/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>lied about the reason for termination
>lied about the reason for termination
meh different corpo same bullshit

>>68317089
Nijicope

>>68317015
this isnt a hololive w this is pretty much exclusively a niji L

>>68317089
>Management says Mel did something wrong, Mel admits she did something wrong, both realize there is no solution other than separation
>Management blocks a video, Selen says management blocked her video, management uses "She lied about us blocking a video. We blocked the video." in their termination statement designed to (once again) make a former talent seem as unappealing as possible to potential future employers

Rushia, the most unicorn friendly holo, was literally married to a guy. What a nice company you goy there LMAO
Nijisanji will only get stronger after culling the weak

literally just shamelessly copy and pasting from reddit now

>>68317015
Isn't the Selen one just Rushia or am I not allowed to notice things again

>>68317015
Meru was like the dog you love but need to put down because it bited a kid. Fuck that kid

>>68317485
>minor spelling mistake
I win

>>68317846
Yeah, fuck Kotoka

>>68317846
>bited
you fool, you loser

>>68317288
yeah but that's not how marketshare works right anon

>>68317846
i too hate kits

losing mel isn't a win

>>68317485
>Rushia, the schizo-yandere experience chuuba, was a schizo-yandere in real life and got herself fired over it because of a lack of timely medication

>Selen, a chuuba officially described by niji in their post terminating her as having been responsible for a significant amount of their market growth, was fired for making factual statements

Yeah, that's a certified Niji win right there, the acceleration is still happening anon.

Ignore the fast approach horizon, only 2% of it is real

>>68318113
dont mind if i do
but the towa collab already disproved any and all rrats about her being the reason.

>>68317089
I'M GONNA BEAT YOUR TEETH IN MILLIE

>>68317673
Rushia's example of being bullied was when Miko said "Uruha Rushia, fuck you." in response to getting killed in minecraft. After the GTA stream Cover stepped in and said "let our talents have lives you fucking virgins" and all Rushia had to do was continue like nothing happened. Instead, Rushia went to some dramatuber to clear her name and prove she was single, WHICH WAS A LIE BECAUSE SHE WAS ACTUALLY MARRIED TO MAFUMAFU. The reality is Rushia has always been a manipulative psycho, how anyone defends her at this point is beyond me.

>>68317015
Niji is not just a black company… but a sweatshop…

>>68317485
Rushia was married and Cover was still willing to back her up (they made a whole announcement about it) until she decided to burn the bridge.

>>68317015
Being correct is no excuse for being this ESL

>>68319792
NO it didn't, it just means that Towa is more mentally stable right now and probably (cautious) of Kotoka if she were to suspect her being the friend Mel talked to.

Why would Towa leak more NDA shit to the same person people are suspecting to be the whistleblower?

>>68319523
Perhaps, but they handled it as best they could. When was the last time any company, in any industry, put out a notice announcing that one of its employees was fired for breaking their NDA, and then the CEO of the company put out a message expressing sorrow that the employee had to be fired?

Mel's termination was handled much more amicably than Yugo's and Gundou's "graduations". Kyo's graduation is next Friday, and I would not be the least bit surprised if there's another Niji EN "graduation" or two between now and then.

>>68317485
>minor spelling mistake

>>68317357
>Management says Mel did something wrong, Mel gets gaslighted into accepting that she did something wrong and realizes that she will get fucked legally if she doesn't agree to the terms of her termination.
ftfy

>>68321891
Expressing sorrow means fuck all, still kicked her out with a breach of contract on the resume and all her work soon to be gone. Could have peacefully graduated her if it was such an amicable separation.

>>68322606
>source: the voices in my head

>>68322606
Admitting that you fucked up on your PL should be a clear indicator you did, in fact, know you fucked up. By contrast, Selen was terminated and then her RM immediately put the cause on being bullied. Let’s not even bring up Gundou, lest you see the true blackness of the abyss.

>>68324005
>>68324005
>Admitting that you fucked up on your PL should be a clear indicator you did, in fact, know you fucked up.
Wrong. She knows what Cover did to Rushia post-termination and chose a different route.

>>68324090
Are you attempting to compare the biggest menhera ever to be in the company to the pon of Mel?

>>68324005
>Admitting that you fucked up on your PL should be a clear indicator you did, in fact, know you fucked up
It's not an indicator of anything, except that she'sva decent person and doesn't want to cause a shitstorm.

>>68317015

>>68317485
I know this is bait but you are defending the company where coworkers openly fuck and date each other

>>68324090
What did they do to Rushia? They didn't try to drag Rushia through the mud, her termination was similarly vague to Mel with the only exception being that nobody seemed particularly upset that Rushia was gone.

>>68320244
>>68325236

>>68325666
Funny how this "new studio to support the talent" lead to an official decrease in lives per talent.
Still better than the yacht, don't get me wrong.

>>68317485
OY VEY

>>68317485
>cites example of company willing to take a huge risk for their talent
Lmao are you stupid?

>>68324090
>Yagoo married Rushia off to mafumafu
New rrat

>>68317015
Nta, but it's kinda weird comparing these two considering Mel also didn't have a great experience with her Manager.

>>68326563
Eh, I mean we are still supposed to be getting upwards of 2 lives a week between the number of talents and the gen anniversaries so

>>68327345
>But we have LESS shit in our pants, that's a huge win!
Every coverfag

>>68327951
why do nijibros only use scat analogies? lmao

>>68317015
>terminating a beloved talent because of a moment of weakness is a massive W according to holodrones

>>68317015
Mel channel is still up for some reasons, when will it get wiped? Or is it part of the "terminated on good terms" Mel's rm was talking about?

>>68317015
>Mel: decision is announced immediately, consented by both parties, VODS and membership will be gone in 42 days, no more new merch.
>Selen: decision taken and announced 42 days later, legal action threatened by the talent, VODs and membership gone immediately, BUY THE SELEN PARTY MERCH

>>68328476
Not a Nijibro. Shitting your pants is just a common idiom for a fuck up in my language (yes, I'm ESL, fuck off). If your mind immediately goes to your scat fantasies - that's your problem.
>>68329445
End of February according to the termination announcement.

why was Mel not allowed to say goodbye though?

>>68330761
NDA violation. The others were simpler.

I still hate Mel's grandfather

>>68330761
https://twitter.com/yozoramel/status/1747179606283812974
Read if you can

>>68330860
Okay so? Just let her write a note on Twitter, or pass a message from her on the official Twitter. Not that hard.

>>68330665
do you guys shit your pants that often?

>>68330908
I missed this, thanks

>>68330909
>write a note on Twitter
Didn't she do exactly that?

>>68330938
It's an american thing.

>>68331046
>>common idiom in my language
>>yes I'm esl
haha

>>68330974
she did, but the nijifags are prone to moving goal posts and coping over profit numbers.

I'm sure they'll justify every graduation this year (and believe me, more are coming) with more "they were actually rrats" faggotry,

>>68328476
you know why

>>68330938
Do you? It's an idiom in English as well, just with a different meaning.

>>68324090
>She knows what Cover did to Rushia post-termination
yeah they... completely ignored her
the horror

>>68317089
i will never understand nijifags what is wrong with you people

>>68317015
What a fucking pointless reddit trash. Selen is more like Rushia.

>>68332562
kek whatever you say nijidrone

>>68325666
I just start watching vtuber last year and never really keep up with the news but is this yacht thing real? QRD if possible please.

>>68332852
It's a meme but you can pretend its real for the lulz

>>68317015
fuck off tribal nigger

>>68319671
my man the ACCELERATION within 4 hours is immense, 5% NO SURVIVOR

>>68317015
>reddit screencap
>phoneposter
Into the oven you go

>>68333201
NIJISEETHE

>>68333358
PUTS ON ANYCOLOR

>>68333358
So what are you coverfags winning here, even if NijiEN (deservingly) burns to the ground? Do you want an influx of nijisisters in the holo fanbase? Enna&Co to join Hololive?
Or do you think Cover will see the error of JP corpo ways and stop being a black company themselves? That's unlikely, and what they did to Mel will still remain a disgrace.
This is just 50 Shades of Black: The Thread.

>>68335275
>What they did to Mel
Allowed her to both give a final statement and wish her well in spite of ironclad circumstances? A statement that remained consistent even post-incident?

>>68335365
>Allowed her to both give a final statement
lmao, even someone like gundou got a graduation stream

>>68335365
Did Yagoo inform you of those ironclad circumstances while you were rimming his asshole? Of course her statement would remain consistent, even if it's not true. What's the point of doing a 180 afterwards, just to burn bridges?

>>68335275
>So what are you coverfags winning here
Sweet sweet schadenfreude

crazy how fast ndf acts. even when their corpo drives their talents to suicide they still cant rip themselves away from riku's brown taint.

>>68335552
Gundou didn’t break her NDA, but you had better believe Anykara wished she had. They likely put her in the solitary confinement box so she would do so in a fit, but she didn’t.

>>68335605
Mel’s RM was likewise in agreement to the statements. It was likely all hinged on an accident, but that still constitutes the separation.

>>68335275
wow immediate jump in the conclusion of Coverfag, fuck off defense force, suck Riku dick in his sinking yacht lmao

>>68335275
>nijiEN is basically where the holo rejects ends up
>being worried that they end up joining hololive after this shitfest
absolutely delusional

>>68336662
>Mel’s RM was likewise in agreement to the statements
That's what I meant. Of course she would what's the point not too? Doesn't mean it's true or what she actually thinks.

>>68336742
>>68336879
Cover interns, or just lick corpo ass for a hobby?
Still didn't answer the question. At least >>68335650 honestly admits he's a faggot.

>>68337010
Your whole point hinges on COVER simply wanting to get rid of her for some bizarre unexplained and inconceivable reason that's bad, which is a pretty retarded position to take.
Fact: They terminated her contract.
Fact: They gave a reason for it that both makes sense and is agreed upon by both parties.
There is no huge book written about what she did wrong and how she's an impossible menhera to deal with. They didn't even do that for Rushia. You don't have to like Cover for what they did here, I don't. However, there is nothing out of the ordinary going on based on this information.

>>68337351
Do you think Niji wanted to get rid of Selen for some bizarre unexplained and inconceivable reason? No it's just usual management incompetence.
Mel's case is very like something similar except Cover is smart enough not to write essays about it and influential enough to convince Mel staying quiet is in her interests.
Notice how Niji tried to do the same but failed because their reputation and value of staying on good terms with them is already below zero.

>>68337351
Cover was completely fine with letting her manager sexually harass and stalk, as well as other shit they did to her.

>>68337816
Funnily enough by contrast of terminations, Selen’s RM took about 2.2 seconds to give a statement about her state of mind. The only breathing room I will give you is that Mel is Japanese and has to deal with the societal pressure being terminated puts on her, but until you show me concrete proof she was coerced into being silent by Cover themselves, I’m not just going to buy that automatically.

>>68317089
oh so you wanted them to say that the reason mel was fired was because kotoka leaked the shit shes told her in private?

>>68337816
No, I don't. I think the termination of her was correct. However, despite that, the circumstances that led to the termination are self-inflicted and completely unnecessary for functioning on the corporate management side of Anycolor. Which means they deserve to be laughed at for being an incompetent trashfire.
Maybe they'd deserve some leniency if this was the first time something like this happened, but it isn't.

>>68337894
I'm not gonna opine on a topic that I have so little information about.

>>68338077
Ogey

>>68338067
What concrete proof do you need? It's pure logic, why would anyone willingly accept the termination of a once-in-a-lifetime career without any "or else" applied?
Anyway my initial "disgrace" point wasn't even about them firing her, but the way it was done, as said in >>68323309.
Fuck Cover for treating their OG like this, for an honest mistake.

>>68338694
Cause Mel is in the wrong anon, she said it herself in her RM account after the termination, look it yourself, even if it's an honest mistake, contracts are still contracts.

>>68339328
So one is a good dog who bends the knee and the other is a rebel. All it shows is that Japs are more subservient than Westerners.

>>68339508
Good for the Japs

Being the second worst isn't really winning.

>>68339328
Ffs, is there a coverbro brainwashing facility operating somewhere?
Point one:
>she said it herself in her RM account after the termination
This is absolutely meaningless. Once she "agreed" to termination (not like she actually had a choice) there's no point to stir shit. Unless you're Rushia.
Point two:
There's no Higher Force enforcing contract clauses with immediate effect. It's between the parties involved. Cover could have let her quit on her own, in fact that's what companies usually do, unless you really piss someone off.

>>68339328
She wasn't in the wrong because there was no reason to fire her.

>>68337120
nijisanji interns work harder on this site, clearly. is this your desperation speaking?

fun fact: the rrat i planted in that shithole of a company 3 years ago is still currently working in their offices til this day. im still getting monthly inside reports and he's still leeching their best benefits. btw shit is only getting worse from here on.

>>68339799
And you’ve proof of that? Do you assume they simply wanted to get rid of her, an OG in the company, over nothing?

>>68339937
>in that shithole of a company
Which one? Doesn't really narrow it down.

>>68339937
spare my wose

>>68340113
NTA, but that's what doesn't make sense here. It must have been something pretty damn disastrous to treat your OG like this. But both parties say it's a'right now, everything fixed. Which leads to believe it was just some corpo autism in play. Therefore fuck Cover.

>>68340119
not clarifying is half of the fun.

>>68321447
yes it did you fucking mongoloid shit flinger. why would cover allow another talent to collab with someone another talent had leak an NDA with? said collab also had rio from holostars jp, and you know YAGOO loves his boys to let it happen.

>>68317485
>Nijisanji will only get stronger after culling the weak
They're terminating the girls so they can compete with homos? lol

>>68317485
To be fair, I don't think any corpo can handle Miguel

>>68317015
I completely forgot Mel was fired.

>>68342827
That's the only W Hololive actually got.

>>68343803
niji concert when?

>>68338186
You may want to be carreful with the ogey as all past month have been proved right.

>>68317015
> be nijikek
> pic related

No amount of mental gymnastics would make Mel's termination look good. Cover failed to her and she should be sued them back in the day.

>>68317015
>literal Reddit post

>>68345386
How is that relavant? Honestly don't give a fuck. You tribalfags just can't operate outside your binary world view.

>>68347633
hope you start giving a fuck about your chuubas at least

>>68347818
You're asking for way too much.

>>68317015
Yes, but you are mistaken. This is not a company difference, but a talent difference. Hololive hires serious entertainers. Mel is a reasonable person and when she did something that broke her contract agreement she admitted it and took it gracefully.

Selen is not a serious person. She went against her management, tried to rally up her fans to go around management's rules, got into mutual fights with other talents behind the scenes, and when she caught wind of them about to fire her she had a "suicide attempt" to try and get them to keep her on. They even saved her the public humiliation by calling it an accident. When they fired her anyway she was going nuclear so they tried to pre-empt it by releasing all the reasons that led up to it so it's not spun as them bullying her out. Then she cynically used the suicide attempt that failed to get her mercy from being fired to paint them as villains and get sympathy from twitter autists.

The difference is night and day. Hololive hires serious entertainers, and Nijisanji hires toxic and narcissistic individuals that will try to burn everything to the ground when they don't get their way. Nijisanji exclusively hires bad talents.

>>68347633
no concert? when will niji get a W, bros...

>>68347633
I do. The are all in Hololive. Well, were, no one of them got erased. Fuck Cover.

>>68348197
Funny how you troons insist gender is not binary, but assume fucking chuuba company allegiance is. Is brain damage a side effect of your hormone therapy?

>>68348373
>seething
they'll get a W eventually, surely...

so we are going to fucking ignore how cover treated rushia when she was terminated? yes they are better corpo than niji but still corpos still fuck us either way.

>>68317089
>>68317485
why are nijifans like this

>>68348469
There was literally nothing wrong with the way Cover treated Rushia. Except for the fact they didn't fire her crazy ass sooner.

>>68348449
Nope,l. You (who are they?) will never be women. Deal with it.

>>68348614
maybe next wave will be better? or the one after that?

>>68339508
Nta but all it show is that you a retard, mel already show her willingness to lawyer up if there any mistreatment and she big enough in her social circle to rally support. Why it only niji organ that graduate and terminated are the one air their dirty laundry? Notgundou, notgibara, notchihiro, notmayuzumi, notmysta, notnina and now notselen. It seem you can't accept the fact that niji reputation are in the toilet and every exniji take a jabs at niji.

Just a reminder, Cover knew she was married but they still agreed to sell predatory engagement rings to her cuck fans.

>>68348469
her situation was give 2-3 weeks before getting terminated
and do you really think that showing that pop-up discord chat was accidental? reading at how menhera she was, I think it was planned

>>68348528
Keep in mind that most of the outrage is all by nijifans too, but they'll have collective amnesia in a few months and go back to supporting their black company.

>>68348745
Selen was given a month and then orchestrated her hospitalization to get them to postpone it out of respect to her. Then she went rogue and gave them no choice but to act as they did.

>>68348248
in english?

>>68348666
Ok, now you've lost me completely. Wtf are you talking about? Is transition performed in 'waves'? Which wave did they cut your balls off?

>>68348947
at least one new liver will be the next golden goose. a new pomu soon, hopefully...

>>68349014
Ah, you're a nijifag. Hold on there, sis. Did you cut your cock #4hex by chance?

>>68348469
Cover helped her and made her get off the grid to let her shit blow over. But the bitch chose to contact her so called "friends" (same friends that were laughing at her when she got terminated and dog-piling on her right now with mafumafu) and leak info.

>>68349133
maybe there'll be a new selen too, I'll miss the energy she brought. seeing obsydia left with just two small introverts is saddening

>>68349165
Those "friends" helped her cover up her marriage like she wanted while Cover said "yeah our talent can have boyfriends and husbands". They helped her more than Cover ever did.

>>68348469
>selen and mel
>but what about rushia?!
still grasping at straws?

>>68349350
Sounds like Cover is more based here. Rushia hoisted her own fucking petard. Harassed her husband, forcing him to notify her almost daily. Be so committed to maintaining her "single" image that she turned to a dramatuber to maintain the lie. Azki's rm may be married, but you don't see her trying to cover up that fact

>>68349350
If you missed the stream, the guy was streaming her texts live when she was having a breakdown which counts as insider info.

>>68348744
curious you bring this up here considering niji is the corpo where livers are openly dating eachother

>>68348614
Do they sell engagement rings?

>>68317485
Girls who are super cute, have a good personality, or are both, are 100% in a relationship. Being cute and having a good personality are prerequisites for gfe. This includes your oshi.

>>68349607
Nijikeks isn't just a meme

>>68349607
Do they sell engagement rings?

>>68349664
This is not being cute or having a good personality though. It's being manipulative and having no genuine personality. If you're trying to preserve your fantasy for GFE I understand, but if you're talking shop about how it actually works using a years old example, then I don't understand this delusion you're posting.

>>68348614
>>68349754
I saw that

>>68317485
This is a bite but I will just say you are so retarded to use it

>>68349572
He was showing what she wanted to be shown in order to prove that she is single.

>>68349785
Rushi irl is ridiculously attractive and good at faking a personality. This is an absolute honey trap for most men. It worked

>>68335275
The Niji Defence Force on their final legs everyone.
>Lllleave us alone so we can be containment,, just stop! Go back to your Black company.

>>68349839
Which is company info. Same thing that got her fired. The incident is why he, his friends and mafumafu are being harassed by fankeks.

All she had to do was listen to cover. Her scandal was very workable.

>>68338694
Because Mel could be liable for damages and sued depending on what kind of financial information it is. I honestly think whatever it was ended up being a huge fuck up that got treated small.

>>68349919
it really is embarrassing
>ctrl-f
results for anycolor = 2
results for cover = 32
holy shit lmao

>>68340340
Your sense of logic is retarded just cause you are grasping for a win with NijiEN dying.

>>68349754
they do actually have wedding themed merch kek

>>68350253
What's wrong about this logic?
You're not the one too talk about logic anyway. You can't even grasp that not everyone who dislikes Covers treatment of Mel cares about Kurosanji with your trannie brain.

>>68350201
Did you mess up your tabs while trying to damage control. Check context of OP. You can leave this thread because you've lost another one. Public opinion still stands Mel was too sudden but Hololive didn't behavd like a Black company like Nijiniggers desperately claimed they weren't.
How humiliating haha

>>68350432
hard at work or hardly working, ndfbro?

>>68340340
Corpo info is strictly protected. This policy is strengthened by decades of idol culture in Japan even before vtubing. That's why even Mel understood her fuckup and left as gracefully as she can.

>>68350431
Mel has been removed from the situation so of course whatever possible trouble has been settled. Whats important is that Cover would fight for her, not actively try to kill off their own. NijiEN culture can be said to be a reflection of JP as well. How grim

>>68350432
>behavd
beef up those twink fingers homie

>>68350611
I only get replies because I hurt someones feelings. What a joke I thought discussion wasn't about Niji lol

>>68350609
>Whats important is that Cover would fight for her
Which they showed how exactly?

>>68350726
what are you talking about? I just said to beef up those twink fingers, man. they should be strong or large enough for keystrokes to register

>>68350588
>Corpo info is strictly protected
Aka "corpo autism". Obviously wasn't actually important info, since everything got sorted so quickly and quietly. Therefore fuck Cover.

>>68350727
By her gens opinions speaking up how they talked with her. Lets compare that to NijiEN having a fuck party in Japan celebrating Selen being hospitalised and ghosting her. Pomu stayed at her hotel and dipped out at least. The rest of Niji besides their latest gen are suspect for being bullies.

>>68350884
This anon believes NDAs shouldn't exist and how a bhlusiness operates should be free information. I laugh at your stupidity. Haha

>>68350939
Her genmates are not Cover. Nothing against them (or any of the girls) obviously. Who did Cover show their willingness to fight for her?

>>68350201
He searched for anycolor, pick and choose your battles right :^)

>>68351032
This anon never had I real job before.

>>68351146
I agree too you should find a real job soon. Btfo

>>68351146
This has got be very humiliating but just another day of your life amirite lol

>>68326563
Funny how a growing number of talents leads to less lives per talent
At this point their own time is as much a bottleneck as studio time

>>68351146
Inb4 >>68351230
>>68351333
Reply with a low IQ bitch ass response

>tfw i'll get to witness nijicucks getting increasingly desperate as their EN branch slowly collapses
enna said it best : best year of my life

>>68350884
Leniency is not tolerated and should stay that way. Also, any kind of info is important info. Especially the way their business is operated. Current location of someone, relationships/marital status, even events that they recently did are carefully monitored.

These talents have fans that can tell what you typed based on just the sound of you hitting your keyboard. It's that important.

>>68351355
>their own time is as much a bottleneck
Rumao, ask Kiara

>>68317485
>goy
you're not even trying huh mr.schlomo.

>>68351401
Wtf are you on about?

>>68350884
>>68351032
Some anons just really have conceptual confusion. They want the western market and talents to be taken seriously, but also screw being serious just lets us do whatever we want. This is tumblr logic or something. When I sign a contract with breach clauses and an NDA with penalties of $20k per day of violation I make sure I don't violate it. It really is that simple.

>>68351410
It is known Niji accelerated successfully due to covid and they are run by a greedy JP. They had a strong Golden Generation but decided to dominate the male market at the expense of their girls. With their resources allocated only to the best of course infighting would occur. Their fans are so dumb I feel sorry for their talented individuals surrounded by the shitshow, they should just bail already. Mass Graduations confirmed.

>>68349754
Did you forget already?

>>68351416
>Leniency is not tolerated and should stay that way. Also, any kind of info is important info
Then it is impossible to enforce uniformly. They would have to eventually fire everyone. In real businesses there's always an NDA that covers everything (to cover companies ass just in case) and the info that you are actually warned and trained to not disclose.

>>68351601
Real thoughts, ok. Total Niji Death, not just EN, JP next

>>68351933
Fine by me. Still fuck Cover for Mel.

>>68351909
Is the definition of common sense missing from your dictionary, why am I not surprised.

>>68352091
Because you are a moron? You are the one trying to replace common sense with "sacred NDA".

>>68352077
Anon, she got the best send off ever seen with a terminated talent, and she admitted on her RM that she talked about something she shouldn't have with someone in confidence. There's no obscurity here.

>>68351117
naruhodo...

>>68351909
You just have to open your eyes bro. They have alot of talents operating right now. Obviously they have been enforcing it properly.

>>68352219
The didn't have to terminate her, could have done an express graduation. NDA enforced, lesson learned for the others, problem solved, memory preserved.

>>68317015
>Black company with Japanese bureaucracy vs Regular company with Japanese bureaucracy
Both "graduations" (hate that euphemism btw, they’re losing their fucking job, they aren’t finishing highschool) could’ve easily been prevented if all sides worked together for that goal.
It’s just that kurosanji is so much worse that it makes Mels look better.

Selen exit buried nijiEN. 1 more husband leak in hololive will bury vtubing as a whole.

>>68317015
Imagine supporting companies that can delete your favorite vtuber in a second before silencing them forever with NDAs.

>>68317485
Hey Schlomo, you’re not supposed to reveal yourself THIS early, stick to script ffs

>>68352533
when will she stream

>>68317089
What is this retarded cope?

>>68317015
What's Mel doing these days? Got any info?

In general corpo vtubers just aren't that talented. All the praise they get is after the fact, so fans can explain why they're fans in a rational and consistent way. But it's not real, it's the mind playing tricks on people to not think of themselves as easily manipulated idiots. It's irrefutable that many just aren't that talented independently besides a few that got big off dumb videos like that teacher guy. But that has less to do with talent and more to do with what vibes with morons today. Most of the Youtube comedians that were popular during the early years aren't around anymore, because morons moved on to the next moronic thing.

Since there aren't any genuinely talented people they're all replaceable. So, the least you should expect is that they're dedicated to the company's mission and they abide by agreements and conduct themselves professionally. When you lose that, you lose everything. Niji got burned because they were too loose on their hiring policy.

>>68352497
Thoses were not graduations but terminations, theres a reason why we have different words

>>68348744
Genuine Rushia husband experience

>>68352532
All husband leaks have been leaked already anon...

>>68348744
"Predatory"
You having a mental ilness is not the company's fault

>>68352497
They're not graduating, they're being terminated. Graduation is reserved for amicable severance. It comes from actual idol companies which most anons know nothing about. Because many idols are actually young girls and women graduation refers to them graduating from being young idols and moving on to adult life. You could argue that using the same terminology is due to a trend of infantalization of vtubers and you would be right. But these two aren't graduating at all. They were terminated for breaching contract agreements.

>>68352533
>before silencing them forever with NDAs.
The problem is that Niji is understaffed. If they weren't they would easily reach hololive levels of silencing everyone and everything everywhere. This whole hobby stands only because of censorship either from copros or self inflicted due to culture.

>>68349664
good personality? are you sure you're talking bout Rushia

>>68352863
Fair, though I wouldn’t exactly call Hololives reaction appropriate just because Niji (as usual) has the same thing but 100x worse.
If we went by that metric then Hololive literally had zero yabs.

>>68352805
I mean another hologirl having a husband. Not that twinks cum leaking into Rushia's hagloli pussy.

>>68352638
She's still on hiatus for mental health reasons.

>>68351793
I still have mine and I use it on my cock every other day.

>>68352988
All of holojp have been scanned already anon. If you still don't know who is married or not is on you.

>>68324090
What did they do to Rushia?

>>68348744
In no way is that predatory unless you believe that parasocial relationships and GFE are inherently predatory in and of themselves. But that doesn't make the faux engagement ring itself predatory, that's only the case if you believe the whole act is predatory from the get-go. For what it's worth, an actual engagement ring would have set you back for thousands at least. Those that bought it were buying a gimmicky toy. No adult in their right mind would think it's anything more than that, not even counting the fact that if you buy her ring then why do you get it? That means she's not wearing it. And why does every other fan get one too? It's obviously just a joke, part of the fantasy, for fun.

>>68353045
dangerously based

>>68353045
Well, strictly speaking they've erased Rushia.

>>68332562
>Selen is more like Rushia
This comparison is completely baseless. Take your meds.

Mel

>she breached NDA so we terminated her

Selen

>this bitchcunt tarnished the name of Nijisanji

Its like they wanted nijisisters to witch hunt her

>>68353075
>scanned already
Just like rushia got scanned when she was rushia and came out negative? Hololive meido plz....

>>68353240
Fuck, that's for >>68353179

>>68352847
she was knowingly deceiving her fans while pushing for a strong parasocial GFE and Cover was backing her with it all along

>>68352977
It doesn't matter if it's Nijisanji, Hololive, or Burger King. I'm not going to argue with people that get fired for breaching contracts and they and their friends whine that it's so unfair. You might have a point but it was unfair a hundred years before this happened. That's life and you have to deal with it. You sign a work contract and then they can fire you for breaking it. They're both adults and they agreed to that as well with their own free will. It sucks but that's life.

>>68353292
iirc they just got married recently at the time of the scandal. That's why the simple mistake happened.

>>68353234
This is a toy, my guy. How much did it cost you? $200? I got a plastic precure ring out of one of those ball gachas once. Cost me 500 yen.

>>68353366
>you can't point out corpo BS because it happens all the time

>>68353480
there's not really a market for vtuber chastity toys

>massive hololive w
>picture of a highly upvoted reddit thread
>200 replies
Entire board needs to be glassed

>>68353480
Wtf? people payed 200$ for that?

>>68353696
How do you know it's a pic from a highly upvoted reddit thread, anon?

>>68353366
It’s not that simple though. What constitutes "breaking a contract" and what does that entail? You might say it’s straightforward but lawyers exists exactly to figure this out in detail. There is always wiggleroom here and if both sides acted in good faith there’s no way there was no way around this.

>>68352638
>Mel doing these days?
literally me. literally.

>>68353574
No, you can complain and whine. You can become a staunch anti-capitalist. Heck, you can do whatever you goddamn well please. But don't expect contracts and companies to be sympathetic to your whining. There is a difference between doing what you want and believing you should and can change the world.

>>68330665
>Shitting your pants is just a common idiom for a fuck up in my language (yes, I'm ESL, fuck off).
If it wasn't an idiom in English you should probably say shitting in your pants. The abbreviation hints that it is also an idiom.

>>68335275
It was never about victory and peace. It was always about the battles and the blood of your enemies spilt on the ground.

>>68354042
NTA, but how are you certain there was a way around it? There seems to be a general certainty that she didn’t cause any major issue, but even without any malice, she may have done just that. I’m not saying it is preferable she was terminated, but still.

>>68354042
>What constitutes "breaking a contract" and what does that entail?
It is simple. It is exactly what the contract specifies, along with the associated penalties stipulated in the contract. If they have a non-compete they could also pursue legal recourse after termination, and demand the appropriate damages outlined in the contract. Nobody cares that you don't think this is fair, if you signed it of your own free will then you already accepted it. If they are in the wrong then you can sue them, you have that legal option, and there are firms that will take on such strong cases if you can't pay for a lawyer. What it comes down to is an implicit understanding that you actually did violate the contract and can't argue with it.

If you prefer society was different or socialist, then I'm not going to say there wouldn't be upsides. But things are the way they are, just whining doesn't change that people agree to things and then regret it later.

>>68354418
You seem to live in some utopian society, anon. It's never that easy in real life.

>>68354530
why are anons such experts on how contracts work in jp law I wonder? like is this board only holo and niji employees or something

>>68354530
If you don't punish breaches of contract, then your contract is worthless. Giving her a regular graduation sends every other talent that "Telling someone a small breach is a get out of contract free button" with little negative consequence to them and a bigger one to you.

>>68354530
That's a part of the problem. Everyone argues from their own experience, which is very different in different parts of the world. It's not the laws of physics.

>>68354530
I don't live in a utopia, and what I'm describing is arguably dystopian if you really think about it. The legal system, especially for civil law, is heavily in favor of large corporations. You can't do much to change it. I have signed many contracts with weird clauses and obeyed those clauses, including an NDA and 5 year non-compete under threat of $10k penalty for each month. I did not whine, complain, or break any of those contracts. Is it fair? No, not really. Does it suck? Sure. But that's life for everyone. You put on your big boy or big girl pants and you make the most of it. It's only in the age of social media with small e-celebs riling up their fans about how unfair corporate life is that anyone seems to pretend this is so unusual.

>>68354335
I didn't know these companies drive their workers to suicide

>>68354732
Most anons with two brain cells to rub together can figure out basic law stuff. Get a job, sign contracts, do it a few times, then you should pick up on how things go. Only an imbecile would never understand what is happening around them. Also, JP law is different to US and EU law, but laws aren't that different that they're incompatible or the principles aren't the same. They're all based on the same stuff and were not developed completely independently. Japan has a lot of the same labor laws similar to other countries so it's not a complete horrendous nightmare trying to have offices set up in other countries.

>>68354854
There are easier ways to get out of contract, and I don't think leaving either way is "little negative consequence" for Mel.

>>68355188
NTA but do you really think that Selen did not have the option to peacefully end her contract, graduate, and then release a changed version of her music video to fit her indie branding?

>>68355293
No idea, why are you asking me?

I don't even get the point of this when Mel herself on her main account and her roommate was like "Yea it was my bad I fucked up bad" and the left without throwing a shit or anything. Like would get it is she said literally anything, but she herself on both accounts said she messed up and everyone involved seemed sad it happened. It's not like you can let it slide after Rushia or it would look bad since she did the same thing even if not as bad.
Like big difference when you have the girl go on her roommate and say sorry I messed up and then someone go on their roommate and say they fucked me, they bullied me and made me try to kill myself.

>>68354418
Japan is different though when it comes to the legal system.
I’m not questioning how contracts work. I’m saying that they didn’t specify "when Mel does X on November 2nd, 2023, then she will be terminated", all of this is not as written in stone as you think. Given the fact that we’re most likely not talking about something super serious here, there wasn’t even some drama like with Rushia.
The thing is we need to take their word for it being appropriate and I just can’t say I can take their word for it. I’m not even talking about some vague sense of fairness but the actual contract

>>68355451
Because the whole argument is moot since we all know deep down that both Mel and Selen were bad actors and neither of them were completely innocent. We all know deep down that they both deserved to get fired, the only difference is how they went about it, accepting it or going full scorched earth.

>>68355469
Thank you for your support, can you do the left cheek next?

Congrats for having Reddit in your side

>>68355652
Can't read?

68355652
>No argument

I like how according to this thread you should be able to go around are your job screaming nigger and punching people in the face and you shouldn't be fired.

>>68355798
Anon you posted a random AI image with no argument, are you underage?

>>68355608
Oh god, you must be 15. Nobody thinks that contracts are exact predictions of the future. Who argued that? Nobody. So congratulations for figuring out that you live in the real world.
Japanese law is not as different as you seem to think it is. It has some specifics that are different, including protections that aren't as strict in the US. On the matter of the contract you sign it's not so different, you sign the agreement that spells out the conditions of your terminations, and in many cases the penalties you can expect for other types of breaches.
If you're someone that is going to try and turn around and debate "what is a rule really anyway?" when you get the result for breaking a rule then just never sign a contract. She clearly isn't innocent and she's not going to pursue a legal battle against them because she knows it's her own fault. Court of public opinion is just a banana court and she's guaranteed to win there.

>>68355799
Works for Millie

>>68355719
Idk, can you? It has already been discussed ad nauseam itt.

>>68355799
But the contract didn't say I shouldn't do those EXACT things in that EXACT order on that EXACT day. So how can we really say I was at fault there?

>>68355964
Guess you can't or are like 14.

>>68356003
But you don't understand, Japan is just so different it's probably fine to do it there.

>>68353240
>they erased Rushia
?????

>>68355939
Who is arguing that Cover is in the wrong legally? The point is for how saddened and regretful they pretend to be, they didn't have to fuck her this hard. In the end it is their decision how to deal with this contract breach.

>Mel goes our very professionally knowing she fucked up consider what happened and handled everything super well
>Underage people run her through the mud to make it seem like she should sue Cover or something
Stop being retarded and using Mel for being retarded, ok?

>>68355939
You did? My point is that you have legal experts to work out the meanings and implications of contracts. If you knew one thing about law theory you would know that it’s never this black and white as you seem to believe. You can say "well she broke NDA" but that already is a matter of how legal experts determine it believe it or not. Unless it’s too severe but at this point I’m simply guessing it wasn’t, considering the lack of any other shitstorm associated with it. Point is, a good lawyer would probably have been able to work something out regardless of how clear you believe the situation to have been

>>68356156
Blame Rushia for that one buddy. It probably wouldn't have had to go that harshly if not for shit she pulled. They can't fire one person over NDA and then go "No, it's ok you're super cool so you get to stay" when they do the same thing.

>>68356156
All companies regret having to fire employees they spent money to train, especially if they invested so much time and money in developing their brand.

>>68356178

>>68355652
Now do the ballsack

what makes riku's anus so appetizing for nijibros?

>>68356205
>You did?
No I didn't, so I won't read the rest of your post either. You're clearly not in the right state of mind if you're reading what you think instead of what is posted.

>>68356291
Are you a child?, stop dragging Mel into your bullshit shit

>>68356245
But NDA does not = NDA. Even in contracts, especially to their implications.
It is not the same to spout out in public the addresses of every staff member and every project they plan for the next 5 years vs. texting your mom how happy you are about the upcoming event

>>68356178
you don't understand, my corpo is SO much better than that corpo! ignore the terminations and suicide attempt, they deserved it for disrespecting tazumi-san, my one true love

>>68356245
Yes, blame everyone except Cover. Don't forget Kotoka.

>>68317357
homobeg leaves no survivors

>>68324877
>Implying Selen is a bad person

Your mask is slipping you slime.

>>68356302
Wow and you’re calling me underage with such a childish reaction.

>You now Niji bullied someone to trying to kill themselves and then fired them
>BuT WhAt AbOuT HoLoLiVe
Hololive is evil wow look how evil they are then got someone to kill themselves and took down their own 15k project on Christmas day, wait what?

>>68319455
>Marketshares
Bad comparison because Shareholders love what Riku does more than what Yagoo does.

>>68356331
I'm not dragging Mel into anything. It's just useless to argue with braindead Ccoverdrones like you, trust me, I've tried.

>>68356518
>cover
>cover
>cover
the ultimate boogeyman...

You know why NDF fags keep making deflection threads? Because it works. Just look at the past 80 replies or so.

>Nothing saying Hololive did anything wrong even the talents after they leave say nothing bad about them and they liked working there
>Niji openly does fucking mustache twirling evil things to their talents, Talents leave and openly shit on them they how terrible they were and badly they were treated
>Did you know though that (headcanon) thing that has no proof is happening though
Like until you get literally fucking anything at just stop.

>>68356560
Not the ultimate, Kurosanji are obviously worse. Doesn't mean Yagoo is the second messiah.

>>68356623
One thread really doesn't make a difference when there is is like 20 threads shitting on niji and all of twitter and YouTube shitting on them

>>68356657
didn't mention yagoo, just curious why you bring him up so often

>>68317089
Mel said in her pl account (well not pl anymore) that the reasons for termination were real while the dragoon call the company a bunch of snakes

>>68356717
ndf trying to deflect from the tazumi rimming meme while proving it correct at the same time...

>>68356717
I this particular case I mentioned him because you don't like me saying Cover. How should I call them for your liking?

>>68356772
And Rushia didn't exactly praise the company on her PL. Your point?

>>68356410
It's not childish, there is nothing else that can be done here.

>>68356898
>>68349466

>>68356898
Wasn't Rushia sorta confirmed a little bit ago to be an actual psycho bitch IRL too?
Plus, even when shit happened, she came across like a wreck in all sense of the word. I wouldn't trust the shit she says in any real capacity, being that she broke an NDA in the most retarded way possible.

>>68321891
Handled amicably is good to a point but it doesn't do her any favors going forward. Oh so they won't sue her ass into the ground, that's very kind of them. But they also will play no role in helping her bounce back going forward. She is completely on her own now and probably hemorrhaged some autistic JP fans who decided to stick with the corpo. Her future may as well be donezo unless she manages to pull a miracle out of her ass.
I don't see how Mel's exit is any happier of a tale just because there was some tears, well wishes and handshakes.

>>68324005
>By contrast, Selen was terminated and then her RM immediately put the cause on being bullied.
Niji cited that Selen complained about being bullied. Selen's not the one that first brought it up.

mel shouldn't have been fired, these autistic agencies and japanese bugmen corporate practices are such bullshit

Holy shit, these retards arguing against Mel's termination don't seem to know jack about what a fucking NDA is.

>>68357960
I'm aware of it but her being outside of the company with less fan support than she had as a bottom rung of HoloJP is really bad for her future career prospects.
Sure she has no scarlet letter printed on her forehead because of the graceful exit but what exactly does she have going for her in her favor?

>>68357960
a majority of this board is jobless, anon. it is what it is

>>68358094
The fuck does that have to do with anything said so far?

>>68358094
>she has no scarlet letter printed on her forehead
Except she has. She was still publicly fired for breaking the contract, fake corpo good wishes don't change that.
>>68358138
And it's this majority, ironically, that cries about the sacrity of NDAs.

>>68358239
what the fuck do you propose they did instead other than give her a graduation (termination) stream?

>>68358192
People comparing how good Mel's exit was to Selen's exit
Mel's exit was good FOR Cover, not for her.
Selen is getting the community rallying around her in an immense wave of support
Where is that wave of support for Mel? How is Mel's situation better than Selen's?

>>68358239

>>68358314
> give her a graduation stream
That's exactly what I proprose they should have done, graduate her peacefully.

>>68358239
>Except she has. She was still publicly fired for breaking the contract, fake corpo good wishes don't change that.
Ok I stand corrected about no black mark on her, why are people in this thread then saying how much better handled Mel's exit was if she is even more fucked than Selen going forward?

>>68358518
Because Cover can do nothing wrong. Except the homos.

>>68358461
>graduate her peacefully.
Save for no goodbye stream, that's exactly what happened? There was 0 fuss, no drama, just parting ways.
>>68358518
>>68358332
Are you seriously fucking asking why Mel's exit was better than Selen's when Selen was driven to attempt suicide before her termination, she got her channel deleted BEFORE the termination was announced, Anycolor issued a 3 page long statement talking about why Selen fucking sucks KNOWING she had attempted to commit suicide, and to top it all off Selen was not even made aware of her termination until the tweet was published? Selen even asked to be let go on neutral terms.
>oh but she's now less popular than before!!
You fucking psychos think it'd be better if she was fired ungracefully with a shitton of drama just for the prospect of her being more popular than if she wasn't? Because that's 90% of the reason Selen is doing "well" after her termination, because it made so much noise and she was treated so fucking horribly that fans and even people who never watched her are coming out in droves to show rightful support. But you think Selen is glad she was driven to attempt suicide and be treated so terribly just because she's now getting more numbers than if she had just graduated normally? You niggers are fucking sick.

>>68358891
only noombers matter anon, doesn't matter how you get them and what you have to deal with and go through to get them. anyone would rather be in selen's shoes instead of mel's!

>>68358518
Because there's pretty much nothing else that could've been done, it was the best way they could've ended it.
Breaking an NDA is something that has to be punished and there is no other way around it, because if not then that sets an absurdly bad precedent for the company and anyone associated with it, she absolutely had to be fired for it. The fact she didn't get any legal repercussion nor anything further than just a "Here're your keys, pack your stuff and go back home. Sorry." is huge. It being a mark on her is unavoidable, but that's more her fault than anyone else's, as the one that broke it, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

>>68358891
>There was 0 fuss, no drama, just parting ways.
It's not just parting ways, because:
1.As already mentioned she still has a mark of breaking the contract. JP autists started attacking her for that straight on her RM tweet.
2.All of her years of work are gonna get removed with her channel. Presumably she wouldn't even be mentioned on the offical website, same as Rushia. That is not how you should treat your OGs, unless they literally murdered someone.

>>68358891
you think niji bootlickers actually care about selen/doki? you're barking up the wrong tree here

>>68359347
>Anyone questioning cover ways is a niji bootlicker
Actually braindead.

>>68359323
>JP autists started attacking her for that straight on her RM tweet.
And JP niggers were also shitting on Selen and blaming her termination on her for not listening to management. The only disadvantage Mel has here is that she's also japanese.
>All of her years of work are gonna get removed with her channel. Presumably she wouldn't even be mentioned on the offical website, same as Rushia. That is not how you should treat your OGs, unless they literally murdered someone.
That's how terminations fucking work, and it's not like she's being erased from history, see Niji trying to erase Zaion from everywhere including existing music covers and shit. Yes, you can always bitch about how they can do even better than how they did it, and I would agree with you, I would've loved to see her do one last stream and that her channel wouldn't get privated, but all things considered it was still handled well. She was able to issue one last statement, she hasn't become taboo, and she confirms this was a mutual agreement and that she made a mistake. If Selen is faring better in this case it's because Anycolor said something and Selen claimed otherwise, and nobody believes a word Anycolor says at this point.

>>68359347
>you think niji bootlickers actually care about selen/doki?
Not only is that not even my point, but also if anything it reinforces it because that just means she didn't have to go through all that bullshit just to get her same core audience eventually. Also fuck you mean "niji" bootlickers?

>>68358891
How is Mel's situation any better when she lost a beloved pet and is super depressed? How do we know that during this radio silence she hasn't had dark thoughts and maybe attempted something? With all this quietness, Mel is set for a return that will be meek at best. As much as the drama and shitstorm that Selen went through was, it may be well worth it in 3 years if this catapults her to the heights of EN indie vtubers.
Where do you think Mel is going to be in 3 years?
Tell me that, what do you realistically think Mel's career prospects will be in 3 years.

>>68359633
reread my post, shitskin mongrel. I was talking about the anons who would rather mel be involved in some sort of accident so she could have her old numbers again, as if selen's situation is a cynical strategy for success that should be replicated. of course you bring up cover for no reason again, ndf is so fucking desperate it hurts

>>68359919
I'm the second anon that replied to you, now I see what you mean, my bad lol.

>>68359919
Oh fair then
noomberanons are all cynics though, you should know this

>>68359844
>it was still handled well
The fact that it was better than Selen's doesn't mean it was handled well. Would be hard to handle it worse.
>she confirms this was a mutual agreement
How does this retarded argument keep coming up? Could she refuse getting fired?

>>68359919
>ndf is so fucking desperate it hurts
Still insisting someone is defending niji in this conversation. Actually braindead.

>>68359864
>but what if what if what if
it's always the same shit with you retards. here's the facts: selen was horribly mistreated and tried offing herself; people know this directly from her and are now showering with support. mel broke her contract when she was in a "dark spot" and confided info to someone, she was fired and was allowed to issue a goodbye and moved on with her life.
anything else you claim is literally just your fucking headcanon, and as far as the fact goes mel's termination has been objectively better for her wellbeing than selen's ever was, regardless of how much her noombers will grow because of all the shit she had to endure.

>>68360109
>Would be hard to handle it worse.
yet nijisanji makes it look so fucking easy, have you already forgotten about selen? what about gundou, yugo? yeah you dumb nigger you can make any termination look like the worst fate ever just by virtue of saying "but their content was deleted and they now won't have as much noombers compared to being in one of the two top vtuber agencies in the world!!!!" but at the end of the day that's the risk vs reward of joining a fucking corpo. are you going to bitch about music labels taking creative control from the artists now? everyone fucking knows they suck, but some people don't mind the tradeoff and if that's so then good for them. don't like it? go indie. that doesn't change the fact that your typical corpo bullshit can be at least handled humanely (mel) instead of like a fucking cartoon villain (selen).

>>68360476
>have you already forgotten about selen
Learn to read. "Hard to handle it worse" was comparing to Selen.

>>68359919
I am not suggesting anything of the sort that Mel should attempt ‘An Hero’. I’m just pointing out the obvious that Selen has chanced upon a situation that may lead to a potentially better career as an indie than she ever had as a corpo.
And you still haven’t answered my question, where do you realistically see Mel’s career in 3 years?
How is her situation any better if she ends up hanging her hat and quit being an online entertainer in those next 3 years.

>>68348108
Fuck off nijinigger.

>>68360476
Why did you put dark spot in quotes? The only time you do something like that is when you question the validity of it. Sounds like you have little to no faith in Mel and may explain why you don’t care what happens to her.

>>68360679
okay, cool. now please address literally everything else i fucking said. like that other fag said, yes you can always bitch more and claim the thing could have been handled even better everytime, but just because something could be done better doesn't mean it wasn't done good enough

>>68360784
and be fucking honest: do you honestly care about mel's content? would you choose to watch her instead of anyone else we've talked about so far? because if you ask me, even if she had been terminated disgracefully and made a huge shitstorm and somehow got people to shit on cover and side with her unconditionally, you can't convince me she'd retain 10% of that audience. and also, you've been saying she should've been able to keep her content and have a graduation stream, that would've been the best sendoff possible. okay, then what? would that suddenly mean her career is saved and that her success was assured?

>>68360947
here you go you stupid fucking nigger: she said she was in a dark spot. no quotation marks, even though i've been using them literally to fucking quote like they're supposed to.

>>68361003
>but just because something could be done better doesn't mean it wasn't done good enough
Nothing to address here, this is a retarded argument.
Just because something wasn't a complete shitshow doesn't mean it was done good enough - equally valid.

>>68361003
>do you care about Mel’s content and plan to follow her?
Yes, why do you think I’ve been talking so much about being worried about her future prospects and if she may decide to quit being an online entertainer? This situation is absolute shit for her regardless if it’s deserved or not.

>>68361163
You haven't made a single good argument for why it wasn'y handled well except saying shit that happens to quite literally anyone who gets terminated.

>>68360234
you're so noseblind to literal shit it's actually hilarious.
>>68360784
>This is the 109th IP in this thread.
perish, phoneposter