/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://twitter.com/AlmaKallis/status/1754890191838359562
doki's dokis

DOKIBIRD LOVE

>>68352711
Beautiful Blonde Princess!

Do you think Doki will get a new outfit when she gets a new model?

>>68353254
At least post Sauce bro! Also Sexx!!
https://twitter.com/AnkoRisu/status/1754868823025393716

I hug birds

Praise the Big Beautiful Doki Booba!

>>68353299
Sorry I forgot, thanks!

>>68353254
I would think so, that's half the hype.
Also her outfit is a little bland atm though cute still

>>68352711
Cute OP!

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>>68353470
Praise those Fat Fucking Birb Milkers!

>>68353470

I want everyone to be honest with me.

Don't you think Dokibird's actions have harmed the remaining Nijisanji livers?

Do you honestly think they're happy that their jobs are going to get more stressful from Dokibird doing this? They have to pay bills and make a living too.

>But sh-
Yes, she hurt herself because she couldn't wait for approval of a music video, in which she labeled it as bullying, it didn't involve any form of harassment or anything as such.

>But people normally don't do thi-
Do you understand how menhera she is? Do you know the other events where she suddenly became depressed over the smallest things? Remember when she became depressed over losing at Apex or when chat gave some harmless banter, she viewed it as too much and Pomu had to step in and tell chat to stop because she was becoming too sad.

Dokibird is a mentally ill woman, which isn't her fault, yet she's trying to make herself a bullied victim when none of this has happened, we need to remember this.

If you're upset by what I'm saying then can you correct the wrongs of my statement? I will wait...

I oppose Doki with huge boobs, I prefer them normal, as she intended.

>>68352038
What if tho it wasnt Millie at all, but staff. Allegedly, the tweet happened when the witch was taking an SM break.

I ain't reading all that

>>68353968
She literally commissioned someone to draw her with Massive Milkers though, Bro! She likes having Big Milkers!

Is it some modified Mikeneko copypasta?

>>68353966
Glad your job will get more difficult for you, Enna

Based dramaretards bumping the thread so I can see Dokie's dokies easier
I'm not replying tho rumao

Someone really took the time to write all that BS.

>>68354057
It could have been both but gumi's statements heavily imply it was the livers.
>b-but doki didn't say it herself!
Gumi was acting as an intermediary relaying messages for Doki while Selen was suspended, she has insider knowledge and is a trustworthy source.

>>68353968
I don't oppose but normal is cute and I'm more of a cute enjoyer

>>68353968
I like both. She's already super cute and I love blonde hair and green eyes.

I think it's possible for Doki to be both THICC and Cute. Or at least pudgy/chubby in a cute and appealing way.

>>68354219
I just desperately hope that truly is not Millie's work/Millie was just forced to. I've seen her since before Ethyria. I'd be disappointed if she truly got corrupted/she let crab mentality take over like many of our kind abroad

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>>68353966
That didn’t happen, but they deserve it

>>68353968
Doki can present her persona however she wants, but I would wait to see how the inevitable new model looks. Time and experience can change one's perspective. So she may actually give herself Selen-sized booba.

>>68353966
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.

fuck off NDF

>>68353966
>Don't you think Dokibird's actions have harmed the remaining Nijisanji livers?

Dokibird's actions are a consequence of Nijisanji's mismanagement and downright malicious lack of care, at the end of the day, the core issue is and will always be Anycolor, therefore any suffering the current Nijistreamers might suffer from will be Anycolor's fault.

>handing out (you)s

>>68353966
2 more weeks sis

>68353966
No but I think the remaining liver's actions will harm the remaining livers In fact I'm praying for it

https://twitter.com/NotePhantom/status/1754674206971666859

>>68354219
i'm still sticking with unintentional perception
>millie, enna, reimu are message selen she didn't do something right since they have experience with covers and approval
>those girls are replying under the assumption that management know what they're doing and that management will eventually give selen approval, without knowing this project was already given approval a year ago
>anyone reading the text replies without knowing the girls' intentions would assume they're sandbagging selen
a vanta phrase: don't assume someone's bad, assume they're stupid

I'm glad Doki doesn't have to hetbait anymore.

I want to headpat doki and tell her that she deserves all the love coming her way

Does anyone actually doubt that she was harassed/bullied by a liver? I thought Gumi's tweet was enough, why would she mention "parasocial" if it was just about staff

>>68353966
Nijisanji is such a trash company that even Pomu bailed from it. At most Doki just accelerated it's inevitable downfall.

>>68355024
>Gumi's tweet
What tweet, I'm ootl.

Kys nijifans

>>68354883
Fuck outta here with that shite, I bet you enjoy yuribait, unicorn

>>68355187
>>68354883
None of these words are in the Bible

>>68354102
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>>68354724

So you couldn't answer this and believe your feelings with no truth behind them...are facts?

How very sad

>>68354485
If an employee harms themselves because they have breached a contract, do you believe the company is responsible for their suicidal attempt?

I want everyone to remember this, Dokibird harmed herself because management needed to check and approve certain things for a music video. That's it, it was Dokibird who took the extreme route of self-harming and implying that Nijisanji did this to her, so now her actions have affected the other livers who need to make a living. How do you think they feel or do you even care about that?

It's okay if you don't want to answer, there will be some surprises in the future that will show you about your precious Dokibird though

I really hope YouTube doesn't see a ton of activity on Doki's channel and then cull memberships

>>68353966
Move along Nijinigger this is a Dokibird neighborhood ya hear. And if y'all don't stay out things might get a lil peculiar if you catch my drift. See I'm whatin they might call a professional Niji Breaker. I reckon I've been breaking Nijis since you were 6 corncobs high. To be perfectly honest I don't give a damn about your little black company so long as I can keep breaking Nijiniggers. And to be perfectly honest I have no intention of taking part in your spectacle of circular argumentation and whataboutisim that y'all take part in. I have but one mission but to break as many of you Nijiniggers as I can before the Lord whisks me away from this earth where I will hopefully be allowed to break Nijiniggers in paradise.

Now scat or bend over because it's breaking season.

reddit spacing

>>68354883
She never did that to begin with retarded tourist

>68355230
You were going so well until that spoiler outed you, you don't even deserve a you, lil' schizo

What are some good Doki VODs?

>>68355586
tomato

If you were the head of an actual successful Vtuber company, how would you convince Doki to join you?

>>68355586
Been watching her Portal one for a bit recently, classic Dumb Brain moments there.

>>68355663
Threaten her physically

>>68355663
By being literally the company that is tailor-made for her persona.

>>68355663
Monthly box of tangerines

>>68355422
I can't wait for her to stream baby games again.

>>68355663
I'd have sex with her.
It wouldn't work, but that's fine.

>>68355074
Unfortunately it got deleted and it's on archive.org. Here's the url, you can search in archives to see how people reacted, probably some people quoted it as well. Essentially she talked about how people who seem really nice on stream can be real snakes behind closed doors.
https://twitter.com/vgumihoe/status/1753512692466561370

>>68355663
Our benefit package includes therapy

>>68355774
>you get suspended for teabagging
>you get suspended for shooting the death box
>you get suspended for lewds
>tailor-made for her persona

Doki follows NotKuro.

>>68353966
her actions are "committing female suicide, asking to leave on good terms earlier than this"
I agree that the first part is unambiguously bad, harmful to the self and everyone around you. The male variant is even worse, as it more often results in a death. But by itself this would not have harmed nijisanji's reputation.
nijisanji's actions are "firing her in a clearly cynical and bad faith way"
1. punish her for leaving, to discourage the others
2. soil her reputation, to discourage the competition and to retain her audience
3. prepare themselves for any legal complaints that might be brought
nijisanji's defensive actions are what did the harm to their reputation. They learned nothing from this same pattern occurring with Zaion. The the guilty flee when no men pursueth.

>>68355017
disgusting...

I don't think there's a need to be stalking her follows

https://twitter.com/dickydoboy/status/1754891779654950953

>>68356421
There's no need, but if you know anything about /vt/ you know it's gonna happen.

>>68355230
Enna, no matter what you or any other nijiorgan says, you're all not going to be believed, you guys pushed a girl into suicide attemp and then fired her without notice when she wanted out wit amicable terms, even fucking moist critickal and asmongold say you're pieces of shit, ot's truly over.

>>68355230
I believe my feelings because that’s what a real anime harem protagonist would do

>>68353966
>Don't you think Dokibird's actions have harmed the remaining Nijisanji livers?
LMAO I don't care
She already left that shithole

Did anyone post this yet? She said some stuff in chat earlier

oc, please AI GODS dunnot steel

>>68356655
>speedrunning monetization
Classic selen, glad she’s back

I cant ship them they look too much alike
Doki turn your hair purple or something

>>68356237
I'm genuinely incredulous that they tried the same bullet point shit that already blew up in their face with zaion, especially since there's no devil's advocate way to see where they even potentially could be coming from this time.

>>68356664
dokiboobs, sorry I mean dokibobs, shit, uh boobybird fuck

I'll only say this, the main reason I didn't believe they would suspend (and then ultimately terminate) her over the Cover/MV, was because it would be fucking stupid for a business like theirs to do something that would ultimately tank whatever remained of their reputation. So it overall sounded a bit far fetched to me at the time.
I was ultimately wrong about them not being that stupid, because ofc they'd turn out to be so astronomically stupid, but I wasn't wrong about it completely tanking their reputation... (At least in the West anyways, where this shit normally wouldn't fly at least)

>>68356802
Their dickriders convinced them that Zaion was an amazing firing and PR move
They thought they could pull off another greatest hits

do! ki! coin!
do! ki! coin!

>230
Do you really talk like that irl? You type like you got negative bitches.
"I want everyone to-" no one cares nigga, you don't have authority on anyone to act like this. We're on a vtuber board dude, it already looks sad as it is.
The livers that I doubt you actually care about will be fine after their short breaks.

>>68356655
>>68356758
First message was already posted in the last bread but yeah, you love to see it!! So happy to see her bouncing back and taking the initiative so quickly, I hope she finds further happiness and success very soon...

>>68356655
I was asking in a previous thread about why anyone would want to join a corpo anymore, and people gave me some good responses, but this reminds me of another point I forgot to mention. Because people can still get managers even as indies and having a manager is ostensibly supposed to be a benefit of corpos. Yet it seems to me like this is one thing that is actually way better for indies.

>"Riku Tazumi was the owner and operator of one of the biggest Vtubing company in the world. But with every big company comes controversies, inhumane wages, iron fisted control, false accusations and terminations, suicide attempts, even working directly with the Chinese Communist Party. This is the story of Nijisanji, the 'Rainbow' that became Black."

>>68356875
The main difference people forget is that Zaion largely did a lot to screw herself over (I still remember how most of her VODs kept getting privated), and wasn't even around for long enough for many people to care. And while I thought her treatment was really unfair, I also mainly chalked it up as someone being completely unprepared for Corpo life back then.
Meanwhile, Selen was one of the biggest and most beloved livers of their EN Branch who's contributed so much to her own branch and wider Vtubing community. Only to then get repaid with shit in her boot by the very corpo she originally vouched for... Even before all this, I kinda figured there was malice towards her coming from some figures in management.

>>68353966
Ching ching chingaling Chong honk honk

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>>68353470
birds have no use for mammary glands you birdbrained retards

>>68356655
We back!

>>68353966
Unpopular opinion, but I mostly agree with you over this incident. I think the permission difficulties were legal.

Management was fucking around and took way too long, she thought everything was good just getting email permissions, but they probably had to do more.

She raged out and jumped the gun, releasing a video too early and opening anyc up to legal liability which is why they took it down.

In this incident Selen was probably more in the wrong.

However, everything to do with the corporate handling at every level seems to be a dumpster bonfire. I truly don’t understand how the company can take a massive chunk of their talents earnings while also restricting them with NDA and IP while providing literally next to no management for the talents at the same time. They really are profiting massively and rather than providing resources and assistance to the talents, they instead actively impede their creativity at every turn it seems like. This is why she jumped the gun releasing the song, she felt it would never happen due to the history of management ranging from apathetic to hostile.

Selen did wrong, but niji impossible to work with.

>>68357038
they can get as much or as little help as they can afford and want, really, just have to be a little brave

>>68356655
thanks for the compilation, anon

>>68357038
Managers didn’t used to be a thing for indies but since vtubing became popularized indie managers or management companies (mythic) became prominent. It’s a regular market innovation thing.

>>68353966
>Yes, she hurt herself because she couldn't wait for approval of a music video
She had perms in August 2022, FFS! It cost her $15K to make, was a Christmas gift to her fans, and a parting message to her friend Pomu, the other big liver who recently left because they had their dreams crushed by these same assholes.

The way that Niji frames the termination notice, it doesn't appear the bullying and the MV incident have anything to do with each other. Further they are saying it was other talents bullying her, pretty much guaranteeing a witch hunt, when they didn't have to bring it up at all, as if they want to turn the fans on each other to save themselves.

If that wasn't bad enough they revealed that they posted as Selen on her twitter - the "I'm okay" post being made while her socials were suspended. So not only can we not know if a 'vacation' is a stealth suspension or not, we can't even know if the talent's tweets are fake or not.

Niji has consistently shot down the efforts of its talents at every turn. They shut down Selen rewarding artists out of her own pocket, her tournaments, her fall guys thing, and the same can be said of Pomu, where she was crushed at every turn. ...and of course the whole AR live thing that was a blow to all the talents.

And we can say Pomu was smart enough to leave before she got fired - BUT SO WAS SELEN - she offered to part amicably on the 26th, but instead Anycolor, once again choosing black, said "YOU CAN'T QUIT! YOU'RE FIRED!"... A message they never delivered to her personally, instead informing her through the twitter termination notice. So instead of a nice quiet graduation, they decided to turn the entire western world against them, and all their fans against each other.

Nevermind all the shit other talents that have left NijiEN have revealed about the company. 2% merch shares, confiscated play buttons, and all. From their reports it's like the company is actively seeking to demoralize their talents.

And you can talk about the slave mentality of Japan, but if they were aware of even half of the shit that's been going on at NijiEN, most of them would be turning on the company as well. (Or at least the branch, but I suppose they already are, after a fashion.) Hopefully some people who can read moon runes will help enlighten them.

This company, or at least this branch, has moved from incredibly incompetent to outright evil, and anyone who can defend this shit is either a troll or simply entirely ignorant as to what is going on there.

>>68356779
the way a smart person misses patterns like this, and persuades others to disregard them, is by always comparing them against imagined outcomes that are much worse
>yeah, that blew up in our faces
>but it would've been EVEN WORSE if we'd just given her a graduation stream and let her go without pissing her off
there are some obvious 2020-2021 examples of this.
>>68357038
indie: manager is your employee
corpo: manager is a superior that is trusted more than you by your employers
>>68356655
what's the etsy?

>>68356664
MILKERS

>>68356779
A Zaion-style bullet point list without elaboration would have been BETTER than what they did.

>gigantic redditspaced blogposts
Can you fags go back where you came from? No one's reading that.

>>68356655
I'm really glad she has a good and competent manager. She seems so happy and it's fucking amazing.

>>68357038
There's corpo and there's corpo. Finding a manager to help you produce content isn't a big deal. Getting volume discounts with merch and distribution is a lot harder. Setting up a 3d live concert with thousands of attendees is near impossible. It just depends on what you want to do.

>>68357245
Explain argonians then.

>>68357197(me)
Plus there's the fact a lot of livers in EN are taking a break over this too, there's no doubt a lot of them will have been highly affected by this...

>>68357430
It's the best town minus the Prince in DQ8 but I don't see what that has to do with anything?

Pisses me off that the DPS discord doesnt even seem to be bothering to organize backing up her stuff properly. Even trying to talk about it just has the attention whores spamming around me. For fuck's sake.

>>68357317
Pretty sure the jap audience thinks ENs and EN fans are all “troublemakers doing whatever they feel like and don’t respect upper management” from the get go

>>68357396
It's obviously samefagging. Just ignore and report.

>>68356664
YES, KEEP EM GROWING!!

So it was Enna after all

>>68357421
Until Mumei uses her 1 million wish to get Doki a 3d model.... nah that's getting a little ahead of ourselves... UNLESS.... Nah no... UNLESS!

>>68357562
Forced Graduation confirmed

>>68357380
One page with twelve bullet points of complaints is certainly better than three pages with three complaints, one of which made no sense at all. ("She falsely claimed we privated the video, after we privated the video!")

Granted, 10/12 of Zaion's bullet points turned out to be total bullshit. The "deez nuts" sponsor thing being the most comical of them.

>>68357562
>the suspension apostrophe
Bitch is getting what's coming to her.

SEX WITH DOKIBIRD

>>68357562
The emojis changed too. There are screenshots taken from a pc and an iPhone. Not consistent with Selens apostrophe changing but all else being the same between tweets

>>68357260
agreed on all points. regardless of what actually happened, if Doki seriously attempted to take her life because of work related drama, she may not be in the right state of mind to work for any company and may have perceived things to be much more hurtful rather than utterly incompetent. I don't know to what extent the liver bullying allegations are true based on the info we currently have, and it may end up in a drawn out legal battle. in any case wish her all the best, and fuck Niji

>>68357442
Who knows how many of those breaks are stealth suspensions, or how many of those posts were actually made by the talents.

I love how spiteful this woman is.
in her position others would have made an statement Not to go harass her former colleagues, but my headcanon tells me that she's in the attitude of "yeah fuck those bitches, they deserve it" my sides

>>68357317
I'll say one thing, a while back when Kyo was going through some drama about Korean surgery and suddenly he made this apology tweet saying he was taking a week off (and by the way I learned some stuff about Korea recently that really pisses me off, so I have a bone to pick with the people who got all sanctimonious about this, acting like Koreans are these innocent cinnamon rolls that need to be defended. But that's a story for another time). Anyway, I remember thinking that tweet does not sound like the way Kyo speaks at all to me. So I have been suspecting management tweets for a while and it's good to have confirmation. Heh, it occurs to me that people always accuse Gura's tweets of being management tweets and I thought that sounded plausible, so even though this confirmation is recent, it feels like a thing I've just accepted existed in vtubing for a long time.

>>68357685
>she didn't make the meaningless ritualpost
>she WANTS BILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO DIE

>>68357685
Selen hasn't harassed any of her former colleagues. It's AnyColor that did that by announcing she was being bullied - something she never even confirmed. Their ability to shoot themselves in the foot and cause unnecessary trouble for their talents is fucking amazing.

>>68357657
>suspension apostrophe
It's literally a "typing on mobile vs PC" thing, you can see this even on Dokibird's tweets, but this stupid rrat is going to plague this board for years now, isn't it?

>>68357773
Extremely Hot if true

>>68357834
mobileposters deserve this

>>68357421
>Setting up a 3d live concert with thousands of attendees is near impossible.
I actually think this is very possible considering I have seen corpos much smaller than Nijisanji manage it. I think an adequately popular indie could easily do it, and faster than Nijisanji did.

>>68357810
It's not that hard for her to say not to harass her former colleagues.

>>68357834
I like the name, it's funny

>>68357834
The issue wasn't that it's some impossible thing. But if someone tweets 100 times on their iphone and suddenly there's one tweet that's different then that is noteworthy.

>>68357892
V4Mirai is not actually a small corpo, they're backed by Brave Group, the third-largest Vtubing company in the world.
I don't understand why everyone is so fucking obsessed with 3D Lives though, I literally couldn't give a fuck.

If I'm honest, the whole apostrophegate thing still sounds especially schizo...

I'm glad Dokibird is free again and there's definitely legit reasons to be mad about what happened and all but like
I really hope the drama dies down once she starts streaming again and she can just entertain and have fun without the constant tension, that'd be nice

>>68357927
Not something she should have to say, not that I'd be surprised if she did, nor would it help, but none of the harassment happening is her fault. It was entirely instigated by AnyColor

>>68357974
yeah, and the selen attempted suicide thing sounded super schizo to you a week ago as well

>>68358027
I definitely think it will, once the ball starts rolling and she's back to her regular streaming practices things will eventually die down.

>>68357974
AnyColor says her socials were suspended when the post was made, so they are right in that it is a fake post. Dunno if they are right for the right reasons, but a half right rrat is still an empowered rrat.

>>68358063
Agree, but she has the power to stop most of it, by simply typing

>>68358027
aye, hope she recovers mentally and that the bullying allegations about other livers turn out not to be true (or are overblown) and the talents behind the liver personas can continue to stream in peace, regardless of whether they decide to stay to stay in niji or not. the company itself and mgmt can suck my dick though

>>68358027
drama is a cancer that needs to be excised swiftly if you don't want it to take you over as any kind of online entertainer. I couldn't blame her if she aired dirty laundry during her comeback stream, but after that it'd be important the shut the door on it (potentially even to the point of making it a bannable offense in chat) or else it'll be the only thing people come for.

Holding out for a Giraffe girl rebrand.

>>68357834
Its more that its a piece of evidence rather than the whole case
If a post has a different apostrophe from one post to another, it doesn't mean something happened, but it does signal that there was some sort of change, whether than change is just using a different device or a whole different country or person making the post.

>>68357479
Bro I can't even join, I thought they just kicked me but I'm banned lol

dokibutt

>>68358142
It really wouldn't stop dick. *Maybe* if she claimed a particular individual to be innocent, but of course then the witch hunt would continue. She can't really do that anyway, as it'd be accusing someone by process of elimination, making her liable. She lawyered up awhile ago, so she probably (hopefully) knows better.

>>68358097
Key word being "still", some things are hard to believe until you actually hear it from them yourselves.

>>68358175
based and chillpilled. last thing I want is for Doki (or any other livers) to end up as a perpetual menhera-drama streamer

>>68357974
It could be easily explained by using different devices, which, if you're in a fucking hospital, is entirely plausible (say she usually tweets on her PC, now she uses her phone).

However given the fact that Nijisanji admitted she got stealth suspended it's almost certain that management typed that tweet and therefore the narrative was completely true even if the apostrophe wasn't real proof of it.

In hindsight, it was also clear Selen was on a warpath and the whole "upload my MV guys" really was as rebellious and mutinous as it looked to everyone. So there is no way she would have bothered to cover AnyColor's ass by playing along with the stealth suspension cover-up.

The real fucked up thing is that Nijisanji got wind of her "attempt" and the first thing they thought was "ok let's type up a vague update to pacify the fanbase". Actually psychopathic.

>>68358175
I donno if I agree. But the reality is the dramafag/savoirfag/tourist audience is going to evaporate extremely quickly because even if she keeps bringing it up from time to time it won't be enough to satisfy them sandwiched in between hours upon hours of regular streams.

>>68358255
I believe it would stop most of the people, you can't really control the trolls, she doesn't have to say specific people either, just say former colleagues, nothing else

>>68355230
If anyone deserves to kill themselves it's you

>>68358403
"Don't harass the talents" has been said by one person or another nearly every time anything comes up. It doesn't do dick when people believe their Oshi was bullied to the point of attempted sudoku.

"I wasn't bullied by talents at all, AnyColor is making shit up." would certainly help, if that's actually the case, but sadly, I suspect it isn't.

>>68358362
Most people are tweeting from their phone, and for an entire month before that all her tweets on bith her PL and her work account used the same apostrophe. It changed on that day for some reason. You don't have to be sherlock holmes to find that suspicious.

>>68356664
SEEEEEEXXXXXX!!!

the audacity... she doesn't owe anyone shit at this point. They can "clear" their own name themselves if they so wish to. Thinking about that place is likely the last thing she wants to do right now.

>>68358362
>The real fucked up thing is that Nijisanji got wind of her "attempt" and the first thing they thought was "ok let's type up a vague update to pacify the fanbase". Actually psychopathic.
No, the first thing they thought of was HARASSING HER EMERGENCY CONTACT about how to proceed over the video. Which is another insane thing for them to admit to, btw.

>>68358403
no, the only effect of statements like this is that others feel compelled to repeat them lest any malice be read into their silence - as you are doing here. Since this is /haha/ why don't you go bug nijisanji talents into making a statement like "ex-nijisanji shouldn't be harassed on the way out", so that others can read malice into the silence of the talents that don't repeat it?

>>68358528
It would help. That's all I wanted to read

>>68356655
The fact that both her and Matara got overwhelmed by the idea of a manager being actually helpful about shit really speaks volumes, doesn't it...

>>68358403
I hope she does end up saying something like what you said, but maybe her lawyer(s) told her not to address anything about them for now. and I swear to fuck if some twitter mongoloids end up bullying Rosemi or other innocent livers by association or some other fucking retarded reason I'll go shit down their throats personally

https://x.com/dokibird/status/1754919266342863125?s=20

>>68358403
>I almost did a hero solely due to sustained bullying from other livers and managers
>But please don't tell them it's their fault.
what?

https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1754919266342863125
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1754919266342863125

LET'S FUCKING GOOO

>>68358543
Its also not as easy as changing devices. You need to change your language to get that apostrophe. On iphone and ipad I can change my language and I still get the straight apostrophe. On pc, i can only get the curly apostrophe with half width characters.

>>68358653
all that you want is for the applause to go on for 30 minutes because the first person to stop clapping will be judged

>>68355230
>How do you think they feel or do you even care about that?
She almost died and you're still thinking about money.

Really sucks that some of the talent I enjoyed watching clips of are the ones people seem most convinced were the bullies here. I guess ignorance really is bliss.

At least nobody figures Ike was involved, I wanna believe he's a good bean.

>>68358664
It's kind of mystifying. It seems like NijiEN management exists entirely to tell people "No" while doing nothing to get them further opportunities.

>>68358645
Because they are in a prison of a company
>>68358676
They are already doing exactly that

>>68358664
I swear it sounds like niji's "managers" operate more like HR, as in keeping them from doing bad things and protecting the company rather than actually helping them to get things done

>>68358684
Shame she didn't get to stream the FFVII event but it's good to hear her relationship with EA/Respawn remains solid.

>>68358664
And people just brushed it aside like they did all the other yabs.
No, it took "corporation actively bullies and character assassinates a worker who just tried to commit suicide over internal bullying" for even the last drooling mongoloid to finally understand that yes the place really is a fucking black corp.

>>68358706
That's why I posted this >>68357685

>>68353414
Will they get bigger when she hits 300k?

>>68357038
Dokibird had all of 10K subs before she joined Nijisanji.

That's why people BEG to go corpo.

>>68358759
Anon, I don't think anyone serious here is convinced any particular person is a bully. We just don't have enough information. I have a few people I suspect but until we get confirmation, that's all it will be, suspicion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwpXyUC95l8
This just popped up on my feed, she really has a lot of friends out there

>>68358717
>I’m so happy I’ll be able to keep working with Apex and EA
B-But she's not going to cover ALGS

>>68358676
Don't think Rosemi is even really on the suspects list, but she is losing subs, like everyone else in NijiEN just now. Just went under 500K.

>>68358684
>>68358717
Rare Based EA moment!

>>68358763
According to not-Zaion, NijiEN is run by non-English speakers.
>>/vt/thread/68277987#p68279957
>sayu's manifesto was originally much longer and included names
>most niji en managers don't speak english
>alot of conflict over "immersion breaks"
>if an idea for a stream/event wouldn't be something that would be popular in Japan, it was refused
>tried to ban handcam streams
>forced talent to fly out to Japan during peak-covid. Had to perform essentially as soon as they landed.
Explains why communication is so poor between management and livers.

This is an imageboard.
Happy for her.

>>68358915
Wigg has been awfully silent about all of this...

>>68358855
>all of 10K subs
Try like 2k.

>>68358932
Fuck...

>>68358816
NTA, but you're retarded. The best thing for both parties is for it to die down, which isn't going to happen if you have her constantly make statements.

My retarded little sister drew Doki!
I never watched her much but I’m glad she’s free from that place, I hope she’s streaming and laughing again with you all soon!
https://twitter.com/matoimiia/status/1754918346049376259

>>68355774
>>68355663
Doki's going to Hololive if she's going corpo again.

>>68358932
come on in wose, the water's fine

>>68358653
I really don't think just asking people not to harass the talents would help at all. These people are out for blood. It would, however, I admit, be the professional thing to do.

Dokibird, however, has just been freed from the need to be professional.

>>68358976
is that a moogle? it looks retarded

>>68358968
Would be expected given their behavior. Smacks of expecting entire swaths of other countries/cultures to cowtow to the way things are done on the JP side.

>>68359027
I wouldn't object but I think she wants to keep the Doki character. This makes VShojo a strong possibility since she could keep her model.

>>68358968
>most niji en managers don't speak english
>en managers don't speak english
>en doesn't speak english
Are they actually retarded?

>>68358980
Nah he only tweeted something about how he's proud of her for standing up for herself. Other than that, probably no ALGS work stuff for now, just let her ease back into it.

>>68358932
she was so happy to reach 500k, too...

>>68359079
>it looks retarded
well yeah it's a moogle dude

>>68358862
Eh, search the catalog for Enna or Millie just now. They've chosen their targets, and Doki can't really say anything specific if they choose the wrong target, even though it'd do wonders.

>>68359115
She doesn't own the account or the IP.

I want Doki to do lewd stuff on the side like Hana.

>>68358721
Yeah it’s based on the keyboard language setting on your OS

WAKE UP BABE NEW DOKI TWEET JUST DROPPED

>>68358780
HR is there to PREVENT shit that burns your company to the ground from getting out. NijiEN's managers are doing quite the opposite, creating revelations that even Dokibird didn't offer up.

>>68358915
Be real, How likely is it for doki to attend apex events in person? She no longer has corpo chains to her limbs

>>68358727
To be fair Selen almost killed herself and is already back to thinking about money. Chinese women are just built different.

>>68358717
This kind of stuff is why I keep saying that her staying indie is the best move for her. Unless she really really wants to do idol stuff and concerts she can already reach new heights from the connections she's already established without having to back to the corpo life and deal with perms autism

>>68358759
no names yet. i kinda still trust them at the moment, but i scrapped any and all niji shit on my socials. selen was my gateway to niji, she's my way out too. wasn't too deep into it so it's easy to let go, just feel bad for the other talents stuck in that shitty company.

>>68359172
... and?

>>68359256
If they give her an invitation? She will go
She's not longer that vtuber

>>68359309
It's AnyColor's account. We don't even know if the branch is going to remain afloat after this.

>>68358976
>>68358717
Shylily responded

>>68358980
>Wigg has been awfully silent about all of this...

>>68357513
>ooooh firthy gaijin you need to lespect 70 yeal old glandpa boomer management, send three copies of fax NOW
30 more atomic bombs

>>68359390
She's 100% going to your local apex event in person, maybe not this ALGS but in the future nothing can stop her

Its amazing, her every stream is just her realizing she can actually do things now and how shit Niji was for her.

Is there an archive for selen's membership drawing streams?

>>68359027
Hololive isn't going to take someone who got terminated.

Gunrun would hop right on that, and she has friends in Vshojo, but he doesn't really have anything to offer that she can't get herself at this point. 200K subs in four hours, plus having to do everything management should be doing for herself for years, leaves her pretty independent.

Plus, I kinda get the impression there's some bullying or at least internal drama at Vshojo as well, especially given Silvervale's comments on leaving, and she probably doesn't want anything to do with that.

>>68357513
Source?

>>68353966
>Don't you think Dokibird's actions have harmed the remaining Nijisanji livers?
A good solution to that problem for the remaining livers would be to stop working for nijisanji.
If anything doki is merely preventing future suicides.

>>68359263
To be more fair, Selen has been in emotional turmoil for a long time and we can only imagine how that exactly was playing out day to day. It's only yesterday when she made a voice tweet about wanting to turn things around for the better, and even then she was teary.

>>68358968
>>68359080
Kind of ironic, you'd expect the "the west has fallen" crowd to love Nijisanji for this kind of thing with their "Japan is superior" attitude. Then again those people were never going to watch EN to begin with, because they'll only touch things that come out of Japan, so it shows you how big a blunder it is for the EN branch to focus on that audience.

>>68359390
I'm fucking blind, let's go!

>>68359561
>Hololive isn't going to take someone who got terminated.
Why not? I keep seeing people make assumptions like this. We don't know either way, so it's foolish to speak in absolutes.

>>68359468
I'm not ready for fleshlen...

>>68359100
They’re probably more concerned with having people who can follow orders from HQ than they are with having them be particularly good managers.
so yeah, they are actually retarded

>>68359468
>nothing can stop her
Except herself. She tilts so hard just playing from the comfort of her own home, and doing it live is a LOT more pressure. I'm not totally opposed but just as a fun thing to do, she doesn't really have the mentality for doing it seriously. Maybe in a year or two.

>>68353966
>>68357260
>>68357676
You should take your soapbox to >>>/pol/, they love contrarian bs like this
Alternatively make some video essays on youtube before you apply to niji management so you can really up your human refuse game

>>68358684
>other corporations are now openly siding with her
It’s beyond over for Nijisanji.

Funny that there's tons of corpo fanbases all gunning for this girl, but only one shows up in this thread to beg constantly. Really makes you think.

>>68359468
Crazy antis might try and do something to her, she shouldn't try doing anything in person, at least for a year or two.

>>68359713
Anon, how do you think you develop that mentality?

>>68359713
She just has to attend to the event and hang around, she is friends with a lot of people in the scene, it would do her good

>>68359468
What if she still fears the coof. Every streamer comes back from an event and blames everybody there for giving them covid afterwards even to this day

>>68359743
Anon you are trying to argue with SEA monkeys, perhaps maybe organizing this shit on discord servers, please do not bother.

>>68359677
Hololive is much pickier about vetting their talents than anyone else, which is part of the reason they have a fraction of the graduations that Niji has. Also, kinda true everywhere, but especially true in Japan, a high profile termination more or less bars you from ever working in the industry again.

Vshojo is unlikely, Hololive is straight out.

>>68357260
You might be right, but at the end of the day I really just don't care. The fact of the matter is that she tried to take her life because of what was going on and that Japanese laws and corporations are fucking insane, made doubly so by the isolationism-fueled incompetence that affects the likes of the Nijisanji higher-ups. More than anything I'm just happy she's alive and I really hope this will make Nijisanji irredeemable to everyone outside Japan.

>>68359766
She won't be alone, and she doesn't have to expose herself either.

>>68359766
No one is taking a plane from SEA to Canada just for that, dw

>Verification not required.

>>68359713
She's not joining ALGS. She's said in the past that she doesn't want to, because then she'd need to no life Apex all the time again, and she'd start disliking the game again.

>>68359877
>>68359878
There's most likely antis in NA as well. Like I said it's too risky, and she shouldn't do anything like that for at least 1 to 2 years.

>>68359829
She don't have to expose herself, like all the pseudo-celebrities do and then complain about contracting diseases due to their own retardation.

>>68357513
Honestly, the biggest thing I've learned on my journey to learn Japanese is how little respect the nips deserve.

>>68359561
>Hololive isn't going to take someone who got terminated
imagine being this new. oh right, lotsa tourists with the current nijiyab

>>68359788
This might sound harsh, but I'm not really sure you can. As much as I love Selen she has mental issues that will probably make it too hard of an obstacle to ever overcome. Plus I don't think she even wants to, and she's getting older, etc., it's just not in the cards. She can still do Apex stuff just not ALGS at any serious level.
>>68359820
This I agree with though.

>>68359998
Who in Holo was fired by another large corp?

>>68360083
Nobody. Luna wasn't terminated and people will bring her

>>68359561
>Silvervale
lol. lmao even.

>>68359887
She absolutely loves the professional scene, and to be there she don't have to be playing, She can do many other things or do nothing and exist
>>68359973
This might be news to you, but every single pro player has antis who everyday threaten to kill them, how many have tried it while at these types of events?

>>68359856
>Vshojo is unlikely
I might have agreed with you before today, but now I'm not so sure. She's already following one of them, albeit on a PL account.

>>68360033
Anon, you develop it by being in those stressful situations, adapting to them, and getting used to them. Also, most common mental issues are pretty manageable with proper treatment.

>she made it all up
>because she gets tilted when doing badly in games
So that's the NDF line? really?

>>68360159
Vtuber Antis are a special.type of crazy. Like I said it's too risky to do at the moment. In 1 to 2 years maybe it might be a better time to do it, but for now after everything that's happened, I don't think it's a good idea. Her new manager will probably advise her not to do anything like that for a while too.

>>68360241
she tried shooting herself but her aim is too shit...

It's nice seeing just how many people are willing to go to bat for her

>>68360210
The last stressful situation she was in... did not go well. She's great but her mental is a problem.

>>68359561
>Hololive isn't going to take someone who got terminated.
Why? It came to me in a dream

>especially given Silvervale's comments on leaving
You mean the drama whore bigot who left with the other drama whores?

Where will Doki find friends and somewhere to belong in the post-NijiEN world?

>>68360358
I'm going to hell for laughing at this

>>68360370
it's funnier to see how the main thread is trying to make all these people not matter. I am having a good chuckle. It's just some artists, it's just some nobodies, it's just people that never mattered to begin with.

>>68360372
Anon, I know this bait. But a stressful situation in-game is not the same as years of ongoing workplace harassment.

>>68359491

I have the one where she drew with us. Along with that, I would be ecstatic if someone had the drawings we made with her.

>>68360358

>>68360489
Pandering to westoid twitter artists is a double edged sword. They're loud as fuck but never act

>>68360449
She follows Mysta, but doesn't follow Sayu, despite the latter constantly sucking up to her. So, seems pretty clear.
I hope they can all make up at some point and realize it's the corpo that caused all these divisions, not the livers.

>>68360449
in a streamed orgy with each other

>>68360449
She got shilled by just about every indie

>>68360340
If she decides to go, there is nothing anyone can do to stop her, it's her decision at the end of the day and I hope you support her when that day comes
>>68360449
She's fine bye herself, she kept the apex sponsorship and has a new and competent manager

>>68360449
TSB
Mumei
Pomu
Her apex buddies

>>68360449
small indies, zentreya and proplayers

>>68360449
She's already following Kuros alt. And Sayu did show her support too.
And a lot of indie streamers also showed her support and a welcome back.

>>68360449
Schachi, The Metal Gear Nerd, Zeta and Ollie.

>>68360521
They actually are the same. Being on stage in front of a crowd with a tournament on the line is actually a lot like handling real-life dramatic conflicts.

>>68360521
She was playing high elo ranked games the moment she got out of the hospital, she will be fine

>>68360449
who's top-right?

>>68360449
Literally everywhere she probably wants except for NijiEN

>>68360411
Nya >>68359856, termination by another large Vtuber company is an incredibly large red flag.

>You mean the drama whore bigot who left with the other drama whores
And do you really think she wants to join a corpo with cliquie drama whores right now, regardless of the level of freedom she'd retain? She has a few friends in there, but staying indi doesn't mean she can't collab with them.

Okay seriously why are the vsho tourist insisting she and zen are friends?

>>68360627
It's not at all. The harassment follows you wherever you go, but the game is temporary.

>>68360652
Roach mom

>>68360449
Nigga no one wants to do anything with Sayu except for shitters lmao
No one likes her
It’s even funnier considering that you could put like 20 people on the right side and she would still be on the left by herself

>>68360449
Altare + Axel

>>68358717
They just sent her that? Or she had this before as selen?

>>68360728
thank you

>>68360733
but people are saying "she was right" so that means everyone will want to do things with her now!!!

>>68360696
Friends might be a bit strong but they've collabed in the past and were scheduled for one before she disappeared, they obviously like each other.

>>68360696
The same people think her and Nina were friends. You can't convince them otherwise.

>>68360707
How long have to followed esports? Competitors take it deadly seriously. "It's just a game bro" might be how you approach FPS, but not people like Selen.

>>68360728
how's she getting on these days? seems like vsj might have cleaned up any internal issues they might've had when picking up the new (old) bloods

>>68360752
They sent it to her during her silence, that was when the FF7 Apex event was happening.

>>68360696
Zen pretty much instantly followed her when Selen was suspended

>>68360862
I've followed esports for almost 15 years. You play out the set. Win or lose, it's ggs move on to the next.

>>68360960
So what

>>68360875
Seemingly fine other than the food poisoning delaying her new outfit.

Who would you like to be her new model mama?

>>68360241
We will never have doki images like this

>>68355847
I actually want to see her stream Pajama Sam and Putt Putt now since she is free from Perm hell

>>68360794
They seem on good terms at best honestly...
>>68360849
Ah I understand now

>>68360994
Nobody else but kamamesigogo. She can afford a model from them

>>68359187
She's doing lewd stuff?

>>68361038
Reliable mama

>>68360994
I will be basic and say Ayamy. Give me them huge milkers. Otherwise there is a huge number of people she can choose from both japanese and western indies. So it's really up to her.

>>68360994
Her model Mama from Niji. I think she would be more than happy to work with Doki, all things considered.

>>68360972
Okay, if you've seriously followed esports that long, you should already know that people who have tilting problems this bad just from online play are going to have even worse issues on the big stage. So I'm confused why you're even arguing with me.

>>68361091
Literally went to bat for her, it was nice to see

can they have sex already

Ah, Badump Limit...

And bump limit.....

>>68360875
She had her birthday stream this past Sunday. Good VOD to watch if you want to see how she's getting along with people. Ninafags might recognize the date as "Robert's birthday."

>>68360994
kamamesigogo or shogo matsuo or pako

>>68361091(me)
Ayamy would be nice, too!

>>68361115
I've seen the clutchest players mald out on stream. It just happens. Whether they're going to make it on the big stage comes down to experience.

>>68353966
Dokibird was not the one who pointed a finger at Nijisanji's livers. She wrote it was 'bullying from within', which can be interpreted as being bullied by managers.
It is Nijisanji's actions that have harmed the remaining Nijisanji livers. Picrel.
>>68355230
>If an employee harms themselves because they have breached a contract, do you believe the company is responsible for their suicidal attempt?
Let's be honest, in an industry where terminally online weeb girls respond to the text on their screens for hours, your workers won't be a beacon of stoicism. In corporate VTubing, a mental breakdown is just another workplace accident that the employer should try to prevent, in my opinion.

>>68361038
>>68361091
Did they make any of the alts for Selen or Elira?

>>68360778
Meh... Dokibird went from ~10K to 200K in four hours, but Sayu has remained at the ~43K she had yesterday. You'd think there'd be some bleed over, but apparently not.

Granted, if you want to do your part to stick it to Nijisanji, link em up:
https://www.youtube.com/@SincronisityYT
As I think the Youtube algorithm tends to send you to the wrong place if you search for her.

I thought Zaion was the most genuine vtuber Nijisanji has ever had, a real breath of fresh air, that I somehow knew wouldn't last. Sayu though, seems a lot more bitter, tired, and cold than the character she invented for Nijisanji, so I've not really managed to get into her.

>>68360994
Any heavy hitter that will spam her with art

>>68361340
>you subbed because you want to stick it to niji
>I subbed because I love amber eyes
>we're not the same.

>>68361209
I don't really agree. The players that get picked up by teams are either just super talented 18-year-olds who can hit insane flicks, or people who have demonstrated they can keep it together in online play and earned a reputation as reliable. Selen is neither. She's a mentally fragile girl approaching her 30s. It's not impossible she could go big, it would just require a ton of personal growth.
Anyway, I think this derail has gone on long enough, feel free to have the last word.

Wouldn't be good if she joins Vshojo? She already has buddies there so might be easy, also they give support.

>>68360994
I'd love to see 127s art get rigged.

>68361521
Stop begging already

I'm gonna miss this model a lot. Both Selen and Zaion had really damn good designs (sans Selen's giraffe neck).

>>68359767
Yeah...

>>68361521
It’d be like diving into another clique. She should join Mythic

>>68361592
The long neck was great!

>>68360994
Iku for the idealization of my THICC queen, Dokibird. Second options, Pako or Pochimaru. Pochi did collab with her in the past, after all.

>>68361537
the band?

>has her own manager now
>other corpo tards come out begging harder

>>68360589

>>68361713
It's ennaschizo trying to stir up shit. Don't react.

How would NijiEN have even handled it if she HAD managed to an hero? Would they have been blowing up her phone about dumbass shit right next to her fucking corpse? Really makes you think.

>>68361461
I've seen a few mentally fragile top players who were able to keep it cool and get in the zone for a match. I'm not saying Selen is that kind of player nor am I saying she's at that level. But I've seen it happen quite a few times.

>>68358142
It always goes without fail, whenever some celeb, politician, or "influencer" has a scandal or gets into trouble, they immediately start crying about harassment and death threats and blaming the people they wronged for their own bad actions.

And there isn't even any evidence of any "harassment" other than people dunking on them on the internet.

>>68360449
Warm bug booba.

>>68359187
Please elaborate

>>68360695
The company that fired her drove her to suicide and then contradicted themselves in the announcement.
LOL

>>68361700
The Doki/Selen artist

Oh shit is there a baker on!?

>>68361896
It's a black company, but she still managed to piss them off enough for them to fire the most popular star in the branch. From Holo's point of view, this makes her a liability. I don't think Mumei has enough sway to override that, and I kinda doubt Selen wants to go corporate again anyways.

>>68361951
still here, oven's still hot

>>68360449
why is this even a question? she got zaion'd but it doesn't mean she'll side with sayu. no ex niji associates with sayu.

Just stopping by to say I hope miss Selen finds her happiness wherever she ends up, whether it's staying as an indie or otherwise. Chin up knights

>>68362175
Thanks, K9.

>>68362066
I'm wondering where her new manager is from that makes her confident in getting a PC sponsor.

>>68359765
Only because it's good publicity.

>>68362249
>confident in getting a PC sponsor
That's one of the easiest sponsors to get after a gacha-game. She already have the numbers for it

>>68362071
Thanks! away from PC so wouldn't have been able to bake

>>68360449
Joining Vshojo is basically risk free, since she can keep her persona, even if she leaves later on, and she'd get proper support. On the other hand, she could stay indie since she's already doing numbers, but that'd limit her scope in the future and she'd have to do everything herself.

>>68362357
Sure, but she managed to secure a manager before having monetization.

>>68362488
I don't know why someone who isn't friends with Mouse would join Mouseshojo.

>>68362490
I'm leaning msm, pretty sure seth would love to pick her up for the numbers and hype alone

>>68361340
>stick it to Nijisanji, link em up
It seems you shills still don't understand that most people hate Niji AND Sayu at the same time
Matara still won't unblock her despite her constantly begging and apologizing. That alone should be enough evidence that no one wants to work with her

>>68362066
>but she still managed to piss them off enough for them to fire the most popular star in the branch
Because she was willing to stand up for herself after they drove her to try to kill herself. Look at all her accolades and tell me she isn't in the right.

Can the beggars at least wait a few months? Seriously

>>68362488
People dislike them but that's what will probably happen. There's a reason so many graduated livers are going there.

>>68362237
I haven't had time to do a new doodle so here's this one again

>>68362568
This. Sayu is a bitch and we should tell her fans to fuck off from /vt/ entirely.

One more day! One more day until we hear her laugh again!

>>68360696
I know it's cool around these parts to shit on VShojo and Zen but the fact is that Zen is a very much pro vtuber unity and started following Doki right when the suspension started.
Does that mean they're friends? Eh, who knows, we're not privy to all that happens behind the scenes.
But you can bet Zen will extend or already extended a collab invite to Doki. Will Doki want to cash in on that is up to her to decide.
>>68360849
Claiming they were friends is a stretch for sure, but so is the opposite suggestion that gets pushed by some, one that there is some sort of bad blood between them.
If anything, their talk on Nina's graduation seemed that of two people who are on good enough terms but didn't talk a lot/drifted apart.

>>68362568
>>68362649
VShojofags, we don't have the same beef against Sayu. Take that shit back to /vsj+/

>>68362551
Because proper management is actually really useful, because it'd help her to grow back a lot, and because it'd help her to get contacts and sponsors.

>>68362631
People here dislike them, but /vt/ is hardly an accurate representation of viewers. From a business point of view, it's not a bad fit but I'm not sure why she'd bother when she can just stay indie and grow her own brand.

https://files.catbox.moe/htcxp1.mp4
Are Ethyria really the bullies?
(Nina is the only one didn't laugh btw)

>>68362575
>willing to stand up for herself
Not a quality a Japanese company wants.

>>68353299
Learn to use saucenao

Shoo, catalogniggers.

>>68362730
>vshojo
Retard I'm just stating a fact
If you want it here related then Doki still is ignoring her and hasn't followed her back since this all started despite her reaching out
There you go

>>68362776
She certainly didn't admonish it.

>>68357038
growing is much harder as an indie. Once you have the money, vtubers really are like any other online celebs. the 10m+ youtubers basically are a whole corporation.

>>68362906
She tried to change the subject. She maybe mama, but she's never been the disciplinary sort of mama.

>>68362776
Dame Millie laughed out loud

>>68362756
She can just hire a manager and pay them peanuts. Time for someone else to get the 2%. Fuck corpos.

>>68362819
We always post sauces here tourist.

>>68362776
You have to remember that the ONLY time a liver was brought up in regards to the bullying that Doki went through, it was by AnyColor. They could be lying about it to cover their own asses.

>>68362756
I don't know if you've been paying attention, but Twitch is on the decline. So joining a group centered around Twitch doesn't seem like a good idea.

>>68363103
I haven't. Why is it on the decline?

>>68362878
She's ignored/not followed a ton of people who reached out. I don't think her and Sayu are going to be best buds but it would be nice if they could collab once or twice.

>>68363022
Hiring a manager requires going through an entire process to know who to hire, then telling them everything they should be doing, then checking on them periodically, then of course there's the actual paperwork of hiring and paying them. And that's just the start of it. Running a business is not that simple, it takes a ton of work.

She wears spats yes?

>>68362776
If you know women this is very obviously a bullying circle

>>68363103
There's absolutely nothing stopping her from being centered on YT.

>>68363230
Yes!!

>>68363210
They've stagnated and they can't provide the same vod services YouTube can, so most creators have to use YouTube anyway. YouTube streaming is becoming more popular because creators can consolidate to one site for videos and streaming.

>>68363046
>They could be lying about it to cover their own asses.
>to cover their own asses.
How the fuck would lying about your talents relentlessly bullying each other make your company look good?
Throwing your own talents under the bus is a horrible look for the company, and a even worse for the managers.

>>68363222
well she has one already

>>68363222
You don't know Selen. She was already doing all that and more.

>>68362802
Cover wouldn't drive their talents to suicide.

She can probably get a Youtooz and a nendo if she joins Vshojo and a lot of PC sponsors

>>68363284
It's actually a bit easier for streamers to make cash on Twitch than it is with Youtube, though in the end sponsors are where the real money is at. Dokibird's Twitch channel had a level 12 hype train yesterday.

Maybe she'll multi-stream. That's pretty easy these days.

>>68363437
begone, beggar

Going through her tweets, do you think the people who told her she wasn't anyone special was management, livers or her mother?

>>68363210
eh, don't listen to that other guy, he's larping
not sure it's actually in decline, haven't looked at overall watch hours in a long time, but viewers among twitch indies have been spreading out so we have more 4views, but they're lower and a lot more 3views making livable wages

tourists could you ease up on the begging please

>>68363406
And that dude is telling you exactly the same I'm saying. But is he trustworthy?

>>68363420
Doesn't have any baring on whether they'd hire a high profile termination who clearly has a mind of her own, anymore than how evil Nijisanji is does.

>>68363374
Yes, which is why it's really fucking weird that they mentioned it in the first place and put their talents in the line of fire.

>>68363482
Considering that Nina had imposter syndrome leading up to her graduation, the first two. The second is more likely because their management didn't even speak English.

>>68363103
>but Twitch is on the decline
it isn't, viewership is way higher than it was pre-covid
>a group centered around Twitch
Vshojo isn't. The talents can and do chose for them self where they want to stream, and since Twitch is the better platform for streamers, they chose it. But Kson regularly streams on YT too.

>>68363482
it was Ember because she refused to feed him chicken and go bald in chicken fueled bliss like he always wanted

>>68363556
Anon she’s an indie now, she can’t be forced to work with anybody anymore. If the manager’s a POS she can cut ties.

I'll keep begging, and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>68361079
>>68361847
She did a little bit of Fansly stuff on another character, people caught wind and stirred stuff so it never went past one lewd game stream and some self-love we got to hear. Was pretty nice, she's decently vocal.

I dunno if she decided it wasn't for her, drama-seekers got to her, or nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if Niji got wind of it and issued an ultimatum that she had to cease or be smote.

>>68363482
Management for sure, that's classic abusive boss talk

>>68363557
>He knows nothing of Yagoo's home for broken girls
Hololive isn't training slaves.

>>68363606
That sly dog...he's behind it all!

>>68359187
Bro have you seen her anytime a romantic or lewd situation comes up that doesn’t involve her doing the watching?

>>68363606
>>68363707
I'm gonna miss calling him ember

>>68363606
We do know Ember is kind of a jerk from the previous valentines stream.

>>68363595
VShojo has 2 managers (one's Panini and I'm blanking on the other), Gunrun, and Mowtendoo. Their main leverage is with Twitch connections and IRL backpacks. I'm not sure how much of a value-add that would be for Doki.

>>68363707
speaking of sly. Doki can play Sly Cooper now...