/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>67538409
No, why would I want to date someone that is even more mentally ill than me?

>>67538409
>I’m in France
Why are froggies like this?

>>67538409
>French
Why are wh*te people like this?

No, Ill stalk her and make it seem like Im a nobody, she will never know I am a fan. I have a plan, just working out the details of narrowing down where in Tokyo she is.

>>67538409
This guy probably mulled for days building up the courage to ask her out just to be publicly humiliated on twitter.
Actually heartless. She could have just politely turned him down like a normal human being, but itstead she decided to make a spectacle of it as some kind of psychotic humble-brag.
>oh woe is me! Look at all the attention I'm getting!

>>67538596
I take it you haven't seen the latest crop of quintessentially French people that are in there now

>>67538665
she could have also sent the mssage herself using an alt acct

>>67538665
>publicly humiliating autists is... LE BAD
You're the reason why trannies with rainbow colored hair think their opinions matter. Bring bullying back.

>>67538409
>shrimp vtuber
Why are cumbuds like this?

Autists are abused by the modern world. I'm sure they are just fine in a natural setting, but the things they see in media is what makes them behave this way.
They think their life is a movie and it's sad.

Can the French stop being groomers for just 5 minutes?

>>67538665
t. autist
These niggas gotta learn.

>>67538409
why does she hate french people

>>67538764
You're making an argument in bad faith. He's not a tranny or a rainbownigger. He's just a normal guy being polite and kind. Nothing he did justified a humiliation

>>67538409
No I'm not that autistic and I'm not interested in dating someone that I don't share much in common with.
OOT but I want a French hag to rape me.

>>67538596
>French
>White
lol
lmao even

honestly if youre gonna try this at least make sure they have sub 5k twitter followers man, this guy's shooting from half court hoping for a slam dunk

I've never figured out how to contact one of these Vtubing women for either business or romance.
Admittedly I don't try really hard, but it's not easy.

She needs some self awareness as 2 views instead of telling off her well meaning fan.

>>67538922
You can’t dunk from half court? ngmi

>>67539022
my parent forced me into an unethical arm shortening surgery as a child, please try to understand

>>67538409
She sounds like a whore

>>67538409
>fails so badly at setting boundaries with her audience that one of them thinks he has a shot at having discord sex with her
>leaves her DMs open for fans
She's doing this to herself

>>67538409
No, bitch doesn't deserve me

>>67539053
My parents forced me into an unethical dick deskinning as a child so I get it. You can get a handjob without lube but I can still slam balls into nets, we all have our strengths and weaknesses

>>67538665
Not publicly shaming autists who do retarded shit makes it okay to do retarded shit and lets untreated mental illnesses propagate freely. Without a sacrificial lamb like that, none of his peers will learn anything and will never reintegrate into society.

>>67539369
What did he do that was so retarded? He just politely asked her out like what humans have been doing for hundreds of years. If he started coming on like a horny sex pest, I could understand.

>>67538409
Some people just don't fucking live in reality. What gives this fucker the confidence to shoot his shit when he is probably obese unemployed and never showers.

>>67538665
Sure lets just let the schizo keep being a schizo because his feefees might get hurt. What a fucking shit take. KYS.

>>67538841
Anon he's French

>>67539590
Desperation and the knowledge that the worst possible outcome isn't that bad

>>67539626
>asking a girl out is schizo behavior

>>67539478
There is nothing polite about asking out a person who isn't your peer and doesn't even know you exist. It's breaking all sorts of social boundaries. If you do not understand that, you should unironically lurk more and observe how actual people do it. Imagine a guy in the 00s writing a letter to Britney Spears to ask her out. This is the exact same situation.

I think she could've refused in DMs and make pretty much the same post without the screenshot. I don't really see the value in making a public spectacle of someone who seems to be acting in good faith, if a bit misguided.

>>67539714
>random 2view streamer is comparable to Britney Spears

>>67539746
its based, she's an entertainer providing entertainment to her fans and the general audience (we get to laugh at this guy being retarded)

lmao. why can't you guys just be normal?

>>67539676
>a girl
Are you seriously this mongoloid?

>>67538409
>the absolute state of France

Hey guys, I think we figured out why Cover hasn't made a HoloEU yet.

>>67538409
>I don’t want to have any regrets about never having made the move
Lmao he’s gonna have some other regrets after this, ouch.

>>67539590
>obese unemployed and never showers.
literally me

>>67539762
It's like going to a titty bar and asking out one of the strippers
it's impolite and it kinda makes you look like a loser

>>67539822
frfr

>vtuber does gfe/nsfw content
>gets messages like these
>respect my boundaries, please L+ratio
Every time

>>67539865
lmao

>>67538409
Women, am I right?

>>67539865
Do you not understand that they're a working girl doing it for money and that the performance needs to seem genuine by nature? It's literally behind a paywall dude. It's interactive performance art not a mating call.

>>67539825
Not that's not comparable. It's more like asking a waitress at the diner. You're acting like she's a big hot shot when in reality she's just a random girl with a small following online. Nothing he did indicates that he's some drooling retard either, in OP's picture he appears to sound fairly professional.

>>67539966
Please understand that sounding professional in this situation only adds to the creepiness. You need to, as the kids say, take the L. Maybe you'll learn the lesson and the next girl won't blast your ass online for being a creep.

>>67539957
Do you not understand that spergs who cant differentiate between an act and genuine feelings are overrepresented in whore content online? Why do you think so many people on here think ASMR = pure virgin waifu GFE.

His screenshot just shows that she engages in content that attracts freaks, and that she should be understand as much and not throw a fit.

>>67538409
These are the sort of people who never watched anime before vtubers and now don't know how to handle being in love with virtual characters.

>>67539966
a girl at a titty bar isnt some big hotshot what the fuck are you talking about
it's absolutely a better comparison because the service provided is more similar. a waitress is not an entertainer, she just gives you a sandwich and is polite for a tip.
I didnt say he was a drooling retard, although he is delusional in the same way most cold open dating strategy guys are (but at least irl you have more opportunity to establish rapport)
The only drooling retard here is you, bro.

>>67539957
I think they do understand what kind of person is willing to pay for their shitty ASMR vomit they do on their Patreon. They know they are preying on young lonely men.
At least she should have some self-awareness and not publicly post something like that.

>>67539966
>that first sentence
No girl wants to hear your internal dialogue hemming and hawing about building up the courage to ask her out
>that last sentence
No girl wants to hear that you're "trying your luck" on her even if that is the reality of dating for most men
He sounds like a creepy autist that is banking on a sympathy date, turning a 0.001% chance into a 0% chance.

That guy, me

>>67539865
Onlyfans but for ugly girls lmao

>>67540070
>>67540117
I understand perfectly that the messager is probably a sperg. But we, as non-spergers, can understand why his actions are misguided. I think it's perfectly reasonable for a creator to make it clear to their audience how they feel about particular actions and to ask for those actions to cease. Would you rather they lead on the audience members and play into the delusions?
She didn't need to post the pic, but honestly who fucking cares dude? She censored the username and everything.

>>67538629
I think becoming a streamer yourself is more likely to be successful so long as you're not aiming for somone in a big corpo
Just become relatively large and reach out to her friends for collabs then you'll get introduced that way

I need a girlfriend

>act like a whore for a living
>guy makes a move on you
>shocked, disgusted, insulted, butthurt
What was she expecting from the DMs? She should count herself lucky it wasn't just a thousand dick pics. What a fucking retard.

>>67538409
I've asked her to marry me in VC before and she just said no

>>67540264
Right hand is better than a grill could ever be

>>67538409
>I've already limited my DM interactions due to past experiences
All me btw

>>67538596
>white frog
you have better chance even in sweden

>>67540225
>She didn't need to post the pic
I agree with this. The message itself would've been enough without the public shaming.

>>67538409
Yes! And she said ok! We met at the trainstation then went to a lovely restaurant and then to a love hotel. It was very very professional.

>>67540315
Im from sweden, both guys and grills are freaking mentally challenged here, just google waiting on a bus like a swede and you see how autistic everyone else is

>>67538409
no, because i would not run the risk of getting doxfagged by some random stranger just by a DM

>>67538665
Oh no men are so emotionally fragile.

>>67540476
Yeah, men should be emotionless robots….retard

>>67538665
>>67539478
>>67539676
>>67539966
Fuck, and here I thought that *I* was socially retarded. Thanks for giving me hope, anonchama.

>>67539966
Asking a waitress ar a diner is creepy as fuck too, if you don't understand that maybe you need this lesson too.

How else would someone ask a girl out???

>>67540189
>>67540564
>>67540062
>ctrl+f creep
hiiii sisters
men don't use this word

>>67540506
He didn't even have his name posted. He can continue living with no damage to his public image

>>67540606
you're supposed to send a picture of your cock next to a roll of quarters

ahhh the french...

>>67540609
>talk about a the social norm of something directed at women
>women give their opinion
>noo you're just a sister

>>67540606
Don't ask out random strangers you have no rapport with. A few cordial chats online is not rapport.

>>67540609
Um. Ick.

>>67538409
No, because shes probably married or at the very least dating someone

>>67540606
You have to be a wealthy tall prettyboy and then they'll like you. Femoids like >>67540564 say everything men do is creepy unless it's a handsome man and then it's "cute and assertive" or whatever.

>>67540757
damn dude it's so crazy that various aspects of a person effect your perception of them isn't that just fucked up?
Like normally I hate fat chicks because being fat is fucking disgusting. But I once found out a vtuber I liked was kind of chubby and found myself endeared to her regardless.
Anyway just crazy how phenomenology works dude

>Do whore shit pandering to losers who would pay a whore for GFE
>Leave DMs open so you can talk to said paypigs just so you can get them more attached to you
Literally her own damn fault, she quite literally asked for this shit
>Please respect my boundaries
Bitch you never had any

>>67540639
To this day I still don't get why so many guys casually send girls unsolicited dickpix

>>67538409
>the worst she can do is say no

>>67540917
You're not you when you're horny

Women in this thread, how does someone ask a vtuber out? Are the options just become a vtuber or paypig?

>>67540917
Some of them have probably gotten positive replies

>>67540917
A friend showed me the dick picks she had gotten, they where either maggot sized, gnarly ugly or very bended. That perpexled me even more; sending a pic in the first place, doing so with a wonky dick, wtf?

>>67540917
some mix of exhibitionism and false hope i assume

>>67539966
>in OP's picture he appears to sound fairly professional
That's the issue though. You don't ask someone out by being professional and writing your life story like the OP did (hey I'm 26 btw and I live in France but ...)
You just casually ask them out. Otherwise it comes off as being too obsessive.
I know it's not like your 1600s romances at all but it's just how the world is now.
Also though if you've ever given a girl any significant amount of money they're going to assume you're obsessed with them and they won't say yes no matter what the situation is. The only way they wouldn't is if it's not significant to you/you're actually rich.

>>67540958
You don't. If she wants a boyfriend, one will find her IRL.

>>67538629
I'm interested in your plan anon, are you hoping the gaijin buff is strong enough or do you have any tricks up your sleeve to ensure success?

>>67540757
It's even creepier if it's a handsome dude because then you know his personality is maladjusted and not just socially awkward.
All the way back in highschool I had this classmate who did look handsome and tall but everytime he opened his mouth he was bragging about how his only goal in life is getting rich, what girls he claims to have fucked and whatever else. And you know people are like that because no one gives them negative reinforcement because they look good.

>>67541070
So you're saying to find their IRL info and pretend to not know them online then?

>>67540958
You don't unless you are already in her personal social circle. In the worst case scenario she does respond to your advances but her only interests are fleecing your for your money.

>>67541124
Fuck off, thats what you gonna do

>>67539865
Kek. Every single time.

Girls are inferior to men, iis there no female with a male brain?

>>67541124
You can try that but then you need to convincingly live near her, maybe for years, meet her regularly so you can talk to her completely normally and also compete in a completely normal love competition with other men she is interested in. All the while she could just simply not be interested in you because your personality or looks don't match. At that point you are just another random male stranger and get no bonus points.

>>67538764
You're an idiot

>>67541124
No they're telling you to stay in your lane and remain a loser forever. You're not good enough. Do not reach for the stars. Do not find hope. Do not climb out of your hole. Stay down. Die of loneliness. Do not win.

>>67540917
People don't send dickpicks to try to date someone, they send them because the thought of a girl they find hot seeing their dick turns them on.

>>67539957
lol, know your audience. If you're courting the smelly NEET virgin audience, you better believe they're gonna act like it.

>>67541241
Also if you think you can become attractive enough to convince her irl over other men, why not just find a girl near you without all the extra baggage involved.

>>67541241
>completely normal love competition
How romantic

>>67541394
I'm at the very least not ugly and have a high paying job. As for why, I'll be honest I just have an immense netori fetish and think cucking all the fans would get me rock hard.

>>67541282
It's not even about that, just think about this situation from the other person's perspective. This guy has only known her for a "short time", granted we don't know the full context but if I had to guess, they probably haven't sent that many messages. She doesn't know who this guy is, she doesn't know what he looks like, she doesn't know anything at all about what his personality is like. In what world would you ever expect, in that context, to be able to get a date with someone seriously?
Similarly, I don't think anyone here would genuinely take a DM from someone like that seriously, even if you guys deny it, if someone random "woman" contacted you to ask you on a date, you'd probably think things like "Ah it's probably a dude" "Ah they're probably fuck ugly" "Ah they're just trying to scam me" so on so on. And that's not even getting into the complications that arise with e-dating someone which even with the perfect IRL partner can fail.
Before you can even consider doing something like this, assuming you'd even want to, you'd have to put in a lot more effort to show why you'd be a worthwhile person to date beyond "trying your luck" with a couple of DMs after knowing them for a short period of time.

>>67538409
poor Ebi, she's a good girl. I didn't think was big enough to reel in a schizo of this caliber.

>>67538596
>French
>White
Weak bait, but here is a (You)

>>67541071
I've read enough doujins to know that you can't beat the cock, so that's my plan, wish me luck anons!

>>67539865
>I'm your virgin gf teehee
>can I, an autistic retard manchild get a date with you?
>ewwww kimoi
Classic lmao

>>67539865
it's always the e-whores isn't it

Once you get passed a certain level of popularity, it's inevitable that you'll begin to attract broken and often literally insane people who have decided they need something from you that you're unwilling or unable to give. The level of popularity it takes before this starts happening really really small, and it will happen no matter what it is you do. I've seen it happen to artists and writers who made utterly benign stuff and got tens of views.

It's a shitty situation. There is nothing you can do to make this person go away and it would take an investment of tens of hours to even try to get through to them what's wrong with what they're doing, and people making content for the internet aren't usually the most socially skilled to begin with. You can block them or publicly confront them, but that has as much chance of turning them into an obsessive enemy who spends hours every day creating new accounts to spam you from, and even trying to dox or swat you. All you can do is ignore them and hope they get bored and start harassing someone else, and even that has a chance of getting them to escalate.

But while it can happen to anyone, there are definitely people it happens more to. Being a woman? A cute anime woman? A cute anime woman that does GFE and JOI? I guarantee you that this isn't the first time it's happened to this vtuber. It's probably not even the tenth, it might not even be the hundredth. Part of why the big corps have support staff is because keeping the weirdos at bay is a full-time job and it's just good business sense to have interns take care of it instead of the talent. I can't read their mind, but the OP image probably isn't even an attempt to publicly shame the latest weirdo, it's an attempt to stem the flow of them.

It isn't going to work.

>>67538409
why would you post this publicly? what is wrong with women?

>>67538409
>Hey guys please dont ask me out in DMs my answer will always be no, sorry!
vs
>OMG look at this LOSER harassing me, lmao might close my DMs so give me sympathy

Women.
Drop this bitch immediately.
Yes asking your oshi out in DMs is fucking cringe as hell, but this is just disgusting.
She's shitting on his feelings for CLOUT and making herself look like a poor victim for attention. And this is clearly someone that's supported her for a long time.
She doesn't care about you or her fans at all. Move on to a better oshi.

>>67539865
this is your reminder that Googling a patreon username (like Ebiko for example) and kemono will get you their paywalled content for free

My whore Oshi never treated her worst most retarded fans like this. She understood that men, especially that watch chuubas are lonely and not great at social interaction, yet love and support her and that men paid her bills and that while awkward and weird sometimes, always had the best intentions and would never lash out at us like this and would never make a public spectacle of our fuckups.
I miss her so much every day, I just want her back.
Why are most women terrible people by default?

loving all the sociopaths in this thread seething that people arent affirming their fantasy of getting to dunk on some random guy confessing to you for twitter clout from fellow narcissists
also take note of what types of people are supporting her in her replies. ewhores need to look out for each other since no one else will

>>67538409
As a women (this doesn't really Matter) this type of message is the most tame thing I've seen and people could say worse. Putting up the screenshot instead of handling in private is stupid.gfe or lewd tubers or claim to be one don't understand their audience of being oh I'm an antisocial girl or boy like you and that people use these places to get away from reality which you could argue being bad.all you have to say is no or ignore dm. I'm tired of seeing this shit

>>67545369
Post tits
anyway very based

>>67541518
>I just have an immense netori fetish and think cucking all the fans would get me rock hard

I thought it would be fun to date gura and get her addicted to pills and show it to the chumbuds.
Not to get off on it, just to troll them kek

I'd probably just end up getting doxxed and swatted though

Posting the chat is completely unnecessary. Just tell them no and to fuck off in private, and complain about boundaries on twitter. There is only one reason to post the screenshot and it's self-satisfaction and clout farming. There is no positive reason to do it.

>>67538665
They're vtuber, their job is to "perform" publicly in any forms, including posting "interesting" materials like this in twitter.

It's sad but desu its your risk when getting involved with people like vtubers/streamers

>>67538409
Yeah he is autistic but posting his chat publicly for all the twitterfags to sneer at is disgusting. There were messages back and forth, how long had he been dming with her, did she lead him on? She has removed all context other than him "trying his luck" which all things considered is just a mildly creepy message with lots of compliments, she could have let this guy down easy and told him it was inappropriate privately especially considering he was a fan who got the wrong idea.
Pure narcissist behavior and all the fags saying shit like
>You did the RIGHT thing queen being a woman on the internet is terrifying
make me sick.

wwyd in her shoes?
this guy is clearly autistic, even responding may blow him up. i think the best action is to outright ignore

>>67538409
This is how you make someone hate you. Who knows how this guy will react? She's stupid.

>>67538409
Unicorns just keep embarrassing themselves.

>>67538409
>respect my boundaries
>sucking off popsicles for money - yes
>being asked on a date - no
to be fair to her most prostitutes and vthots have similar boundaries

>>67538665
That's exactly what you unicornfags deserved to be degraded and exposed as the creeps you're all are.

>>67545369
You aren't a woman post tits on /b/ or better yet do it on /gif/

>>67538409
That's a well thought message. I'm gonna copy it and send it to some chuubas. If I do it a hundred times at least 1 would accept my dick pics, right?

>>67543980
This is a cope and handwaves the fact that this industry relies on these people to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars. You're victim blaming, sis.

>>67548914
That doesn't give you a ticket for a date with your oshi. You unicorns are just creeps.

Pretty obvious why she's a 2view shitter, also probably brings up having been raped or something whenever she gets caught fucking up

>>67549153
>you need a ticket to ask people out
ngmi

>>67549234
Yeah you're ngmi. If you don't understand the minimum needed to ask someone out, it's over before it even began for you.

>>67545369
Post your based soles queen

>>67543980
>>67548914

You both have points, but I think what it all boils down to is that the obsessive schizo stalker type people are ingrained in the foundation of streaming (mostly female streaming ofc).

It's something streamers should know about and know how to deal with before they start streaming, because it's a part of their job to handle it.

People can bitch about it on social media all they want but it's not going to change anything. If streamers can't handle being creeped on like that then they shouldn't have become streamers in the first place.

>>67549371
> never cold approached a cutie for her number to "hang out sometime" and she says okay
ngmi

>>67549846
Pretty big difference between doing that with a girl irl and doing it with a girl on the internet who's streaming to a bunch of people.

>>67549948
not really, women are pretty retarded whether on or offline

>>67549988
How retarded they are doesn't make it much more likely that they're going to start dating a random fan that cold approached them on the internet.

>>67546234
With that beta attitude? Yeah you would

>>67538409
Good morning sir moment

>>67550322
Hey I'd do it anyways, it would end up trolling the chumbuds even harder

>>67550269
No, their retard level absolutely determines what kind of approach would work. Ebi is whore retard type 100% if you antagonize verbally while flexing cash and wealth and disrespect her without going too far in a way she thinks is "honest" according to her she would accept dates via dm like the retard she is. "His abusive language is just hime being brutally honest he really loves me" lmao. Only reason guy in OP picrel failed is because he didn't see her for what she actually was or else he never would've given her any attention or money. Sucks to suck.

>>67540228
Hey, that's my plan! Give it back!

>>67538409
Noob question:
What is the difference between this one and the JP dude that married her oshi?

Decided to scroll through the quote retweets and found this random 2view saying he's gonna kill himself. Any bets on that?

>>67551553
JP one actually figured out the game and achievedhappy end. This one is just a roastie that'll be dead by 45.

>>67538665
all women are evil and heartless creatures

>>67551632
Bad move, she's ex communicado now and fair game.

No, I'd ask her to marry

>>67539865
When a lewd vtuber does that type of coomerbait and GFE they will naturally get romantic interest from some of their viewers. Can't talk about being a girlfriend and recording pussy sounds while being shocked that viewers have impure thoughts. Ebiko isn't wrong to say that boundaries need to be respected but still a little cruel to publicly shame fans who don't understand that.

>>67551553
Which jp dude?

>>67541489
Romance isn't real, sorry Anonymous.

>>67552064
>my boundaries are give me more money and fuck off
Nice boundaries

>>67538842
Who doesn't hate french people?

>>67538841
>He's just a normal guy (sending love confessions to vtubers)
Found another autist who needed more bullying.

>>67538409
I asked Okayu out and she laughed at my choice of food to go out for.

>>67538409
https://youtu.be/KKQSOp4oApE?t=13423

>>67538665
This so much
Woman that public shame DMs like that can't be trusted, they reek of shitty person

>>67538629
>I have a plan, just working out the details of narrowing down where in Tokyo she is.
Don't bother. I know what you're thinking, and even who you're thinking off. That city is larger than any city you've ever been in. It's impossibru to find her, and they don't really go out all that much at that. Put it out of your mind, develop yourself and find someone else who is real.

>>67551632
buy an ad

>>67538665
You're 100% right, especially when you can see she was messaging the guy before it as well, putting him on blast just makes her look desperate to tear her own fans down for publicity
As a comfort woman, she needs to understand her role better and how she should be having her dm's managed by someone else if she isn't emotionally equipped to deal with the repercussions of being a comfort woman

>>67540228
If your goal is some 3view loser maybe but if its a holomem they need real men with real jobs

>>67539369
>implying we autists will learn from anything, implying that anon shouldn't have learned not to ask out your oshi from years of attending public school and work life.
Nigga, this directly refutes your argument, nothing will be learned from this. you need to directly stone them to death in the public square.

>>67551632
based reasonable take, sharing them was fucked up - if she cared about the wellbeing of this retarded fan even one bit she would have resolved this privately and then made a tweet indirectly saying the behavior is not okay - block him too if she thinks he is going to be an ongoing problem. She may have censored the username but as far as he is concerned he is shamed and exposed and depending on how active he is in her community people are going to know it was him.

Spilling your spaghetti in an ill advised attempt to woo a whoretuber is genuinely retarded but most of the people in her comments are acting like the guy is some kind of supreme gentleman and she is in danger when in reality he is just some lonely autist who could have been dealt with far more kindly if she wasn't trying to mine attention from the situation.

this kind of behavior should be shamed.
dumping all your bottled up emotions on someone unprompted is incredibly inconsiderate.
these kinds of confessions aren't even appropriate when asking them out in-person, but doing it to someone who probably doesn't even know who you are is worse.
if you need to vent this shit find a better outlet. like an imageboard or a therapist

>>67552579
I doubt you know who he’s thinking of because the amount of holos/niji that bunker down in their rooms is not a lot. If he had a plan ready good chance it’s not the ones streaming 8hrs every day. Though at the same time it means he already lost you could probably count on one hand the ones not sleeping around between both companies

>NOOOOO HIS LIFE IS RUINED HE GOT HUMILIATED NOOO
why are scrotes so fucking dramatic? why canA't they handle a normal rejection? stay in your fucking lane autist.

I did, we fucked with rabbits, turned out she was married and was cheating on the guy with me

>>67552063
This one I believe
https://crazyforanimetrivia.com/man-married-his-favorite-vtuber/

>>67552808
a "normal rejection" would be done privately and not aired to all her followers to snicker at and talk about how much this gave them the ick retard, nothing about the situation is normal least of all the retard sending his confession in the first place

everyone involved in this incident and all of you commenting on it are retarded

>>67552770
You're right, he should've sent her a pic of $1000 and "Down to hang?" Then ghost her after nutting

>>67538665
A lot of women replying to this post or self hating men, it's sad these subhumans never learned male camaraderie and can't sympathize with another man putting himself out there even if it's in the most retarded way possible.

>>67538964
>>67552592
At least one of those two views? Yeah, me. Seriously, check her out, she's a favorite in the /choc thread for a reason.

>>67539865
Holy kek.

>>67553018
Okay but will she have le sex with me?

>>67539590
Men do like 90% of the approaching and that's exactly what women expect too. It's all on you to make the move. Wasn't there a vtuber who got sacked for dating some of her viewers? How do you think that begin? You can bet the dudes went to her DM's and she was okay with it. I mean, if you don't move you don't cum bro.

>DMs open
for what purpose

>>67553094
She's somewhere in FL (she talks about this often, for any retard jannies) she's into guys, and she's fairly open with sexual topics, so yeah, maybe. You may want to check her handcam condom tasting stream to see what you're getting into. Yes, its an entertaining stream.

>>67551632
I hope he will and live stream it

>>67539865
>gfe
>that reaction to a dm
These kinds of women are not single

>>67553422
Alright I'll check her out

>>67553420
The only reason she rejected him is because he doesn't have enough money

>>67538409
How is that not genuine? It's very earnest.

>>67553626
She's in clownworld, everything is the opposite and upside down of what she says.

>>67552592
Went to check out her page because of this and found this. Thanks, I will now be checking her out, and it's nice to know I can send her unsolicited dick pics and she won't post about it on Twitter because she doesn't want me to eat a shotgun.

>>67539590
A guy like that from the first world is worth more than the most successful SEA male.

>>67553556
bingo

>>67553556
I'm asking sincerely though, I don't really know what do they hope to accomplish through discord DMs that they cannot do through email for business inquiries, members posts and comment sections for feedback and maros for TRUE feedback.

And it wasn't a rejection it was a public execution lol

>>67539676
Asking an E-GIRL out, worse, one you've never ever seen, is.

>>67544983
Faggot

>>67553977
They keep dm open to fish for whales

>>67551632
She definitely fucked up, she now tainted her name/model and this will always be brought up in conversations about her, this interaction is a normal part of vtubing, just like dick pics, bringing attention to it is stupid and ruins your brand image to make it part of your contant and image

>>67554151
Can't they just DM the whales themselves while keeping the rest of the poorfags out?

>>67553977
Girls that keep DM's open are trying to interact with whales, she probably had a couple whales DM her after posting that guys screenshot consoling her and she thanked them for it
How much these women care about you is on a money spectrum, it's the nature of the business

>>67554436
Well, not all of them.

>>67538409
Should learn from Rushia and create new account or something and give it only to the top donors to interact with them in private. BTW this is another of the reasons why Cover got rid of her but people only always mention that she leaked information but Rushia did have a bunch of skeletons in the closet.

>>67544983
>She's shitting on his feelings
No one cares about his and other retards feelings, they aren't matter dumb snowflakes.

>>67554343
Sorry but not going to explain how to fish whales. They're pretty endangered as it is. Just if you catch one please treat them kindly, unless they're verbally abusive pos then cut the line and block them.

>>67554241
Lmao what a retard

>>67554879
>they aren't matter

>>67554941
>endangered
every low 2view I see has at least 2 of them and probably a few less public ones

>>67553556
I got rejected as the second biggest whale of a 2view so that's not a guarantee, props to her btw.

>>67555838
>second
sorry for your loss bro

>>67538409
I'm a big fan of this post, because I get to learn more about what vtubers to like and to avoid, but I will not share my criteria for it with /vt/ peasants

>>67538665
kys fag definitely deserved. your oshi will never date you, get a hold of your parasocial delusions

>>67550360
Sounds like he'd be an unicorn, and irystocrast to be exact.

>>67538665
Autists need to know their place

>>67551632
koinushi is a good girl

If I was that guy I would have already killed myself by now
I wouldn't have looked down a shotgun, because those aren't easy to get for a desocialized sperg in France
I probably would've jumped in front of a train, or from a tall building

>>67553626
Image related.

>>67538409
What an actual bitch, if you’re a woman on the internet you have to live with the fact that men will approach you, you should be happy if they are as nice about it as that guy.
And yet she decides to publicly shame him like that for even daring to ask her out.
I wish her ten thousand dickpics and horny Bob and vegana enjoyers in the future, she deserves it.

>>67538409
Bring back misogyny!

>>67538409
A lesson to all women lurking about how NOT to treat your viewers.
It's perfectly fine to reject someone you don't want a romantic relationship with.
It's not cool to shame them publically and put them on blast.
That looks VERY poorly on your character. And your character is important when you're playing A CHARACTER. Especially one that RELIES on being nice.
>Hey I'm a GFE streamer but you actually like me? LMAO fucking loser laugh at this retard
>Hey where are all my viewers going? Why are my paying fans leaving in droves when they see I'm not actually a good or kind person?

>>67556890
I don't want to be hit on by fat uggo women, if one did hit on me i'd be way more likely to call hr over it than if she was hot

>>67538581
They are so fucked. So glad the resident frog left my oshis chat he was fuckin awful.

>>67538665
Public shaming is good.
I wish my oshi would have Struggle Sessions and purge the most toxic members from her chat.

Holy shit didn’t know there were so many misandrist feminazis on this board!
I sincerely hope you all die childless and alone surrounded by cat feces, it’s the only thing you deserve.

>>67553420
So she can publicly shame people for likes on twitter.

>>67539957
Act like a whore get treated like a whore, the guy in the OP didn’t realize people like her don’t deserve to be treated as humans.

>>67538665
stop dming her and leave her alone

>>67545087
Isn't kemono ded because of money reasons or fanbox and fantia upping their game or something

>>67538409
>have the same thoughts
>thinking of writting to my oshi
Is it over for me?

>>67540117
I’m sure she has self awareness, it’s just that the type of person who is okay with knowingly preying on young lonely men for money probably doesn’t have any problems with using them for some cheap clicks on twitter.
If she cared about them as anything other than moneybags she wouldn’t be preying on them in the first place.

>>67558245
It's way worse when they say yes.

>>67551632
I will now watch your oshi

>>67553626
She's probably imagining that this guy only got close to her to try this but didn't act like it.

>>67558245
At least befriend them genuinely before trying anything romantic.

>>67558245
Yes. While vtubers fucking their fans aren't unheard of, as long as you're merely a viewer you're inferior to her, meaning she's the only one allowed to make the first move. If you want to talk to vtubers from an equal position you have to be actually useful in the industry.

>>67558245
Are you content with fucking her in a hotel room alongside 4 other guys?

>>67558393
How I'm supposed to do it when she's a 3-view in a copro? Unless you groom them early on, most of them learn how to set boundaries with regular plebs.

>>67538409
at least she blurred his name

>>67558393
>you should friendzone yourself before making a move
Bitch stfu with your nonsense

>>67558245
Yes and no. You don't know her, she doesn't know you. Maybe it will go exactly how you think it's gonna play out. Maybe it will go way better, maybe way worse. She could be the sweetest baby angel like she shows off on stream, or she could be a total two-faced bitch that will make fun of you at every giving opportunity. But what it all boils down to is : You truly don't know her. And she will never truly know you.

>>67558560
just fucking go outside and find a woman you can actually talk to faggot

>>67558751
>he can't get out of the friendzone
skill issue

>>67558393
>become a woman's friend first and then try pursuing her romantically/sexually
This isn't even how dating works irl. Terrible advice.

Femcel /vt/sisters and their consequences have been a disaster for this board.

>>67558245
Do what one hornyposter in /vnug/ did and ask out a girl whos similar to her and groom her into becoming even more like her

>>67558245
Just don't send her half a fucking novel

>>67558805
Going friend before trying to date is immediate creep territory, I know you're a femcel but why give terrible advice like this?

>>67540682
The opinions of disingenous hypocrites don’t matter.

>>67558245
Unless she has a public discord or makes public appearances just move on. Even then you should move on because it probably just makes her uncomfortable that people want to cross that boundary when she doesn't even know you

>>67557498
YWNBAW

>>67556367
I dont think even the most schizo holo unichad would act like that. not even gabe. holy fuck I hope that psycho in the video really did rope

>>67558393
>At least befriend them genuinely before trying anything romantic.
You arent being genuine if you're only trying to be friends as a precursor to trying to fuck them.

>>67558560
>How I'm supposed to do it when she's a 3-view in a copro?
Just give up for your own happiness. Basically nobody in that bracket even wants to be friends with regular viewers (outside of maybe artists) let alone date them.

>>67540682
No one asked for the perspective of a bitter hag. Back to cow with you.

>>67559214
Conventions are an all you can fuck buffet of indie 2views as long as you NEVER claim to be a fan

>>67559167
Learn to read.

>>67559167
Retard your aim...

>>67559214
If any chuuba accepts advances from a fan she's just grooming him for an easy paycheck

How the fuck do I meet someone IRL that's into the same stuff as I am or has similar tastes, I'm tired it's always chuubas like Erispheria, Miko or Marine that are like close to what I want to find in a partner but I can't find it in a real woman, I want someone real, not some illusion that some overseas succubus is selling to me to try to make me simp for them, I'll never meet them so why god presented them to me and made me aware of them

>>67538665
I've written a message to a girl like this (a real person, not a vtuber), and if she had turned me down publicly like this it would have been like a sledgehammer to the nuts. The guy is cringe but who hasn't done something cringe and learned from it? The humiliation is completely uncalled for in my opinion. Tweet the text about respecting boundaries and omit the screenshot next time someone does this to you.

>>67558886
thats exactly how dating works. Have you never been on a date? I mean yeah scumbags just hook up with tinder or whatever, but most long term relationships start with friendship over time like at work or school etc til someone gets the balls to ask the other one out.

>>67559429
the key is simple, but difficult. Live in new york or california, go to anime/vtuber/gaming conventions, be moderately attractive and wealthy. that's it. It's a weeb pussy buffet. But for the rest of us, in every other state where that shit doesnt happen? Or other countries? We're all just shit out of luck.

>>67538665
Sacrifices are necessary to get the message across for deluded fans.

>>67558951
Ok, now post bob and vegana kindly plaese

>>67538409
>Says he's only been watching a short time
>Mentions lurking so he isnt even a big chatter, might not even be subbed
I cant even respect the obsession, sounds like he just watched her for two weeks and tried to get his dick wet

>>67559452
>most long term relationships start with friendship
Are you retarded? Most modern relationships is just last man/woman standing from a cascade of hookups

>>67559452
You’re either an actual fedora wearing nice guy creep or a retarded woman.
Both are equally bad.

>>67559511
Welp I'm some spic stuck in LATAM trying to get out cuz I'm at a dead end here, so I guess I'm legit out of luck...
I just want a qt gf I can spend nights labbing fighting games with and sperg out about Subahibi or Muv-luv with...
Man I just refuse to give up cuz if these women like Erispheria or Marine exist, there must be some autistic menhera I can get hooked into denpa games

>>67559452
Maybe in high school but definitely not in the adult world

>>67559662
I respect him, whores like her deserve to be manipulated and thrown away like trash after you’re done with them.

>>67559747
>I want a cutie fem with male interests
We've tried for thousands of years anon, it doesn't exist.

>>67559602
Unironically less cringe than the message in the OP

>>67538409
Definitely has a boyfriend already. Cucks will never learn.

>>67538665
foids get off on humiliating men, its in their nature

>>67559747
Other men are for sharing hobbies and interests. Women are for building a home and sex. Grow up!

>>67559452
Do you think we are still living in the nineteen fifties?
That sort of dating has been butchered by feminists long ago.

>>67559898
Nah, it's more likely she's a slut jumping from one cock to another.

>>67560025
If the message had been from some twitch e-celeb the results would definitely have been different

>>67538409
Kek what a loser

>>67559973
I also gave up about that, but then I discovered these chuubas, and I could still give up since I don't understand jack shit what JP says unless there's a clip with subs, but then Eris who talks in spanish broke me, it gave me hope that there are women out there that like Muv-Luv and fighting games, it gave me hope when I didn't want it and no matter how much I want to give up now despite how hopeless my situation is (both romantically and also economic due to hardships my family is going trough rn) I am unable to give up, WHY CAN'T I GIVE UP HOPE

>>67538409
And then you hear about that idolEN girl that fucked her fans and managers.
How can you know

>>67559406
This, especially for GFE vtubers there is essentially zero exceptions to this rule.
They just want your money, you’re not a person in their eyes.

>>67559452
>but most long term relationships start with friendship over time like at work or school etc til someone gets the balls to ask the other one out.
hey buddy it's 2024 not fucking 1999

>>67560025
Most of them fuck the same circle of dudes so she probably has at least 3 STD's

>>67538409
Whoever wrote that fucking wall of text is a turbo autist. Publicly shaming him is good, hopefully it shows all the other socially crippled losers what not to do

>>67560158
Even these chick's tend to end up with generically hot minor celebrities who share none of the interests they claim to have. Even on the /jp/ side. The type of woman you're looking for is a fiction.

>>67559429
Women and men are inherently different, any girl who pretends to like the same things you do has some sort of ulterior motive, whether that be manipulating you for her benefit or out of genuine interest in you.
It’s unfortunate but it’s just how it is.

>>67540958
If a woman is enough of an attention whore to try to become an ecelebrity (streaming, tiktok, whatever) she has a boyfriend. She has at least 5 backups. You will NEVER have a chance unless you're wayyyy bigger than her or knew her before she even started her account.

Don't even try really.

>>67559435
The whole point of posting the screenshot was to humiliate him, the people who publicly shame people like this know exactly what they are doing.

>>67538409
yes I did https://twitter.com/happy__yorkie/status/1746363470633681172/

>>67538409
That's honestly not even that bad of a message.

>>67558245
follow this advice >>67558758
you don't want a woman who think it's ok to take money from autists pretending to be an anime girl

>>67560713
But her consent and boundaries and emotional labor :(

>>67538409
For lewdtuber whores like her, they only care about monetary payment

If a chuuba is interacting with fans outside of stream and the rare tweet reply, she's asking for this. There are better ways to maintain a parasocial hold on your audience.

>>67538409
yes I ask them every stream

>>67558936
Based

>>67559747
same, anon, same. That's what most of us want. Anime is so cruel, making it seem like it's possible. That some gorgeous nerd goddess is going to just run into us in the street one day and fall in love with a rando nobody. Sigh.

That is an AWFUL way to ask for a date. So wordy, so cautious.

>>67560222
I said *long term* relationships, that doesn't list how many random dates and hookups actually go on to get married. Of course I know everyone just meets online to have random fuckbuddies and girls use it for the free food

>>67538409
The guy is a retard, probably depressed and mentally ill who knows
But what that girl did is not nice, she used him as a way to get more attention n twitter
What a fucking bitch
Every day I realize the vtuber world outside Hololive is as disgusting as twitch

>>67539957
I understand that, but I don't expect a significant portion of the lonely autists that watch her to. And it's not some big secret that they're like that. She knows the crowd she's deliberately taking advantage of. I'm not saying that means she deserves to be harassed, but it is without question something that comes with the territory and the message in op was comparatively harmless. Deliberately blurring the line to make money and then suddenly acting like there are clear boundaries is just her wanting to have her cake and eat it too.

>>67539957
Yes anon, we know she’s a whore, that’s why it’s so much fun to mock her for being an retard aswell as a whore.

>>67539865
huh. I didnt know she was an *actual* whore. I'm kind of disappointed, I watched her a few times and thought she was just another cute streamer not coomerbait. I no longer have any sympathy for her.

I just don't understand how a chuuba of this size, and who does the type of content that she does, has no clue how to navigate parasocial delusion. This grift only works if your fans can be in pretend love with you. As cringe as the message was, this kind of callout post is basically career suicide.

>>67540276
>>act like a whore for a living
>>guy makes a move on you
>>shocked, disgusted, insulted, butthurt
to be honest, I'm not the girl but I'm also pretty disgusted by a dude giving confessions of love to an open whore like this
it's like dudes marrying pornstars that got piped by 5 guys at once, pissed on and had their asshole bloom in front of a camera - they aren't the most respected grooms around, don't you know? though the sex might be great, I would honestly trade with Riley Reid's spouse

>>67562195
this girl seems like an insufferable cunt

>>67538409
this is why holo EU doesn't exist. europoors just have 0 rizz ong

>>67538665
She hid their identity

>>67562438
She just wanted supportive asspats, and now that even other chuubas are telling her off, she's claiming to be misunderstood lmao

>>67560713
Yes it is a bad message. It made her ovaries dry up just reading it.
>>67540189
>>67561489

the lesson is to not give money to vtubers and to stop expecting an emotional connection with a vtuber. good luck HAHA

>>67559452
Maybe in movies. Every girlfriend I've had I banged the first day I met them.

>>67559435
Genuine advice for anons in here: no girl will ever respond positively to this type of message, whether you know them irl or not. It's hard to overstate just how unattractive this message is. It reeks of desperation and makes you look like a loser.

>>67559747
We live in the material world. The material world is cruel. Settle for whatever you can get. Anywomen that let's you stick your dick in her keep.

>>67559511
Those chicks have their shields up so high at those events. You gotta be a lot more than moderately attractive. You also can't be autistic and know how/when to approach women. It's basically game over for me despite being a coastal elite.

>>67559747
it's not real brother
99.99% of women are emotional and financial leeches, accept it and find happiness in other things

>>67560222
>Family
There's the obvious interpretation and the hilarious interpretation.

>>67553018
I'm not gonna check her out anon, but if you like her, good for you.

>>67551632
empathy???? wtf??!?!?!

>>67563298
At least some of these women understand how to do their job

>>67538409
>all those 'eeeewwww's in the comments
I hate women so much.

>>67559747
You are trying to catch a unicornjust like me bro, we are doomed, I'm not a spic though

>>67562195
>noooo you can't support me because you have a crush on me!
Huh? How else would you gain support? By being interesting or being a whore? That's just gonna end up in two ways: People crushing on you, or people want to use you as a prostitute.

>>67563724
>people want to use you as a prostitute
And if her fans kept things too transactional she'd be bitching about that too

>>67538665
If he was interacting with an internet personality he should have been aware of the risk and be ok with it. You are also expecting too much from a random twitch whore.

>>67562195
>career suicide
She messed up but I'd be surprised if she even suffers a setback from this.

>>67538841
A normal guy wouldn't send a wall of text to a girl he has never spoken before asking her to date him.

>>67563840
Yeah, she just wants them to paypig while she streams and be a yes-man, but forget she exists when she doesn't put out for them.
>>67563949
>he should know that the internet celebrity he is crushing on is actually a massive bitch
Come the fuck on, he is most likely a huge autist, even then when you are crushing on someone you tend to put them on pedestal.

>>67563150
wincest bros what went so wrong?

>>67563975
Idk it's not the kind of drama I'd want to be in before going on hiatus personally

>>67564124
It appears to me that most of the drama (AKA people rightfully calling her out) is happening /here/ and /here/ is highly likely to be not her main audience.

do these ewhores not know what gfe stands for? do they think it stands for Give Fme Emoney or some shit? are they doing this """work""" because they're too retarded to pass even the lightest job interview at an actual place of employment?

>>67563975
Many of her simps might actually leave her over this, she broke their illusion.

>>67549846
fucking normalfag get off my board

>>67564263
You think too highly of simps, especially considering these are simps of the twitch e-thot variety.

They are on her DMs right now telling her to yas qween slay and to ignore the problematic creeps; as they are not like the other simps you see. And depending on their paypig potential she might be actively validating that second part.

>>67538409
when the couple dozen 2/3 views I follow on my twitter shows that none of them are following this girl, it's not a good sign

>Don't ask vtubers out because... JUST DON'T OK!!!!
Would vtubers still be saying that if they know the guy asking is a rich oil baron? It's impossible for there to not be a single guy out there they'd say yes to, so there's no reason to make it some rule pretending so

>>67564263
Hard to maintain shrimp girlfriend keyfabe when she's come out and explicitly said you're not allowed to watch her and have feelings for her. Really not the kind of chuuba who should be throwing out "the talk".

>>67564571
If she thought she could get something from him she wouldn't have posted the screenshot... yet.

>>67540609
guess ill just use retarded then

>>67564216
>are they doing this """work""" because they're too retarded to pass even the lightest job interview at an actual place of employment?
Yes, also too lazy and think too higly of themselves to become real whores.

They don't even know what lurk means?

>>67564263
Nah, they'll say how sorry they are for the brutal rape she just experienced, and how they aren't like that guy, they are totally her friends and don't wanna fuck her and date her.

>>67564749
it's like they are trying to be cunts, I don't get it

Retards ITT acting like we're telling them to just roll over and die alone when we say it's schizo and creepy as fuck to ask out a vtuber or other professional entertainer.
>But if i never ask her out how will I ever not be alone?
No, I'm going to spell it out directly for you autists: what we are telling you is to get off your PC and go touch grass. You will never have any success asking out an e-celebrity or a random girl you saw online; she has no idea who the fuck you are even though you've watched her for months and feel like you know each other. You are text on a screen. When you get some random dm from a hot Asian girl acting interested in you, do you even answer her? No, you assume it's Sanjay from a call center in Kolkata trying to scam you.

You have to go outside and meet people in real life, who get a chance to get to know you and see your positive qualities. If you are only ever interacting with online anime women you'll never have a chance. If there's no one in your area who you're interested in, you have to move to a city, and if there's no one in a city you can find who you're attracted to then you have bigger problems that you need to figure out. But it requires actually going out and socializing a lot because no one is going to date some random nobody who is completely outside of any of their social circles and who they've never hung out with irl to get a sense for if you even get along or are attractive in person, unless you're a top 1% gigachad.

>>67538409
Now she's complaining about getting messages period. Just close your DMs to randos and shut up, woman!

>>67565033
Hope she gets flooded with dickpics

>>67565033
but how would she be able to complain and post pity engagement then?

>>67564425
What the guys said isn't even that problematic he just shot his shot. She could just say sorry I don't date viewers or I'm not interested in dating now.

>>67565100
Truly the quintessential vtweeter conundrum.

I'm shocked

>>67538409
should force girls like this to work construction or do factory work for a few months and see if they still respond like this

>>67565344
We need 2 years of forced conscription following schooling, only instead of military service it's retail and hard labor work

>>67564263
It usually takes more than one woman moment to do that. I think they'll circle the wagons for now since they don't want to be seen as being bothered by this or even admit to themselves that it bothers them. It'll hurt her long term growth though since this'll come up whenever someone searches her in the future.

>>67565344
Man, I remember I tried working at furniture's fabric warehouse, it humbled me a lot, this shit was unbearable after a few days, when we had to unload truck with one hundred of rolls of fabric that would be 1.6m tall and 40-60kg depending on type of fabric, then I got told we would have to unload two trucks a week on top of usual work. Fuck that shit, never working warehouses again, and that was one of the easier warehouses they had. They had shit pay too.

>>67565551
Will be interesting to see her sub numbers in a month or two
Sometimes the damage from incidents like this are felt suddenly awhile after

>>67564749
narcissist ewhores will ignore reality and change the definitions of words in order to feed into their own narcissism since its the only way they can feel like they are worth anything (they're not)

>>67565703
I honestly would follow this chick only to see if

I'm presuming the absolute worst scenario for her right now is that one of her paypiggies questions her on this and she fucks up her answer.
But unless she basically turns on her own fanbase by doubling down way too much I doubt her current orbiters care too much.

>>67539655
wonder if he anticipated this outcome kek

>>67538764
Except being trans is abnormal behavior and a man asking a woman out is not. You're the weird one, bro.

>>67564941
What if I've been exchanging DMs for months and even being a little romantic but never made things clear?

You guys are so retarded KEK

>>67566752
Still a bad idea
Online relationships like that just don't work, I've seen it time and time again. It happened to me, it fucked one of my friend's lifes up.

You will always regret it

>>67566752
What are you gaining from this and what is she winning from this?

I'm in a similar situation right now but the reality rears its ugly head the moment I drop the emotionality and do a cold calculation of quo bono which is why I chose to ignore it just to see what happens

>>67566752
then she's stringing you along for money

>>67564263
they will never realize they're not the special viewer their oshi thinks is cool. a vtuber could say she hates each and every one of her fans and as long as she doesn't bring up names no one will think she's talking about them.

>>67538409
This is why I will never confess to a girl. I would come off just as autistic and she would for sure post it on social media and laugh

>>67566752
If things aren't clear, they aren't real, period

>>67567340
Adults don't "confess" to each other. You just hang out, get handsy and flirty, then you fuck.

>>67567450
this
the guy in the screenshot should've have told her to send him her tits, she would have responded better

>>67567659
bob vagene posting is both funny and has plausible deniability so yes, he should have

>>67538665
"publicly shaming" when she didn't even include his name or anything and censored the entire thing. maybe if she left it uncensored i'd say okay yeah dick move but the guy is already a creep