020
...yes, and?

>>68418552
>Pippa
>clean
Nobody has ever seriously uttered these two words in the same sentence except as a negation or to contrast.

>>68418739
She didn't ask people to respect people's identities, she asked for people to not fling shit and spread her name when they went after someone, you know, since this is her fucking job, she wasn't tricking you by having opinions you agree with but not being your best friend who agrees with you in everything, grow the fuck up

>>68418731
>It's closer to 5% acting, 80% grift, and 15% themselves for what people consider the best EN examples
>Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

>>68418838
Have you read the thread?
If they had enough dirt on her to ruin her reputation, the sisters would have already done it.
Like they did with Athena.
I hate women.

>>68418905
It's a joke dumbass, this is a 4chan board don't let people actually get under your skin

>>68418731
I don't agree but you do you. Even if some holo talents have less kayfabe it's still something compared to someone like Pipkin Pippa that is completly identical to your typical react twitch streamer.

>>68418947
In my defense,
I'm german, jokes do not compute.

>>68416785
lol nah, hololive isn't compatible because of the idol shit. sponsors want brands that has access to the widest audience, not just incels seething at males. the only thing they have is bigger numbers compared to the rest. which was, largely because, as another anon already said, first move advantage.

>>68416449
They hated him for the truth that he spoke because you are absolutely the fuck right ignore these fucking faggot.

>>68419021
>first
>first
All phasefags are this new or this one is a special case?

>>68415821
it's always funny to see people buy into the "she only does react streams" meme, she's done something like 5 react streams in the last 6 months but people still get hung up over one stream she made numbers in watching exploding cars, part of me is happy it filters retards to be fair, I get to enjoy the chat not turning into holo speed for a little bit longer

>>68416851
I love seeing Idol cope, happy you guys survived Yuko and Conny getting pippa to help cuck the whole corpo, shit was hilarious to see on the sidelines,
how's that merch btw 2view?

>>68418801
sure

>>68419316
>happy you guys survived Yuko and Conny getting pippa to help cuck the whole corpo,
What?

>>68418869
Then why did she use the term identities then? We obviously know what was meant by that.There's no denying it without being silly.

>>68415020
I none of the capipis ever had any beef with her so we're pretty happy, we don't really overlap and she's been big for much longer so happy to see her fans are united in supporting her and not brown nosing the corpo like others had to go with

>>68417986
He doesn't know about the two moe. a pun with the Japanese ichidan verb for 'to sprout' moeru (萌える) and its homophone 'to burn' moeru (燃える), which mean 'to burn' (in the sense of one's heart burning, or burning with passion)
Shamefur dispray...

>>68419361
dwai

>>68419361
He is a schizo.

>>68419412
I've interacted with a lot of vtuber fans, and Phasetards are the only ones I have met who get super hung up on very specific word choices like they're decoding the mysteries of an ancient stone tablet. It's a very interesting phenomenon.

>Doppio 70k short of Hex
I fucking hate that Corpse wannabe, man.

I don't watch chinks

>>68415064
Touche

>>68415020
Phase fan here, good on Dokibird! Did you really think your bait would work? Phase is more than just Pippa for a long while now and your past beef. During the days after Pomu's grad there were a few of us who lurked /haha/ to see if the goons were ok. I'm happy for them that the bullshit is over.

>>68419491
Yeah cause we're bigoted schizos. The jilted ones are at least. Phase is a troon company now and has been for a while. Multiple talents have validated men pretending to be women.

>>68419479
you guys totally didn't have three weeks of meltdown over yuko when pippa promoted her other account

>>68419559
>Phase is more than just Pippa
Decent bait.

>>68415255

>>68418277
Pick-a-mee mario

>>68419575
>when pippa promoted her other account
All in his fucking head, lol.

>>68419316
These are some advanced rrats you got here.

>>68419571
Can you name which ones?

>>68419644
>>68419622
damn, coomers do have a short memory

>>68419583
walmart nose

>>68419715
>Buzzword
>No proof
Peak phasecuck.

>>68415020
Stfu numberfag, go back to your containment thread

Another deflection thread. Babies have their feelings better now?

>>68415020
No bulli doppio please.

>>68416682
I can see her joining forces with the Young Turk against the common enemy.

>>68419698
Pippa with her validating identities apology and she has also referred to men pretending to be women as she/her, and chastised chat for not doing the same. She also streamed with that Merryweather fag and said she isn't transphobic.
Rie one is well known she's not a fan of JK Rowling for the known retarded reason.
Lia said based twice when she saw a message in Splatoon that said trans/non0binary rights
Tenma got her pronouns listed on some speedrunning website or something. This was an opt-in thing. She also collabed with a troon.
Lumi collabed with some fleshtuber Maxor I think who is a pronouns in bio.

Pippa has nothing to do with what happened to Selen, why bring her up at all?

>>68420171
Trannies are purely a political football. Both sides are terminally obsessed with it and cannot get past it dialectically. That kind of things work purely as distraction.

>>68420171
Imma be real.
Rowling sucks. Harry Potter is full of plot holes and shitty people propped up as "heroes". Outside of that she's also a bitchy feminist

>>68420269
Selen has mocked Plapkin Plappa before so they have history
Also phaseshit deserves bullying at all times regardless of relevance

>>68420171
Nice, thanks for the list. Now I know who to subscribe to. It's a shame Airi isn't on this list since I already subscribed to her due to her no-swearing policy, but this bodes well for her.

>>68420171
It's so funny that depending who you talk to, Phase members are all either /pol/tard white nationalists, or woke troon-loving feminazis.

>>68420299
Nah it represents the subversion of everything good into horrible ugly things. We won't get back to good times until it is gone, or at least driven back to the fringes.

>>68420366
What's your pronouns :)

>>68420344
Ah so it was an offhand comment that people like you are turning into a one-sided obsession, got it.

>>68415020
Happy that she'll finally get a playbutton.

Never understood why Nijifans say they wouldn't want it.

>>68420392
> woke troon-loving feminazis
No one believes that.

>>68420572
He might have got that from me, I made it up in /haha/ yesterday and he's pretty much repeating what I said word for word. People in that thread were quick to correct me because they actually watch Selen but that guy was probably just there for some drama tourism.

>>68420461
It was already in the fringes. It was for decades until it was dragged into the spotlight for dishonest reasons.

>>68420735
You'd be surprised

>>68420828
Yeah when global powers decided it'd be the next civil rights movement to castrate yourself and get people to call an x a y.

>>68420735
I absolutely do believe that there are people deranged enough to find one tiny thing that bothers them, weave it into this complicated narrative, and never let it go for the rest of their lives. I dug into the archives and some of the things being mentioned in this thread are from over a year ago at this point.

>>68415020
so? pippa was never gonna be as popular as selen

>>68417876
Only sane person here, I was just going to shitpost up this thread pretending to be seething femanon.

>>68420656
It's a Black company of course it gets taken away from them. They are told they are worthless so achievements can't be kept close to them. Dark psychological shit.

>>68420913
Did any of them ever recant their support for trannies? No? Then it still applies and they can still not be forgiven. It isn't a factor of time passed.

>>68420898
You're just as susceptible to manipulation as everyone else. The only difference is you received yours from the other side.

>>68421133
Nah I'd win

>>68415020
wtf beepa has 300K? unsubbing

>>68415020
Proof that pomu will survive as an indie as well. Pls come back as an indie pomu and don't join vshojo

>>68421133
I'm not interested about sides. Do you, or do you not believe that a man who castrates himself, takes estrogen and wears women's clothing is a woman. If you do then you are a lost cause as an individual because you can be convinced of any insane thing.

>>68420992
We used to get some /pcg/ asshole raiding /nijien/ gloating about how Pippa's numbers were better than Selen or something. It was always a lie but it did show that numbers are a sore point for them, so I enjoy gloating about this.

>>68421174
>Nah I'd reddit meme

>>68421355
You treated a number fag as all of /pcg/. Do you see the problem here. Do you have control of your niji numberfag that's shitting up all these other threads for the past half a hear.

>>68415596
basically some big commie twitch freak named vaush called pippa a nazi and his fags are known for discord raiding. Since /vt/ has the largest reddit crossover of any board it gets pretty obnoxious

>>68421355
Nigga that's a monkey from /#/

>>68421449
Are the Vaushites in the thread in here with us right now?

>>68421600
Actually yes. That dude's one of my only non-vtuber subs.

It's all temporary so who gives a shit. She will fade into irrelevence in a week or two

>>68421796
You meant the Black company will be destroyed or restructured. It would take longer than a week.

React content is bad and that's why I'm not gonna watch and donate to your streams Saruei but I'm gonna consume your ASMR vods because it's one of the best right now.

>>68421768
Why are you subscribed to a horsefucker? And don't try to deny the allegations when in his pedophilia defense video he told you guys to not defend him.

>>68415020
Based, fuck that poser

>SEA hours arguing about Indies
lmao

>>68421954
SEA monkies love numbers, that's all they thinks about.

>>68421954
>complaining about SEA hours.. during SEA hours

>>68415020
I'm more likely to subscribe to indies or rarely clipped corpos because it's harder to remember who they are and there's a real possibility I could forget their name and never see them again. I'm subbed to Rica and Kuroa, for example, but why would I sub to a Holo? Is it possible for me to forget them somehow? I can name all of them in debut order. Likewise I'm subbed to Kirame because I think she's cute but she never does anything I'm interested in; I have no reason to sub to bigface, I watch her every week.

>>68422027
>monkies
ESL trash

>>68421796
>It's all temporary
Wrong.
>She will fade into irrelevence in a week
Wrong. Niji EN is permanently fucked. Driving a talent to attempted suicide is something that doesn't "just blow over", ever. 10 years after the EN branch gets shut down people are still going to say "hey remember when Kurosanji almost made Selen kill herself? that shit was fucked up".

>>68417859
If only this was true.

>>68421355
>We used to get some /pcg/ asshole raiding /nijien/ gloating about how Pippa's numbers
You know damn he's coming from /#/, not /pcg/

>>68421768
I hope you're joking.

>>68421355
/pcg/ hates the rabbit

>>68422211
I really should unsub to all the Holos, I never watch them anyway and all they do is clutter my subs. There are people I'm subbed to that I still forget exist because the Holo subs push them down on the list.

>>68416708
>VShojo is basically indie+
>Recent hires are all from big corpos

>>68422292
If you think they drove her to suicide you must be very naive

>>68415388
I don't even dislike Pippa herself but her fans are a complete nuisance, and simply not watching her unfortunately isn't enough to avoid her fanbase.
>Watching another Phase talent
>Pippafags in chat keep bringing up Pippa
>Watch a vtuber who's not even in Phase but has collabed or interacted with Pippa in the past
>Pippafags in chat keep bringing up Pippa
It's so tiresome.

>>68415064
All of these girls have a level of menheraness going on in their heads. No one sane is going to deprave themselves from social interactions to pander to a bunch of screeching virgins for free. You also need to be a mentally ill retard to take advantage of those retarded incels for monetary gain and not feel any shame.

>>68422491
In terms of rules Vshojo is similar to being indie. It is very lax. So your statement doesn't disprove anything, it means their recent hires are people who want more freedom and less rules.

>>68422491
Yes they're like the shallow kiddie section of the indie pool for ex-corpos to dip their toes in.

>>68422643
Still can't call it indie+ when you NEED to be a popular (big)corpo vtuber to get in and auditions are a meme.

>>68422729
No, because they let in popular indies too. You're forgetting about Geega who is an indie that got in at the same time as Kuro and Matara.

>>68422775
The real audition is collabing with Zen nonstop for a year straight

>>68421600
>>68421768
fucking kek

>>68422729
What do you expect, their business model is flawed. Unless you are a certain size or obvious potential, why would they burn cash for a nobody who can’t move merch or do events (where they take a cut), they’re not a charity nor full of cash like the two giants. It’s just a glorified invite only club now for would be bigger indies. It’s like comparing a regular business to a multinational conglomerate, don’t get why people get pedantic over definitions and miss the meat of it

>>68422534
You know I am very impressed a baby can type this well.

>>68422449
This is something I need to do. I am subscribed to all of them to at least give them "support" but never have time to watch them. I used to be a myth fag and gave up on that group altogether. These days I only watch fauna bae biboo fwmc and from jp I watch miko Subaru pekora or polka. Meanwhile I've never tuned into a shion stream and haven't tune into a myth stream for quite sometime now.

>>68415020
Vivi...

>>68422449
That would actually help them, so instead of being a dead sub you can unfollow channels you don't really watch

>>68416748
So, like grifting when you pretend to "respect" someone's pronouns? Dancing around certain issues is also just a form of pandering.

>>68423591
Yeah, it is a shame that people from /#/ focus so heavily on the raw sub count, when a better metric is whether the active viewers are a large percentage of the sub count.

>>68423668
>person I like does something I don't like
>"Uhh, umm, she's just pretending"

Youtube should change it's metric as well, the same way to Twitch. No way Gura gets 4 million viewers

>>68423847
>someone does something I disagree with
Grifter!
>someone does something I agree with
Uh yeah of course she's being honest!

>>68415020
This is like saying that Gura's growth when she joined Hololive was organic. No point in doing that

>>68415020
Pippowerful. Doki going from ~10k all the way to 300k is pretty impressive.
Happy to see that Niji's attempt at fucking her over failed so spectacularly.

>>68415020
Based

>>68416743
>>68415255
You could also watch Pippa and realize that the chuuba you're mad at has nothing to do with the one that actually exists.

>>68426268
>You could also watch Pippa
See, this is the Pippa begging that pisses me off so much
Shut the fuck up
It would be even better if you stopped doing this on threads that are not even Phase-related, but I know it's too much of an ask

>>68416057
>30-40k CCV Pippa
>sell her soul to tumblr spawned gender freaks like yourself
Holy fuck, both of those things are delusional, but for entirely different reasons.
She didn't even do the thing you're mad about. That only happened in your delusions.
>b-but the apology letter
The one where she didn't say she's sorry? Where she didn't say she did anything wrong? Where she didn't say that she would change anything? There was no apology there, you retard.

>>68422534

>>68417156
>men invented
Pickme is the most female insult to ever exist. 20 times more feminine than "incel" and "virgin" combined.

>>68416478
3view stands for 3 digits, not 3k average ccv. Silly anon.

>>68415020
good, fuck pippa

>>68416810
>>68416851
Pippa is high in CCV (and donations) not subs. Those are the more important numbers.

>>68417288
>So she can never really grow, she capped herself permanently.
I remember people writing that when she was barely a 3view. And when she was at 300 ccv. And when she was at 500 ccv. And when she was at 700 ccv. And when she was at...

>>68420344
She didn't.

>>68420572
Not even that. Don't fall for retarded shit like this.

>>68420992
>>68421355
Pippa actually had a higher median during December than Selen and the rest of NijiEN. You're either overestimating NijiEN or underestimating the rabbit.

>>68421796
People enjoyed watching her in the black company, so chances are pretty high that they'll still enjoy watching her now that she isn't being held back by incompetent managers.

>>68424770
Yeah, thank you for repeating exactly what I said but with more words.

>>68426930
Selen regularly outpaced Council despite the Hololive buff and being kneecapped by management. It helps that Council was a disaster of a gen that made people wonder if Myth was just a fluke, but Selen had a lot of potential that went completely squandered in Nijisanji. I fully expect her to blow away not just Pippa, but also Hololive now that she has the freedom afforded to her as a high profile indie. She will be able to reach Ironmouse levels.

68427596
You have mentall illness, go get medical assistance , brother.

>>68421355
>He fell for falseflag

Maybe now they can finally play FEAR 3 together

>>68417010
She just barely was able to collab with Henya. At the beginning of this year it seemed like she was getting better.
Maybe she'll stop being gay af if she stops coming more into contact with other people.

>>68427111
Just making clear here that being a grifter is not limited to a side and neither is being serious.
If someone is saying something for clout is most of the time obvious from their other actions.