/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

don't hire menhera

>>68406215
Moral of the story is the company value applies to EVERYONE, managements included. If the livers tell you you sucked hard at your jobs, don't try to make excuses, accept the results honestly, analyze, then improve them. Don't try to shift the blame on the livers, be responsible of yourselves, strive to work with integrity.
Cause if managements can't be expected to follow these values, why would the livers do so?

>>68406247
Only a mentally ill girl would want to become a vtuber

>>68406247
But, Phase Connect is a gig happy family of “menhera” sad girls.
Niji is shit because of the management. They need to go. Like out of business. All the talents should just mass quit

>>68406215
moral of the story is don't hire productive workers if all you want are sweatshop workers to milk money from

>>68406215
The moral is don't hire pajeets into management.

The moral of the story is have managers actually do their fucking work.

It was already over for NijiEN before the termination. I should have shorted Anycolor stocks but I didn't know much about the nip market.

>>68406215
Moral of the story is don't lie about the established facts after everyone has had enough time to learn them. Get fucked NDF.

>>68406215
Actually the moral of the story is don't run your vtuber company like an evil retard.

The moral of the story is

>>68406215
No, moral of the story is learn some social engineering and make it ad close to the truth ad possible so your talents want to build the brand instead of destroying it.

>>68406215
You can do it, just say "she broke muh nda" without actually providing any evidence. Everyone will say she deserved it and go back to glazing the company.

>>68406215
Don't be a fucking shit company so none of this happens in the first place, then also don't slander an ex-employee and try to ruin their reputation after you fired them

>>68406215
No the moral of the story is
>Have managers doing their jobs and actively checking their talents work prior to upload instead of writing blank checks and finding problems later
>When firing employees keep statements short sharp and to the point
>Do not say any more than absolutely necessary as it always creates drama
I wouldn't expect a corpo retard such as yourself to understand basic PR though.

>>68406538
livers? they don't matter got over 200 of them we can get 200 more, management has hard work to do what are you doing criticizing them? all talent has to do is fall in line, stream and stfu up about everything else, don't ask for covers, don't ask for 3D, you'll get it when I fee- when it's properly vetted by management.

>>68406538
>Noor told EN to send all relevant shit to her and her alone
>Would punish them if anyone from main branch found out about drama or was asked about shit she didn't specifically clear
>Made NijiEN effectively an island
For the first time in probably forever, after reading some of the shit coming down the tube, Riku probably is learning about all this shit with just as much confusion and disbelief as we are

>>68406591
phase is a weird one. most of them are menhera, yeah, but they're also not (usually) backbiting cunts who want to spread misery. you just have to find the RIGHT menhera, because god knows you literally cannot have a vtuber company with zero menhera members.

>>68406215
The moral of the story is to suck DICK and drink CUM from fun-sized JAPS while TYRONE THE BULL absolutely DEMOLISHES your wife's TIGHT asian PUSSY with his BIG BLACK COCK

>>68406966
>zero menhera members
VSPO, 774

>>68406917
>Riku probably is learning about all this shit with just as much confusion and disbelief as we are
Wait hold on, why does this makes sense?

>>68406917
Was Noor really that incompetent?

>>68407028
>8am in israel
yeah makes sense. good morning mr bergstein.

>>68406917
Noor became irrelevant since 2023, retard.

>>68407087
>He thinks there's no menhera in 774
>He doesn't realize that the menhera in VSPO is the corpo itself.

>>68406966
It's the difference between BPD and a narcissist. Very easy to confuse the two, but fishman or someone else in PC seems to have a very good sense of distinguishing the two.

>>68406827
Fucking nail on the head right there mate. Anyone saying anything else is either stupid or deflecting. Niji management is obviously the issue and their lax management has caused a vast majority of issues in their EN branch.

>>68407213
>>68407095
IN are still currently the defacto EN managers. Recent job posting for Anycolor was a director for the EN branch to be stationed in Canada

>>68406917
Wasn't Noor replaced by that Harry fucko more than a year ago?

>>68406917
>source: the voices in my head

>>68407331
...Who will also be ESL then lmfao. All they're going to get in canada are chinese or indians.

>>68407409
As director probably, but never let go

>>68407215
>He thinks there's no menhera in 774
name them and their actions
>He doesn't realize that the menhera in VSPO is the corpo itself.
proving my point

>>68407252
yeah, very familiar with bpd having grown up with a mother that suffers from it. they're fine people when they know how to exit a situation that's messing them up.

>>68407451
Hire some half decent minnesota or michigan american and have them just say they're in canada

>>68406215
>So the moral of the story is don't chastise or fire your talent even if she's flouting rules/breaching contracts left and right, even if she's deliberately sabotaging your reputation on social media?
This creates a dangerous precedent

>>68407117
בוקר טוב גויים

>>68407117
assaultmycum

>>68407637
>>68407648
hope you have a good day posting propaganda fellas. dream job honestly. we're out here doing it for free and you get a paycheck? almost criminal isn't it?

>>68407738
it's a better job than working at nijisanji lol

>>68406215
No, retard, the moral is to always ALWAYS keep a termination notice brief and neutral. They shot themselves in the foot trying to take a shot at Selen on her way out.

>>68406215
Don't hire Canadians

>>68406538
> Cause if managements can't be expected to follow these values, why would the livers do so?
This is the fallacy whataboutism. If the management is acting poorly, then they should be dealt with as a separate issue. It is no excuse to allow you to act poorly yourself.

>>68406215
> Hololive gets away from Rushia's and Mel's termination
> Kuroniji purges Selen for not being part of a clique
seanigs I can't

>>68406215
its don't break the contract till you've had them sign another nda. the fact niji broke the contract before she signed the nda means she can talk about it.
Contract works both ways.

>>68408146
I still have no idea how Holofans rationalize Mel leaving "amicably" when she was fired and stripped of all her shit overnight

>>68407900
They prolly feared selen would've lied about her termination and felt the need to clear any misunderstanding preemptively

>>68406917
Noor was replaced by Harry as head manager on december 2022, which is coincidentally when the brach went to shit and all management got replaced with nepohires including the 2-week hire Flopsoleil manager, it was also when management started canceling all Selen projects and when the AR concert rugpulll happened

>>68408210
because it was almost certainly a legal matter and that's how the contract was worded. sad as it may be, they can't alter the execution of a contract because then it can be called into question in court. she was given the most dignified exit she could under the awful circumstances.

>>68406215
The lesson is keep them happy and tard-wrangle them when necessary. There are many stubborn girls in hololive and they’re able to be wrangled. Also don’t go full retard and fire them without even telling them.

>>68406917
Why does noor even make you seethe this much
She has nothing to do with this

>>68406215
Moral of the story is you need to actually speak English to manage an English branch. Absolute joke of a company

>>68408210
Because she herself admitted fucking up, was let say a final goodbye and the announcement limited itself to stating the facts, compare with Rushia who had to be dragged out kicking and screaming while claiming it was all just a power move by Aqua or the petty shitshows that have been both NijiEN's termination announcements

>>68408210
Why does the NDF focus so hard on Mel's termination as if it's at all similar to the royal dicking Selen just took?

>>68408292
Yeah, and they fucked up and ended up pouring gasoline on the PR disaster. Letting Selen make wild accusations is better than publicly vindicating her in a naive attempt to castigate her.

>>68409025
There's a superficial similarity in both of them getting fired for breaking their contract, but they're too stupid to realize that Mel's termination looks downright graceful in comparison to this utter debacle.

>>68408073
>then they should be dealt with as a separate issue
Assuming they were being dealt with at all before it started affecting the rest of the system

>>68406215
Moral of the story:
1. Don't be a black company
2. DEFINITTELY don't be niggersanji

>>68406538
>>68409260
Isn't it weird how only selen has a problem with management haha
Almost as if she's the problem child

Honestly the biggest thing to come out of this is the control kurosanji try to keep on the people hired. Have something else remotely successful? Yeah you can't do that anymore.

Pomu with whatever opp came up that they stonewalled her out of, the VA that turned it down because they said no to that being done side by side.

I hope any talent choked by them and worth saving is watching what's going on and follows suit. Leave the rats to drown on the sinking ship.

>>68409359
Half of Nijisanji ID had problem with management, few dares to speak about it because they know it will affect their friend but someone has to.
Someone HAS to!

>>68409359
>only selen has a problem with management

>>68409359
How many graduations is Niji EN up to now? 5? 6? It's almost as if Nijisanji is the problem.

>>68409745
I wonder how long the graduation queue is at this point

>>68409359
>Pomu started crying on-stream because management shot down up a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity had an MV stuck in the approval queue for an entire fucking year.
>NotNina and NotMysta throwing shade at management after graduation
>The entire fucking Zaion saga.

>>68409691
He's trying to direct the conversation so that he can have the Meiro VS Roa discussion again and play the "Niji wouldn't have terminated someone if they're not a troublesome person", textbook Niji bootlicker.

>>68409745
How many graduations did HoloCN have? All of them? Guess it must be the talents fault!

>>68406215
Yeah, make sure your attempts at making the talent commit suicide follow through. Amirite Nijisisters high fives!

>>68409924

>>68409924
>Guess it must be the talents fault!
He doesn't know

>>68410069
I know about cover bootlicker's cope, doesn't mean it's true.

>>68406966
> but they're also not (usually) backbiting cunts who want to spread misery
'(usually)' doing a lot of heavy lifting here

>>68410034
>Posting Vegeto
Get that weak shit out of here

Don't have stupid rules. Don't have stupid rules that protect your company only and antagonize your talent. Don't do this in a industry that is public-relations and talent-first.

Niji runs their shit like it's a supermarket instead of a talent-agency with hundreds of thousands of eyes on their employees.

>>68406966
Didn't early Shiori want to collab with males, and refused to call the Myth girls "senpai" because she was "around before them" or some shit?
Glad to see she got whipped into shape though

>>68410405
>Don't have stupid rules.
Bro, we're talking about japanese companies here

>>68406215
lol, lets consider for a second that
>selen broke all the rules
even IF that was the case, by breaking the rules she achieved more success than by following them, then that just means the rules need to be changed unless you wish to be mediocre or to fail

>>68406215
Source for any of these claims? Because it seems every third party involved said it was Niji that refused to pay them, delayed projects unnecessarily, was difficult to work with, used underhanded tactics, etc.

How did Selen specifically sabotage reputation or breach contract? Seems to me canning a project the talent paid for at the last moment for bullshit reasons is itself a breach of contract. Vague corporate prose cuts both ways.

I don't know if Selen "deserved" to be booted or not, but in that case they should have "graduated" her like she asked (and how they did to Yugo and Gundou).
The fact that some dude in management thought it was a good idea to Zaion her is the proof that the company is ran by malicious retards and actually give credit to all the gossip and bad rumors that have been going around for a long time.

NijiEN management made a forest fire out of this ember

>>68406215
No. The rule is keep these matters quiet. Either let her graduate in a timely and orderly manner, or keep the termination simple like "she didn't pursue approval internally" and leave it at that.

Otherwise, be ready to clearly own or deny things. Don't acknowledge bullying if you wont either deny it outright or have management fall on the sword, because people are going after other talents.

Lastly, termination letters are not invitations to semar reputation, it is merely to state directly and clearly the reason of the termination. Don't contradict yourself when sending those. Always try to keep the termination amicable, lawsuits or resentment does nothing to benefit you or your bottom line. The fact nijisanji can't do any of this speaks fucking volumes.

>>68406215
Get a real manage who can do his/her job.
So far all of these problems can be solve or lessen the blow way before this shit hits the fan.

>>68408210
She admitted to fucking up, her manager bothered to release her final statement on her twitter AND YAGOO and A-chan followed that up with regret in having to do what they had to do, not to mention the amount of holomem that genuinely seemed bummed about the loss. It helps that "Mel" hasn't talked to 3rd party sources trying to drag Cover or her fellow talents name through the mud.

Compare that to Rushia were some members seemed nonplused and later on even recently she's been baiting in naming names with other Holomem because she can't take responsibility for her own actions.

WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
GOOD/EVIL

>>68410350
>Fageta
nice vest homo, they make those in men's sizes?

>>68406215
Your mom created a dangerous precedent, retard

>>68411179
You're one to talk. Did your earrings come with a bitch necklace as well?

>>68409172
>breaking their contract
Is it about uploading the vid without the ok from the management?

>>68411370
Says the little homo throwingbrainbow sparkly bullshit and calling it your ultimate move. Maybe you'd be better off in My Little Pony.

>>68410525
did he stutter

>>68411586
Boy i could throw glitter bombs for a year straight over Fresno, and it would still be less gay than you deep throating pink slime by choice

>>68410591
The rules are there to make livers feel helpless without Nijisanji, I thought one of the liver talked about this already.

>>68410218
The alternative is they just had to pull out of CN because the entire country had a meltdown and they're STILL blacklisted by Chinese companies, so either way you're retarded.

>>68411902
Oh I'm definitely not hearing from the guy who might as well have been featured in a gay male prostitute ad the way he was posing in the credits

OP is Noor, the voices on the interwebs tell me so

>>68406827
>When firing employees keep statements short sharp and to the point
That is my biggest black point about En management. I understand they want to make Ennigger understand why they fired someone because of cultural divide. Ennigger don't understand Zaion was fired because she play FFXIV and Nintendo games on stream with mod/cheat and refused to listen. (Nintendo and Square Enix are extremely autistic about this shit. But their overly verbose statement that include everything that Zaion did even the small, irrelevant one, only make the management look absolutely unprofessional and comically evil.

>>68406215
Managers are blameless yet again. They ALWAYS get away with it

>>68411910
well then, if thats the objective of the rules more power to nijisanji I guess

>>68406215
The moral is that rules shouldn't be followed to a T. If you're this pedantic about it, you shouldn't be surprised if it backfires.

>>68406215
>bro actually believed niji's lies

roru
rorumao

>>68412510
Posing for your line of work is a far cry from letting people inside your to tear your tummy up

The moral is once you go black you never go back.

>>68410445
Based. I'll watch her if true

>>68406215
Ah yes, and even better just dont hire anyone at all, as they will all eventually leave due to the cost saving pajeet managers you threw in to save money for even more yachts

>>68406966
Phase poached a tard wrangler manager from nijisanji, without her there's no one there to wrangle the livers

>>68406215
The moral is don't act like petty woman when you fire someone

>>68408073
just like the might CEO of Rape used to say; if management is problematic in the first place, the employees will think such things are normal in the company and they will become problematic too.

any color they only ever choose black very american

>>68407091
No CEO is tuned in even 50% to a sub-branch of their business' day-to-day.

>>68407490
>As director probably, but never let go
Noor was let go, someone posted her linkedin last year and nijisanji was removed from her current work

>>68406538
>Actually thinking "company values" are there to foster any sort of decent moral standard
I've sat in on meetings where nearly identical "mission statements" are created or adjusted yearly, so I can say from experience it's little more than corpo-slop meant to appease investors. Read their definition of integrity closely and tell me if it says anything at all about integrity when it comes to the company leadership itself or how it should be run. Hell, it avoids stating the most essential part of integrity -- honesty -- while still using the word "honestly" in a way that creates an implication that allows blame for management failings to be shifted onto employees. People who get paid way too much money spend days writing up these kind of "three bold emotive words that sound nice" and then define them with corporate word salads in ways that dogwhistle their true positions and values. Sometimes they even have the employees suggest and vote on those "shared values" before doing their dirty work to twist the definitions in ways that shield upper level managers and hurt people that actually care.

>>68406215
No. The moral of the story is to not get baited with drama that will blow over in a few days. The western fandom is a blight on the industry.

>>68413538
Still waiting for drama over management's handling of Zaion to blow over. Oh whoops they've driven off five more, and three in the span of a month. Well, surely it stops here.

>>68413821
Who? Oh, her. Only freaks talked about her, before she got fired and after. That's why she's where she is now.

>>68413821
She was there for what, 3 months? No one really cares about her outside drama. It's like crying about Sana.

>>68414110
You're right, the effects of her termination were negligible.
The effects of management's incompetence? Not so much, as it turns oSHAHut.

>>68414110
You're right, the effects of her termination were negligible.
The effects of management's incompetence? Not so much, as it turns out.

>>68406591
I want this but I don't want to lose Rosemi, sure she can reincarnate but I cannot see her as anything but the funny pink wose.

can you at least spell yacht properly?
you're making the rest of us anti-niji chads look bad

>>68406215
The moral is, if your talent is considering suicide because of your actions, you better make sure they go through with it.

>>68406215
No, the moral of the story is that if you fire a talent just fire her and say she violated her contract instead of trying to paint her as a menhera who was doing all kinds of cursed ng things even if she actually was one.

>>68406215
The moral of the story is, just give your livers a fucking normal graduation.

>>68406215
the moral of the story is to look into the harassment claims by other colleagues of the company, but niji took the easy route and fired the one being harrased.

>>68410445
No you stupid catalog retard.

>>68414110
You're wrong, /pol/tards care.

>>68406966
>phase is a weird one. most of them are menhera, yeah
The rrat is that to be a talent manager in PC you have to be
a) female
b) have a background is psychology or a similar medical field


If this is true this is the smarstest dumb shit or the dumbest smart shit someone did in the industry.

>>68415476
Aloe...

the morale is don't treat your employees like absolute garbage (impossible for a japanese company) and don't try to demonize them when they leave, just say their contractual engagement with your company has come to an end or something without elaborating

>>68406215
The moral of the story is be professional managing your employees instead of delegating everything to a clique of untouchables in the workforce, no matter if that’s how the samurai dealt with things back in the days of unga bunga Sengokunga.

>>68415476
if selen actually suceeded in offing herself, Anycolor is going to be more fucked.

>>68406215
They should have purged all management and begged the talent to stay

>>68406215
The lesson is to fire shitty managers and hire a sufficient number of decent ones. And make them actual adress issues with positive changes.

>>68406917
lol anon dont kid yourself, nijiJP management is just as bad

>>68406966
Uruka my beloved….

>>68421094
I have heard all Niji JP scandal and none of them from managers. Literally all of them from Livers themselves. Except Lulu.

>>68406215
no the moral of the story is op is a faggot

>>68406917
There is literally zero percent chance he did not sign off her termination.

>>68406215
An even more dangerous precedent would be to let everyone know that management that doesn't pay artists, let rampant bullying run unchecked, air the dirty laundry of their terminated talents for petty reasons, doesn't support the talents in any way whatsoever, constantly lies to the fans and overall creates an environment that leads one of their top earners to attempt to hero herself should keep their job.

>>68407087
Are they all men then?

>>68421513
They hardly covered themselves in glory with how they handled, or rather didn't handle, the Roa-Meiro situation.

>>68406215
The moral to the story is when you're #1 EN talent gives you a graceful out, like Selen did on the 26th, you FUCKING TAKE IT.

It was absolutely bat shit insane to say, "You can't quit, you're fired!"

Plus their specific complaints, like the MV privitization thing, aren't actually true. Nijisanji got permissions directly from the creator in 2022, and then there's the whole "She lied about privating the video when we privated the video."

And you certainly don't put your talent's lives in danger by suggesting they bullied someone's kami-oshi to the point of suicide. There was absolutely no reason to mention any harassment by anyone else, and that letter really shoulda been just one page.

>>68407087
I don't know about 774inc but Noah, Runa and Qpi are definitely a menhera. And Noah is called Rice Cooker by jpfags.

>>68406538
>Take the extra step...
>...off the bridge you fat purple fuck
Wtf Tazumi?

>>68422125
Creator permissions aren't the only permissions.

>>68418507
They would have covered it up, like they covered up the attempt, and settled with the parents out of court.

Selen's suicide attempt may have failed, but NijiEN's succeeded.

>>68422106
To be fair, they had no idea Meiro was batshit insane and manipulate and gaslight not only her coworker but also the whole netizen. Not to mention Meiro also ghosting the management and refused to met with them. So they cannot discuss about Roa's complain with Meiro.

>>68406215
They should just get rid of the EN branch. They are causing way too much problem and damage to the brand. Selen spreading shit about a suicide attempts and bullying to retaliate against the company without caring or giving a flying fuck about the other 200 people that stream under Nijisanji that will be affected by this bullshit too. This is the very definition of a narcissistic maniac.

>>68422503
Have you considered not licking the asshole of a black company?

>>68422503
why should selen withhold key information in defense of the attacks made to her and instead defend the company that antagonized her you absolute retard

>>68406215
The moral of the story is companies should be held to professional standards and not whatever dumb nip bullshit cultural values they cling to

>>68422274
Better start writing a list of perms that matter, faggot, because "getting permission from people whose job you're doing because they aren't" ain't on it

>>68406215
The moral of the story is to write better press releases.

>>68406215
Correct. Also it's okay when Hololive does it.

>>68422125
If they let her go the investors will swarm them with questions, if they fire her they only need to address that it's neglectable.

>>68422503
I have a better idea. The whole of Nijisanji management should stick with the nip culture retardation and commit seppuku to reestablish their honor in front of the investors.

>>68422757
I somehow think a quiet graduation would generate a loss less questions than a poorly executed high profile termination followed by an internet shit storm.

>>68413217
I still found zero evidence of this rrat. Then again, it's a rrat.

>>68423724
NH but they definitely got someone. Pippa talks a lot about how the company was ready to fall apart early on, until they got a new miracle manager... In-between her QAnon rants.

>>68406215
The talents are the brand. If you terminate one that is well-liked and by all accounts but yours a productive, good natured, and generous person, there will be backlash. Especially when no one trusts the statement you spent over a month crafting to paint her as irreparably evil. Reminds me of EIEN in that regard.

>>68406215
Companies are supposed to protect their talent and help them flourish, not the other way around.

>>68406538
wow this guy sure looks like a proper retard.

>>68406247
This would unironically kill vtubing

>>68406215
>don't drive one of your most beloved talents into suicide over some meaningless bullshit
Pretty deranged that this somehow sounds outlandish to you. A competent company would have done everything in their power to get that video out in time.

>>68423967
>well, they did hire a manger so...
You're retarded, anon.

>>68428128
Calling me a retard won't save your precious branch

>>68406917
>if only our dear leader would have know about this

>>68422689
It literally is if you insist on pushing the button to publish.

>>68428809
Are you Riku? cuz I'm talking about how he looks.

>>68428783
Just saying there was a miracle worker. I doubt they were from Niji simply because Niji's management is clearly shit.

You know we wouldn't be in this shitshow if they had just let her graduate and gone something like

"we're sad to let her go but despite having gotten permits on her own, failure to do so from within our proper channels has made it impossible to verify from our side and thus putting our brand at risk. Then actively braking code by promoting reuploads."

But instead they chose to be petty, abusive and allowing bullying. This isn't even the first case so people are willing to believe it this time even if she was a menhera using self harm for sympathy.

Don't have Rakesh manage your talents who gets extremely butthurt when his feefees get hurt and writes a 6 page document defending the glorious company. You let people go in a two sentence notice and shut the fuck up.

>>68406215
It's the moral of the story if you're a dumbass.

Real moral is that PR fucking matters, and if you create a document shitting on a beloved talent as you push them out the door, don't be suprised if you end up with shit all over your hands.

>>68429454
if there were legal threats then it probably was taken out of the hands of talent management who could have maybe landed that, and the wording was dictated by legal in order to position the company for a lawsuit
that’s not to say selen or her family were wrong to bring up legal threats, just that that always escalates things with companies. settlements only happen after both sides are lawyered up.
the one thing that concerns me is that nijien might not be able to right their own ship without jeopardizing their legal position, since it’s like a tacit admission that there were problems. so even if fans are boycotting and livers are making ultimatums behind the scenes they can’t make the necessary concessions.

>>68406215
NijiEN falling wasn't caused by Selen. Selen was just the last straw kills it. There won't be any drama if there wasn't a series of graduation. In addition, the the 3 pages termination letter just showed how unprofessional they are.

>>68416168
According to Dizzy the managers themselves are menhera so maybe that's the secret sauce.
https://www.youtube.com/live/jXrt4LABQfc?si=nuiqLjwKkh8spNaE&t=1620

>DBSpic shitposting
Just dumpster this thread already get the beaners back to /a/

>>68406215
yes