/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>67114540
Kek

>>67114360
The Nips have been suspecting him of using AI for a while, he has a history of tracing too
Look at the weirdly rendered handles as well

>>67114360
It's attached to the sides of her hips.

>>67114360
the seat is probably just obstructed by her bum and dress desu

>>67115954
Not even just the seat tho, look at the fucking rope/chain thing lmao

>>67115954
Is it resting under her spine that split out of her body?

>>67115954
that doesn't make sense given the perspective of the pic

>>67114540
Now show what he would like if he were black.

>>67114360
>>67115954
sorry but no one would ever draw chains like that, imagine using AI for a send off drawing
I used to look up to this guy, so depressing...

>>67114360
>>67118945
were those supposed to be chains? i tought it was rope, even if it is it still looks weird.
the balloons in this area look pretty sus to me too.

>>67114360
Probably couldn't finish in time and used rushed AI to finish it.

>>67114360
those are some weird chains

>>67114360
The Pomu? That's handdrawn
The Pomudachis? That's also handdrawn
The swings? Those are vines not chains, also handdrawn
The seat? That's an error, probably rushed the whole thing, but also handdrawn
The flowers in the background? 100% CSP assets
The balloons? 100% AI generated

>>67123197
Based, fuck backgrounds.

>>67114360
what do you mean? this is perfect so we can see all the good bits

>>67114360
Hands look like they were merged before editing too. I don't fault artists for using it but at least make it look less low effort.

>>67123197
The dress is ai based too, the ruffles and folds make no sense.
Any way I look at it, ai was used 2-3 times in the process of making this.

Another of their more recent submissions

>>67114360
It is scary when good artists know how to use AI. They can seamlessly integrate AI into their art, correct rendering mistakes manually, etc.

>>67127181
There's no consistency at all between these two pieces

>>67127181
Share link. I don't believe you
This looks 100% AI generated

>>67127446
https://twitter.com/kujouitiso/status/1679155797123792897

>>67127181
wtf

>>67114360
the balloons definitely have the "Ai sheen" to them but they look ultra generic enough for people to not give a shit
people only really have a melty when AI copies actual art styles from notable twitter artists

>>67114360
nah she can just hold onto those ropes like fucking tarzan

That's his style you retards.

>>67127909
pomu herself is hand drawn but the background is definitely some generated touched up shit

>>67127937
He was never good with backgrounds. I followed him from back in 2014 when I was super into kancolle and Shigure is my wife (still is).

>>67114360
Look at her right hand, between ring and pinky finger. Obvious AI work for the body, someone that puts that much care into the eye details would never color fill a hand like that without a touchup.

>>67115012
ive been saying it since his kiara fanart and got shat on for it here

>>67128065
based
>>67127909
as long as he's only training data on himself it's meh
he's obviously more of a character artist than anything else, i mean he got it right with pomu

Compare that to this, the background is definitely fake lol

>>67127336
he doesn't really do it well if it's this obvious, I don't understand why he doesn't hide it better, since he's capable of it.

>>67128279
Mariya's new model is pretty good. He mostly draws sprites anyway. Not to insult him or anything but even back in /jp/ during kancolle's prime years people have been calling him a hack.
I still feel very bad for him tho from looking at all of his tweets about Pomu.

>>67128435
hey it could be worse, i mean, he's far from the worst artist Kancolle has ever hired

>>67128473
i know hes controversial, but shibafu art is pure soul. and from a pure skill standpoint he's far from being the worst, just look at shobon for example.

>>67114360
What made you think that she is sitting on a seat and not holding on to this with her hands?

>>67123394
>fuck backgrounds
TASTELESS NIGGER

>>67114360
Who? Link to the original twit?

>>67114360
Literally all art he did of Pomu was AI retard

>>67127800
That hairpiece on the right looks like lazy copy paste in, it has no ambient shadow.

And if you look at the right eye, you can see a quick fix job where he overpainted the hair near the edge of the face with skin color, but didnt add hair lineart. This whole image looks like a very quick over paint.

>>67128730
Never4get

/vtai/ resident here, that's not AI art but i'm 98% sure it's traced over from AI and color picking from AI.
Ironically the only one who can tell if an art is traced over from AI are the prompters itself.
I've been shitting over 50k AI images to know how exactly AI colors, AI face&expressions and AI composition looks like and Her Kiara art look like an AI art without VAE, a lot of artists feel into this trap but deleted the art once they realize it.
That Pomu pic is least offender, even popular artist use it and got caught, i've seen worse. At least they make some effort and not trying hard to prove themself by screenshotting some WIP.
If you're in doubt check their old art, if somehow there's a dramatic change in artstyle, before October to November 2022 especially the face and how they angle their character then it's surely the artist used AI AND if their art changed again after December 2023 (v3 release) then it's no doubt they use AI.
It depends on you how you want to judge if tracing over AI, or using AI art as base counts as AI art or not

>>67129374
To me AI art just has that weird lighting and shine to it they all of them tend to have
Especially when it comes to inconsistent shadows, looking at the OP image, even removing the extremely strange and glossy balloons what the fuck is up with these shadows on her upper body

>>67129454
Yeah, three suns or something, like she is a football player

>>67129374
Its 100% traced for sure. Balloons are just AI. And the hands look like a very speedy fix, since the lines dont even connect, where you'd see the piece of the rope in between the fingers.

I don't know this person, but looking into it i am pretty sure it's a type of 'business first' type of artist. Where they will cut corners because time is money. But they will still make adjustments where it's necessary. Like who gives a crap about the background, so they will focus on the figure.
It wont matter for the industry thats hiring him - the companies. But it does poison the well for the people who want to enjoy art or admire abilities. Once you add a pixel of AI into your art, even if its in the background, then one wonders just how far will you go to cheat? I think thats the difference between art coniseurs and enjoying art and running it as a business.

>>67129637
There will be no business if there's no quality control, why can't they all be Pakos and Hukes etc

>>67114360
Don't get me wrong, AI art should be utilized by artists as a tool to help them be more productive. But using AI for this does feel like a bit of an insult to Pomu lmao

I think if it was truly AI someone would have said so in the comments or QRTS by now.

>>67130788
Theyre not gonna shit on someone out of kindness considering their meal ticket to easy doujin money at comiket just killed its self but you know theres definitely people behind locked accounts whove said some shit

>>67130508
It's the thought that counts i think. Sure its a bit stinky, but she'd probably think a business man took some of their time off to work on them with no pay. Not as nice as having 100% made fanart, but still nice. I don't know her stance on AI art though.

>>67130172
Its difficult to say how the market will go currently. I think there may be a divide coming, artists that are really good without AI will be in high demand for vanity customers, but you will also have a high quality AI-assisted market. Unfortunately aspiring artists with cheap prices you see on skeb might really struggle to find consumers, unless there will be value assigned to more 'natural' art and if AI-assisted art will just become the expected, generic and boring. Like >>67129374 /vtai/ anon said. Once you sat with AI art for a while you start to see the patterns in facial construction, shading, value ranges and composition choices, AI art cannot take artistic risks, all of it ends up as body horror. And what is competent it becomes rather bland, even though 90% of the image quality is above average artist on the market. But it will take a while for the average joe and your mom to see enough of it to develop a mental identifier and pattern recognition to the point of getting sick of it.

>>67130788
unlike /vt/ards most people have tact and don't ruin other people's careers

>>67130907
>unlike /vt/ards most people have tact and don't ruin other people's careers
anon, we are talking about twitter. the moral circles overlap and are arguably worse there.

>>67130872
Nightshade and Glaze are game changers and I hope artists use them appropriately to poison generative AI image models.

>>67131208
lmao they literally do next to nothing and are equivalent to sugar pills of medicine.

>>67131208
Last i heard they can interfere with the quality of the image. But hopefully that will be sorted out. I'm not totally against AI art, i think it's a fun gacha machine to see what it will spit out and sometimes a nice workload saving tool, but the AI grifting is really making me not mind of stuff like Nightshade essentially freezing AI progress to before nightshade and glaze was introduced state.

I knew something looked off (It has that glossy look most AI works have) with this piece, same with the swimsuit one he retweeted but since I'm no artist I wasn't sure.

>>67131276
Glaze at settings where it doesn't affect the image does absolutely nothing to the AI.
If you make Glaze so strong that you can see it with the naked eye, in some cases it actually makes it easier for the AI due to how it interprets noise.
>freezing AI progress to before
Even if they worked, which they don't, the AI would still improve anyway.
XL models need a fraction of the data for a character to learn it compared to 1.5 for example.
There is already enough art on the internet for AI to become perfect, what's not there yet is the code behind it and nobody can stop that.

>>67130872
No shot ai will make money if it’s mass adopted.
Why pay a prompter when you can just download the program and do it yourself.
It would functionally make the art market equivalent to fast fashion sweatshops

>>67115012
The hand look weird too.
But honestly I don't care.

>>67130872
>Unfortunately aspiring artists with cheap prices you see on skeb might really struggle to find consumers
I'd say they are somewhat safe. People who just want to consume some slop will eventually have access to models that do good enough. There may be a market for touch ups. However if you're willing to pay and wait it might as well be real. Especially with fetish art you're likely looking for something very particular, teasing that out of an AI can be more of a pain than telling a guy. So if you want instant you'll do it yourself accepting the rough edges, or if you want something exact you'll pay an artist to actually draw it.

I don't see the average person ever caring though. They neither have an eye for quality or much care for the moral debate. If a show or game is the next big thing it wouldn't matter to them.

>>67131365
>There is already enough art on the internet for AI to become perfect, what's not there yet is the code behind it and nobody can stop that.
I mean i thought that too, but the OpenAI guys and their community for some reason are complaining about people wanting to poison their work. Guess its never enough to the greedy.
>>67131461
>No shot ai will make money if it’s mass adopted.
I think for a while it will.
>Why pay a prompter when you can just download the program and do it yourself.
Yep, thats why i said AI-assisted. The assistance part would be enough to customise the results to make meaningful yet cheap enough alterations to the results. Lets say you want a model for your vtuber persona. You can take the character sheet trained model or whatever and have 1000 choices in 30 minutes. But they will all look the same in artistic expression, like value choices, proportions etc, complete with AI illogical forms and errors that don't translate at all into animateable form. That's where the artist comes in and touches up those parts. For a brief period they WILL look great. Instead of paying the cheapest artist you can find which will give you cheap but also artistically amateurish looking model, you can get an affordable competent looking AI model with artists touch ups. The problem - in due time you will look the same as most other AI-assisted cheapo chubas.
>It would functionally make the art market equivalent to fast fashion sweatshops
Yeah i think it will and i think over time it should balance itself out again, if AI becomes unfashionable.

>>67131805
>The assistance part would be enough to customise the results to make meaningful yet cheap enough alterations to the results.
Problem is that isn't a quick job in an already low paid profession.

>>67131805
Ah my misunderstanding.
Ive heard people hypothesize this. (Mainly concept artists and character designers)
We are still in the early years though. IP laws, programs specialized to detect ai, etc could change the landscape.
Maybe having a a custom model trained on your own work would be plausible.
Still the value of art (on a cultural and economic level) would decline drastically.
Live 2d animation for vtubers would still be valuable though

Compare the pomutori piece vs the solo summer kiara piece
Night and day, hes definitely started to just do AI fix ups

>>67129374
>that's not AI art but i'm 98% sure it's traced over from AI and color picking from AI.
Yeah it looked weird, but the normal errors AI make wasn't there. But it being traced makes a lot of scenes

Isn't the anatomy fucked up too? When you follow the angle of the thigh to imagine where her hips are supposed to be, then it seems that either her ass is at an impossible angle or her thigh is massive.

>>67131901
>Problem is that isn't a quick job in an already low paid profession.
It's not a quick job for sure, you'd probably get a same turn around time, but the end result would be of a higher quality. I think the lowest non-scam vtuber model commission is like $500, you get a custom model with layers. No rigging etc. The turn around time for that would probably depend on where you live as well, 500 bucks is like a weeks work for me, in the US spending a week to get 500bucks might be poverty level depending on the city and would likely be unfeasable, so i don't blame some artists charging $2000-4000 for their work if it takes a few weeks or a month. But lets say you get someone to make a model from scratch in a week for 500. A week for a character is super fast and likely would come with a lot of cut corners and quality issues. That someone will have to come up with a design from scratch, make sketches and doodles before making a decision and leave enough time to draw the lineart and render it. That's a lot of work in a short span of time.
With AI, 80% of the design decisions are made for you, just roll the AI gacha machine for 1 hour. Probably 30-40% of the render/lineart work is already finished with that result as well. On top of that you have the generic yet competent facial and body proportions. (can browse twitch vtuber section to see the struggle in that respect with 'affordable' models). Then you have 4 days to customise and fix the model, separate parts into layers, draw overlaps etc.

This is purely theoretical of course, but with improving models specifically made to target vtubers, the amount of fixes you will need to do, like centering the model bodies and faces- will go down in the future somewhat as well. I see this sort of workflow flooding the market until incestuos nature of sharing the models that generate all that will get boring and tiring to look at. But for a while i think it will make economical sense for those artists who are in it for the most money in a shortest turnaround time and not artistic expression or they have no prestige identity of their own to upkeep and sell as an added bonus. And i don't think artists who'd want to make custom models with personal thought put into that could viably compete in that price range. I really hope that's not the case, this AI stuff seems to have echoe's of crypto and NFT hype and grifts. Maybe it will all burn itself out as well, after the fastest grifters make as much money as quick as possible, before the jig is up.

I think the seat not being there is easily explained. The chains/rope are either incredibly lazy or AI. I honestly think that, aside from the character, this artist is very, very lazy when it comes to backgrounds and details, or: the artist does use AI in some form to complete the picture, and their laziness extends to not being bothered to fill in the details to make it look like something (like a rope, like chains, or maybe even be creative and make it plant/wood like to go with her being a fairy)

>>67133391
>this AI stuff seems to have echoe's of crypto and NFT hype and grifts
How so? AI is real, it has a tangible effect anyone with a halfway decent PC can try locally.
There is no weird shady thing you have to put money into.
It's a raw technology that's still at the level of a toy but it's not a short term hype, it's the beginning of something that is changing the world in a small but tangible way that will only increase.
And there will be bumps, especially looking at AI in general rather than just art, there will be a LOT of missteps and cheap garbage, but overall I'm excited for the future.
The possibilities of AI are close to what I thought the future would be like as a little kid.

>>67133578
I mean it for AI art in this case, not the medical or military applications etc. Blockchain also has a legitimate purpose and technology behind it, but it's not being utilised as was initially sold, nor it made as big of an impact as initially pitched. And in the same vein as crypto the biggest scum you can find are flocking to AI to make big money as quick as possible, thus scams are in abundance, lazy AI generated ads are appearing on TV and magazines because some idiot decided to save some cash, AI people with AI voices are enticing you to click on malware links. AI bros masquerading as artists to gain popularity and audience. Scam spams promising you cheap commissions for your furry characters. Just like with crypto/nft the vast majority of people are clueless sure, but on the active parts of the internet where cultures collide and these grifts are made- AI movement has a bad and shady side to it, and probably just as bad if not worse ethical baggage as NFT's had when they would sell screenshots or even other peoples work as nft's. AI being made from material that wasn't given consent to, and results, like on midjourney, generating 1:1 imagery it was trained on, or making lists of artists to feed into their models, regardless of their constent. Just like with crypto and nfts, AI looked cool at first but the longer it went on the face of it looks just as rotten as those other mediums. I say this as someone who enjoys rolling stable diffusion gacha sometimes myself and have fun with it and enjoy what the /vtai/ threads are making. But the grifters and profiteers are just as abundant and disgusting as with the previous technologies.

>>67114360
Roru

>>67134377
The fingers are AI but the fingernails look like they were done by a person. Strange.
Did he just add the painted fingernails but for some reason didn't fix the fingers? It's not even a hard fix.

>>67134484
>>67134377
I think he drew the fingers (maybe over a bad AI hand),but i think its his lineart, but he did such a rushed job that it just looks like AI because he was too lazy to connect the lines properly and you'd have to see the rope in between the fingers due to the gap. Looking at their previous art they're just not very good with hands, so it's hard to tell if he traced a badly generated AI hand, or that's just his standard quality.

>>67133235
I think her lower body is just too small in general, or the foreshortening on the knees is inadequate, making her legs look too small. And yeah i agree something ain't right about the butt angle. And her seat would be on her lower back somewhere, instead of supporting her weight, which i can excuse as artist can make logical mistakes, though its probably AI failing at continuity and context. At the very least you'd see the skirt under her butt compressed by her seat and folds overlapping her butt for added effect.

>>67134957
size comparison

>>67131173
Yeah but Pomu hasn't become a "problematic" person with any politically incorrect take to manipulate her into being a villain for twitter.

>>67114540
A second graduation has struck NijiEN

>>67134484
>>67134658
>>67134957
It's not about fingers or other small detail that the artist could fix, everything in this image smells AI from the composition, lighting, and the face

>>67134658
compare it to his old art

>>67114360
eww