/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://jiggie.fun/5OSY9t

>>68387764
ME when I find her

cat sex

Love you Pippa.

>>68387791

Runie is my wife.

awa

Pippa love~!

Jelly is Toad from Mario Bros

NO PIPPANTS

NO PIPPANTIES

Last thread was boring. Start shitposting better!

+1 (Yuu)

I love Shiina!

OK guys. I've been coming to the general every day for the past 41 weeks so that basically makes me an oldfag. I deserve a ritualpost but I don't know what to spam the thread with. Spoonfeed me ideas that would annoy you the most.

IT'S IN THE GAME

>>68387764
Who's the guy behind pippa?

>>68387896
No she's Jerry from Phase World

>>68387905
hmmmmmmm
nyo

>remembered Lumi
grim

>I'd give Lumy

>>68387971
me

[Runie News] She TRUSTS

Sex eith me(Runie)

any phase for this feel?

Runie this Ruseday sucks

>>68387791
>>68387884
NOW (Literally right now)
Amanogawa Shiina (LIVE | Drawing Phase In Chinese Dresses)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBKbUSO-l0
Runie Ruse (LIVE | Zatsu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xYaNqmJA8

SOON
Pipkin Pippa (10m | Exit 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL-Dpxej_E
Chisaka Airi (10m | Infinite Craft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOnp8x_wMWM

LATER
Utatane Nasa (2h10m | Japan Trip Recommendations)
https://www.youtube.com/@UtataneNasa/streams
Himemiya Rie (2h10m | Date with Death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bEwjCc4Qc
Gram Pico (5h10m | Jong)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx6BXte53Ws
Kokoromo Memory (7h10m | Poppy Playtime 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxj7t0nqjZA
Erina Makina (8h10m | Infinite Craft)
https://www.youtube.com/@ErinaMakina/streams
Kokoromo Memory (11h10m | ASMR)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktrL8oXSLaY
Kannagi Loki (12h10m | Something / Shorts)
https://www.youtube.com/@kannagiloki/streams

BONUS
Hanamori Natsumi (4h10m | Yakuza)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHTvMu1GY-8

Girls without a current schedule:
Saya

>>68387896
and Muyu laughs like Teemo at times

>>68388053
all of them

>>68387983
It's over. the grim reaper is now going to come a knockin' and will strangely smell of lemons.

>>68387971

Honestly, Pippa should do a thighhigh reveal for her 333k stream

>>68387951
Okay, now you are just trolling us. At least make 'em squib, yeah?

>>68388053
no

Runie sounds like a white girl

>>68388053
Nasa
I won't elaborate

>Who is hime???
This stream is a soundpost mine

>>68387791
>>68387884
>>68388060

fucking hell why is this woman defined by her tits

>>68388152
Good work gumshoe

Hey Pippa, you're pretty stinky today

>>68388114
Fuck you, now I have to make an edit.

VOTE
https://poal.me/ney1h8

>>68388145
Should've been the sounds post one, now I'm disappointed...

>>68388216
Excellent. I refuse to be the only bearer of the shit pippa edits curse.

>>68388196
I mean, have you SEEN those things?

>>68388053
is this pic real??

>>68388296
How dare you, my edits have been shit.

The panko clip still makes me laugh every single time.
>all eyes on you
>no eyes on me

>>68388245
>Discuss this poll
Mein kiwi friend what are you doing kek.

>>68388114
Nice

>>68387764
Theres no way pippa wasn't slightly aroused when she made this image. What is it with women and fantasizing about rape?

Do we trust in this thread?

Complete!

>>68388053

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNR61yueeBU

I just tuned in
What's Runie doing

Runie is literally my girlfriend.

>>68388439
me

>>68388330
no some of the pixels are off
I think this is the original

>>68387906
please dont steal my ritual post, especially if youre going to fuck it up that hard.

>>68388439
amnesia erp

>>68388439
Se pegó tremendo palo en la cabeza.

Fishman is just a cellist away from having the most cultured vtuber company.
Can (you) imagine a piano trio playing Schubert or Rachmaninoff with Lumi, Uruka and a third girl?

>>68388439
i fucked her brains out and now we're seeing the results

>>68388415
GOD I want to FUCK Uruka. So BAD.

>sus video game
SHE KNOWS???

>>68388439
GFE

>That sus video game
Runie read Euphoria!

>>68388408
>Panko
Wao!/10 but thighs could be thicker

>Lia
Wao!/10 I love her hair

>>68388577
why are you surprised

>>68388534
Can Lumi even still play the piano?

>>68388408
sexo

>>68388617
Off course she did.

>>68388667
she played a bit on stream some months ago and said she was pretty rusty

>>68388534
Nasa drums, pippa played the clarinet, jelly can produce

Pippa is still downloading the game btw

>>68388403
always

>>68388743
Wouldn't surprise me

>>68388663
Normies know the Hentai, Real Niggas know the VN.

>>68388743
5 minutes before stream start is the best time to download the game yes.

>>68388789
why did Lia read the VN anyway
is she a masochist?

>>68388743
she's waiting for runie to end

Pippa doko?

>>68388873
Aside from literal shit, the story is pretty good

Tenma rused Runie

PIPPA LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL-Dpxej_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL-Dpxej_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL-Dpxej_E

>>68387825

>>68388873
The vn is kino.

>for some reason i feel like i know a lot of hags
rude

>>68388918
Retard

PIPPA CUTE!
PIPPA CUTE!!!!!!!!!

>>68388918
lol
lmao

>>68388873
>is lia a masochist
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read, of course she isn't. That'd be stupid.

Bros why is she so cute today?

>>68389092
That bear? Me

>>68388623
>>68388415
>>68388563
Between the speech therapy paying off and changing how she sounds, the massively improved mood and the design going from dorky to elegant her new outfit feels more like a genuine redebut.
I think that might be a genuinely good thing.

I only have 3 more pals to finish my paldex, probably wont get them tonight though.

Plapkin plippa.

Rukiss

>>68389092
Hair flowers and bow

>>68389092
I want to hug her

>>68389092
Apology arc next question.

>>68389152
Plapkin Plappa

>>68389092
Pippa would have more than one stuffed animal but I guess she didn't have the patience to wait for me to come out of the Walmart bathroom lmao

>>68388296
As good as its gonna get.

happy black history month /pcg/!!

>>68389280
Ai!

[Pippa News] She has nothing on her lap rn (yeah me, I'm nothing)

Runie's swirly eyes are triggering my mind control fetish

I love Panko.
I will always love Panko.
Not a day goes by where I don't think about how much I love Panko.

lil snake

Color anons get to work coloring this!!!!!!

>>68389156
Yeah
me

>can like super chats now
wow what a useful feature, good thing they worked on that instead fixing the buffering problem

>Pippa implying she won't be busy on Valentines day

>>68389333
Komachi Panko is my favorite vtuber of color!

what’s with pippa’s obsession with stuffed animals

Nothing planned for valentines. I'm not surprised, just a bit disappointed.

alright everyone, as i’m sure you’ve heard, the true phase connect streamer has gone live

>>68389466
What do you mean anon? Clearly its your fault its buffering :)

>>68389333
h...happy black history month

>>68387908
+1 Yuu

>>68389390
Nah.

>>68389497
Anxiety.

Now this is a good fucking PNG.

>>68389390
Why do the colored anons gotta do the work though?

>>68389497
She's traumatized and yet she just keeps falling for it

Runie moans....

>>68389513
Hell yeah.

>>68389333
nigger

>>68389333
i wonder why nigger "history" month is the shortest month of the year
really makes you think

>>68389497
Mental illness.

>>68389613
Shiina is too busy grandpa-proofing her home.

>>68389333
Ayo

The entire time Runie played this game she refused to bump into the guy because she thought something bad would happen

>>68389390
I want to grab Panko by the hair rings and face fuck her

>>68389466
Youtube has added some weird features lately.
If someone says "smash that like button" or "smash that subscribe button", that button will actually have a rainbow outline for a moment. This only works on videos, not streams.
Also, if you scroll through your feed for a while, you'll see a weird option to choose a color (red, green, or blue) and you'll get a feed of videos that have thumbnails that are mostly that color.

I want to know what the fuck they're smoking.

>>68389617
Man I love these

Do Europeans celebrate black history month?

>>68389497
Shes a woman, but also why dont you like stuffed animals? They are soft and cute and you can hug them. They are like women but you can touch them

>>68389497
Surely you've met a woman or 20 who have rooms filled with plushies or squishmallows or whatever the fuck yeah?

My girlfriend Runie

>>68389784
Only France

THE SOUTHERN ACCENT

Runie is doing the southernbelle RP again.

>short hair with the flower pins
I want to take her to get ice cream wtf is this feeling

>thread goes to shit when Pippa stream

>>68389784
do americans

>>68389390
I want to bury my face in Panko's tail

>>68389784
Ye but it's not a month. It's black history year, every year in Germany.

>>68389700
Love me some chocolate bunnies.

>>68389855
Anon you have to keep it together, you're gonna have a heart attack at this point.

>>68389879
Its far worse when she cancels stream, would you rather have that shitshow?

>>68389879
>Thread becomes on topic when Pippa streams
>Antis start seething

>>68389760
I think the rainbow shit's a manual trigger, that's just when most choose to do it.

>>68389605
It is.

I LOVE RUNIE!

>>68389999
>2050x3072

>>68389879
>when Pippa stream

>>68389855
>>68389857
She's not a witch, she's a fucking succubus and about to drain me dry if she does it again.

>sent 10k+ usd worth of akasupas to pippa so far
>still not reading my chat
i hate this pink rabbit and myself

>>68390038

>>68389941
>thread is bad when Pippa streams
>thread is even worse when she cancels
What is the common factor in this?

>>68390076
grim

Sex with Runie

>>68390076
skill issue

>>68389879
it went shit at 5pm pacific

>>68390074
Are you a member? You're gonna die with that southernbelle ASMR.

>>68390098
Pippa is the protagonist of phase connect.

>>68390098
Fags seething about Pippa.

>>68389092
no need to thank me bros

>>68390076
Is that you pipkun?

pippa..

>>68390100
That's better, anon was complaining the image size was small

>>68390076
>sent 0 usd to Pippa
>she has read my chats on many occasions

>>68390003
>>68390115
Fools, I'll take Perona while you're distracted!

>>68390076
>10k+ usd worth of akasupas to pippa so far
There is no fucking way people whale that hard for vtubers.

>>68390098
(You)

>>68389948
I don't think the rainbow thing is a trigger. Older videos have it now too. Even recordings of the feature, showing how ridiculous it is, have it.
It probably works by checking the auto-generated subtitles, which explains why it doesn't happen on streams.

>>68389605
datum was retained

>>68389784
only britain

>>68390076
>never donated
>she literately just read my chat

>>68390212
She wishes they were that big

>>68390191
Same, its an unironic skill issue. You need to time it, and also not write shit unless you're just trying to one guy her.

Rie to graduate in 2 more weeks.

>>68390076
post receipts

What is this dynamic Runie has with Runatics?

Runie is being cute today. I don't like it.

>>68390098
(You)

shiina is a pankophile

>>68389227
And anon jinxed it by recognizing it, calling it right now.

>>68390076
good bait here's a (you)

>>68390268
Downfall of male society

>>68389605
ooo ooo do one with short hair flower pippa!

Shiina is (here)

Alright /pgc/ here's a thought I had today and I'm curious what your thoughts are:
>pick one talent or several you like
>the amount of money you need to donate in ONE single donation to get them talking with you in your dms
This is what I'm thinking for myself
>Wemi
>$25,000
>Muyu
>$22,500
>Eimi
>$12,500
>Runie
>$9,500
>Dizzy
>$5,000
>Yuu
>$2,000
>Hina
>$850
>Saya
>$800
>Uruka
>$5oo

>Pippa doesn't know how to play
Does this game not come with any instructions because no streamer I've seen play it has known what to do

So did this super embarrassing thing that happened get less embarrassing and now she doesn't need to mention it or?

>>68390321
>>68390376
I'm gonna leech!!

>>68390210
I remember a video saying something along the lines of "watch this button light up isn't it dumb" when it first rolled out.

KIRSCHE IN THE PIPPA TELLY

>suckers
Yeah with all the bitos they're sucking something alright

>>68390426
Isn't this game like PT?

>>68390268
GFE

>>68390376
Panko made this post

Runie kissu

>>68390389
>/pgc/

>>68390376
All of them have been and are still /here/

>>68390389
Muyuu is less
Runie is a lot more
Dizzy is free
Hina never will

I like how Pippa rushed through the first few instances without paying attention so now she has no idea what changed and what not.

>you really came through
I certainly did

>>68390212
Tits way too big.

>>68390376
meds

Pippa is just gonna have chat tell her everything.
Runie's playthrough was kino

>>68389390
run it through ai

she is quite good at using those expression toggles. half of the time i don't even notice she turned them on

>>68390246
this one has been my vivaldi speed dial background since I found it. god I would fuck Pippa

>>68390504
>Dizzy is free
You know what, I have a feeling you're right.
What do you think it is for Muyu?

>>68390389
>Pippa
>$0
I'm a 2 view male and willing to harass her on twitter and /here/ for a collab

this is shiina >>67788548

>>68390389
why'd you make the zeroes in uruka's two Os instead

>>68390452
Uh oh. Looks like Kirsche the Hutt is planning to push Luke Skywalker into the Sarlacc pit to stop woke Disney from creating the sequel trilogy.

>>68390606
I love the tummy in that one

>>68390451
That's probably because the word "button" was said. I've seen reports that movies and shows have the button light up because a character just says the word "like".

did pippa explain the embarrassing moment yet? I just got in the stream

>>68390353

>>68390512
She's used to playing walking sim horror games please understand.

>>68390605
Sakana seriously knows how to pick 'em.

>>68390628
You know how sometimes price tags will just put the 00 or 99 cents in superscript without the decimal point? She's five bucks

Do we trust her?

what does she say irradiate like that

>>68390641
THAT FRAME IS FROM THE PHANTOM MENACE

>>68390675
Yeah. About 45 minutes in. Rewind the vod.

>>68390596
First Pippa stream?

>>68390641
Kek.

Runie is LEWD

>>68390652
That could be it then, I guess.

>>68390628
I couldn't decide if it should be $5.00 or $500 so I left it more ambiguous to play it safe.
What do you think it should be?

>>68390730
The shadow leader of the clique? Fuck no.

>bruh, Pippa, check your DM's
sigh...

[Pippa News] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mko5Y8QUEjI

>>68390376
>like is republicar in spanish
Seriously nigga?

>>68390312
You say this every day, Maria.

>Runie learning the people in her chat
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Is this what true GFE is?

>>68390598
Shiina said not to tho.

Pippa News: Time for the embarrassing story.

>>68390842
I think that's retweet, anon. Me gusta are the likes

>>68390441
yeah how dare someone like their coworker

>>68390376
>Cuckies are latinx
Not surprised.

>>68390842
Like is Me Gusta
Rebublicar is Repost (Republish)

>>68390842
it's "repost"

>>68390873
I also love when vtubers show favoritism and enable groomers.

>>68389784
UK does it in October

>>68390842
that's repost (republish) you moron

>>68390389
From how stunned Jelly was at the 1k birthday, dono i would say 1.5k

>>68390904
Yes, and?

>>68390842
Surely you're just pretending to be retarded, right?xvnv

>>68390842
Huh? like is me gusta, and republicar is basically retweet.

>>68390929
Mrs. Raid me aka Shiina strikes once again.

her worried eyebrows alongside the spiral eyes are doing things to me.

>>68390679
Thank you anon!!! I love it
it ain't much but have this screencap

>>68390981
>1k birthday, dono
holy smokes

>>embarrassing situation
NNNOOOOOO!!! I WANT MORE HALLWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>68390873
She knows how to play ya’ll so well
Now go throw her another 10
>>68390946
this

Good Lord Pippa is cute today

>>68390873
That chatter? Me.

Stop giving free (Yuu)s

>>68391040
tenma makes me so mad

>>68390873
Yeah all for me

>>68390904
Nobody cares about Shiina, run it through ai.

MALE IN PIPPA’S HOUSE

>>68390923
>>68390939
>>68390943
>>68390954
>>68391012
>>68391017
So many spanish people here

PIPPA HAD A MAN OVER WHILE HER PARENTS WERE GONE

LIVE ON STREAM RIGHT NOW

>>68391110
yea, me.

>>68391110
>>68391126
yeah me

one eye is larger than the other.

>>68390938
Im the only southamerican I already checked.

>>68390842
>>68391119
>Doesn't know Me Gusta
You gotta be 18 to post here

is this story just to bait retards into getting a 3 day?

>>68391119
*Latinx
Also yes most of phase fans are SEA or latinx.

>>68391043
Dang it
> birthday dono, i would
I fixed it.

>>68391126
The """"electrician""""

>>68390500
MEDS NOW

What was that in Pippa's house?...... her brother?

>>68391119
They don't understand English, so I had to learn how to tell them to keep out in a language they'd understand.

>>68390076
>doesn't donate
>use ads block
>not member
>not sub to her channel
She read every messages I type, seem like a skill issue

>>68391110
yeah me

>>68391185
there certainly were sparks flying, heh

>Pippa electrician NTR voice pack for Valentine's Day this year
Cuckpipi status?

>>68391185
Mr.electrician.

Pippa had a mexican in her house.

>>68391126
>>68391150

that man? me

Why is Pippa cuckposting on stream I thought (you) said she didn't do that anymore
>electrician
Does she think everyone is a newfag harine who doesn't know

>>68390679
yoink

I've got a story from this weekend that's more embarrassing than anything Pippa is about to say
>go to store after a long day of work and barely any sleep
>walking towards my car and go to open it
>suddenly it locks before my hand reaches the door
>click the unlock on my keys again
>the car next to it unlocks
>I look behind me and there's a woman who clearly owns the car I was about to get in
>she gives me a weird look
>without saying anything I walk around her car and get into mine
>i avert my gaze until I know she's driven away

Hi, are you the electrician?

>>68391230
ask me how I know you're brown

>>68391185
yeah me

>>68391182
No, I understood what you meant. I was just taken back that she got a 1K birthday donation.
That's nicee.

>>68391191
>her brother?
She doesn't have a brother

>>68391110
I’m that electrician!

Yes, she was as cringe as she says.

>>68391249
This is shocking

>We're walking around btw

Why the fuck does pippa stream in non soundproof house

>>68391191
>her brother
Baffling post.

>>68391255
No. The OTHER electrician

I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE YOU DUM RABBIT GIVE ME MORE HALLWAYS

>>68391185
>Pippa ordered a male stripper! >:/

Pippa doesn't understand breakers.

I don't enjoy Phase Connect anything, but she piques my interest.

>>68391341
Why would her parents have a soundproof house?

The "electrician" flipped Pippa's switch. Capipi status?

>rabbit doesn't know you have to reset the breaker
sasuga

>electrician come to flip her switch
Totally not cuckposting

>women really pay men to do the simplest tasks for them
It's honestly more embarrassing than men paying for a woman's onlyfans

>>68390938
im actually italian

>>68391257
Yeah, me ese

absolutely based electrician

woman moment

>>68391410
Shocked

>Walk of shame
She's doing it on purpose kek

https://files.catbox.moe/htwqln.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/rarwax.mp4

>>68391357
Haven't you already seen this game played a gorillion times?
I'm here for Pippa's random bullshit man.

I'm not in the Pippa stream, I'm watching Runie.
What's going on? Was the guy talking to her?

>>68391398
you can stay, so long as you at least try some of the other talents

my old top 3: Runie, Hina, Dizzy
New top 3: Dizzy, Hina, reccomendations?

>>68391087
That's rood. Shiina took time to draw these wonderful creations and you want to go against her wishes.

Oh. Thread is going to be extremely bad. You all enjoy your cuckpipi stream.

>>68391387
Kinda sounds like the power issue was further up the line, and by the time everything was fixed, Pippa broke it.

>>68391357
>Waaa! More game! More game!

It’s a simple and dumb game and she knows it. She gonna play the escalator one next?

I love this autistic retard so fucking much.

>>68391412
That's not it, you don't understand either.
She either flipped them all right or all left, meaning half were off.

wew that story was painful

Pippa is really low IQ...

she does it on purpose, im angry.

It was Colress

At least say hydraulic instead of electrician lol. The bitch has a cuck fetish.

>>68391461
>>68391498
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>68391521
What story? All I heard was electrician and then a bunch of cuck noises

>>68391481
Runie

Pippa actually is a retard.

>>68391481
Why are you dropping Runie?

What next pippa? a pizza guy story?

>>68391518
either she was cycling breakers with the main breaker off or they were tripped and she didn't reset them

>>68391444
Bon jorno

man, i love this dum woman so much

Something like that happened to me once too. 10 years later and I am still thinking about it, trying to rationalize that it wasn't my fault.

>that face when you're in Runie's stream and not getting dabbed on by Pippa and the electrician
I am sorry for you though bros.

why would she think that he would assume she's a youtuber type, im really angry now.

>>68391484
Shiina should take time in sucking a cock on stream next time.

If you unironically use the word "cuck" you should have posting rights revoked for a year.

>>68391495
No, I bet she didn't realize the breakers on both sides are mirrored. She probably flipped all of them either to the left or the right.

>be me
>be journeyman electrician tradebro
>get called out to a house in the middle of the night
>arrive, get out of van
>i hear noises from the house
>start approaching the house
>hear screams
>hear moans
>cautiously ring doorbell
>girl comes down
>her face is flushed
>she follows me to the breaker box
>she awkwardly stands there watching me
>i think she has asperger's or something
>i look at the breaker box
>she turned half the switches off
>i turn them back on
>she looks at the box, then at me
>her face goes red
>i don't have the heart to charge her, plus she's making me nervous
>"don't worry about it"
>leave
>floor it

>>68391551
>hydraulic
You mean a plumber

I think runie is kinda like miori but less overt GFE

At least he was nice about it.
Sometimes tradies get incredibly spiteful and judgmental.

>>68391444
Are you the Guido with the micropenis?

pippa is a smart bunny

>>68391623
The power went out, she fucked with the breakers, the power came back on, and the breakers remained fucked.
She explained all of this.

Is it normal for the electrician to come at 8-9pm?

the electrician? Me, I asked her to suck me off instead

Runie's angry noises are so fucking cute holy fuck

>>68391665
>less overt
alright

>parents were gone
>rezuul cancelled his stream over otherwise normal weather so he was free to be on call
>pippa cancelled the same day
>house isn't soundproofed
Makes sense why she skipped stream :^)

>>68391261
Are you implying only oldfags cuckpost? Very interesting... makes sense

I love Runie

The way she teased this story on Twitter I thought it would be more interesting

>>68391743
It would be 6:38pm pacific time. Not too late.

With how fast Pippa is going down these hallways I bet she gets caught by the fast walking guy

>>68391488
Check'd mein Fuhrer

>>68391638
>餛飩 girl

>>68391567
>Power fucked up
>Electrician showed up
>Literally just reset the breaker
>Makes loud Pippa noises of embarrassment for 2 minutes

>>68391470
Not really, it was an electrician cause her power went out over the weekend. He walks in, flips a switch, power comes back and he says she doesn't need to pay her.

>>68391638
>saying this while using a picture of Shiina
lmao

>>68391665
Don't put that curse on her

Pippa will be the next one to graduate from Nijisanji.

>>68391770
Stop noticing.

>>68391665
>less overt
retard

I don't watch Pippa but it really does seem like some of you do have actual cuck fantasies involving her.

>>68391255
>>68391356
heh
good riddance am I right

:^)

>>68391488
I am mr electrician.

>>68391826
How is Pippa even alive?

>>68391622
i lied, im half italian but at least i know it means good morning but 3am is still night for me so thanks
>>68391722
>Guido
no
>micropenis?
its a bit larger than that but also no