/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>68286882
>livers
Also how would they betray them if the vtubers are keeping their IP?
All of the Vshojo vtubers could just walk away from vshojo if they wanted.

>Rejected corpo livers?
If anything it's probably an Ironmouse clique, as evident by silvervale's scathing comments about their relationship.

cant believe Vwhorejo ended up being the lesser evil out of the corpo tubers

>>68287282
Mouse has a lot of influence there for sure, but to be fair to her, Silver's complaining was kinda retarded. Friendship is a 2 way street. Silver can't really complain that she hasn't spoken with Mouse in months and that Mouse is not reaching out to her when Silver could have been the one to reach out just as easily.

>>68287282
Silvervale is just mentally ill and always envied Ironmouse's success. Remember she was also the girl who told her diamond tier patreons how garbage parasocial vtuber orgs are on her discord.

just so you know unlike with mika and pomu there has been zero hints or any effort of vshojo and its talents attempting to poach selen or dokibird

>>68288416
Because she wasn't released until today.
Vshojo didn't reach out to Matara and Kuro until after their graduations were set in stone.

>>68286882
why take a risk on some low three view or something when you can just hire talents who you know already have a good audience?

they mostly take much larger talents and then they're basically just a really basic streamer org that does minor publicity/sponsor deals

They're somewhat bare bones compared to others in terms of what collaborative work and projects they offer, but when there are companies taking like double their cut in exchange for somehow EVEN LESS effort...

>>68287282
>ironmouse clique
why do people even believe this, vshojo is more a zen clique then anything these days and silvervale still likes zen

>>68286882
More deflection nijishits? Work on yourselves for once and you would’ve avoided this PR and management shitshow. Congrats on surpassing and leaving vshojo in the dust as laughing stock of the vtubing world

>>68286882
>livers

>>68286882
>livers

>>68288590
If vshojo were zen clique there would be about a million members. People join vshojo by passing the ironmouse filter.

yeah sounds like an incredible business model dude

>>68288578
>They're somewhat bare bones compared to others in terms of what collaborative work and projects they offer
I think they are doing fairly good for the far lower cut they take than other orgs.
And talents can always invest most of their resources / money as they see fit, for example Ironmouse getting tons of outfits or Matara recently stating she wants to buy a house with her own 3D studio.

>>68288301
>>68287282
Silver is just a jealous cunt and was really grasping for anything or trying to start beef for another drama boost.

>>68286882
>livers
But to answer your question, no, because there's not really a mechanism for Vshojo to betray them. Vshojo doesn't own shit. They basically just take a merch split and offer some basic behind-the-scenes support in return. I'm pretty sure they don't even have exclusive merchandising rights.

>>68289840
They can also put their money in without worry since if things don't go well with vshojo for whatever reason, they can take all their stuff with them to go indie.

>>68286882
>honeypot
I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>>68287205
>All of the Vshojo vtubers could just walk away from vshojo if they wanted.
4 already have.

>>68290597
yes... and?

>>68290597
Yeah, and they got to keep all their shit. Compare that to companies that own the character, so they'd all have to restart from scratch as indies.

>>68290597
Yes? Being able to have two organizations to work with to being able to work just in one to some (Nazuna and Veibae) and/or join a company within days (Silvervale and Nyanners) while keeping their IP and walk Scott-Free legally, they aren't being betrayed or left for dead by the COMPANY, creators aren't also obligated to not collab with them, they just choose not to for personal reasons, but there's nothing stopping them, other than having a vagina.

>>68286882
Once Ironmouse inevitably catches a cold and dies due to complications from her SuperAIDS, Vshojo is going to collapse.

>>68290597
ok? that's a good thing and shows people are able to walk away with their stuff freely if they don't feel like a fit anymore.

>>68286882
>After they've collected a certain number of them, are they going to be betrayed and left for dead?
What would that even look like in reality? They are pretty hands off as it is compared to other corps.

Ghost them? Stop arranging sponsorships? Force them to sign new terms on their contracts to take a bigger cut? Sabotage the relationships between talents?
Seems a lot of them can just leave at the end of their contract if they don't like it and keep their assets. Maybe even sooner if management doesn't withhold their end of the contract like not paying them or something. The company doesn't seem like they hold that much power all things considered.

>>68290597
allowing them to keep ther character and identity is pretty based, something I wish the others would copy like so many good designs gone forever

>>68291434
I love cockroach mommy, but I can never deny that I wish she could've kept the god tier fox mommy design.

>>68291418
Unironically ghosting them or arranging them sponsorships also fucks them up, so they have no power in them by that. The contract part might be right, they probably did have written bigger cuts for the talents that barely did sponsors, but even that it's negotiable and/or a reason to leave and walk away normally. And as for relationships, they barely got a hand in there until last year, because most of the non corpo collabs were done by dm's and managers had no idea unless they were approached to, GEEGA and Matara pushed to use the collab channels because that pushes the managers to remind them instead of getting lost in dms. Even the Corpo collabs you could miss them if you wanted too, the last one they did before those 3 left, was missing Silvervale, Nazuna and Hime, with Vei in there while being high as shit

>>68291144
Mouse, Zen, and Geega are all in two talent agencies. Mouse and Zen with Vshojo and UTA, and Geega with Vshojo and MSM. Geega notably joined Vshojo after already being in MSM for a very long time. Vshojo is very hands off with what everyone does and who they team up with and get sponsorships with. They just help when they're asked from whenever the members talk about them.

>>68290915
exactly.
>>68291144
>>68291292
>>68291434
I'm not anti-VShojo, they rescued my oshi after all.

So it's AnyColor's fault that their talents break the rules? No. This is on the talents

>>68292112
Ah, the way you said it felt a bit antagonistic.

>>68292308
If the work environment is antagonistic enough, then yes, it is the company's fault.

>>68286882
Vshojo's existence is primarily in the negative space of the major vtuber orgs, which isn't a diss it's just the reality of it. They are defined by being !holo and !niji. You might make the same arguments for phase, but they are very much defining themselves more objectively than vshojo is.

More power to'em imo. I'm glad there was someone able to pick up the slack for the talents who were sick and tired of the bullshit.

>>68289569
Why does everybody love Zen?

>>68287282
its over, you have summoned the ironlung fags
she could literally kill someone and they would still defend her

>>68293664
Everyone loves a door knocker, not a knob sucker

>>68293078
It wasn't always like this
In the early days, Vshojo was a talent-first org with the bare minimum management infrastructure so that a group of girls who all liked each other could concentrate on talent and promote one another more via the network effect without having to worry about the shitty restrictive aspects of working for a corpa
Then the initial core group started to splinter over dumb shit, the managers wanted to grow the org but fucked up the auditions in a way that brought a ton of bad PR and worsened the splintering, and Vshojo chose to expand by bringing in a bunch of ex-corpo vtubers instead of western indies
Now they've relegated themselves to being the "I wonder if so-and-so will go Vshojo" punchline instead of having an identity in their own right in the public's eyes. It's sad because there are a lot of perks to the Vshojo model (less worry about perms, the talent can collab with whomever they like, if a streamer decides to quit they can keep their model and stream) and they have some great streamers who take advantage of those perks to make some great content, but the brand just has less of a recognizable identity than most of the other groups out there.

>>68286882
“Livers” Nijifag spotted, the rest of the world call them vtubers

>>68293664
no real drama, consistent and collabs with 90% of indies and corpos. also zen is just an oldfag in the vtubing sphere, many people just look up to zen as an example cause if you can make it as some TTS mute then anyone can

>>68286882
>will Vshojo throw away all their money for no reason?
Yes that makes total sense, any week now

>>68294465
VShojo not having a bold, encompassing identity is part of the point
All the talents under VShojo are treated and seen as individuals, rather than "one of those VShojos"
They have had a much stronger group cohesion within the last year, particularly since Henya joined, but they are at their core an association of individuals.

>>68293664
Oldfag who arranges a ton of collabs and doesn't gossip. Worst behavior is being a troll during games. Outside of here, people don't obsess about who's really being the model.

>>68288354
as someone who watched vshojo from the beginning, I never really liked silvervale. to see her leave and gain henya was such a massive upgrade

>>68290597
>kept everything
>weren't bullied into suicide attempts
>weren't slandered by backpack man on the way out
This isn't the own you think it is, Enna.

>>68294652
>>68295875
I've seen her in collabs with ex-Achievement Hunters, Seananners, and ChilledChaos
She gets around

>>68290597
>nijiniggers think this is a massive own when they've lost 4 livers already in one month
kek

>>68290597
>Their biggest drama whores all left
That's a good thing.

>>68290275
No wonder she and vei are best friends kek she's just as toxic

>>68296429
they are hardly even friends. it was just a pr stunt to present themselves as such but they didn't really do much together after leaving.

>>68286882
Yes it is AEW for vtubers.

>>68296089
Plus her big sister dynamic with Henya is fucking priceless
Using chat TTS like a ventriloquist uses a dummy is great too

>>68286882
They're just a collection of sleeze, dude. They won't really screw them over since they don't take that much but give absolute jack shit as well. They're just the ultimate leech company, that's their thing.

>>68293664
Zen was on the ground floor of EN vtubing, which means she was and is a big inspiration for many vtubers.
Furthermore, she's an absolute ride or die. Nothing will stand in her way if you need her help or support.
And finally, she's very extroverted and has made for herself a reputation of essentially breaking down your door for collabs, and she doesn't care about clout/size, content style or company. Her and Haruka are probably the two most well-connected vtubers in the business, arguably even more than Mouse.

>>68291252
>He still believes in the superAIDs

>>68297189
>They won't really screw them over since they don't take that much but give absolute jack shit as well.
They produce merch, find sponsors and help with events. What else could you want?

>>68297189
vshojo has a financial department that handles all of the transactions/payment info to artists and sponsors as well as assigning managers to each talent which lets them focus on entertaining instead of the shitload of paperwork that goes on

>>68297387
It's been 7 years, nijisis, either post the evidence or back to astroturfing /vt/

>>68295573
also having no gens is helpful in letting everyone be individual and not having constant comparisons within the gen or gen vs gen.

>>68299605
Yeah, the way people will literally tribalfag within the same company is fucking wild

>>68287282
Silver has more baggage than LaX. Anyone still have the clip of melting down when chat wanted her play with Mouse?

>>68299701
ZAMTRAYA SUCKS

>>68297262
Mouse's connections are extremely far-reaching, but she's mostly been branching outside of the traditional vtubing sphere. Zen and Haruka both don't have the same reach, but it's almost entirely self-contained with vtubers so they're much more likely to just be seen hanging around with people unannounced or something.
>>68300316
That's a good thing.

>>68294465
What is VSJ's revenue model? I legitimately don't know. Last I heard they had all merch rights or something, and everything else goes to the talent aside from twitch/youtube cut.

>>68300664
Stream income (subs, bits, etc): 100% talent

Merch income (VShojo-produced or : a partnership VShojo has with a supplier): Unknown% talent, but it's above 50
Merch income (Entirely talent-produced): 100% talent

Sponsorship income (Sponsors that the talent acquires themselves or approach the talents directly): 100% talent
Sponsorship income (That VShojo themselves acquire for the talent): Unknown

>>68300664
IIRC they only take a cut from merch and sponsors

>>68300664
They take a cut from merch and sponsors which they have a hand in producing/procuring.
The talents are free to strike merch deals and sponsors independently or with another agency if they have one (e.g. Mouse and Zen with UTA and Geega with MSM).

And... that's about it.
Their merch cut is also lower than 50%, according to Geega.

It's 2024 and terminally /here/ corpo drones still don't know how Vshojo works

>>68301663
Always fun to see people discover there are actual reasons someone who's left a corpo would be willing to join VShojo even though it's also a corpo. Japanese corpos and VShojo are basically different things entirely.