/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>66624139
That's the point, so even their most retarded fans understand where to follow them

>>66624190
Their most retarded fans still insist this means nothing.

>>66624139
Sick of this. You all got mad when Phase fans act like poachers but when Vshitshow does it they can do no wrong.

>>66624212
Wait until the debuts happen, then you will see sisters blaming Vshojo for their downfall and "tri"balism will be at its peak

>>66624139
At this point you’re a legit retard if you cry during graduation streams since they’ll just be back in a month anyway.

>>66624296
Do you think people who leave their jobs should fucking die or something, bro?
Of fucking course they'll be back. Every vtuber always comes back because all they did was just quit a job.

>>66624368
Sio...

>>66624139
>my kamioshi will be in the same place as her kamioshi and her best friend from nijien
Excited for the future

>>66624368
But Riku said that they only leave to do other things. Do you really think Riku would lie?

>>66624368
They didn't quit their job. They changed their job location. Same job, but more preferable workplace, and it usually implies their previous workplace is shitty enough to jump ship

>>66624240
They are everywhere too, you don't really see Phasebeggers outside of here, but Vshojofags are like this everywhere, on youtube, twitter, reddit. No shame whatsoever.

>>66624139
The Nijifugee detox facility.

>>66624139
>from nijishitji to vshitshow
kek

>>66624139
Insider here and I'm going to share something that might get me fired. Here's a rough draft preview of Pomu's Vshojo model.

>>66624240
Not that I watch either, but I think people see vshojo as worse in this respect because they've never actually hired anyone from an audition. A lot of people have a negative view of companies that only grow via acquisitions.

>>66624139
Which Mika?

>>66627297
Melatika, of NijiID

>>66624296
You'd be surprised how many retards get attached to the model more than the person, and then whine about how things just don't "feel right" with the new name and model. It goes to show how important a good model design really is. People are always going to be shallow and petty as fuck, even in the virtual world.

>>66627331
Oh LMAO I can't wait for her to exercise her talent freedom and get anti'd by SEA puritans

>>66627362
See: Henya
People will straight up hallucinate a difference, then when pressed, every point they have gets BTFO except "B-but Pikamee had SOVL!"

>>66624296
If you follow someone after they graduate you're not a vtuber fan and should go back to fleshtuber filth that was made for you.

>>66627392
I mean, she was one of the most popular NijiIDs, mostly hung out with English speakers (which probably caused the first point) and has a shitpost sense of humor. The people that would hate her already did before she graduated

>>66627714
How much does kurosanji pay you to post retarded shit like this?

>>66627585
They were not actually fans of Pikamee in most cases. They just feel threatened by Vshojo becoming stronger.

>>66627849
She does it for free kek

Bets on Vshojo-Pomu's chest size?

>>66628329
There's a chance she will be designed by Ayamy so pretty nice

>>66624240
Anon, what have you been smoking? People have been consistently malding and seething about Vshojo "poaching".

>>66624240
Everyone was shitting on kikeson and mouse you fucking tourist go back to your subreddit.

>gets rejected
>refuses to get better and try again
>Oh yeah? I'll show them! I'll make them jealous by becoming the opposite of what I or they wanted and gonna go for leftovers!
Why are women like this? Has this tactic ever worked out for them?
Yeah, I'm sure the ones who rejected you will become super jealous now that you made yourself worth even less than initially kek

>>66627970
I am fan of 2020 pikamee, i don't like her when she change her voice from office lady voice to screechy cutesy voice and i stopped watch her when she change to ugly kaiju pikamee. since then i am hiatus watching vtuber all together until i found my new oshi two month ago.

>>66628541
Nijiseethe

>>66628541
>Why are women like this?
You should know considering you're one

>>66628541
Nijisisters doing what they do best.

>>66628487
obsessed chimp

>>66628969
I accept your concession faggot.

>>66628958
Coping that their low effort oshi still can't make it into Hololive, so she settled for Vshojo instead?
I agree, that's why I made that post. Seeing Nijis fail will never not be funny

>>66629098

>>66624296
Being a fan of a vtuber is more than just being a fan of the person. It's about being a fan of the community you've built, the interactions they have with other livers.

Even if Mika and Pomu come back in Vshojo it won't be the same. Their fans won't be able to mention any inside jokes or community jokes, the vtubers won't be able to fully embrace and acknowledge them, the vtubers won't be able to collab with the friends they made before in their other corpo publically in video format due to rights issues and management breathing down their necks.

When a vtuber graduates its the end of everything that made that vtuber popular or loved, not the person portraying it.

I cant wait jack off after this whore debuts with a slutty model. I wonder how fat her titties and ass are going to be, how much are they going to jiggle? Will there be ahegao and bare foot toggles? There must be camel toe right? God this thinking about this dumb bitch's slutty school girl corruption arc will be great. And the seething will be the best part

>>66624296
to be completely fair here, if you cry because a chuuba graduates your're retarded, no matter what
>>66627714
>there are "people" out there that are so detached from reality that they actually think this
don't know if that's funny or sad desu

>>66627331
Oh wow, the turbo whore is joining the whoring company? She might actually be happy there. Pomu on the other hand...

>>66630398
>Pomu on the other hand...
What about her? Joining the same corpo as her kamioshi and her best ex-nijien friend should be good right?

>>66630398
pomu's a grown woman and she can be a whore if she wants to
who are you to judge

>>66630499

I just hope to see her again no matter how she calls herself.
Couldn't care less about corpos or tribalism. It would just be difficult to follow her on Twitch because that's a platform I usually don't use.

>>66629161
>When he's proven wrong he decides to act like a retard.
So you asked why nobody has come after vshojo head you were proven wrong and now you're seething at being told people were shitting on mouse and kikeson for poaching. This is you right now faggot.

>>66624240
People may get mad because Phase cannot acquire the big talents like Vshojo can so it feels like the phasefans just want to insert themselves in the conversation.

>>66624588
I saw it get obnoxious when Pikamee was quitting but after they got Henya they went on a victory lap and expected every major graduation to end up selling out to vshitshow.

I don't know about Pomu. Mika is likely going there. And I doubt Selen would be interested. But if you're gonna make a company based on sloppy seconds from Nijisanji then at least get rid of Froot if you want to make people watch it.

>>66624417
She's back retard

It's surprising how Vshojo even works. Just think about it, they seem to assemble all the people who had this or that issue with their previous corpo or people who are pretty outspoken. By that I mean literally retarded.
You may think this corpo must implode any minute with this cast of characters and the tension they must create.

>>66631141
>t. projecting nijisister

>>66631141
Vshojo is going to end up like how All Elite Wrestling became a home for bitter talents and will become an unwatchable shit fest due to all the egos.

>>66631141
>>66631212
ni hao

>>66631141
>>66631212

>>66630668
There will likely be a guide posted in /vsj+/ how to get the best experience on twitch.

>>66624139
Yeah I'm not willing to move to twitch just to watch her
>inb4 muh tribalism
Even if we look past all the technical issues, the insufferable community and the mounds of titty streamer / chair react slop that gets shoveled down your throat, if I'm going to fund a porn website, its not gonna be one that's to cowardly to claim it is one and pretends to be a game streaming site, because its less taboo

>>66624240
no one on /vt/ like vshojo retard, every single vshojo fag here is a twitter tourist

>>66631235
? What that means I don't speak chink. And kurosanji is japanese company unless of course you're calling japanese chinks as well is that how you feel about hololive too?

I for one am happy about this, cause now we have two of the worst vtuber communities fighting each other for our amusement
Thanks Pomu, or whatever you'll be called!

>>66631295
Holy cope. Why are Vshojo antis always this retarded?

>>66631212
Are you implying that Gunrun is a cokehead?

>>66630115
She's gonna have a super slutty schoolgirl outfit and all her content will just be coomerbait. My guess for titsize is slightly smaller than Matara.

>>66631450
lead poisoning and/or fetal alcohol syndrome mostly

Why don't the rest of the vshojo girls just do porn like Melody
Also why is there a man in vshojo

>>66624266
Matara, Melody, Mika and Pomu are all going to be on vacation together in a few days and there's defintely going to be some tribadism there.

>>66632110
>in a few days
*weeks
The trip to Japan is in middle of February

>>66632037
Because when it comes to dudes, "shojo" is slang for anal virgin...though knowing him, that's probably not true

>>66631141
>It's surprising how America even works. Just think about it, they seem to assemble all the people who had this or that issue with their previous countries or people who are pretty outspoken. By that I mean literally retarded.
>You may think this country must implode any minute with this cast of characters and the tension they must create.
He's not wrong.

>>66631141
>>66631212
>>66632197
samefag

>>66632215
Nope, I just noticed a pattern. What that anon is seething about is called freedom from big daddy corporations. What makes Vshojo successful despite all the egos involved is the same thing that makes America successful. I should have used less cryptic irony I guess.

>>66632197
Something like 95~99% of people never even leave the city they were born in. People that move to another state in the same country are in the 1%, already. International moves are obviously 10x rarer or more. What do you think it means when a country is made up to a large extent of the most bold and ambitious people from all over the world? The tiny few who left home and traveled far for something better. There's a reason America has dominated the world for the past hundred years and shows every sign that it will continue you indefiintely into the future.

>>66632037
>Why don't the rest of the vshojo girls just do porn like Melody
Because Vshojo has never actually been a lewdtuber or AVtuber group no matter what /vt/ wants to believe

>>66632312
>What do you think it means when a country is made up to a large extent of the most bold and ambitious people from all over the world?
>There's a reason America has dominated the world for the past hundred years and shows every sign that it will continue you indefiintely into the future.
Heh, okay friend, now take your pills and watch the cute cartoon girls

>>66631421
this kek
its like watching two chimps fighting over a moldy banana

>>66631421
This was already true since the niji discord leak.

>>66624139
Isn't this from a random MV?

>>66634373
It's from Mouse's birthday stream video. Gunrun retweeted this image, which got people rrating

>>66624139
Oooo I wonder if Pomu is going to have a schoolgirl type of character? That would be cute

>>66634532
JK Slime Girl, hopefully

>>66631141
By not being dumbass jap corpos?

>>66634532
Maid lamia.

I will watch pomus debut and then never watch her again just as i did almost 3 years ago

>>66634821
>all the holochads tune in on her debut so she feels like she finally made it to the big leagues
>never watch her again to crush that little spark of hope you gave her
Based. I'll do that to

>>66634821
>>66635250
you're awful people

>>66627362
I don’t mind new models, but they all go from youtube streaming to twitch. Twitch is shit and diesnt save vods so its a huge pain in the ass to watch when you want. Like with Silvervale she has a twitch vid yt so I just watch there, but not everyone is consistent. Tenma hasn’t had any vods to hers in like a year.

>>66635904
That's on the streamer for not saving their own shit. Also VShojo doesn't force them to stream on Twitch

>>66635804
If pomu actually joins shes gonna have at least more than notnina numbers maybe below henya’s which is around triple her old one.
Pomu understands the number but inflation during debut hype because she was harassed during her niji debut month for taking a break and not taking advantage of it because of her cancer operation
Pomu is the last person who would be numberfagging.

But obviously since you are a catalognignig you wont know that

>>66635904
I don't want to give you any false hope but personally I believe Vshojo will do more simulcasting this year.

>>66627714
Found the Poe's Law post.

kek

>>66636287
Several of them have mentioned that they CAN, but that it's a pain in the ass because it takes more moderation. Actually, that's why most of them don't stream on Youtube to begin with, because Youtube moderation tools are worse

>>66636664
Only reason people /here/ mostly prefer youtube is because youtube is freedata in SEA

>>66636664
Kson experimented with it for a bit and it seemed like a great success to me.

>>66636664
I'd take worse moderation tools over having to deal with Twitch's community any day.
Sure, I'd get a slap every time I stream, but at least I don't need to eat literal shit.

>>66629408
>Their fans won't be able to mention any inside jokes or community jokes
They can always do new ones, and even then, there's no copyright to them, Matara was quick to have "the mom" be more present. Henya tried to cover herself up with dazo instead of dayo, and now doesn't care about saying dayo, and her fanbase is not subtle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xTsdfR2mY
Nazuna also had her one joke during it (the boing boing).
>The vtubers won't be able to fully embrace and acknowledge them, the vtubers won't be able to collab with the friends they made before in their other corpo publically in video format due to rights issues and management breathing down their necks.
And that's not VShojo or the talent that graduated's fault, this is something stupid from management and one that sucks, I can understand the whole "we don't want you to transfer fanbases from our side to yours" kinda deal with those collabs, but it's sad to fucking see. It is why a lot get tired of jp corpa.

>>66628541
I think it's not really a woman thing as much as it is an ADHD thing. I keep hearing from ADHD people that one of their traits is an almost pathological contrarianism where if someone tells them to do something they instantly avoid doing it even if it's something they wanted to do or needed to do in the first place. It's like a visceral hatred of any instance of being told what to do.

>>66635804
I dont do it out of spite like the aqua poster implies i just tend to watch debuts and go back to my already established roster i like. Infact watching out of spite is retarded since huge debuts feeds into a better start why would you want that for someone you dislike or hate.

>>66636729
she stopped because for some reason twitch won't let you show yt chat on screen so you have to run two instances of OBS instead of actually simulcasting the same stream to both websites

>>66628544
Did pikamee have a lower pitch voice before the green suit model?

>>66636826
Way early on, she forced a deeper voice to sound more like her mother, because she was insecure about her voice. Over time she became more comfortable (and more tired of hiding it), so she started speaking in a more natural voice

>>66636818
Ah, I see. But if they can figure that out it might become more commonplace.

>>66636773
Youtube's community generally isn't better at all from my own experiences.

>>66624139
I was hoping she'd go indie
Oh well, no use getting upset over it, I still have others to watch so good luck to her

>>66624240
None of the people on /vt/ these days was around when Phase did any poaching anyway.

>>66638085
Poach connect was hilarious since it was around the time most other small corpos began rapid collapse. Vshojo is more of a retirement home for former jp corps

>>66624139

You need to go to university if you want to graduate.

>>66638658
The thing that made Vpoacho more notable is how all their recent poaches happened immediately after graduations. As if they had a hand in those graduations.

>>66638795
I wont fault people who want to leave the dogshit enviroment anycolors fostered and see an out in vshojo

>>66639371
this
I feel nothing but contempt for vshojo, but its clearly better for the talents compared to the literal black company that is nijisanji, so if that's their only escape plan, then they should take it

>>66638795
Funny enough, the only one I think that's true for is Henya. Henya is 100% the type of person who would have simply wallowed in despair rather than leave VOMS of her own volition.

(Also I didn't watch Mysta at all so I have no clue about him)

>>66624240
Absolutely nobody is enthusiastic about Pomu joining Vshitshow.

>>66630431
>her best ex-nijien friend
Yes, Pomu was much closer to Nina than what dramafags would tell you, but stop this revisionist bullshit. She's far closer to Selen or Elira.

>>66627362
It does feel different but only because they're all interacting with new people and Zen's there all the time.. Mysta is still a faggot though

>kamioshi going to the one company I despise from the bottom from my heart

I think I'll simply hang myself than go through that mental anguish.

>>66624139
>Pomu says she's going to university
She has always talked about becoming a marine biologist, but that would require you to actually watch streams.

>>66624139
Meh. All this is doing is creating a divide between Niji & Vshojo. You think we will ever see those talk to each other after the amnount of lip service and coping Niji members did, and Pomu /Mika just shows up at another company? Hell no. Niji En vtubewrs will hate vshojo for stealing their talent and there will never be a peaceful conversation between those two.

>>66639988
It would also require you to watch streams to know that she said she was only going back for a little while to get a qualification, not a degree.

>>66640218
>no u

Will pomu have the same mother after she is reborn?

>>66624240
Vshojo only streams on twitch, Phase is on youtube and pippa regularly gets 5k while fauna, gura, mumei and chet are all on indefinite hiatus. /#/fags are overwhelmingly seething holoredditors who lose their minds over the slow incline of corporations other than hololive and 2022 was hell for them since nostreams was combined with Vox Akuma regularly getting 20k on his streams before he angered the chinese people.

>>66640482
Did someone prompt ChatGPT for a /vt/ post or some shit?

>>66640160
>Niji En vtubewrs will hate vshojo
I'm pretty sure nijien vtubers hate anycolor with how they're being treated, but otherwise yeah, I doubt they'll be allowed to talk with the ex-members anymore

>>66624430
Riku would never lie neither funnel every penny to buy new a yatch

>>66636789
>Matara was quick to have "the mom" be more present
Her name is literally "Mother cockroach" in russian.

>>66640425
No.
Pomu submitted her graduation notice in August.
She met with Ayamy in Japan 1on1 in September.

>>66640906
If Pomu shows up again looking like Mel I will cum so much

>>66627714
Most low iq post in the history of 4chan

>>66639815
At least for Selen, she's going out. She unprivated every vod on her PL
Kurosanji is bleeding faster, trully accelerating

>>66630398
>>66630633
cool fractals

>>66635804
Because they don’t watch pomu? Are you serious kek

better question, is Luca gonna follow after her now? he seems persistent, but then again he still has Rosemi.

>>66624139
You know, i wonder if Vshojo will actually do something cool and have some kind of program where they support Vtubers who are active students

>>66640563
Go back to tiktok if reading more than 1 sentence blows your fucking mind, newfaggot.

>>66641479
Luca is too much of a Niji shill to go there. I mean what do you expect from one of Niji's golden boys? Management probably give that faggot whatever he wants compared to Pomu their founding member.

>>66641479
Luca has already gotten into the bedroom of Meloco, and Meloco is pretty much NijiJP in EN. As long as Meloco is still there, he's not going anywhere.

>>66641489
I mean, most are drop out, the only one actively studying is Melody, but who knows, she already makes bank with CB so doubt she needs help. What we do know is the program we call "VShojo Cares" which is basically that they pay for mental treatment, according to some members is actually really good, although Nyanners said it wasn't half bad, the only issue was that with her, they got a psychiatrist that wasn't too much of an expert on social media and all that stuff, you know quite old that probably thinks 4chan is this one hacker guy.

>>66641518
> Management probably give that faggot whatever he wants
Including Pomu

>>66640563
probably

>>66639562
Mysta owes 350k in taxes to the HRMC and he fled to Indonesia on visa which gives him tax free status. Gunrun paid his debt of and now he owes Vshlomo 350k plus interest

>>66640482
>Vshojo only streams on twitch
Kson regularly streams on Youtube.
Geega does it sometimes.
Mouse has done some YT streams
Zen tried to dual-stream, but didn't like it.
They're free to stream where ever they want, they just chose to do it on Twitch because it's better for streamers.

>>66642414
VShojo did not pay his debt. At most they paid for the initial investment of his model and stream stuff, and gave him a plan as to how to deal wit the tax issue

>>66642414
>>66643910
It would be funny if Mysta ended up hurting the whole company with his woman moments ngl

it's a funny coincidence but they are still probably going there which makes it funnier

>>66642582
Retards spread it because of a combination of whatever the fuck was going on with Nazuna and the fact that Henya chose to stream exclusively on Twitch.

Henya's logic is sound as to why though, she fought with youtube and youtube monetization for years with no support, and Gunrun is in tight with Twitch, so she likes having instant support. Still sucks since I prefer YT, though.

>>66624296
(You) sound like the kind of retard who goes to /pw/ to tell them it's "not real".

>>66640828
Why can't any of you retards spell "yacht" properly?

>>66640482
Who the fuck is chet?

>>66626932
>but I think people see vshojo as worse in this respect because they've never actually hired anyone from an audition
Oh yes. Of course. THAT is the reason people hate VShojo. You nailed it.

>>66645476
former writer at valve

>>66631284
>greentexts "inb4 muh tribalism"
>gives a million more reasons why this is muh tribalism, with no actual counterargument

>>66645741
Thats just how women roll bro nijisis is all emotion zero logic

>>66645556
But haruka won the auditions
Anny was seething about it for so long.
Imagine if vshojo got anny instead and in turn made vedal join lol

>>66626932
That's the dumbest fucking line of thinking. It's like if someone in the NFL goes free agent you should hate on any team that picks them up.

>>66624139
Vshojo's existence is a good thing regardless of what you think of the talents. Companies can no longer get away with treating their top talents like shit or they will simply leave. Vshojo is also kept in check by Mythic, because Mythic will recruit Vshojo talents who aren't offered a good enough contract or feel they no longer fit in with Vshojo. If you care about the vtubers themselves instead of the company they work for, competition is a very healthy thing for the industry.

>>66638795
Graduations are usually set up many months in advance. And even if this is true, they're not being forced to join Vshojo, the talent actually has to want to join. You don't end up in a discussion about joining another corpo without seeking out that discussion in some way.You people are so tribal that you would rather see talents suffer in a place they're not happy than join "the enemy" it's hilarious

>>66639919
Good. If your tribalism is that bad you definitely should. There's no saving you.

>>66641479
Luca interacting with notpomu wont ever be a problem with vshojo. But im pretty sure nijisanji now has a problem with it just like how nijis can never reference matara (pomu commented on mataras debut and was quickly deleted by management)

>>66646001
Competition is bad. It promotes a race to the bottom.

>>66646133
"Race to the bottom" is already the Nijisanji business model.

>>66639919
Please do. You'll be doing everyone else a huge favor necking yourself.

>>66645888
>he thinks the auditions were real
RMAO

>>66646133
Said nobody.

>>66641007
More than likely shes gonna update her mint character but now with vshojo’s jiggly bouncy rigging and influence so shes gonna have a sexy model one way or another. Mika on the otherhand from the hints we heard from matara and onigiri is gonna be a new ip with an “unnamed in Indonesian” theme to it

>>66646244
Keep laughing catalogfag

>>66646133
You sound like a wanna be communist living off the benefits of a capitalist country.

>>66642414
ogey

>>66645556
I did say in this respect, as in when talking about "poaching" specifically.
>>66645988
And I didn't say I agree with it, it's just not hard to see why people think they're worse, because all of their talent pickups were already successful elsewhere.

>>66646546
>I did say in this respect, as in when talking about "poaching" specifically.
Even with that, it has nothing to do with auditions. Any excuse to hate VShojo is what retards will go with. Even calling it "poaching" is already hating on them.

>>66646001
The only thing I want to know is what the fuck they plan on doing with their whole "push into JP"
I remember Silvervale mentioning that there were more staff for the JP side than there were for the entire EN side, which sounds insane now that the JP side only has two Vtubers
Have they just given up entirely and are just waiting for NijiEN people to join up?

>>66646257
Look at what happened to air travel when they deregulated everything and opened it up to anybody with capital. Quality collapsed, seats shrank, and airports became fucking bus terminals.

>>66646703
Yeah and ticket prices fell like 75%.

>>66646676
My guess is that they had more JP talent lined up, but that negotiations fell through.
But i guess we'll never know.

>>66645888
>won the auditions
anon if there WERE any auditions then this was nothing but a nepo hire and unfair to the other auditions because Haruka was already an honorary Vshojo member. It's quite literally like Having an "Actor of the year" award and having a bunch of no name actors go up against Dwayne Johnson.

>>66646703
You can still have competition while keeping things regulated.

>>66646676
>>66646811
there's like 4 jp staff and i have never seen any indication that there ever were more than that
this just sounds like some made up anti BS to push the retarded "le kekson tried to poach all of holojp into vshojo but failed!!" rrats

>>66646676
Mirai akari was supposed to join the jp side but the offer from sony was apparently better i guess

>>66647001
no she wasn't you fucking mongoloid retard

>>66646676
There aren't enough famous JP vtubers willing to join a corpo that isn't Niji or Holo. While still up and coming in Japan they're still relatively unknown. Mikeneko (despite what Kson says) only knew about Vshojo because Kson told her about it.

>>66646816
I never said the auditions was fair it was an excuse for a nepo hire and a honeytrap to get snuffy to apply but she never did so haruka won

>>66647073
neck yourself thirdie

>>66647127
shut the fuck up and go play in the fucking ball pit faggot

>>66647028
There is a video were she acknowledged it but its her irl so i cannot show it here without getting a vacation

>>66647143
stop lying about kson you fucking smelly chimp creature and go back to your containment thread

>>66647089
bruh if they wanted to nepohire all they had to do was fucking message them. They wanted people to audition but after that fell through because of the doxxing incident and the success of Kson they figured the best option would be to hire well known talents.

>>66647170
acknowledging that vshojo exists is not her saying she's joining it

>>66647172
I'm not lying, Mikeneko isn't smart enough to find Vshojo by herself my dude. Her saying "I had nothing to do with Nazuna joining vshojo" was just a way of getting the heat off of her after Nazuna left the company. (Wild how she never mentioned this before Nazuna left the company)

>>66647206
They did message snuffy after but she refused thanks to the nux incident ironically

There is no way people are mad about poaching.
I think its good that the woman get passed around until all the bad ones end up in the gutter and the prime ones get polished and end up in big companies. Its a process that will hopefully weed out all lazy and unfunny menheras over time.

>>66646676
The JP market is worth far more, so from a business perspective it's a no-brainer. The problem is the JP side is also a lot more competitive, and vshojo has no particular niche to make them stand out. They grew in the west by networking and consolidating all the most popular indies but there's nothing inherently unique or interesting about what they're doing.

>>66647279
Which is funny because she actively participated in the campaign against Nux (even though it was beef they already squashed) cus she had a woman moment.

>>66647275
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1544080640882069504
she did
now stop lying you fucking monkey

>>66647333
>sourcing the same source I was referencing she was lying about.

anon take your meds and fuck off to reddit.

>>66647248
Kson was trying to poach her so hard and even wining dining and probably fucking her almost weekly. In one of kson’s streams with haruka (the deer) mirai akari was on kson’s bed shouting and was really hammered drunk off her ass

>>66647388
this is from 2022 you complete fucking retard

>>66647295
Poaching is good when its from an abusive black company and the talent ends up in a far better situation

>>66647400
that stream was with yura
go hang yourself, chimp creature

>>66647414
That still doesn't disprove that she is lying ( she is ) because Micheal Cat isn't smart enough to make business decisions by herself, that's why she has voice ore to get the VA gigs for her.

>>66647486
>(Wild how she never mentioned this before Nazuna left the company)
>(Wild how she never mentioned this before Nazuna left the company)
>(Wild how she never mentioned this before Nazuna left the company)

>>66647310
The problem is outside of kson’s influence vshojo has no name in japan this is like when microsoft first ventured into japan and nobody bought their xboxes
The japanese also usually prefers their own brands rather than western bs

>>66647510
Anon why are you acting schizo over Kson this wasn't even part of the original argument. I don't even hate Kson but you have to be real that she was lying about not introducing Mikeneko to Vshojo. Bro was fresh out of being terminated, there is no way she was eyeing vshojo before termination.

>>66647571
maybe vshojo asked her?
why does everything have to be about kson?
why do you keep calling her a liar if you supposedly don't hate her?
why do you refuse to admit you were wrong?

>>66646676
Probably tried, but since we did carry Mikeneko and there's not a lot of vtubers that would trust that fact or that it's an american company, it probably didn't take off too much. Also it's Silvervale's take, the jp side had like 5-6 people that I remember were publically announce. And EN has been known to be like 10
Anyway, they did what they did wth JP, which is mainly connecting them to JP industries, hence why they had connections for their concerts production, and future productions.

>>66647172
I'm not the guy you're currently having a meltdown with, but I'm pretty sure Nazuna/Mike also said/implied that she joined due to Kson. As usual with her, that info was spread out over different streams and whether it was said on both Nazuna and Mikeneko or only on one is something I can't confirm off of the top of my head. Settle down a bit, you'll only end up making more enemies by lashing out so angrily

>>66646676
It's difficult for VShojo's model to work in Japan because it relies on independents signing on
And Japan doesn't have anywhere near the same indie scene as the West

If you have any decent audience in Japan you're probably in a company already. Which makes it very difficult to find promising independents.

>>66646962
>"le kekson tried to poach all of holojp into vshojo but failed!!" rrats
I don't believe this nor have I have pushed for it. That being said, the fact that there were more staff on the JP side was something Silvervale complained about when she was bemoaning that VShojo didn't give her the support that she wanted.

>>66647701
kson has explicitly said both when they joined vshojo and when nazuna left that she did not recruit her
i really don't care what mike said, especially not if it's in 52 different unarchived t2 twitcasts

Vsj usually recruits big name proven talents or nepohires
Problem with that on the jp side is that nobody knows who they are and japanese big name indies would never sign up to an unknown american company. People are more likely to know who kson is that what vshojo is in jp. There is zero chance vsj jp can thrive unless they change their hiring process and bite the bullet with 2 view nobodies

>nux
>auditions
>vshojo jp
Funny how all the complaints about Vshojo are about stuff from 2-3 years ago, almost as though it's all been good news lately.

>>66647089
>a honeytrap to get snuffy to apply but she never did
She did apply.
They even let her apply after the auditions closed because she had been too sick to make it in time.

We don't know what happened with auditions but evidence suggests it somehow went sideways behind the scenes. The person responsible for them was let go from the company and then we got Haruka and the one and only result of auditions.

Whatever happened, they clearly decided that the audition model was not going to work for VShojo. At least not at that time.

Man Professor Lando is gonna have his work cut out for him running this isnt he?

>>66647793
>i really don't care what mike said
Yes, I've noticed this to be a common trend among Kson's fans /here/. Whatever, I'll be good and keep quiet now
Anyways on a related topic, do you know if Kson has any plans to do stuff with Nazuna/Mikeneko? I know she's been busy with the Yakuza stuff but their last collab was the VShojo song in September, was it? It's been a while

>>66647753
i really doubt that's a fact considering there's only 4 people anyone has ever talked about or seen

>>66646133
Isn’t it the opposite? It creates a standard that they have to meet or else the competitor takes all the business.
Assuming they aren’t colluding, that is.

>>66647935
pretty sure she was supposed to be at her concert and fan meeting but ditched those as usual

>>66647638
And how do you think they would have asked her? some random corpo from nowhere asks her immediately after getting terminated to join their corpo. They would have asked Kson to convince her. Nazuna herself implied Kson came to her.

>>66640160
>All this is doing is creating a divide between Niji & Vshojo
Not a problem 'cause at this rate, NijiEN will be shuttered by the end of 2024.

>>66647865
Nobody is denying vshojo isnt doing great right now besides bitter nijisisters trying to downplay pomu+mika getting poached. Unlike blind worshipping nijichinks we are allowed to look back and criticize the problems of the company and how they can grow moving forward or approach the japanese market

>>66648007
Kson announced her fan meeting attendence long in advance and never mentioned Nazuna being a participant, so I sort of doubt that unless Kson's explicitly said she was
And for the concert, I was under the impression that basically nobody other than Mouse and maybe one or two of Kson's friends showed up for that. Again, unless Kson explicitly confirmed Nazuna was supposed to show up, I'm doubting she would
Anyways, if that's the most up to date info about plans they apparently might have had together, that does sort of confirm something I've been thinking for a while.

>>66647926
Hes making too much now being a normie streamer to go back to the niche small vtuber circle

>>66648045
>hey do you want to join our company btw your friend is also gonna be here?
i know you retards have invented this boogeyman of "kson the poacher" but that really isn't grounded in reality

>>66648177
I don't really give a shit if Kson is a talent poacher or not, I really don't care. But Kson without a fucking doubt poached Mikeneko.

just shut the fuck up, it doesn't matter if she did or didn't, nobody is saying it was a bad thing.

>>66647865
Nux was a mere casualty to their image (not that it was good at that point) but to be fair they were getting kinda late to remove that tick of his content. The auditions were a loss cause from the start, and hopefully they will never do them again, their format even to that point it was nepohire, that's probably why they never went back. And JP unironically works for them still for distribution and contracts with jp experts. One could say about the contracts Vei mentioned, but seeing how them three went into actually retiring homes, while VShojo did more projects, it is safe to say what those contracts were so demonized to fucking Veibae of all people.

>>66648237
you seem awfully insistent that she is despite evidence to the contrary, so obviously you do care

>>66648175
Rrats say nazuna dropped coz she hated henya and saw her on the roster. We all know she has some weird hate boner for her. Was she trying to avoid dd and guutara too? We never know

>>66647865
The VShojoJP stuff is recent/on going though. Nazuna leaving officially two weeks ago sort of brought it back into the spotlight that the JP side is going nowhere. The biggest JP streamer in VShojo streams in a US timeslot in mostly English
Feels like there was a lot of hype about it that just never went anywhere. If it's over and done with, that's fine. But it feels like a plotline that never went anywhere.

>>66648300
>"evidence"
>It's the person I'm saying is lying, lying.
>Mikeneko has implied on numerous occasions it was Kson that introduced her.

I'll choose the schizo that is prone to revealing secrets over someone protecting their image.

>>66648176
Sure thing Randon dont worry im not blow the surprise

>>66648301
Rrats are rrats. Apparently the two interacted at Kson's Taiwan fanmeeting. Mikeneko also wants a collab but I doubt that's happening
I don't know who DD is, sorry. Regarding Guutara, Mikeneko has talked fondly about her on streams a few times and follows her on Twitter. I don't think she's avoiding her, but a collab is probably difficult due to a few different factors.

>>66648118
>>66648352
Fair enough.

>>66648423 (Me)
Oh wait, I've figured out who DD is. Can't comment on this much as Mike hasn't ever talked about her to my knowledge. I know of the reaper/necromancer collab though so I doubt they're on bad terms, but it's more likely that they've just never interacted much

>>66648373
>nobody is saying it was a bad thing
>someone protecting their image
why would she need to lie to "protect her image" if it's not a bad thing?

also
>(Wild how she never mentioned this before Nazuna left the company)
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1544080640882069504
she said the exact same thing when people considered "poaching" nazuna a good thing, was she besmirching her own image back then?
or is she only "protecting" her own image now that she says the exact same thing in a different context?
you obviously have a lot of hatred for kson so i don't expect honest answers from you

>>66648381
His dumb grimmace shake tiktok made him more popular with the kids then what he was ever in holo. Im sorry man he’s not coming back to vtubing we lost him to the tiktok alpha kids

>>66632037
>Why don't the rest of the vshojo girls just do porn like Melody
Because they don't want to

>>66629408
>Their fans won't be able to mention any inside jokes or community jokes, the vtubers won't be able to fully embrace and acknowledge them, the vtubers won't be able to collab with the friends they made before in their other corpo publically in video format due to rights issues and management breathing down their necks.
This is entirely the fault of the companies and the graduation culture. It should not be something to hold against the talent or any new company they choose to join.

In a just world, vtubers would be able to freely claim the work they did under theses companies.
In a perfect world, they would own their character's IP.

This board can hate VShojo as much as they like but the truth is their model is the future of the industry, and it will be better for it. Someday graduations will be reserved exclusively for when a vtuber actually, fully retires from their career.

>>66649293
It's the future for the Western industry, and even then there will need to be companies following the corpo model as well. In JP it will probably stay pretty much the same, because the holobox is real and actual nips aren't willing to jump ship from Niji the way ENs apparently are.

Btw matara, kuro and notmika is gonna go to japan in a few weeks and matara said shes gonna be streaming with her “unnamed” and “jobless” friend + onigiri. I know like everyone knows notmika is practically in but i just love rubbing it in to piss the sisters off

>>66631295
>no one on /vt/ like vshojo retard, every single vshojo fag here is a twitter tourist

>>66649293
Ah yes, this time for sure an industry will evolve along a path favorable to labor

>>66649586
Do you really think twitter is capable of logical discussions and responses in this thread?

>>66649442
I don't expect Japan's industry to change with much rapidity, but we do already have a handful of examples of vtubers leaving one company with the same character and even joining a new one without any rebrand.

I think in the West, Phase is one of the few companies still holding on to that Japanese standard, even going so far as to acquire the rights to indie IPs when they join as Invaders (the recent batch were smart to rebrand instead of forfeit their IP). When Riro Ron debuted in Idol they openly advertised her old identity as part of hyping her up, and there are growing numbers of small corpos that relinquish character rights to the talents if they leave or the company closes shop (most recent example being Kawa Entertainment).

>>66649679
Providing talents a better environment is ultimately beneficial to the industry yes.

Just look how things are going at NijiEN. And even Hololive is having increasing issues with talent burnout and health breaks from overworking.

>>66632312
>There's a reason America has dominated the world for the past hundred years and shows every sign that it will continue you indefiintely into the future.
I'll only address this part:
Dominated is not the word but ok, close enough. 1946-2007 is not a 100 years.

I already miss the USA's hegemony, it wasn't so bad after all.

>>66649534
>matara said shes gonna be streaming with her “unnamed” and “jobless” friend
Are these two separate people she's referring to?

>>66627392
>Oh LMAO I can't wait for her to exercise her talent freedom and get anti'd by SEA puritans
Nah, she's irrelevant

>>66650419
One friend
Kuro also has IRL streams with a "friend" on his subathon goals
Mata's friend may or may not be the same friend

>>66649865
There's also been a recent trend of 4view and 3view indies grouping together to make small Vshojo like companies to sell merch. Vchiban, 3am, and Astraline are some examples that come to mind.

>>66650958
Vchiban is definitely a group for just them, but 3AM and AstraLine are billed as agencies. 3AM even has an audition page on their website (though they aren't holding any yet)

>>66649865
Providing workers with a better environment is ultimately beneficial to capital but boy do they fight it every step of the way.

>>66629408
>Their fans won't be able to mention any inside jokes or community jokes
>any
Some no, most yes.
>management breathing down their necks
In VShojo? Really?

>>66651451
Of course not that dude is just reading of the usual catalog script lol

>>66647127
>>66647172
>>66647333
>>66647414
>>66647510
>>66647638
look at this cute retard crying like a little bitch on 4chan
see, this is why I love these twitter tourists, menhera women having a meltdown in the catalogue will never not be funny

>>66652078
nigger

>>66652078
Nah he's based and you're mad Kson doesn't make the dorito money anymore. Cover is a black company. And Mike Cat was recruited by loutlot.

All I know is these girls leave Nijisanji and join Vshojo and always get a 10x worse model
Nijisanji management needs to have it's own Nuremberg for all the god tier vtuber models they waste

>>66652691
>he
>based for having a meltdown on /vt/
god I love camaraderie among women
sorry to disappoint you sister, but I've been watching kson (not the dragon) when she was still in blue dorito and still do never watched mike though even when she was green
doesn't mean I won't laugh at you hormonal women crying over it

>>66652989
>>66647127

>>66653026
>thirdie
>at this hour
more

>>66653026
I accept your concession sister

>>66653080
it's a mindset

Notice how the discussion becomes zero logic emotionfest that degrades into name calling when the nijisisters are around. These fujos really need a rope

>>66624139
Also remember Mika's reaction during her graduation when Pomu told her the secret.
That reaction isn't something you have when someone is also graduating.
I what happened is Mike already made plans with Gunrun to join Vshojo, and later on Pomu did, too.
Then when Pomu joined, they told her that Mika also will be joining.
So when Pomu told Mike the secret at her graduation, she basically said "I'll be with you at Vshojo" which makes her reaction make perfect sense.

>>66653113
Thank you.

>>66653220
Holoschizos made some shit up about Kson 3 years ago and get a little emotional when you tell them they're retarded.

>>66653771
>holoschizos get a little emotional
>>66647172
>holoschizos

>>66653904
That's not emotion, it's a completely rational suggestion on how to improve this board's quality.

>>66632110
nice

>>66653974
>not emotion
>rational
>improve this board
haven't had this much fun in a shitty bait thread in a long time, thanks sister, you're one of the good ones

>>66624588
How are you unable to tell apart obvious falseflagging? Is it your first day here or are you just disingenuous?

>>66632312
>past hundred years
let's not get that crazy
1945 was still less than 80 years ago

>>66642582
>Kson regularly streams on Youtube.
Who?

>>66642289
Learn to read words, subhuman redditor.

>>66654248
For future reference when you want to falseflag don't use weird tourist reaction images that nobody else has ever posted on this board.

>>66632312
>most bold and ambitious
>complains his job at starbucks only pays 19/hr to make coffee and wants to be paid 50/hr to make coffee

>>66654339
>falseflag
>tourist reaction images
>nobody else ever posted
holy shit this is gold
look at this sister being newer than a baby chick yet doing her hardest to gaslight other newfags to no success
where do you announce these twitter raids anyway? I wanna join in the next one cause this shit is hilarious

>>66654596
Please keep your weird feminization fetish to the number ape thread.

>>66639988
she finna join Hololive so she can study Marine's biology

>>66624190
Their most retarded fans are convinced Hololive fans want them

>>66646133
>Competition is bad. It promotes a race to the bottom.
> Blockbuster over taken by Netflix
> Yahoo overtaken by Google
> JC penny and other department stores overtaken by Amazon
> Blackberry/IBM overtaken by Apple
all of these companies at one point were the top of the top with no competition decades ago. competition forces innovation for us to keep spending money on them.
how retarded are you anon? competition is good

>>66654661
>number ape
for future reference, no one uses monkey and ape as an insult on this board
if you want me to stop calling you a woman, then you should stop behaving like one, sister

>>66655060
Struck a nerve, huh.

>>66655060
>no one uses monkey and ape as an insult on this board
Jesus fucking christ, how new are you?

>>66655164
Yeah, he was almost doing well until that.

>>66655098
>>66655164
>>66655231
just having some clean fun as you continue your little meltdown, sister
>new
you already tried this approach and fell on your face, but maybe you'll get lucky this time

>>66655457
You're getting a little emotional, why don't you settle down by throwing poop or eating a berry or something.

>>66655457

>>66655511
true, amusement is an emotion
>>66655589
how lazy, at least use the mori one since I'm a >holoschizo

>>66649865
>And even Hololive is having increasing issues with talent burnout and health breaks from overworking.
Because EN had it too good and too easy for too long. Look at Advent, hungry as hell.

>>66649865
>we do already have a handful of examples of vtubers leaving one company with the same character and even joining a new one without any rebrand.
I think on the occasions when that has happened in Japan it was more so due to those companies being small and needing cash rather than an actual industry shift. Like Patra bought out her model from 774 and I would bet that Vspo paid for that one chuuba who transferred there but I don't know the details. If they were big enough to sit on their IPs like dragons on a mountain of gold like how Holo and Niji do it then they probably would.

>>66627362
I was never a big fan of Pomu's model anyway (though I am a fan of her) so I'll probably like whatever she gets in Vshojo more.

But on the other hand, I hate using twitch.

>>66624240
I'd rather everyone go to Vshitshow instead of /pol/connect. Even if you want to go
>b-but that's just the fans and doesn't reflect on the streamer
or literally whatever cope it is, Vshitshow still presumably gives a better cut (by virtue of being the Worlds Most Spineless Company, that shit with them just giving Michael a name she didn't want for free was fucking pathetic but very telling) and more viewers by default.

Why would any fan of a vtuber want them to debut in a company of 3views when they could potentially get thousands and stay at thousands for their entire career? The best answer will always be "go indie" but there's no guarantee to that shit.

>>66632110
Can they all go to kson’s house and get raped by her? Would really make my peepee hard

>>66632110
>>66658842
don't forget Henya

>>66661296
>Henya
>leaving her house
>meeting another vtuber

>>66661343
who said Henya has any say on that ?

>>66624240
Vshokeks were so annoying with the whole "come join us plz Mika" the moment that she announced her graduation that Hana called them out and told them to stop. That's how insufferable Vshojo's fanbase is

>>66646102
>>66646231
Thank you. If it makes you seethe, that's enough reason to keep living.

>>66661989
who the fuck is hana

>>66662272
the reason ID didn't make it

>>66662272
It's that forgotten nijiID who's still left there.
And who got more popular in 1 alt stream on Fansly than their entire niji career

>>66662272
She censored it to not stir the pot, but it doesn't take a genius to know what it says

>>66662538
That's too much space for it to say VShojo, which is only 6 characters. It probably said HololiveID.

>>66662538
probably some underage SEA

>>66642414
Mysta owes his taxes to the royal queen, god bless her soul, and he does not recognize the fraud sitting on her throne.

>>66662538
oh i forgot who she is. that censored word is definitely "hololive" though, you can compare to the one above and it's 8 or 9 letters.

You can't deny, Vshojo really does give the best deal in the industry. Too bad that in order to get in you have to already be popular and be friends with the current members.

>>66663234
It was HololiveID. Check this out

commented
VShojo.

commented
HololiveID.

The only possible way it could be vshojobeggars rather than holobeggars is if Hana inspect-elemented the image to change what it said.

>>66663371
there's a " at the end too

>>66652951
Nijisanji gets character design pretty well. Nina's was top notch. It's a shame that their rigging is total trash.

>>66624139
And here I thought that they'd finally get more education to prepare themselves for a potential career change. Turns out that it's just this. Fitting though, you can treat Kurosanji as a high school and once they graduate they end up at VShojo uni. But this is a disappointment to me nonetheless. My Asian blood is screaming at them to become a professional or something.

>>66666249
post hands

>>66663311
And yet 4 of its members left in the same year

>>66668138
And none of them contributed anything.

>>66669870
Besides easy money for VShojo, which they barely have to raise a finger to generate? I mean what definition of "contribute" are you using here, because it's foreign to me?
On top of that, with Nazuna gone, the whole JP expansion side of VShojo seems to have been put on permanent ice unless they somehow manage to salvage it with some JP girls. I imagine they'll just continue their current policy of hiring more of NijiEN's graduates, though