/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6775011
cost cutting

who ever is behind that bear can do a kitsune stare and is cute as fuck

>>6775035
This, brand power is big enough to afford it.

Hello is the frenchman here? What do you use for those vocaloid mixes again?

>>6775011
What you're telling me is the people who most know what they are doing have determined it doesn't matter

>>6775011
tl note: It was a stealth /yah/ thread

>>6775011
Cover small company. pls undastand.

>>6775011
It’s for the SOUL factor. The low-quality rigging is actually better. That’s why Gura is number 1. Because her rigging is shit

>>6775011
I don't think the rigger has the roommate freely available to nail down the specifics, so rigging involves enough guesswork and ambiguity.

I think you have it half right. keep in mind that hololive started out "relatively" small at some point, and did it back when there weren't many experienced riggers, and they ones that were experienced, despite being low quality, probably still charged a lot. As years go on and the riggers/tech gets better and better hololive will be kinda stuck in a place of having new gens with better rigging, which would affect older talents, or redoing all the older talents, which could be pretty expensive. In addition to this, changing up the rigging on someone can sometimes be negative, even if it's objectively higher quality, there's gonna be a period of adjustment after watching the same style of rigging over and over. I just don't think there's really any reason for them to improve the rigging, people are gonna anti hololive either way, and people who already watch them obviously don't care.

>>6775011
bearcunny is just a yuge tryhard
god bless

>>6775011
https://docs.live2d.com/cubism-editor-manual/updates4/?locale=en_us

More basic animations can also be a deliberate style choice.

>>6775011
I hate that Beatani has such a shit fanbase and that she leans into it, because she's genuinely a funny girl and has an amazing design and rig.

our daughter has soul

>>6775011
They go to whoever gives the best price, quality be dammed since personality is the bigger hook with regards to the talent.

>>6775243
Also sometimes they just hire people who shit out crap like Flare's original rigging.

No time to shipost, plenty of time to fuck around in a drawing game. no standards if not for double standards

>>6775011
>Do big companies purposely ask riggers to do sloppy live2D tracking for some reason?
>do big companies purposely ask riggers to do something that's not their job

tracking isn't rigging, you fucking retard, they're completely different. this is like blaming windows for your shitty dell computer. kill yourself, faggot.

>>6775011
have you never heard of capitalism? the money is made by cutting the spending as long as the product still somewhat holds together.
Paypigs still give cover thousands for the rhombus, so it was a good financial decision. Hell, they could probably save even more on it! Same goes for the rest.

>>6775011
>This isn't a stealth /yah/ thread
You're right, this is even better! Bea love!

>>6775643
Someone could've done the rhombus for cheaper.

>>6775011
>be indiefag
>only thing you talk about is muh model and muh rig

This is now a kneeling session about indies rigging thread

>>6775727
>Be corpofag.
>Only talk about muh numbers and muh metrics. Quality be damned.

I thought we were the worst fanbase judging from all the shitposting but we aren't even on his radar. it's been a long time since he quoted our thread, and the last time he did, it wasn't even free advertisement. how can we get him to notice us? I want more doxxfags watching beatani

>>6775035
Sadly this.
Companies go after the cheapest of the cheap for rigging, but generally decent-to-top for artists and tend to pay out the ass for speed at times. (since a lot of them are rather busy with clogged up schedules)
It has only just been recently that some of them started to go after better riggers, but they still have those relationships with shit-tier riggers that they go to them in a pinch. (see rhomboid shark, they fucking ruined my daughter!)

>>6775791
Why would you believe an obvious meme from shitposters?

>>6775820
I'd rather have hololive spend money on talent scouts than riggers

>>6775791
>I want more doxxfags watching beatani
I'd rather keep them away.

>>6775764
>i know her roommate
good to see her indie career is doing fine

The day you guys stop taking my bait will be the day I stop posting it.
>the day will never come

>>6776008
Fangs...

>>6776008
How to say this. its almost like it moves too much? I remember watching Fuzuki Miki a while back when she got an update and it seemed like the mouth tracking was set so high that it moved too fast and too sensitively. that's the best way I can explain it. still a quality rig nonetheless

>>6775715
I'm pretty sure what they saved on was not the rigger himself, but the QA of the product. They just took whatever he shat out without looking.

>>6775771
You're not talking about quality either, you're just trying to take the muh model is better mount, in the end if the content (stream) is not fun, it doesn't matter.

>>6776108
cringe

>>6776108
Well done.ARM2V

>>6776108
do people actually simp to this nightmare fuel? I've seen a literal gore vtuber that was less off-putting

>>6776218
Isn't that a dude?

>>6776234
i think its Merriweather (sp?)

>>6776182
You would be fine with PNGtubers or just a voice over on screen if the model didn't matter anon. It obviously is an important part of the presentation and atmosphere. This is such a strawman position you are taking when few people actually dispute the fact content is king beyond hardcore numberfags who will unironically enter arguments saying, "My oshi has better numbers than yours therefore her content must be better by default!"

>>6776299
I've said this since I ever watched vtubers
>You come for the model or design
>You stay for the personality
Isn't it simple? It is, right?

>>6775764
Rigging is so good but yueko's art just doesn't work for vtubers. They look uncanny. Neck is so long, eyes are too low and when she closes them it looks wonky. Also nostrils.

>>6776299
base character design is way more important than rigging though as part of that presentation. Look at Ina vs taht one racoon tuber with the tongue tech, one's rigging is way better than the other's, but Ina has an actual artist with vision create the base character.

>>6775011
Cover is a small indie company, please understand.

>>6775727
Bea is way more interesting than Pekora, though.

>>6776280
Nah. Merriweather is someone else. This one's just Omi.

>>6775011
Bea is fucking talented, even her older model is more expressive than a lot of corpo chuubas

>>6775345
Give her a break m8, grooming is her fetish and both sides are loving it

>>6776299
>You would be fine with PNGtubers or just a voice over on screen if the model didn't matter anon
Who says I'm not?

treating this like a stealth yah
will I just get ignored at this point? is it normal for an artist to let a request time out?

>>6776524
a lot will leave it until the last couple of days to accept

>>6776008
>>6776108
>>6776260
>>6776385
These all look like Homestuck loving, pronouns in bio EN twitchtubers

>>6776299
>You would be fine with PNGtubers or just a voice over on screen if the model didn't matter anon.
one of my favorite vtubers is a mute PNGtuber so yes. I also hate corpotubers but that's more because of the corporate side and how stifled their content feels due to it. Nevermind getting into black company shit.

>>6776640
they probably all are kek

>>6775035
Wtf? Why?
>spend top dollar for good rigging
>make back 100x the cost in a few months cause hololive brand
They could do a major update now that the company made tons of money but instead its going to...some sort of hololive related project with decent animation? While a good number of the talents representing the company have worst rigging than a 2view indie? Fucking ridiculous

beatani love!!! i want to kiss her on the cheek !and sniff her paw pads

It's just sad how much Cover holds back. They're capable of so much more but they refuse.

>>6777687
does this fat trash panda still shills her channel here or has she given up?

>>6775011
Look! That's my daughter! Isn't she so cute?

>>6776688
>mute PNGtuber
what's the appeal?

>>6777687
if you want realism go watch facecam streamers

>>6776688
Why do you keep watching Corpse?
I cannot see the appeal. Not at all

>>6775011

It's because rabbit shit ain't shit lol. Die mad nousagi. Our oshi is hot garbage.

whats the name of the bear girl ? i will give her a try. I have a huge boner for bear girls after playing arknight...

>>6778522
She's mentally ill and borderline suicidal are you ok with that?

https://streamable.com/

>>6775011
the left one looks no better than pekora. i personally dont like that full animation-ish garbage.

you mutts dont understand at all how anime and its cuteness work. when a character moves too much, it lost cuteness and catchy visual impressions.

stick to your ancient full animation disney shit.

>>6778522
Kumagai Chisato or Beatani

>>6778554
Oops wrong link

https://streamable.com/s0ovz3

>>6778522
Ignore the shitposter. Beatani is a cute and funny bear.

>>6778554
>streamable.com
>>6778522
Its beatani
https://youtube.com/c/beatanichisato

>>6778522
Beatani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cslRS5_I7MA

>>6778555
Well, for what it's worth, left designed and rigged her own shit, and she's Japanese. Although she likes westie cartoons and other garbo too much for my tastes.
t. Unapologetic weeb

>>6777687
I don't know why, but the new Subaru looks like she is deformed. Like actual brain tumor changed head shape deformed.

>>6778786
her left eye

>>6778555
Left one isn't moving "too much", it's the bare minimum you'd expect. Pekora's tracking is just awful.

>>6778522
xphill.com

>>6778555
You won't even walk in Japan on holiday.
Why defend cheap animation?
Imagine shitting on a Japanese streamer for shit you don't know about. kek

>>6778522
don't bother. she's a boring vtuber and her fans are obsessed schizos. they have threadly meltdowns over stupid shit

>>6779007
You're boring anon.

>>6775011
The left doesn't look better than the right. It's a different style true, but superior is subjective. Anime is already highly stylized. Realistic mouth tracking looks off to me, since it's much more "accurate" than the overall aesthetic of the face, but tastes differ.

Is it true she had to unfollow everyone she followed on twitter just because she got too many DMs from groomers?

>>6778554
>>6778594
don't care as long as its entertaining

>>6779091
>groomers
all me

>>6775820
Recently stars has hired Klaeia for rigging twice and really they just need to buy her whole schedule, her rigging is top tier.

>>6779097
it isnt really, but go watch a vod for yourself if you dont believe me

>>6779062
Pekora literally could not close her mouth like the picture retard.

>>6776524
>>6776555
I think if they don't want it then probably alot of artists will time it out instead of explicitly declining. Bea x Miho never.

>>6779115
I've been meaning to check out those updates actually, totally forgot to. Thanks for the reminder.

>>6778522
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3r5mOYFb4

>>6779091
Well it's not "confirmed" per se, but it's so heavily implied there's no reason to believe otherwise.

>>6779159
I got denied basically immediately on one. I appreciated it so I could find another artist.

>>6779162
https://twitter.com/_klaeia/status/1415698130138374144

>>6779058
kek accurate

Jesus dads, relax with the shilling. We get it.

>>6778703
it doesnt matter whether or not shes japanese. amerimutts often make this type thread and push their shitty standard "the more characters move, the better" akin to photorealism faggotry.

full animation stuff can be a different value from anime/limited animation stuff for sure, but it doesnt mean it can be superior. its just a matter of style and expression.

>>6778902
she looks like shes moving too much to me. it looks "busy". i prefer the black and white style of manga to full coloured and shopped comics bc its much less busy and much more immersive for me.

>>6779091
That's more of a rrat. She doesn't want to spend much time on Twitter and have what she chooses to like or reply to analyzed to the smallest detail. She was following so many she basically had to choose who to keep up with, so she chose oblivion and unfollowed everyone. She likely has a private list for stealth following but mostly checks the tags.

>>6779233
Damn, even the looking down is nice. A lot of people fuck that up with horrible skewing.
Not perfect, you can see minor skewing, but still nice. Hope they get more work.

everybody saying cost cutting is retarded

you could hire a less well known rigger who would do a better job than these famous riggers they keep hiring
and they'd be a lot cheaper to boot

>>6779354
>have what she chooses to like or reply to analyzed to the smallest detail.
Huh?

>>6777018
Because they'll make just as much money even with shit rigging, because hololive brand.

>>6779383
Her fanbase is autistic so they would notice patterns in who she liked/replied to and complain about it.

>>6779359
kek actually I looked at the 2nd video. It has that usual face-on-a-pole look, sadly.
Hoshikawa also got that in her 2.0 update. She ended up with a massive egg-head look.
Still arguably better than skewed-to-fuck faces where the animator just lazily used skewing to reshape the face without ANY touch-up to fix obvious issues. Gura...

>>6779359
Yea, they make up for the lack of perfection in the basic movements with the really neat motions. Ideally they'd hire her to just be making live2d animation cycles for people.

>>6779349
>i prefer the black and white style of manga to full coloured and shopped comics
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
Pekora is also full coloured and moving you moron.

>>6779091
Her official stance is that she was wasting too much time on twitter and she wanted to focus more on her studies (music reps, english reps...), but she most likely got fed up with the schizos and wanted everyone to stop constantly stalking her activity

>>6779383
We have a very special schizo who made a google spreadsheet detailing and analyzing the activity of the fans who interacted more with her on twitter, ranking them by the number of likes, retweets and replies they got from her and other fans

>>6779349
You're either trolling or such a turbo weeb that even most weebs would shit on you.

>>6779448
>What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
It just means he's actually autistic and can't follow a moving face. Similar to how autistic kids prefer watching shows with static faces like Thomas the Tank Engine

>>6779193
i detected a few Kaichou frequencies in this video

>>6779478
>We have a very special schizo who made a google spreadsheet detailing and analyzing the activity of the fans who interacted more with her on twitter, ranking them by the number of likes, retweets and replies they got from her and other fans
This is why I'll always be a holochad. Fucking Indie fans are the worst.

>>6779609
this is bait but I'll bite
Hololive members have been stalked and harassed into graduation anon

>>6775011
Nepotism. Celebrity worship. They keep hiring "famous" twitter gremlins who should instead be infamous.

>>6779349
Maybe you're just autistic, anime doesn't have shit animation on purpose. Left isn't moving too much, she just has a decent mouth tracking, Pekora's so sloppy she literally can't even close her mouth when talking, not even the laziest anime does flapping mouth animation like that.

>>6779676

GOOD. FUCK HOLOLOVE FUCK COVER. FUCK VTUBERS.

>>6779771
>Maybe you're just autistic
I don't think it's a maybe at this point...

>>6779676
Obviously because their fanbase is much larger there would be a higher frequency of schizos. Indies have a much smaller fanbase but with a disproportionally high concentration of schizos, dads in particular are known to be bad.

indies are indie until they get accepted into hololive. let me guess, beatani told you she would never become a soulless corpo? dyrbi? top kek

>>6779920
bear paws

>>6779920
Bea has like 300 members now. She's grooming /vt/ hard

>>6779848
this is bait but I'll bite
>dads are particularly bad
honestly no they aren't. the leaked DMs are harmless at the very best. spreadsheet data is autism but it's one person and it's objective data autism. the rest is a small handful of shitposters who shit up the threads but would never ever take their shit public.

>>6779479
why dont you consume amerimutt media then.
although today you dont make any full animation.

japanese vtuber fans actually enjoy these kinds of expressions. you can see them commenting like "botan with her mouth half-open is cute" they know what they should do to make vtubers look cute. thats all.

Gotta say that I really admire and respect Bea, the amount of unfair crap she has to eat every single day from her fanbase is fucking huge, and even so she is still /here/ and trying to have fun with us

>>6779920
She's too lazy

>>6779848
>>6779988
is dads a person or are you talking about literal fathers?

>>6779920
There is no way hololive would ever hire her with the amount of yabs that she creates every stream.

>>6780066
This is bait but dads are individual viewers

>>6780023
She invites a lot of it honestly.

>>6780066
Dads is the name of the fanbase, she is our daughter and we are family and this sounds so fucking weird fuck me

>>6779771
literally no japanese vtuber fans complain like covers/nijis animation is shit unless they are autistismal faggots like you. if full animation-like vtubers are so great, why cant they be popular or get special attention?

>>6780089
was not bait, I've never heard of this person before
>>6780102
kek she's a vtuber I understand

>>6780102
origin from first thread she came here

>>6780127
I'm sorry, I forgot this is a stealth thread and that OP was a faggot
https://xphill.com/
If you're interested

>>6779988
Auspicious dubs but dads are the most mentally ill fanbase and so is their oshi.

>>6779988
Pure cope. Every Beatani thread I've been in was filled with some drama over twitter screenshots.

>>6780127
>was not bait, I've never heard of this person before
In that case feel free to ask

>>6775011
Im having SEX WITH BEATANI right now. Fuck you and your stealth yah

>>6775011
>This isn't a stealth /yah/ thread
No, it fucking is. Fuck off already and go back. She's too weird and niche for big numbers and the fanbase is attention whoring faggots.

Is it too late?

>>6780163
Yeah, probably the same handful of people over and over. Shitposting on 4ch is not proof of a shit fanbase

>>6780197
your making us look bad this is not a good look especially when there’s actual discussion, maybe when the thread dies a little take over

>>6780243
>maybe when the thread dies a little take over
dads, are we parasites?

>>6780243
>your making us look bad
You do that to yourselves.

>>6780243
>your

>>6780228
How many is a handful? Does she even get more than 100 views? Indie fanbases aren't big enough to blame all your problems on a "handful" of people.

>>6777984
>if you don't want shitty Canadian flash cartoons go watch NBC sitcoms

>>6780269
The fans reflect the oshi.

>>6780362
I'd shitpost her tweets if I could but she doesn't tweet anymore so I shitpost here instead

>>6780333
>How many is a handful?
2-4 I'd guess.
>Does she even get more than 100 views?
Every second stream.
>Indie fanbases aren't big enough to blame all your problems on a "handful" of people.
You are a fan of talking out of your ass I see.

>>6780333
Someone replied first but I agree with >>6780413 that it's five or less people consistently shitting it up for fun. There was a strong rrat 2 weeks ago that someone had a 3 day when threads mysteriously cleaned up on their own

Trying to shift the topic of this thread doesn't change your oshi's model is shit Holofags.

>>6780478
The model is great but the rigging is not good.

>>6780362
Speaking of Ayame, her fucking mouth is shit. Seriously. Her old mouth was shit because it basically never moved, her new mouth is shit because it looks shit.
FUCK.
I wish she'd just drop the L2D entirely and go full 3D. Her 3D model is still hands-down one of the better 3D models out there. In this instance, I am GLAD the consistency between 2D and 3D was totally off, her 2D is infinitely inferior in every way.

as a dad, I feel conflicted right now
can I like both of them

>>6780551
Of course, the thread isn't about the streamers.

beatani is a whore and I can't comprehend how can anyone like her

The biggest problem of the dads is how easily they take even the weakest bait and start fighting between them. The number of actual schizos we have is really small, but they get a lot of attention and they can derail any fucking thread using the usual topics
>New OB post!
>Look at her likes!
>Do you really think she isn't sending DMs to her favorites?

>>6780580

>>6780584
Those are all typed by bear claws

>>6780627
I agree, she is our worst schizo

>>6780413
>>6780464
Yeah, I don't believe that 4 people are responsible for making every Beatani thread revolve around some twitter screencap drama, but whatever. Funny how Hololive members can go without screencap drama in their threads.
>>6780478
Pekora is probably the most recognised vtuber in existence. Her model is god tier, I'll admit her rigging is eh.

>>6780528
Its called having a microphone infront of her face. She did a stream on the Holo studio and you can see how much more her mouth moves. Its not the live2d, she just prefers to have the mic on her mouth.

>>6780580
I don't like her but I'd give her cunny a test drive.

>>6780627
In the past maybe but recent actions show she's tired of schizos. It's not a good look for someone trying to expand. Is a new dad going to be as likely to donate if he knows he's going on someone's spreadsheet?

>>6780651
all it takes is one dedicated person to shit up a thread anon

>>6775153
I already answered last time you asked, I just use Vocaloid (5) I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean which bank?

>>6779478
>We have a very special schizo who made a google spreadsheet detailing and analyzing the activity of the fans who interacted more with her on twitter, ranking them by the number of likes, retweets and replies they got from her and other fans
The spreadsheet and script didn't provide any Beatani-specific data like >>6779354 implies. It was aimed at the general participation and reception of the people who frequently mentioned her in their Tweets, which is still fairly impressive if not schizo-ish.
>>6780014
I see what you mean. I never considered that static expressions were a prominent part of anime style specifically, although I wonder if it's not just a matter of Japanese fans getting used to stiffer animation since artists have an easier time with stiff poses (I may be talking out of my ass here).

>>6780805
Accusing all of your threads problems on one single person is pure cope. That's literally what a schizophrenic would do. Every /here/ vtuber has mentally ill fans.

>>6780692
Is it? Fucking Ayame, move your damn mic.
Besides, the rest still stands. 3D is infinitely cuter. Her 2D is pretty average.
Although it does have a hilariously dumb looking face at times. The times where she just has her mouth open in shock looking around is great. The time I remember from memory was the Minecraft book fishing hilarity.

Artdads I kneel. every fucking time.
I'm trying my best here, but I can't can't draw a face. The amount of time I've spent on this is kind of embarrassing, but I'll keep at it.

>>6781029
I like the eyes, they have a fire to them.

>>6781029
kek what is this

You fuckers are THIS desperate now?

>>6780970
i’m just saying all it takes is one person to shit up a thread, it’s not noticeable in larger threads but in smaller threads one person can easily stir up a rrat into a frenzy, and if it’s not entertained it could leave people without the right information.If the facts aren’t said tourists take the rrat as fact instead of the truth.

>>6781029
this is a trace innit

>>6781082
bring the thread back on topic instead of not adding anything to it

>>6775243
This. A good example is korone. She has a way more high quality rigging but only ever use it once or twice since it just didnt capture the same charm her og model has.

I curse the day I started doing my art reps, I'm a fucking hack and I can't do anything right, there must be something wrong with me. Fucking piece of shit, you good for nothing.

>>6780584
She's DMing me this exact moment, sorry for being her favorite.

>>6781150
Me too dad, maybe I am a toddler

>>6781114
How about you do that yourself and the rest of you shit stains in here. Because all this >>6781029
>>6780612
>>6780584
>>6780551
>>6780362
IS TOTALLY on topic. All you fuckers do is deflect and bury your heads in the sand. It's like I'm dealing with a less "PC" version of politically driven (but not political this time) retards from twitter.

>>6781150
Don't just draw over and over again anon. Look at drawings and character designs you like and analyze them.

>>6781096
Yah I'm just trying to practice.
You didn't need to spoiler, it's not a secret

>>6781156
I wish I could DM Pekora

>>6781150
input is more important than output
>t. drawfag

>>6781182
NTA but I think that's one of my big problems. I don't have an artist's eye for perspective and detail so I can't recreate them.

>>6781180
i mean the OP was just baiting us any way oh well

>>6775011
It's just the properitary tracking Hololive use, at first it was very good for its time but obviously nowadays it lags behind

>>6781262
Her and Beatani are IRL friends. They're both shut in weirdos so they don't see each other much.

>>6781290
Who makes the best tracking software?

>>6781084
Even if it is true that literally one guy is responsible for shitting up your threads, it's what you get for having a /here/ vtuber. If one of her biggest gimmicks is that she caters to 4chan, it's inevitable that there will be a high concentration of groomers and schizos.

>>6781323
She will phase us out when she finds a new, bigger audience. It's the way of things.

>>6781323
The problem is that if she wasn't a /here/ chuuba, she wouldn't exist in her current form

>>6781322
Not sure of tracking, but Vtube Studio has exploded in popularity with indies recently because of how flexible it is and being able to attach things to your model very easily.
>>6781323
Literally most of this board is shit. It's a site issue, in fact.
There is very unlikely to be a single thread on this board not shit on or ruined by shitposters.

>only interesting thing you can talk about regarding your favorite chuuba is her mouth moving
pathetic

>>6781150
I'm sorry for the doomposting, I got really excited when I started drawing and improving, but lately I haven't been able to draw anything and I feel like fucking shit

>>6781301
I choose to believe this.

>>6781458
Bea's mouth moving along my shaft uooooooohhhh

>>6781150
>>6781475
Hey artdad you can always try to talk to other artdads and see what you can do or what they think. I think there was one who was getting help from another artist.

>>6781322
Honestly VtubeStudio with an iphone X is all you need, you can get insane quality. Animaze isn't bad either.

>>6779091
Wrong, I'm still exchanging DMs with her, she just prevented new groomers from coming in, she has the right amount right now.

>>6780023
she's a huge schizo herself, even post her own fake DM leaks in the thread to make people go crazy

>>6780580
t. beatani

>>6780651
>4 people
More like 2
The time one of them got banned suddendly it all stopped for 3 days

>>6781458
No, I can also talk about how she told me to kill myself

>>6781475
you have really improved so much over the past few months, it is something to be proud of. your last drawing made me happy.

>>6781904
how do you even guess who that was?

>>6782141
He studied the way that anon types and checked his schedule

>>6781813
comprehend is a big word for a retard

>>6775011
all the scuff comes from Cover being a small company at one point, but the thing is that they decided to stay thinking like they're still one, i'm pretty sure they nerf the newer holos by keeping them at the standard of the old ones to not "dishonor" them instead of also upgrading those further, fucking hell

>>6782141
He is the dad who made the replyfag report.

>>6781638
I'm thinking about it, but I don't want to start bothering anyone yet
>>6781904
Thanks

>>6782336
>I'm thinking about it, but I don't want to start bothering anyone yet
I'm waiting cute anon

>>6782277
I still can't believe what they did to Gura in that "update". It triggers the shit out of me.
It's honestly the worst change to any of them overall.

>>6782179
The prophecy...

>>6782380
rhombus gura is painful. And she is my favorite holo, so double pain

>>6782475
Most of this has come true

>>6782475
It's all so tiresome

>>6782475
I'll take a shot at it because I think koopaposter is pathetic and still salty about their oshi
>Knowing the names of each other
Of course. Nonissue
>Recognized by their typing style
I've seen this happen with a total of one person who uses single spacing. The reply chain post you are shitposting off of is not the same thing. Nonissue.
>Rare newcomer
We still have plenty. Nonissue, unless they are JP or JP larp then you will get made fun of
>Beatani's friends
My fucking sides. Nonissue
>Discord
Three day ban if you put it in my OP. Nonissue
>Dad vtuber
Nonissue for now and I think she will avoid it. But, she is a contrarian after all so who knows

>>6783204
>my OP
it's fucking 5 AM go to sleep bea

>>6783204
>Three day ban if you put it in my OP. Nonissue
Not that one. It's not a server but arranging projects behind the scenes is being done over Discord

>>6777018
Thats just how brands work

>>6783333
> behind the scenes Discord
DYRBI?

>>6783440
I didn't say Bea was behind it or even part of it

>I'll take a shot at it because I think koopaposter is pathetic and still salty about their oshi
I'm the original "cooperphone" poster, and I just meant it as a shitpost at the time using my experience from lurking wvt for a long time, it wasn't meant to be serious. Any subsequent cooperphone isn't me.
I don't even watch Koopa.

>>6783461
She probably is in there, incognito as usual

>>6777018
>spend fuck all for mediocre rigging
>make back 1000x the cost in a few months cause hololive brand
capitalism m8

>>6782218
i think its her because of the order of
>anyone can

>>6783333
>>6783461
What projects you retard?
Her birthday presents were done entirely on /yah/.
Her birthday contests and MC server were done on twitter.
Next time you want to bring a rrat to the thread don't pull it out of your ass.

>>6783537
didnt mean the original poster, I meant the person who shitposts with it constantly. if you aren't the same person thanks or fuck you I'm not really sure

>>6783555

No shit lol. Hope Cover and Hololive rest in piss

>>6783548
Chihiro is pure sex

>>6783204
most drama stems from "namefags"
one certain namefag is frequently called out by his typing style
palestinegal
beatani hasnt made any friends (yet)
discord op was never banned
homeless dad is in in the process of debuting

I can recognise a lot of dads from typing style alone and I don't even use twitter. There's no point calling them out for it though because it achieves nothing and I can never be 100% sure.

Homeless dad goes hard, he's done a little of everything. I kneel.

>>6783689
>one certain namefag is frequently called out by his typing style
Who?

>>6783735
Same
All the messages I identify with more than 80% certainty are added to the second spreadsheet for further analysis

>>6783790
the same namefag who is brought up every single fucking thread. i dont even want to say his name, you know who he is.

>>6783689
>namefag drama
This means nothing. Your shitposts on here mean nothing
>palestine
Its not that she was a newcomer its that she was a girl

>>6783828
Beatani?

>>6783909
Can we go 5 minutes without name dropping?

>>6783689
>most drama stems from "namefags"
Most drama stems from faggots who can't stop namedropping those namefags.
>palestinegal
Nobody would care about her if it weren't for some retard going to her instagram.
>discord op was never banned
Yes he was. He got a 3 day ban.

Love this otaku princess.

Stop talking about menhera bear this isn't what this thread is about

>>6783954
My rrat is the Instagram stalker was Bea with an alt

>>6783828
>you know who he is.
Why yes of course, that would be me, the one and only

>>6783668
It's not Cover fault. It's because paypigs have very low standards. Why would they bother putting effort if they can get a shit ton of donations with minimal effort?

>>6783901
she was celebrated before people even came to realise she was a girl
>>6783954
drama wouldn't exist if it weren't for namefags
discord op getting banned is a rrat

wait a moment, something smells fishy here

what's with the sudden incline?

>>6784011
get me every time

>>6784011
I await your groomer application eagerly.

>>6784036
Divegrass guerilla

>>6784033
>>6784036
>posted one second after each other
Okay phoneposter, what's the problem?

>>6783987
Well then talk about the topic.
It's not our fault that nobody is talking about the rigging.

>>6780528
I mean for the three streams a year she does, it's enough. No need to invest more into it.

>>6783987
Beatani is ok for a rigger I guess

>>6775011
Why are they both so retarded yet so talented

>>6784011
Hi Jack! I missed you

>>6784031
>drama wouldn't exist if it weren't for namefags
Drama wouldn't exist if it weren't for faggots namedropping namefags in the threads.
>discord op getting banned is a rrat
It's a rrat for you but it's a fact for me.

>>6783204

>>6784033
Her chair

>>6784154
She's a fucking rigger that's for sure

>>6784164
Chihiro is Pekora

aaaaah the voices in my head make them stop

>>6775011
>Do big companies purposely ask riggers to do sloppy live2D tracking for some reason?
Its because Companies are doing the vtuber business wrong. The meta needs changing. Paying for the avatar and taking a risk is stupid it puts all the risk on them, so their own safety they have to cost cut because what if someone graduates.
Honestly, these companies should set it up where creators/streamers take all the risk, paying for their own avatar and take the risk and get paid as the middlemen/management and take a cut from sponsors and merch.

>>6784179
beatani is probably to blame for namefag drama so it doesn't really matter
if it's a fact then prove it

>>6784266
Take off your headphones silly bear

>>6784288
Basically the Vshojo model

>>6784288
That would ruin the whole point for Hololive, since the talent could get Hololive's brand exposure and then fuck off with their model since they'd own it
Hololive owning everything about the character make it so the talent has to stay and continue sharing their revenue.

>>6784322
nta but that faggot was spamming his discord link in every thread and making multiple threads with it in the op, and at some point all messages got deleted at once, then there wasn't any discord shitposting for 3 days when that guy ruined every thread bringing it up before. 3 days later, all of the sudden the same discord talk + stupid infographics came back at once.

>>6784179
>faggots namedropping namefags
namefags are people who fill the name field in. your skewed version of this is that namefags are people who seek attention and seek to make the thread about them or someone other than beatani. those people are namedroppers I agree. but there is no reason for me to think that these are highly visible people outside of their shitposting

>No twitter
>Never installed discord
>Never even spoken to bea
>Greychad

Ya’ll can even compete.

thread succumbed to /yah/ifications once again

>>6779349
Ok, but there's still the fact that it's sad that a small indie has rigging comparable to that of Cover.

>>6784521
Their shitposting derails the threads because can't help themself and give them (You)s.
>>6784590
No one is talking about topic. What are we to do?

>>6784659
>No one is talking about topic. What are we to do?
keep quiet, preferably

>>6784416
>and at some point all messages got deleted at once
i've been in pretty much all of the threads and i never saw this happen. if you dont have screenshots i dont believe you. everything else is rrat territory.

If you can't identify Bea's cunny by smell out of a lineup while blindfolded can you really say you love her?

>>6784773
this but by taste

>>6784675
Alright anon. I promise you that I won't make a single off-topic post in this thread from now on.

>meds
>white night
>euros vs burgers
>hugbox
>emo dads
>discord boogeymen
>/wvt/ boogeymen
>tourist
>"your opinions don't matter"
> ip posting
>accusing anon of same fagging
>accusing anon of using proxies
how many have we hit yet?

>>6784840
add summary posting

>>6784695
>>/vt/thread/S6576117#p6580473

>>6784896
one deleted post doesn't mean anything.
i was in that thread, anon was self deleting to avoid getting banned. if he WAS banned then all of his posts would have been banned. that's how you detect samefags.

>>6784986
Did you not see the soijak spam below?

>>6784840
Primarily
>discord boogeymen
>accusing anon of same fagging
>meds

>>6775011
>sloppy tracking
i thought that tracking calibration is less than 5% of the work? does most of the work go into animating and rigging? is it the tracking that is the problem or is it the rigging itself?

Discuss transforming into Beatani here.

>>6778585
>Streaming is my only meds now
My heart... someone save her...

>>6785012
those posts came after, and if you search the soijak filename it's primarily one holotard with seemingly no correlation to discord.
not to mention there were plenty of other mentions of discord after the initial shill post was deleted. so he couldn't have been banned if he really was instigating drama and samefagging

Why doesn't the bear slay the rrats? All she has to do is talk serious for a moment about what and who she DMs and let everyone know she loves them even if they are boring or poor.

Sloppy 50ths with Bea! Her smile is beaming!

>>6785292
Acknowledging them emboldens them.

>>6785292
The worst she can do is talk about them

>>6785292
because some rrats are true

>>6775011
>>6775035
More like favor trading, some subpar riggers are friends with the now high ups in management and are guaranteed a payday without effort

>>6785292
>she loves them even if they are boring or poor
You're asking her to lie

>>6784363
>That would ruin the whole point for Hololive
this is about companies not specifically Hololive. Major brands like Cover, AnyColor don't need to change jack shit since they're already established but those mid-tiers and startups should consider it.

>>6785036
It's the rigging, OP probably mixed up tracking and rigging. Issues most proeminent like mouth tracking are really easy to solve even with the most amateur of equipment.

>>6785414
Then yeah, honestly a few already do, like Tsunderia took a preexisting streamer in (the bread girl)
But for the small agencies who don't really bring much exposure, all the risk taking from the talent make it that the talents themselves don't have an incentive to join the company in the first place, they'll be better off as indie.
Basically the share would have to be pretty small, since the company just provides some basic management and probably some guidelines to respect.

VShoujo is an exception as they basically exist to give themselves a better legal status and protection, but it was formed by already popular streamers.

>>6785589
>Take all the risk and join our company, we're not known so we provide no exposure, you'll have to conform to our rules, maybe some underpaid shared manager for the whole gen, and a share of your income. I hope you're convinced.

>>6785292
Anon, she told you last night. believe in the lie that Beatani is whoever you want her to be. then you will be happier for it.

>>6785643
Not a challenging problem to solve. First gen is full of popular streamers then accept literal whos for later generations.

Watame is the only decent rig in Hololive

>>6785957
true

>>6775011
Hololive is mass produced v-tubers. Niji is the same but their 3D rigging isn't a mile behind their 2D.

i think the OP is the bear

>>6786238
>bear
>capable of making webms

>>6785741
I think she's got a shitty take on that. She doesn't take the best view of us.

>>6786283
>capable

>>6775035
The cost for rigging is chump change for Hololive. Given that image is everything, a bit extra just to get a good rig should be worth it

>>6786314
Seriously they would make back whatever the rig costs on the reveal stream.

>>6786284
why?

>>6786423
It leads to confusion. Taking an imaginary view of her is what caused the DM fiasco.

>>6786771
She has always been pretty clear about everything, every drama has been started by people trying to misread her for their own benefit

>>6786986
She makes contradictory statements constantly. Most of it's sarcasm but it's not very clear sometimes. She admittedly lies for entertainment purposes.

too good rigging takes the chuubas into uncanny valley and freaks out people subconsciously.

I think hololive understands this and will never go over that, they understand the anime aesthetic.

>>6787116
>Reality is what you make it out to be
>Btw favoritism
I habeeb it

>>6786771
>fiasco
Way to overblow it, the only '"DM fiasco" that existed was the che**art one, the rest is just rrats. She did say she doesn't like DMs for no reason but I wouldn't call that fiasco. The mass unfollow wasn't even for that, but for overall twitter activity.

>>6787301
How can anon believe what he wants to when she says theres favoritism and shit like that

>>6787320
The rrat "the mass unfollow was due to DMs!" seems like the heart of recent "fiasco" to me

>>6787594
Well it's no more than a narrative. She's said in the past she really wanted to reduce her twitter usage and wanted to unfollow everyone. She just finally acted trough.

>>6787658
I'm just going to start @ing her on what I would have written in the DMs. I've got 4 accounts ready to burn.

>>6787706
Please go ahead.

>>6787720
I need to warn her about the doxx I found on her. I'll just @ the link.

>>6787797
She also checks the threads, so you should post your message here too just in case.

>>6787837
I'd get banned on here.

>>6787797
>>6787837
You can DM it to one of her favorite dads. I'm sure he'll pass the message on to Bea.

>>6788021
Her favorite dad has DMs off

>>6784840
Bingo template when?

>>6787797
Penetration testing UOOOOHHHH

>>6788093
Just message his alt

>>6788093
No, I don't.

>>6788093
You must have seen it wrong, my DMs are open, but you will be in message requests if I don't follow you

Does anyone have any recommendations for TV shows to learn Japanese through immersion and context? No anime please.

>>6788369
>>>/jp/

>>6787797
You're taking your time

>>6788480
It turns out her real favorite had DMs on. She already privated the account.

>>6788519
yeah sure

>>6788369
terrace house

>>6788519
I didn't receive anything, and I know it's me because she told me I was her favorit.

>>6788519
Thanks for the warning, she's way cuter than I thought. She's going to send you a thank you DM! I wouldn't respond if I were you though.

>>6788369
What's wrong with animu?

>>6789156
not him, but for learning via context all the extra body language can help a lot

>>6788369
Look up Kometto-san, it's an old series that was kinda popular outside of Japan.

>>6788445
Just reposting a reminder I saw on /a/ that pretty much represents the state of /jp/djt/ every time I've been there.

>>6789156
anime isn't as bad as people make it to be, but it does include a lot of speech patterns that no one use in real life, often very over the top/dramatic

>>6788369
Super Cub turned out to have very simple dialogue, but the first episodes I saw were a bit boring. If the manga has the same dialogue, it should be relatively easy to read.

>>6789755
How is that body language useful for context. Shouldn't the story + their emotions + tone of voice be enough?

>>6783668

cover is literally trashy garbage tier company that provides almost nothing for the girls lmao, kiara even said that each song they need to produce themselves, and coco and kanatan was talking about how they literally need to pay out of their own pocket for their merch, and they also took 30%+ cut of money. its funny cuz hololive only recently got popular before they were a complete scam company that barely provided anything for the girls, like nijisanji but unlike nijisanji they take a huge cut. and its just embarassing how bad their 3d is compared to people like eilene's group who can do full 360% videos in 4k and still look decent or even people from univirtuals fucking indies have better rigging

>>6775011
The prototype gundam is always better than the production mobile suit.

>>6790268
I never knew I wanted a gundam-style anime with all the robots being gundamized vtuber models. But I do. So bad.. Thanks anon

>>6789881
/jp/ - Gatekeeping Wapanese

I don't know why you're surprised.

I'M SERIOUSLY IN LOVE WITH BEATANI!!!! I LOVE HER REGARDLESS OF HER RIGGING AND MODEL BUT THEY ARE GREAT TOO!!!!!1!!

>>6789854
>>6790051
Thanks.
>>6789156
I've heard that a lot of anime speech is considered rude. I'd like to not have to unfuck my keigo. The body language points are good too.