/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it doesnt have to be Holo EN4 what about Holo EU1

Dont want more subpar non JP holos, give me a eurostore for merch

We need EN4 to arrive as soon as possible

>>67493746
>EN4
>this year
rumao

>>67494321
For what purpose? There's a reason why most of the holos stream in one limited range timeslot. If any other EN chuuba wants to try and compete with the holobox, they're gonna get fucked by the overlap. Why do you think all the twitch vtubers that have gotten successful stream at god awful EU hours or like 3AM for most burgers?

>>67493746
The next step for Holostars English is a group based on the northern part of their map, which many believe it's gonna be a snowy region considering the southern one is a desert.
So yeah, they'll expand in Europe because the next Holostars English members are gonna be European.

>>67493746
is kiara ready for competition?

>>67494944
She's been ready for some fresh EU for a couple years

>>67493746
EUbros we might be so back....................

>>67495124
*EU booty
Someone she can easily offcollab with in europe

>>67493746
Nothing in that particular in image suggests european staff, branch or talents, hell it doesn't even suggest Cover knows Europe exists. "Came to me in a dream" is not a source.

>>67494559
If it ends up being EU1 it wouldn't surprise me if it was this year, if it ends up being EN4 they'd be wise to prolong the wait a bit more

>>67494944
She's been practically begging for more EU members for a looong while now

>>67493746
>Cover catering to EU
You'd sooner see an official Hololive JAV than that.

>>67493746
There's zero point to create HoloEU. First of all, the pool of talents isn't that big. Way less people care about vtubing and obviously most of them are ESLs. Knowing English is very common, but still, the majority of people wouldn't watch English speaking streamers, that's why they never pay. I can't see how would it be profitable in any way. Even if they managed to find some cute Polish girl who can speak English and Japanese, she would have to be streaming in NA hours to get more than 3view.

>>67493746
Look for EU vtubers graduating in a few months, then!

>>67493746
Man, I dislike Europe.
I was gonna list songs reasons why, but I decided against it.
Basically, I just really hope they don't do a Holo EU, especially not with any British ones.

I'm firmly against it, but if they absolutely had to, I guess the Dutch would be the least bad to fill the role of an EU branch. They're tolerable.

>>67495512
It's not like Cover seems to have a problem with that, just look at the Stars in general

>>67495571
What does not liking Europe have to do with getting more cute ESL girls on Holo??

>>67495571
UK is not EU

>>67495660
>It's not like Cover seems to have a problem with that
Sure, but I bet the girls would. Eventually, their stream schedule would overlap anyway. I'm not particularly against the idea, I just think it'd be dumb.

>>67493746
inb4 Kronii gets her girlfriend into Holo

>>67495661
Kek. True.
>>67495660
>What does not liking Europe have to do with getting more cute ESL girls on Holo??
It's just a gut reaction of mine. I know it could be fine and go smoothly, but I can't deny my default response to the idea is negative.

>>67493746
Wasn't Beryl from Europe?

>>67493746
we already have fauna and Ina

>>67495972
Can't be worse than ID

>>67494944
>is kiara ready for competition?
Competition? Kiara WANTS more EU members to converse with!

>>67496122
Is anyone good from Europe? I know just Shylily, but she doesn't seem like someone to fit Hololive.

It is not in the European Union, but it is a country in Europe in which a new gen should reside

>>67493746
How is your pic related to EU? "Overseas" in Japanese lingo usually means the US, or North America at best.

>>67496256
fallenshadow is streaming rn fwiw.

>>67496400
Good tip. Wasn't she a friend of Fauna?

>>67496122
you mean to sit on the face of

>>67496362
>>67495323
Do you faggots need to be spoonfed everything? Take a look at their recent LinkedIn posts, their official Note account, their recruitment listings, etc. Basically their business-side shit and you will see the patterns

>>67496481
I believe so.
I also doubt she's a fit for corpo.
In germany theres selphius (selphy on twitch), although I don't know anything about her besides how she was popular and hasn't been active as a vtuber on twitch for a year.

>>67494559
>>67495344
We got 1 gen each year so far, why would they stop?

We already know who is gen4 btw, it's pomu/selen/aura/byakko/the other vreverie girl.

>>67496400
She already declined the offer from a friend.

>>67496256
Nina Saotome
Panko
Saruei
Shondo
Aura, I guess

>>67496811
It's useless trying to guess which EU vtubers they could pick when they're know for hiring 2/low-3 view diamond in the roughs

>>67496893
Oh yeah, I am just listing eutubers I like.
Note that I don't believe in a european gen, it will be gen4 with a euro a best.

>>67496966
I'd be more than happy with just 1 eu member at this point, man

>>67495973
No, she's Canadian IIRC (not asian though).

>>67496714
Are you forgetting 2022? But we do have a new debut on the way advent and the homos were from the February auditions but they opened up auditions again May and the standard length is like 9 months. Also I just now realized why Advent was rushed out if they kept the regular pace the homos would’ve outnumbered the girls and that would’ve caused problems

>>67496893
They are not known for this what are you talking about they hire all types whether you’re successful or unknown

>>67496256
erika from vreverie

>>67496630
Faggot you're the one that made the thread and wants to discuss this shit. If you actually want to talk about this shit you should post relevant info. I'm not doing your work for you I'm just gonna leave your shit thread.

>>67496256
Yagoo said in an interview that if he ever made an "EU branch" it would be based on each girl targeting a specific language/demographic.

>>67493746
they need to upgrade their shitty face tracking if they wanna compete with indies

>>67496630
>take a look at their recent LinkedIn posts, their official Note account
not giving my doxx to microshart, post your evidence, faggot.

>>67496811
>Panko
She is great and deserves the spot in Hololive.

EU1 with 1 nordic girl (queen if she knows finnish along with swe/nor/dan) a frenchie and a german... even a 3 pers gen like ID would be fun, i don't know many nordic chubas except for lumi (finn) and alfhilde (swede) tho... there's a cute german chuba called jinja, she's part of a german agency called lightmotif, but i can dream... there is an EU audience for EU timeslot obviously.

>>67498021
Hi Panko

>>67498119
We need some Balkan representation.

>>67494559
They're not going to keep Pomu waiting too long.

>>67493746
i dont see anything alluding to EU there

>>67498478
that would really be awesome too!!

If they find a Scandinavian for EN4, she has to play skyrim

>>67495571
>dutch
Dutch are just annoying autists who are usually furries.

>>67493746
When are they gonna make HololiveES or HololiveLAT?

I want one English or Irish girl. No, I do not want a Sc*t or W*lsh.

i can imagine vdere falling apart if one of them gets in

HoloEN gamers when

>>67498720
Never, the spanish speaking side of the community is too poor to spend money on merch and Cover knows it

>>67497660
That's stupid. Does he think the reason Euros don't watch HoloEN is because we're like Japs and don't speak English?

It's a bad business decision. When the vodka people start blowing everything up, they will start with us and most of the people who'd support vtubers will be conscripted so you'll get less mileage out of an EU based branch. Maybe an Icelandic based branch would be optimal?

>>67498119
Italian, Portugese, Polish just because.

>>67499141
vodka people can't afford another war

>>67499339
No one in Italy cares about vtubers.

>>67499141
You do realize that their recruitment for the "eu branch" is a lot like their recruitment when people thought they would make a "es branch" right?
Even local EU chuubas pander to america since they know and have experienced how dead of a market eu is to vtubing

>>67499828
Nope, but Italy is full of machismo and will birth great chuubas.

>>67494321
Because it would be Holo FR1 or Holo GER1 if they were in a language other than English or Japanese.

>>67498689
Chapipi was Dutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fXuzvXYHmA&t=1382s

>>67498689
Chapipi was Dutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fXuzvXYHmA&t=1382

>>67494559
Following the pattern, they will likely debut a new gen in June this year. In the low chance they'd want to poach Pomu and/or Selen, they might rush it forward a bit, but I highly doubt it.

>>67497660
Gonna need a source for that one chief

>>67499869
>Even local EU chuubas pander to america
Do they? That hasn't been my experience in terms of stream times which is the only real way I can think to measure any market pandering. Can you name some?

>>67493746
too late

>>67493746
I should be happy about this but all I feel is apathy.

>new grads
It blows my mind how japan is a parallel universe where people actually get hired at entry level jobs because they have a college degree and japanese companies want to cultivate future employees or at least have workers to pass shitwork onto. Meanwhile the USA is some endless hell of mechanical ouija where even if you have experience if you don't have a friend who can get you into a company you'll spend 10 rounds of HR circlejerking before they tell you they've decided to hire someone else. Then you check back and the job is still open, meaning they hired no one and just wasted your time. Then months later you get an email saying the hr lady you talked to got fired for incompetence and the manager apologizes.

>>67493746
Dumb move, there's no market in EU.

>>67495819
She's Canadian now.

>>67494321
If they all speak English primarily then why not just make that HoloEN4.

If they all speak different languages how is that even gonna work as a gen. Can't exactly have a French-German-Spanish-Polish conversation without them all sharing a language one way or another. Coincidentally, that shared language that like half of the continent is fluent in, is English. So basically it'd be "holoEN but with everyone having funny accents and streaming at times unfriendly to the Americas." Which I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but would Cover assess that that is worth the investment vs another EN gen focused around the current approach?

>>67494321
Isn't Kiara already Holo EU?

>>67503511
EU primetime is literally a larger market for English streaming than NA primetime. Pic rel illustrating how lopsided and retarded holoEN's current scheduling is and why people constantly bitch about it.
The thing is, nobody wants a fully localised EU branch with people streaming in French and German or whatever. The people in hololive's demographic watch streams in English. Literally all they need is EN members who stream earlier. Hopefully they realise that.

>>67503873
They could do an EN Gamers with Kiara.

>>67503873
Viewcount is irrelevant when it comes to revenue. You know what EU's biggest spenders do with their money?
They don't spend it on vtubers or their merch, they spend it on CSGO. This has been the status quo for over 3 decades.

>>67503873
Some of these talents should have error bars.
Ame quite often starts streams at 8 UTC

>>67493746
Nerine wake up! It's your time!

>>67498689
That's why they're funny.

>>67505096
Europeans don't have the excessive tipping culture Americans have where people tip others for simply existing.
Europeans do however gladly buy any merch you show them. If delivery fees aren't twice as expensive as the actual merch that is, but Japanese companies not being able to rent logistics services abroad is a decade old problem at this point.

>>67505096
I'm yet to see anyone actually provide proof of this that isn't something retarded like linking to the superchats sent to someone who streams at 4AM. Europe also spends more on Japanese media and goods than the US does, and most of Cover's revenue is merch.

>>67503337
Isn't it because of the Japanese being a lot more loyal to the company they work for (to a worrying degree) which made Japanese companies a lot more willing to spend time and resources to train the fresh grads. On the other hand, American workers changes companies every season (not that i blame them).

>>67508045
Unless you're working an internship/temp job, american companies/employers also have this weird expectance that you'll work there until they no longer need you and can fire you with their leisure (hence the "if you quit too often, companies won't hire you" shit). The difference is, at least, the japanese customarily consider companies like that (the american style of at-will/at the company's convenience employment) to be a hallmark of a black company.

>>67495512
>most of them are ESLs
I thought most of HoloEN are ESL anyway. But most people would rather have someone that has been speaking English all their life than someone that only picked it up to work and study abroad.

>>67495512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpbrciMsis
This is the typical EU ESL vtuber. Is it really that horrible? Not to mention the likes of Silvervale and Shylily are EU ESL too. If your point is about popularity or not being understandable or needing to speak their native language I'm not sure you're living in reality.

>>67496256
Roca Rourin and Fuyo Cloverfield

>>67493746
imagine the kino EU Stars collabs

>>67494321
EU isn't a language.

>>67496256
There are a lot of good small artist vtubers from the EU, especially the French ones like para. You could easily replace Ina with any of them and get as good or better experience.

>>67510511
Then how the fuck do they even speak?

with the western market bleeding fans and many former hololive fans who moved on to indies/small corps now that they have several alternatives and don't have to depend on girls that rarely stream I have to wonder if Cover will debut EN4 this year. We know they have no qualms shitting out homos for some reason but with the girls they're different. Whether they're investing in EU or not I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen were to debut in 2025

>kiara gets moved out of en and made the leader of HoloEU
>get's 5 new kohais that have to worship her

>>67510879
It probably depends on an assessment of the potential growth. For example, if they believed that they could attain universal appeals across demographics they would probably expand. If they believed that they could only expand to a very small niche they already dominate then there is no reason for them to expand, because they simply cannot. Those that inappropriately call themselves unicorns won't like what general appeal implies, but still want them to expand, but don't want them to do things that will actually help them expand. So, most of this discussion tends to live in a realm of contradictions and absurdity.
Most of the crucial details about audience are also missing from any discussions about this, so you can't really compare without assuming false equivalencies in all likelihood. For example, in Japan the fujo market is huge and dedicated compared to the yuri market. That said, the behavior of fans differ, and the proportion of general fans and their demographic breakdown won't be the same between both groups.

tl;dr who is the new audience to justify more gens, and do anons even want that new audience?

>>67511081
>they all outperform her because in reality her voice/accent, singing, and mannerisms are mid compared to most of the EU

>>67512133
Ignoring all other aspects, they'd be hard-pressed to find someone with a worse voice than Kiara. After all these years, I still don't get why she puts on that voice, when her natural voice is so much better. She knows it's a debuffer, so why?

>>67494559
Based on previous occurences, ARMIS gen 2 will debut this year for sure

>>67509920
When you see people argue against euro hours hololive streams in threads like this, it's because streams at that time would be inconvenient to them personally, that's it. Often they're the same people that will complain there's too much stream overlap in NA primetime without realising the irony. They use the same arguments every time (no viewers, no money, no vtubers, regulations, etc), get shown to be wrong every time, and repeat them all next time.

However... I personally have my doubs Cover could break into the EU market now anyway, but not because of the region, because they've pointedly ignored it for so long that people are bitter about it and/or already went elsewhere. They'd have a much harder time marketing it now than they would have 2 years ago.

>>67512660
But lots of people also watch streams at work, and most of the EU streaming in the evenings overlaps with NA streamers. The reality is that someone streaming around 2-8pm east coast time is not a total rejection of the NA audience. Alternatively, streaming in EU mornings is streaming in JP evenings, or EU midnight as JP mornings. It's probably the best timezone for bridging NA and JP times. It's a missed opportunity.

>>67510629
Their own separate languages? Are you stupid?

>>67498478
>inbefore the balkan chuubas hate eachother from ancient times

>>67511907
If anything the state of the EN market is an argument for holoEN to push into the giant gaping schedule void in EU prime time. They’ve milked NA dry, their numbers are bad whenever they’re competing with each other and throwing 5 more people in there would be a bloodbath. Meanwhile they’ve got 6 hours of dead air every day that people have been begging them to fill for 3 years.

>>67493746
Since nobody here really cares about the DEVIS branch, I might as well post this here. This is another KR girl who catered to JP with music and went on an indefinite hiatus, which utaites never really announce unless something drastic happened to them. She's basically following a similar path to Kanade and is likely part of DEVIS gen 2 which might be coming sooner than expected. Unfortunately she privated a lot of her music and has changed her name from before.

https://www.youtube.com/@U14106/community

>>67503873
"Ina's slot" is literally perfect.
Kiara's slot is usually JP degen, but it's good for Koreans which is an audience she wants to cultivate. 11PM EST is pretty late for anything going long, more members should just stream in the "Gura slot'.

>>67514966
Everybody in Europe hates someone, lol.

>>67515948
I think you might be misunderstanding. Even if they pushed into the EU market the kind of audience would be radically different, with the exception being a few heavily Americanized incels/unicorns or whatever term you want to use for that vague subculture of disgruntled men. The current EU fans probably already make up most of the mild mannered and tolerant fans, and less of the extreme CGDCT purists that try to contort the hobby to suit themselves here and elsewhere.
By trying to recruit a more tolerant and openminded urban/suburban (The continent is less than half the size of NA and about twice as populated) you will make the most vocal fans here more of the minority. So, you have to get back to the reality of asking who these new fans are supposed to be, and if you really want them. Obviously, it would be good for Cover Corp to continue expanding, but for certain extreme fans to call for this expansion and the reality it entails, it contradicts their goals. It's not based in reality until you say that they should appeal to a broader audience.

>Hololive version of Eurovision