/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6822793
>That's entering black company territory.
Stop using that term if you don't know what it actually mean. What is "regularly scheduled programming"? Cover's goal is to cast the widest possible net to have people watching their chuubas as much as possible for the longest possible time. Setting up time slots for them eliminates scheduling conflicts and allows Cover to transfer the audience from chuuba to chuuba when they stream solo and have them invested into all of them when they stream together.

Assuming peak viewership starts at 5pm or 6pm they can have four to six time slots, spread two hours apart from each other to cover the entire NA prime time schedule daily. Another way to go about it is to have them stream longer streams on alternating days and fill in the gap days with content uploads for the people that don't bother with streams.

There's so many ways that these girls could avoid overlapping each other it's ridiculous that no one has brought it up or even tried it to begin with.

>>6826162
Here is "streaming hours" chart for Hololive EN.

People were talking about "viewer retention" for Ina and this chart has the explanation
>very regular schedule, outside the peak hours for EN
Cali is clearly operating on JP hours and so was Kiara, it seems.
Ame and Gura share the US prime time with Amelia taking the first few hours and Gura the final few.

IRyS will have to squeeze herself between noon and 4PM if she wants some breathing room, which in JST it would be the graveyard hours (1AM to to 5AM), hours nobody streams because they're sleeping.

>>6826760
They already spread, see >>6826871. It is just that the newbie will have to either risk overlapping or accomodate and pick a less desirable hour.

>>6826871
>hours nobody streams because they're sleeping.
Don't Watame and Flare stream at those hours?

Is hiyoko dead, are we reaching the end?

>>6826871
12 - 2 pm JST during Japan's lunchbreak or 6-8 am JST would be good for her. Competing with Gura's timeslot is like streaming over Pekora hours unless she's playing non-debuff games like Minecraft.

anons really supporting the idea of micromanaging talents and building some kind of 24/7 constant holo programming akin to television that boomers are used to

>vnuma is down
Okay, what is the point of these threads? Everyone will discredit any data coming during this period so trends will be hard to argue.

>>6827093
Assumed he was just going with EN based off the graph, but yeah the early morning is generally Flare and Watame prime time.

I want estimations on the debuts this week. Will they beat Selejo? Those livers had 25k, 23k, 20k, 17k, and 17k for their debuts.

NijiEN2's debuts shattered my expectations (all 3 at >15k). I feel like they are inclining all around. Their subs are way higher than I anticipated and the average views are higher than I thought.

>>6827182
>Competing with Gura's timeslot is like streaming over Pekora hours unless she's playing non-debuff games like Minecraft.
>Gura's timeslot
Things is, it's going to happen anyways because Cover will release more EN chuubas in the future. Unless they somehow luck into finding 5 Euro golds, there's no way that the girls won't stream at EST/EDT friendly times.

The biggest problem in all of this schedule kerfuffle is Ame, because she seems to want to stream whenever she wants, which isn't wrong, but it curves everyone else.

>>6827093
>Don't Watame and Flare stream at those hours?
Streaming over those hours: yes. Starting at those hours? Not really

>>6827252
>supporting the idea of micromanaging talents
The talent can manage themselves.
Saying it is smart to avoid overlapping (like they already do, see >>6826871 for EN example) is what numberfags do and par for the course in a numbers thread

>>6827401
>because she seems to want to stream whenever she wants
True (pic related) but, as >>6827401 said there are only so many hours in a day and more girls as time passes.

>>6827621
Here is Ina. Where is she streaming from? These are some odd hours

>>6827308
Vnuma isn't down, it's dead. It's been for the past three days now. We're using playboards and holostats in the interim.

>>6827683
Gura

>>6827736
Kiara

>>6827789
Calli

So I guess Selen only performs very well during Apex? She seems to be under 2k

>>6827855
Being under 2k is par for the course in NijiEN at these dead as fuck hours. No one is home from work and school for another 3 hours. There is no golden euro market to tap that these threads believe there is.

>Zhangs are fucking shameless
Speaking of LoFi girl numbers (20k live viewers pretty much 24/7) some zhang living in Japan cloned the channel to a T, except with a gender bent LofiGirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reLhTpKTuPo

>>6827855
It's way too early to decide whether Apex is her niche for high numbers, everyone went to watch because news of her being a former Apex predator reached everyone, even JOP. Give it a month and we'll see if they stick around.

>>6827683
>Where is she streaming from?
I know it's definitely NA but I don't know exactly which time zone. She could be closer to the east than to the west give than one of her sponsored Miku streams was in the morning and she get the sounds of a lawnmower blasting into her room.

>>6827983
EVERYONE copies that channel. You can find a lo-fi xyz beats to xyz to stream for nearly anything, it's just that not all of them are 24/7. There's a fucking Simpsons one out there.

>>6828221
Maybe not in the continental US?

>>6827683
West coast.
Ina has a weird sleep schedule.

>>6828411
Just so you know. This is the particular stream at the particular time that it happened: https://youtu.be/j2kLlNibmrk?t=6483

>>6828875
Haha, reminded me of this

So, Subnautica is a debuff game? Peko didn't perform well with it.

>>6829754
Busy day today with
>Ayame
>Oozora Police on Minecraft
>Botan-Nene collab on Minecraft
>Bakatare collab
>Rússia-Noel ASMR collab
>Choco-Reine collab
>Suisei playing Tetris
Some speculated there may have had an “All hands on deck” scheduled meeting that dammed all the girl streams into the same slot.

>>6828411
We know where she lives, do your archive reps to find out because I'm not taking a hit from the jannies by telling you

>>6830575
Doesn't sound like good news if it's a "all hands on deck" meeting.

>>6826871
ina's consistency is a sight to behold

>>6830741
If I were to continue speculating I would assume it’s about communicating the new rules on gifts, maybe update the girls on Haachama and Shion (and lay down new rules on airing dirty laundry publicly), maybe announce the next debuts (EN2?), a definite timeline for merging the MC servers.
There were other occasions some girl or the other mentioned these meetings, nowadays it’s easier because remote work tools are more widespread.

It looks like a decade went by but it is only a little over a year since the highest subbed Holo
>Fubuki
Had only 700k subs. Today Nene reached that milestone and the general reaction is
>yeah, good for her, ganbatte nene chan

>>6832387
Hololive pretty much mogs everyone for subcounts.
By the end of the year over half of hololive will be over 1m. Crazy how much the company grew.

>>6827182
11PM is the sweet time. It's reddit time. NAs still awake, JPs and SEA about to be on lunch.

>>6830741
Marine's graduation. Its been a long time coming. Good thing ichimis are rational and not terribly emotionally attached to her.

Give me Gen 2.

First time Pekora gets an uncontested JP lead?

>>6827373
Yes, wave 2's debut streams did get really good numbers. It's been only 2 months since wave 1 and their debut stream had 25%-35% more live views than the 1st wave. The first wave had the new and shiny buff too. Great growth for the branch.

>>6826162
>Consistently nets over $2k in SC for every non-collab stream
What's the secret behind her power?

>>6833061
>makes twice what I make in a day per stream even after the Susan and Cover tax
Why wasn't I born a Nene?

>>6832791
I know this is bait but it wouldn't surprise me if Festival called it quits. She's pretty much become the black sheep of the family and the only thing that might be holding her back is fear of the unknown, of what happens once she graduates.

>>6833061
Ask Kiara, because she does the same shit even in her supachat/zatsudan streams.

>>6833061
>be young and moderately talented
>be cute IRL (yes, it makes a difference) and have a cute+sexy avatar (some people say, I think her avatar is ugly)
>act like an overconfident retarded child most of the time but be actually smart about it, establishing yourself as a lovable idiot
>call your viewers your husbands
>make sex jokes and explore your sex appeal in general
>spare a lot of time for just talking with the viewers
She has it down to a formula. Definitely a winner in the GFE game

>>6834260
>establishing yourself as a lovable idiot

Update on the upcoming Nijisanji JP Wave
>Axia Krone 13.1K / 73.1K Followers
>Lauren Iroas 11.6K / 63.4K Followers
>Leos Vincent 9.63K / 61.8K Followers
>Oliver Evans 12.6K /79.8K Followers
>Lain Paterson (Female) 16.3K /74.1K Followers

A couple of observations:
>I still don't understand the gap between twitter followers and Youtube subs. As you can see, twitter followers are practically 5x as many compared to their respective youtube subs. I know Nijisanji paid to be tagged as a Topic on twittter but still it does kind of support the premise that the main driver for most Nijisanji events are tourist and explains why very few Nijisanji streamers ever crack 5 digit viewerships
>It's likely that none of them are getting past Tutorial Boss Ankimo even post debut.
>I really wanna get an idea how they compare to the previous JP wave. Does anyone have Selene's stats pre and post-debut?

>>6835092
>I still don't understand the gap between twitter followers and Youtube subs. As you can see, twitter followers are practically 5x as many compared to their respective youtube subs. I know Nijisanji paid to be tagged as a Topic on twittter but still it does kind of support the premise that the main driver for most Nijisanji events are tourist and explains why very few Nijisanji streamers ever crack 5 digit viewerships
Japanese people REALLY FUCKING like Twitter. There are Niji livers who are well established who have more Twitter followers than Youtube subs. There is also the fact that Twitter is the only place they're posting right now, being boosted by all the other Nijis replying to them especially in Oliver's case, which is why he has the most. What is a little interesting is seeing Leos have the least, but he isn't interacting and only posting drawings, which I thought could pull some intrigue.

>>6835092
Twitter is a very active sphere for JP vtubing discussion and fandom, obviously. All livers tweet when streams are on so they don't need to sub to get engaged with a liver they follow. The problem is that so much gets lost in the twitter shuffle that things slip you easily.

> I know Nijisanji paid to be tagged as a Topic on twittter but still it does kind of support the premise that the main driver for most Nijisanji events are tourist and explains why very few Nijisanji streamers ever crack 5 digit viewerships
Pass the copium bro.

>>6835204
So it's the equivalent of facebook to seanigs? Okay, I can kinda grasp the idea now.

>>6835211
I mean you're welcome to give alternative ideas cos I can't think of anything else. Maybe it's a culture thing but I don't get the premise of following someone on twitter and not following them on Youtube unless you just wanna clutter your feed.

>>6835410
Niji posts get shit tons of likes and retweets and then barely any of them show up to the actual stream.

>twitter
kek

>>6835410
I don't get it either but they do it often. Hololive gets ridiculous sub numbers because the rest of the world do things the not retarded way. The fact they do well on twitter shows how popular Nijisanji is in Japan.

>>6835492
Sounds like reddit. Meaningless up votes, I can see why /jp/ indies that shill here end up doing better than the ones that shill on reddit.

>>6835410
each twitterfag has literally thousands of people they`re following. Now guess if they actually keep up with all that.

>>6835211
I can't think of a reason to follow someone on twittter but not sub to their youtube unless it's someone that I'm only marginally interested in for their RTed fanart/shitposts and I have no intention of watching their daily streams. If you're supporting a content creator through following, it's weird to not support them on their main platform for content creation.

>>6835492
Which supports my initial premise, right? Like I didin't really watch any NBA games during the season and only really started watching during the Conference Finals.

>>6835622
I'm not gonna defend it but it's the truth.

>>6835599
They don't. To be honest I can't keep up with my youtube subs and I just lurk or check holodex (niji or holo) and look who's streaming.

>>6835622
>sub to Niji chuuba on Youtube
>hey she's mentioning all these other Nijis
>don't feel like having their shit clog up my feed
>follow on Twitter to see what they're up to, show up to special events

>>6835622
It reminds me of when wave 1 was in their pre-debut twitter stage.
The nijifans here were arguing that people were waiting till debut to sub to them on Youtube since they each had 40k+ followers pre-debut.

>>6827373
its JP so depends and weekdays afternoon too. power rangers debuted on sunday/monday a week before koshien 2020.
https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1291207912371576833
41k likes, 600k+ views

>>6826162
watame numbers are good as usual

Jump King is looking like another sub 20k stream much like one hand clapping and it will probably stabilize around 15-16k. That is even after she dissapeared for a while.

I think that all these one off kusoge/gimmick games are starting to hurt the viewerbase. The audience at some point no longer cares much when even the streamer can't get emotionally invested on the games.

>>6837150
Any idea what their sub numbers were pre and post debut?

>>6837150
I think the new wave are debuting on weekday afternoons.

Cover made a huge song and dance around gen 5 and holoEN, why can't Nijisanji do that?

>>6837247
hmm

>>6837587
They debut in ~28 hours.
They didn’t even pin the fucking announcement. It got buried under the 20 tweets they put out since then.

>>6831499
JP gen 6. If that happens I wonder who would do better between Niji's next wave and JP gen 6 since we all know Nijisanji is more popular in Japan and the EOP buff will be dead now that they have their own holos.

>>6838028
The rumors I was hearing is that Nijisanji hired dead ringers and high spec people for this wave. Seems odd that they wouldn't market them and just throw them to the wolves. Or maybe I should stop reading matome.

>>6837486
nadda.
>>6837150
heres more
>ibrahim, melissa, furen: 10k- 11k
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1223609417649623040
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1223648151367667712
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1223692212816371712
>meiro and kirame: 31k, 27k
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1281914502707961857
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1281914473377234945

>>6837587
They're releasing with voice packs and merchandise. Which is a different type of fanfare. Then there's going to be some stream on the Niji official channel once they're finished debuting.

>>6838315
They sound very confident. Why debut them at a shit time though?

>>6838430
holiday I guess. July 22 marine day.

>>6838307
Meifu got between 25-28k on debut. Selejo got much less.

>>6838430
Maybe they don't really need them to be 1.5k+ livers. Their business strategy isn't to rule the world anymore it seems. As long as they get enough fans to but low quality merchandise they make a good profit on these new livers. I think it is good that they are releasing a new wave since they should still try for more break out stars.

>>6838641
>Meifu got between 25-28k on debut
oh youre right. thanks for correcting.
more numbers
>Fuwa 26k
>Tomoe 29k
>Gwelu 21k

I guess the new livers will debut max 30k (possible 35k)

>>6839011
Wrong, they already got 80k followers on Twitter and they haven’t even debuted yet. Guessing they’ll reach 50k

>>6839216
Whoa there cowboy, trends are trends. Why would these livers buck the trend? Twitter followers aren't a perfect metric to translate into live views.

If we put the over/under at 40k how many people will take the over?

>>6838119
Why do guys still believe Niji is still more popular in JP when Aqua is having her own Nissin sponsored concert. Their faces are plastered everywhere in regular supermarkets. Not just akihabara. Or the fact that Irys got locked out of her own Twitter account. She got like 100k followers out of the gate. It's like a meme.

>>6838430
Literally right before the Olympics

>>6840004
It's more appropriate to say Niji is only relevant in JP. Have some decent numbers in EN and okay numbers in ID and KR

>>6840004
Bro, it's 2019 you know. Hololive does well for itself but to put it at the same level of Nijisanji is fucking silly. What virus?

>>6838119
>EOP buff will be dead now they have their own holos
>Pekora, Marine, Miko, Subaru and many other JP girls are getting better numbers now than ever before, even after the Dec 2020 live viewer change
Do you even numbers?

>>6840004
Well we don't know if Niji is more popular in JP or not, none of us talk to actual Japanese people anyways. Most of the things you are talking about (like concerts, merch in normie products) Niji has been doing since 2019. Nijis actually appeared on national TV for numerous events in 2019 and 2020, whereas Holos only started getting similar segments in 2021. Holo is still catching up, but I'll say they're probably close now in JP. Globally, it's not even close.

>>6841371
Nijisanji has Korea and China while holding the best market in the world, Japan. Maybe Canada since most of NijiEN lives there. I don't know about latin america or western europe. I don't think "not even close" is fair when Elira can pull Kiara numbers often enough. Selen is a slam dunk too. Also Any Color is way better than Cover in negotiating contracts and deals. Hololive could be twice as popular as Nijisanji but just from the solid support system and ability to make deals Nijisanji will always get the prime stuff.

>>6841371
The last time they were normie relevant was 1st quarter of 2020 and now because of the Lulu graduation. All people know now are the Coco graduation. The Aqua break. The Mio break. The running commercials. The voices you can hear when you enter Lawson. Aqua's face everywhere. RedBull. Or the fact the sharky girl is going to get a Nendo. Sony's vtuber news is probably a bigger talk because it's Sony. Btw, you can see all this in the normie pages for Yahoo News for JP.

>>6841371
Hololive is still growing in JP yeah while Niji is certainly hitting a cap atm seeing how most of their livers aren't growing in subs or views. Just by looking at last night's performance, there's an increase in views for Holos after Subaru's stream ends. You will know that most of her viewers are hololive fans whereas Kagami didn't seem to have a significant increase after it. Plus, his live views declined from 40k to 27k live views iirc (?) after his first baseball stream.

>>6842047
What contact have they negotiated recently that you think is actually good? Because so far Cover is getting the girls great deals. Commercials, solo merch, sponsored merch, vark, orginal albums, voice packs, international sponsors. Media outreach like appearing in Anime or being the singer for Inotak. Tell me what exactly is it. Are you going to say that crappy google play game?

>>6842424
That's all shit Nijisanji has had for YEARS. IRyS' new EP only did better in international markets.

>>6842047
Do you really still believe Niji has Korea? Did you not look at the numbers? Aside from Bora who usually gets <4k for apex, the others are getting <100 views. ID gets <1000 views. I don't know what China makes, but they're using a silly metric so it's hard to determine their popularity. I still believe that Aqua is much more popular there than VR. And, do you really believe that nijiEN would have a solid foothold in the west? Look at the Google trends, they're all holofans.

>>6842539
Aqua is literally illegal. It's silly to think some one illegal is more popular than legal livers.

>>6842530
Are you high. Irys charted more in JP compared to any countries. She got more pull in JP. Again. What exactly is the latest thing that Niji has negotiated for them after the 1st quarter of 2020 that is comparatively better?

>it's the popularity timeloop where anons compare different things since there is no single way to numerically identify who is more popular
i hate this episode

Niji is popular in JP but not no.1. I would say Hololive has better brand recall and recognition now in JP. This is the only reason why Hololive is getting better sponsors than Niji right now.

>>6842776
I hate it too when discussing without backing up things. The first few posts were beautiful ngl theres charts/numbers and shit.

>>6842539
Holofans sick of HoloEN and how cold, awful, and bitchy it is. NijiEN is growing well and sucking viewers from HoloEN. NijiEN fans being HoloEN fans is a good thing for NijiEN, that means they aren't cannibalizing. NijiEN is going way up in all metrics. The penguin got 65k subs before debut. The debuts for wave 2 were way higher than wave 1. Unless HoloEN 2 are world beating mog machines then the future leans NijiEN.

>>6842776
If you really want to know who is popular then you have just to know who gets the big sponsors. It's Kizuna A.I. She's the normie bait. But if you want to know who is actually 2nd popular. It's the agency that has a running ad in T.V. right now.

>>6843031
I doubt this will ever happen but I'll wait for your numbers.

>>6843019
the way to see if ads are working are to study advertisements focusing on one chuuba or one gen (however they work) and observing if average SC/live viewers has increased at all. otherwise how did the ad even work?
>>6843045
but how many people watching the ad are going to say "cool, i'll watch her"? how should this popularity be quantified?

>>6843323
vnuma is down so you can't prove they aren't inclining. It's a devil's proof, I refuse to explain.

if I were to guess the popular it would be:
>JP = 1.Nijisanji 2.Hololive 3.774/Live
>KR = 1.Hololive 2.Indie (sea_vtuber, etc) 3.NijiKR
>CN = 1.Asoul 2.CN indies(hiiro, mea,etc) 3.VR
>rest of the world = 1.Hololive 2.Vshojo 3.Nijisanji

How have all you retards missing the fact Nijisanji recently got a promotion from Monster Strike, basically the most successful Japanese mobile game franchise after Pokemon Go?

>>6842047
>I don't think "not even close" is fair
It's not even close. HoloEN regularly streams to 5-10x the viewership of NijiEN. Look at their subs and twitter followers. HoloEN already has lackluster average viewers compared to JP, but make up for it in VOD views. NijiEN does not have a VOD buff. Ollie gets more views on her VODs than Elira does despite being an ID.

>Nijisanji has Korea and China while holding the best market in the world, Japan.
HoloEN is more popular than NijiKR in Korea, you can do your reps for this because it's been proven many times already. The only NijiKR with any audience is Bora and all her viewers are JP because she speaks JP during her streams. Niji's China branch is completely separate from the company and run by Bilibili. People in china don't know who Nijisanji are, they only know VirtuaReal. Their JP livers are irrelevant in China compared to Holos, who still have more followers than most Nijis despite purging all their content after the taiwan yab. You didn't mention Indonesia, but Moona and Ollie are about to get more subs than the entirety of NijiID combined. Moona and Ollie have gotten more than 10k viewers before, which are numbers that NijiID dreams of getting.

>Maybe Canada since most of NijiEN lives there.
Ina is from Canada and she gets more average viewers than all 3 NijiEN1s combined.

>Elira can pull Kiara numbers often enough.
Elira can pull Kiara numbers when she's playing her 11th chapter of Yakuza 7, a notorious debuff game. Kiara literally got 8k yesterday playing Minecraft and 7.5k today. Elira playing the biggest buff game possible for an EN (Henry Stickmin) barely broke 4,8k. I don't think Elira has ever gotten 7.5k since her debut stream. She usually averages 2-3k, which are numbers that Kiara and Ame get when they do superchat reading streams.

See for yourself:
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/kiara
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow

>Selen is a slam dunk too
Way too early to know. Selen got 5.5k on her first apex stream, but her 2nd stream only got 2.3k, which is about average for NijiEN.

>Also Any Color is way better than Cover in negotiating contracts and deals.
This hasn't been true for a while. The recent sponsorships Hololive gets are just as good, if not better, than the ones Nijisanji have been getting. Stuff like Nissin Curry ads airing on TV, Red bull ambassador, Kiara being an official Tales of Arise ambassador...etc.

I'm not even a tribalist that hates on Niji, but the numbers just don't back up what you're saying. Hololive is way ahead of NijiEN globally and it's not even close.

>>6842539
Agree with what you're saying, but don't cite google trends or else you'll awaken that troll that derails threads with google trends. Just link the half a dozen Korean channels that clip holoEN and how they get 100k+ views, whereas NijiKR gets no attention.

>>6843580
>CN
Hololive was the bee's knees before the Taiwan thing though.

>>6842669
Doesn't change the fact that she was once a garguantan vtuber idol just a few ranks below AI in China

>>6843651
>completely separate from the company
>People in china don't know who Nijisanji are
>Their JP livers are irrelevant in China compared to Holos
Dat ass gotta hurt bad

>>6843714
yes, but they are gone now. Asoul mogs everyone there.

>>6843638
It wasn't on the front page of whatever blog of rrats these retards get their info from.

>>6843638
Bleach. Nendo. GoodSmile. Nissin. Lawson. Family Mart. Square Enix. RedBull. Bandai Namco, DrawAlot foundation. Netflix JP.
>>6843525
Popularity is the defining factor why people get big ticket sponsorships. The only reason why big companies bother to hire personalities is because of brand recall. If that wasn't important then they will just hire a model or an actor. There is literally a numberfag article of JP actors and actresses that had the most sponsorship last 2020 because they know it marks who is still relevant.

>>6843031
>>6843549
>vnuma is down so you can't prove they aren't inclining
Playboard still exists and tracks the viewcount throughout the stream. So you can have a look at it yourself. NijiEN is inclining ever so slightly, with Elira going from 1.5-2k now to 2-3k and the occasional 4k stream. Finana and Pomu are still around the 2k range.

https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCIeSUTOTkF9Hs7q3SGcO-Ow
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCP4nMSTdwU1KqYWu3UH5DHQ
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCu-J8uIXuLZh16gG-cT1naw

The rest of your post is just bait trash so not even worth responding to. Get ready for HoloEN gen 2s to have 300k subs pre-debut like Irys.

>>6843638
Isn't the horse game way more popular now?

>>6843862
>google asoul
>get to bilibili accounts for the girls
>I can watch them all I want
Am I stupid? I didn't think Americans were allowed to watch chinese vtubers. I'm not sure I can ever sub them since I think accounts are restricted.

>>6843651
I thought the korea loves hololive meme was dead.

>>6843638
If you look at the archive, the big monster strike tournament promotion peaked at 19k views, which is worse than Kuzuha's regular Apex streams. It was not a big promotion by any metric. Not even the tourists showed up to watch it. Niji's Mahjong soul tournament got 100k+ and their NijiApex tournament peaked at 99k.

https://playboard.co/en/video/o6FV20cxNK8

>>6844013
Monster Strike has been running since 2013 and has a lot of successful media mixes including their virtual bands so it's not limited to just their game.

>>6844226
What matters is not how many viewers they got but that they've received that promotion period, retard.

>>6844313
And again. Cover is getting more deals in JP than Niji.

>>6844190
Sort of ish?
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=KR&q=Hololive,Nijisanji
Look, if "Korea loves hololive" is dead, Nijisanji is buried 50ft under the ground relative to them. And HOLOLIVE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A BRANCH IN KOREA. That's pretty damning on Niji.

>>6844313
If that's what you care about, then Monster Strike's promotion is no different from any other gacha shill stream promotion. It's no different from when Hololive got paid to shill shadowverse or Bleach Brave Souls. Unless the collab includes vtubers as special units in the game, it's not worth noting. It's not even in Niji's top 10 sponsorships worth bragging about.

>>6843714
Sometimes I dream that if the Taiwan yab never happened, and that the bugs aren't butthurt about Cover's western expansion, just what sort of numbers could Hololive have achieved.

>>6844398
Have you actually tried comparing tho? I've only seen the post spamming names for Cover.
>>6844473
Nijisanji has been shilling the JP shadowverse since last year if not earlier. And how is Bleach still alive anyway?

The only argument you guys can make is that Niji used to get big sponsors BEFORE but Hololive is getting them now. Kizuna AI is still relevant because she is still getting big shills like Marvel Studios

>>6844591
Yes I have. Niji does not have any big ticket sponsorships other than mobile games at the moment. They're the ones sponsoring stuff like that Nijipex.

>>6844796
>Yes I have
>posts no proofs

>>6844796
https://playjp.withgoogle.com/event/playonchallenge/2021/
They got the promotion from Google out of all companies. The company that runs Youtube. You know, vtubers.

>>6844190
I don't like using Google trends. But it's not EOPs watching korean-subbed HoloEN clips on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2fvhDgem6GHbeUgSog-LZg
https://www.youtube.com/c/%EA%B0%B8%EC%9A%B0%EB%A5%B4/featured
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMoYe-Tm3MoJpJyQ-GFltVQ
https://www.youtube.com/c/InaloveWAH/featured
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcNjvfdmeJS-qK82CuVLnYw/featured
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_ag7gTeLyEAd-OdSjVmZMA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCof_PYuKw6S8uqOoefszSZA

If you click around, you'll find many more korean channels.

Why are you blushing while saying you meet us gura?

>>6845097
Ignore this I thought this was global

>Hololive is getting more sponsorships, and has been ever since the Curry Meshi campaign was a success
Yes. Tanigo has stated this was a turning point from Cover going out to ask for sponsors, to sponsors approaching Cover
>Niji gets high profile sponsors in JP
Also true

We do NOT have numbers to compare from both companies, and I doubt we'd ever get those internal numbers because that's not the shit that gets released to the public unless it's part of an earnings report and they WANT to release it.

It's just triablist shit-flinging to compare them without the numbers to back it up.

>>6845097
>>6845169
Delete the post newfag

>>6844960
If you look at the quality of games Google Play allowed Nijis to play for that sponsorship, you'll be underwhelmed. It's undeniably a big name sponsorship, but it was basically a glorified ad where Nijis played shitty chinese app games in competition with another. Another promotion where not even Nijifans gave a shit to watch because the view numbers for everyone were way below their averages.

>>6845226
I didn't know you could do that lmao

>>6844960
While it's a high profile promo in name plus the 1mil prize (that went to Ibrahim) they still played literal who games and even Kenmochi couldn't hit high numbers with it, many people had trouble streaming it, and those who were playing it would lag out

>>6843580
Is asoul that popular in China?

Guess which company still can't play Genshin?

>>6845498
Whether or not the sponsorship was a success, it's still undeniable that Nijisanji was and still is getting plenty of promos from big companies, and is generally more well-regarded in Japan. The recent YouTube Music Weekend should tell you as much, hololive were relegated to a 1AM slot on Friday night while nijisanji was given a much better time on a Saturday night.

>>6846471
I don't think anyone in this thread is arguing that Nijisanji DOESN'T get sponsorships. But it's hard to say who's more well-regarded just based on sponsorships alone. Do food/drink sponsorships perform better against TV/Train ads? I don't know. What about the total number of sponsorships? Lets make a hypothetical because I don't feel like tracking everything down right now:
Chuuba team A has 40 sponsorships, while Chuuba team B has 10, yet the companies who sponsored B make more money as a whole than the ones who sponsored A. Who is more popular?

>>6846598
Team A is more popular due to the higher amount of sponsorships at the moment. This may change in the future as more and more companies realize Team B will get them more money.
Being the most popular with the companies doesn't necessarily equate to being the most popular with the general public at any given point in time.

Big companies are going to keep avoiding Hololive like the plague unless they backpedal completely on the Taiwan blunder.

>>6846934
The original conversation the thread was going with is "who is more popular with the public"

>>6846934
Nah team A had more available people than team B and ones that are actually interested in the games their playing (E.g FPS). I thought we already discussed this before. At the time, there weren't enough Holomembers to do the group googleplay sponsorship. It required 3 gens which is impossible plus the whole coco graduation. Also, googleJP sponsorships was mostly directed to JOPs. Hololive has a more global reach.

>>6846598
>>6846934
Do you understand what big sponsorships mean? It means mainstream appeal. It means that the image is something that is effective enough to market their product. It means normie appeal. You guys keep saying that Niji is still more popular when in fact as far as marketers goes, Hololive is being utilized to sell more shit to normies. Not just a mobile game that you know the people already will try or have seen. It's people that have seen those faces in the news or in books as the company with the most superchatted girl in YouTube. The brands btw like RedBull even though international chose Hololive for their JP marketing campaign. Why choose Niji whl you say is more "popular"?
>>6846937
You are deluding yourself. They already have sponsorships. They got more popular after

>>6847193
This is why I say thay even if Kizuna AI doesn't deliver numbers, she is still popular thus the sponsorships

>>6847193
Don't get me wrong I'm not arguing for either side, I'm just trying to understand. Because until some numbers are produced this is just based on "xyz is more popular and sponsored this side". I also highly doubt anyone on the street knows who the most superchatted vtuber is. Most subscribed to, yes, but most superchatted? Normal people don't look at Playboard statistics. Does Hololive put milestones such as that on their site? And how much traffic does that site get?

Why are people who know nothing about business or entertainment or advertising so passionate about arguing about it
People will just make long posts where they pull shit out of their ass that has no bearing on reality

>>6847284
They already published it in elementary books that people in JP read today

>>6847339
I'd like to see that, elementary books? As in childrens books/magazines?

>>6847381
Yes anon, I'm at work right now so I can't snap a picture, go google it.

>>6847193
No big company has sponsored hololive in a relevant way yet besides Microsoft, and they only did it because they're desperate to promote their dying Xbox brand on Japan.

>>6847301
Because they need it for unga bunga wars. That knowledge is pointless otherwise since they can't affect companies or talents in any way.

>>6842696
Go easy on him, anon. He's still stuck in 2019.

>>6847381
It's a reference book published about technology trends by the Ministry of Education in JP discussing people that earned 100 million yen in a year. They aren't part of any subject but it is already part of school libraries

>>6847446
>dying Xbox brand
Thought it was dead for years

>>6847446
Have you forgotten Nissin, Family Mart or Lawson or Good Smile????

>>6847528
Too bad that the Coco's part is irrelevant now.
lol

>>6847260
The coirperate world is slower to move than people in these threads think. Contracts are signed a long time a head of time. We are seeing the fruit of the work Nijisanji has put in for years and are just now seeing fruits for Hololive. 2022 will be the big indicator of the climate of right this second.

>Let me release a new campaign for my new energy drink. Sure. Let me splurge all my marketing money in the second most popular Vtuber Agency.

It's not that easy to comprehend

>>6847653
You must be daft. If they are that slow then Niji will still be getting the better sponsors.

>>6845539
well this girl earned like $270k

>>6847713
I'm sure they will. I was arguing in favor of Nijisanji.

>>6844975
Based of recent SC analysis, KR seems to donate more than ES.
I believe the right move is to start HoloKR earlier than HoloES.
But KR has their own streaming platform, right?
I don't remember what it's called,
but with how slow Cover is expanding their platforms (twitcast, bilibili, twitch),
it would take them awhile to test the water.

>>6845603
Why are they not playing HoK or PUBG? They are clearly better games compared to Genshit.

>>6847761
Anon. Hololive was not significant back in 2019 that's why they weren't getting big ticket sponsorships. Niji was. Trends changed and Hololive is. So far numbers have shown that Hololive is getting more traction in everything even in 2021. Niji is always just a leg behind.

>>6847853
Maybe in NA, OC, AF, and EU but not in other regions. Anycolor is still free to have sponsorships with any company in the world, not something Cover can say.

>>6847574
The context of those collabs is that they are all catering to some specific niche. They just agreed to sell hololive-related goods or did an ad featuring them like the curry stuff. Hololive is severely limited in what they can or can not collab with big companies.

>>6830741
It happens every so often, they are still a company and it pays to do a company wide meeting every once in a while so that everyone is on the same page.

>>6848015
Half of the girls probably were just zoning out thinking about other stuff in these discord meetings anyway. Like Aqua.

>>6847966
That is the point of sponsorships dumb dumb. Tell me what was the latest big corp Niji Talents was used to shill in a commercial? Let alone in a concert? Let alone in a global market release that includes half your talents and not just 2?

>>6847853
Hololive doesn't matter. By volume Hololive gets far less unique viewers than Nijisanji, >99% Japanese too, and they actually have a legal department. Who do you think think JP corps want?

>>6847930
Your only other region is China.

>>6848250
Mito just had a concert...

>>6848300
Sponsored by Sony and they made an outfit for her.

>>6843031

IRyS mogged all of NijiEN2 combined. The Hololive brand DEFINES vtubers in the west, Nijis are literally whos.

It's not like it's Coke vs Pepsi here. This is Coka vs RC Cola.

>>6843031
>>6842047
Nigger this is the numbers thread not the wishful thinking thread, just because they have a branch there doesn't mean they hold it. In particular using NijiKR as proof that Niji has Korea is retarded, check your fucking numbers before using it.

>>6848250
Hololive is never going to get associated with big record labels for example. The risk of associating themselves to that extend would be too much for the company. You'll only see them doing mostly local stuff that doesn't really affect the global market.

>>6848015
I didn't realize that they were a company until I watch that intro MV.
Cover knows how to pace things out, so I believe the 3D models for ID1 and EN1 are ready, and they are just waiting for right circumstances to debut them.

>>6848278
Where is your numbers. Almost all HoloJP have predominantly JP viewers. Most heavy hitters are. If Pekora gets 80% JPs out of 25k viewers that is still significantly more than your midtier Niji that gets 5k 100% JPs

>holonumbrains keep forgetting all the big music labels Nijisanji has deals with

>>6848406
Still sell less than IRyS's EP.

Was curious so I checked the Niji and Holo twitter to see what's been going on this month:
Power Pro
SHIBUYA TSUTAYA
Deron Anime opening (100万の命の上に俺は立っている)
Virtual Circuit Japan
Animate merch
Kotobukiya
Rain Drops (Backed by Universal Music Group)
Palette Album drop
In-person event (Variety Show)
Up-station radio event (Chima)


Hololive Summer Festival
Up-station radio event (Suisei and Shien)
Taku Inoue collab with Suisei
Second Redbull collab with Lawson
Eye Mirror doing a part 2 collab (FBK/Mio Glasses)
Curry Meshi
Anime Carnival
Molly Online
Tales of Arise ambassador
Ebten Matsuri merch
NEG*U Anime ending
Tokyo Otaku (HoloEN)
Goodsmile Nendoroids
Bunko Dengeki Light Novel sponsor (Aqua)
Village Vanguard (5th gen merch)

Nijisanji side is pumping out solo live blu-rays (don't think Hololive does this) and voice packs.

>>6848432

>>6848432
What matters is that the deals exist, it's just more proof that Nijisanji has better connections and presence in Japan. Ultimately companies are going to want to work with an entertainment agency that can afford to do something like this: https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000054.000029662.html
and have a social media management company vet their talents' tweets and streams to make sure nothing truly controversial happens.

>>6848392
Anon. The girls are releasing their own EPs without the help of big labels because they are already financially stable to do so like Mori, Irys and Suisei.

>>6848562
>physical CDs
lmao

>>6848645
Yeah lmao at the Bouquet sales
Definitely the biggest vtuber company in JP

>>6848620
They wouldn't decline an offer if it happened and you know it. The offer hasn't happened yet because of that incident.

>>6848562
Sora is mogging Mito though.
Also
>2020

>>6848730
Sadly the list is from January 2021 (that's why numbers for the entries marked with yellow aren't complete). If you got something more up to date you're free to post it too.

>>6848712
They absolutely would. That is the whole reason why they did Bloom. You get 100% of the profit. Why do you think Irys is a thing,

>>6848399
Kuzuha takes out Pekora and then some. Kanae Takes out Marine. Everyone else takes out everyone else.

>>6848782
Irys is at 10k. Her numbers yesterday at 8k was probably because it was the second time she's playing it and Gura has just played it earlier

>>6848361
All of NijiEN gets more average views than IRyS when combined. Same with followers and subs. More success from 2021 additions than HoloEN.

>>6848730
>Sora is mogging Mito though.
With album released in 2019 when vtubers still were relatively small and their abums were rare. Her 2020 is much lower tho.

>>6848854
nigger this is the numbers thread not the house of lies thread

>>6848795
Kuzuha doesn't. Kanae doesn't. Miko. Botan, Subaru, Suisei and Aqua are all above double digits. The mid tiers for Holo is not even comparable to the mid tiers for Niji

>>6848782
You'll eat your words when Suisei and Mori leave hololive once they have enough fame and money to fund their actual musical careers.

>>6848906
Look at the aggregate. NijiEN added more value from their english branch than Hololive. It's July.

>>6848795
>>6848939
>>6848942

THIS IS THE NUMBERS THREAD NOT THE MAKE WILD CLAIMS AND FANTASIES THREAD

BACK YOUR SHIT WITH NUMBERS OR FUCK OFF

>>6848939
Kek
>>6848942
"Value" relative to who. Themselves?

Don't even know what that guy is trying to say. NijiEN total max live viewership caps out at around 8k.
Unless you're saying it takes 6 Nijis to beat one HoloEN.

>>6848705
>1st week - 14,637
>2nd week - 1,501
>3rd week - 681
>4th week - didn't chart
>Total 16,819

>>6847235
dont trust post per minute, global recycles threads constantly, that global thread hit cap already and the niji one has only gained 200 posts since your picture.

>>6848939
Don't bring Suisei in your spergs fight. K bye, I'll keep lurking

Anyways. I'm not trying to diminish Niji's relevance in the Vtuber sphere right now. They just don't get that enough high profile deals as a company compared to Hololive. You can't count all their own self-produced shills because I certainly wasn't counting Holo's. The mainstream normie appeal which is brand recognition which is short for popularity though is debatable now because Hololive gets more normie deals than Niji now compared to last year. That is the only concession I will make. The only reason why Kizuna Ai still gets sponsors because normies still recognize her and probably knows only her. Thus she is popular no matter they watch her or not.

>>6849212
To be honest I was 65% sure that she'll announce her retirement during this stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPz4lrkarZ0
She was always dreaming about reaching for people outside vtubers and appearing at Mステ after all

>>6849325
>The mainstream normie appeal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQjDcGZYcg

>>6849369
>2020

>>6849389
Got anything more up to date?

>>6849369
That video is 9 months old.
Hololive weren't even getting big sponsorships then and Curry Meshi wasn't until later that year.

>>6847748
$270k in one single stream or throughout her career?

>>6849369
This is my point. People don't necessarily watch her but they know of her therefore she is popular

>>6848982
HoloEN 2021 additions
14k aggregate average views(honeymoon)
$33,398 in superchats
513k total subs

NijiEN 2021 additions
10,933 aggregate average views
$93,360 in superchats
603.5k total subs

Objectively NijiEN has brought more value to Anycolor in 2021 than 2021 additions have brought to Cover.

>>6849574
Did you seriously try to combine the subs of six members and try to pass them off as all unique viewers?

>>6849530
And none of them mentioned anyone from Hololive

>>6849688
We are discussing 2021 additions to each company. Anycolor has a clear lead.

>>6849328
How does she plan on that when she 100% can't dance?

>>6849757
nigger you combined the subs of six members that debuted within 2 months and pretended they are all unique people, are you fucking retarded?

>>6849688
I have always been wondering how many unique subs Hololvie has since you're obliged to subscribe to everyone.

>>6849688
Pomu has more SCs than IRyS just by herself.

>>6849795
nigger you combined the subs of six members that debuted within 2 months and pretended they are all unique people, are you fucking retarded?

>>6849688
>>6849783
>>6849810
Oh no, it's broken

>>6848548
>Nijisanji side is pumping out solo live blu-rays (don't think Hololive does this) and voice packs
Well, that's one way they could earn revenue since they have their own studio for it, so I won't fault them for that. Company is carrying the livers at this point with a lot of marketing schemes.

>>6849783
We don't know. Youtube doesn't care, a sub is a sub.

>>6849810
Pomu has $47,878 in SCs
IRyS has $33,398 in SCs

>>6849795
stop turning this place into a house of lies
>>6849849
And Irys has been monetized for 7 days compared to the month Pomu has been monetized, are all nijifans this disingenuous?

>>6849848
>Company is carrying the livers at this point with a lot of marketing schemes
Huh? What about this then? >>6818631

>>6849945
Value added to the company in 2021. All SCs from 2021 are valid. IRyS is trending down with the SCs and Pomu is an earner. IRyS won't be getting more than Pomu in a month.

It's objective fact that Anycolor has added more to the company in the english sphere in 2021 than Cover, the supposed winner of the west, has. Maybe this changes when HoloEN2 drops but we'll see, NijiEN got all the best picks.

>>6849757
>How does she plan on that when she 100% can't dance?
She never planned anything, stop with Suisei also, she's trying to learn how to dance better and I can assure you that you don't need to know how to dance to be a professional singer

So the one thing I've learnt from this thread is that nijiniggers are deceitful fuckwits who'd pull every retarded trick to dress up their numbers just so pretend they are ahead

>>6849945
All NijiENs have streamlabs from day 1

>>6850046
So that's even worse

>>6850062
Worse for Irys?

>>6850033
She's like pathetically bad at dancing. She's a complete embarrassment. I would be happy if she left Cover though.

I'm just going to post this screenshot every time nijiniggers claim their company is superior

>>6849574
kek did you really compare 6 nijiEN to IRyS? Well, I don't fault you on that since it's 2021 additions. It'll change though when EN 2 debuts.

>>6850103
But Junichi Kato is the one who's superior?

>>6850097
Did you read the spoiler or are you stupid?

>>6850028
>Maybe this changes when HoloEN2 drops but we'll see
Proof that you know nothing about numbers.

>>6850028
>>6850090
Irys earned in seven days almost as much as Pomu did in 2 months, please take your disingenuous ass off a bridge

>>6850044
I've been reading down from the top, holy fuck the quality downgraded.

>>6850103
I'm going to use this image for the next op image

>>6850182
Care to tell me how you managed to get her streamlabs number pls?

>>6850103
But I'm not wrong. As of July 20th NijiEN has brought more value to Anycolor by 2021 additions to the company than Cover has with their 2021 additions. Also everyone in Nijisanji is happy about NijiEN, most of HoloEN are in subtle rebellion about IRyS so the moral and culture loss is palpable. NijiEN has helped the culture of NijiEN, even if it is only in a small way.

>>6850229
>>6850277
Please go ahead and keep trying to compare a 10 days performance to a 60 day performance like it's somehow equal, it's not my name that's getting drug through the mud

>>6850292
I am comparing the numbers of both from the last 201 days.

NijiEN is Aki numbers. HoloEN is Watame numbers except for Gura. Gura is similar to Pekora on her good days and Miko on her bad days.

>>6850330
One of which has been active for 10 days and the other has been active for over 60, but no by all means keep digging, it's your grave

Guess why I'm posting this

>>6850044
Hey, not all Nijifags are that retarded. I have provided normal numbers for this thread in the past.

>>6850229
Imagine having a huge handicap by having streamlabs open all the time while HoloEN doesn't have them open. I understood that it's good for them during debut even if it's a dick move, but there's no reason to keep them open after they've been monetized. It gives viewers an impression they're just milking more from viewers without that YT tax. Even Cover is playing by YT's rules.

>>6850277
kek why? It's still july, what brought you to that conclusion that nijiEN brought more value to Anycolor than Cover when IRyS dominates 5/6 of nijiEN's efforts in 10 days?

>>6849848
Not too privvy on how Nijisanji does their solo lives. Is it like Hololive where it's just a stream on youtube or are they paid events?
The thought of selling a free youtube concert Blu-ray kinda makes me laugh but consumers will consume.

>>6850528
But there are more than enough reasons. Some people can't send superchats from their country, some just prefer to use paypal instead of google, some just want to give a middle finger to google's cut.

>>6850528
>playing by YT's rules.
Why do they have to play by YT's rules that don't even exist? There's no reason to turn them off.
>>6850574
The ones being sold on BD were real life lives.

>>6849574
By these numbers it looks like Nijisanji is winning the 2021 new additions battle. That's good, they were being trashed heavily in Japan when it came to 2020 new additions.

number threads really went down hill with the death of vnuma with retards started to nest here, jesus

>>6850574
Not just paid events, but live concerts similar to how holofes 1 was done.

>implying that numbrains had any dignity ever instead of doing schizo number wars all the time

>people genuinely entertaining a discussion with someone numberfagging “additions in 2021” and combining six people to try to compare with a week old talent almost catching up with the sum of all
I thought tribalism in the numbers thread was just a meme but grasping at straws that small proved me wrong.
I say being back the “sodappoping is my oshi” bloke, at least he brought regular numbers, not made up fantasy

>>6850648
Don't you have a sodapoppin image to jack off to?

>>6850528
There's only one IRyS. Maybe if Cover had 5 more IRySes things would be different. We don't know about their 2021 plan. Nijisanji is still going to add 7 new livers so Cover has a tall order to stay on top in the west, especially with barely IRyS being enough to give HoloEN1 a scare.

>>6850839
Half of NijiEN debuted more recently than IRyS, fag.

>>6850624
There are, but I don't really want to search for it. It was discussed in past threads why they don't use streamlabs. First, it's inconvenient. Second, if you're going to use YT, then you must follow their monetization program but there's certain exceptions like places where you can't superchat in SEA. Ibrahim has streamlabs on somewhere with TTS, but he didn't link it on his streams. An anon said, that he indirectly implies that viewers should donate to his stream labs account than superchat. Even other JP members doesn't link their streamlabs. So, there's a certain level of reasoning on why streamlabs or any third party sites shouldn't be used when livestreaming on YT. It should also be applied to EN members too, but they don't which is weird and certainly a dick move if viewers caught it.

>>6850397
Well do a better job of telling your retarded brethren to deep throat a shotgun then

>>6850915
>with barely IRyS being enough to give HoloEN1 a scare
ホロENてぇてぇ

>>6850935
And the other half have a 2 month head start, plus you're still comparing the combined results of six people to one and barley coming out ahead

>>6850935
Sorry anon, I don’t even entertain a discussion with someone adding a caveat like
>if you only compare people that was added in a certain time range X is doing better than Y
It is too stupid to even consider talking about it. I genuinely prefer the sodapopping guy, at least he does it for the lulz.

>>6850935
Your numbers are for the other half that debuted 2 months ago retard

>>6850940
Hmmm, let's check the latest Kanae stream... oh hey look I can find the streamlabs link without any problem!

>>6850999
Speaking of sodapoppin gura blew past his twitch subs last week, guess that's why he's been so quiet recently

Ollie is inclining with chess holy shit

>>6850999
I'm not wrong about the assessment. It can change if Cover does something but they haven't.

>>6850977
47k is much larger than 33k

>>6850940
But tons of Nijis put Streamlabs in their description. Ibrahim is just a lazy motherfucker if you haven't noticed his 2 line descriptions, and is the worst example you could have picked.

>>6851031
Gura still needs to beat PewDiePie to be #1

>>6851044
33k in ten days vs 47k in two months

>>6851013
Have you clicked on the link yet, anon?

>>6851031
That sodapoppinfag only uses the same old image to troll. He never uses an up to date numbers anyway.

>>6851055
I literally checked 3 current livers' stream if they had streamlabs. They don't. I checked Kuzuha and Fuwa's recent streams, they don't. Even Seffyna from nijiKR doesn't have a streamlabs link on her scheduled stream. So, why should nijiEN be the only exception?

I chose gaming streams. I was kind to Pomu and chose a better number for her for the lulz because it seems anon loves her. I chose the free chat for the penguin because this one had 2k more views.

Ollie has streamlabs linked

>>6851084
We don't know if IRyS' momentum or view count will hold. She struggles to hit 10k viewers and isn't the VOD mogger she's been billed on.

>>6851257
I mean, by anon's logic NijiEN surely trumps out Irys because of course we have to add all the views. Let's forget all the other EN.

>>6851257
So NijiEN got more total views? Got it.

>>6851267
Didn't I say it's a comparison between HoloEN and NijiEN about how dick of a move that nijiEN makes by opening streamlabs? I've already mentioned that ID is an exception since their population can't superchat. Hana and the rest of nijiID have Streamlabs on, the same goes for HoloID.

>>6851277
Anon, you were willing to add all cumulative since Debut for the 3 streamers that has been active for 2 months.

>>6851044
>I'm not wrong about the assessment
It’s a meaningless benchmark.
>if you cast aside the massively successful english branch of company A and only compares the newly added talent
>and if you are allowed to compare not head to head but to sum all of the numbers of the ones added to company B
>company B is doing better than company A

That’s a little bit like the special olympics, if you only allow retards to compete for sure there will be one “Olympic gold medalist that is a retard”.
It doesn’t mean they’re any good at what they do, it is just that you restricted too much what they’re compared against (other fellow retards) and then attributed a positive connotation to the result of the comparison (Olympic gold medalist).

NijiEN so far is doing better than some other “overseas” Niji branches but there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever with HoloEN. It’s not even in the same league, narrowing the range of what you compare is just “special olympics” tier reasoning

>>6851326
What's so dicky about the green? You think people work for pixie dust and dreams?

>>6851341
"Nijisanji is the vtuber equivalent of a special olympics gold medalist" does have a nice ring to it.

>>6851418
Not what I said, which is more like
>comparing two branches on only the result of who got added in a restricted time range is the Special Olympics of numberfaggotry
>anyone competing in it is a retard

>ITT: people using marketing speak to make the chuubas look like they're doing better than the competition
Why would anyone do this in the thread that has the likeliest chance of being dis-proven?

>>6851341
The only way to settle this is to see Cover release a new wave. Until then IRyS is the lone competition for NijiEN.

>>6851451
If the question is "was expanding X branch a good investment in 2021" it's entirely valid to compare the new additions in 2021 and them alone.

>>6851474
>Until then IRyS is the lone competition for NijiEN.
I'm pretty sure that HoloEN is the competition to NijiEN. Group for group, box for box.

>>6849574
If you want to really calculate "value" then you have to know what is their profit gain on the daily. NijiEN. 60 days divided into 3 livers is $518 per liver or $1,545 total.

Irys is 8 days 1 liver which is $4174.75 for her alone.

>>6851474
>IRyS is the lone competition for NijiEN.
Wut? NijiEN doesn’t compete with HoloEN?
I mean, I agree but likely not for the same reason you’re stating.

>>6851467
Nothing has been disproven, people are just asserting that particular criteria don't reflect the reality of the situation and drawing arbitrary lines to make one side look better is meaningless to do anything but placate egos.

>>6851507
>If the question is "was expanding X branch a good investment in 2021"
A question nobody made in the numbers thread, whose main theme is
> big number > small number
And not
> if you cast aside all of these big numbers I don’t like, small number is big

>>6851511
2 of them already had their birthday boost as well.

>>6851532
In the context of how the company has grown their western hold in 2021 it absolutely makes sense. NijiEN has made western interest in Nijisanji go up many times over. IRyS has not done the same for Cover. Nijisanji made better, more fruitful investments in international branches. Cover gave us one IRyS.

>Holoblokes got a sponsored Pokémon stream on NicoNico
Surely the blokes are inclining. NicoNico as a platform sucks tho, the only reason nips continue using that is momentum from when vocaloid was the big thing

>>6851532
I don't think so solely because of the newness of NijiEN right now. However if Holo and Niji debuted an EN branch at the same time 6 months from now, everyone knows who will win numberswise. Hololive is more popular viewers wise. And I guess I have to say this now but I am a Nijifag. It's just common sense based on the numbers that are already happening.
I will provide this insight at least, today, NijiEN wave 1(Finana) held a stream at the same time NijiEN wave 2 started one (Rosemi), and Finana did not lose a significant amount of viewers when Rosemi started, indicating that she has held her fanbase despite a shiny new toy streaming.
Finana
https://playboard.co/en/video/blnsJhMyvpY
Rosemi
https://playboard.co/en/video/B2jzkZTSHKM
So this viewer cannibalism/swap thing people say about NijiEN does not seem to be happening on a large scale at least wave wise. Also, I believe HoloEN was streaming at the time but I may be wrong and someone can correct me.

>>6851629
You surely made a big leap of assessment about a girl that just debuted 8 days ago.

Answer this value on the daily because this is the only fair way to actually make an assessment between the disparity in days >>6851511

>>6851686
Still no permissions.
Don't get how they constantly sponsor Hololive yet don't give them perms.

>>6851764
Cover is extremely autistic about permissions, they technically have pokemon permissions because of the blanket nintendo permissions but they won't commit unless they get gamefreak permissions too.

>>6851686
It's a shit sponsor but it's a sponsor. I recall Miyabi having a COD Mobile sponsor as well semi recently. They are generally inclining as graph bro has shown us, the hype surrounding 3D, anniversary buff, gen anniversary buffs, random shit like Izuru membership, Arupapa axolotl grind, and Temma english (which is on hold now) and collabs have contributed to this compared to the dead months earlier this year.

>>6851629
>NijiEN has made western interest in Nijisanji go up many times over.
True, in the sense that going from 10 to 60 is a 500% addition.
But if you are comparing a growth from 10 to 60 with a competitor that grew from 1000 to 3000 (only a modest 200% addition) and restricting the comparison to only include the newest talent that, alone, grew from (let’s say) 10 to 50, the whole reasoning becomes special olympics tier.
>if you cast aside that company A grew from 1010 to 3050 in the same period company B grew from 10 to 60 and only compare 10->60 with 10->50, then under these constraints company B is doing better
Again, it is a meaningless special olympics tier comparison

>>6851749
It's fair, it's about what has happened in it's rawest form. It isn't about equity, it's about show me. We can have this argument again in August but if NijiEN wave 2 does well I don't think I will need to backtrack and pretend I never made this argument.

>>6851733
Irys yesterday had 6.8k viewers while Gura had 15k with overlap. Double than 2 examples that your gave. When Gura closed her stream her numbers jumped to 8k

>>6851733
>Also, I believe HoloEN was streaming at the time but I may be wrong and someone can correct me.
Gura started streaming about an hour into Finana's stream, but there was hardly a loss in liveview count (dipped 100 but recovered 10min later). Rosemi started streaming an after after that, but Finana only lost about 100 concurrent viewers. Good on her for keeping her viewers today.

>>6851860
Your argument isn't even bound by any reasonable logic. Again, you can only make a case about value between multiple people with different productivity numbers which is in this case stream numbers by averaging them. Irys has at least double in monetary value, double in views and certainly more than subs individually

>>6851733
I'm pushing back a little. The early results are promising but I think the subject of cannibalism needs more time to settle and it is the next 4 livers that could have the biggest impact.

>>6851864
I never said Niji is getting better numbers than Holo so I'm not sure why you're pointing that out, in fact I said the opposite in my post. Just saying that Niji can retain their numbers while Holo is streaming, hence a lack of cannibalism in-company, or leeching viewers from Holo that people like to say on this board.

>>6851935
If your day job has anything to do with numbers, I suggest that you find another profession.

>>6851972
4 more livers is a big expansion. I don't think it is wrong to be cautious and not make a decision after a couple streams of data.

Ina getting very good numbers for Minecraft, avg always above 11k even in her odd hours.
Word is that they’ll kill the Ender Dragon and make a portal to JP server, which will add a whole new dynamics to their numbers.

Still about Ina numbers, IMO hers are the most impressive of EN, not because they’re the biggest but because they’re the most consistent. It clearly pays to have a set streaming time, it forms an habit in your audience

>>6851935
I will agree a little, because not only are 4 coming out, but a wave of an unknown number of males is as well, and I think they will suffer the most from this. There is also the unknown English speaking JP guy debuting, and based on his proficiency and streaming style, he could draw attention away from the upcoming male branch because statistically, male JP chuubas are watched far more than male EN chuubas. Whether the 4 girls can hold their own is really up to seeing if Obsydia can also hold their own after 2 months. Based on how Selejo and VALZ stayed relatively stable aside from the dead period in the summer of 2020 I can see everyone hanging out at around 1k if Anycolor continues to draw in some new people into discovering Nijisanji via clips and collabs.

On the corporate partnership side of the numbers
>that little (and authorized) cameo by Fubuki and Matsuri in an anime
I doubt any party made any money from that both both the anime got their name well spread through the holo community and the girls got their faces in front of a different audience.

Win win IMO, is this the first sanctioned appearance in a seasonal anime?

>>6852061
The spike was because Kiara called in though.

>>6852001
Makes me wonder how much anykara is willing to dump into the upcoming waves.
Are they also going to get their own songs or was this just a thing for the first two waves to get people interested?

>>6852271
True but even then it had a natural 12k peak that held

>>6852251
Wixoss Diva had a shit ton of Niji visual cameos throughout the episodes, but no voices iirc. Even Roa was there lol

>>6852276
I think the plan has worked. I don't know their returns on investment but NijiEN has done well. If enikara was expecting HoloEN then they need to jump off a bridge but from vantage point everything came together well. Mofumofu and the ads might have not been cheap though.

>>6852251
>Festival's dream was to be in an anime
>decides to go insane at the same time and not even acknowledge it
>people are seriously thinking she's gonna do something stupid today
I hope that cameo doesn't become a bad memory. I'm not sure Anycolor would have her.

>>6852350
YT ads are cheap in bulk. There's been many small vtubers who have bought a bunch of ads to promote themselves.

>>6852413
Mofumofu is probably the money hog though. I don't think he works for exposure.

>>6852350
Mafumafu's friends with some Nijis so I don't know if he really burned a huge hole in their pocket. Maybe Teddyloid did. The ads are also cheap as fuck. But, in return they got a branch that's immediately doing better than all other overseas Niji branches right off the bat, and performing better than some JPs can only dream of, so I'd say it was worth it.

>>6852251
Is this scene being censored in China?

>>6852466
Maybe enikara was expecting more. I mean being the best overseas branch wasn't the highest bar to clear. Pomu did hint at there being some pressure on them early on.

>>6852537
Yes.

>>6852409
That's pretty normal for festival.
She goes on menhera fits every once in a while.
>>6852446
Isn't teddyloid pretty pricey too?

Selen getting 2.7k with a debuff game at dead hours. She def has the strongest inclining potential of all NijiEN. I can see her APEX streams regularly hitting 7k easily.

>>6852409
>people are seriously thinking she's gonna do something stupid today
She may be an impulsive girl but she’s not a dumb one. She’ll take a vacation after the anniversary (summer vacations, even) and likely carry on her return.

She must certainly now the days of “Ore ga Hololive da” are way behind her now.

>>6852537
>censored in China
On Bilibili “legal” version, yes.

I’m not sure if it is really legal tho, or if it is one of those
>let them pirate, they wouldn’t pay anyway and it is better to get the exposure

>>6852576
Don't get ahead of yourself and compare her incline with Apex to Kuzuha's incline with Apex like everyone else does.

>>6852537
Honestly this part is funny as hell.
Also goes to show that Cover will definitely never go back to China.
>>6852576
Selen was the best pick up they got.
Way too early to tell her Apex numbers. She basically went against bottom feeders on a smurf, anyone can look good against that.

>>6852576
Nice to see some mogging going on. I love it when one person in a group makes the others feel like lessers. I was kinda sick of NijiEN being consistently within a few hundred of each other.

>>6852466
>Mafumafu's friends with some Nijis so I don't know if he really burned a huge hole in their pocket.
Friendship is friendship and money is money. I doubt that he would give a discount or any color would risk a good relationship with him by trying to screw him. Any color's problem is never incompetence, their problem is not being favored by the algorithm gods.

>>6852812
No they have their own fair share of incompetence too, mostly of the "tech startup expects all their employees to work like they are living out of your mom's garage" kind but still.

>>6852550
They also released custom voice packs that cost 130ish dollars per girl (Finana, Pomu, Elira). So far, Pomu has sold the most, followed by Elira, then Finana. I would post an image showing this but Warosu is fucking bugging on me, it's somewhere within the last NijiEN threads.
Anycolor takes a 50% cut from all VP, and gives most of the tip (disputed, many say all of it) to the chuuba. Right now, EN storefront does not have the tip option

since theres no vnuma now and the quality of the thread has gone downhill. heres some stream numbers (only half data on june)

Amelia Watson is also a numberfag. How could we help her get a better number? Is youtube's post-processing that inconsistent?

>>6848278
> Hololive doesn't matter
So this is the infamous nijicope...

>>6852812
>Any color's problem is never incompetence
No, they have their moments. Everyone praises Niji3D and I love it too but there's been multiple instances of frames totally shitting the bed because no one accounted for the stream or special effects fucking everything up, bitrate problems making scenes so unwatchable they have to be reuploaded, and song permission mishaps. Then there's the handling of Roa and Meiro who fought that was handled poorly. Going further into it isn't numbers territory though.

>>6852887
Feels like I'm looking at Selejo numbers all over again.

>>6852901
>Amelia Watson is also a numberfag
What? How is she a numberfag?

>>6852972
She actively tries to get that delicious xx:00:00

>>6852992
OH. HA.
Uh, nothing we can do about it if it's post-processing fucking her over, RIP.

>>6852812
where were you when anikara got in troubles for streaming games without permissions?

>>6852887
honeymoon phase lasts for 3.5 months at average. We'll see how things develop around October.

>>6853113
she can always cut off a portion of her loading screen.

Today is gonna be an interesting day. Matsuri birthday 3D and Chima's 3D debut on the same time. I wouldn't count on Festival's birthday that much, it's gonna be Sora tier of live views around 30-40k even with the rest of the gen while Chima might go 40-60k.

>>6854113
Well correction I saw that wrong fuck. Matsuri is tomorrow.

>>6854030
that's cheating

>>6853953
Did they also have to nuke 3/4 videos because of that?

Kuzuha getting 26k atm for a mobile legends version of Pokemon

>>6855230
Is Pokemon MOBA popular in Japan?

>>6855246
It got released on switch an hour ago. So I'd expect Holos can also play it, but it's still a mobile legends version of pokemon so that was pretty funny

Gura has jokingly brought up being tabbed in to youtube multiple times, she did it again after her stream dropped. I brushed it off as one of her jokes but what if she knows about Youtube's live viewers fuckery.
https://youtu.be/vci-RuRSios?t=11291

Hello anons, thread is about to die so I'm just gonna drop this to ask for advice. I'm gonna debut as EN 2 soon. What are advices that I should take so that my debut week and the rest of my career could go as smooth?

>>6854496
Sasaki literally graduated over it. Then returned

number love

>>6856092
>What are advices that I should take so that my debut week and the rest of my career could go as smooth?
There is no such thing as "leeching". Tag along with JP senpai and whoever else necessary for the sweet sweet numbers.
See: Ollie, Reine and Moona

>>6856092
Stream after or during Ina. Don't overlap with Gura. You can end the game and go to superchats when Gura is on. Ignore Ame.

>>6856092
Assuming you're actually legit and this isn't some joke...
>Consistent time slot
>Determine if you're going to do SC readings or not
>Establish something you're good at to stand out
>Don't make any big mistakes like Self-dox or complete an absolute tech failure, so a bit of practice and double-checking everything is working ahead of time is advised
>Don't fake it. Be it voice, likes/dislikes or otherwise anything that doesn't sit right is going to get sniffed out and sour the first impression

Make a new thread already.

Wil someone make a new thread already?