/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6662308
they are gay or have a cuck fetish, unironically

>>6662308
They are zomcucks, deadcucks, and your typical brainded nijiniggers

>>6662308
I think they're just Nijisanji fans angry that Niji tanked because all the Gachis left and want to sabotage Hololive by encouraging them to go down the same path

>>6662308
Not them, but it should be fine if you can collab with whatever you want instead of lying. Collab is a right, not an obligation

Nobody is begging for more male collabs besides Redditors. They're simply saying the girls shouldn't have spergs freaking out at them if they decide to collab with males. Big difference.
>I'm not personally interested in watching male/female collabs
This is fine.
>Fubuki should fucking hang for collabing with Holostars
This is not.

>Ok I see people arguing this, but why?
because some people shockingly like the idea of seeing their favorite vtubers collab
>Why are people here so desperate to see male vtubers?
because they think it would make a good stream
>What's the benefit to the girls?
a potentially fun stream
>What's the benefit to me as a viewer?
a potentially fun stream

anon, you remembered to take your meds earlier right? it's evening in SEA so if you missed your morning dose make sure to take them after dinner.

>>6662438
Fubuki has been slowly fading out of relevance though.
>Fubuki should fucking hang for collabing with Holostars
Nobody says this

>>6662308
Anything that owns the unicorns is a net benefit to the hobby as a whole.

Oh, and also >>6662453

>>6662453
>because some people shockingly like the idea of seeing their favorite vtubers collab
Nobody has a male vtuber as their favorite. Homofags are notorious cancer for collab begging. You should just take the hint, nobody wants this. Not the fans, not the girls.

>>6662471
It was hyperbole. The point is the girls should not be shit on for collabing with male vtubers, especially those within their company if (IF) they so choose.

>>6662453
Not op but why specifically male collabs? Its always been weird whenever I see comments on YouTube saying "they should collab with more males" A good collab is a good collab, a bad collab is a bad collab, not matter the gender. I don't mind either as long as its a good and enjoyable collab, but its always struck me as weird when people specifically want a them to collab with men.

>>6662513
You've made up a boogeyman in your head and are trying to force collabs to "own" this boogeyman. Meds.

>>6662520
>Nobody has a male vtuber as their favorite
Kuzuha rivals Pekora in views for a reason

>>6662548
Nobody shits on them, they just lose interest and watch other vtubers. Fubuki was once the headline of Hololive, now she's middle of the road.

>>6662308
I think most people don't really care about it either way, almost all the vtubers I want my oshi to collab with happen to be female, it's just weird giving this much power to a small group of micro-dicked japanese unicorns.

>>6662556
Not him, but I'm pretty sure is for pity, is not a secret that Holostars are treated like black sheeps

>>6662595
>It's just weird giving this much power to the people who throw red superchats every stream
Is it though? Makes sense to me.

>>6662513
>Anything that owns the unicorns is a net benefit to the hobby as a whole.
Why? Caring about retards is retarded, and wanting to "own" them is even more retarded.

>>6662556
>Not op but why specifically male collabs? Its always been weird
its similar to diversity apologists.
diversity is our strength, more non-whites need to be in this, quality doesnt matter.

if I am a betting man, I would say non-white apologists and more male collab posters are of the same ideology.

>>6662520
Homobeggers are cancer. The best female vtubers are in hololive , the best male vtubers are in nijisanji. That's just how it is. Why not have them colab sometimes.

They're just sad nijisanji fans trying to destroy hololive.

>>6662308
Redditors

>>6662591
>Nobody shits on them
They do, though.

>>6662513
This, weebcels need to be shown that they're not welcome. They already ruined anime with all the shitty loli pandering and now they're trying to ruin vtubing by freaking out whenever a girl even so much as speaks to a guy

>>6662308
>Ok I see people arguing this, but why
Where? I haven't seen anyone say this on this board.

>>6662619
sure it makes sense financially, but i don't gotta like it.

You do not need human contact
Emotions besides anger are fucking gay.
Immediately cut off contact with everyone you had a relationship with. It may be hard, but just put all doubts to the back of your mind
Stop caring so much about things. Whatever it is, it is NOT that important.
Just become a slippery snake and cheat, lie, kill and use people till you are at the top. Seek power like the worthless clump of matter you are.

>>6662647
Because Kuzuha is an APEX autist and the last thing Hololive needs is more APEX streams

>>6662658
based

>>6662638
to add on another poster >>6662341
, they're also actual trannies and gays who push lgbt stuff. it doesnt matter about purity of a female, they want to corrupt it for no reason in the same way, diversity fetishists do.

>>6662658
Based

>>6662308
because there's nothing wrong about that, you hate your friends and family for having a relationship with a woman? how is the single thought of a man having a conversation with someone you don't know get you so upset? makes no sense and i'm not a nijifag or a holofag and whatever rhetoric you guys use, i just don't see nothing wrong in humans interacting with eachoter, i don't see my chuuba and think of sex and how she could be mine, she is just entertainment

>>6662556
Because when you bar male/female collabs you lose out on a lot of fun interactions that can only happen between boys and girls.
Because some of their character designs would look really cute together.
Because the potential for celebrity couples help drive hype in any entertainment field and it's about time vtubing took a step forward to become a mature hobby

>>6662638
I get the same feeling. Especially from people like >>6662513 whose only objective is to own a nebulous group of people they think are not being inclusive enough. I think 4/5 people here who push for collabs with Homos are likely on a tranny discord of some kind.

>>6662308
Based and redpilled

did you see the "hololive fans are pulling down the industry" thread and interpreted it as "they want holos to collab with dudes!"? literally grade school tier IQ
no one expects hololive to stop pandering to their gachis, their fans however should stop treating every vtuber like they are holos

>>6662741
no no no it's clearly just about leeching off the holos girls success, why else would anyone want to see people collab with them? they have nothing else to offer but numbers

>>6662726
do you find whores slutting it up to dudes entertaining? because that is the eventual conclusion of normalizing male collabs. you may want to try twitch thots if you like that kind of content

>>6662763
Trust me when I say that Hololive fans do not spend a single second thinking about Nijis or other Vtubers let alone demanding they act in any specific way. They're literally irrelevant.

>>6662658
"do you know whyyy your subscribers arent going up like moonas?
you are an old hag who loves holostars, thats why.
even gaijins dont want to see a hag who gets sexually excited by holostars doing this or that
we want to see people like moona who gets along well with other hololive members.
if you want more subs, stop being a whore."

I'm thinking based.

because they're braindead SEAniggers

>>6662788
>o you find whores slutting it up to dudes entertaining? because that is the eventual conclusion of normalizing male collabs
They've been normalized for years in the vtubing space outside of Hololive and believe it or not the majority of unisex collabs are still professional in nature.

>>6662662
>weebcels
>shitty loli pandering
>ruin vtubing by freaking out whenever a girl even so much as speaks to a guy
look at the vocabulary here.
>shaming lolis and loli watchers
these are obviously not from 4chan
>using incel as an insult
another reddit flag
>freaking out
reddit vocabulary who has contempt for 4chan and r9k types when those types are the ones who protect the hobbies by gatekeeping it.

there's a reason trannies complain about /pol/, /v/, /tv/ on every other board. its because they cant subtly push the lgbt propaganda without being called out and these boards protect their hobbies aggressively since they know how subversive trannies get in molding a hobby. the above mentioned 3 boards are some of the only boards which can recognize the subversive propaganda.

tranny mods letting "become lamy" threads are also tranny propaganda. try reporting that thread for offtopic and you're getting a vacation. that thread is defended by a rabid tranny janny.

>>6662308
I don’t mind male collabs and I don’t mind them interacting with other vtubers. If I don’t like it, I just don’t watch it
But if it’s something like anitubers and e-celebs of any gender, I’ll say something about it
IMO, the people asking for collabs with males just want to watch other kind of vtubers or make [insert term here]fags angry

>>6662789
>Trust me when I say that Hololive fans do not spend a single second thinking about Nijis
You can go ahead and stop making so much bait and numberfagging threads about that irrelevant company, then.

A lot of hologirls enjoy idol culture and do not want to collab with males

deal with it

>>6662341
This has to be the true answer considering how badly they try to force these collabs to happen to a weird degree

>>6662664
Look at the catalog, anon, I recall there is 2 or 1 thread except this that have that topic right now

>>6662821
don't come crying to me when vtubers are totally normalfaggified. just remember you wanted this to happen

>>6662763
Nigga the majority of holofans especially EOPs doesnt even watch holoJP not to mention any other literall whos. Nobody ever push their niche too other chuuba

>>6662836
>there's a reason trannies complain about /pol/, /v/, /tv/ on every other board
Because they've invaded them? Even m00t hated you faggots. Calling me a Twitter tranny will just prove my point by the way, you've pozzed every single hobby board on this website with your obsession with BBC and trannies. /jp/ was right to gatekeep you.

>>6662662
Normalfag detected, go back

>>6662658
Holy fuck lmao

>>6662341
fpbp

>>6662884
>just remember you wanted this to happen
You're the one defending Hololive's current business model. And tell me, which vtubing group is the most popular with Redditors?

>>6662788
this. my oshi Nene couldn't stop herself from trying to collect husbands if she collabed with m*les, it'd be disgusting to watch

>>6662726
you are making sense and we don't do that here, how dare the sweet voice behind that avatar speak to a man, she needs to lie, say some yuuri shit and stay in character or else

>>6662903
>Because they've invaded them? Even m00t hated you faggots.
no one inside and a regular of 4chan hates those boards. you know why? because before you newfags came in, most of the posters would be in every other board based on events surrounding it. it is not binary like you think, there is a lot of overlap, especially among older boards.
this is why you get exposed like a tranny in a model contest when you complain about those boards. most of us visit different boards during different events whereas you come back to this board after failing to push another lgbt thread or topic on those boards to cry about it.

get the fuck back to your discord or reddit and stop pretending how moot talks.

>>6662932
Cope. Again, don't come crying to me when the inevitable happens and you're forced to move to another hobby (assuming you have standards in the first place).

>>6662658
>Astonishingly based nip bro.

>>6662617
The stars are free to reach out for collabs with big name Nijis, both male and female, like the holo girls once did when they were small. Apparently no top tier Niji woman will give them the time of the day though.

>>6663007
>because before you newfags came in
/pol/ was made in 2011, Chanology was a cancerous movement led by a bunch of newfags who took the "le anonymous army" meme seriously, you're a tourist and a faggot who needs to go back. Not reading the rest of your schizo babble.

>>6662658
seems like this dude missed the Moona birthday totsumachi where the monkey king indonesian vtuber that can go meet Moona IRL right now wrote a romantic song for her and performed it for her live in front of her audience.

>>6662903
>obsession with BBC and trannies
pushing bbc and tranny shit is not obsession but defending yourself against it is? do you see why Im saying you're a hypocritical sjw complaining about based boards?

>>6663069
>Chanology was a cancerous movement
thoughts on gamergate?

>>6662308
so idolfags would commit suicide or go back to /r9k/
so this place will finally become legible with out these rrat posters out

>>6663054
I'd argue Roberu and Shien being in the good graces of Crossick is a pretty good get. Plus Roberu has now done multiple collabs with Ryushen(if they're considered a girl) and now Kaede has taken notice of him thanks to Maimoto and Tenkai

>>6662789
>Hololive fans do not spend a single second thinking about Nijis
What do you mean? They live rent free in their brains. Everytime Hololive achieves a major feat, the first thing they do is spam the board with "T-TAKE THAT NIJINIGGERS!" how can you call that anything but obsessed?

>>6663115
I'm not whoever you think you're replying to, but if you think anybody is unironically pushing tranny shit on this website you're out of your fucking mind. Twitter trannies stay on Twitter. Artemis bait threads are just that, bait. You're fighting a civil war.

>>6662756
they are. look at the contempt these people have for 4chan and anti-lgbt posters. they're getting exposed. one guy I'm arguing with think chanology was cancerous because they hurt people's feelings.

>>6663054
That's why I say is because pity, because big numbers doesn't want them, even in their own company.

>>6662308
They can’t accept that the main reason why the girls don’t collab with the Stars are their shitty numbers

>>6663134
Noble goal, but ruined all semblance of actual discussion on /v/. Gatekeep your hobbies so there's not a repeat of that in relation to vtubers.

>>6662865


this

>>6662903
i really wish Hiroyuki would just nuke /vt/ at this point,
its like the bastard child of /pol/ and /r9k/

rrat posters are literally just Qanon descendents.

>>6662860
If you are referring to the numbers thread, it is not exclusive to Hololive, people just want to see big numbers like when Kuzuha gets bigger number than Pekora and vice versa, If numbers triggers you so much, then you should avoid threads that are specifically made for that purpose

>>6662865
Collaborating with males isn't against "idol culture" Redditchama, unless you don't see Sora as an idol.

>>6662308
Hololive is cute girls doing cute things. Assume anyone pushing what you mention, to be an infiltrator that should be gatekept by the method of your choosing.

>>6662865
no they don't, they just want the money,
look at what noel said about it.

collab with males = reduced supa chat amount

Where in the "Idol culture rules" does it say you cannot acknowledge men AT ALL? Having a boyfriend is definitely a no no, but working with men on projects is not a problem. If the actual idol holos like Sora and Suisei are allowed to do it while still being considered "idols," what rule is there preventing the fake idols from doing it?

>>6663339
Sora is an infiltrator?

>>6662662
>They already ruined anime with all the shitty loli pandering
Kill yourself. I don't give a fuck about the other shit you posted, but to ignore the fact that lolis have always been a part of anime is retarded. Watch more anime faggot, or get filtered by cute and funny. Liking cute and funny anime doesn't make you an incel you fag

>>6662884
eilene was the queen of vtubers and started in 4chan chan faggot, you idolfags ARE the normalfags,
akb48 is literally the most normalfag group in the entirety of japan, its literally popcorn junk food of the idol world, there are many idolgroups who don't care about the male dating ban or interaction ban, and actually have talent and doesn't rely on sex appeal to sell their reccords like akb.

>>6663198
>ut if you think anybody is unironically pushing tranny shit on this website you're out of your fucking mind.
>become lamy
>pro-anituber collabs
>defending EN collabing with sjw filled anime expo
all of those are lgbt and sjw threads.
>artemis bait threads
there is no bait, the reason you're using bait is to deflect away from gatekeepers destroying you and you're running away with a tail between your legs with "just joking". you will keep posting about it and will guage how long the threads stay up just to see if they're allowed.

>>6663275
>But ruined all semblance of actual discussion on /v/
ever since /v/ went full anti-tranny after they exposed a mod letting pro-lgbt raids happen on that board, I've had more fruitfiul discussion there than anything before. I dont take trannies like you seriously. you're not fooling anyone with "actual discussion".

anyway, I think I proved my point to the lurkers on how the pro-diversity and more male collabs are of the same ideology since you're here attacking /v/, /pol/ and /tv/. they all have only one common theme, its anti-sjw. that's what really grinds your gears and I hit the nail on the head.

>>6663339
flirting is cute though...

>>6662789
exactly, holofags think they have clout,
no they don't they are literally the loud minority,
the silent minority don't engage with these threads and stay in their own boards.

>>6663227
>one guy I'm arguing with think chanology was cancerous because they hurt people's feelings
It was cancerous because it made a bunch of newfags come in and say "HEY CAN YOU GUIS RAID THIS GUY I DON'T LIKE FOR ME?", not because of any libshit reasoning. NYPA is a longstanding rule for good reason, and anybody pushing 4chan as a way of perpetrating some kind of change on the outside world is a newfag at heart.

I'm convinced most people on this site that talk about "idol culture" base their entire definition on this moment

>>6663332
>Collaborating with males isn't against "idol culture" Redditchama
>pro-male collabs
>calls others reddit
do libcucks really?

remember guys, women talking to men are whores, that's why i will never have a girlfriend and that's why i can't function in society, being a virgin with rage made me this way, so please tell me how based i am, i need yous and please tell all the people not thinking like us to go back, oh wait, is this place an echochamber too? oh no

>>6663376
No rules preventing them from doing it, and no one gets mad when they do it either. No one got mad when Marine appeared on the show with beatmario, no one got mad when Shion got on the radio show with Sugita.
Maybe the real problem is with people who get upset because the girls aren't collabing with the guys they want to see.

>>6662308
Nothing, no benefits. They just disgusting shippers who have zero relationship irl and like to project themselves on some e-celeb using anime avatar. Or they are homobeggars who undermine the homos hardwork to incline by pushing them to collab with the girls.
>"just collab with the girls if you want to incline."
This is the real thoughts this beggars actually have but masking it as if the girls has the obligation to help them incline.
>And also, male/female collabs are cringe, boring, and feel really force. Male/male or female/female is where the kino shits at.

>>6663505
those guys are pretty based

>>6663429
>become lamy is trannyshit
>Artemis never gets used as bait, ever
You're a special kind of retarded, aren't you? Keep fighting that good fight and talking about axewounded males instead of vtubers on the vtuber board. If you think endless wojak spamming counts as "fruitful discussion" it's no wonder you can't see bait for what it is, your eyesight is fucked beyond belief.

>>6663416
annoying orange never collabed with a male, tourist

>>6663506
It's Reddit to call things you don't understand "idol culture", yes. Collaborating with males has never gone against being an idol and plenty of 3D idols do it as well. If it went against Hololive's image it simply would not be allowed. But please, do keep projecting.

Yagoo should just stop with his personal boy band idea and transfer the poor boys to Nijisanji. They'd surely treat the talents better than Cover treats them.

>>6663465
>anybody pushing 4chan as a way of perpetrating some kind of change on the outside world
your contempt for 4chan exposes you more than your long paragraphs do. anyone who thinks 4chan of something as lesser and something to be talked down to is not from here.

>>6663582
>Keep fighting that good fight and talking about axewounded males instead of vtubers on the vtuber board.
I will for the simple fact that you dont seem to care much about tranny and lgbt shit being spammed here but for some reason anons talking about it and exposing it or defending against it is a no-no and NOW they should talk about vtubers? when you didnt care about it before? who are you fooling really?

its the same way, you want diversity shit pushed everywhere but for some reason, whenever non-whites are not included in any films, you get riled up dont you?

>>6663634
shut up, redditor. 4chan cares more about idol culture because we dont have cuck fetishists like reddit spamming male collabs.

>>6663582
>become lamy is trannyshit
YES

>>6663195
Uh huh, but circlejerking over Maimoto's 190k baseball collab for months is totally ok I guess.

>>6663505
whats wrong with this pic again?

>>6663533
>as if the girls has the obligation to help them incline.
Considering how many of the girls had to leech on other vtubers to get to where they are now, the fact that basically all of them shut themselves off from anyone that isn't "hololive" the second they became big shows their true character and I don't like it. This is why in my opinion, Fubuki, Matsuri, Sora, AZKi, Mel, Choco, and Roboco are the only genuinely nice ones. The rest simply lie to others and hope you won't look too deep into it.

>>6663820
Cope holobrony, it'll be more than 200k this year and Coco got fired by your black company for not wanting to bow to idolshit so she can't save you this time.

>>6663857
Considering how many external collabs Suisei does in the Vsinging music scene both in concerts and covers, including one five woman cover including one very new V singer dropped this evening, I won't say Suisei has shut herself from those outside Hololive either.

>>6663768
>your contempt for 4chan exposes you more than your long paragraphs do
If you don't abide by NYPA the only person who hates 4chan here is you. You clearly want every board to be spammed by 13 year olds asking the posters here to organize raids for them. Rules exist for a good reason and those that attempt to break them have, and always will be subverters.

>>6663931
Are nijisanji fans still seething over Coco's big graduation numbers? Wow

>>6663768
Collaborating with males does not go against idol culture. It is allowed in both the 2D and 3D idol space. No amount of cope will change this fact. Sora and Matsuri are not less of idols for collaborating with men.

>>6663820
>circlejerking over Maimoto's 190k baseball collab for months
Talking about imaginary posters won't make it true, anon. The baseball tournament was never really brought up until chumbabies wanted something to flex their numbers on. Also
>>6663931
>>6664034
Stop samefagging. That's just petty.

>>6663989
Nene was in that cover too, and has collabed outside of hololive with Kotone and Deron.
Aki just had a collab outside of hololive this week.
Flare has done multiple collabs with Patra this year alone.
Roboco does outside collabs too. So does Polka.
In the first place the only ones who had to "leech" to get where they are, if it's even true, were gen 1 and gen 2, and the rest don't owe other vtubers anything.

>>6664016
NYPA only applies against trannies calling for a raid. 4chan regularly used to raid pro-sjw shit.
its cute how you pretend to know about chanology but dont realize who they used to raid kek.
>noooo you cant raid this twitter tranny pushing lgbt stuff because NYPA
is not a rule and never happened.
you can leave now.

>>6664094
>Collaborating with males does not go against idol culture
seems like I am indeed right over the target in pro-illegal refugees and pro-male collabs being of the same ideology. thanks for confirming that

>>6664194
Trannies weren't even on 4chan's brain when NYPA was thought up. If anything feminists were. It gets used in equal frequency to 13 year old boys using /b/ for the first time and /lgbt/ raiders. You have no idea how new you are.

>>6664112
>The baseball tournament was never really brought up
I guess my memory is fading because it was brought up several times back in summer 2020.

>>6664246
You have no argument. Even AKB48, on which Hololive was based, collabed with males. But by all means keep trying.
https://youtu.be/eNK2pCwBYhI

>>6664298
Yes, it was talked about during the time period that it happened (how shocking?) but you said it was circlejerked for months. Why are you contradicting yourself?

>>6662308
>What's the benefit to me as a viewer?
Oga, Aruran and Izuru are incredibly based and I'm glad I took the time to look them up.

>>6664380
>You have no argument.
I really dont think you could have made my argument easier by mentioning akb48
AHAHAHAHAH
thank you

>>6664380
>You have no argument. Even AKB48

>>6664462
>AKB48 are unpopular
>This makes them not idols, somehow, and not Cover's named inspiration
You're embarrassing yourself.

>>6664380
>You have no argument. Even AKB48, on which Hololive was based, collabed with males.
hahahhah
>cuck fetishist proves my point
hilarious

>>6664462
>>6664508
You are delusional if you think it's because this is because they talked to men on camera

>>6664526
>>6664559
Unpopular idols are still idols. They are still Hololive's direct inspiration. Hololive abides by idol rules. Collaborating with men does not go against idol rules.

>>6664588
>he thinks there are god given rules about idols

take meds

>>6664380
that guy is a creative designer for a clothing line. So a) probably gay and b) its a shill stream in a professional setting. nobody gets mad at hololive girls collabing with YAGOO

>>6662308
WTF there a male vtubers?!

>>6664573
>it's because this is because they talked to men on camera
oh but it is

>>6664619
>god given rules about idols
there LITERALLY are...

>>6663857
You better start respecting Suichan.

AKB48 will debut as vtubers soon, you heard it here first

>>6664619
Contextually, we are talking about a pop idol group that takes inspiration from AKB48, not gravure idols or what have you. Whereas rules change from group to group, it's clear that collaborating with men is not a universal no-no unlike say, the more common renai ban.
>>6664641
None of that changes the fact that it's a collaboration with a male.

>>6664588
>Unpopular idols are still idols.
>gets destroyed by bringing up an example of collabs with men ruined an idol company
>unpopular idols are still idols
wait why do you think we want unpopular idols? we want popular idols who are pure. why would I want my oshi to be unpopular? do you see your pro-male collab argument breaking down in real time?

There is nothing stopping them to have collabs with males. Many of them did, or do.
They collab with people they find interesting.
Coco did a collab with that yakuza guy with the prisoner outfit, but couldn't remember a single name from holostars.
People even complain about them playing APEX, or if they don't collab with other girls enough.
People like Lamy panders to the demographic of people who doesn't want collabs with males, so she doesn't otherwise she would lose money. Aqua, Kanata and maybe others say they aren't comfortables with mens.
It's their choice, really.

Fans who keep saying hologirls should have more male collabs should hang themselves.

>>6664828
>wait why do you think we want unpopular idols? we want popular idols who are pure
I don't care about what anybody wants. I'm not a homobeggar or a Nijinigger like you probably believe and I am not crying at Rushia's doorstep begging for her to give Astel the time of day. I am simply making the argument that it is not against idol culture like you claimed to collaborate with men. Because it is not.

Admit it, you gosling for an avatar that happens to have a voice actor. You chucklefucks just can't differentiate between them.
An avatar can't cuck you or betray you. Only the person behind it can, and they are not really important.

>Uses a vtuber who collabs with males on songs as the op

Leaving that aside, it's more a matter of using in-house resources. Holostars probably has at least a couple of good vocalists, I hope, so when they see Suisei collabing in songs with people from the outside, it looks disingenuous, why not use what you have at hand (the answer is obvious, she's the one leeching from people outside of the vtubersphere)

Then again, from what I've read holostars also avoid hololive like the plague out of fear of being witch-hunted by crazy fans. Overall, there's no benefit to them collabing to each other, the girls don't gain popularity and the guys can only harvest antis from them, it's a total loss.

>>6662308

they don't want male collabs lol

>>6664918
>I am simply making the argument that it is not against idol culture
when I talk about baseball or basketball or footy, I talk about players being best at them. I dont use the worse examples of the players in that game because they're outliers.
the fact that you're trying to push an outlier as the norm is hilarious part here. I dont care about outliers. I dont care about worse idols. I care about good idols and chuubas who can emulate the best idol they can be.

outliers are just that. outliers. just like bad players are just that, bad players.

>>6664993
>(the answer is obvious, she's the one leeching from people outside of the vtubersphere)
but she did a collab with two men recently that have less subs than any holostar.

>>6665053
Anon, do you or do you not think collaborating with males is against idol culture? I don't care for all of this beating around the bush shit. Idols collaborate with men all of the time. Whether it makes them less popular is irrelevant to the simple fact that it is allowed under their contracts and does not break any company rules.

>>6664828
>pure
NO FUCKING HUMAN BEING IS PURE
Im not religious or Christian, but they or the Catholics or whatever have a point about humans bearing some kind of sin. Not original sin, but the sin of being yet another waste of space. Humans are maggots, feeding on shit they created and creating more shit. Humans are the enemy of purity
No one is fucking pure. YOU CANNOT BE THE THING YOU DESTROY. HUMANS CANNOT BE PURE

>>6665053
>I dont use the worse examples of the players in that game because they're outliers
if anything the top players are the outliers in any sport, are you retarded

>>6665133
Arguing in circles is lifeblood of this board

i think pandering to unicorns is no better than pandering to China. Instead of considering Taiwan a country, all it takes is accidentally saying "he" in a story instead of "she" for your office to be firebombed for scamming poor saps out of money for years.

>>6665057
Were they vtubers? Collabing with normies makes sense because you bring in people from outside the vtubersphere, collabing with less popular people from within the vtubersphere makes no sense, those people already know who you are and simply do not care.

>>6665133
its against idol culture because idol companies have lost popularity after letting their talents collab regularly with men
you also proved my point by using an idol company which was famous when they had the no dating rule but lost their popularity after the collabs and interactions became regular.

I really want to thank you for bringing up akb48 to prove my point on how male collabs are not idol culture.

>>6665266
>Were they vtubers?
yes

>>6665178

>NO FUCKING HUMAN BEING IS PURE

that's why they use characters, dummie

>>6665178
>im not religious or christian
it shows, I'm not taking purity arguments from atheists who push tranny shit on kids, you can kill yourself for all I care

>>6665273
>its against idol culture because idol companies have lost popularity after letting their talents collab regularly with men
Not how it works. If it happens regularly enough for it to be a well establish standard, it is a part of idol culture. Collaborating with men does not go against idol culture in any way.
Go ahead and name a popular idol group that hasn't collaborated with men, by the way. I challenge you. Momoieo Clover Z has done it, Girls' Generation has too. I don't know what groups you consider popular so you'll have to fill me in here.

>>6662308
It's really dumb, especially when they mention that it's normal with the rest of the industry. You have all these vtubers that have what you want and yet you choose to complain about hololive not having the garbage you want. There's nothing wrong with Hololive being unicorn central, stop begging for muh male collabs already.

Imagine twisting your panties because your cute avatar is talking to a man, the level of insecurity you guys have is off the charts, you don't even know who she is retards, literally get a life, socialize

>>6665462
did I thank you for mentioning how male collabs are not idol culture by mentioning akb48 who lost their popularity after doing the above? I really am grateful for helping me strengthen my argument against male collabs.

>>6665527
Every single popular idol group has collaborated with men. Whatever idol group you consider currently popular has collaborated with men. Mori, from Hololive as I'm sure you're familiar - has collaborated with men. She still gets fat akasupas every stream.

>>6665506
oh yes, i need to think like you and make this a hugbox echochamber just like redit, how fucking dense are you motherfucker

Just admit you only care because you yourself are in a parasocial relationship with a holo. Nobody believes your "it's IDOL CULTURE" arguments, even Japanese people think that's a load of crap and will fully admit they are just obsessed with a girl

>>6665615
Vshojo and Nijisanji and all the countless indies are that way faggot.

>>6665281
>>6665057
Himashokudo is bigger than you think, they did drama cd with Sugita and KugiRie
https://youtu.be/Ju8mjO0qA74

>>6665664
Chad move, much better to acknowledge your taste than to appeal to a higher concept.

>>6665462
>be popular idol company with no male collabs
>do male collabs
>lose popularity
you
>IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY LOST POPULARITY, ITS IDOL CULTURE

do you see why you're struggling to defend your argument when you're ignoring the loss of popularity directly to male collabs. of course every popular idol company has male collabs, thats not the point, the point is them losing popularity after that which you're conveniently ignoring.

>>6665584
>Every single popular idol group has collaborated with men.
and lost popularity, yes. this is why I know what is idol culture and what isnt. just because a cuck fetishist like you cherishes it doesnt mean majority do.

>>6665615
>make this a hugbox echochamber
this wont happen because trannies and sjws cant argue or survive without censorship because their ideology can get torn apart by 10 year olds.

>>6665701
>>Every single popular idol group has collaborated with men.
>and lost popularity, yes
Citation needed

>>6662308
Amerimutts have been conditioned to love blacked and cuckoldry to weaken men and society in general. Amerimutts now all of a sudden also support Communism and want balkanization too and the only thing stopping it from happening is the constitution. But the moment the States start separating China and Russia will become the undisputed world powers. Basically the world will be ruled by these 2.

>>6665701
>IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY LOST POPULARITY, ITS IDOL CULTURE
This but unironically. Culture is defined by what the majority engage in. If the majority of idols engage in male collabs, it is not contradictory to idol culture. You are coping hard.
>>6665701
>and lost popularity, yes
No. A google search tells me that Momoiro Clover Z is currently the most popular idol group. They have collaborated with men. Would you like to correct me and tell me what idol group actually is most popular if you disagree?

Fretting over who they interact with on screen is kind of lunatic given that you know for a fact all the stage hands and management are men. The only difference is whether you see them interacting with men on screen or not, which is a valid preference to have, but you can bet they all interact with men and very much depend on men on a daily basis

you guys are no better than furries or diaperfags, stop thinking your fetish is alright, i'ts not, you are mentally ill and those girls behind the animated avatars own you nothing, they SHOULD collab with men, they should do whatever they want so THEY can be happy and not get pushed away like coco or haachama, you don't care about them, you only care about you.

>>6665862
>If the majority of idols engage in male collabs, it is not contradictory to idol culture. You are coping hard.
but they dont due to them losing popularity after male collabs. you're gonna have to try harder if you want your cuck fetish to become popular.

>>6666024
>but they dont due to them losing popularity after male collabs
Well now you're just exposing that you know nothing about idols. That's why you refuse to name any more idol groups after I prompted you to do so multiple times, right? It's funny how obvious you are, but just accept that you're wrong.

>>6665981
They could collab with males if they wanted to, and have multiple times without this supposed army of angry unicorns cancelling them. You seem like you're pushing what YOU want onto the girls. They owe you nothing and if they only want to collab with male professionals that's their right.

>>6666080
>That's why you refuse to name any more idol groups
I think we already established that with akb48? you want to move goalposts to other idol companies now? cute

>>6664766
VRT48 will come

>>6666222
We did establish that AKB48 collaborates with men, yes. We also established how every idol group collaborates with men. If anything this just proves my point further:
>If the majority of idols engage in male collabs, it is not contradictory to idol culture. You are coping hard
But thanks for calling me cute.

>>6663857
They leeched off random nobodies and somehow became 10x more popular than these people they were supposedly leeching off? Interesting.

Male colalbs are great because they make GFE fags seethe, I hope your oshi collabs with a male at some point if thats enough for you to lose your shit.

>>6665862
>If the majority of idols engage in male collabs, it is not contradictory to idol culture
So why do we want this to happen exactly? I like idol culture the way it is

>>6666323
Miko wasn't some million sub channel out of nowhere, before the viral clip she was on the verge of graduating, collabing with any channel that was remotely larger than her in hopes of getting subs from them.

>>6666384
Collaborating with men is not at all contradictory to idol culture. They have been collaborating with men since it's creation. Nothing is being changed.

>>6666382

just change tabs lol

>>6662658
That's horrible. Poor iofi.

>>6666434
Doing professional events with men attending is different than fraternizing with men casually.

>>6663533
>female/female collab
Mega cringe, usually fake and gay. Women just aren't funny most of the time.
>male/female collab
Clash between male and female mindset. High chance of being fun.
>male/male collab
This is where the kino begins.

>>6666862
Collaborations are professional events. They're part of their job, and often serve as networking events. Offpako is fraternizing and that's already banned.

>>6662658
Based jap. Fuck the womanlet alien.

>>6666932
Playing APEX with someone is not a professional event.

>>6667015
>Literal nobody
>no likes on the post
>account suspended

Wow guys, this guy has some sway, we better listen to him

>>6667059
They hated him because he told the truth

>>6667101
Shut the fuck up idolfag

>>6667021
That's probably the worst example of a non-professional game you could have given. Plenty of vtubers take that game as seriously as a second job, vtubers like Towa and Matsuri have made tons of connections with vtubers of other companies through it and their interactions within the game are closely monitored by Cover precisely because it's a professional event. Not to mention all of the competitions which are made to promote the participating companies as a whole centered around it.

>>6667059
One based Jap with no followers speaking the truth has more power than all the blue checkmarks in the world speaking falsehood

>>6662453
Potentially fun stream and lost gachikoi
Ogey

>>6667126
APEX is a videogame for children. I made all my business connections playing Mario 64 bro.

>>6667168
You get paid to play Mario 64? I'm jealous. Those vtubers get a lot of money playing APEX. It's part of their job and it's treated as a professional event.

>>6662658
Based

>>6667059
All it takes is for her to read this post typed out in a minute or less to have her mood ruined for far longer than a minute.

This is why the IDs are all irrelevant garbage you know, even Nijiniggers have more viewers than them.

Damn, 193 post-47 posters...
This thread is full of schizos

>>6666402
Then why did she not incline when she was 'leeching' on other people?

>>6667403
>NijiID
>bigger than HoloID
anon...?

>>6667405
The fact someone told the discord trannies that there's supposed to be 1:1 ratio of posts to IPs in threads will never not be funny to me. You retards ate it up and regurgitate it every thread too.

>>6667481
t. Made 70 posts in this thread alone

>>6667407
Because leeching doesn't work, what made her succesful were clippers and GTA streams, later all Hololive had their boom in which she got obviously benefited

>>6667407
Because version 1.0 Miko is ugly, Miko's voice filtered a lot of people and she wasn't very interesting in the collabs. She's lucky that she chose to play GTA one day because she would've given up a month or so later had she played literally any other game.

>>6667500
Then why are people arguing that collabing with other Vtubers will help other Vtubers to incline?

>>6667540
collabing does work when you know how to use it. if you collab and then don't stream for another 3 days after the collab, the collab was completely pointless. If you do a collab that was super well received ad then do a good stream the next day or later that original day, you will get a ton of new fans and grow like crazy from it because you knew how to take advantage of the gained attention.

>>6667540
Collabing gives you exposure, not actual subscribers, these people thinks that collabs will make Holostars famous or something kek
(In my opinion as I said before, collaborating should be a right, not an obligation for them so I don't care at all)

This thread is gay, but spread this around, it's you holocucks' newest recruit

>>6667654
Did Miko not stream every after collabs?

>>6667718
would be nice if you could give context

>>6667757
It's this Shachi girl. She's going to be joining Hololive. Her boyfriend is the account that took that pic of her on the left. Mind you she's open about having a boyfriend.

>>6667730
it's not just whether or not she streamed after the collab, it's also whether or not she made a big enough impression IN THE COLLAB. That's why during Holocomi, Roberu's subcount doubled following their segment while Astel and Temma didn't move at all. Roberu made a really strong impression during the event and since he used to stream every day and he had just hit 10k subs around the same time as the event, he had an actual celebration stream really close to the event that also made a lot of people want to throw their support behind him because of the things he said during it.

>>6667670
Holostars are imo not that entertaining. Niji dudes are better and even streamers from CR who are not vtubers. DARUMA LOVE!

>>6667798
Oh nice, this'll be spicy, I want to see how this'll pan out

>>6667829
Then, Miko doesn't owe her incline in 'leeching' because made nothing on the collabs she's done?

>>6662308
Those people don't like the fanbase that Hololive panders to want to "BTFO the toxic idol culture" or whatever.
I'm sure there's a few people that genuinely just want to see their favorite Hololive girl interact with a male Vtuber they like and think that their collab would be fun to watch, but those are a minority and most of them just want male collabs for the sake of having male collabs and making the girls idolfags upset.

>>6667840
Same, I don't dislike them but they lack some charisma that most in Hololive have

>>6662308
>Hololive should have more male collabs
I have never seen a HOLOLIVE fan (not to be confused with holostars) say that.
It must be nijifags wanting this so that the Holos views drops.

>>6667955
>I have never seen a HOLOLIVE fan (not to be confused with holostars)
Most people who say this are clipnigger Hololive fans who don't even watch the stars, cope with your shitty fanbase

>>6667718
>pronouns in bio

>>6668045
That's DeviantArt dumbass, the site literally forces you to put pronouns, there's no option to turn it off

>>6667931
That's what I thought

>>6667798
Like half of holoen were also open about that before debuting

>>6668134
Name one of them retard

>>6668151
do your roomate reps

>>6663195
Just minority holofag
And 4chan is warzone

>>6668161
I know damn well what you're referring to and none of the girls had a boyfriend they didn't break up with before debut, unlike Shachi here

>>6668181
Gura is still with Jay. She bought her switch after joining Hololive and had him added as a friend.

>>6668218
After that occurred he made mention of being single on stream, unless you buy into the "he was lying" narrative, in which case all of his tweets about being depressed post-breakup also don't make sense

>>6668244
My question tho, didnthey ever meet IRL or it's just another relationship in the internet only because Gura's roommate is known to be undoxxable, right?

>>6668339
Gura’s last doxx is known to be the right one, it’s the reason why she doesn’t talk much about her life on stream anymore since her story about working at the pet store helped in solidifying her identity.

>>6668339
huh? she has been doxxed plenty of times.

>>6667955
is this 3d with some post processing to make it look like pixel art?

>>6668244
They had problems or she abandoned him because she became famous?

>>6668400
yeah, but most of the time, they are false doxx tho(I deleted my previous post because I just thought it might get me banned)

>>6668456
the doxx from her debut was literally correct. I don't know what's allowed to post here but I'm not even an enfan and i know all their doxxes

>>6664867
This.

>>6668447
Fuck knows.

oh yes the internet relationship
what the point of dating if each other they never met irl?

>>6668435
looks like just a really clean pixel art turn-around for me

>>6662471
Fubuki should fucking hang for collabing with Holostars.

>>6669027
That's the problem, it's too clean. Definitely a 3d model that has been pixelated. "Pixel" games do it all the time, like Dead Cells for example, because it's just much easier and faster to do.

>>6662438
I think this is what everyone needs to fucking understand

I think the fact that some fans don't want to see any collaborations with men make other fans want to balance that influence by trying to push for more male collabs. I agree it's weird and dumb.

Maybe they think there's a ban on male collabs in hololive? Afaik there isn't. Some people take these idol company meme way too seriously.

>>6663446
eh, public flirting is sometimes really cute and fun. But most of the time it's super cringe imo. doubly so if it's fake. I think it's best avoided.

this roommate boyfriend derail is fucking stupid btw.

>>6662308
>I see people arguing this, but why?
This might be a little meta but gender relations the world over have been stretched to their breaking point in recent years and idolshit doesn't help whatsoever. I personally find co-ed collabs funny as fuck. Usually it's the classic man as the boke, girl as the tsukkomi but it can go way beyond that, the possibilities are endless. Girls dropping their spaghetti is also comedy gold when a man is present.
>Why are people here so desperate to see male vtubers
You don't want your fellow men to have fun and see channel growth? You can have well wishes for someone without wanting to fuck them.
>What's the benefit to the girls
This is the one downside I will admit to. The girls don't really benefit from collabing with a male vtuber unless they're a fan or a friend.
>What's the benefit to me as a viewer
You gain an appreciation for someone new and get to watch more fun collabs.

>>6665506
Well, Hololive members are entertaining while their vtubers aren't. That's why it has to be Hololive.

>>6662308
>Why are people here so desperate to see male vtubers?
Savior fags or people want to see their favorite male chuba with their favorite female one. Myself I just hate the "teehee, no boys" shit and "cute girls doing cute things". It's a juvenile hatred but I'm a man child that wants to kick down the door with a 3 liter of dr thunder, belch loudly and shoot my guns and call the female chuba a faggot then ride out on my heelies with my bros and secretly think that that grill was pretty cute though.
>What's the benefit to the girls?
Nothing if we're talking holos.
>What's the benefit to me as a viewer?
Why the fuck should I care about your garbage taste?

>>6669594
Glad to see such based honesty in this thread instead of people spinning in circles trying to justify it.

>>6669239
>gender relations the world over have been stretch to their breaking point in recent years and idolshit doesn't help whatsoever
WHICH IS FUCKING GOOD>

>>6669239
>gender relations the world over have been stretch to their breaking point in recent years and idolshit doesn't help whatsoever
WHICH IS FUCKING GOOD>

FUCK OFF

Every time I see these people begging for male collabs it reminds me to never check out any male vtubers.

>>6669594
>Savior fags or people want to see their favorite male chuba with their favorite female one
Ah yeah now it makes sense. People that have been begging Subaru to collab with Maimoto are Maimotofags who feel bad that he's not popular anymore and feel like Subaru abandoned their favorite male chuuba. That's pretty fucking pathetic really, do they self-insert as the guy or what?

>>6669594
>Myself I just hate the "teehee, no boys" shit and "cute girls doing cute things". It's a juvenile hatred but I'm a man child that wants to kick down the door with a 3 liter of dr thunder, belch loudly and shoot my guns and call the female chuba a faggot then ride out on my heelies with my bros and secretly think that that grill was pretty cute though.
Did you think this makes you look anything other than an enormous fucking faggot who typed this with a 15 inch dildo up his ass? What was your endgame here? "I'm a retarded redditfag and imma let everyone know it!"?

>>6669239
>This might be a little meta but gender relations the world over have been stretched to their breaking point in recent years and idolshit doesn't help whatsoever
Ah yes the problems of modernity and hypergamy will all go away if we just let the vtubers do co-ed collabs.

>>6670250
No they just have a conscience unlike the holowhores who used the nijis and then threw them away when they were no longer useful for leeching

>>6662308
You're right, "collabing" is too much of a stretch. Right now most Holo girls don't even acknowledge their male co-workers as existing and treat their existence as something to be spoken only in hushed air. So much for Hololive being a large family kek. Solve that first before we're talking anything about male collabs.
And don't use Suisei to shitpost filthy falseflagger, Suisei collabs with males.

>>6662308
vtubing is female dominated
it's a gender equality thing I guess
it's like saying "I want more women in congress"
I just want more decent collabs in general, because I'm not a sexist. don't care about collabs being male, female, dogs, cats, lobsters. I just want cartoons to scream at eachother.

>>6662308
Literally to save, if the same amount of people who beg for male collabs actually watched then they would be in a better situation, they don't care about content it's just pathetic pity

>>6662658
Holy based

>>6670443
>Right now most Holo girls don't even acknowledge their male co-workers as existing and treat their existence as something to be spoken only in hushed air
Good

>So much for Hololive being a large family kek
Homos are not part of Hololive. Holostars are completely seperate and always will be. Enjoy saviorfagging your homos, maybe if you send enough Akasupas they'll fly over and do you in the ass

>>6662308
no kys.

>>6670537
So you're just a braindead consoomer then, what makes you think your opinion is worth anything?

>>6670839
based retard eyes filtered the greentext

>>6662308
Homobeggars are begging for homo collabs because they're buying the kayfabe peddled by Cover that their vtubers are a "big family" and the existence of something that gives indication that it's less that and more a scheme to milk money from schizos, namely that most Holos are downright scared or uncomfortable of remotely acknowledging the existence of Stars, as highly inconvenient.
The Hololive hako-oshi ideal as an agency that embraces all its vtubers inherently conflicts with the fact that it relies on donations of insane schizos that controlled stream content especially among the top superchat earners, the san-kisei. This conflict is why most Holos don't just "avoiding collabs with males", they outright unperson them and are completely frightened when their existence is remotely acknowledged. Alot of vtubers outside Hololive even Nijis don't or rarely collab with males but they don't rely on "warm, close family" psyop nor do they completely repudiate male existence in most cases.

>>6670860
What exactly triggered you so much?

>>6666894
>male/male collab
>This is where the kino begins.
You got that right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl28jnv7dJw

>>6670961
Watame didn't have a problem talking about Roberu in the main channel. Noel was abls to address she doesn't she is choosing not to collab with Males. Not just holostars. Coco always had a holostar meme and the girls react to them fine. You are exaggerating. Many don't talk about them because a lot of the viewers don't even want to talk about them so there is no point to raise an unwanted topic.

>>6670799
>Homos are not part of Hololive
Yes, that's the main Holocope: wall off a part that inconveniences the narrative of "warm, united family" and completely exclude them from the narrative instead of complicating it as "sometimes there are people who don't want to collab with each other in our company and that's fine". It doesn't work for earlier Holos like Sora, FBK, and Matuli who largely treated Stars as equals, it doesn't even work for Watame who lashed out when fans criticized her for interacting with a male coworker saying that she has every right to do it. It works for more moneyhungry Holos who rode on "idol culture" to justify milking the schizos though.

>>6666894
Are you a disgusting fujo. Many female collabs don't rely on kayfabe or even gay shit. You are using the 1 of the many that doesn't btw. She collabs with Towa and they don't act or pretend like anything that is out of the ordinary.

>>6670961
This. Hololive is pandering to simps with the GFE. They can still be entertaining, and I don't like seeing a female streamer having fun with another guy while I'm watching, but it's primarily for muh idol culture and muh gachibux.

The stars themselves aren't even the biggest issue, nor are the gachis who hold their whores accountable. Even the whores aren't responsible. It's the impurity fetishists (cucks, envious impure whores who want to destroy other women to make themselves feel better, and homostar wannabes who only want to be homos so they can try to collab with and fuck their oshi) who are the biggest impediment to male collabs. Everyone cares more about gatekeeping these extreme undesirables even at the expense of entertainment value, and for good reason. Allowing male collabs for GFE streamers is just too much of a liability.

With niji, they're an ice cream shop serving different flavors of the same thing. People expect smidges of flavor to get mixed into other flavors because they use the same spoon to dole out the goods. They're not trying to be your friend or girlfriend. Their business model doesn't hinge on overtly grooming and exploiting lonely men as the entirety of their profit model. It's just a collection of minor ecelebs that may shout you out and play vidya with you, and that's a hell of a lot more respectable.

It's why niji's get away with male collabs and don't suffer from constant rrats, drama or bad PR. In fact, corrupting a niji would probably backfire and make her more popular, which would absolutely kill impurity fags. There's literally no victory to be had, no closet sluts or idol fags to dunk on. Because that's why they do it, just to destroy what others enjoy. That's why Holo collabs can't happen unless holos stop doing GFE/idolism. And we know they won't, because there's too much money at stake and most have little else to offer. Being genuinely entertaining without using male list as a crutch is just too hard for most women.

>>6662741
>shippers
>unicorns
>beggars
The worst parts of all fanbases. Literally where all the schizos are...

>>6671416
You're replying to someone who doesn't watch the girls and is probably just seething over that one Rushia clip.

>>6662793
Holy shit iofi.... i feel bad

>>6662556
>why specifically male collabs?
If it's redditors then they're just collab beggars who don't even watch hololive, they ask collabs with holostars because see >>6670961 they're buying the narrative of Cover is a "big family" and insisted that Holostars is the part of this big family.
For anyone else sane the issue is not "Why" but rather "Why not". Collabs can be good and bad whether they're between same or different genders. Excluding males doesn't seem to be a big deal but it's a symptom of a disease of alot of Holos being dependent to schizos for their income, which is kinda a big deal. Also the way some Holos treated the Stars as nonexistent while playing on "big family" kayfabe is kinda low, but eh everyone sane and well-adjusted knows that "Holo big family" is fake. I just watch Holos I personally enjoy like Suisei, Azki or Sora.

>>6671989
Who don't even watch *holostars, fuck

>>6671494
They literally aren't. Hololive and Hololive Productions are not the same thing.
"HoloPro" did not even exist when the Stars debuted, they were just a different group that belonged to Cover.
Even the Holostars themselves and girls like Fubuki will refer to Holostars and Hololive as seperate things.

>>6670961
homobeggars beg for collabs because nobody watches the homos

I enjoy Hololive and I don't want to see it become low grade garbage like Nijisanji. Keep the males away.

Idolfags should hang, unicorns should hang.
Your oshi has wild sex every night with her boyfriend and spends YOUR money when they hang out.

>>6662658
I wonder if this same guy thinks the Chinks were going to far when they harassed Coco

>>6662308
>Why are people here so desperate to see male vtubers? What's the benefit to the girls?
Some of us are gay, you know.

>>6669239
>You gain an appreciation for someone new and get to watch more fun collabs.

Just like I appreciate niggers and trannies in my games nowadays?, inclusivity doesn't work, stop ruining other ppl hobbies, faggot.

>>6662308
they just want to subvert and destroy something men like

>>6664993
>(the answer is obvious, she's the one leeching from people outside of the vtubersphere)
It's called network building, faggot. She's not a leech. She collabs with people with less subs than her all the time

>>6667500
I would hope Miko benefited from the Hololive boom considering she's one of the main reasons it happened in the first place.

>>6662308
unicorns, goslings and GFEfags don't deserve catering to, giving them a refuge only makes their insanity escalate until they're kidnapping women and dressing them up in Ame's detective outfit. The delusion has to be broken

>>6679455
Then go watch them

>>6679455
You're faggots, we know.

>>6667407
Because a big detail that always gets left out by Miko's antis is that she was already bigger than the channels she was allegedly leeching off of when they collabed. If anything they were leeching off of her.

>>6665864
Funny that the most common-sense post in this thread gets completely ignored.

>>6669239
>You don't want your fellow men to have fun and see channel growth?
Honestly, at the end of the day vtubing is a worthless pursuit and so it should only be performed by women. Men should be doing more productive things with their creative energies.

>>6669239
You reek of low-test. I can't shake the feeling if I was fucking your girlfriend like the useless cumdumpster she is you'd be basedfacing in the background in glee.

>>6662308
Because those people are males who want to be vtubers but they know nobody watches male vtubers so they want to change that by having them leech off of the Holos' popularity which, according to their delusions, will create a market for them.

>>6662308
Because I don't want my oshi to reach her 40's unmarried.

You want some unadulterated truth? Any holo who wants to collab with a male is free to do it, that's been publicly stated already, and those who don't are choosing not to. Maybe they just don't want to see those akasupas go down, maybe they personally just don't feel comfortable collabing with males, maybe they feel like it would be betraying a good chunk of the most loyal section of their fanbase to do so, maybe they're afraid that they'll be overshadowed in a stream by someone with several times less subs than them, whatever their reasons are, (you) will never know for sure. Asking holos for collabs with males is fine, as is not watching a holo because she won't collab with males. Once again, that's just individual choice. Now, reprimanding holos for not collabing with somebody when they haven't the slightest obligation to do so, that's when you start to enter schizo territory.

>>6687889
This is the one. Managers are going to be there and warn talent about anonymous schizo forums that will hulk out if they dare collab, and talent is going to make their own decisions based on the reality of how their audience will react.

>>6662308
There is no benefit for you. I am so deep in the parasocial hole I want to normalize males being part of hololive so that I have a higher chance of meeting my oshi in person

>>6670860
I mean if you're not a consumer of the product, why would Cover listen to you, edgelord?

Just admit you're insecure, guys

>>6687889
A lot of them are straight up afraid of men. I think it was Noel who said she doesn't like talking to men outside of her immediate family. But I could be wrong; that may have been a different Holo.

>>6688383
Well imagine if the presences of men can destroy your career, I'd be afraid of them too.

>>6687889
It's cringey for people to force interactions. It's already hard enough for many to interact with the same gender let alone with the opposite sex. If they want to collab they will collab. Many already see how people will react because we have clear examples in the other holos that do collab with dudes. They are just choosing not to. Not a big deal to many.

When Mori collabs with kokorobeats or sings a song with someone from holostars, its a professional collab with no emotions beyond being colleagues.
When Ollie squeals like a stuck pig whore because she played apex with connor ONCE, shes showing her audience that she would have far more fun playing with a boy she fancies, than streaming to her fans.

No man wants to watch a girl they thought wasnt a whore, act like a whore. Just as much, no one wants to see a man that views their favorite female vtuber as pray, interact with them in any way. Whether prey means easy content for their own channel or seeking a possible relationship beyond strict work associates, it doesnt matter. Even the smallest thought of this makes the fans worry.

>>6671533
I'm a regular Nose watcher, I posted her because she's one of the few funny women in vtubing. Unfortunately she collabs with Towa a few times, who is not funny at all, so I have never seen a single Nose Towa collab after the first one.

lol

>>6695174

>>6704743
>Guys it's [CURRENT YEAR]
uh huh

>>6704743
>Can't I just milk the simps while fucking chad on the side? Can't you let me do that!? MUH PERSONAL LIFE
Fuck off cunt.

>>6675065
Inonaka Music is not a part of main Hololive.
Shigure Ui is not a part of main Hololive.
They still get more exposure than Holostars.

>>6667926
NTA, but are you a different person replying to him? It doesn't seem like you're following a conversation given the subject matter and the content of your post.

Miko's popularity is pretty much due to the two GTA clips and the memes of her mikoboat clip.

>>6662308
It's to help you accept that you are never, NEVER going to have sex with your Oshi or her roommate.

>>6662308
It's fun to see Idolfags get pissed off (aka you, OP)
However, if you want good news, it's very unlikely that any of the Holo girls had sex to get their jobs. So rest assured.
Which makes Vtubing unique, unlike 99% of the Idol industry where Idols get the dick from their producers and everyone up the chain.

>>6662658
Now show how many liked that comment

Some losers are just cringe as fuck with their weird obsession.
Just fuck off to Nijisanji or accept that a female only environment is and will always be a Hololive selling point.
No, you won't be a male vtuber. And you won't get to meet them.

>>6713198
There have been some collabs with Holostars before you know.

>>6713246
Yeah but that's not part of their environment. It's something weird that happens outside of the norm and only for a few girls.
Basically you can watch Hololive just fine and the experience is generally girls only. You pretty much never have to deal with guys involved even tho the members can collab with them sometimes.

>>6667118
make me.
I bet you don't donate to all chuubas that you are subbing. Fence sitters come and go. They are replaceable, idolfags are not.

>>6713179
holy shit, kek

>>6713740
>>6713179
>>6662658

oops, forgot to link the comments properly

I fundamentally disagree with people begging for collabs but the culture that exists in the holo fanbase actively makes the idea of homo and holo collabs toxic.
The unicornfags will attack the males and damage the girls reputation with those same fags, which is why both sides avoid each other.
The beggars would leave if they weren't afraid to collab with each other because the girls and guys would eventually either not interact because lack of interest or everyone gets so use to it that it doesn't matter.
If you want beggars to go away, stop giving them a reason to exist in the first place.
>>6683651
Said the faggot complaining on the internet about a male and female talking to each other, you're just as much a part of the problem as the shit you complain about.
You don't want inclusivity? well I guess we'll exclude you since you don't want to be part of it. What? Why are you complaining that we didn't include you, you asked for us to not include you.
You're the reason for things being shitty anon, You are not immune to falling in the same holes you complain about others falling into.
>>6713198
This applies to your point too anon, the same cringe weird obsession exists in the unicornfags who get pissy about the idea of males interacting.
Even if most of the fags in this thread are falseflagging, acting stupid makes stupid people thing they're in good company, thats something no one should want, actual stupid people who actually believes shitty things.

Understand this anons, no one is immune hypocrisy, we all end up being hypocritical but you shouldn't let yourself fall into holes you could easily dodge by actually thinking through you logic more then "I feel this way so its true and only how I see it is true".

>>6711413
Yes and?

>>6662308
I get some of you who dislike males because of "cuck fetish" But
If you dont want tranny pushing lgbt stuff on stream, why are you hating on the homos/males in general when its the most hetero stuff you can get? Why dont you guys get mad to those who do yuri bait which reminds me of that one ss of kiara chat with "lesbian power!!! ".

Bros did you guys see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzGhe6fgKIY

She was practically stripping in front of those guys.

>>6715641
she's matsuri i don't really care if she gets railed by 4 men on stream she's just a cock craving slut like that.

>>6662308
the benefit is actual entertainment, the girls are cute but a avast majority is braindead / panders to coomers and lonely men.
The actually talented chuubas like Botan or Suisei can be watched alone because they actually have something to offer, when it comes to some of the others, they just have to collab or else it will be soporiphic unless you're one of the retarzds thinking that spamming superchats will get them laid with their oshii.

Male vtubers are better entertainer, roberu can turn any collab into a funny stream worth watching, no matter just how boring the girl is.

>>6719328
Why can't Roberu beat the bottom of the barrel in hololive if he's such a good entertainer?