/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

gura would never

Obviously, Mori isn't talking about herself.

>>68126139
I mean, management didn't put the effort in. Without Ame, they would not have any 3D stuff at all.

LOL WELL GURA FUCKING DIDNT

>>68126139
I think both Nijisanji and Hololive will have been surprised at the success of their EN branches. Of the two, only Hololive has somewhat supported the branch appropriately. But in general they're given about as much support as ID is despite being at times on several magnitudes more popular. It seems like things have gotten better though.

They were 100% right. It just took a little while for everyone to see it. There are still outliers like Mori, but the concern that an EN branch would be filled with low effort talents was proven completely right in the end.

>>68126139
Advent proved this wrong

A lot of people taking this to be about talent and not management...I guess you see what you want to see I guess.

>>68126139
They got burnt out thanks to Omegatroon and their shit fanbases.

>>68127156
>burnt out
that's a cope

>>68126139
Of course the wigger is quick to collab with her after she learned her manager is black.

>>68126139
Gura...

>>68126139
no fucking way this was said

>>68127049
they'll burn out in a year like everyone else, then stream once a month like everyone else

>>68126139
Yagoo-sama your foresight has always been unmatched. I kneel.

>>68126139
Funny thing is this statement can be seen in two different ways and be true for both.
1) the en talents are (pre advent) lazy as fuck to the point where you could have started studying Japanese and be able to fully understand the jp streams by the time Gura has done 15 streams.
2) the management are also lazy as fuck and frankly just didn’t give a shit about the talents. For the longest time there was no 3D, no major sponsors or collaborations like the different wines or products sold in stores that the jp's got, a severe lack of outfits provided, and no support where for multiple events they had to resort to self sponsoring a third party to make a VRchat world to hang out.
In the past both the talents and management were lazy fucks, but luckily it seems to have gotten somewhat better in recent times.

>>68126139
Last year some anon crunched the numbers and realized the average EN doesn't actually stream less than the average JP, it's just that JP has insane outliers like Koyori and they have more members to cover up for when a large amount need to do their idol reps, deal with personal issues, etc.

>>68126139
only kiara and mori worked hard.
so they were right.

>>68126473
Gura put a LOT of effort in for 2 years anon, that's undeniable.
For one year however...

>>68126139
They didn't put effort in. The first two years were rough.

Remember when HoloX got their 3d models before Myth did

>>68129761
that's untrue, just their showcases

>>68129095
Yep

>>68126139
Yes
>>68127049
Because they were hired by management tired of lazy whores

>>68126139
She's talking about /jp/ btw

>>68126139
Once they got comfortable they gave up. But the early days of myth were incredible. They were incredibly creative and hard working *despite* damn near zero support from their employer.

>>68126139
ehh I think the public opinion on myth has worsened over time
If anything Mori proved the haters right

>>68130220
That's because 2023/2024 myth isn't even recognizable anymore. Put it next to 2021/2022 myth and they are less than shadows of their former selves

>>68130200
>*despite* damn near zero support from their employer.
Are you kidding me? They had everything set up to make their success possible
It's only thanks to their employer that they became as big as they were

>>68130414
Holy fucking newfag

>>68130434
I've been around longer than the EN branch...

>>68126139
I think Kiara was literally the only to take it seriously at first and after a bit even she seemed to half give up. Everyone else in Myth was completely useless in those terms. Council was very similar, advent is too new to tell.

>>68130658
>>68130434

>>68126139
>Proving the haters right
>Bragging about it
Holy kek

>>68131012
See >>68129859, you can't honestly look at the amount of time Mori spent streaming + concert appearances and say she isn't putting effort into it. This is arguably her sole praiseworthy trait.

>>68128182
You really think Fuwamoco will start making excuses to not stream and tell the Ruffians they’ll stop doing schedules? No need to drag other girls down because yours became a lazy whore, Sapling.

>>68130434
The more I read whining about how little support they had, the less I believe it. It’s really easy to get sympathy blaming faceless management, they simply weren’t cutting it at the time and dumped the blame on mane-chan to maintain fan support. They’d be eating shit in the indy scene without evilbad management, if Omegatroon didn’t want ironic weeb white girls and anime-adjacent posers for his fuckheaded projects Council would be completely different and Kiara should remember her awful degrading days as an idol and escort whenever she opens her mouth to complain about her employer that clearly keeps giving her projects the support she needs.

>>68128182
Council burned out in 6 months. Didn't even make it a year before Kronii and Mumei were phoning it in and having blank or near blank schedules. Bae still is working hard though. So it really comes down to your work ethic.

Bae, Calli, Kiara, Fuwamoco, Biboo--the workhorses of EN.

>>68129859
Kaela...

>>68129859
Biboos projected days would be 58 days if she had had whole year

>>68129859
I found the exact post I was thinking of, though keep in mind it's pre-Advent.

https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/50901484/#50908411

>>80% of EN and 77% of ID streamed more than JP's median
>>31% of JP and 33% of ID streamed more than EN's median
>>47% of JP and 60% of EN streamed more than ID's median
>So, EN had the highest median hours in Hololive streamed in May and JP had the lowest. EN also had the lowest standard deviation by a massive margin. It's not one person pulling up the mean but the whole group streaming more than the other branches this month, which simultaneously is what contributes to a high median
>This is with Gura streaming only 8 hours without whom the standard deviation drops even further to 20 hours and the mean increases to 66. JP and ID also have their outliers, but Shion who streamed just over a single hour is counteracted threefold by Koyori to the point that neither the mean nor standard deviation meaningfully move with her removal; I did remove Ayame, Aqua, and Haachama who didn't stream at all

>However!
>By showing only mean and median and percentages, JP's advantage of having over 3 times more members than the other two branches is completely hidden
>So while their average numbers are by far the worst, there are simply so many JP members that the branch appears to be active due to a large number of strong hitters
>31% JP streaming more than EN's median is in fact the same number as the entire EN branch: 10. 6 JP members streamed more than both EN's max and ID's non-Kaela max
>The takeaway isn't that JP is lazier than EN on average; in fact, ID with one fewer member has more raw hours streamed than EN thanks to the efforts of Kaela. Rather, EN only having 10 members amplifies the contributions every individual member makes to the whole. Just two members in EN going on break due to illness and not streaming has more visible impact as an entire gen of JP going on break at the same time

>TL;DR if EN3 and possibly EN4 had been debuted by now, it would be very unlikely laziness would be remarkable in a 20 person EN branch

>>68127049
That's because management decided to hire a bunch of workhorse hags/cakes who know the game, have experience, and appeal to wildly different demographics. They also did a good job of grabbing a bunch of women who either don't care about the Stars, or are outright avoiding them like the plague.

>>68127049
They are still on probation. Myth was active in the begging.

>>68132083
>Fuwamoco, Biboo
bit early to tell.

>>68127100
Why would mori say she put out 4 songs at once to prove this line of thinking wrong if it was about management and not about the talents? Did you actually watch the stream?

>>68132431
tourettes-chama...

>>68133068
Eh, Fuwamoco seem more into the music side of things, so if they go all-in on orisongs I'm expecting their pace to slow down dramatically once that starts happening. Meanwhile, I think Bijou's going to have fairly consistently long and frequent streams because, and I say this as kindly as I can, with her singing voice I doubt Bijou's going to be working on too many songs.

>>68133333
They hired her to keep kaela off from pressuring managers

>>68133333
Bijou genuinely likes games so I don't see any reason for her to slow down. Some other girls are only interested in idoling or just opportunities in general and picked up gaming out of necessity, but it seems to be Biboo's main profile. EN really needed an actual gamer who plays a variety of stuff at this point.

>>68126449
qrd?

>>68133333
I don't really buy the "going hard on music = less streams" thing when mori exists.

i will never watch, listen to, or buy vtuber "music"

>>68126139
They put more effort into it than a certain black company do for their EN branch.

>>68126473
retard

>>68133593
Have you been living under a rock?
Myth had no 3D for over two years.
Ame organized and set up all their 3D streams until cover actually got around to supporting them.

Yeah really lazy, like that one time one member built an entire studio in her home and flew her fellow actual ex Idol genmate to her home so they could record her first birthday 3D live in time. Figure out every tech issue by themselves while her genmate practiced the choreos and singing in front of a mirror. All because Cover "Couldn't find a studio to do it" but then afterwards cover denied the recordings because it was "In a wrong format" so they had to tardwrangle some random dude in SEA to the last minute to mix everything up.
Such a pathetic showing compared to your average hard worker JP that just, took a train to the studio in 15', with everything setup for them already and scheduled by their managers properly, practiced their choreo and vocals with the coaches there, and then went home again.

>>68133845
That was because of covid.

>>68133923
I agree with what you're saying but you're talking about the exception that absolutely doesn't reflect the majority.

>>68131780
Nothing wrong with venting once in a while.

>>68133845
was just clueless about the fact that Ame spearheaded the 3D debuts. hardly watched Ame until the 3D debuts

>>68133627
Mori and Watame are definitely good counterarguments, though you also have Suisei and Marine representing the other side of that. Maybe it comes down to how well they handle juggling multiple projects at a time, some people have a harder time coping with the stress.

>>68126139
Yeah kiara and mori are the only ones that try anymore the rest coast hard from gen 1gen fauna and bae are the only ones that gives a shit from gen 2 and thank god for gen 3 because without them hololive EN would be fucked

>>68131780
>The more I read whining about how little support they had, the less I believe it
So you admit you weren't there or, at the very least, were not involved enough to pay attention.
If you choose to ignore it, fine. But don't act like you know what you're talking about

>>68127049
Kiara did it too, I believe only Baeless Promise became kinda slackers of holoEN, Gura and Ame at least went hard the first 2 years.

who is ame and how do i support them

>>68132083
Kronii started burn out,Mumei has the college excuse and while Fauna is consistent she never went too hard.
IRyS slacked a bit too.

>>68134772
Mumei said herself that her breaks have nothing to do with college

>>68134827
No, she only said that about her most recent break. Obviously not true for some of her earlier ones but in any case she was hired as a part-time streamer from the start

JP > EN. Simple as.

>>68134827
>>68134913
Did Mumei mention why she's still in college after joining hololive? Does she have a specific career aspiration she's hoping to get into after hololive?

It's almost like people forgot 6 months in Kronii had the double-whammy of her PC going to shit followed by getting COVID right after on top of her original song release being scuffed as all fucking hell.

>>68133584
>who plays a variety of things
she's only played mainstream games tho?

>>68135020
What else do you expect her to play?

Working hard isn't an admirable trait for an entertainer.
You have to actually be entertaining on top of working hard.
I don't care how much you stream if every stream is boring.

>>68134976
I don't watch Mumei but I assume it's a self-esteem issue by now since she's a serial dropout.
It's not like any other holos quit college while in Hololive, every other holo I can think of is either a college graduate, never went to college, dropped out before they even got into holo, or powered through while in college (bae, i think haachama?, some homos, etc.)

>>68135117
Niche stuff.

>>68133584
HOLOLIVE IS A FUCKING IDOL GROUP
BRO IF YOU WANT VIDEO GAMES JUST GO TO TWITCH WTF

>>68135146
Shion...

>>68135400
Since when do idol groups have a whole generation called "gamers"? Are you retarded?

>>68135464
i thought shion was a high school dropout

>>68135478
Are you retarded? You have a million streamers to watch and you pick the one company that cares more about idol work than playing video games

>>68135900
Is that why the JP side has multiple members who stream video games for 6+ hours multiple times a day? Your argument is so dumb, it literally just does not make sense. They're streamers, first and foremost. Or do you want them to not stream, only do concerts like real idols? Newfags really do enjoy parroting this idol meme.

>>68135146
I do watch mumei, and it's basically this. She said herself that her self esteem took a big hit and she felt like a failure after dropping out the first time. She's getting a degree because her overbearing mother made her feel like she needs it to be anything other than a failure

>>68136184
>a day
*a week

>>68136184
oh boy i love getting called a newfag by people that have no idea what they're talking about

>>68136250
>i love getting called a newfag
I guess it happens a lot, not surprising

>>68136184
I'd be happy with more non-gaming streams, but I doubt there'll be a vtuber cultural shift away from vidya any time soon.

>>68136305
Every vtuber I've seen who tries to focus on creative variety or non-gaming streams eventually suffers creative burnout, unless they also supplement that with gaming streams where they can unwind

>>68136250
>>68136303
You're both retards for trying to put what hololive is into a box of something else when it is unique. They aren't entirely idols but they have a lot of influence from the idol industry. They aren't just streamers but they do stream.
You're like trannies trying to tack on another letter to the lgbtqia shit

>>68132366
This is probably even more EN favored now with Advent because Bijou and Fuwamoco both stream a shit ton. Hell even Nerissa streams a lot even if it is hundreds of hours of BG3 and Stardew

>>68129657
Nice lie

>>68126139
>they won't put any effort into it
That ended up being pretty true. Myth was on absolute fire when they debuted and were putting in massive amounts of effort but as time went on Ina, Ame, and Gura succumbed to their western female laziness. Mori and especially Kiara kept trying but most of Myth has been on low effort mode for about 2 years now. Something similar happened to Council. They tried hard at first and then dropped off as the laziness claimed them. It'll probably happen to Advent too. I predict Biboo and Fuwamoco will keep grinding away while Nerissa and Shiori drop off. The lesson is that western culture instills western women with a terrible work ethic.

>>68136542
Speedreader

>>68129859
Most of them stream so much less than they used to. Aqua, Marine, Lamy and Choco practically retired compared to the old days. Only Towa, Okayu and Subaru stream more, and Aki, Luna, Pekora and Fubuki are about the same. Everyone else streams less.

>>68136713
>muh grorius nippon work ethic
don't look at the dozen or so semi retired JPs

>>68136585
I won't pretend I even like most of HoloEN, but the lazy EN whore narrative has been soundly refuted.

>>68134772
I wouldn't call IRyS a hard worker by any stretch, but her throat issues were a big part of why her activity decreased at a few points.

>>68136241
That's the worst and stupidest reason she could possibly have for getting one and the irony is she's shooting her vtubing career in the foot by doing so. I thought it was for some other reason like her having a passion for some sort of career outside of streaming which would be fine.

Jesus christ mumei get your shit together.

>>68136855
Grorious nippon work ethic is a shitload better than the work ethic going on in EN. What percentage of EN is still streaming on a consistent basis?

>>68137048
Mumei is the queen of self-sabotage

>>68137316
Poor girl is going to live her life chained down by her family until she finds the courage to tell them to fuck off.

>>68126241
only results matter deadbrap, Mori brings nothing to the table and should graduate already

>>68137048
No one ever claimed Mumei was smart

>>68137525
>mumei
>standing up for herself
Yeah and one day my dick will grow to be statistically average

https://youtu.be/b8g0HWn-Zas
https://youtu.be/b8g0HWn-Zas
https://youtu.be/b8g0HWn-Zas
38 minutes till the Empress of all EN!

>>68138136
Sorry, I don't watch alcoholics who hate their fans

>>68134267
Did you watch the VR chat 3D on Halloween, Christmas and other events, their 3D offcollab?
She did the 3D organization for a lot of group collabs, not just her own 3D.

>>68138136
No thanks I will be watching advent tonight.

>>68138382
What's on the menu?
>FWMC once again sucking at video games
>Nerissa super out-of-season kusoge slop
>Koseki sponsorship slop
Don't lie to yourself. You're watching Goobies.

>>68134267
Ame used to be considered the driving force behind the creativity in EN. Now she just kind of gave up with the rest of her gen

>>68138494
Was the joke here that literally all three of these things apply to Gura too?

>>68138494
>FWMC once again sucking at video games
imagine thinking Gura isn't shit at games
>>Nerissa super out-of-season kusoge slop
Fucking IMAGINE gura not playing FOTM kusoge slop. Holy fucking shit the lack of awareness
>Koseki sponsorship slop
HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Oh my god stop, you're making me laugh too much

>>68138568
>>68138597
She's the first to play modded Palworld though. She's a trailblazer like that.

>>68138664
Your bait isn't even fun, anon
You're supposed to make me mad, not be a comedian

thinking antigura adventfags are just spurred ex-chumbuds, they have the same obnoxious posting style as the chumbuds of old

>>68138700
You're sounding real ESL there.

>>68138136
The Messi of Vtubing. Vtubing comes to her as naturally as breathing. She'll never have an equal.

Don't make me pull out the old "who wants to talk about how hard Kiara works? Who wants to actually watch Kiara?" image.

>>68138180
Don't be such a fag, no one cares about their fans. She isn't different to the rest of them

>>68139037
Fucking sad how she's mindbroken you chumbuds. You've been conditioned to think everything is as bad as you have it

>Myth debuted when Hololive was hitting peak popularity due to their senpai's being uber-talented and going viral
>Mori and her retarded gen thought they were going to fail despite having a fanbase of 2mil+ to leech from
>This is the only cunt in the entire branch that hated vtubers before it made her career btw

This is why people don't like Mori.

>>68134963
EN streams more than JP, shart

>>68137200
This has already been debunked see >>68132366 and >>68129859

JPs are lazy as fuck

>>68139108
>Mindbroken
Maybe I just don't have the estrogen to infer the real deep meaning behind her absence is that she hates us, just like your fathers absence is because he hated you

>>68139119
I don't like her. But you're a fucking retard newfag. It was widely known that people weren't sure if myth would go anywhere. EN vtubing hadn't taken off at that point and was widely pioneered by them. Pretty much every myth member has gone on record saying this and not even management was confident in the branch

>>68136748
There are some jobs you can do for the rest of your life and there are some jobs where most people can only put in a few years, if that much. I think vtubing is the latter, for whatever reason. People just burn out

>>68139457
Damn, it must really suck making your own schedule to play video games for a living and earn more than 99% of the population of the planet. I weep for them

>>68139273
Yeah I'm not reading all that. JP work ethic > EN work ethic

>>68139601
Their job is to entertain your cretin, any retard can make a schedule and play video games. You could do it right now, but you won't get far because you're a boring nobody

>>68139601
You have no idea how demanding it is to try to satisfy the expectations of hundreds of thousands of people in a job that largely affects even your private life (so basically, you always have to do everything in secret, which means building personal relationships is near impossible). It's probably really fucking stressful and requires much more work than your low-tier office job.

>>68138739
they are
make sure to annoy them by reminding them that gura is still the queen, they hate having their old numberfag shitpost blow up on their face

>>68139883
Yes, I'm sure you're such an expert on this matter and not simply rushing to white knight like a good little faggot

>>68138772
I'm sorry your grasp of basic english is so bad

>>68139601
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaah I'm poor and they aren't waaaaaaaaaaaaah
fucking pathetic

>>68140236
I definitely know more than you, considering your responses, probably even an office job would be too demanding. Bitter factory worker, I assume?

>>68140423
I haven't worked in 10 years and have self-supported myself and lived alone the whole time. Care to try again?

>>68140236
it's not that rare of a phenomenom, any celebrity of any medium is fucked up mentally by the attention, some deal with it better but a ton of them just self destruct

>>68140236
There is no need to get competitive you can both suck cock

>>68139031
no-one's brought Kiara up except you
czech boy

>>68140521
>neet faggot living in the woods
k, nobody who is satisfied with how they live seethes at streamers man, there are thousands out there that earn more for less work

>>68129657
dude, gura, since day 0. has been pushing the 'X hurt, so I can't stream this weekend', shit got so bad that when she became lazy andjst stopped giving excuses (around her second or third skyrim stream) she got scolded and forced to stream that night, given the horrible mood she had when she actually streamed.

>>68138739
>Gura is the holomem everyone knows about
>Advent is the hot new thing
>bored tourists use them to shitstir
The curse of having eyes on you.

>>68140834
Sure, keep projecting. I'm enjoying my life in Tokyo laughing at your flailing around

>>68140902
pure headcanon, also that bad mood was a pet dying

>>68141058
and with all that you're still seething at chuuba, how sad

>>68141058
>Erm actually I don't live alone in the woods, I live alone in the city
You're wasting oxygen regardless of where you decide to leech off civilisation

>>68137525
Fuck her family for wanting her to have a stable income and a dignified job. And then they have the gall to cook her nice dinners and get mad at her for buying a burger instead.
You retards need to do some fucking reps, because all her stories about her family keeping her down range from embellishments to falsehoods.

>>68142277
>Fuck her family for wanting her to have a stable income and a dignified job.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>68135900
ReGloss debuted as an a pure singing and/or Idol focused group. They've done more video game streams than any singing content. You lost.

>>68139382
t. actual newfag

Fubuki, Miko, Pekora and even Rushia were showing that the actual western demand was there. It's not their fault that the only person to have talent in that entire gen is Gura and Ina. Try harder to cover that you're a Mythfag moron.

>>68143054
>gura
Way to out yourself
Opinion discarded

>>68126139
Let's have a hypothetical situation where Covid didn't happen and life continued as normal between 2019-2021.
They wouldn't have been nearly as successful, because not only would people have not been stuck at home, bombarded by the algorithm for months at a time, the talents would've also had real life obligations, which would mean much less engagement during the early months.
The doubts were completely reasonable, but the coof was the real golden opportunity for their success that nobody could've predicted.

>>68141122
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>68138504
can't blame her she was working OT like that
i just hope she returns even just halfway eventually, i do miss her

>>68139770
>Not reading all that
>Literally 3 columns

>>68135563
She is not a drop out but she didn't go to college because Holo.

>>68140560
It's also wild that some of them seem to CRAVE it, like Kiara and FuwaMoco for examples in EN.
I love my needy hardworking retarded girls!

>>68126139
Yes but some things were also their own fault.
Calli definitely needed to be tard wrangled with her Connor shit and Valentine's day shit
Kiara needs to at least pretend she isn't a lesbian
And let us never forget Ina nepo hiring Sana who we all know how that ended.
That being said Omega was a faggot and if Advent stays the course Dmitri might be what EN needs

>>68133845
did you already forget that japan closed its border during the pandemic

>>68139770
>Coping on facts
Kek

>>68144562
People seem to want to memory hole how fucking badly Japan wanted to go back to Sakoku using the Pandemic as an excuse despite how fucking awful of an idea it was.
But hey gotta keep that Japanese bloodline pure (Not that it is anyway they're all probably various Asian mutts but they avoid genetics like they avoid a dumbbell so they're ignorant of the fact)

>>68143511
They would still be reasonably successful, they just wouldn't be catapulted to a level of stardom they can't fall down from.
Also it's crazy the disrespect people here have for Mori, she's insanely prolific and still more high profile than Ina who also maintains a 2nd job. I appreciate Kiara as much as pink woman but unless I'm underestimating it, her cosplay stuff is much less intensive. I still would never talk down to any of those three, they've worked harder than me 100%. Ame also did a lot of behind the scene shit for years and deserves her praise as well. So overall Myth did their job.
On the other hand, CouncilRyS is the inverse with Bae needing to pick up everyone's slack at her own expense. Crazy Bae gets disrespected here too.

>>68129859
Holoive could terminate everyone in the left and center columns and their efficiency would massively improve.They'd be able to do so much more for the talents in the right column who actually care about streaming.

>>68144724
Too bad their economy is not sustanable on that tiny-ass island without all the tourism.
As for Cover, if it isn't obvious, there's a general bias towards the JP branch. You can schizo out and assume it's some JP supremacy thing, but in reality it's more than likely that it's just generally easier to set up and plan things with people in 3d who only need to take a train to get to the office. I still hate the fact that people can't make EN appearances in EN 3d streams work and we get 3d shows full of JP and extremely broken Japanese and English for those.

>>68142931
They've released more music than any other gen over the same time span. They seem to basically live at the cover studio

>>68139883
>You have no idea how demanding it is to try to satisfy the expectations of hundreds of thousands of people
They don't either. They don't always listen to fans and, really, none of them have that many. Subs aren't the same as fans.
>you always have to do everything in secret, which means building personal relationships is near impossible
1. Where do you think you are right now? I haven't had a personal relationship since high school. Vtubers are all close to each other as well as to utaite and other e-celebs, but this is especially true in a corporation like Hololive. Do you know how many of them have explicitly said Hololive was a way for them to gain friends? Joining didn't cause them to lose any.
2. If you're talking about romantic relationships...c'mon, buddy...c'mon.
>It's probably really fucking stressful and requires much more work than your low-tier office job
They barely work at all and aren't expected to wake up or go to bed at the same time every day like normal people. It's also incredibly difficult for them to get fired. Cover has to think they're good enough to hire them, but after that, they're pretty much set for life. Just keep your fucking mouth shut. Which I realize is difficult for a woman, but I've had the same job for 12 years and half my family don't know what it is. It's not hard to just NOT talk about work.

>>68127156
>burnt out
from doing what? You need to actually do something first

>>68144787
That's stupid. There's a level of production and entertainment that no other Corpo currently has that Hololive offers. As much as some people hate the 3d lives and HoloFes/Link Your Wish stuff, it's part of the charm of the whole thing and wouldn't be as big or prolific without the whole crew there and I'm saying this as someone who loves Kiara and wants to see her get all of the 3d lives she wants.
>>68144766
This place is basically Waifu Warz the board. People obsessed with their favorite streamer come her to bloviate on how amazing she is and take offense to innocuous comments like "Bae works really hard to bring together Promise and really enjoys big productions that include everyone!". In their mind that means "Bae is much better and kinder than your favorite, and your favorite is a piece of shit selfish asshole".

>>68145342
Gura just told them to tell management they were burnt out and they could coast on memberships paying the bills without actually working

>>68129095
prior to advent debuting, the only ones you could count on to stream actively were kiara and mori, and if you don't watch either of them, then shit kinda sucks.
meanwhile in JP it doesn't matter that shion streams once every 3 months when you can count on pekora, miko, subaru, koyori, fubuki or 15 other holos who stream basically every day.

>>68145200
I think you're downplaying it a bit. Keeping people entertained for hours on end without becoming stale IS hard. On top of that you have to think a bit about optics and how to PR yourself into a situation where you can gain some new fans from a different pool of potentials you may not really be hitting at the moment. Juggle that with keeping regular paypigs happy to keep the train rolling and you've got some pressure on you.
Then we get to add in the logistics of working for an actual Japanese company like Hololive, where a third of their time every week is spent doing what amounts to office work.
In the end, is it as physically demanding as other jobs? Fuck no, but it takes a certain kind of brain to be able to do what some of these girls do.

>>68145424
I mean, that was definitely that guy's intention. Which is annoying because I love Bae and I see retards like him using her to start fights

>>68134278
>Marine
Not like she does lyrics or composes.

>>68145717
>it takes a certain kind of brain to be able to do what some of these girls do
Yeah, so they hire people who can do it. This is like saying professional sports is super hard, because only the very top athletic people can do it - but no shit? That means it's hard for you and me, yes, but that doesn't mean it's hard for them. They were hired specifically because it ISN'T hard for them. Surgery is super difficult - if you don't have hands. Thankfully, we hire surgeons that do, so...got that shit covered, anon, you can rest easy.

You also think I'm downplaying them, but I think you're UP-playing them. You're a fool if you think they spend dozens of hours every week doing office work. Some of them stream over a thousand hours every year while also staying fit, doing voice overs, recording songs, taking care of pets, attending dance lessons, watching other streamers, visiting family and more. In that 1000 hour difference between Koyori and Shion, what work do you think she's doing?

>>68134252
Public venting when you're one of the most targeted EN members of the most targeted vtuber agency is retarded.

Kiara and fuwamoco are the only en with jp work ethic, the rest are lazy westerners or act like it.

>>68145200
>I haven't had a personal relationship since high school.
And why would anyone want to live a life as shit as yours? You may have used to it, but for most people, it's suffering.
>They barely work at all
So you have basically no idea what you're talking about.

>>68146320
Are you going to compare your average office worker to some grunt who lives and works on the job 24/7 and ask "wtf why isn't that guy working as hard as the literal hardest worker?
>>68146497
You mean Fuwamoco and Biboo. Kiara is lazy and takes vacations all the time.

>>68144766
>Also it's crazy the disrespect people here have for Mori
Not really. She basically applied to Hololive as a joke, had no idea what to do when she actually got accepted, and committed a string of major yabs. But when Omega's push for intergender content ended in spectacular failure and Vesper and Magni left it seemed to serve as something of a wakeup call for Mori to get her shit together and start acting like more of an idol. She's pretty okay now. But if you don't understand why /vt/ dragged her so hard in the past then you're probably a newfag

>>68146791
No she isn't. She talks to her audience like they're gradeschoolers and regardless of /vt/s opinion of her or Vtuber fans as a whole that's still a shitty thing to do.

>>68146320
I'm not going to defend every single one of them one by one. Yes, there are some who have obviously given up on the streamer side of things, but they still add some to the events.
As for your comparison. I want you to think of it like this. A profession sports player has both the raw ability AND the training to do what they do. Your average office worker could fall into a job if they just cleaned up before an interview and didn't act like a retard. People like Mori, Kiara, FuwaMoco, Ina, Bae, etc, have all poured countless hours into their own personal talents that played a part in getting them the job. It wasn't just the fact that they could stream to people. Hell some of them had no prior experience, but that they had a talent that could be useful to entertain in different ways, and those cultivated talents didn't come out of nowhere, just like a kid doesn't pick up a baseball bat and instantly have the ability to hit home runs like a major leaguer.

>>68126139
Like any NA branch offices of Japanese companies, it’s a commune of LGBT vegan hippies leeching on JP main office’s earnings and squandering it on social activities.
And it’s Mori herself constantly telling Yagoo that once he fires any of them there will be a horrific uprising and they’d burn Japanese embassies in the us and Canada.

>>68146553
>Kiara is lazy and takes vacations all the time.
Kiara is one of the hardest workers in EN and has only had 1 vacation after three years of constant grind, schizochama.

>>68146553
>All the time.
2/3rds of those were Japan trips for work. Only recently has she had a spree of vacations.

>>68147053
>has only had 1 vacation after three years of constant grind, schizochama
That isn't even true, how the fuck do you get that when she's been to the maldives multiple times?

>>68139601
Why don’t you do it then?
After all it’s easy as fuck apparently

>>68146791
nah, I agree with him, regardless of what her application was motivated by, she did put in work from day one, even while having multiple jobs she tried to stream nearly daily and since then her output and involvement in Hololive stuff been increasing year after year
no one is still shitting on Korone for having zero idea on what to do near debut and getting carried on her genmates and Korone debuted only a year before

>>68147053
She went on Vacation with Reines six months ago and Nerissa last month

>>68147138
I knew you'd bring up the Maldives, which is retarded.
She spent plenty of hours both trips setting up streams with her off-collab partners, Reine and Nerissa. Did they have some vacation time in there where they relaxed? 100%, but to sit here and act like they just dropped off the face of the Earth is retarded. Hell, Kiara is on her detox couple of weeks and still can't help but communicate on twitter.

>>68147138
>That isn't even true
Yes it is.
>she's been to the maldives multiple times
She's been to the Maldives twice and neither time was a real vacation. She still worked and churned out content when she was there.

>>68147259
>Vacation with Reine
You mean her visiting Indonisia in-between going to Japan (which she was going to for 3d recordings and off-collabs) to do off-collabs with a bunch of the Indo girls?

>>68147289
>>68147394
I never said that she went full Gura, chill out. Constant communication is great and puts her at the top of EN but has nothing to do with hard work.
Anyway it's telling that I can shit on anyone in this thread freely but only when I shit on Kiara do people come out and get mad. Really tells me who's making the posts in here.

>>68147515
I just want to call you a retard for being wrong, because you specifically said "Kiara is lazy and takes vacations all the time".

>>68146893
>Luna speaks like a gradeschooler
people seethe
>Mori speaks like a gradeschooler teacher
people seethe

why do Holos with character voices trigger people so badly

How are you guys all this retarded? She meant Cover wasn't going to put in much effort into the branch, not that the talents wouldn't. Watch streams.

>>68147699
nah, she meant the talents
she was even concernposting on /jp/ about it

>>68147678
I'm still not convinced that's not Luna's real voice. Even clips that go 'LUNA BREAKS CHARACTER' or 'LUNA'S REAL VOICE' sounds exactly the same.
But more to the point it's that we know Mori can talk like a normal person but she has elected to do it after what can essentially be boiled down to being fed up with chat calling her out.

>>68147570
I was responding to the guy who called everyone but Kiara and Fuwamoco "lazy westerners" so I was just copying his wording to make a point for leaving out people like Biboo (and Mori if I had remembered when I was posting)
I'm still going to disagree with you about the vacations part though.

>>68147515
Kiara literally worked from the Maldives. Both times she went. The vacation she's on now is her first ever vacation from work since joining Hololive in 2020.

>>68147678
Luna feels like she's in character, Mori feels like she's just condescending. I don't particularly hate her, but it's rather irritating.

>>68147150
Because I'm not a woman, anon
If I had a vagina I would because it unironically would be easy as fuck

>>68147699
It's a give and take anon.
The best talents in the world can't do shit if management does nothing at best, interfere at worst
Just as the best manager in the world couldn't get Gura to stream consistently or Sana to stream period.

>>68147853
>I'm still going to disagree with you about the vacations part though.
Anon you can just admit you never watch Kiara and have no idea how hard she actually works kek

>>68147907
But the most successful streamers are men.
XQc, Asmongold, Shaka, ishowspeed.
So again why don’t you do it since it’s so easy?

>>68147853
>I was wrong and shit on Kiara but was proven wrong so now I'll backtrack
Sad. I'd love to know what constitutes a vacation to you.
Do you bring your work laptop with you to your destination and do a bunch of work from the hotel room? If you're a physical worker like in trades, do you just seek out odd jobs to do for people in the area when you should be relaxing and doing nothing? That would be the equivalent of what Kiara does during most of her 'vacations'.

>>68147969
Sorry but I hear that from everyone about their oshi. Enlighten me on how hard she works beyond long stream hours then, because now we have multiple people who can stream more than her.

>>68147994
They won the lottery you retard
A woman just has to speak and lewdbait

guys, i think most people here have autism.

>>68147699
I think you should watch streams.
>>68133216

>>68148043
>That would be the equivalent of what Kiara does during most of her 'vacations'.
Go ahead, enlighten me on what work she's doing then while on vacation, I'm genuinely curious.

>>68148064
what a pathetic bitter loser lmao

>>68147831
>I'm still not convinced that's not Luna's real voice. Even clips that go 'LUNA BREAKS CHARACTER' or 'LUNA'S REAL VOICE' sounds exactly the same.
lmao, no, not only it is like half an octave lower, it is also strongly different in the manner of speaking itself, it's way less infantile which I guess might be hard to grasp

>>68147889
I'm not making observations on individual anons, but on general approaches, Luna's been triggering people with her voice since the vtuber general on /jp/ and I was like "it's part of her schtick, some people are into it, stop making such a huge deal about it" (which finally sort of stuck), but it's funny to see it reflected with an EN member

>>68148149
Planning streams, writing down notes from what's happening during the vacation, actually streaming from the vacation hotel room, planning little events and posts to keep her fans happy and entertained. She never disconnects and is constantly thinking and doing work. She's talked about picking up her phone in the middle of her rare weekend off to communicate about projects happening via discord or text. It's fine that you don't watch her ever, but you don't have to double down when you're wrong.

>>68148286
There was a real boom of complaining about voices when Fuwawa and Mococo debuted, exactly in line the the Luna complaints

>>68146498
I didn't choose to live like that and neither have the rest of us, you tourist, that's just life when you're not a normalfag. You're on a message board where everyone's anonymous, crying about how difficult it is to maintain anonymity.

>>68146553
I'm going to be honest: I have no fucking clue what it is you're trying to ask here. Let's try and break it down.
>Are you going to compare your average office worker
Okay. Average office worker. Got it. I don't know if you're trying to say being the average office worker is easy or difficult, but judging by earlier comments, I guess easy.
>to some grunt
Okay, I'm immediately confused because "grunt" implies the lowest level work imaginable, but you have a bone to pick with office workers, so let's keep going.
>who lives and works on the job 24/7
Okay, so yes, in your mind the grunt is a working class hero or something. Got it. Living the job is hard, okay.
>and ask "wtf why isn't that guy
I don't know which of the two is "that guy," so let's hope the rest of the sentence clarifies it.
>working as hard as the literal hardest worker?
It did not. At first it sounds like you're trying to say the grunt isn't working hard, and shouldn't be, because his job never end, he has to spread himself thin. But then who's "the literal hardest worker"? The office worker? A third worker who hasn't been described yet? I can't tell if you're trying to say it's unfair to compare lazy people to hard-working people or if it's unfair to compare people with regular jobs to people who live on the job or what.

So I'm going to leave that to you to fix and instead reiterate my point:

You're trying to say their job is hard because I can't do it, but that doesn't make sense, because that means the people hired for it CAN do it, which means, for them, it is NOT hard. I can play video games all day and talk about random stuff. I have much practice. Would people think I'm cute or funny? No. But that's MY obstacle, not theirs. People DO think they're cute or funny. They can do the same stupid shit I do, but people will watch them - what's hard about that? Most of them aren't super interesting people or anything, they're just cute girls. Is EXISTING hard for them?

>>68146896
I respect anyone who tries hard to be good at what they do, but that's ancillary to being successful as a vtuber. That average office worker might go home and work her butt off learning piano, but no one's ever giving her an akasupa for it.

>>68137041
>throat issues
>management being cunts with making her sing really challenging songs for her vocals
>management taking so long on the model rework
first year-1.5 years had a lot of bumps so i cant really blame her too much on her decrease in activity.
She somewhat seemed motivated to potentially hit 1 million back in late 2022 but she really slowed down after throat issues once more post-rework.
I really hope she gets a new orig song out on HER TERMS and push herself to get to 1 million, but seemed like she dosent care as much anymore..

>>68148339
Give an example of the little events/posts she's planned while on vacation? That and streaming might count as "work" to me, the rest is just reflective of the fact that she's terminally online. Even someone like Mumei takes notes from her day to plan for her streams and no one is saying she's a hard worker because of that.
Anyway I'll dip after your next response.

>>68148169
I'll take that as a concession

>>68131195
Mori puts the effort but we're talking about holoEN, just look at her gen, Kiara puts the effort too but the rest are all dead and Gura won against the infamous lazy oni

>>68148434
I think their voice is perfect for their character archetype, they are both super over excitable like puppies, but there's a strong contrast between the softspoken FWW (who can then surprise you by saying something super fucked up or being jokingly condescending towards her twin) and the slightly tomboyish MCC (who in turn can surprise you with being super girly and vulnerable)
likewise, Luna sells the baby princess perfectly, and the moments where she either loses composure or sings in her adult voice actually strengthen the "hime" side a lot, especially when it's flipping the usual position in the manzai routine (like her being a tsukkomi towards ChocoShuba)
Mori's type is a bit more complex, but she has a similar thing as Sakaki from Azumanga - you have this cool looking lady, but when she speaks she's sounding somewhat restrained and overtly polite since she's aware her appearance and reputation are intimidating and then you have the full gap on display when she's scared, fully comfortable with someone or during a live performance

imho expecting vtubers to talk like "normal people" is an ask that brings the medium down rather than enhance it

>>68148692
You fucking retard, I'm saying they got the job and use their unique talents that they've worked on for many, many years as one of their main draw points.
>>68148790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOEvywmhFMs
>Pic related, pictures from her hangout with Haachama and Ame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smzBSVGbPAs
Just a few examples. She told everyone directly this time that these 3 weeks would be Jenma making posts of stored content she had created for this upcoming vacation.

>>68148692
I'm not the guy you were talking to before actually, I just jumped in halfway, that was my first reply to you. The other guy replied to you afterwards.
No, I just said there's no point comparing the hardest worker in the corpo (Koyori, someone who fits an extreme even compared to the rest of HoloJP) to someone like Shion when most people fall in between somewhere. Even comparing Koyori to your average Holo streamer is unfair. Instead of putting down people for not being Koyori, acknowledge that Koyori is special because she can do all of that and not burn out (yet).

>>68133923
>Do one noteworthy thing in 3 years
>Soft retire for the rest of the time
Where do you find such job?

>>68148692
>I didn't choose to live like that
Well that's the point, you would live like that anyway, because you're a trash loser, but they aren't.
>You're on a message board where everyone's anonymous
Comparing this to having to be anonymous in basically all your irl life is just so utterly retarded that I can't even explain, end your life.

>>68138504
Can't blame her for that, if Ame wants to chill let her be, she already done enough

>>68135130
All extremes are bad, talentless fags who stream 24/7 on twitch are as bad as a talented retard who streams once a month, no amount of quality can make that worth the wait, unless you're a casual, if that's the case you wouldn't be /here/

>>68135130
>Working hard isn't an admirable trait for an entertainer.
working hard is an admirable trait for anyone and "talented but lazy" people will endlessly cope about it not being so despite every culture that created a functioning civilization respecting said trait
venerating lazy charismatic assholes is a trait of every dying empire/trand

>>68136855
And those JPs lose fans, meanwhile EN fags support that attitude, in fact if you say they don't stream very much they say you're a parasocial loser and should be grateful for the little time they give you the right to watch for free
Only Aqua remained a powerhouse despite the drop in delivery

>>68148055
>Enlighten me on how hard she works beyond long stream hours
Go watch Kiara's content and enlighten yourself. I bet you don't even know she damaged her wrist by pushing herself to hand-sign hundreds of postcards way too fast. She used to preach against the dangers of becoming a workaholic but she became one without realizing it. That's one of the reasons why she's on a break.

>>68144787
Once they invested the initial amount for the live2d it would be silly to do that since even the lowest viewed homos make more than enough money to cover any upkeep costs since it is so low.

>>68147678
Because english is trash and makes everyone sound the same, if your voice is slightly lower they think you're a black guy, if you have a higher pitched voice you sound like a kid, they lack nuance and it's one of the reasons they see everything in black and white

>>68148169
>Loser
Imagine thinking a bald globin, a manlet nigger and a malnourished fag are successful just because they have money lol lmao
Only poor people think like that, get money and you'll understand that most rich fags are autistic, a douchebag or miserable

>>68150655
Quite possibly the most pathetic cope I've ever read on this site.

>>68150762
while his post does reek of cope and bitterness, it's not entirely wrong, entertainers and high level businessmen tend to be some of the most miserable and stressed people on the planet

>>68126139
eh, EN side was less about not putting effort and more was there even an audience. Turns out there was, but I don't think people were at the stage of worrying about effort prior to myth debut.

>>68151466
consider that Mori got most of her opinions and feedback on the idea of HoloEN not from like general social media which she dislikes, but from fucking /jp/, and her worries make way more sense

>>68149192
>use their unique talents that they've worked on for many, many years
Yes, they CAN do that. That does not really describe vtubers in general, though.

>>68149224
2020 Shion streamed 400 hours which is what the average Holo streams now. I think you just have a naive view of what the girls do for a living. You think Koyori is some kind of special machine who never stops "working," but the more logical conclusion is that they don't work that much, because people wouldn't work that much if they could choose not to. Normal people work 2000 hours a year. Do you think Choco does 1600 hours of offstream work every year?

>>68149357
>you would live like that anyway, because you're a trash loser, but they aren't
It's funny just how much this community has changed over the years. The whole appeal of vtubers initially was that they're geeks and outcasts and incels, just like us, and that's why they hid behind avatars and attracted an audience of Internet otaku. Now, apparently, they're these super talented, super popular, beautiful people and I can't even deign to imagine myself in their presence. When did this happen and where did you come from?
>having to be anonymous in basically all your irl life
Don't talk about work != having to be anonymous in their real lives. Nerissa has her entire fucking family on stream with her. Several have RM accounts where you see their face. At least one was married and had quite a number of adventures off camera and it didn't seem to impact her vtubing life at all until she made a dumb "mistake."

>>68130414
Cover corp literally admitted that they did not expect Myth to be successful and it took them a while to properly support their overseas talents.
Songs were self funded
Event streams were self funded
Small chibi 3D were self funded
Cover did the bare minimum with EN for their initial days. If Ame wasn't there with her small knowledge with tech Morales for both talents and fans would have died down. Now I wouldn't say Cover was doing out of malice, it was more due to their lack of resources and knowledge which held them back

>>68139119
>Wrong
>Wrong
>Wrong
Strike and you are faggot

I wonder what kind of chemical product i have to drink or eat to think that Kiara is lazy, that fucking woman even in her free time in some random jap hotel did a twitter space to talk about practices and choreos before her 3D Birthday Concert when Jenma told her to relax. Seriously, what kind of diet you had to think this is how lazy people works.

Lazy is not putting effort into things, and in holo, there's a buch of them but they a minority.

Huh? Interesting, my comment saying Kanade has a black manager was deleted.

>>68139864
What is the point you are trying to make here, moron? No fucking shit many people would not get far. Allegedly these sluts already have the penchant for entertaining the audience , so the only thing left for them is to just keep doing it. Don't feed me this stupidity about them needing some prep time not to be shit at it. The content they provide is barely any different in quality from the flesh streamers. And the latter manage to actually put some hours in.

>>68130414
2020 Cover is not 2024 Cover. Before Gen 5 and EN Debuted the highest Debut numbers were 5 digits when Gen 5 debuted they ballooned to 100,000 in the course of 6 months.
Cover at home just dealt with a Graduation speed run from Aloe(thank goodness she pulled herself back together) and the Taiwan Yab. The Holocaust had just occurred and many talents lost a sizeable portion of their vods.
EN then extremely unexpectedly exploded and doubled the sub counts of pretty much every holo in the company. Keep in mind EN is the only full Gen of 5 to all reach 1 millions and do it in less then 1 year. For context it took Coco nearly 1 year and Fubuki 2 years to reach 1 millions. Gura did it in 45 days.
This all occurred during Corona and the JP side was already having severe issues with manging talents during this time (Aloe, Coco, Haachama, Nene, Lamy, Pekora).
And I am pretty sure there is a 6 month road map which they kind of had to follow because the expectations were blown so far out of the water shellshocked everyone so they just ran with it.

Funny enough Mori kind of carried the banner. She had a milestone celebration every 100k subs and her music was logging everything in it's path plus she fought to get a lot of merch and sponsorships... I miss wageslave Mori...

>>68129859
I think it also doesn't help that the runts of EN are the most prolific streamers.

>>68129859
>just short of 3 fucking months
Jesus.

>>68126139
i mean yeah? myth lived on hype but did nothing (except for mori, ironically enough)

>>68126139
yup

>>68126139
>Covid lockdowns
>Their original streaming setups and living situations were very much not good when they started (for instance, Calli's apartment)
>EN are all on different timezones but still need to both be available with each other as well as with Japan's timezone
>Management were a bunch of Do-Nothings
Of course the big thing with Myth's debut was that, even though vtubers were beginning to pick up a following with EN speakers, those were for JP vtubers. Nobody knew if it'd work with a bunch of filthy fucking gaijin (and therefore not "authentic" to the craft), so it's not hard to imagine why there was a lot of doubt with them at the start.