/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Add Rosemi to the bottom picture too.

Not true at all. Might be true from perspective of remaining male NijiEN fanbase, but they long time ago got overrun by sisters

>>66702027
>How true is this really?
100%
>Do they really carry the rest of nijien on their back?
Yes
>If so, why doesn't Riku care about their needs more?
Black corp

>>66702027
Riku needs another yacht he's bored of the one he's using.

>>66702027
If we are talking about colabs and projects for the branch, this is accurate. Some selen things (didnt watch Pomu everyday):
>Niji WWE, started with only Selen and Pomu. Selen also paid the championship belt.
>Puyo tournament, hosted by Selen, sabotaged by Niji management. This involved the whole company and as usual, Niji almost ruined it. Ike and Hana saved the event.
>Luxiem's lo-fi remix, paid by selen. Luca later gave her the money.
>Obsydia world. For every Niji EN member, paid 100% by dragoons as usual. Later Pomu helped her, and the pomudachis were included. Any other liver helped.

The future of colabs is really grim, the clique so far hosted:
>Crab game
>Amogus
>4 chan simulator.

>>66702027
Close. This is NijiEN at 99.9% power

>>66702027
In kino and good content? yes
In numbers? not really
NijisanjiEN will survive both of them leaving. They'll just become a branch that only women and the lgbt crowd will watch

>>66702027
not entirely, there are 4 pillars of Niji EN.

Pomu, Selen, Vox and Nina. one is already gone, if Pomu and Selen leave vox won't be able to uphold EN by himself due to him being massive menhera and only appealing to chinks and unicorns.

>>66702644
But he got that one yesterday!

>>66702027
>Vshojo might absorb 99.9% of Nijisanji EN's power

>>66703164
>if Pomu and Selen leave
>if
Pomu is graduating soon and for selen it's ''when'', not ''if''

>>66702027
Why would Riku waste his time thinking about a dead branch?

>>66702644
But since he's owned it for a day, it's pre-owned now. So he needs a new one.

>>66702894
Where's Vox and Luca?

>>66702027
>NijiEN girls are popul...
>not even 300k in a week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5kC-4MGEK4
rumao

>>66703164
how big were these 4 from a money standpoint? will niji actually start giving a shit if they all leave?

>>66706803
anykara will never give a shit about EN again. The chinese have moved on, and the numbers they brought were the only reason the branch was ever considered important to the company. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they want to drive people out to make it easier to absorb into the main branch like ID.

>>66703164
>Nina
lol

>>66706787
Having gay sex for the Chinese fujos

Anycolor only cares about profit. Specifically, merch sales.

The thing is, their merch operation literally ONLY exists in Asia. People buying merch overseas experience months long wait times. There is zero advertising, as there is in every single corner store in japan.
So basically, Anycolor likes you in exactly the proportion you appeal to asian women, specifically japanese women.

Pomu for example has, since September, passed Luca in superchats, and ccv.
Doesn't matter. Merch is ALL that matters. Luca's merch sells better in japan so Luca gets to do whatever the hell Luca wants.

They don't even see it from a human standpoint, how losing such a valuable organizer like Selen and social nexus like Pomu would impact their already-damaged branch.

>>66702027
98%

>>66707429
They probably just assume that can be replaced with the whole accelerate thing. Maybe, if the company was structured in a way to support new debuts. You can’t organize shit if you’re a nobody in that company and everyone sees you as a potential rival.
Maybe Riku already realizes he got lucky and he’s a talentless hack, which is why he doesn’t give a fuck anymore. Too much effort, might as well slowly sell off his stock and leave the company to whoever’s left holding the bag.

>>66702027
It's a fact.
They are irreplacable.
Nijisanji EN is dead

>>66706797
Riku took their views, pls andastand

>>66703164
Nina? Dude, she couldnt even control her own group. Ethyria was the beginning of the end. The clique's origin.

>>66706348
I should have emphasised the AND as in if selen AND Pomu leave, both of them.

>>66706797>>66707123

Pomu was a founding member
Vox furthered their popularity by appealing to chinks and unicorns
Selen is quite literally the most popular female Nijisanji EN streamer by a country mile.
Nina was quite literally a locker room leader in Niji, everyone liked her and looked up to her.

>>66702027
Pomu carries collabs, Selen carries events. They're not the entire branch, but these two things bring in a lot of new viewership and expand the entire branch's viewerbase. Collaboration is key for streaming and especially for vtubing. For example: Vox was independently successful, but that doesn't strengthen the entire branch.
99% is a bit much, but they were definitely pillars of NijiEN.

>>66702027
It's true. Add Rosemi to it to get a 0.095% boost and Finana dicksucking Asmr to get the rest

>>66708281
>Nina was quite literally a locker room leader in Niji, everyone liked her and looked up to her.
lol
lmao even
And perhaps a little bit of rofl

>>66702027
NijiEN is just Luxiem and friends. The girls exist as accessories and cocksleeves, don't think we've forgotten all the Pomu X Luca shit.

>>66708770
bro if you're a dumbass that doesn't know any better because you don't watch Niji then don't pretend to be knowledgeable of it.

Nina was respected by quite literally everybody. her graduation overshadowed an entire wave's debut.

What kind of a man willingly watches something like niji when hololive exists?

>>66703164
>>66707123
>>66708030
Theres a reason why WrestleSanji2023 was so good
These 4 just fucking around with each other was enough to make the whole event

>>66709229
An unironic cuck or a troon, that's who.

>>66709544
bruh a good 70% of Holo have partners

>>66702027
Pomu and Selen can graduate and literally nothing will change

>>66709679
only 1400000+ ppl will leave

>>66709989 (me)
not to mention the negative press if they mess with selen

>>66709679
oh yeah they'll only lose a founding member and their most popular female english speaking streamer, no big deal. I'm sure that won't deter over a million fans from watching them given the majority of them know how upper management is treating their vtubers.

No, no problem at all.

pomu & selen both fell off hard so who gives a shit

>>66710151
Why are Nijisisters like that?

>>66702027
the cope+cringe level is unreal

selen and pomu were literally some of their only actually-talented talents they had.

>>66710151
>fell off
Selen is their most popular female english spekaing streamer and Pomu consistently sits at a healthy CCV.

>>66706797
unironically overshadowed by her own graduation announcement
and people are more absorbed with speculation

>>66709667
>bruh a good 70% of Holo have partners
never seen em on stream, schizo

>>66710235
>/#/ shits on their numbers and CCV and assorted buzzword stats for years and then they leave and suddenly they were good all along
zzz

>>66710444
they are good for nijis, bad vs hololive

>>66710444
Arent they both top5 most popular in terms of viewers in nijiEN? Ofc it matters if we talk of Niji purely

>>66710443
The same in Niji though. Like I'm actively shitting on Niji in this thread but this is a different kind of cope.

>>66710890
girl talk to boy all the time in nijisanji
in hololive we have real idols

>>66711061
Nijisanji never claimed to be an idol company and half of the idols in Holo are already claimed. Hell, Aki has a kid.

>>66711143
never seen em on stream or in my dreams like you

>>66711339
I'm going to begin ignoring you now, try to not be so retarded in the meantime.

>>66709229
Someone who isnt into scripted robotic idolshit
Niji en was pretty good during the early days honestly it gave off the comfy “hanging out with the homies” vibe where everyone just hangs out. Unfortunately it was all a lie and a sham and the cliques and real colors of the chink infested management came out and ruined everything

>>66702027
So you're saying the remaining 1% are like germs that refuse to die?

>>66710151
Bro alot of people only watch selen and pomu in nijien and ignore the rest of the dreg

>>66702027
Who even is the top5 females in NijiEN?

>>66711339
Stay in your make believe bubble kid. Its gonna hurt alot when reality smacks you in the face

>>66711607
I think you got hololive and nijisanji confused

>>66711770
Nah hololive always felt reatricted and scripted and the jokes are recycled for fucking YEARS the fans are expected to behave a certain way and keep laughing at it. everything is controlled and permissions for every single thing

Nowadays i agree niji en has been far worse when it comes to alot of factors nowadays. But during the early golden 20 era shit was pure kino and everything felt organic. You had to be there to understand it

>66711930
>golden 20
Didn't know I replied to a bot

>>66708770
You don't get to have an 18 hour graduation call-in stream unless everyone really likes you.

>>66711930
How much of Golden20 have to peace out b4 you do the same? Im curious if you had given that any thought desu

>>66711930
>>66712179

>>66712215
Already did im done with nijisanji as a whole probably vtubing altogether. Im just here to shit on nijisisters now and anti the black corpo

>>66711930
nijien silver 18 is more entertaining than rotten 16 honestly

>>66709008
Didn't her own wave have a group chat that excluded her?

>>66712342
Its funny im saying this coz i used to be a hardcore nijidefender but

NIJISEETHE

>>66712412
Yea it was made up of enna’s clique she basically was the start when nijien was starting to go to shit and toxic

>>66712412
Yeah because Reimu, Millie and Enna are a bunch of introverts and Nina is a extrovert.

For S1, golden 20 whatever you want to call them if you switched Enna and Millie for literally anybody else and kept everything else the same, NijiEN wouldn't be in the state it is currently in

>>66712929
Millie? Introvert? REIMU? Introvert?? noway u believe that

>>66714232
Bro just because they act like they do on stream it doesn't mean they do well with in person conversations. Millie and Enna have known eachother for years, and Reimu is neet as fuck so it makes sense they would be friends quick, but Nina is an extrovert so her energy can come on pretty strong for them.

Yes, they're introverts.

>>66714854
Millie is ENFP and Reimu is ENFJ

>>66709679
Losing popular organs is damaging to NijiEN. But what I think is truly damaging to NijiEN's brand is fans seeing them reappear happier in Vshojo two months later.

Due to ACCERLATION there is at least one (and probably more) new wave getting ready to debut, knowing they have to debut for a company everybody hates and just lost their best two members.

>>66702027
Are nijisisters still seething at people using the term "golden 20"

>>66712412
This is true, but it's only part of the story. Being excluded from her wave led to her reaching out to Luxiem and the newer waves and forming connections across the entire branch. She even eventually more or less repaired her relationship with her own wave and was respected by basically everyone.
I donno if "pillar of NijiEN" is fair, a lot happened and she fell off hard before eventually graduating, but she was sort of the ultimate unityfag. It genuinely hurt the entire branch for her to leave because her influence was bigger than you'd recognize looking solely at her 'objective' accomplishments.

>>66703164
>pillars of Niji EN
>Vox
He lost the Mandate of Heaven a long ago, sis. You have to let it go

>>66716113
Which eventually led to Pomu (and most likely Selen) leaving. A tower is only as strong as it's foundation and the foundation is rapidly falling apart. What is being lost is something that can't simply be replaced by ACCELERATION

>>66715921
it's funny becausw the term came from a sister on twitter

>>66715921
They hate it coz its the truth

>>66716339
Like him or dislike him he basically revived the male vtubing scene and was the face of Niji EN for a full ass year. He is a pillar of Niji EN, like it or not.

>>66709229
I just want to watch normal streamers that aren't constantly shitting on weebs, not boring idol shit from unfunny women.

>>66706797
>has more upvotes than any of the girls that commented

>>66717428
fujosanji...

>>66703164
I want to disagree with this, but the only way I could is by replacing Vox with Shu, due to the tech support he offered due to how shit EN's management is.
Pomu/Selen did so much hardcarrying and Shu honestly spent more time doing collab than his own streams it became a meme because he was propping up others ventures.
Nina you can say helped with emotional support and tried to keep everyone friendly, but you can also argue that she's part of the reason it all went to shit too due to all the off-collab shit she encouraged.
Vox was just a numbers man, even though his collab stuff was pretty good when he got into it, It's a shame his fanbase is so shit that he's scared to collab more often.

When you look at the others..
Rosemi had a lot of creativity originally but she distanced herself hard from later waves because she could tell they were drama magnets so those streams slowly died off.
Elira was always too 'safe' and that's why there's almost no drama around her at all, but she also is an incredibly passive person who just joins in with things, not an idea person.
Luca tried to be a big chatty guy who brought people together but he was too stupid and ended up being toxic because of it and other fanbases hated him for forcing it too hard.

Otherwise you have those who are actively a negative factor Enna, those like elira whose fanbases are isolated (Ike) and those who are just irrelevant (Finana)

>>66722028
I mean it all depends on if you think the off collab things were a bad thing. I personally liked the off collab with Nina, Ike, Vox and Mysta. I find it completely inoffensive. Yaminions aren't exactly the tamest fanbase either what with them sending death threats to content creators for calling them "second most horny fanbase" as a joke.

>>66712412
Nice nijifamily you got there

>>66702027
selen didn't spend 6 months of her career flirting with luca every chance she got like pomu

>>66703164
There has been talk that Vox might want out as well, but I don't know if there's anything to it.

>>66727154
yeah, she flirted with nocturnal and the stars boys instead

>>66711716
Based on last year CCV:
1. Selen
2. Elira
3. Pomu
4. Mika
5. Enna
The top 3 are interchangeable depending on what method you use.

>>66729185
>4. not even EN
grim

>>66702027
Dunno why no one has answered this truthfully yet. The truth is that NijiEN is irrelevent to the success of Nijisanji. It was a side project that was barely worth the effort. Yes, it will be a total failure with the loss of 3-4 pillars, but it's not significant enough for the CEO to even notice or care

>>66729185
Two already on their way to the retirement home, another highly likely. Clock is ticking for Elira.

>>66729544
And enna is happy to have the pond shrink, so that she is a bigger fish by proportuin

>>66729486
It's not going to make Nijisanji go down or anything but "barely worth the effort", yeah, no. At Luxiem peak's they were not far away from JP total revenue. There's a reason why investors asking why EN talent is just leaving and why revenue is crashing down.

>>66729247
You could argue for Melocco being there since Mika's numbers got boosted by several times during her last few months after graduation notice. Anyways, there's a power gap between 3 and 4, usually filled with Luxiem guys, so it doesn't matter much who's at number 4 since the ccv drops a lot compared to the top 3 anyways.

>>66702027
So here's a qrd of how corpo hierarchies function. It's typically split into 3 levels of management: low, mid, and upper. Low level handles and day to day operations of the corpo, mid level handles regional operations, and upper level are the administrators. So all your staff that interact with the talents, get perms, help with tech issues and stuff are all low level. They have a lot of flexibility but are always stressed and busy. Mid level are execs in charge of the branches that are the gobetween for low level and upper level, although it's more akin to giving low level objectives mandated from up top. Upper level are your CEO, CFO, etc. basically boss of the executives and heads of departments and they ultimately answer to the shareholders, whether private or public. All of that is to say that mid level/branch managers have no clue about the day to day operations of the talents and only know the info fed to them my the talent managers. They could try to touch base with the talents individually or as a group but even then they're only getting a general sense of things, assuming they reach out to the talents at all. At upper level they're completely detached from what low level deals with. Despite their power, upper management tries to never touch the day to day stuff. The good ones do this because they trust the hiring manager they chose and trust low levels to do their job and the mid level to report any problems before things spiral out of control. The bad ones are just on an ego trip and actively don't want to know what's going on at lower levels and actively harass or fire people that report things are on fire. As you may have guessed, Yagoo is the former while Riku is the latter. I wouldn't be surprised if 80/20 rule applies even for the talents. There's 34 active in NiiiEN so 20% would mean 7 members do 80% of the work, and of the 7 in that 20% just 2 are doing 80% of that work load, which means 2 talents are carrying 64% of the entire branch. And yeah, you can guess who those 2 are and Riku has no clue about any of that because that's the job of the branch manager to know, but the branch manager is also doing the low level management work. Once the amount of the 20% workers that carry 50% of of the workload leave the corpo enters a death spiral because it's not that the remaining workers can just work harder and do better, they literally can't do more than they are because that is the limit of their abilities or else they would've been in the 20%. The 50% is the marker because that's the tipping point of when the workload outpaces the workoutput and catching up becomes impossible and the only way to adjust is to take on less work which means losing market share until they can keep up. It's a death spiral because people start leaving one after the other until the only ones left are the true believes of the corpo but can only produce the minimum output, basically your standard bootlickers. At current standing if NijiEN loses 3 of the top 20% talents the branch will 100% enter a death spiral and implode. Pomu is leaving, that's one. Selen is unknown, that's two. Who could be the third? Probably Rosemi or Petra or Elira. If that happens it's game over for the branch.

>>66730287
Nigger nobody is reading this until you learn to use line breaks holy shit.

>>66730287
>mucho texto
>no line breaks
post hands

>>66730287

>>66730336
>>66730370
>>66730389
That's fine too

>>66730336
>>66730370
>>66730389
Certainly! Here's a formatted and edited version for easier readability:

Corporation hierarchies typically function with three levels of management: low, mid, and upper. The low level handles day-to-day operations, mid-level oversees regional operations, and upper-level consists of administrators, including the CEO and CFO.

At the low level, staff members deal with talents, manage permissions, and handle tech issues. They have flexibility but are often stressed and busy. Mid-level executives act as intermediaries between low and upper levels, receiving objectives from upper management. Upper-level executives, such as CEOs and CFOs, answer to shareholders.

It's crucial to note that mid-level/branch managers may not be familiar with the day-to-day operations of talents. They rely on information provided by talent managers and might not directly interact with talents. Upper-level management, despite their power, stays detached from day-to-day affairs, trusting the hiring managers and low-level staff to handle their responsibilities.

Good upper-level management trusts their team, while bad management remains detached and may even harass or fire those reporting issues. In the case of NiiiEN, Yagoo represents the former type, while Riku embodies the latter.

An 80/20 rule may apply to talents, where 20% of them contribute to 80% of the workload. In NiiiEN's case, with 34 active talents, 7 may handle the majority of the work, and within that 20%, only 2 carry 64% of the entire branch's workload. Riku, as the branch manager, might be unaware of these details.

If 3 of the top 20% talents leave NijiEN, like Pomu already leaving and Selen's status uncertain, the branch could enter a death spiral. Possible departures of Rosemi, Petra, or Elira could lead to a critical situation, risking the branch's stability and market share.

>>66730529
Thanks, did you type that up or chatgpt it?

We may have lost Pomu, and Selen is most likely gone too, but Nijisanji will never lose Rosemi-sama, the beacon of hope for us all.

>>66729486
It's not just EN that has these problems, they've been steadily bleeding important members like Mayuzumi for really stupid reasons, and it's having a visible impact on the quantity and quality of events on the JP side too. They're slowly becoming a zombie agency where everyone just streams video games for a few thousand viewers and nothing interesting ever happens.

>>66730287
Selen is probably terminated but they don't know what to do since they cannot Zaion her since she has good connections and reputation. Everyone would blame NijiEN managment.

>>66730701
Yeah I GPT'd it kek. Actually tends to v0avh
do a decent job for translating anon's illegible rants into something digestible.

>>66730959
Goddamn that file name made me kek

>>66702027
Not true in Luxiem days. But today it's 90% true.

>>66730336
>>66730370

>>66731052
Nice captcha. What do you think of the overall info in the rant? I was legit just spitballing it.

>>66731026
That's what happens when your company does stuff like bully members into graduating after publically shaming her for making an innocent baseball joke.
I can't wait to see it burn

>>66730529
That's worse than the original.

the vast majority of the nijiEN fanbase are women and they actually watch the males. you see people on 4chan talking about vtubers like rosemi but they're meaningless in the grand scheme of things. the branch is easily carried by luxiem + noctyx alone

>>66731150
The first part is common sense, and the latter seems to be numbers you came up with. Better than thee average /vt/ shitpost/10.

>>66731360
>doesn't know about the Pareto principle

>>66729638
>proportuin

>>66731289
>and they actually watch the males.

>>66731184
I think it's incredibly funny that it was the baseball joke that did her in after years of comments that would have got her suspended anywhere else, it really emphasised that they literally only took action because they were getting bad press in the normie media
Along similar lines they have a guy who was permanently banned from youtube for streaming gore, and they just made him a new account so he could ban evade and seemingly nobody cared

>>66730529
>>66730287
Same text with minimum changes.

https://pastebin.com/vu2nFjcf

>>66731289
uh sister...?

>>66702894
I agree, although I never watched Pomu or Selen that much they are very influential, it sucks but at least Rosemi is still there.

>>66706348

>Pomu is graduating soon
source?

>>66735543
You been living under a rock anon?
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1743271163898556612

>>66735629
I think it was a joke

>>66735672
It was only even on the catalog for one day before being subsumed into general NijiEN shitposting so I could understand someone who doesn't watch her actually not knowing

>>66702894
based, Rosemi is underrated

>>66702027
>How true is this really?
zero percent

Stupid post

>>66709229
Haha I don't know bro I guess it'll remain a mystery for you.

>>66702070
never

>>66743143
COPE