/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

only if shes attractive under the live2d

>>67715599
Yes. Hololive needs her more than she needs them if that's what you're asking

Yes but she doesn't want tom
She'd be forced to sign into a label outside of Holo.

Name 5 successful indie vsingers that pull at least half her numbers
That's right

Dunno, the Vtuber standard for what entails good singing is pretty fucking low.

>>67715599
lol

>>67715599
Remove the vtuber part, and the tetris part.
And there are better singers in the anime industry.

Minori Suzuki is better than Suisei, but she is not pretty.

Suisei can have a greater success outside of hololive, but only if she is very pretty IRL.

>>67715599
Yeah she probably could now, however she probably wouldn’t have made it nearly as far without Holo to boost her

>>67716132
>>67715724
How attractive is Ado?

>>67715599
the answer is maybe, and she is not bold enough to try to find out. Her project Orchestra smt is not doing bad, but not good enough to take the decision

top holos like Suisei helped make Hololive what it is, saying they wouldn't survive without it is a bit silly since it is how it is because of them

>>67715599
たぶん無理

もしそれができたならイノナカ時代ですでに有名になってたはず

>>67717057
using japanese when youre not japanese makes you look like an idiot

>>67716132
>And there are better singers in the anime industry.
Thank you anon, I swear sometimes it feels like I'm the only one who realizes Sui isn't that great of a singer.

>>67715599
I don't think so. She's technically proficient but not really remarkable otherwise.

>>67715599
Do you guys think she took... "shortcuts"?

>>67717640
All women do.

>>67717640
Japan isnt hollywood. they dont trade sexual favors for career advancement

Now, yes. If she graduates to focus on singing, she'll be completely fine. If it's a hypothetical "if she never joined", then probably not.

>>67715599
Highly doubtful. Without Hololive's branding, resources, and guidance, most of their talents would not be even half as successful as their currently are under the brand. Case in point, Kson, and especially Rushia. Hololive is what makes them what they are, not the other way.

>>67717717
>he doesn't know

>>67717717
I'm embarrassed that people like this exist.

>>67717717
This nigga actually still believes in superior nihon morals

>>67715599
If she leaves hololive today? Certainly. Had she not joined hololive? Impossible to know but being in hololive certain helped her to whatever extent her singing wouldnt be able to

>>67717545
>Sui isn't that great of a singer.
it feels like this because you are retarded. She isn't THE BEST singer, but acting like she isn't in the upper 5% at least is just stupid 4chin contrarianism.

>>67717717
lmao

>>67716500
Don't know but Ado is at the level of talent where her looks don't matter.

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>>67717883
explain why the metoo movement didnt spread to japan

>>67715599
Depends.
If you mean "if she graduated tomorrow and went solo/indie again outside the Hololive umbrella", then yeah probably. Assuming the reason for graduation is not some career destroying drama yab that makes her untouchable for business, she has built up enough goodwill and residual popularity that some other record company would find it worthwhile to contract and promote her, and she'd do fine-ish market-wise.
But if you mean "would she have a similar career if she never joined Hololive in the first place", then lol of course not. Her singing skill alone isn't enough to carry her, there are basically dozens if not hundreds of amateur utaites in the JP scene who are just as good or better than her. The only reason she stuck out over them was the massive platform an ascending Hololive gave her, without that she'd just be another random good-but-not-particularly-outstanding-jp-utaite-nr875321 in a sea of others.

>>67718433
Because women have no rights over there.
So there is no meaning.

>>67717717
Lmao good joke

>>67715599
Now that she established her name she might have a fair shot, but it'd still be much harder without the support of the holobox.

>>67718433
Not dumb enough to bite the hand that feeds them.

>>67715599
Didn't she get recruited into hololive because she was a good singer? Leaving would take a pretty big hit but she survived before, so imo she'd be fine

>>67718398
Ado isn't talented, anon.

She is average

>>67718813
Cope.

>>67715599
Holostars are better singers anyway.

>>67718295
nta, but on what population are we grading here? Top 5% singer of all vtubers in general? Then yeah sure, given how most vtubers are just amateur singers at best with no great musical ambitions (plus that includes some absolute tonedeaf, ahem "sovl", vtubers dragging the average skill level down), so compared to that she looks good..
Or top 5% of professional singers in general (so not just vtubers), i.e. artists who make this their actual main thing? Then nah not really. When you remove the vtuber aspect (and all the additional emotional investment it brings that'd bias you rating her higher than objectively) and actually stack her up on skill alone (or whatever criteria you're judging on in the first place) against people like for example opera sopranos who trained for decades, it's hard to argue for her actually being in the "top 5%" of professional singers.
Again, doesn't mean she's therefore a bad singer herself, or that you're bad for enjoying her songs, just that you also don't have to overrate her on the other hand outside her specific niche.

>>67715599
She'd probably have 100,000 subs, give or take 6x.

>>67717545
Even if you argue she's not that good of a singer (I heavily disagree, though I wouldn't say she's one of the best by any stretch of the imagination), her voice is still very ear-catching to a lot of people and this has been demonstrated time and time again, her voice simply has "it". It also helps that her music is for the most part very good j-pop.

I don't think she'll reach fleshie big hitter j-pop artist status like YOASOBI but I could definitely see her reaching Fujii Kaze-tier popularity which is respectable, considering how much she does to make both herself and other vtubers/vsingers more known to the normie audience.

>>67719013
Nta, but I don't think it's really right to compare any contemporary singers to opera singers, it's a completely different style and market. I'm not going to pretend like you're wrong, though, as there's older singers in the industry like 99 Neko who I think sing better than her, too, and she's not even the most skilled in Hololive. The latter I'd say is probably Towa for how much she can carry her voice and the range she has.

But all that being said, it's also pretty disingenuous to act like Susie is unskilled, too. She is a skilled singer, and tracks like her Zombieland Saga and Stellar Stellar prove she can sing damn well.

I think what you're more getting at is that she's not really anything special. Which I would agree with. She's the archetypical "hard working girl" dream story, and I admire her for that. But at the same time she lacks anything memorable, were as even a divisive singer like REOL at least sticks in your mind, with how shrill and distinct she is.

>>67715599
She's too big for hololive at this point. The connection to an otaku-focused company like that is holding her career back.

>>67719013
Nobody gives a shit about opera slobs.

>>67719013
why did you jump to opera singers? those are like the elite of the elite when it comes to singing and even then they're not especially popular in the first place. the right comparison is pop artists whose main skill is singing, because those guys are also on another level when it comes to singing (not opera-tier but still really high), like celine dion or whitney houston or bruno mars.

>>67715599

i unironically wish Suzy would have been forced intro termination over the eceleb boyfriend yab last year. she was probably married to this faggot as well. shes such an insufferable cunt. All hoyfriend havers must perish. boyfriend free sweethearts only.

>>67715599
Depends. If she has made many connections in the music industry then yeah, she might. It's all about nepotism and connections, not talent.

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>>67719529
Wtf are these posts

>>67719523
The style of power her voice has is most comparable to Christina Aguilera, imo. It's that same sort of powerful "it" factor, another anon mentioned

>>67719580
I've seen that retard saying "suisei too good for hololive" and that retard pissing his pants about how his precious yab didn't even scratch her many times before, I'm convinced they're actually the same person at this point since they always show up at the same time.

>>67715599
right now? sure, she'll lose a lot of visibility but she'll still definitely have a lot of presence. i don't think she'll ever want to leave though.
>>67719691
what the fuck lol.

>>67719796
idk she kinda acts like she is too good for hololive. i could def see her trying to go out on her own

>>67719865
this isn't a bizarro /vt/ thread anon.

>>67719865
don't reply to me with your retarded delusions.

>>67718947
That's you, telling yourself that she's a good singer.

>>67715599
Now? Yes, she sucked enough dicks to have a place to lean on if everything falls
If she didn't joined holo? Lol, she would be an irrelevant indie till now

>>67715599
love her and of course it could

>>67719515
>slobs
Not you saying this when all your favorite streamers stream in their underwear

>>67718433
Because women are still second class citizens in Japan

>>67720097
People care about my slobs. Nobody gives a shit about fat people yelling italian gibberish.

>>67719580
Hoshycucks say that all the time, even nousagis aren't that arrogant, idk from where they get their confidence when Suisei isn't even in the top 3 in holo, they should wait for her to be the number for them to say it at least

>>67720156
>Hoshycucks say that all the time
Proof that aren't your own posts?

>>67715599
I'll sustain her singing career myself if necessary, I fucking love her Midnight Grand Orchestra stuff and the non-MV songs in her second album are really good shit.

>>67720097
I love opera and I play violin, piano and trumpet yet any holo is more popular than any opera singer besides Pavarotti and Andrea Bocelli
Even Sarah Brightman only beats low tier holos lol

>>67719483
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>>67720179
Some very funny archive digging.

>>67716500
>>67718813
Ado is actually a good singer though, which is the difference.

>>67718813
Ado isn't that good but she managed to popularize female power vocals in the JP music industry. That is an achievement by itself because JP is always obsessed with either female singers with light airy feminine voices like AZKi / IRyS or uwu kawaii loli voices

>>67721950
>Ado isn't that good
And other delusional things the Hoshiyomis tell themselves.

>>67721950
Which reminds me, I fucking love Shiina Ringo

>>67722073
I didn't even say Suisei is good anon. Here just to appease your ego
Ado is a better singer than Suisei

>>67722516
Probably some shitposter switching angles already >>67720777

>>67717717
Do last samurai fags truly believe this LMAOOOO.

>>67715599
Being a holo is greatly beneficial to her career. She might be able to survive outside but it wouldn't be a good idea.

>>67722516
Ado is better than Suisei and almost everyone else.

>>67722722
If you believe that than you haven't listened to enough singing. Ado is good but she isn't the best. Even she knows that her live performance aren't great and criticizes herself for that.

>>67722722
At one point singers are good enough in their style of singing that whether you like them or not is just preference, the discourse comes from people who act like "I don't like her = she sings bad". I don't like Ado's singing at all but her skill is undeniable and people clearly dig it (though I still would never say she's one of the best singers around with more uhh objective measures for a lack of a better term).

>>67722888
I have listened to plenty of singing and Ado is among the best.

>>67718433
They know what they are trading. Doing sexual favours for ojii sans is quick and easy compared to actually working to build your career which would take years of effort. Taking the shortcut then complaining about it after is the most woman thing possible.

>>67715599
no but it's fine since she's my housewife

Suisei designed and brought her model to hololive right?

why did she choose a model with no tits?

>>67723266
accurate to her real life body, according to matsuri.

>>67715599
She'd survive but she wouldn't thrive.

>>67715599
Only if she found a gimmick to make her stand out

>>67717466
and this post makes you look like an ironic weeb redditor

>>67718529
>>67720147
You're just describing how Nippon has superior morals.

>>67718433
>he doesn't know
i assume the whole johnny kitagawa thing went over your head.

>>67719450
He said in the post that he's not calling her unskilled, just not in the top 5% of all singers in the world.

He's right, vtuber singers are definitely overrated. It's both obvious why and not a big deal unless their fans get pissy about people not agreeing.

>>67716500
How big are the people backing Suisei without Hololive?

>>67717640
she didn't make it as an idol so clearly not

>>67718813
incredible cope holy shit lmao

>>67717640
yeah (with me)

>>67720154
A fat italian can fill a 56k stadium.

>>67727900
Nah she's mid af

>>67719529
>actually addressed the situation
>denied everything
>didn't schizo out
almost like she had nothing to hide or something

>>67722974
>I have listened to plenty of singing
doubt

>>67717640
yeah vtubing

>>67719529
>All hoyfriend havers must perish. boyfriend free sweethearts only.
then stick to anime. your oshi is getting railed as you speak, incel.

>>67728294
Suisei densha shu shu shu

>>67728294
Go back roastie, your protuberant pussy is spreading dirty mucus around here

>>67719529
>boyfriend free sweethearts
How did fucking your mom go, Chris-chan?

I like the sharpness of Suisei's voice. Thats the only way I can describe it. She knows how to hit emotional tones and her singing feels sharp and precise. I also think her voice is pretty unique and recognizeable.

>>67728107
she acknowledged the situation but she didn't address anything

>>67717640
Given where she is, no she didn't.

I can't believe Suisei fucks this pink haired fucktard

>>67729669
Even if she ends up marrying someone and retiring, I hope she snags this smug pink baby at least once in her time in Hololive.

>2024
>"music anons" still doing loops around vocal talent alone when talking about music
Did you retards compare vocal ranges for the nth time?

>>67717717
Entertainment industry can be a dark place no matter the country

>>67730237
Anon, if you take a random and train it for a month and give it a good producer and a good mixer you can make a "good" song after all the little adjustments

>>67715599
Yes the pipeline is
you're unsuccessful as an indie -> join Hololive and blow up -> graduate to gain more attention -> reincarnate to be more successful than you were before

>>67715599
>Responsible for more than a half of hololive album sales
Yes.
Will she get any benefit from quiting? No.

This thread sounds like it's filled with 2views who are awful singers, and probably got rejected from being hired at Hololive for the 7th time.

>>67719013
And your point is?
All those whose voice skills get past a certain point become indistinguishable to the ears of the masses.
Only a minority those whose taste in music are developed enough will be able to even differentiate them, but taste usually grow to prefer genres more so than voice.
The real question is whether Suisei is good enough at social networking, maneuvering through trends, & the like.
There's skills required to stay big other that one’s singing voice.

>>67719529
even if you’re just baiting, I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t at least a few people out there who actually think like this

>>67715599
Nah, she mid without the Dorito lawl

>>67723266
because believe it or not, there actually exists people out there who have a different taste than you

>>67716500
Ado is both a better singer and has the family background necessary to succeed despite being plain

Absolutely not. All vtuber music is absolute slop. That's literally why they are vtubers. They can't find success without gimmick.

>>67715599
Nope. Other talents I have seen are better but aren't popular. Blue dorito helped her.

>>67734565
Mori is unironically the answer for OP's question, before hololive Mori was just a minor singer who barely could penetrate in the niche jap rap community, now she has an Universal record deal and did a collab with fucking One Piece

>>67717640
considering how prude she is dunno

>>67715599
She's one of the very very few vtubers whose music I think is actually enjoyable as music so I'd say she has decent chances but being an indie is always tough as balls.

>>67715599
Survive? sure
Thrieve? that's the real question here

>>67719013
>Hey anon check out this new pop singer she has a great voice!
>ummmm well ackshually....
>goes on a rant about comparing a jpop songer to fucking classicaly trained world class opera singers'
And this is why you havbe no friends and will never have sex.

>>67715599
She was already a three view back then when she was indie without Holobuff and back then vtuber wasn't this popular, so yeah maybe?

>>67715599
Yes. She's too big now.

>>67738913
Yeah anon, everyone who took "shortcuts" announced it to the world

>>67717640
not with that face

>>67742463
No one knows her face

>>67742740
totally

>>67715599
if her singing career was as great as hoshicucks made it out to be, she would've left and joined an actual record company.

Nah her singing skills are still subpar
And she neither has looks

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>>67743573
Kys

>>67743719
Ado simps seething KEK