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>overlaps both FuwaMoco's birthday streams while every other HoloEN member either didn't stream or redirected to them afterwards
Why is Kronii like this? Feels like she's is the one who pays the least attention to what's going on with other Hololive members.

>> No.68080925

Thanks for the remined that Kronii is streaming

>> No.68082277

>shes playing outer wilds
sounds much better than those two retards bau bauing for several hours

>> No.68082361

>>68080741
they took her paypigs

>> No.68083782

>>68080741
Kronii doesn't like anyone in advent. Bijou uses a fake anime girl voice(Kronii has gone on multiple rants about how much she hates the anime girl voice), Nerissa has an accent and certain inflections that she hates(another thing Kronii isn't secretive about), FuwaMoco are 200% in on the idol life(Kronii infamously despises idol culture) and Shiori... I'm actually not sure if Shiori does anything Kronii hates but she's very introverted and shy so they'll probably never get around to doing anything together one on one.

Not suggesting any of this is bad either. She's entitled to her opinions. I'm just pointing out that she probably can't stand at least 4/5 Advent members and anyone who watches her should know this.

>> No.68083971

>>68080741
And she also started playing outer wilds just after faunas playthrough finished, despite having played it before

>> No.68084240

>>68080741
Based Kronii not letting anyone get between her and her kronies

>> No.68085073

>>68080741
>Feels like she's is the one who pays the least attention to what's going on with other Hololive members.
Kronii generally (but not always) thinks she's above them, of course she wouldn't know when anyone else is doing an event, or be interested in abiding by it.

>> No.68085086

>>68080741
>>68082277
>>68082361
>>68083782
>>68083971
>>68084240
Retard

>> No.68085167

>>68085073
Retard

>> No.68085432

>>68085086
Everything I stated is a fact. Watch streams.

>> No.68085498

>>68085432
The only fact here is you're lucky enough your one brain cell helps you remember to breathe when you go to sleep.

>> No.68085633

>>68085167
You really gonna try to tell me Kronii is humble?

>> No.68086036

>>68080741
JP OVERLAPPED MOCOCO THEY MUST FUCKING HATE HER

>> No.68086117

>>68085498
Nta but i kind of agree with him. Dropped Kronii because she drifts by and for the last year I still don't know what she wants to achieve in Hololive. She is carried by booba design but hates it, like come the fuck on she's a bit depressed at times but that is suppose to make you grateful for the things that support you in life. Anyways I wish her good health as recently she feels back to form and there have been good recent improvements I noticed skimming content.

>> No.68086220

>>68085633
You know you are outing yourself as a huge clipwatcher right?

>> No.68086328

>>68086036
fuck u sora u bitch

>> No.68086434

>>68086328
Get off my sora-chan or i will kick u

>> No.68086447

>>68085498
>still delusional
Okay. Deny reality and spout more ad hominem if that really makes you feel better. Feel free to ask in the split, none of her dislikes are a secret. She has ranted about all of that shit numerous times.

>> No.68086632

>>68080741
>Whining about overlapping when there are 15 EN Holomems who all have to share the NA daylight hours

You idiots really have nothing better to do with your time than to post obvious bait, huh.

>> No.68086639

>>68086036
at least they have the excuse of being in a separate branch. kronii is just an irredeemable bitch. even gura the overlap queen didn't stream over them.

>> No.68086654

>>68086220
You really gonna try to tell me those clips of her being a stuck-up bitch are fabrications? Those moments happened, anon.

>> No.68086723

>>68080741
Bruh who cares birthday streams aren't important unless said birthday streams are in 3D. It's how JP did it? Don't like it? Kiss my ass.

>> No.68086732

>>68086639
Anon, there are too many ENs now for that mindset to be feasible, and its only gonna get harder to avoid that stuff here on out

>> No.68086769

>>68080741
>it's based when meme shark overlaps advent anniversary and irys's outfit

>> No.68086889

>>68080741
Boohoo the wuffians have their little feefees hurtin' waaaah waaaah
Fuck off already, I thought chumbuds were horrible but guess I was wrong.

>> No.68086890

>>68080741
Funny you are the first to mention this , If it was Gura there would be 20 threads already

>> No.68086906

>>68086654
hey dude I have a bridge to sell you

>> No.68086928

>>68086732
Why can't people just stream earlier in the day? Shiori did it yesterday and it worked out very well for her.

>> No.68086958

>>68086732
birthdays are once a year anon, it's very easily feasible and it's not as if kronii is one of those who will die if she doesn't stream everyday like koyori.

>> No.68087031

>>68086890
because no one actually watches kronii anymore since she become used goods

>> No.68087109

Holy shit you ruffians like to bitch about everything.

>> No.68087120

>>68080741
I doubt she even knows Fuwamoco are 2 people.

>> No.68087128

>>68084240
Of course nobody in Advent will get between her and her kronies, nobody in Advent has a dick

>> No.68087233

>>68086732
Somehow JPs can do it back when they were in just like the 40s range. Well, except Rushia who would sometimes "forget" or "not notice" apparently unless fandeads make a fuss.

>> No.68087570

>>68086958
>>68087233
the "rule change" for things related to this was made for a reason. also, I doubt their audience overlaps too much at at this point everyone knows those who really care simply will dual watch the two. the new standard makes sense, and there is no way its any sort of "slight" or anything

>> No.68087689

>>68086769
someone make that lord of the rings meme of kronii being manipulated but with gura instead of mori

>> No.68087781

I literally don't get the appeal of Kroni. She sounds like a bitter drunk lesbian all of the time. Like she actively hates her job.

>> No.68087855

>>68080741
Also, only EN to stream over Nerissa's bday.

>> No.68087882

>>68087781
Hang out with a lot of bitter drunken lesbians that actively hate their jobs anon?

>> No.68087919

>>68080741
kronii went full anti-idol menhera meltdown on her fans before, so she probably hates that the new saving grace of EN are huge idol weebs, while she's basically forgotten.

>> No.68087996

>>68087882
Yes, actually. Although if I'm being fair, bitter lesbian is redundant.

>> No.68088078

>>68087781
She doesn't hate her job, but the drunk bitter lesbian part is partially true.

>> No.68088164

>>68087781
She sounds like Artemis of the blue

>> No.68088216

>>68086889
>t. chumbud

>> No.68088236

With this much shit being pulled out of your asses how the fuck do you faggots still have a functional anus?

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>>68087919

>> No.68088698

who gives a shit

>> No.68088742

>>68080741
She doesn't give a shit about moral obligation bs and that's likely one of the reasons why Gura likes her the most of all EN. Bitch has a spine
t. chum

>> No.68088765

>>68087919
>Hes never watched any 3-D live Kronii Idol anything stream

>> No.68088811

Honestly Kronii is just lonely and horny and can't trust the groups surrounding her possibly due to too many betrayals growing up. When she went to JP her attitude improved immensely.
She is also a horrible liar /actress so a secret relationship where I dick her 24/7 and make her happy is hard to hide.
What do?

>> No.68088818

>>68080741
She heard they disrespected the homos.

>> No.68089016

>>68083971
what's wrong with that?

>> No.68089083

kronii is boring so who cares? no one watched her anyways.

>> No.68089134

>>68087919
idol "culture" is garbage

>> No.68089160

>>68086890
Gura actually has a big enough audience and enough appeal that it would actually noticeably harm viewership if she overlapped the stream. Kronii is barely relevant and most anons who aren't sisters, cuckronies or spineless unityfags have given up expecting professional courtesy from her.

The silence of the "Kronii is better now" shills ITT is deafening. All this proves is that she's still the same lazy and bitter "idol culture" hating cunt she always was. Sad, but hardly surprising.

>> No.68089358

>>68089134
Kronii hates the idol cuture, but she likes the idol bu$iness

>> No.68089690

when FWMC "disrespect" kronii on one of her special occasions remember this day because you just know Fuwawa will not forget this and is probably plotting revenge as we speak.

>> No.68089750

I fully expect that if Vshojo ever poaches anyone from HoloEN it will be Kronii. She does not give the vibes of someone who likes hololive content very much.

>> No.68089868

>>68089750
she doesn't give off vibes of liking anything very much, herself included

>> No.68089870

>>68089690
I don't think Fuwamoco will ever do that. They are very pro-unity when it comes to the girls. But yes, I'm sure behind the scenes Fuwawa has bitched about it to Mococo. I can see Biboo and Fuwamoco feeling a certain kind of way about Gura and Kronii.

>> No.68089966

>>68089868
Well she did really like Vesper. At least initially. I think she's a girl who prefers the company of men. Her tempus collabs felt like a different side of her.

>> No.68090025

>>68080741
She was literally making fun of them being seiso when she was with IRys during the Mario Kart cup stream

>> No.68090078

>>68089966
kek another faggot fell for my
>she never laughed this hard with the girls
>>68090025
you got a timestamp for that?

>> No.68090460

>>68089966
>hanging out with the other sex/other groups of people makes people act different.
huh, who knew? Plus, lets be real here, anyone who actually watches Kronii knows she can dig going "bro mode" for a bit

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>>68090078
>she never laughed this hard with the girls
Looks like you mixed up your info, it was Altare that got that moniker. Meanwhile Vesper is the person Kronii has "warmed up" the fastest and reaching out, like in just under 2 months, when if you have actually watched Kronii you'd know she takes a long ass time to get along with others and often requires the other party to initiate. Case in point, Advent is in 6 months now and she hasn't talked with them that's not just her being roped in a group collab.

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>>68083782
>Nerissa has an accent

>> No.68090665

>>68083782
she could try to be a good senpai, Myth gave her a warm welcome

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OP wishes his mother would at least pay attention to him instead of tuning him out when she's getting done by Bubba from the bar every other night.

>> No.68090775

>>68088309
Why is she so angry here?

>> No.68090819

HOLO VS HOLO
must be a grim day for niji organs

>> No.68090829

>>68089870
im new to all this. why gura?

>> No.68090850

>>68090025
The funny thing is that Fuwawa is 100 times more based and degen than Kronii--but because Kronii is such a bitch she'll never actually know. Kronii was traumatized by school days--which Fuwamoco watch as an annual tradition. Fuwamoco act professional, but they are far from seiso.

>> No.68090964

>>68090850
what? Traumatized? Dude, she regularly reads stuff like that. The whole Metamorphosis joke she make to Irys JUST happened

>> No.68090967

>>68090829
Fuwamoco would probably take a dim view of Gura's work ethic. With Biboo Gura has actively been hazing her for 6 months with stream overlaps and ignoring her in collabs. At some point I feel like Biboo is going to get the hint that ol sharky doesn't want the rock running off with her chumbuds.

>> No.68090990

>>68090633
>Altare
of course faggots with bring him up kek
>you have actually watched Kronii
said the faggot who didn't watch a single collab stream out of a hundred which she has a fucking playlist for
guess you still seething about the fact that Kronii didn't give a single fuck when your 2 homos got the boot

>> No.68091050

>>68090964
I doubt Kronii has actually read Metamorphisis. She just knows it from the meme. Just like school days actually. She's very surface level with stuff.

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>>68090990
Nah I hate those fags too, im just not gonna be like who'll just memory hole it and rewrite history that Kronii never cared about them at all or that its all Mori's fault she collabed with them.

>> No.68091150

>>68090829
did you miss all the
>GURA TOTALLY HATE BIBOO
threads catalogniggers made a couple of days ago? they won't miss a single chance to do holo vs holo

>> No.68091220

>>68091151
This was the moment she decided cocks > her fans. I can't believe there are still Kronies that still like her parasocially.

>> No.68091235

>>68091050
No, she chatted about it a bunch during a members stream not too long ago, she EASILY reads a LOT really messed up stuff.

>> No.68091242

>>68091150
>im new to all this

>> No.68091243

>>68091151
>I hate those fags too
sure sis

>> No.68091426

>>68090633
>bring up Vesper in 2024
this is the only way sisters can make their absolute failure relevant. by keep bringing up a literal corpse at any moment possible

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>>68091243
Yeah cause im not a Kronie anymore.

>> No.68091533

>>68090078
Sorry, took me a bit to find the exact moment again
https://youtu.be/cwPFk_INNl8?t=2914
Listen until 49:20

>> No.68091565

>>68091533
Why is she such a bitch

>> No.68091672

>>68091533
What a fucking bitch i hope she spills coffee on herself

>> No.68091680

>>68091533
What lmao? Its because Irys normally has all of her "replacement seiso" swear words, and that stream she WAS swearing a lot. The whole mood of the stream was making fun of Irys Suddenly swearing every 5 sentences

>> No.68091724

>>68090665
>Mori
Leeches off her even to this day
>Ame
LOL
>Ina
Best we got were some puns
>Kiara
Overbearing
>Gura
Honestly the only one who is actually a friend of Kronii

>> No.68091730

>>68091565
who really knows?

>> No.68091760

>>68091533
What was your score on the English listening test?

>> No.68091778

>>68091680
nuh uh

>> No.68091860

>>68091565
>>68091672
>>68091730
Seriously? We dragging Irys into this Schizofest fest now?

>> No.68091901

>>68091533
>zero FWMC mention
should have stick with the
>they totally hate each other

>> No.68091945

Most of EN 1/2 have just shown to be terrible senpais to Advent, like Cali is probably the only EN who has shown at least some compassion towards them. Kiara at least does stuff with Nerisa too, but Ame/Gura/Ina haven't cared and neither has literally anyone in Council lmao

>> No.68092029

>>68091860
I don't remember saying anything negative about IRys...

>> No.68092038

>>68091945
theres too many fucking people, they dont NEED or likely even WANT EVERY single senpai to descend upon them ASAP. Half of EN is plenty

>> No.68092081

>>68091680
If they actually watched kronii they'd realize she constantly filters herself 24/7 because doesn't like swearing on stream

>> No.68092087

>>68091945
In Gura and Ame’s defense they are shy as fuck. Ame’s even mentioned how she has trouble communicating with her own family.

>> No.68092092

>>68091945
did you miss all the collab Promise have done with Advent? should i link all of them for you? Fauna just did one today

>> No.68092111

>>68092038
JP, which literally has triple the amount of gens, has no problem respecting the senpai tradition. "Oh but EN isin't JP", well maybe they should've thought of that before applying to join a Jap company

>> No.68092194

>>68092087
I hate this excuse so much "uwu they just have social anxiety and are shy." So does plenty of people who work in retail, yet that doesn't stop them from interacting with customers and their coworkers.

>> No.68092197

i will get this Kronii anti thread to bump limit. this is what the whore deserves

>> No.68092212

>>68092087
meh
I've seen so many fucking people use that "I'm shy" excuse in real life for being selfish and fucking off to do their own thing

>> No.68092257 [DELETED] 

>>68092111
Who the fuck is gonna think about that when applying to a vtuber company? They just wanna play games and dance.

>> No.68092255

>>68092081
not 24/7, she seems to go through moods with it. but she DOES like having control over her swearing yes.
>>68092194
what does that have to do what I said?
>>68092029
Shes been dragged into this with that. Irys is complicit if shes making the jokes with Kro

>> No.68092461

>>68092257
>They just wanna play games and dance
Clearly not when most of EN hardly streams anymore, and they don't even do idol stuff to make up for it. Might as well just be part-time workers at this point

>> No.68092541

>>68092255
You literally said that the reason why people like Ame or Ina don't communicate with their coworkers is because "they're shy" or whatever, when that is such a retarded excuse cope like >>68092212 said

>> No.68092545

>>68080741
Based, Fuwamoco are shit

>> No.68092547

>>68092038
>theres too many fucking people
There's literally only 10 of them.

>> No.68092648
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It's hilarious how Kronies only defense is just to insult the people and insist their interpretation of Kronii is what she really is, meanwhile there's various receipts and actions she's done to show otherwise.
>Kronii also laughs and acts wild with the girls
No one can link to streams or even clips of an example.
>Kronii only did it because Mori dragged her along
Kronii filling in for Axel in a Tempus 1 collab, also of course the whole 1 on 1 collab with Vesper
>Kronii was never actually friends with them
Guess she lied about that tweet then about how we're here to make friends?

Kronies are the fanbase ive found that like to blame everyone else for Kronii's problems instead of letting her take responsibility for her own actions and choices.

>> No.68092664

>>68092547
they also have to balance collabing with EACHOTHER, which takes priority as they are genmates. Plus ID can can come into play is seen with Biboo and Kaela. FUWAMOCO also has a lot of desires to connect with JP too. Like, they arent exactly hurting with the welcome here.

>> No.68092721

>>68092648
Its because most of Kronii's actual fans left when she started homocollabing and shitting on her fans

>> No.68092756

>>68092648
>Kronii also laughs and acts wild with the girls
See
>>68091533

>> No.68092780

>>68090819
Haha their big ff14 collab that includes the soon to graduate racist is being btfo by everyone in holoen including kronii and the wigger

>> No.68092786

>>68092664
Gen unity is a meme that will die out after their 1st year like it does with literally every other gen

>> No.68092805

>>68089750
>I fully expect that if Vshojo ever poaches anyone from HoloEN it will be Kronii. She does not give the vibes of someone who likes hololive content very much.
Cover gave her a model with huge boobs and a stripper outfit which Kronii had to use on a YouTube channel so they did give her a miserable experience. The hololive talents that get stuck with coomerbait models do seem to burn out quicker. EN did say there were optimistic for 2024 after that December meeting so they might have worked out some type of deal with management.

>> No.68092919

>>68092805
Holy shit you figured out why gura was burned out… it was because her model is coomer bait!

>> No.68092945

>>68092805
Having a coomer model literally only matters if the person wants to play it up, which Kronii obviously didn't, so it shouldn't even matter considering she hides her tits every stream

>> No.68092965

>>68091533
Holy shit based as fuck

>> No.68093022

>>68092541
I mean it’s a valid reason to not wanna collaborate with someone. There’s a huge difference between Kiara and Gura’s collab choices

>> No.68093268

>>68092786
Grats we've "somehow" gotten FURTHER from the point

>> No.68093293

Because it’s ingrained in every korean’s brain to be a snarky asshole

>> No.68093365

>>68080741
She always overlaps somebodies Bday or anniversary if she can

>> No.68093384

>>68093293
How much you wanna bet Kronii is one of those crazy S Korean feminists

>> No.68093393

>>68093293
Parasite was a documentary

>> No.68093448

>>68093384
I'd be really shocked if she wasn't

>> No.68093468

>>68093384
Maybe she started that way but then she got clockbroken by big unicorn dick

>> No.68093531

>>68093384
who the fuck even KNOWS? what a random fucking tangent.

>> No.68093609

Aliaga Ayin is watching

>> No.68093910

>>68093531
It wouldn’t be surprising if she was

>> No.68093974

>>68080741
oh look it's the scheduled kronii hate thread
tired of the selen/pomu threads?

>> No.68094034

>>68092805
not another "Kronii hate her model" post

>> No.68094142

>>68080741
This makes me like Kronii more, not less. Fuck off, Teletubbie cancer.

>> No.68094150

>>68094034
Except she literally does, and the only reason why she hasn't changed it like Irys or made major alterations is because she'd get shit from the JP side for daring to go against what such a legendary designer made for her. Fucking ungrateful bitch

>> No.68094227

>>68094142
Post tits

>> No.68094304

>>68094150
>Except she literally does
in your head lol
>she hasn't changed it like Irys or made major alterations is because she'd get shit from the JP side for daring to go against what such a legendary designer
kek. redjuice is not a good artist then, oh and doing the
>Kronii secretly hate Wada
is the peak of stupidity

>> No.68094350

>>68094150
Source: i saw it in my dream

>> No.68094402

>>68094150
>She totally hates her design because... BECAUSE SHE DOES OK!?

>> No.68094423

>>68093910
okay sure, just because you feel like it or whatever. this isnt even a crazy narrative anymore, its just some random "I saw it...in a dream..." situation

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Kronii LOVES her model.

>> No.68094474

>>68092087
>shy with own family
To be fair she doesn't have a functioning one

>> No.68094565

>>68094402
She literally goes every stream hiding her tits, and lets not forget the cringe ringfit stream

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>>68094469
She would NEVER allow herself to be sexualized!

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>>68094580
If she had control over the camera during 3d events she wouldn't let you see below the neck.

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>Kronii hates her model!

>> No.68094666

>>68094580
Oh yeah cause she definitely has the choice and all the freedom to limit how her 3d model looks

>> No.68094712

>>68094658
You do know its their managers who like/retweet art...right anon?

>> No.68094782

>>68093531
anon this is 4chan where every woman that doesn't polish their cock every five minutes is a man hating feminist

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>> No.68094824

>>68080741
Was I supposed to hate her for that? If anything, I'm thanking her for offering another stream option besides two adult women who act like kids and bark because their fans are fucking weirdos

>> No.68094837

>>68094712
Now THIS is a new type of retardation

>> No.68094841

Where did this rrat that Kronii hates her model even come from lol, just because she doesn't whore herself out on stream?

>> No.68094870

>>68088765
>Believing in Kronii

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>>68094620
Full Camera control BTW

>> No.68094898

>>68094841
It came from people watching her streams.

>> No.68094904

>>68094712
???

>> No.68094915

>>68094841
from me. back when Kronii collabed with male i used to spam her thread with all sort of rrats

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>>68094666
it was voluntary twerking anon, she hyped it up and delivered. shes got no problem with it

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68094963

>>68094841
>vtuber whores her model on stream
>"fuck off e-thot"
>vtuber doesn't whore her model on stream
>"she must be aman-hating feminist"

>> No.68095013

>>68094712
Yes, that explains the times Holo's have accidentally interacted with something holo on their roommate accounts

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68095063

>>68094841
unicorns hate the fact she has a better model than their oshi and invented the rumour out of jealousy

>> No.68095076

>>68094963
More like
>Vtuber whores her model on stream
>"Based if its a Holo girl"
Vtuber who doesn't whore her model on stream
>"Prudish bitch aka someone like Ina or Suisei"

>> No.68095090

>>68094963
pretty much. like, if she ACTUALLY was some sort of prude about it why would she ever even use the art in thumbails, or membership streams, or make jokes about the ribbon, or any of that. she would simply hate and ignore it

>> No.68095115

>>68094963
>vtuber hides her model every chance she gets
>"wow she must love her model!"

>> No.68095125

>>68095063
Fauna even talked about how she had monetization problems because of her tits being on stream. Makes sense Kronii would try to avoid having to deal with that as much as possible.

>> No.68095132

>>68083782
>none of this is bad even though it's literally shitting in her own bed

>> No.68095146

>>68082277
Die nijinig

>> No.68095198

>>68095090
>She uses her art in thumbnails, therefore she doesn't hate her model
Wow this is some pure timecuck copium

>> No.68095234

Kronii is a discount Nerissa, at any rate, is outclassed by the raven, and won't crap on her fans. Nerissa is LITERALLY Kronii if Kronii didn't have mental illnesses.

>> No.68095271

>>68090819
A decent chunk of the EN fanbases only like their oshi and hate the rest of Hololive, pretty sad rbh.

>> No.68095302

>>68095198
yeah thats not what I said at all. If she ACTUALLY hated it, she would NEVER display and advertise it. she DOES have is on screen and sure, while she doesnt flaunt it, doesnt me she never has her body on. and IN ADDITION she shares art with her boobs on display. if she ACTUALLY hated it, WHY would she do that? reading comprehension please

>> No.68095317

>>68095234
Didn't Nerissa piss off one of her biggest paypigs who would routinely drop $500 akas a stream because she made fun of him sending blank supas so he quit?

>> No.68095398

>>68095234
This is the truth, and is what has been said ever since Nerissa debuted. Literally just a better version of Kronii who doesn't fuckin despite how her model looks and embraces her fans along with actually having professional experience VA'ing kek

>> No.68095435

>>68095302
You fucking dumbass she HAS to use it.

>> No.68095438

>>68095302
Seething timecuck coping about how Kronii hates not only HERSELF, but her fans TOO

>> No.68095457

>>68095234
>Kronii is a discount Nerissa
to quote my favorite thread /#/:
>anyone that thinks Nerissa is a Kronii replacement has never watched Kronii or Nerissa, which I suppose is half this thread

>> No.68095481

>>68095234
Nerissa is bland as hell and despite her epithet can‘t even sing

>> No.68095490

ITT: cataloguefags acting like they have ever watched Kronii or Nerissa

>> No.68095552

>>68091945
EN hasn't exactly been super active recently. A lot of them have had real life issues: moving, surgeries, feeling burned out. But most of them have collabed with each other. Bae and Fauna literally just played LC with Bijou.

>> No.68095603

>>68095435
>>68095438
what? no, shes not FORCED to display her tits at all times. Look, the simplest point its, if she truly hated her model, wouldn't she....consistently try to avoid anything that sexualizes it?

>> No.68095611

>>68095481
Well even if you don’t watch nerissa you have to admit she has a pretty good singing voice. Way better than other members

>> No.68095692 [DELETED] 

>>68095603
What? Is this about her model or her boobs? Was this not about her model?

>> No.68095807

>>68095692
Yes her model has boobs, they are quite literally connected

>> No.68095814

>>68082277
is that the game made by the creators of new vegas

>> No.68095823

>>68080741
Unicorns already won

>> No.68095850

>>68095814
no its the good one

>> No.68095978

>>68095823
Apparently, considering that she's spent the past 1+ now trying to get those fans back after the Altaire shitshow and how she contradicted herself in the followup member stream

>> No.68095986

>>68095814
Thankfully no

>> No.68096099

>>68091945
Mori just wants to leech of them and give them terrible advice.
Remember management banned her from interacting with them during their training so she couldn't ruin them like she did with Kronii.

>> No.68096153

>>68096099
Fuwamoco actively sought her out

>> No.68096207

>>68096099
> Mori just wants to leech of them and give them terrible advice.
…shouldn’t it be the other way around..?

>> No.68096296

>>68096099
Uh Mori is the last Holo EN member that would need to leech lol, she is by far the most consistent and largest member based on average stream time and viewership combined

>> No.68096321

>>68092721
>actual fans
How deluded are you?

>> No.68096574

>>68096296
>>68096207
Lowest numbers.
Even Ironmouse is beating her.

>> No.68096605

>>68096321
What?

>> No.68096615

>>68095552
What the F are you talking about? Biboo shows up in Council stuff fairly routinely, and Nerissa too, on occasion.

The members of Advent keeping mostly to themselves are likely doing that on their own initiative, not because the others aren't having them.

>> No.68096634

>>68096321
Not as deluded as you apparently. Her numbers directly reflect that people left en mass after her incident, and only within the past year has she slowly been gaining and maintaining respectable numbers. But even then, she's still the runt of Council at this point comparable to Bae who is also a runt for the same reasons. Mumei/Fauna/Irys are at the top of gen 2 for a reason

>> No.68096679

>>68096574
Who cares about Ironlung lol, plus her numbers are massively exaggerated due to all the shitty subathons and whatever else she does regularly

>> No.68096719

>>68096605
Fans are the people who have always supported her. She only exposed the delusional schizos and filtered them from her fanbase.

>> No.68096774

>>68096634
They were never fans. Just schizo losers that got exposed and filtered.

>> No.68096904

>>68096719
>>68096774
yeah, the level of weirdos in her fanbase DRASTICALLY decreased. some of them were seriously unhinged

>> No.68097134

>>68080741
She's autistic.
But not like the mild kind that literally everyone who becomes a streamer has. She's borderline low-functioning.
I don't think she probably even knows what anyone else in the company is doing unless they're collabing with her.

>> No.68097215

>>68096719
>>68096774
>>68096904
Timecucks coping about how their oshi literally fell from grace into becoming the runt of her gen lmao

>> No.68097308

>>68097215
why the fuck would I care? Why is this SO dramatic?
>Fell from grace...
>The RUNT of Promise....
like, Christ, she streams for hours to thousands of viewers, she makes plenty of money, where is this struggling travesty people like you apparently see?

>> No.68097469

>>68097308
Because people are acting like she did a good thing by "shaving off le heckin toxic viewers", but then at the same time act like her numbers never changed when thats not true

>> No.68097679

>>68097469
Yes, culling people like that gabe guy was genuinely a good thing. Yes, numbers went down, the argument is that the people that left, yes LEFT, they are being recognized as going away, dont matter. that things are better off without them and that it doesnt hurt her, nor does she care, being down a little when shes still doing VERY well for a youtuber

>> No.68097772

>>68096615
Did you mean to quote someone else?

>> No.68097774

>>68097679
>She doesn't care
Well clearly she does if she stopped collabing with men nearly as much, and is trying to get back that same audience of "toxic fans" lmao

>> No.68097843

Ah I see.
You're not a real fan unless you're ok with your oshi betraying you.

>> No.68097855

>>68097774
because her friends graduated fucking retard. He never cared about the rest of the bunch.

>> No.68097879

>>68097774
the ones she was collabing with LITERALLY aren't an option anymore, no shit shes not collabing with them.
>>68097843
or, now this is a bit tricky to understand, those fans dont CARE

>> No.68097882

>>68097469
But it barely changed though? What's the problem?

>> No.68097892

>>68097843
she never betrayed me.

>> No.68097912

>>68080741
KRONII BASED. WHO CARES ABOUT OTHER VTUBER? WHEN YOU CAN LITERALLY GET REPLACE BY THE CORP. KEEP IT UP KRONII AND DRY ALL YOUR GACHIS

>> No.68097952

>>68096774
this. Let's face it, the unicorn part of the fanbse is also the creepiest and most annoying; things are much better without them and I hope they don't come back

>> No.68098057

>>68083782
So Kronii has the right to act like a cunt, amirite?

>> No.68098334

>>68098057
take your meds

>> No.68098520

>>68098057
no

>> No.68098557

>>68097843
She didn't betray me? Believing this is why you're a schizo. I'm listening to her stream right now and I'm loving it. Nothing has changed.

>> No.68098677

>>68091945
Mumei really likes them, but she's busy and Bae is pure unity and is great senpai to them.

>> No.68098695

>>68098334
You literally said that Kronii hates anime girl voice and idol culture and yet she joined fucking Hololive but somehow that's a good thing according to you. I don't know for you but it's not a good behavior when you are in Hololive

>> No.68098893

>>68098695
>Kronii hates anime girl voice
Is probably the stupidest take I've ever heard.

>> No.68098901

You all need women here, this is fucking pathetic.

>> No.68099024

>>68097952
Say goodbye to Hololive's relevancy at that point then, Nijifag

>> No.68099034

>>68098901
Yet you’re here

>> No.68099046

>>68091945
At least Kronii has also collabed with Shiori, Biboo, and Nerrisa. wait, what was the point of this again?

>> No.68099069

>>68098695
Don't even try arguing with her fans here, they are so deluded and full of cope that on one hand she's this but then she's also not this at the same time or whatever.

>> No.68099158

>>68099069
>yeah I dont really mind what Kronii does so much. shes prob just a normal, average human being whos pretty chill
>DELUDED, FULL OF COPE!!!!!

>> No.68099306

>>68091945
I'll take threadreader for 500

>> No.68099317

Wuffians being angry becuz Kronii happened to stream on a normal day. Kill yourselves. Birthday streams are not important anymore and so everyone is allowed to overlap it and just like the wuffians that you are, your little pipsqueak barks are all that you have. Deal with it.

>> No.68099398

>>68097879
nta but
>the ones she was collabing with LITERALLY aren't an option anymore, no shit shes not collabing with them.
this is why she hasn't and won't get better, they left of their own accord not because of anything Kronii did, if she had her way the collabs would continue and why she still keeps those mods and week long subscription for chat.

>> No.68099424

>>68099158
Making up boogiemen in your schizo head only seeks to further your own delusion, you cuck. The fact that you people are still seething to this day about her drama from over a year ago, and can't let it go, shows that it obviously did affect her

>> No.68099491

>>68099317
>Birthday streams are not important anymore
Look man I know Kronii's numbers are still shit, but lying is just low. Birthdays are literally the biggest days for Holo members because they release merch/get high ccv/get a ton of supas.

>> No.68099506

>>68099424
what? Oh no no, Im seething about people being insane on the internet. if not here, then elsewhere. this is just easy to argue against because of how unhinged it is

>> No.68099513

>>68099317
>The very 1st birthday stream of a new talent isn't important
fuck off dumbass

>> No.68099546

>>68080741
She's korean

>> No.68099555

>>68099398
The fact that Kronii has literal noname mods who are obviously just outside friends, has already rubbed me the wrong way. Especially with how cringe they are and how its like reading a discord server chat when they speak

>> No.68099620

>>68099513
Yes. You'd bitch later if Bijou had a birthday and then Gura started streaming on that day... Fuck off bitch don't give me that crap.
>>68099491
Yes it is, but it's not important for anyone to halt their streams for a fucking birthday stream. That's what I mean.

>> No.68099725

>>68099398
>get better
again, the people watching her dont CARE. we dont see her a "sick" or whatever. honest to god literally dont care

>> No.68099793

>>68099620
Kronii is a bitch who literally overlapped one of her kohai's most important stream thus far, and you people are trying to defend her lmao

>> No.68099845

>>68099725
How do you know that, because of the mods they could never express it, I remember SorenEra hated it (does he still watch her).

>> No.68099884

>>68099398
She literally had their names banned in chat. She was done with them after their May collaboration.

>> No.68099894

>>68099845
because they are still watching

>> No.68099927

>>68099793
So what? Your dogs are special to you but they're not to me. Stop forcing your bullshit on other fanbases just because their oshi wants to stream on that day.
>SHE'S OVERLAPPING DOES SHE HATE THEM?!
Literal cancer.

>> No.68099938

>>68099845
Yes and he's one of her favorite kronies.

>> No.68099970

I like how you never see Mumei or Irys' fans chimp out like Kronii or Fauna's fans do whenever people bring up the dumb shit they did which caused them to lose fans. Its almost like these people are just coping hard about a mistake their oshi did and can't accept reality over it

>> No.68099981

>>68099046
She collabed with all of Advent, technically.

>> No.68100050

>>68099793
Other people have preferences. You know that right?

>> No.68100064

>>68099981
oh yeah, among us. true. barely counts still, but true

>> No.68100067

>>68099927
So Kronii doesn't actually care about her kohai's then? Gotcha, just solidifies what has already been said about how Council doesn't give a fuck about Advent

>> No.68100154

>>68100067
Oh wow I didn't know I was talking to an actual retard.

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>>68098695
idol culture is irredeemable garbage. It takes emphasis away from music and talent and puts it into a weirdo pseudo-romantic relationship between the girl and the fans.

As for anime voices, I put up with them in Anime; but I don't enjoy them.

>> No.68100282

>>68100067
Did fuwamoco cared about the homos no? Then kronii deserves to stream over them as much as she likes. Ruffians are the new chumbuds. Get fucked retard

>> No.68100302

>>68100067
What does overlap have to do with hating her kohai?

>> No.68100377

>>68080741
QUEEN

She is fighting fuwas abuse over mocco.

>> No.68101056

>>68080741
>caring about your fans first and foremost
based

>> No.68101505

>>68100154
>>68100282
>>68100302
>>68100377
>>68101056
Kronii's tranny mods out in the wild apparently

>> No.68102139

>>68080741
Who cares? Fwmc are no special just like the others

>> No.68102204 [DELETED] 

>>68082277
Yea no shit. I bet cookieswirls streaming is more interesting than those two retards

>> No.68102233

>>68101505
Ran out of things to say? Good lol

>> No.68102293

>>68082277
Yea no shit. I bet cookieswirlc streaming is more interesting than those two retards

>> No.68102484

>>68083782
Kronii has no purpose anymore in hololive. No idol life and hate men secretly and should be graduated soon

>> No.68102548

>>68080741
>Ended stream before Mococo
KWAB

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68103442

>>68102484
Don't cry

>> No.68103674

>>68100165
>I put up with them in Anime; but I don't enjoy them

So you hate voice acting and would prefer if people just spoke like their usual selves, as characters? Wow, what a giga retard holy shit.
I knew this board has some ironic weebs floating around but this is some next level normalfag idiocy.

Also, half of what you said about Kronii is a lie because she is a VA herself.

>> No.68104369

>>68089750
Kronii would fucking nose dive off a cliff without her Fate/Go avatar and hololive buff. I half want to seriously see her try and leave just to witness the trainwreck.

>> No.68104853

>>68099938
Oh, she plays favorites with her fans? That's really shining her in a flattering light, great job anon

>> No.68104868

>>68104369
2 more weeks sis

>> No.68105031

>>68086906
You’re trying to pawn it off after Kronii fleeced you?

>> No.68105088

>>68089690
I unironically like Fuwawa’s nasty side

>> No.68105138

>>68090967
Biboo isn’t stupid, she’s figured that out for a while.

>> No.68105207

>>68091724
>her only friend is the one she called a whore when her mute button was not pressed

>> No.68105243

>>68105138
>BIBOO HATES GURA
sis you were a couple of days late

>> No.68105245

>>68098677
>Mumei
>busy
>likes them
Lol

>> No.68105386

>>68099970
IRyS is a good dork and a hard worker. Mumei just doesn’t do anything remarkable besides feigning problems to justify low output and that’s both safe and “endearing”. Her fans are also obnoxious Twitterfags who avatarfag and spam Moom Moom Moom at everything vaguely resembling owls or history.

>> No.68105445

>>68105243
They had a good fifteen seconds of interaction before Gura took off, yes. Clearly they’re rubbing clams.

>> No.68105490

>>68105207
Source?

>> No.68105849

>>68083782
This is what a true anti looks like. Other shitposters pale in comparison. Your willingness to spread harmful and baseless accusations towards a random internet streamer is unmatched. Bonus points for the gaslighting at the end of your post.

>> No.68105923

>>68105849
Nothing he said was fake, you can’t refute anything because it’s not even an accusation rather a description of events.

>> No.68106036

>>68105490
https://www.youtube.com/live/RE3AU0oSEHc?si=iqVzWzj35lTwYvgm
Timestamp at 2:26:18

>> No.68106072

>>68105923
actually everything he said was false and spoken in the tone of a lying faggot and you cant refute it because what I said is not an accusation rather a correct statement.
do you see how retarded you sound[spoiler/]

>> No.68106102

>>68080741
This is fine. Everyone should so stream when they want to regardless of what special event is going on. Besides, if any Kronie really wanted to tune into FWMC they would just open their stream up too.

>> No.68106158

>>68106072
The veracity of most of that is certainly debatable, but are you really gonna try to tell us Kronii is a fan of idol culture and the idol-types in Hololive?

>> No.68106212

>>68106072
You are strawmanning and therefore you have not produced any argument worth its weight and are therefore a demagogue sycophant. There’s your refutation. And you still haven’t said anything to prove his statements describing Kronii’s behavior are false.

>> No.68106543

>>68099317
Is that why Kaela and Bijou, Holos who are known for streaming for quite a lengthy time, decide to end their stream exactly when it starts AND raid their stream?

>> No.68106826

>>68080741
I don't see the problem, is not like you don't have a choice to watch whoever you want.

>> No.68106834
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68106834

>>68091426
Kronii was interested in Vesper, whether it was just for friendship or for romance is up for debate, but you can't deny she was going for him. Kronies got lucky that Vesper turned out to be a manchild who would fight with management and ghost people when he doesn't get what he wants. Here's the stuff that Kronii did that were unique or unusual for her:
>Kronii got management involved to make a statement to back up her decision, which is the first for HoloEN
>Kronii did a 1 on 1 collab with Vesper that she's not done for any of the other homos
>Kronii who rarely if ever joins in on other people's streams unless she gives a heads up beforehand, easily joined the Tempus RP collab to play as Axel with no notice
>Kronii who usually will take weeks or even months to collab with someone she recently has a collab with unless its some sponsorship/mandated stream, was able to easily include a collab that has Vesper
>Kronii who is usually reserved and chill, so easily laughs or assertive when its in a collab with him
>Kronii admonishes people for shipping her with Altare but doesn't say anything about people shipping her with Vesper
>Kronii expressed wanting to make new friends but hasn't made any effort to even acknowledge Tempus 2, especially Flayon which she could have done a VA collab
If he didn't fuck up so badly they would have been pretty close and easily could have turned into a unit. You can look up the archives of /infinity/ to see the kind of activity Kronii had months prior to Tempus and see how she drastically changed after the first collab with them.

>> No.68107491

>>68083782
Still likes anya and kaela

>> No.68108497

>>68106543
It was Biboos will, others gave in to her

>> No.68109124

>>68080741
Based, fuck those bitches.

>> No.68110477

Let me get this straight. People around here hate Kronii because she collabed with whoever she wanted instead of enabling incels? Lol, lmao even.

>> No.68110673

>>68110477
Holy newfagtroon...

>> No.68111342

>>68110477
That's literally it, unicorns are pathetic manbabies

>> No.68111482

>>68110477
somebody post the unarchived members stream underwear manifesto for all these
newfaggots

>> No.68111875

>Mad cuz streamer do their job
I don't have the energy for this

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68112229

>>68110477
No people hate Kronii because of this.

>> No.68112357

>>68101505
I'm a mod now? Good that means I'm closer to fucking kronii than you ever will get closed to fucking the dogs.
Get T. Cuckian.

>> No.68112414

kronii is just kind of boring to watch, id rather watch JP streams where i only understand 50% of what is said

>> No.68112572

>>68083782
>Kronii has gone on multiple rants about how much she hates the anime girl voice
Link or fake

>> No.68112705

>>68112229
Maybe she just realized that most people who were whining about the male collab were just unicorns wanting to control who she interacts with, since no one bats an eye when it's with a female

>> No.68112849

>>68112705
Kinda sad that she put that effort for 2 retards that almost destroy their gen and posponed their 3d, oufits and opportunities

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68113019

>>68080741
let her sulk in peace anon, her nether regions are dust dry at this point

>> No.68113076

>>68112229
You have to realize that western women are overwhelmingly whores who love to demean, use, and belittle men. When you allow them this level of authority over your emotional state, they will make sure to take advantage. JP chicks know they have to play a role, maintain the illusion, and provide entertainment. Even when they exploit men via GFE, they try to keep the illusion going, and be professional about it. Western holes feel entitled to the money and support, and they absolutely despise the people that are subsidizing their existence. They'd like their fans to stay silent and invisible, and just keep forking over their cash without any input, qualifiers, or expectations.
You people fail to realize that most of these women are laughing at the men who shower them with money, behind closed doors. They are combative, adversarial, opportunistic, and solipsistic. Kronii undoubtedly got a huge high out of cucking her fans, and doubling down at that. She probably felt oh-so powerful and validated.

Finally, these women are obsessed with collabing with males, even if it's obvious to be a point of contention and loss of revenue, because these women are unattractive and never got the male attention and validation they wanted. So, with their perception of themselves warped, and with delusional ideation, they are now positively eager to be the "cool chick" that has male friends, who flirts with men that are popular (in the microcosm of Vtubing), and making other men jealous.
Attractive women who attract men in real life do not become vtubers, they either become fleshtubers or they never engage with the industry in the first place, because they never had any reason to, given that they have gotten everything they ever wanted in real life by simply looking pretty and asking for it.
Even the most notorious /here/ holes regularly drop the mask and indicate they abhor the culture, the fans, and the expectations placed upon them.


Take a step back and internalize that this is entertainment, not unlike greek hetairae, japanese geisha, chinese courtesans, british bards and wenches, et cetera. They are not axiomatically nice women that miraculously share your hobbies and naturally exude femininity and gentleness. It's a role. They are acting. It's an act.

>> No.68113078

>>68094841
She hides her boobs in stream-POV and when she got her new outfit which nerfs and hides her boobs she basically never use her vanilla again

>> No.68113119 [DELETED] 

>>68112229
thanks anon

Anyone that has that kind of contempt and hatred for their supporters does not deserve fans or any kind of admiration, even if she was just treating her “unicorns” like trash. Add the fact that she is lazy, apathetic, and a liar (do your reps.)

But if you are hellbent at being a Kronie because you get turned on by an oshi that sounds like they have a bigger adams apple than you, fortunately for you, no one can stop you from being a faggot.

>> No.68113134

>>68112229
But hasn't she been allways been that way. Reeling you in, then later smacking your shit for being halu and then laughing at you

>> No.68113214

>>68083782
Is that why she distanced herself from Mumei?

>> No.68113267

>>68106036
Based, Kronii doesn't take shit even from the biggest vtuber in the world.

>> No.68113270

Omg kronii thread

>> No.68113813
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>>68106036
isreal

>> No.68113992

>>68080741
She is based. I wish my oshi was more like her

>> No.68114047

>>68106036
>Live
>Can't time stamp properly
Phoneposters are a blight

>> No.68114193

>>68113214
nta but going by that logic she should hate gura and mumei because of the voice and bae for being more into idols than the rest of promise.
That being said, mumei wants and tries to approach to advent so...

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>>68114047
https://youtu.be/RE3AU0oSEHc?t=8772 I'll assist the phoneposter then

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>>68114347
was this b4 Kronii's own whore arc or after? would be hilarious if it was b4

>> No.68117437

"unfortunately idol culture is a thing"

>> No.68117783

it's funny seeing this thread blow up and realizing that the only relevance kronii has left in hololive is as a magnet for hate and controversy. people would forget she's even there without it. and i'm not saying she doesn't deserve a lot of it, she's fucking mental, but holy shit what a fall.

>> No.68117988

>>68090775
because she has to entertain her fans and she despises it

>> No.68118039

>>68112229

Thanks for the context, but I have trouble understanding some of it. Hoping you guys can provide some additional insight, please.

1. The imagine is impossible to make out, what was said in the tweet? (pretty sure those were Vesper's, right?)
2. What were the big reasons people were against the collabs in the first place? (that is - what was the jist of what people were saying in the community with their lengthy posts?)
3. It seems like the conclusion she came to during that unarchived stream (continue doing male collabs, albeit with conditions) and the statement she made after the break were not terribly different? More harsh and direct with putting her foot down sure, but seemingly the same end result? Maybe I am missing some additional context here?
4. Did she become hostile to those fans after the break?

No hate, just hoping to improve my understanding of things.

>> No.68118186

>>68095603
>the simplest point its, if she truly hated her model, wouldn't she....consistently try to avoid anything that sexualizes it?
Hololive talents can't do much about their 3D model unless they can get a redesign. IRyS got a fairly quick redesign because management believed it would improve merch sales but that is more questionable with Kronii. Cover might have reached a compromise only after the Advent debuts since there are more options for coomers and since a HoloEN talent leaving for VShojo would look bad for the company.

>> No.68118380

Can’t believe my cute clock wife could generate so much seething

>> No.68118387

>>68106036
I dont get it. She said Ore and then Gura bantered with it? What is the delusion

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