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Just because people speak Japanese doesn't mean they're right

Shut the fuck up Millie

>>68396542
Vtubing
Made by Asians. Got popular by Asians. Owned by Asians.
Deal with it.

>>68396324
True, she misjudged that she's big enough to not obey the rules

>>68396324
Half of these look like non-Japanese users/bots using Google translate.

A totally defeated and demoralized people. One of the unfortunate downsides of our total American domination that all they know is to heel for "authority".

>>68396324
All the managers should be fired first since they aren’t doing their jobs at all. What’s even the point of an agency that provides no support?

its like they can't even fathom that nijisanji could be in the wrong/could have fucked up

>>68396693
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>68396825
>what is the emperor's cult of personality

In the civilized world you don't fire someone when they give their two weeks notice.
Sounds like kurosanji does not belong on the world stage. Sad!

I'm glad niji is dying, you love to see nijikeks finally accepting the truth
But I couldn't care less about Selen and dragoon apologists should eat shit
She's obviously a menhera and one of the most annoying bitches I've ever heafd, white knights are going to watch her debut and forget about her the next day kek

>>68396324
I don't remember ever asking for Japanese wageslaves' opinion

>>68398707
me neither

>>68396542
just because you speak English doesn't make you right either

>>68396324
Japs are slowly being informed.

>>68396324
Gonna have a hot take here. I think Niji is shit in general as a company, but this was a rather extreme reaction to something we don't actually know a lot about. Everyone just kinda accepted what she said is 100% exactly how everything went down. Everything I've seen so far makes her look like a bipolar emotional roller coaster who sees herself as a victim a lot. These JP takes are also retarded though to be fair.

The twitter JPs are Anycolor botting bootlickers from what I've seen. If you want to see a more neutral JP perspective check the Yahoo JP stock page for Anycolor like in >>68402769

what did she do?

>>68403390
Bitch are you high? Zaion, Pomu, and Selen are all the examples we need. Fuck NijiEN into a dead corpse

ok millie it is a fact, but try removing her from the picture. do you even know what other examples there are aside from the terminated livers? these jp are also tourists that have no idea what the fuck they're talking about by always saying "this is a Japanese company"

>>68396613
tpbp

Funny how they say you should act like japenis while being in japenis company, yet they post on American social media website. Shouldn't they adhere to American values then?

>>68403390
Incredible that people don't trust a company who accuses a talent of not paying her hired artists, the same artists who come out to say Selen had to pay them personally out of pocket since Niji wasn't compensating them as agreed.
Retard.

>>68396324
Absolute fucking cattle, the lot of them. Check that, worse than cattle. Cattle are useful.

>>68396324
Oooh I cannot reave company until boss reaves. Better stay for another 7 hours doing nothing. Gomenasai wife and famiry

>>68404003
If it is such a Japanese company than it can go the fuck back to Japan and stay there, forever, with zero foreign branches or market share.

>>68404416
If Niji didn't approve the cover, why were they expected to pay in the first place?

>>68396324
They still haven't been exposed too how much the talents aren't managed, a d that they manage each other yet. Hell even translations from JP to ENG are done by talents should be a red flag

>>68404770
What? Are you a tourist or something?

>>68403390
Nina and Pomu were crazier than Selen for year on god ngl skibiddi

>>68404770
You sound like a retard that knows nothing about how vtubing works

>>68396324
That's what they should have stuck with. People will be mad, but that's part of "Activity Rules". Instead AnyColor couldn't help themselves and included a bunch of irrelevant bs that are being refuted by people other than Selen. If it was just a back and forth between AnyColor and Selen, it could be controlled. Instead, AnyColor has been shown to be incompetent with contracts (NDAs) and incapable of making payments on time. People are supposed to improve their messaging with every drama. Instead AnyColor has as many extra chromosomes as the notice has extra pages.

>>68403390
ah yes the "bipolar emotional rollercoaster" is the sole reason why several other Livers have already left the agency and multiple independent creators have come out confirming that management is indeed horrible at doing their jobs... hm...
Clearly your mother drank heavily while you were in the womb

>Posting the opinions of uyoku
lol works for the EOPs here

>>68396324
Brainwashed nips, no wonder work-related suicides are very commonplace in Japan.
Yeah I said it.

>>68403390
And besides, one termination out of 200 talents isn't bad.

Most people voicing discontent in Japanese are not going to be doing it in the replies of official or big accounts, or naming the topics directly. It's all vague posting. If you aren't already in the Japanese fan community you aren't going to see it. The sooner you get this the sooner you learn to discredit shit threads like this.

>>68396324
>no company has ever wrongly terminated a contract before
why are there so many employment lawyers if employers never do anything wrong

>>68403390
It's not about just Selen.
This is has been building up for over a year.

>>68396542
Spbp

>>68403390
>Several graduated talents, dozens of freelance artists, and many other people who have had some association with Anycolor are all lying and making things up to slander Anycolor because they're mentally ill or have an agenda or whatever
>The corporation fucked up
Occam's razor

>>68396324
Oh look brainwashed niji jp faggots. Point and laugh at them people

>>68396693
Now bow down and kiss those Japanese balls like the good boy you are.

>>68396796
This. Especially the chink one.

>>68396324
I keep trying to explain this to anons. They keep trying to cope that other JP corpos are going to see it like them. When you sign a contract you have to obey the agreements you made. I hope anons are all successful as individuals.

>>68396542
>shit opinion
:|
>shit opinion, Japan
:OOOOO

I really like how all the Japan loyalist have not learned to speak Japanese and moved to 5ch. Instead they're here on a American bulletin board typing in English.

>>68396324
>a handful of slants going purely off of a bullshit press release

>>68406698
corpos break contracts all the time but employees cant do shit about it

>>68396693
Reminder that the Japs are a conquered race and their culture is so westernised it's no longer their own

>>68407146
Kek

>>68406159
That's what laws are for and it can go to court. Would the EOP fans admit they're wrong and say it was her own fault if it goes to court and she loses and has to pay extra damages? No, they will say that the system is unfair and corrupt but somehow they're right to be disobedient. This is a cultural problem and shows a great amount of arrogance.

>>68396324
no one is arguing about her breaking rules. people are pissed because she asked to quit, put herself in the hospital, they tried to brush it under the rug and pin the blame on her while she was AWAY unable to defend herself.

>>68407309
All countries with contract law have laws that protect both parties to a contract. If this were not the case then contracts would be meaningless and could not be respected, even overseas.

>>68407526
>they tried to brush it under the rug
You mean they didn't embarrass her by saying she made a suicide attempt after she found out she was getting fired, and then they delayed it to avoid additional stress for her. That's pretty standard.

>>68396324
The last place I would look to for an opinion on work culture is the country with the highest rates of suicide and overworking themselves to death. That like asking a blind person what their favourite color is when all they can see is black

>>68404770
They weren't paying for the cover. She paid for it out of her own pocket, like all of her other projects she invested in by herself. 15,000 Canadian dollars and over a year of work later they took it down because apparently having the permissions of the songs producer, owner as well as all of the artists is not enough and put her on indefinite suspension as she puts on newly found debt. She was right to be angry at them. They're all terrible at their jobs as well as being terrible people. Nijisanji is a black company.

>>68407309
That sounds like a Western problem, I'm sorry to hear about that. By the way, regulations are good for employee freedom and rights, but your politicians disagree

>>68396324
Why are you posting literal who accounts?

>>68403390
Newfag we only like schizo posts and everything needs to be taken to the extreme. We don't like sane and rational thinking here.

>>68396324
>I sense an arrogance that they are the ones who set the rules, as is the case with automobiles, semiconductors, steel, and so on.
Remember the last time the Japanese complained about being shafted in foreign steel production? Lmao they got served two nukes on a silver platter. Know your place. The japanese will always be second class dogs.

The key difference between Japanese and US fanbases is that the Japanese fanbase is mainly made up of functional adults, and the US fanbase is mainly made up of manbabies. But EOP always want to convince themselves that they're just like their Japanese counterparts even if nothing could be further from the truth. The reaction of Japanese fans to many termination dramas in the past has always been different. To the Japanese the EOP fans are a nuisance just like western feminists and other groups that make assumptions and don't try to see their perspective.

>>68407526
and also the rules are retarded, management can't get anything done in a timely manner and if they do pay creators they give pennies, everything Selen did to get the video out was completely justified and they had no right to take down a video they didn't fucking contribute to at all

>>68405037
I think the most baffling inclusions in their PR release were where they contradict themselves in the same sentence, where they implicate the other Livers in bullying when Selen had not publicly, mention it's for the good of the stakeholders and confirming they had deceived fans by pretending to be her on twitter. It's such a badly thought out document when as you say, just a line about how she had breeched Anycolor's Activity Rules without getting into too much detail, whilst still not great, would not nearly be even one tenth as bad.

>>68407996
>https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
>https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-overworked-countries
Okay.

>>68396324
>different culture
Oh shut the fuck up, don't use the "japanese culture" as an excuse
I'm a japanese born and raised and working in Japan and still this shit is fucked up
Hololive is doing fine, your management just sucks

>>68408663
>rules are retarded
This is the problem with hiring westoids.

>>68409126
This is the problem with poor management, corporate bootlicker-kun. I can't believe that even now I'm able to find people who think like you, unable to conceive that corporations are made up of people and that these decision makers can in fact be just as retarded as the next guy.

>>68408975
You're Americanized. There are even many Europeans that are heavily Americanized. You see American political slogans and conspiracies graffiti around Europe in public transport sometimes. It doesn't apply at all to anything in European politics, but it gets there because a few small amount of people are terminally online and too Americanized.

>>68407428
lawyers are expensive man you're looking at $10000 minimum and years in court for an international employment lawyer

>>68409302
You can't just say
>fuck the rules
whenever you want to. I mean, you can, but take a look at your chaotic society and then come back

>>68396324
keep sucking that corpo dick nijinigger.
EN will be over soon.

>>68409126
>the corporation crating retarded rules is the employee's fault
This is rich. Japanese culture really is fascinating.

>>68409302
I'm not a corporate bootlicker. You are. When I make an agreement I stick to it because I consciously agreed to it. Unlike you, when you give in to any old agreement without any lack of agency then grumble but get fucked because you have no brain, and grumble more, but you go back for seconds. Being an idiot doesn't make you a rebel, it just makes you an idiot.

>>68407428
>This is a cultural problem and shows a great amount of arrogance
can't stop laughing about this part
yeah, I'm sorry JP-tard but the people of the free world thinking for themselves and not taking facts from a central corporate authority isn't a problem, what is a problem is your collective lack of spine to fix what's wrong in your society. but instead of reflecting, you'll get a righteous rage boner and defend your god-given right to die from overwork from some cynical and uncaring Japanese corporation

>>68409920
If it's retarded then why did you agree to it? I can give you a legal document that says you have to pay me 50% of all money you have every month for the rest of your life. If you sign it, who is the retard?

>>68408625
>Japanese fanbase is mainly made up of functional adults

>>68396324
These shitters can't even properly pronounce Ls in their language. Why are we listening to their gargles in EN matters?

>>68410109
But you're not thinking for yourself. How can you describe any of this 4twitter drama as thinking for yourself? Look at the catalogue and see the amount of threads that are just twitter reactions. You call this thinking for yourself? Delusional.

>>68403390
This passive shit mentality is the reasony why a chuuba doesn't like their followers even when the hints are there. I bet you suck clits and get no action.

>>68409817
Do you think there's such thing as a bad rule?
Please think deeply about what the actual point of having rules is. I'll give you a moment.

>>68396693
If they wanted it like that they should've trained japanese bitches to learn english, open up an EN branch and pander to english audience instead of hiring overseas for the quick buck.

>>68396324
Ok, I'm thinkin he's based

>>68410177
And yet the proof is posted every second of every day.

>>68397041
>>68406595
>they hated them because he told the truth
>>68407389
Japan is culturally conquering the world.

>>68410256
Strongly considering going nuts on learning Japanese so I can apply for a Japanese branch of a corpo. The western fanbase always makes me cringe.

>>68410208
the problem with your viewpoint is that the evidence is literally right fucking there for everyone to see
nijisanji's PR disaster they call a "letter" is still online
tweets from creators involved with the video are still online
records of how much Selen paid out of her own pocket and for how long are still online
you're asking people to ignore what's in front of their own two eyes. why?

>>68410439
Too late Fuwawa, you made the bed already.

>>68409997
>implying Niji wouldn't change the terms of the agreement or literally make shit up to justify a termination
Zaion's letter is still up. You can still go read it.

>>68410441
How is you regurgitating more 4twitter drama evidence that you're not just regurgitating 4twitter drama? Delusions never end here.

btw this entire thread is from an EOP larping as a jap
you're wasting your time

Facts, entitled whores have no place in vtubing

>>68410441
Yachtman must have hired some goons to astroturf.
Gotta support the shareholders.

>>68410549
come back once you can actually speak English retard
or even better yet, maybe shut your pretty mouth up for a few days and actually consider what it is that people are discussing. even if you're still going to defend the corpo, you'll sound a lot less retarded.

>>68410517
>Zaion's letter is still up. You can still go read it.
Do you genuinely consider that anything more than a clusterfuck trainwreck? Nothing I can say is as damning as you posting that. You are the bootlicker, the tool, the bottom feeder. You just like to fantasize you're not, and others are. Sayu fucked herself and I guess that's what makes her relatable to you. Again, idiocy is not rebellion.

>>68410208
seeing the popular viewpoint and making your opinion the exact opposite of that is not thinking for yourself, it's contrarian faggotry of the highest order that most people grow out of after they hit 20

>>68410439
I don't think that's gonna work out. Maybe like Coco did but that was 2020 when ENVtubing wasn't even fully born and Vtubing itself was in its infancy.

>>68410676
Read your own posts if you're going to criticize anyone's English, ESL-kun. I couldn't make a stronger argument that you don't think for yourself than you are making right now.

>>68410432
>Japan is culturally conquering the world.
No they aren't lmao, they're fucking bending the knee with the fucking wester sensibilities when they localize the fuck out of Japanese products, it's just gonna go the same route unless they wake up and learn that the shit they do is why people consume japanese shit and not because some corporate localizer fuck is trying to nutter what makes japanese media japanese.

>>68410804
kek. you're not even trying anymore, I'm not feeding more (You)s LARP-kun

>>68410250
There are bad rules, because people are flawed. People are flawed, but that's the main point. People are never going to be perfect, so there will never be perfect rules.
Rules exist to help people and protect them. But the punishment will always be opposed by the one being punished, of course.
When do you enforce the rule then? Someone will be always come out with the short end of the stick.

>>68396542
More importantly, japanese people often complain their society is terrible and repressive, but then defend the very things they hate about their own society purely because "that's what everyone else does".

>>68396324
the japanese are in no way the authority in this matter they only have the termination notice to go by

>>68411096
and years of experience gobbling up corporate cock

>>68410987
Rules in corporations only exist to protect the corporation, retard.

>>68402769
What's this site? 2chan?

>>68410439
Why bother? Nobody is going to watch you anyway homo.

>>68411255
There's a little something called federal regulations. Literally drive up to a bank and learn about it

>>68396324
>I sense an arrogance that they are the ones who set the rules, as is the case with automobiles, semiconductors, steel, and so on.
Holy shit western ingenuity lives rent free in the mind of the wageslaving nip.

>>68411257
JP Yahoo Finance

>>68410987
Much like how zero-tolerance policies in schools offer no actual protection for the school, "rules" offer no justification just because they exist.

Now, if Selen were an employee, mindlessly obeying such rules might be okay, because that's part of the paycheck; if she was really an affiliate though, there would need to be some theoretical benefit to both Selen and Nijisanji.

If the only one to benefit is Nijisanji, and Nijisanji is doing nothing to justify that benefit, then the rules don't matter, because they're being used in bad faith.

>>68410605

>>68396324
>JP opinion
>EN matter
not my problem, its better for anycolor to ditch their WW branches since they cant do shit.

>>68396324
they are right though
who cares about the chinese?

>>68396324
It's only natural for the japs to get nuked because they are retarded

>>68396324
Why do Japanese people tend to side with the corporation as opposed to Westerners who tend to side with the employees?

>>68396324
Same people who will work themselves to early death just because their society tells them to BTW BTW BTW

>>68402716
It literally does

>>68407389
>>68410432

Another reminder that the 'Japanese' copied Tang Chinese culture and government. They have no culture of their own.

>>68411021
This. They are such fucking mindless drones it is depressing.
FIX YOUR FUCKING CORRUPT SOCIETY.
No wonder they keep offing themselves.

>>68396825
That’s all they ever knew, anime is Japanese escapism in its rawest state

>>68396324
Lol they call chinks chinku.

>>68406656
Aren't there some hardcore Nippon Nationalists that hate Chinese or is China's hatred of Japanese one-sided?

The statement that it was correct for her to terminated is not wrong. Selen had the termination coming... but it isn't the termination itself that's the problem.
It's how it was executed and why it had to happen. Anycolor is maliciously and deliberately incompetent. At this point there is no way to believe their incompetence is not deliberate.

>>68396324
moonrunes

This vtuber wasn't even popular in Japan. Even the most liked tweet about her termination only got 4k likes. Go back. Japan doesn't care about her.

>>68396542
In fact, if people speak Japanese they are probably wrong.

So WHO told Selen she was worthless. Do I believe NijiENs statement and it was a liver through internal bullying, or was it management using Black Company tactics? Will the guilty liver get terminated, or does NijiEN condone this behaviour. Why would anyone join or stay at that stage. This shit show isn't over is it?

>>68421309
>does nijien condone this behavior
They denied it even happened in the letter so we won’t know until when/if selen decides to expose them and they’re forced to make a choice

>>68396324
>posts a bunch of tweets by braindead japs that don't bother to read beyond the corpo's statement

yeah, totally "facts"

>>68421427
Reread the letter where did they deny it.

>>68396324
Here I got a translation for ya.
*gargle gargle gargle gargle*
Oh my- ah Riku your cock is so good!
*gargle gargle gargle*
Ah Riku-sama please fuck me!
No... okay... rim you while you fuck someone... okay!
*schlep schlep schlep schlep*
Riku-sama thank you for giving me the privilege to eat out your ass!

>>68396324
REMEMBER THIS WAS ALL BECAUSE OF GRADUATION MONEY THAT SHE CAN'T HAVE. NOW SHE CAN GET THAT TOMORROW ON HER STREAMS. WOMEN ONLY WANTS MONEY FROM MEN.

>>68421908
Kill yourself ndf.

>>68419779
Sure but a lot of these reads like faggots using Google translators.

>>68409322
Non-"Americanized" Europeans also would think this is a shit decision.
This is simply a flat out PR disaster

>>68410258
Oh right I forgot about that aspect, nothing's more racist then Asians are on each other.

>>68396324
Japanese people really are the worst. If your "oshi" is Japanese, I suggest immediately changing who you support with your money.

>>68396693
Just like Anime, two bombs were not enough and one more should've been dropped.

>>68396693
Modern Japan was made by the US

>>68396693
Vtubing was made by Americans.

>>68396324
All I see in that picture is
>YUMMY BOOT! LICK LICK THANK YOU CORPORATE MASTA!

>>68408625
There are no functional adults in japan, that's an oxymoron

>>68396990
Nijisanji fucked up a lot in this whole thing, especially in how they handled the termination announcement, but it's pretty obvious that encouraging people to reupload the music video on their own channel was going to get Selen into a lot of trouble with them and there's not really any reason she shouldn't have seen that move ending very badly.

>>68422639
History started in 1776

>>68422681
>it's pretty obvious that encouraging people to reupload the music video on their own channel was going to get Selen into a lot of trouble with them
Why are people still pretending like she didn't know where this was going? This was the last straw for her. She did it on purpose. That doesn't mean Niji's actions were justified or intelligent at all, and worst of all it should have never gotten this bad for her.

How is there anyone defending Anycolor? It's impossible to play devil's advocate for them.

>>68396324
simps:
simps, JP: basedjack.jpg

>>68422773
Jp loyalists can't be reasoned with

>>68422793
>simp
That word should lead to an autoban on this board
Only cancerous normalfags use it

>>68396324
Niji defense force ACTIVATE!!!!
Get that tongue in Rikus asshole NOW!
He needs another yacht you see?

Reminder that this isn't just about Niji.
Mel's termination was accepted by everyone because only Japanese people were involved.

>>68410258
>チンク
Now I know it's either written by JSL or google translate'd. It's literally transliterated.

>>68403631
>neutral JP perspective
>check comment history
>either nothing or cover, cover, cover, cover, cover
hmmm

>>68422324
>>68410258
>Licking girls boots
>BAD
>Licking corporation boots
>GOOD!

Japbros?...

>>68422829
NTA but I say it's fine in this case, pathetic corporate bootlicking on your level is in fact, literally simpleton behaviour, I even got to use literally correctly here too

>>68396693
They should have stayed in Japan instead of trying to organize something internationally and failing horribly because of their incompetency. Totally incapable of any self-critique and shameless when throwing their own employees under the bus. What a fucking imbecile corporate culture.

Did vt just realise how small and nonexistant the en branch is to jp, or en tubers in general is in Japan? I guess the west been on that holo high for so long, the only agency that rely on oversea fans for any kind of relevancy, they thought their opinions in actual corpa matters in the home scene.

>>68422773
Saying that Selen made some poor decisions is not the same as defending Nijisanji, everyone can see that they have major problems with their management. Pomu was clearly fed up with a lot of management's shit too, but she handled it like an adult and left gracefully.

>>68423172
EN tubers are bigger than JP vtubers. Holo EN almost entirely eclipses holo JP. It's really just Niji where this is reversed because they sabotage EN at every turn. Cover tried to sabotage holo EN but they grew too big too fast to be contained.

>>68423260
It means nothing, it only feels bigger because it's in your sphere of influence and life, in japan holo merch and holo influence in almost all branch of entertainment and promotion pales in comparison to niji. You don't seem to understand just how big niji is in japan.

>>68423340
It doesn't feel bigger, it IS bigger.

>>68423260
>Holo EN almost entirely eclipses holo JP
Anon what the fuck drugs are you on?

>>68423183
Pomu's notice was put in sometime shortly before January 5th. The timing would put it after this whole shitshow even happened, likely as a result of what they did to Selen as well as her reaction.

Using her as a guideline is a bit disingenuous.

>Saying that Selen made some poor decisions is not the same as defending Nijisanji
I agree with you though.

>>68423456
Gura is the biggest vtuber.

>>68423523
Now you remember cookie swirl exist

>>68423777
Ok sure she exists. That's another vtuber that is NOT JAPANESE.
JP vtubers are just not at the top.