/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

the coffee isn't even that great.

Now show their sub numbers

>>67413502
You know shit is DOA when their Japanese social media has nothing but EOP replies

>>67413673
KEK

>>67413502
>collab with Flayon before Shiori
KEK BAU BAU FAGGOTS

>>67413535
Kaneko Lumi and Utatane Nasa flavors are supposed to be good

>>67413610
Buy an ad

>>67413673
rent free

>>67413502
The first thing a japanese NEET would find out about Phase is that it's a Canada based company with pretty much 99% of it's roster English only, after seeing them the japanese NEET will do an U turn and open Pekora stream, instantly forgetting that Phase exist.
Nothing piss the average JP audience as much as an English chat in a "JP"stream

>>67413673
Lmao, do the nips even know they exist?

>>67414212
Phase already has 3 jp girls, their fanbase is almost entirerly made of ESL that can't speak a single word of japanese

>>67413502
About as effective as Vshojo's ad campaign in Japan. Like I don't get what you see in this. Is it a video or really just some text over a black screen with a date? If it's a video, why isn't the account tweeting out the whole ad video? If this is it, just a still image, what is someone supposed to do with that? Is there a link? Is there a QR code? This is retarded.

>>67413792
Phase doesn't have the type that would fit well with Shiori. Shiina would but she's neurotic, no one else comes to mind.

>>67413673
the girls they picked all speak english, they unironically prepared to have them as some sort of Phase gen4 whose gimmick is that....they live in japan.
Their main purpose is to cover the dead hours

>>67414406
missing the point.
The Phase Niggers were spamming the retarded RESPECT MY COLLAB CHOICES and 2 WEEKS TO THE HOMO COLLAB

>>67413502
>Jap dude sees this
>Loads up stream
>EOP's screaming into the mic
>Exits stream
>Goes back to watching Hololive

>>67414407
Typing out of your ass, Gen 3 already happened, this is going to be exclusively JP intending them to be a sort of Gen 1.5

>>67414535
Where i called them gen3?

>>67414407
But that is Jelly and Remi's niche....

>>67414406
Lia would be interesting with Shiori

>>67414028
Phase already did. I just want to see the results

>>67414447
Nijifags deflecting blame after coming to terms with the fact that they lost the All Out War

>>67414407
>Believing in dead hours
There's no such thing.

>>67414465
>screaming into the mic
What? Since when are vtubers call in shows?

>>67414557
Gen 3 just recently debuted, there is no gen 4 anywhere in sight. They will not be EN and definitely not a gen 4.

>>67414164
Phase needs to do youtube ads which targets on other popular Japanese vtubers instead. If I were fishman, I'll have targeted ads over Reality Studios subsidiaries such as SpecialiteJP since First Stage prod has been doing this tactic for their latest male group debut thing.

It will all be for nothing if their JP's have english translations on screen and get raids from the EN girls.
I know some of the EN girls are excited and want to help, but raiding them will help kill any Japanese growth potential.

Cannot repeat the mistakes that were made with Michiru and Nasa. I am optimistic because these are the most prominent ads Phase has ever purchased,

>>67414884
they are doing that, too.

>>67413610
I think they've been getting culled off bots. Still, pretty grim.

Phase got popular
>just a fluke right
I'm laughing

>>67414906
100%. This is Michiru's chat taken at a random time.
If this is what Phase JP's chat looks like, it is so fucking over. They have to limit the english crossover for at least 3-6 months. There will be growing pains, but if this is gonna work it has to be done you cannot just drop EN raids into their chats it will sabotage native growth. This is not me being mean to the current JPs it is not their fault Sakana's grand plan for them was "idk get raided by the english girls so your community is just an amalgamation of the other Phase girls?"

>shioricucks deflecting to Phase
Sad!

>>67414946
I haven't seen a single PhaseJP ad on Youtube yet though. Maybe I'm just unlucky

>>67415541
I saw them at the start of last week (on Lia's channel) but not any since. I just assume they fixed it to where it is targeted to the correct audience because you wouldn't possibly want to advertise against your own girls who don't even speak the language

>>67414447
>Phase niggers
Phase does male collabs all the time. Only someone who doesn't watch phase would say that.
Which means you are vulnerable to blame shifting.

>>67413502
Shibuya sucks
I say this as someone who can walk there from his apartment in 45 minutes

>>67416355
The fuck you talk about, not only male collabs dont happen that often but everytime they happen the general reaction is FUCKING WHY
Lia almost ended her career with a male collab and Pippa had schizos for weeks because of male collabs

>>67416497
the 5 top girls in phase all have multiple male collabs in their portfolios and they aren't beholden to unicorns.

>>67415541
I had one from Ars Almal's channel.

>>67414267
Anon, they did post more about it.

>>67414047
You should be glad anyone is thinking of them at all

ill say my rrat about the phaseJP
-Sakana made this gen as an excuse to graduate the 3 JP's (maybe just 2) he already has
-Sakana probably already knows JP's just dont work if the main focus of the company is EN, hence why there hasnt been JP's since Origins
-Sakana cant just graduate the 3 JP's since it would be bad PR, cause its not graduating a gen, but just nitpicking a few of them, it would tarnish Phase Origins as a whole, thats why apparently they are gonna separate them, and make them Phase JP gen 0.
-This could also be good PR if they graduate the entire JP gen but give them their models (which imma be honest look kinda meh to ok at best compared to gen3)
Tldr: Sakan wants to graduate 3 girls but didnt knew how withouth being backlash, created a JP gen to separate the 3 from Phase Origins and then say bye to them while having no real hit to the first gen

>>67418398
>Sakana would spend tens of thousands of dollars just to graduate 3 girls that nothing for Sakana to keep around because they aren't salary
need to get back to the gym and work on your rrats, playboy

>>67418398
Your rrat is not very believable anon. Why would he spend money on ads if he wanted to graduate them in the end? If I was fishman and I wanted to do whatever you state in your post, I will just debut JP with minimal shilling, twitter at most and not buy a freaking huge irl ad in Shibuya of all places.

>>67418398
it costs almost $0 for michiru, nasa, and iori to exist.

>>67417256
Fuck I can't believe fishman is actually going all out
Also eighty is that you

>>67413502
My god just how much money does the canuck chink have? This isn't cheap by any means, and they aren't exactly hololive levels.

>>67416497
Tenma has male collabs all the time you fucking retard.

>>67418858
Its costing me a lot of semen for them to continue to exist.

>>67416497
Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Lumi all have male collabs. Considering what those 4 mean to Phase Connect, I don't think male on stream matters too much.

>>67418858
i know, but its just sad for me that they are just gonna be the 3(could be 2 if iori went full EN) weirdos in the corner while everyone else gets the boost and have fun, thats why i think Sakana feels bad for them to a certain extent and would prefer them to just graduate

>>67418930
Sakana is a venture capitalist millionaire. I believe during OffKai when he was caught on stream, anons where adding up his wardrobe and it was in the thousands.

He has money, but he is not stupid with it he isn't a trust fund babby. He could buy all 27 girls 3d tomorrow if he wanted, but that would be stupid.

I wonder if Mel will join Phase JP

>>67419278
JPs are getting good numbers now, you must have watched them in a while.

>>67419278
IMO he is likely waiting to see how the JP branch goes. If JP can become self sufficient and stand alone and be a true JP branch, then I think he is going to take Michiru and Nasa on hiatus, upgrade their stuff, remove the cursed on screen translator, and redebut them as a part of JP.

>>67419430
>JPs are getting good numbers now
their numbers are irrelevant because they are just the general Phase fanbase and they are all English speaking >>67415357
JP girls having an almost exclusive English fanbase is a fundamental failure (not that the girls are, it's Phase's fault for not supporting them).

How do you think it makes Michiru and Nasa feel knowing they have a chat and community they can't understand and read? Do you think they give a fuck about 300ccv when they can't ireally nteract with any of it?

>>67414406
I want Runie and Shiori to just talk for 2 hours about anime boys.

>>67419828
What does their chat language have to do with how valuable they are to their company? They make money for barely any cost, why would Sakana want to fire them?

>>67418052
Looks like the average age is too old in this group

>>67420300
>They make money for barely any cost,
Do they? They make so little money their supas totals don't even register on playboard and they have been doing this for almost 3-years.

>What does their chat language have to do with how valuable they are to their company?
For JP, it is a huge indicator of real growth. JP is about expanding into the JP market. Having a chat that is JP means there is actual real deal growth going on.

>JP chuuba's chat/twitter filled with EOPs
brings back memories

>>67420677 (me)
and I'm not saying they need to be fired at all.
I'm not that anon. It's just if they are serious about Japan, they need to get serious and fix the mistakes they made with Michiru and Nasa. Start by never having an on screen EN translator again.
In my perfect world for them, JPGen1 is a hit and later on Michi & Nasa get re-debuted with all the bells and whistles into a stable JP branch.

>>67413502
Ad

>>67421000
i don't know if redebuting michi and nasa into jp will work. you can't just make the english chat go away the dye has been cast. the chatters mean well and are just trying to support them, but they will be hurting them because it scares off the japanses viewer

>>67416448
what are you talking about bwo do you not like to shop

>>67419430
she is streaming live right now. how can you look at this chat and think she is a successful japanese streamer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKbBmCS6vuA

>>67421000
This isn't some NFT pump and dump scheme that will make them go under if they don't go viral. Creating their first JP gen is a step towards natural growth in japan, and having an english chat is better than not having a chat at all.
Having a mostly JP chat doesn't stop a shitton of nonJP viewers from watching JP vtubers.And there is no proof that the opposite happens.

>>67422216
>and having an english chat is better than not having a chat at all.
Disagree completely.

This attitude is how/why Michiru and Nasa have failed. I hope Sakana doesn't have your POV, otherwise history will repeat itself.
If they cater to english speakers on debut at all, this branch is dead on arrival. Believe that.

does Pekora use on screen english translators?

>>67422643
i remember some anon saying how if a channel gets flooded with en users, itll start biasing the algo towards en users rather than jp. not sure how true it is tho

>Japanese streamer
>ENG audience
>Both can barely communicate with each other
>Both have to always keep in mind that the other can't really understand
vs
>Japanese streamer
>Japanese audience
>Can go all out and just speak without worrying about not being understood, free if you will
Just look at how the EN talents grew. They were able to bounce off the viewers and makes jokes, memes etc. That's not possible when the talent and streamer can barely communicate.

>336k on their debut teaser
>tens of thousands on each individual teaser, up to 48 and 49k for pico and clara
>sub numbers haven't moved in two days despite all the ads
Jesas

>>67423191
Let them cook. This JP branch needs to be treated as if it is a brand new company.
and Phase does not need to panic. There will be growing pains. I wouldn't start panicking until about 6 months.

>>67423191
>buying ads doesn't actually work

>>67422643
If what you say is true, Sakana really needs to try harder to attract a JP fanbase. Then Sakana really needs to make measures to not chase the JP fanbase away. The EN side should try not to raid into JP unless they were doing a Japanese stream or they tell their raiders to raid in Japanese. The EN side may be allowed to raid into Clara since she is the one who understands the most English out of the five or raid Michi and Nasa first (since their fanbase already has EOPs) where they can then raid into the other 4 JPs.

>>67422643
>Disagree
I don't think there is a single sane person on the world that agrees with you. Having no chat is basically the definition of failure.
Look at HoloID for example, most of their chat is in english, yet they are the biggest vtubers even among ID community, since they sell out concerts and meet and greets that happens in ID.
If Yagoo had a vision like you, HoloID would be banned from speaking english and their branch would be mostly unknown.

>>67421679
I can shop anywhere in Tokyo
Why would I go to shibuya for that where there's 10 billion people and all the prices are suspiciously higher than the rest of the city

>>67423778
im not the anon and i agree with him
japan is a different animal
if all this jp branch is "we're gonna cater to both english and japanese" then it is going to flop hard. if you wanted girls to cater to english fans, then debut an english gen. oh wait they just did that 4 weeks ago
phases jp's right now are huge failures imagine streaming for 10 hours a day and not being able to understand your chat. that is the same as having no chatters must be very empty for them

Why did Phase even debut with a couple of JP girls? Was Sakana just trying everything and seeing what would stick?

What is the average for 2 hololive branches?
>EN: 6,500
>ID: 2,000
so ID is like 30% the size hololive EN

so lets say Phase JP is 30% the size of PhaseEN

Removing Pippa because obviously, Phase's EN avg is about what? 700-800? So what would be considered "good" for a new JP branch to start as a base? 200?
So if they could debut with 200 fans, and the chats are all japanese, I would consider it a good start.

>>67424541
he thought blended gens could work

>>67424541
Fishman has always wanted to try venture into the JP side for business. That's why he was happy to hire Nasa even though he wasn't specifically targeting JP at first. I guess his successes in the EN side made him confident enough to branch out but by the looks of it, he didn't have a foresight to make it work.

>>67424871
200ccv with a japanese chat would be great.
the furthest Nasa and Michiru got with a japanese chat was 30ccv before they gave up and just made them en by proxy

>>67424085
cute girls everywhere and i like the night lights desu

>>67425363
If you want cute girls and lights go to Akiba
Shibuya isn't even that lit up except the shitty overhyped crossing

>>67424228
>japan is a different animal
It's not. This is just an EOP wrong perception of the JP market.

>>67424541
When he started out, he needed something completely new to get a slice of the market.
A mixed language gen was something new.
And if he played safe, he wouldn't have hired Pippa, since every company agreed that she was a walking red flag.

>>67425442
honest found akiba girls way friendlier. i just get tired of all the maids. shibuya girls seem too 'high class'. shinjuku feels more real to me

>>67423778
Comparing PhaseJP to holoID is like comparing apples to oranges since it ignores lingual flexibilities of ID viewers (most of them are bilinguals/trilinguals and some even more) vs JOPs who struggled to master english thx to how they teach english there, so that anon's point is pretty valid

>>67413673
I think the main reason he made a JP branch was cause he thinks it'd make PC a "legit" corpo.

>>67425625
it is. there is a reason why nasa and michiru have failed
you are in deep denial of this

>>67424871
I think you have misguided sense of jp market. PC girls have more actual Japanese people in their chat than actual JPs they collab with.

>>67413673
Sad...

日本語で配信できるの?
日本時間に合わせてくれるの?
それができないなら日本人は見ないと思うけど

>>67425625
The fact that even fucking Sony is failing hard with VEE says something about the JP market

>>67426143
First of all, they haven't failed. They are part of the 1% most successful vtubers simply by having an average of around 200~300 ccv.
Secondly, they don't have a large JP fanbase because Phase was never a JP corpo to begin with. This is literally their first time trying to breach into the JP market.

>>67426687
Anon nobody is impressed by them getting 300ccv when it is just all general Phase fans.

They make no money for Phase because they dont have any of their own fans.

>>67426657
>failing hard
Vee is literally on their sixth gen due to how successful the project is.
Kohacat is literally streaming right now with 1,4k people watching.
https://youtu.be/XrSCjRUnr2k
If you think these numbers are bad, then you are brain has rotten with /#/'s talking about the absolute biggest players on the market.

>>67426938
>They make no money for Phase
What is memberships?
What is VOD views?
What is merch?
I doubt sakana would be willing to invest so much on a JP branch if the already existing JP members weren't making money.

>>67426938
>They make no money for Phase because they dont have any of their own fans.
0/10
They actually made their investment back in their first half year and they make enough money. Did you know that Phase no longer pays them minimum guaranteed salary because "it's not needed anymore"?

>>67425850
Indonesia has a population of around 80 million of english speakers.
Japan has a population of around 37 million of english speakers.
It's not that different, especially when you consider that most of the non-english speaking japanese people aren't even part of the target audience for vtubers.

>>67426961
did palworld cure her apex autism?

>>67423191
Their numbers would be even more abysmal without ads.
Also this is the idol journey. Starting somewhere from the bottom and rising up through hard work, perseverance, resourcefulness, tenacity, and talent. It was the same for Hololive back in the day.

>>67427551
You mean Ark autism, she played that for like a month straight.

>>67423191
The VshojoJP killers.

>>67428251
VshojoJP killed itself of natural causes.

>>67413610
i thought the ads are working because their PV has 200k+ views but their sub numbers says otherwise, the girls only has 3 digits jesas
everyone knows phase has no name in nipland but wonder what went wrong, no big rm reincarnation? bad timing? shibuya hates vtuber for whatever reason?

>>67427881
just like Phase Gen1. Gen2 and Gen3 don't know about the struggle they joined a ready made place

>>67427145
>>67427176
show me their supa totals
they should be available afterall they have been doing this for 3years. every gen1, gen2 invaders supas are known.

lets see how michiru, nasa, and iori's supas match up against the rest.

>>67428612
VEE only succeeded because PL.

>>67428829
>moving goalposts
They don't need to make more than the rest of the company to make money for Phase.

>>67428612
People hit skip on ads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdgsr9QHfd8

>>67428829
It's obvious they have lower earnings than others, but your whole idea they failed is based on premise that they are not tracked because their earnings are low. They're not tracked because they're below Playboard's subscriber cut-off. Which, obviously, has no relation to how much they actually earn. Only failure here is you.

>https://playboard.co/en/about
>Video information are aggregated for channels with a minimum of 23,000 subscribers or 10,000,000 cumulative views.

How did she get away with getting plapped and still staying relevant?

>>67428829
here are the career phase supas
$387,000 - Pippa
$82,000 - Tenma
$81,500 - Lia
$53,600 - Airi
$44,000 - Shiina
$32,200 - Uruka
$27,700 - Dizzy
$23,500 - Panko
$21,700 - Hime
$21,300 - Erina
$13,400 - Remilia
$12,700 - Ember
$10,400 - Jelly
the rest are not registered. I would be shocked if Nasa/Michiru have made $10k in supas.

>>67428612
Fishman needs to get off his ass and hire Mel

>>67429344
White trash is completely ok with their girls getting it from niggers so naturally they see it as no big deal

>>67429600
this really puts into perspective how overpowered having Pippa is for Phase Connect
Lia doing as well as Tenma despite streaming less in a week than Tenma sometimes streams in a day is surprising, but Tenma also makes twitch money so that evens it out
Airi and Dizzy no surprise they are masters at manipulating their whales

that Pippa money makes moves like Japan less risky for Phase

>>67429252
Clara showing her true Beryl colors

>>67429600
what can be learned from this
>pippa make holo money
>the 3 non traditional vtubers in phase are their top 3
>airi is phase's scarle
>the musical talents in phase don't draw any money

>>67429902
Pippa is in top 40 most SC'd channels in 2023. She puts whole industry into perspective.

>>67424871
anything over 100 I think is great.
treat this branch as if it is a brand new company.

>>67429252
which ones are Beryl and Woozie?

>>67429940
I don't hear Beryl anywhere in the PV

>>67413535
Buy the coffee.

>>67413673
>>67413610
That's probably why they're advertising?

>>67415541
>sets wrong region
>ads appear on Filipino YouTube instead
imagine the chaos

>>67433639
Actually, you kinda can for like a few seconds. They're obviously hiding her true power for debut.

>>67413535
yes it is

>>67413535
Michiru and Lia have the best flavors as voted by koefficient

>>67418398
That's alot of words saying you don't know shit.

This thread ticks me off for the sole reason my oshi started bilingual streams and still inclined as an indie to the point where she held her own 3D concert. Plenty of EN lurking there as well. It's honestly all about exposure and the quality of the talent. Phase JP origins have had very extended hiatus due to studying and have never received focus. A JP gen with staff will change all that.

>>67418398
If the rrats are true about Beryl, then there's an EN streamer in the JP gen.

>How will Phase compete with big jap corpos like Niji
They’ll stream Palworld
>niji can’t
Every japanese and international company is allowed to stream palworld except niji
>b-but muh perms
Don’t apply to western companies.

>>67445315
Captcha ate my image

>>67445395
get your own content instead of chasing trends

>>67414563
they both live in SEA shitholes

>>67445472
I’m being serious here. This is an amazing stroke of luck that a JP gen with a big marketing budget can play Palworld near release in a time where the biggest JP corpo, Nijisanji is not allowing any of their livers from any of their branches to play it. This is huge.

>>67445395
>all the typical trends whores in Phase playing it
KWAB
I thought Phase's content was supposed to be different than other corpos? Same old shit.

>>67445315
>perms
JP is its own company and might have to adhere to perms... For Japanese publishers.

>>67446039
>a business with 5 employees and 27 contractor-streamers and 10 contractor-artists counts as 2 companies
Any company can hire CONTRACT WORKERS from any other country. It’s still a candian company.
Tenma and Iori never ask for perms and it’s the same with the new JPs.

>>67446288
>Tenma and Iori
anon....

>>67446288
We don't actually know the administrative side of the JP branch, but we do know they act independently of EN sans fishman.

>>67446039
>google hired indians for tech support and therefore they must adhere to indian law
LMAO
Japan is a vassal state who submits to the international american standard after they lost the war and their emperor’s power disgrace. Weeaboos forget.

>>67446481
If Google wants to do business within India, yes, they must adhere to local laws for local businesses. Permissions autism isn't inherent in Phase's modus operandi, but they do need to adhere to it for Japanese companies within Japanese soil. This means draconian publishers like Nintendo and Sega who WILL copyright strike you if you don't have perms. I am certain the same does not apply to companies outside Japan, such as Microsoft and Epic Games who aren't retarded enough to copyright strike over a let's play.

If palworld spam is the small price to pay for nijisanji taking another L, then I support it.

are there any Phase girls that don't have Palworld on the schedule this week? I will watch them out of principle.

>>67446920
t. Poo in loo

Im just waiting for the inevitable shitstorm since some of the phase jp shillers have been pretty retarded and have astroturfed sites that discuss chronoir or kuzuha