/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Mayuzumi Kai leaving is the biggest sign that it cannot be salvageable.

Not without something major like a manger being caught in a romantic relationship with a streamer that would force Niji to acknowledge its terrible management.

No. It's been over since ILUNA.

beyond saving

>>67428793
What happened with that?

Even if they fired all their faggots they still have a radioactive clique, their fans are shit tier as well, and there's also the management that holds them back as well.
They can only retreat EN into JP at this point.

>>67428740
Nijie.
Delenda.
Est.

>>67428740
>vshitshow niggers falseflagging as holobronies

>>67428740
No, even with a complete revamp of management which is by far their biggest issue, they are stuck with the worst toxic subhumans as fans. And those fans are not going to leave; if any of the yabs up until now haven't driven them off, nothing will.
Besides, despite everything NijiEN is still a money making machine. It is obvious that they don't need to change a thing.

by posting a picture of Nijisanji, what you meant to say was Nijisanji EN, right? because Nijisanji is doing fine.

Th JP side? that place already reached Pokemon, League of legends, etc. tier status, too big to fail on japan. In five more years though, none of the Nijis you know will be there.
The EN side, that place is connected to an IV drip bag, even 2views and 3views make fun of joining Niji now, their reputation precedes them and pretty much became a meme. New talents who exit unceremoniously will be met with "told you so".

>>67429083
Repeat that phrase to a bronze age human and their brain would explode

>>67428740
Sure, just close EN

>>67428864
He was very popular in JP and was one of the most creative but he said the company's direction had changed and decided to leave.

>>67429083
Actually, it's more likely to a phase fan. They often admit to stirring the pot.

>>67428740
Just debut a chuuba everyone likes and people will forget.

>>67429322
>aries worshipping dark folk masquerading as noble zeus followers

>>67429763
Not even that will salvage them. They manage to turn their most recent megastar who practically a one-woman army against Holo into another sub 10k shitter.

>>67428740
Save Sanbaka and Mito, leave the rest behind.

>>67430619
Who?

>>67428740
I think we're past the point of no return now.
>No longer the "cash cows" that they once were so the main brass doesn't really give a rrats ass about them anymore besides trying to squeeze as much money as they can from sponsors and fans alike
>The clique is too ingrained within NijiEN now so nothing short of completely nuking the branch will remove their stench
>The amount of money, time, and effort that's needed from both the talent and management side to get their reputation back to even just neutral will be expensive (3d live concerts, losing face by publically addresing the current dumpsterfire that the branch is in, speeding up 3d debuts for the rest of them).
They needed to course correct HARD after the failure that was iLuna. At the time, even the idea that a homostar EN gen could be "competitive" with a new Niji wave, especially with those ugly ass models, was laughable. The fact that it did happen should have set off alarm signs at NijiEN HQ. Nowadays, the clown can go toe to toe with a normal Vox stream on a good day.

>>67430717
Salami

>>67428740
They not only tried to chase after an illusion with attempting to remake Luxiem's success but also threw away their original "just be kinda like HoloEN only more chill" Lazusydia approach entirely in the process and the more a fan you were of the original waves it seemed the more glee they took in killing that in front of your eyes and bathing in its blood.

Now that it's abundantly clear they lost that Chinese audience, and as people were saying here the whole time the males still weren't actually-that successful in the West and they were just overinflated in numbers and income by fujos/yumes? They so thoroughly desecrated their original fans they had not much to fall back on. Hence the numbers of a lot of the mainstay girls actually went down over the last year, not up, despite the dudes' numbers going utterly Titanic level sinking as well. In the end they wound up with not much besides a thin crust of people who claim to be "the supermajority" of twitter creatures who of course give like 1/10th as much effort into actually watching streams vs the shit they talk on social media.

>>67430956
Luxiem will forever be the greatest scam that ever happened to western chuba landscape.

The butterfly effect of their entire existence is insane.

Of course, we just have to fire all of NijiEn's managers

>>67428740
Gura just needs to be taken down and we'll win

>>67431063
It was a fucking weird time man. You suddenly had every small corpo debuting a male group of their own while their main stay female talents tried to guilt trip their fans to watching them. I might be misremembering but I think there was a small corpo that did exactly that and the dudes ended up just bailing on them (I think one of them had a legit health condition) a few months later leaving the girls with a diminished fanbase (which is even more grim since this is a small corpo we're talking about here)

>>67430956
Fucking this. While HoloEN felt too fake and VShojo felt too trashy, NijiEN hit all the right notes of a relaxing stream and a chaotic while the collabs were just genuinely fun to watch.
I honestly forgot Nijisanji was a fucking awful company until they kneeled to China and treated their original 10 as expendables.
I doubt it'll happen, but I hope Elira will just take Rosemi, Enna, and Millie away from NijiEN and start their own indie grew because fuck management.

>>67431642
indie group* after Selen graduates*

>>67428740
EN? No. JP? Thriving.

>>67428740
JP supposedly still does okay, it’s just everything else sucks, Niji likely will never have the growth it once had in the west ever again unless theres some serious management restructuring. It’s a shame really, I like some of their talents, even some of the males, but I struggle to get invested in NijiEN when it feels like anybody could graduate at any moment. Nijifags are pulling their hair out over these graduations and I don’t want to subject myself to that even if some of the talents are cool to me.

>>67432032
Trust Millie anon, the night is darker before the dawn...or something.
NijiEN will be the blackest branch before they finally become an actual alternative to HoloEN again

I am fascinated by the fact that despite being the number two in every Vtuber fans' heads, Anycolor is actually worth more than Hololive by more than $380 mil usd.
Uh, anyways, to answer your question, presumably for EN, yeah, but they won't

>>67432032
>Niji likely will never have the growth it once had in the west ever again unless theres some serious management restructuring.
After the situation with Pomu and Selen, it's pretty much impossible for them to grow in the West anymore now that the average normie is aware that they're a black company, something the rest of us known for years way before the EN branch debuted.

Unless they get their own EN viral equivalent to Salome, they're screwed in the West.

>>67429565
>>67428864
and better yet he said this as he was graduating. One month later they skinwalked him anyways for some promotion.

>>67432298
>Unless they get their own EN viral equivalent to Salome, they're screwed in the West.
I mean for that to happened, they need to actually have a decent popularity in the first place just like the main Niji back then with Salami. With how things are going in NijiEN right now, the window of oppurtunity for that to happen has long been passed

>>67432268
>Number two
It's not even universal. They're number three if we talk about non-JP market.

>>67428740
No

>>67432268
Eh, not that weird. Xbox, by virtue of being under MS and being the first out of the 3 big console makers to monetize online made waaaay more money during the 360 era than either PS and Nintendo. And this was despite them being number 2 in sales vs the Wii and later number 3 after the PS 3 caught up to them in launch aligned sales.

>>67432298
I don’t think it’s impossible, but I don’t think they can just rely on the benefits of being a popular brand anymore. Companies like Holo are popular and have a generally positive reputation, as a result they don’t have to work nearly as hard to get viewers as some other corpos do. I think Niji will have to look to smaller corpos for their business strategy in the future, with a heavier focus on advertising and gaming the algorithm. Niji potentially has the resources to make a comeback, but they’ll never hold a new audience if the current problems in NijiEN remain unchanged.

>>67428740
The problem starts from the top. And he sees no problem.
Nijifans can keep boasting about his profits.

>>67428740
No. Not even the JP side. I know anons frown on numberfagging outside of numbers, but fact is Riku loves his numbers, and even their JP side has been sliding, and doesn't look like they have any plans to course correct. Events are getting scrapped. Event organisers like Maimoto are dipping out indefinitely. What events are left are falling short. Their daily activity doesn't even hold a candle to HoloJP anymore. So far the money is still good on the JP side as seen in their financial reports, but that might change in a few quarters.
More likely that Riku is looking to exit now instead of fixing the sinking ship, as he's done in past business ventures.

>>67428740
they can always allow their members to go to chaturbate

>>67432537
...both as I perceive it and by private valuations, Vshojo is smaller than Hololive and Nijisanji

>>67428740
just axe the girls and rebrand into a bishounen branch like the management wants to since luxiem exploded

>>67428740
Riku left them to their own devices. Just another soulless Japanese corpo living off its glory years.

>>67432934
>Riku is looking to exit now instead of fixing the sinking ship
This may potentially be a good thing though. It’s been pretty apparent that Riku is at best an absent CEO who only exists to farm free money, if he leaves then maybe Niji can get someone with some actual ambition to take control and solve some of the companies core issues. It’s also just as likely that Niji gets a CEO that does more of the same, but I’d hate to see a corpo with as much impact as Niji drift into irrelevance.

>>67431332
Prism

>>67432934
My favorite streamer in NijiJP went from having just under 1k live viewers to having less than 500 on average.

>>67428740
No, we’ve passed that point long ago.

>>67433687
The main issue is that even if he leaves and the whole entire management is overhauled, he's still an investor and owner with a sizable amount of stock. He would be able to cash out a good portion of what he owns and still own enough to direct influence over the company for years to come.

>>67431063
So many weird little male gens shat out all over the landscape to fucking die because of Luxiem's ephemeral hype. Forever ruining the unicorn/idolfag appeal of certain corpos for absolutely zero gain.
Even Cover got swept up in it until they realized how badly they were fucking up, fired Omega, and course corrected.

>>67431332
>>67433956
Oh shit now I just remember that his female colleagues even begged their viewers to help him reach the threshold for youtube monetization.

>>67434001
who?

>>67434964
One of the males still stuck around but his viewership has been mixed, sometimes hes low 2view and other tines hes mid-high 2view. He did eventually did reach monetization but he is pretty niche, pretty funny dude but his focus on fps kinda filters me.

>>67428740
The newest wave is evidence that it's 100% over for NijiEN
They haven't done anything wrong or been involved in any controversies, but they're doing horribly just because they're associated with the Nijisanji brand
NijiEN's reputation is so toxic now that it actively hurts their talents' chances of success

>>67428740
they would have to do a complete management overhaul, and give their talent their play buttons just to for pr reasons.

>>67435861
Victoria collabed with males and her viewership died

>>67432268
It really depends on how you measure popularity. Anycolor are ahead on revenue, but narrowly, and the gap is closing. Meanwhile Cover are ahead on average viewers, total viewers, biggest streams of the year, and physical event attendance. It's pretty clear hololive has been more popular for years now, they've just struggled to turn that into money, partly because their merch operation is a shitshow.

>>67436778
I'm looking at the numbers and they're showing steep decline shortly after debut (normal) and after that a steady downward trend. I don't think anything specific killed it, people are just leaving.

>>67434956
If anything Cover were the most prone to being swept up in the delusions. There was always a loud minority in the EN fanbase that wanted holostars in English, and it's the CEO's pet project. They didn't pull the trigger earlier because everyone could see nobody in the west watched male vtubers, but Luxiem seemed to disprove that if you didn't look too closely. And starsEN didn't even do too badly to begin with, it all went to shit when they started trying to force them on holoEN viewers and the backlash was so extreme it made them pariahs (probably because people saw how that went with NijiEN).

>>67431642
Wdym "holoEN felt too fake"?

>>67428740
Saving EN would require firing all the management, hiring new ones, reevaluating their current talent and probably canning 2/3rds of them. Too much effort for a slop factory.

>>67438643
It was a common complaint that hololive were too focused on kayfabe and doing idol stuff instead of just streaming video games. Which is, you know, the point of vtubers, but western tastes do seem to lean more towards "streamer with anime jpeg" rather than portraying a character.

>>67428740

>>67439061
Ahh, that, I see now, tnx.

>>67428740
yeah desu invest now while the stocks are low

>>67438643
they're LARPing as JP holomembers who can be as close with each other as they want, have offcollabs on a whim, support each other in their work doing concerts. But ENs live fucking half the globe apart from each other, yet they're still "idols" and if necessary will have some nips wear their skin in the event of a concert and everyone will pretend they're really there, but you can tell they don't sound convincing at all when they try to talk in "real time" between songs. Plus their managers are more sticklers about stupid kayfabe, resulting in the culmination of it being the Nick Jr. program that is Fuwamoco. That's my interpretation anyways.

>>67430956
"the males still weren't actually-that successful in the West and they were just overinflated in numbers and income by fujos/yumes"
wait why don't fujos/yumes count? if there's a lot of them and they have money they're making their oshis successful.

>>67432032
>JP supposedly still does okay,
Nah things are stirring up in the jp side as well. Chihiro which is one of the 1st waves is graduating and has been very open about being a vtuber after her graduation something not even Gundou said since its impolite for them.

>>67439820
>wait why don't fujos/yumes count? if there's a lot of them and they have money they're making their oshis successful.
because Chinese fujos and yumes are one of the most fickle people and will drop you with no apparent reason.

>>67439670
hololive does not hire stand-ins, it's always the talents performing. I challenge anyone who believes otherwise to watch any performance where Ina attempts to dance. Of course it's been a common shitpost/anti tactic for years to argue otherwise since it's impossible to prove (unless you apply basic logic like asking why they'd spend 15 million dollars on a studio and fly people to Japan just to have professionals pretend to be bad instead).

>>67440300
its a common shitpost tactic because nijisanji jp members have gone on record to say that niji hire skinwalkers for their concerts since the vtubers themselves dont want to sing and dance

>>67428740
Isaiah 61:3
yes, but to give life to something righteous we must burn it down to ashes. Make it become fertilizer for something new.

>>67440440
Ah that Ange clip right?

>>67439670
Funny about you crying about kayfabe when NijiEN was playing their little game of "family" until they started backstabbing each other kek. Basically in your own word, they are both fake and trashy.

>>67434956
>Even Cover got swept up in it until they realized how badly they were fucking up, fired Omega, and course corrected.
Cover just debuted another male gen, the fuck are you talking about? They're STILL obsessed with trying to make Holostars EN work.

>>67429271
very cute of you, expecting catalog sisters to know that anything outside NijiEN exists

>>67432032
>JP supposedly still does okay, it’s just everything else sucks
yeah revenue wise they are doing okay.
but last year event event are sucks.
no marika, no nju, low effort new year countdown. they also losing maimoto which im sure he definitely wont comeback because his doctor told him to retire but hes still stubborn not to

>>67441873
They're wrong, though, anyone who actually follows the JP side knows they've had problems for longer than EN. They're just slower-burning and more insidious problems. The company is still making money cranking out merch but the actual stream content that drives people to be interested is slowly dying.

>>67430701
Not even sparing the JK Gumi? Noraneko? Chronoir? Shachou? Fuwa? Kaida? Leos? Fuck off.

>>67442265
do you think vcr also contribute to stop people watching niji? i mean they are sharing their fans to other people, its especially bad because popular livers participate.

>>67431332
Anon you have your timeline horrible mixed up, and you are sorely confused about the numbers. Luxiem debuted 2 years ago. This small corpo male debuted 6 months ago. There is no way you can blame "a weird time" on this error. It was sheer stupidity from a new management. Two males debuted in that gen. One was a fujobaiter (he bailed). The other is still doing ok for himself as a small corpo male because he's inoffensive and just a nice guy who likes games and that's it.

rosemi literally just saved nijisanji while you fags were here arguing

>>67442954
the girls' numbers were unaffected by his leaving too, because his only viewers were the few fans of both girls and guys who stuck around.

>>67440440
Not surprising that some of them hire stand-ins, but don't forget Hayato Kagami's 3D debut. That was all him and his own band

>>67438643
>Wdym "holoEN felt too fake"?
Returning anon here. It's mainly how they basically put on a show for their audience to focus on entertaining them while NijiEN interacts with their audience far more.
Plus collabs felt more natural. Not just in "two random people getting along better" sort've way, but how they could be more spontaneous since someone popping up in someone else's stream happened pretty often. Like the sensation is the EN branch felt like one big clubhouse party that happened 24/7, for the first year or 2 at least.
Neither methods are bad and I like both groups, it's just I preferred NijiEN's method of vtubing before management fucked things over to shill to some nerd girls from china.

>>67434964
Knew they added males at one point but begging viewers to give their unpopular male vtubers watch hours is a new all time low for cuck project
Even kson friends era Yura never told her cucks to watch her jp homos kek

>>67434964
That was corpo suicide. Made me drop 2 girls not even out of anger at homos, the entire thing was just surreal

So I'm watching the hololive main channel collab right now. How does hololive do it? Get their talents to be genuinely excited about their company and its programs, I mean. Niji almost never promotes anything but merch and when they do, whichever livers they roped into it always sound miserable.

>>67448008
they actually get a decent cut from merch, so of course they're excited about it

>>67441232
They are just refilling the empty slots, they already have the more expensive part that are all of the background necessary. I don't think they intend on actually increasing the size of it in the foreseeable future.

>>67448008
>whichever livers they roped into it always sound miserable
What 2% does to MFs.

>>67428740
Nothing is unsalvageable. But the longer they keep fucking up without fixing the problem the harder it will be to fix. Don't ask me how they unfuck themselves though. I don't think that is possible. All they can do is fix the problems and cut their losses and hope time, transparency and regaining trust will heal their wounds over time.

I don't have very high hopes. All Corporations nowadays seem to have the "can't do no wrong Disease." Niji especially included.

>>67431642
>Fucking this. While HoloEN felt too fake and VShojo felt too trashy, NijiEN hit all the right notes of a relaxing stream and a chaotic while the collabs were just genuinely fun to watch.
And now another up and rising corp has stolen this feeling. it will be hard to get it back.

>>67431140
Not only is that impossible (Gura can't even take herself out.)
I don't see how Gura has anything to do with NIJI at all. If anything the lack of her streaming should mean more opportunity for Niji.

>>67455208
This. You niggas were Gura-free for more than half a year and you STILL floundered. Maybe it's time to accept that hololive isn't what's holding Nijisanji back.

>>67440440
Nijiniggers and projecting name a more iconic duo

>>67428740
>Le Retard De Vox Akuma
>2%
>Golden yacht
>high turn over rate
>Zaion termination
>Privating Selen's cover + suspension
>denying Pomu's once in a lifetime opportunity, causing her to leave
>graduation is the main content
Yeah, they are TOTALLY salvageable! Believe it!

>>67445176
What is this load of nonsense? "Natural"? You must be delusional.

>>67431642
This kinda reads like a typical nijisister post.

>>67442972
She saved nothing. Pomu and Selen were the only talents keeping the yacht afloat and now they are both gone. NijiEN is as good as dead at this point.

>>67431642
The Golden 20 was real, or at leat the start before the fall. I honestly think Niji got too big quantity grind vs quality support.

>>67436778
management mandated collab, you mean. her subtle refusal to off collab with that creep luca says a lot about her than the other nijigirls who did end up collabing with him for unknown reasons.

>>67428740
No.
Everyone worth watching left or was fired.

>>67448008
Unlike Kurosanji, Hololive pays their talents well.

>>67428740
No

>>67428740
No but I'll still happily watch in the meantime, and then joyously laugh when it shuts down.

>>67442773
Holy ESL, Batman!

>>67438643
Until Advent debuted, HoloEN never felt like what the original audience required - HoloJP style chuubas that speak English
HoloEN was designed for EOP consumption, but Myth had Mori on her high horse and Kiara on her low, insecure one for most of the first year, so there was very little of the "togetherness" that HoloJP had.
The banning of collabs with Coco, the relatively late debut of council and the generally insular nature of the branch while being extremely awkward in full gen collabs meant that a lot of fans were dissatisfied with the Myth experience.
This is why there was a subsection of holo fans that watched early NijiEN for a while, for that "box" vibe that you get from JP.

>>67459438
There have been gay people in Nijisanji before Uki, anon

>>67458308
>The Golden 20 was real
No it wasn't. It all went downhill pretty fast after Luxiuem. And i'm not being anti-male or Unicorn. They were going full fujobait and it attracted the worst kind of fans you can attract.

>>67428740
You mean salvage the wreck for spare parts?
Rich fucks will pay millions for good organs.

>>67430734
Bettel stonks up!
He’s also much happier than the pile of misery that is vox, even if bettel has nausea and can’t get a doctor.

>>67432934
The Splatoon comparison is garbage since it went from essentially a full Nijisanji tourney to a 16 people custom. Of course you could argue that scaling down like this is a consequence of there being too many people in the first place.
>NJU and marika
Management sucks and only cares about making money.
>Koushien
Living up to 2022 wasn't really realistic.
>Mahjong
Actual decline.
>retired livers
90% of those are foreigners.

>>67442972
What a cute VShojo recruit.

>>67464562
they tanked well their livers in 2023.
but i think 2024 is graduation year for niji

>>67428740
Ever since the canceled AR, they could see how it affected the talents. Causing dissension in the air.
But they don't give a fuck, since they see talents as disposable. It's how wage slave corps run beholden to their shareholders. Why stocks go up on layoffs with increased bonuses to the CEO. They don't invest for the long term growth.

>>67428740
It is very salvagable, but its going to take a buyout to do it

>>67428740
Most things are salvageble. However Niji is currently still sinking, so the rescue operation can't start until they hit the bottom.
Which would require them to get bought out and taken private, fire most if not all managerial positions and make a complete restructuring of the entire company. Alongside a extensive PR campaign where they reassure the public that they can trust them.

>>67468847
Anon, the bottom in this case is closing the branch. Can't recover from that.

>>67428740
They should start by cutting their relationship with Bilibili in amicable terms.

>>67458262
>he missed the karaoke
sad

>>67466080
it wasn't cancelled anon, it was downright fake lmao

>>67472997
It really is incomprehensible. Any problem big enough to cause the whole thing to be cancelled days later should have been obvious before they even announced it. I also still think the holoEN concert got leaked to them somehow and the AR live was a reaction to it.

>>67473517
what do you mean incomprehensible. Most of the people that got announced still hasn't gotten their 3D model a year later. Aint no way they were going to get everyone their 3D models, record and editing in 2 months.

Hololive has everyone with their 3D models already, with years of experience and they already had to start doing recording for holofes now, aka 2 months in advance.

It was fake in the get go. Why do they fake it? Probs getting scared of holoEN concert. Also wouldn't be surprised if it was contract negotiation tactics, get everyone to extend contract by promising new shiny concert, everyone signed, bam concert cancelled.

>>67473836
There's just no scenario that makes sense. Knowingly lying about it would just make them look bad. If they actually intended to do the event then it shouldn't have been announced if there was still any ambiguity about any part of the production, show-stoppers don't just appear overnight if you're actually prepared. They've run events before so we know they're more competent than that.

>>67428740
In Japan? Maybe.
In China? Probably.
In the West? Hahahaha nope shits fucked cunt RIP no more playbuttons for yachts here

>>67474000
NTA but anon makes sense. Normally announcing a 3D live would mean the 3D models were either close to completion or ready to be used. When the 3D live was cancelled, the hypothesis that there was some other logistical issue was still valid.
It has been almost a year since it was cancelled, yet there has been not a single peep about any of the participating livers debuting a 3D model. Why did they have the balls to announce the 3D live, yet a year later have none of the models deployed still? The livers have already flown to Japan so them not being there to use the models is clearly not the problem

>>67442972
The problem is Rosemi is so fucking boring, any time she's tried to attempt anything unique it's been cringey and boring as hell.

She can't keep an audience. The only people who watch her religiously are her autistic simps.

>>67474177 (me)
The crazy thing is, I didn't even consider the 3D live being a fake event a possibility until it was brought up itt, but the shoe 100% fits. Until Anycolor provides an explanation, I genuinely think this is the most probable reason.

>>67474219
holoseethe

>>67464562
NJU and Marika were originally projects by two people who don't really want to bother organizing it again because the events ballooned too much and the company won't just steal it from them. But of course they're never gonna tell this to the investors

>>67474000
It happened in april, Mysta & Nina graduated around july, contract negotation with both probably failed at this point
Then pomu & other were on their ass about not having a 3D model and threatened mass graduation. They faked that shit, get them signed for another year and then deal with it later is my rrat.
If you don't buy my rrat, feel free to think whatever, but one year later nothing happened clearly indicate it was as real as Selen's video not getting perms.

>>67474496
Your rrat did not skip leg day, thanks for opening my third eye anon

>>67474496 (me)
It's pretty normal for in case of a company-wide strike, the company offer a short-term solution that pleases everyone, then weed out and alienate all the "problematic individuals" and bring the rest into being obedience.

>>67474000
i don't know how many of them it affected, but secret gc suspensions messing up the schedule still seems like one of the only explanations that work

>>67428793
yup

>>67428740
No, the end goal of all public share companies is to sooner or later sacrifice long term stability and growth for the short term shareholder profits.

>>67431642
Eh...drop Enna then we can talk

>>67475021
it has been 1 year anon, what kinda scheduling do you think isn't resolved within a year

>>67433306
Isn't that the VShojo route?

>>67429271
Considering Koshien, the biggest niji event of the year, lost nearly 35% of its audience compared to last year (all the while using copious amounts of portuguese bots) I think it is safe to say NijiJP is also on a sharp decline

Who even has the most CCV in nijien with Selen and Pomu gone, Rosemi? Elira?

>>67428740
>Is it salvageable?
Don't worry she will salvage as much as she can

>>67482372
Yes, it's Melody's home turf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ_fmCVQomY

>>67484332
Kek

>>67484194
On the girls-side, only Elira can reliably break 2k (w/o raids) now.

>>67484770
not even Enna? I remember her being crazy strong at some point

>>67484813
Most of her 2k+ streams come from being raided. Natural 2ks are not as common for her now

>>67484966
man, she really fell off. She used to be top tier.

Am I really seeing people blame Prisms decline on males, maybe they should take a look at the real problem, they went anti unicorn. Without them going anti unicorn, they wouldnt haven gotten males in the first place. Your girls going anti unicorn is the first sign that your corpo might get males. Another sign is an overly ambitious CEO. I think people need to look to anime to see why females are more popular. There are over 10x more popular waifus gachas compared to husbando ones. Why? Because single males are more likely to spend on waifus. Vtubers attract the same crowd

>>67428740
Sure, but it'd need some serious restructuring when it comes to management and procedures, and negotiations with the talents regarding their cuts.

>>67485140
If it was all just lonely dudes then the regular streaming scene wouldn't be dominated by male streamers.

>>67428740
Way too much bad publicity at this point, also you would need to change basically all the top brass to make any significant change.

>>67432934
>>67468847
>>67482655
>>67440082
how do people still peddle about this bullshit? anycolor makes most of their money with JP and they are making more each year. JP isnt declining at all. Stop looking at viewership and thinking it represents everything when the relevant aspects of a branch and a company is revenue and profit, which in this matter, they are up there in the industry. viewership will vary over the years for different factors and even revenue, but if you are stable in it it wont matter.

Lastly, while there is graduations, the vast majority of JP are members from 2018/2019 with almost 80 members out of 124 being from those years. Chihiro graduated 6 years after joining so dont act like this is something bad, its normal even and shouldnt be seen as bad. 6 years is already an insane amount of time. Graduations will always happen, what they need and do is maintain most of the members.

>>67441937
>revenue wise theyre doing okay
>biggest revenue of the industry
you retards can hate nijisanji and still be real

>>67490470
The money comes from viewers and fans, anon. They can't keep squeezing more money out of fewer viewers forever, especially when some of their best talent is burning out and quitting.

>>67428740
If Ars Almal graduates then Nijisanji is truly unsalvageable.

>>67428740
>Is it salvageable?
How do you salvage something that was completely broken to begin with?

>>67493500
guess you read everything i said and didnt interpret anything. viewership still is extremely high, so are revenue. the company wont be affected over this and has a zero chance of closing or even going in red at this point.

>>67428740
They just have to release 20 more waves before they can be considered anywhere near "salvageable"

>>67494086
Well it's working for them, isn't it?

>>67429083
>Being this much of a Phasefag

>>67493970
Yeah, they're still making money. The bigger a company is, the longer it takes for fuckups and mismanagement to have a visible impact. That doesn't mean they don't have a lot of problems.
Their big events are doing worse than they used to. They've only had one really successful debut in 2 years, who they immediately fumbled. A number of their most influential older members either burned out or quit. All of their overseas branches are dying or already dead. You can't seriously argue they don't have problems or that they can just ride out those problems forever.

>>67494502
>spend a bunch of money recruiting about 5-7 people
>they make Riku more money for a month or two
>just enough for him to pay the bills
>something happens
>one or two of them graduate
>repeat ad-infinitum
waste of money and time on both parties.

>>67494803
>spend a bunch of money recruiting about 5-7 people
The livers have to pay for their own models and assets. Also Nijisanji doesn't pay for hardware, so that's on the liver as well. Even if they graduate like Zaion Niji hasn't lost a cent. The only real costs for them are managers and those are probably paid in peanuts.

>>67495772
Oh that's right, what a fucking shit company.

>>67484194
Vox.

>>67496045
Vox hasn't streamed in a month. And his last stream was only 2k

>>67428740
NijiEN will suffer the same fate as NijiID (except their suffering will be deserved, unlike ID)

>>67428793
Man........ that nearly crushed my last sliver of hope for NijiJP........... we need to save JKgumi bros.............

>>67428835
They should hire Riro for teh lolz

>>67431642
Agreed until you said Enna.

>>67442972
Whatever nijinigger. Hope she graduates <3

>>67442972
Rosemi is pretty good, it's a shame she's stuck in that hateful company.

>>67494786
> They've only had one really successful debut in 2 years,
not true. ranunculus, voltaction, idios, edengumi, salome are all successful debuts in different sizes.
they have problems like any company do but it doesnt mean its something that will risk the existence of their main branch at all.

>>67495772
>>67495827
what the fuck are you talking about? of course they pay for the models, how do you think they own them? live2d and concept and character design is all paid by them. the only thing they dont pay is for debut which never has been a problem until nijien existed as everything always was done in a simple and efficient way without having to do anything expensive.

>>67497871
Not our fault Japanese people will eat any garbage up while EN members actually have to put on a show to gain an audience.

>>67497931
considering how a bunch of nijien did things with less than $200, not sure about that

>>67429273
>none of the Nijis you know will be there.
not even mito?

>>67474177
>>67474496
>>67475021
actually a good theory and can also be supplemented by the fact that some of the smaller jp livers last year commented that the 3d department has been bottlenecked since the start of the year with work to the point that they told their viewers to not expect anything from them or the smaller livers in terms of new 3d stuff or updates which fits on how pomus 3d repair had no eta until her graduation announcement

>>67498448
that anon is very retard because i doubt they will lose 124 members in 5 years. JP never had more than 6 graduations per year and the worst year was 2019 for it

>>67439061
It's a shit take that only the Niji crowd endorsed. Healthy kayfabe is important to restrict parasocialism funny enough. Instead the West know has a population of delusional lonely fucks that lust after the person themselves when its all an act, even if they share a bit more information about themselves.
You can imagine these girls being your girlfriend but its pants on head retarded to think you are in one without ever having a physical connection. That's why the fantasy is important, any other person who takes it further than entertainment is honestly on the losing side of the balance.

>>67497780
>ranunculus, voltaction, idios, edengumi
they are successful if you compare them to indies or smaller corpos which is a retarded comaprison
compared to their peer all of them a abject failures

>>67497780
I mean someone that could conceivably equal Mayuzumi or Maimoto or Touya in importance, either by having a big solo audience or being able to put on events that get eyeballs on more members. Someone who has a solo audience of a few thousand viewers is very successful by general streamer standards, but they're not going to contribute to network effects in the same way.
Salome is a particularly stupid example because she had a comically gigantic debut audience and they just sort of sat around until it disappeared instead of trying to get those people watching everyone else.

>>67490470
>Chihiro graduated 6 years after joining so dont act like this is something bad, its normal even and shouldnt be seen as bad. 6 years is already an insane amount of time. Graduations will always happen, what they need and do is maintain most of the members.
Agreed but you know what is not normal especially in nijsanji? Its someone hinting that they will be streaming after they graduate in nijsanji which is what chihiro did. Not even gundou was that blatant or risky which tells you a lot of the state of the company.

>>67499167
>trying to get those people watching everyone else
but those people did watch someone else though only problem was that it was pekora because nijisanji was to retarded on their branding with salome and a lot of people though she was a holo

>>67498745
>which fits on how pomus 3d repair had no eta until her graduation announcement
Her 3D was never repaired. The Home3D they gave her was the one they had been holding back on almost all year

>>67499920
Ah damn I thought the 3d she used was the actual one and not the home 3d

>>67500013
The her 3D model at NijiFes was unchanged from the 3D model seen at AX in July (complete with glitchy wings)

>>67428740
nop, never, didnt even for the money, at this point you can be more successful as an indie.

>>67499146
>>67499167
All of those I mentioned are members who stream constantly above 1k and Salome is by all means still one of their most popular members. Toru is a 4-5k streamer, lauren is a 10k streamer. Not everyone need to be in the same size and the vast majority became at least above 1k-2k in average.
>>67499280
sure, but that doesnt change that shes quitting 6 years after it. why do we act like this is some crime? when are we going to see vtuber agencies like any job where we join and we quit? 6 years in any company would be big.
>>67500750
none of those would be successful as indie without having joined nijisanji so your point is moot. theres a reason to join agencies, its to have networking and get more popular, so be it remaining or leaving, you have an advantage of being more popular than when you joined.

>>67501357
>sure, but that doesnt change that shes quitting 6 years after it. why do we act like this is some crime? when are we going to see vtuber agencies like any job where we join and we quit? 6 years in any company would be big.
Nobody is questioning her quitting they are questioning why she is hinting of streaming after nijisanji when none of the past livers have done so

>>67428740
I don't think it's possible but we can start by culling all of EN as blood sacrifice.
If Zaion confirming they aren't allowed to play Hogwarts is a valid termination bullet point, how soon will Victoria be graduating for confirming that Palworld is blocked to this twitch chat on her official account?

>>67502862
probably because she doesnt care?

>>67503231
And that doesnt sound any alarms bells to you?
Are you the same anon who said Mayuzumi was useless and a deadweight who can be easily replaced back in 2022 by any chance?

>>67503597
No, I'm not. I do consider mayu important, but financially probably not because niji made more money.
chihiro hinting at it isnt much different than others my point is mainly taht we should accept that vtubers can quit a job. the company wont die because of it

>>67504821
>chihiro hinting at it isnt much different than others
in jp? not really
not even gundou was that open about it and she probably had the biggest gripe in recent niji history

>>67496281
>spoiler
they also deserved it
ID managers that considered amazing by ID livers is actually dogshit because they turn blind eye or even supports the big cosplay clique. this clique makes trying to grow feels awkward because they ghosts anyone in ID who has bigger numbers than them, hana is the prime example of this
not all non clique member in ID are based enough like mika and bon to give 0 fucks about them and keep growing

>>67501357
>having joined
nobody is talking about that intern-kun, but thanks for accepting they are successful as indies, you are so helpful kek.

>>67428740
No

>>67500750
Haha. Yeah, I'm sure they're more successful now, specially Gibara lmao

>>67428740
once they start making banger debut songs again they should recover somewhat. Xsoleil's song was pretty forgettable and then they just stopped. Even Iluna had a pretty darn good one

>>67509652
I mean accoring to gunddou they are earning as much as the top jp liver

>>67498448
Doesn't she stream only 2-5 times a month already since july 2022.

>>67498096
I love how sisters are like "you shouldn't try so hard and spend a lot of money on your debut" implying that Niji not funding their debuts is a good thing

>>67502917
She probably won't get terminated by this alone. But until then...
Favoritism in my NijiEN? Say it ain't so

EN branch really was a flash in the pan in hindsight

>>67487100
different audiences, do you think kai cenat viewers watch valkyrae? hell most holo fans dont watch nijisanji

>>67512448
I don't believe that every lonely guy who chooses live streams as an outlet for female attention happens to suddenly develop a preference for 2D. There's plenty of female streamers doing that sort of cabaret club stream much more explicitly and they're nowhere near as popular as female vtubers. Even within the vtuber space, gaming and karaoke are usually more popular than chat streams.

>>67513012
People who watch vtubers are usually already into anime/manga in the first place.
It's a niche within a niche.
Lonely dudes who are specifically into anime.

>>67499371
>and a lot of people though she was a holo
wut
how fucking so?

>>67513425
That doesn't really address why the most popular vtubers are focused on gaming or music. Everyone knows who the "GFE" vtubers are and they're usually nowhere near the most popular.

>>67513596
we are talking about prism here mate. How many vtubers are sustainable through doing the same thing as the biggest vtubers?
You have to be special enough to carve out your own path (i.e. Pippa) or you treasure every whale you have.
(And this is not even mentioning most of those people are japanese and doesn't watch english streams)

>>67513596
the biggest twitch streamers are all GFE btw, Ironmouse, Shilily, etc.
Only fillian doesn't do GFE? Though her fans call themselves smackers or something since they fap to her, but she is considered unique and carved her own path.
Good luck fighting against holo for their audience.

>>67514384
>the biggest twitch streamers are all GFE btw, Ironmouse, Shilily, etc.

>>67428740

>>67428740
The EN side? NO

>>67514384
https://hololist.net/top/?platform=twitch
Damn, look at all that GFE up there

>>67517685
>nimu
AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>67514384
In what world is Iron Mouse GFE?

>>67513544
>Never collabed with other Nijisanji livers early on
>Cute girl
>Keeping up Kayfabe
>Large following
I can kind of see how they might've been confused. Same thing happens to Ui-mama and she doesn't even maintain kayfabe much.

>>67505946
i didnt accept anything, i just dont have this weird expectation that 1k ccv is indie, and thats the bare minimum because most of those are on at least 2k average

>>67511140
No, its me having watched nijisanji since 2019 knowing that debuts were done without hte need to spend a lot, even in en that was done.

>>67509916
>once they start making banger debut songs again
So never ever?

>>67511140
Nijinigger copium is a thing to behold

>>67428740
Don't want NijiEN to end.
Because those toxic fans that they bred will go somewhere.
Keep them contained, I say.

>>67521603
So tryharding your debut is bad?

>>67528222
yes, and it has no soul whatsoever. give me shu, lazulight, obsydia and vanta debuts in en all the time.

>>67530869
This is some insane nijicope to justify Niji not funding their livers properly and the livers being lazy as a consequence

>>67530869
Holos tryhard their debuts and they're the undisputed top corpo, how do you explain that

>>67528222
Yes. No one looks back to any vtubers top streams and thinks 'oh yeah, their debut, thats a stream you cant miss'. There are a few exceptions, but if your intent is to imitate korone debut then why the fuck are you spending time and money and preparing it. One can argue that idies need to do something to break out of 0view, but as a corpo you are guaranteed baseline viewership and should trust the ability of your actual content to propel you. Save the money for something that is actually memorable with your community like birthday or follower milestones.

>>67532435
Is a debut not a milestone? Should a liver not be happy to be able to debut and celebrate that occasion like they would their birthday or their 100k? That take just sounds like corporate brainrot to me