/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6652744
.Live idol division got nuked and their fans all scurried to Hololive as an alternative. So Cover had to changed the culture to accommodate them

>>6652744
gfe makes money, it's as simple as that

fire maimoto fire

>>6652896
this

>>6652896
Were they that significant to change the entire structure of the company though?
Calli and other EN have also mentioned that they were not hired to be idols, but just regular chubas and they were not expected to follow the same idol formula/rules, so wonder if it will change back again as more EN gens are introduced and undoubtedly gain more and more of an audience and thus influence.
Hell, IDs like Ollie are also becoming very popular and her style if far more Niji like.

>>6652896
Did they really gave a big fuck you to their old fans though?

>>6652744
Money. Simple as. I don't like it and prefer the niji esque, holostars with girls from other agencies, and holo ID type experience, but it's obvious the real money is in grown woman pretending to be pure and untouched girls that are also lesbians and want nothing to do with men.

>>6652744
No gen 3 it was still fine for Holo to do collabs with males and Niji. It was gen 4 that was the beginning of neither of them ever happening. Pretty sure the only gen 4 that has ever collab'd with a Niji is Kanata simping for Shiina

>>6653457
Are you retarded? Towa collabs with both Nijis and males all the time.

Because of human gender dynamics.
Try answering a more extreme question: why does no hololive, even non-GFE like Fubuki, feature their boyfriend on stream? After all, some of them are explicitly against GFE and idol stuff, right? And if you blame that on the company, how about the well-known female indies? Once you answer those questions, you start to understand the gender dynamics, even among people who proudly claim they don't fall in love with vtubers or become goslings.

>>6653457
>>6653416
Didn't Coco originally claim that she was the anti-idol but as soon she saw how much money simping made, she dropped the whole thing and also went with the whole no-males thing?

>>6653349
They out number old fan lol, like hololive is sub 1k views before while .Live at their height have nearly the same number as nijisanji( around 4-10k)

>>6653534
Towa collabs with Nijis out of necessity due to her losing all of her JP fans and probably being shunned backstage after the yab, but she doesn't collabs with male "all the time" by any stretch.

>>6653202
The immigrants from Idolbu might totally stab someone if the girls don't do what they want. But now that Hololive has a shitload of eops, those schizos now become the very insignificant minority. The girls don't need to pander to them anymore but they're still the ones throwing red superchat so....

>>6652744
Honestly, I hope Calli has her way and has the other EN collab with the homos and Nijis, why the fuck are they even doing the same thing as the JP when they don't follow the same idol culture though?

>>6652744
It goes back when the stars were introduced out of yagoo's saviorfagging. The bois was debut was real horror. They got dislike bomb and spam on their comments like shittttt... cover then immediately put a official notice that the stars are separate entity and will never interacted with the girls. It got better over time with how they FBK and Matsuri push collab between the 2 branch. As anon said here >>6652896 the rabid .LIVE idolfags were the one behind it but it gets better nowdays. As of why they aint interacted much, it's the girls choice to choose the idol route. Subaru and Aqua choose the idol route, Rushia and Noel choose the maximum GFE route, and you have Matsuri and FBK choose the casual streamer route. The rest of the girls are either too autistic or doesnt have a male chuuba friend to collab with.

>>6653558
>Fubuki, feature their boyfriend on stream?
Do you even foxdemon bro

>>6652744
The people that give the most money don't like seeing their oshi in close proximity with men. These paypigs don't like seeing dudes doing the thing they wishe they could do.

>>6653634
Towa has more JP fans now than ever, also she's done over 30 collabs with males in the last 3 months, that's one every 3 days on average.

>>6653558
>even non-GFE like Fubuki, feature their boyfriend on stream?
No, but collab with males isn't the same as feature their boyfriend, and Fubuki had ton of collabs with males in the past but she shrug off her back with the indie males she used to collab in the past now. That's really petty if you think about it

Was anybody watching back then when it happened?
How weird was it that pretty much overnight the entire way of the company changed in such a drastic way?
I can't imagine Niji suddenly doing the same, but if it happened already with their biggest competitor, who fucking knows, bro
I think its even weirder that an entire branch outright refuses to do that shit, which just makes me think that it isn't some company mandate or anything like that.

>>6653738
>owa has more JP fans now than ever
Because all of her fans come from JP apex viewers, they are used to watch male+female Apex collab, she needs those male Apex streamers to gain more fan or nobody will watch her Apex stream

>>6653934
Sounds like you keep moving the goalpost.

>>6653738
>Towa has more JP fans now than ever
The YT analytics and chat say otherwise, dude.

>>6652744
Maimoto used to be the biggest male, yes, way bigger than Kuzuha/Kanae. In earlier days, no one can manage to have average 15k viewers in every single streams like him. They were collabing with him because he has big NUMBERS, not because he has huge dick.
Now that he fall from grace, Hololive girls don't care about him anymore. Hololive doesn't have 'no male' policy, but there's just no male that deserve to collab with them right now. Kuzuha doesn't even have 1 million subs.

>>6653945
You can find me a popular Apex female Vtuber (have more than 2k views) that never collab with man

>>6652744
Because it's Yagoo's fetish group and the chicks make big bucks duh

>>6653960
What YT analytics? You mean the one random websites make up?
Towa's chat was 70% JP comments in June. That definitely doesn't seem like she "lost all her JP fans".

>>6653945
No, he is right.
You probably weren't there when the yab happened, there is a reason Towa has outright stated that if it wasn't for her western fanbase she would have probably called it quits, western fans usually don't do the idols shit so she knows she can get away with attracting a new type of JP fans who also isn't obsessed with idol shit.
Hence all the fucking APEX

>>6653985
>Maimoto used to be the biggest male, yes, way bigger than Kuzuha/Kanae. In earlier days, no one can manage to have average 15k viewers in every single streams like him.
Stop talk about thing you don't know, newfag

>>6654030
Towa before she collabed with men?
The reason she started collabing with men was because of tournaments, not because nobody was watching her Apex.

More importantly why is the English branch doing the Japanese idol shit instead of something like the ID branch who collabs with whoever the fuck they want?
It has to be some manager bullshit, right? Because all other western vtuber groups have no issues whatsoever with collabing with males, only Holos do that shit and makes no sense culture wise.

>>6653866
ID manager is a big Oga fan

>>6654057
I was there, and plenty of her JP fanbase from that time is still around. She said there were plenty of supportive JP comments at that time as well, but she just didn't want to look at them in general because of the negative ones.
Towa didn't even have 100k subs at the time of her yab, the large large majority of her current fanbase doesn't even know about it (she brought it up in a member's stream recently and a large portion of the chat didn't know what she was talking about).

>>6654030
Easy. Aqua.

>>6654174
Its not bad being different from the competition.

This thread is just making me realized more than anything else, that Towa doesn't appreciate her EOP fanbase at all.

>>6654053
Maybe he is just new. Anyone paying attention has noticed Towa's increase in japanese fans. Anyway, it was never a matter of her losing jp fans , she just gained them at a much slower rate because of her self isolation inside hololive last year. Before her yab she was by far the least popular holo because of her voice, lack of streaming and technical issues.

>>6654451
Kenzokus are saviorfags so they don't really care if Towa panders to them. They want her to be herself and go back to her deep voice.
t.kenzoku

>>6654451
Her long time western fanbase has enough shame to understand that being pandering to by a Japanese holo reeks of desperation and prefer her not to do it.

>>6654451
As soon as she gains most of her JP fans back she will pull an Ayame in say "No English in chat" and the whole "Go Home" shit, I can feel it.
Its only natural.

>>6654451
Why would anyone want their oshi to pander to EOPs

>>6653692
I understand everything you said and it’s a great piece of knowledge. But please, do your English reps
t. ESL

>>6654174
>It has to be some manager bullshit, right?
See >>6654216

Just a reminder that Towa's case has little to do with that voice leak and idolfag but more due to her leak member only stream where she showed support to Sio, her vtuber friends and former .LIVE, who was in a big yab at that time.

>>6653866
It wasn't overnight it was slowly over the course of 2019

>>6654716
Gen 6 will be filled with former "Niji yabs", so how will that work out?

>>6654686
Am a busy salaryman purisu undastando

>>6654075
Fuck off, I've been watching vtubers since Hololive members have 1-2k peak viewers

>>6654800
t.leddit newfag

>>6654716
Are you retarded? That members stream was 10 months after her yab. The Sio thing was literally a nothingburger.

I wonder if the new upcoming EN gens will have any shift in the company dynamic, as long as they don't pull a Sony, I think Cover should be alright though.

>>6654640
Towa speaks english every stream. She can't help herself. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>6654775
>Sio, Lulu, Gibara and Roa in Gen 6
Imagine the chaos that would bring

Why are people trying to rewrite history in regards to Towa's fanbase after the yab anyway? Is it to make people comfortable with the idea of her ultimately telling their western fans to fuck off now that she is becoming popular with the Japanese again?

>>6654716
This is just not true though.

>>6654868
I need it, imagine the rrats, bro
IMAGINE

>>6653765
>collab with males isn't the same as feature their boyfriend
It is nowhere as severe. But what exactly makes one more severe than the other? Even for anti-idol, anti-GFE vtubers? The gender dynamics that make one a career ender and the other a minor inadvisable act, are largely the same. The male gachikois watching vtubers who gladly throw thousands of dollars on the girls, aren't exactly gonna activate their provider instincts, if the character is already estalished as "provided" for by another male (note that I do not say the roommate, because that's a different topic people may disagree about). Same reason why girls say they already have a boyfriend (whether it's true or not) to tell undesirable guys to back off.

See Moona and her famous gachikoi that she had to apologize to. Moona was unaware of these gender dynamics, and she had to learn it the hard way. Even female vtubers who disavow or politely ignore the whole gachikoi idol GFE circus, understand the underlying gender dynamics that feed them. Once you are aware of the extreme career-ending move of featuring their boyfriend on stream, you understand why many girl vtubers avoid anything that could even hint at that. Like how Marine assured viewers that she's staying with her sister instead of a guy. Collabing with males is a very tiny risk in comparison, and if there is enough trust, or that the guy is respectful, it can be fine and good. But even a tiny risk can develop into a bigger story evoking suspicions if handled poorly. Which is why Uto the other day said on stream something like "I'm not collabing with males. I'm not stupid" even though the simps in chat keep reassuring her that it is fine.

>>6655124
Is that why Hana still pretends that her boyfriend is her dad on stream?

>>6655157
Same reason Towa had to backpedal and get caught in a weird position when her explanation does not match up with Cover's. Or Ollie making flimsy excuses that were debunked in a few minutes.

>>6655124
Didn't Niji just hired their own "Gura-killer" who openly talked about her boyfriend all the time even in her vtuber twitter and streams, I wonder how will that work out.

>>6655198
Ollie's recent streams where she was apparently being distracted by her "sister" who was watching tv on the room sitting next to her was so cringy, specially since she is terrible at pretending.

Holocucks have short memories. Apparently it doesn't matter if the girl has collabed with males and even went as far as openly flirting if she pretends to be "pure lesbian idol" after that. Props to Fubuki for not doing that shit at least.

>>6655232
The obvious prediction is that 4chan schizos will make sure no one here is unaware of that fact. Whether the normies elsewhere will hear of it, or believe it, or be able to justify it as a past life unconnected to the character, is quite another matter. It's a risk they are taking.

>>6653985
You sound stupid

>>6655232
Do people really think that the penguin will have some 3M subs or is it just the typical shitposting, I can't tell with idiots here anymore.

>>6655318
I mean, she never hid it, same goes for posting pics of her real face with him on the same twitter, she doesn't seem to want to hide it either considering she probably had the chance to go to Hololive but rather when to Niji instead.

>>6655399
Interesting, if she DOES feature her boyfriend on stream, that will be an opportunity to measure the effect it would have on her popularity or superchat earnings, compared to her genmates (unless they suck so bad that she can pull ahead despite it).

>>6655312
people believe what they want to believe and ignore anything that alters that belief

>>6655349
Kek. Nobody will ever get more than 3mill again other than Kizuna Ai probably. 2mill will be the final threshold for many chuuna except for Gura ofc.

>>6655232
Penguin isn't Shachi, that is a no name girl

>>6655600
Nice try, it has already been confirmed several times already, same with the Vsinger and the Lovecock chuba.

>>6655644
Shachi is on a fucking boat how is she supposed to be debuting?

holokeks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FTbsWYNPU

I just want Oozora family back...

>>6655644
Not really, that girl seems like know a lot about nijisanji and tobe a long time fan while Shachi never post anything about nijisanji, also that girl Japanese is very good, atmost at fluent level, feel like she's a japanese or oversea japanese while Shachi is at weeb white girl level

>>6655679

Let's be honest, after the Lulu stalking incidents, vtubers now have to lie about their real life locations if they want to survive. In fact, they would be morally absolved for such lies. While we are uncertain whether Shachi is telling the truth, can you really blame her if she lies? It is also possible that it's just a huge rrat, so we will wait for the debut to compare the voices more closely.

>>6655728
holo's pussies belong to nijichads
i kneel...

>>6654868
CHAAAAAAOOOOSSSS IT WILL HE TRUE WAR, HOLO AND NIJI WILL ACKNOWLEDGE EACH OTHERS AS ENEMIES, COMPETITION WILL BE EVEN MORE INTENSE, FRIENDSHIPS THROWN OUT, WAR WAR WAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!!!!

>>6655755
shame Subaru decided to go full GFE and is now courting gachikoi

>>6653700
Fubuki with anyone would be shit, male or female.

>>6653558

Since that's a fact that does not benefit women, I hereby declare it soggy knees!

>>6655762
I haven't been following much of those threads lately because of the shitposting and trolling, but is she really the so called Gura-killer?

>>6656012
>is she really the so called Gura-killer?
If you mean Petra was hired as a counterpart of Gura, probably yes.
If you mean Petra will beat Gura, probably not.
If you mean Petra is Sachi, we will see on debut.

>>6656093
Typo, I mean Shachi.

>>6652744
Well, holo will still try to do collabs holo JP + niji JP, because they want to leech on niji JP's greater popularity. On the other side, I'm on 99.9% sure that we will never see Holo EN (or even Holo JP) collab with Niji EN, because, you know, Hololive, unlike Nijisanji, is too greedy for their popularity and won't share with second biggest agency. The only way for these collabs to happen is if somehow Niji EN wil grow bigger or at least comparable to Holo En.

>>6652744
I'll ignore the male thing because it got answered a million times already and should be obvious.

Main reasons they don't interact with other Vtubers as often anymore is simply because Hololive has grown and gotten more members over time.
Back in late 2018/early 2019 Hololive consisted of only about 12 Holos so there wasn't a lot of things they could do at the time. Now they have over 30 in JP alone and a dozen foreigners.
They don't have to go and find outsiders to interact with anymore when a lot of the girls nowadays don't even collab with all the other Hololive members.
The ones that still interact with other Vtubers these days mostly do it because they're good friends and like doing it like Suisei and Toko. Not because they have to do it or because they want to build connections in the Vtuber world like they used to.

>>6656146
>second biggest agency
I would argue that on the west the they are actually third after Vshojo, and yet they have collabed with them, so the issue is probably on NijiEN's side, bro.
I think their manager just doesn't want to have them collab yet, as to not appear as leeches perhaps.

>>6656187
How do you explain Miko larping as a lesbian despite doing shit like this in the past then: >>6655312
Fubuki still collabs with men despite being just as popular as her.

>>6656093
Nobody in the niji threads want her to be gura 2.0 in the fear it might bring the worse people if it does, god forbid if she memes her way to the top.

>>6656187
It makes sense, but then you have HololiveEN, which is wildly popular but only five members, meaning that they need to collabs with outside chubas who also speak the language, and yet it is just now happening, so maybe thats not the case after all.

>>6656146
I'm pretty sure Enma will set up a collab with nijiEN if nijiENmale somehow gets popular to the level of ninja or xqc

>>6656146
>Well, holo will still try to do collabs holo JP + niji JP, because they want to leech on niji JP's greater popularity
LMAO. Holy fuck, how delusional can one nijicuck be to think this is true

>>6656286
So never

>>6654716
What are you even talking about?
You could say that it was less about the voice and more about her lying about it afterward (although the reason she felt the need to lie is obviously idol culture related), but that's just
What?

>>6656368
yes, holo only want to leech off other popular person

>>6656146
>Well, holo will still try to do collabs holo JP + niji JP, because they want to leech on niji JP's greater popularity.
>Holo EN (or even Holo JP) collab with Niji EN, because, you know, Hololive, unlike Nijisanji, is too greedy for their popularity and won't share with second biggest agency.
begging hololive to collab with their dead branch lmao. at least, holos arent snob fuck like nijisanji and actually boost their international branch e.g peko moona or summer festival. link me top dog like kuzuha or mito collabing ID, KR, or EN

>>6656093
One of a few adequate posts around here.
No need to argue if it's her or not if we'll know about it in less then 24 hours.

Also about Petra beating Gura - if she really is Shachi, then there is actually a slight chance to beat Gura, but it won't happen just because she's Shachi. In order to do this, she'll have to put in a tremendous amount of work and improve herself greatly, plus additional massive support from Nijisanji is a must have.

My prediction on odds of her beating Gura (in case if she really is Shachi) is about 15% - unlikely, but at least he'll greatly boost Niji EN and possibly there will be a future prospect who'll use this momentum to actually beat Gura.

>>6656423
Whats the situation with Kuzuha and Mito over at the Niji anyway? From what I have read they are basically unapproachable by anyone else, as if there is indeed some bullshit second class chuba situation, which seem something retarded to allow in a company like that.
I mean, imagine if Pekora, Gura, FBK, Calli, or Korone refused to even acknowledge other holos because they have lower numbers or subs, sounds super toxic.
Please do correct me if I'm just totally wrong and the rrats are bullshit.

>>6656221
I was talking about total popularity (West + Japan), not just west. That's because total popularity means total profit.

>>6656513
>plus additional massive support from Nijisanji is a must have.
So never then

>>6656423
I never said that someone is begging.
But if you think that way, then I can also tell that Hololive JP is beggin NIji JP for collabs

>>6656549
Kuzuha is mentally slow and doesn't even know the names of 20 Nijisanji JP chuubas. Mito is busy with things off stream al the time.
However, Kuzuha is openly friends (enough) with Shibuya Hajime the anti magnet who gets double digit viewers, so it's not true that he doesn't collab with literal whos, at least for the JP side.
Kanae, the 2nd most popular male, talks to other branches off stream and on stream. He recently had an off stream bday party and EN attended it, not to mention the international Amogus collabs.

>>6656549
>sounds super toxic
It IS toxic. This is the main reason why NijiJP is getting mogged by Hololive. There's no unity, everyone outside their own small circle is enemy.

>>6656423
It wasn't a collab, but didn't Kuzuha send his viewers over to one of the KR girls after his stream today? It was either him or his collab partner at least.
And Kanae's pretty big and he's talked a good amount with 2 of the ENs after they mentioned him on stream.
Not to mention all the twitter interactions, Sukoya in the among us collab, HSKW and Ryushen writing their songs...
I know you don't actually watch their streams, but at least bait better.
>>6656549
Kuzuha barely interacts with anybody. He probably knows like 10 names max of people in Nijisanji, but that has nothing to do with how big they are. He's just a fucking autist.
I don't watch enough Mito to talk with authority, but it's more likely she just collabs with people she knows well most of the time rather than anything to do with popularity.

>>6656337
If you are not able to elaborate your disagreement points , then only one delusional here is you.

>>6656549
Kuzuha
https://youtu.be/4p6BJObv7UA

Mito is just really busy these days with major debut but even then she participates in
https://youtu.be/YqIkbg3vdMg
https://youtu.be/I0fMNxXV2Zg

>>6655791
desu it would be more cucked to NOT let Chaichai fuck ya bish

>>6656513
Petra and Gura will be in opposition just like Nijisanji and Hololive in opposition. Petra seems like getting more popular with the Japanese crowd right now with ton of fan art from them and ton of interaction on twitter, if anything the Japanese nijisanji audience will flock to her and her popularity will cap at the market cap of japanese nijisanji fan, she will not reach 1mil subs in the near future

>>6656675
No, he didn't. That was Genburten, his chat was full of Kuzuha fans the entire time and they asked him to raid Hada.

>>6656670
It's all true. Please see this video for proof of the rampant bullying culture within Nijisanji. It's disgusting.
https://streamable.com/dkwjgr

>>6656684
Hololive has more fans, more subs, more viewers, more presence in business world. What more do you need?

>>6653692
>Matsuri...choose(sic) the casual streamer route.
But Matsuri's privated her Yashiro collabs.

>>6656694
Anybody who doesn't think that they will be completely forgotten, at least for the western and international maker, as soon as HoloEN Gen 2 debuts later this month is utterly delusional.

>>6656549
People with shitty views still get collabs and even appear on shows so I never understood this rrat unless... it's just people spreading lies about a company they don't watch.

>>6656576
Oh, you are one of those guys, who says that Nijisanji doesn't support their livers unlike Hololive?
Ok, fine, give me at least 3 examples of Hololive supporting their talents more then Nijisanji. I am pretty sure that you'll fail at doing so or will provide some weak ass points.

>>6656549
Kuzuha appeared in the 3D debut of a literally who niji today and saved it from being a low view disaster.

>>6656824

> HoloEN Gen 2 debuts later this month
I will give it at least one more month. They are waiting until Irys stabilize and her hype dies down. No need to squeeze the golden goose now.

>>6654269
>a large portion of the chat didn't know what she was talking about
the day will come when the majority of viewers will have no idea who kaichou is

>>6656840
No, you misunderstand, Cover is not any better.
The fact that Gura become so popular has nothing to do with Cover's lack of support, I mean, its almost a year and they have still not fixed her shitty rigging.

>>6652744
The issue with Hololive is they actively treat the guys like black sheep. You don't have to focus on them, but there is a clear stigma, created by the company. At this point, you might as well just remove the Holostars because they can't thrive with the current "pure idols, girls only" idea at the company.

>>6656873
>literal who
That's his baby sister you faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q4-fGdPGk

>>6656840
1. Let the panda girl (panda? chink????) bully luna to DEATH in her past life
2. let pako raito rape half of their female idols- wait no, "livers" before firing him
3. just LET webm related happen

>>6656889
They can't do it next moth or the one after, tons of shit happening with anniversaries, birthdays, concerts, and other shit.

>>6656810
Are you stupid or just new?
Those streams were before the permissions Holocaust of course they're privated.
Matsuri collabs and talks with random guys in APEX all the time these days and is the biggest Holostar shill after Fubuki so clearly she doesn't have a problem with males.

>>6656889
They're waiting for someone else to graduate so they can debut Gen 2 a week later lol

>>6656917
Holostars might not be able to become more popular than Hololive but them mogging the Nijimales is completely possible.

>>6656980
Being more popular than the bigger Nijimales would require them to be more popular than like half of the Hololive girls though.

>>6656980
So getting more than 500 viewers is the bar that Nijimales have to beat? Phew, that's gonna be tough.

>>6656980
Kanae made 90k for a birthday and he just showed an overlay, males and females can coexist in the same company.

>>6656800
Did you read my post? Because I was talking about JP and West audience separately. Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo JP. In fact, Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo West. The only way Holo beats Niji is Holo JP + Holo West and that's because of Niji's weak ass West popularity (for now at least).

And a couple of words about presence in business world. It's obvious that you are talking off your ass. Holo's business world and circle of contacts is pathetic, compared to Niji. Just take their investors as an example. Cover is getting invested only from a companies, who specialize on investing in a start ups, which really shows that business world sees Holo only as a tiny ass startup. On the other side, huge companies like Sony Music are investing in Nijisani

>>6657113
Its too late for Niji on the west, bro
Their EN expansion is pathetic.

I won't watch guys and I won't watch collabs with guys. If a streamer is collabing with guys too much I'd just drop her entirely.
Vtubers are entertainment pure and simple and part of the appeal comes from all of them being cute girls.
Cover understands that having a girls only environment provides a different experience and they stick to it.
I respect them for that.
If any of the girls doesn't like it the door is right there.

>>6657195
based

>>6656948
Is this post a serious one or just a sarcasm?
Because:
1. You are sure you are adequate enough to speak about this situation if you even don't know their names?
2. If you count speaking of raping as a rape, then I can congratulate you, because all holo girls are being raped hundreds times a day.
3. Ok, I see, this post is really just a sarcasm, because it would be so stupid of you to really believe that this is real.

>>6657281
ESLchama...
I respect your enthusiasm but yes, it was a joke.

>>6657113
>And a couple of words about presence in business world. It's obvious that you are talking off your ass. Holo's business world and circle of contacts is pathetic, compared to Niji. Just take their investors as an example. Cover is getting invested only from a companies, who specialize on investing in a start ups, which really shows that business world sees Holo only as a tiny ass startup. On the other side, huge companies like Sony Music are investing in Nijisani
Is it really a measurement or just biztards being disconnected from the reality?

>>6653934
>>6653738
The nature of the Apex Vtuber tourneys all but demand female/male interactions, girls are worth "less" points on a team, so pro players tend to look for relatively skilled girls to fill out a team. This works out both for them and the viewers. Towa isn't as good as Aqua so soloing is out of the question, but we all saw how Aqua's Apex career ended so Towa is probably better off anyways.

>>6654174
Language barrier? Mori collabs with Rikka fine, Kiara has floated having Roberu on HoloTalk. Ame would probably play with Astel if they could fucking speak to each other. One of the Holostars is really good at DbD, but no way is Gura initiating that conversation. None of the Holostars has anything in common with Ina, maybe if one of them was a really good artist or a sibling. The IDs in general have a real lax manager while EN clearly has the opposite.

>>6657194
Maybe it is pathetic, I don't really know, too early to see. In addition they don't have a youtube algorithm and anitubers on their side.

All I see is a 35% increase in their debute subscription rate in only 2 months. That's more than hololive's increase - comparing with Ollies rate and IRyS's rate increase.

>>6657420
That's an analysis of a data provided by Google Trens.

>>6656248
Miko's a fucking retard. Wasn't she the one that started the whole "no males" thing?

>>6657462
>percentage cope
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAOO THAT'S NIJICOPE FOR YA

>>6657451
Temma is the one who's a DBD pro AND he's been learning English for over 50 days, and can carry conversations with his chat. Except he doesn't initiate collabs either.

>>6656917
This, but seriously. Hololive is a mix of "girl group idols", "ethot gamer girls", and "cute girls doing cute cute things" anime. Either way, having guys in there is just weird. get rid of the dudes.

>>6657451
>Towa isn't as good as Aqua so soloing is out of the question
Mechanically, on Wraith and Horizon, yes.
For pretty everything else that matters, not really.

>>6657532
Math is too hard for you?
Ok, I am so kind, I'll teach you how to do this magic.
You take difference (increment)
then take earlier number
then multiply increment with 100 and divide by earlier number. - easy peasy, now you are a mathematical wizard and won't write such stupid replies in the future.

>>6657630
unlike hololive, holostars is YAGOO personal project, it'll stay until you throw him out

>>6657462
Obviously hidden gems will gain more and more over time as word of mouth increases while already overhyped girls will lose steam as many people check them and don't stick around.

>>6657962
Yep, same happened with Kizuna, same will happen with everyone.

My bet that Niji's hidden gem will not be Petra (regardless if she's Shachi or not), but future male EN liver.

>>6658039
>My bet that Niji's hidden gem will not be Petra (regardless if she's Shachi or not), but future male EN liver.
Well males are always Niji's top assets regardless of branches, only a blunder will make EN any different

>>6658039
care to explain why? Is it the novelty?

>>6658073
I think they'll make the blunder of recruiting an indie envtuber male instead of pushing to find a middling but talented normal male streamer. Can't really blame them if they make that mistake since they don't know enough about the streamer landscape in EN but it'd be a pretty big one.

>>6657462

The problem is that they do not offer anything that is immediately superior to the hololive experience, so much so that people would feel the need to jump ships and learn a completely new roster with new history. NijiEN doesn't have a fantastic artist like Ina, a unique singer like Gura, or a cool western rapper like Calli. It also lacks a familiar setting that hololive fans enjoy: they can probably already tell you about more than half of the holo cast, which they regularly see in the animated holografs.

The things that NijiEN offer are extremely subtle, like Pomu's power levels, or their chemistry on and off screen, if you have the time to sit through hours of videos to find. Has Pomu even played Touhou yet?

If Petra brings something extremely unique to the table, this may change. But for now they are stuck playing catch-up.

>>6658039
I don't think any of their EN guys will have any success but we'll see.
They might just see failure after failure and end up giving up on them.
Perhaps the male minority will struggle to fit in, numbers for collabs will go down when they are involved and other members will distance themselves from them.
The vtuber EN market for males is not good, its still a huge debuff.

>>6658073
>Well males are always Niji's top assets regardless of branches
?
I don't know about VR, but I don't think this is true in KR and it definitely isn't true in ID

>>6658167
VR's top streamers are basically Chinese Chronoir

>>6657906
I'm going to work with A-chan and their investors to start a coup and throw out Yagoo

>>6657451
>maybe if one of them was a really good artist
Are you okay with her collabing with Oga?

>>6658156
NijiEN have an amazing chemistry together and overall they feel more comfy and casual than HoloEN when they interact.
I love the mood when Ame and Gura are together and all combinations of NijiEN give me the same vibe.
The biggest NijiEN drawback compared to HoloEN comes from their international support network.
Holo has a smaller roster that is way more recognizable and likable.
Everyone knows them, everyone likes them. It's always fun if EN mentions them or interacts with them.
For Niji it's the complete opposite, there's a million of them and most people don't know or care about them so them being mentioned will just raise indifference or confusion from the audience and no collab will be of any hype, it will be a literally who to the EN audience.
It's kind of a joke but people have asked NijiEN girls why they talk so much about Nijisanji, there's people in their audience who aren't even aware they're part of that company.

>>6658156
Elira is a better singer than Gura and Fish knows how to draw

>>6653866
>I think its even weirder that an entire branch outright refuses to do that shit
ID seems to have fewer rules in general.

>>6658078
Sure, I'll explain.
That's basically demand + novelty.
By demand I mean that both Niji JP male talents and Holostars are quite popular among western Niji/Holo fans. I doubt that western fans only enjoy them because they are solely japanese.
By novelty I mean being the first among big companies to debut male EN talents. Of course it has some risks, but I have a feeling that they would be successful.

>>6658167
Anon.. The males are the big shit in ID, they rake in the militant fans and cash, also despite lacking in subs and views, KR males are doing better in SCs, for example Kiru might be the weakest in everything else in KR but his SC numbers are not in the bottom of KR

>>6657451
>but we all saw how Aqua's Apex career ended
What happened here?

>>6658304
she technically doesn't join tournaments as she's strictly a solo player, but having her streaming apex every day in a week to get to master has totally burnt her out

>>6658156
"fantastic artist like Ina" - yes, she is good artist, better then current 3 Niji EN talents. But don't you think that being a good artist is a MUCH more subtle quality for a liver/vtuber/entertainer/idol then Pomu's power levels or NijiEn's chemistry?

"unique singer like Gura" - ok, I find a famous Holofan pattern here. When hololive fans say "talent", "quality", "unique", "amazing", they are talking about not actual talent, but about subscriber/view count. Otherwise, what in the world you find unique in Gura's singing?

"cool western rapper like Calli" - probably the only one unique quality of Holo En, compared to Niji En. Of course, I would not call Calis rap skills great - I heard a greater rap from my classmates back in my highschool years. But still, that's a unique trait.

So, in conclusion, I think that you are a bit wrong about their unique traits.

>>6658262
I'm looking forwards to it too just to see if they'll pick the safe route and have former indies, or experiment with literal whos. Either way I feel like they'll have plain/ikemen designs, it's done well for their popular males so why rock the boat.

>>6658520
>Otherwise, what in the world you find unique in Gura's singing?
Feel free to join the other thread at >>6612411 . Amondst the trolling people have been talking about it for a day.
And no, Gura's talent isn't her sub count. She's not the best vsinger either. I don't care to repeat the whole back-and-forth in that thread, but you should find some decent arguments (and counterpoints) buried there.

>>6658623
I hope they'll have both former indies and literal who's, who'll get their interest during audition

>>6658653
Of course it's not her subcount. If it is, Kizuna Ai would be #2 vtuber when she's obviously not.

>>6658262
>I doubt that western fans only enjoy them because they are solely japanese.
The JP thing is a big reason lots of vtubers are popular and EOPs think they're less cringe. It's the whole "sub vs dub" thing. A lot of stuff is just more cringe in english. If it's cringe in JP I don't know because I'm an EOP so shit isn't nearly as bad.

>>6658653
To be honest if go by singing ability, Gura is above average for EN vtuber, but that's it, not something outstanding

>>6658520
Not him, but Ina is an indistry pro. That's not a subtle quality and in fact is a hard barrier to climb over. If you're a VTuber whose schtick is being an illustrator, you will be compared to Ina if you're not an industry pro.

>>6658785
By my estimation, she is outstanding, just not the best. Like try naming 20 vtubers better than her, and remember how many vtubers there are around. Even as a /vsinger/ regular, I won't find that many. Elira's competition is mainly with Irys who shares the same characteristics, not Gura.

>>6655312
She says friend chocolate anon... plus she gave these chocolate pictures to a bunch of people

>>6658653
Dived in the thread, what a journey! Looked through all Guras mentions, and most of them either describe her singing as "with soul" or written by some kind of amateurs.
About former - I'm an agnostic, so no, I don't believe in souls.
About later - if I don't see any adequate descriptions, I only have to trust my own ears. And when judging someone singing ability, I usually rate level of talent in these categories:
1. Uniqueness (if voice/singing style is different from others) - Gura misses this category - she has pretty generic anime-cutesy singing voice.
2. Control - Gura barely counts - she has some voice control, but far from levels of many livers.
3. Strength - Gura misses this category. Didn't find any performances with enough strength co compete even with above-average vtubers.
4. Range - Gura again misses, her range is not impressive at all.

>>6656948
WTF HOW DID HE GET AWAY WITH THIS?????

>>6659273
He had more subs than her at the time, when you're famous you can get away with anything.

>>6652744
>It seems that to a far lesser degree there is also a "no Niji" or other indies and agencies I guess at least when compared to how much they collabed before and at least when at comes to newer Gens.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what his happening on this front. Hololive grew in size significantly (almost double) in the span of a year (G4, G5, ID1, ID2, EN). Given their popularity and the nature of their organization (idol group) Hololive talent will be heavily scrutinized over what they do or don't do (collabs, mentions, interactions, etc) so they have to be careful about how they go about doing business to keep people from complaining, especially from the ones that line their pockets.rg2js

>>6659409
>rg2js
wtf, my captcha got typed in the text as well?

>>6658876
? if anything you only would get compared to ina if you were also an industry pro
why would you compare a hobbyist with a pro? do people say Nene is a shit artist because she is not as good as Ina?

>>6657030
your reading comprehension reps, faggot

>>6658876
I disagree that it's not a subtle quality for a VTuber.
Do you really believe that people would be interested in her if she was an indie? I hardly believe so. She got people's attention, because she is from Hololive + good artist.
If her drawing streams were watched like Holo En's top streams, then I'd instantly say "Yes, drawing is a great trait for VTubers", but that is not happening - these streams pretty average on HoleEn standards.

>>6659473
He's talking about Holostars ever mogging Nijimales.

>>6658951
I am very curious, can you explain the methodology that you use to compare vtuber singing ability?
And show it on an example - compare Gura with some random niji with a decent singing ability, like Asahina Akane (I'd rate Akane top 30 niji if not counting international branches and top 60 if counting).

>>6654800
fucking reddit newfag keep fucking pretending,the moment you claim Maimoto is the biggest deal proved you don't know shit

:fire: Maimoto :fire:

>>6659703
>:fire: Maimoto :fire:
Get back to nijicord you fucktard

>>6653765
She was part of a TTRPG stream on some male indie channel just last week.

>>6656810
I've seen the rrat that they were privated manually by Matsuri or Cover, but there was never any proof. So I'm going to assume it's fake

>>6653985
Maimoto was literally thinking of quitting vtubing until Subaru and Ui-mama reinvigorated his love for the hobby. Even holofags know that much.

>>6653738
Towa has also said she never do a one on one male collab and that her only collabs with guys will be during events

>>6658237
>It's kind of a joke but people have asked NijiEN girls why they talk so much about Nijisanji, there's people in their audience who aren't even aware they're part of that company.
I regret so much making that fucking joke in the marshmallows now...

>>6652744
Pretty sure hololive pays for the models and majority of equipment, plus most people don't watch male vtubers (let's be honest, most vtuber fans are horny as fuck) so combine that with demonetization male vtubers aren't profitable.

>>6654269
I remember getting into Towa around April 2020, didn't she have around 30K - 40K subscribers at the time?

>>6654716
>Towa's incident: early March
>Sio's yab: Mid August
Stop repeating rrats you saw on other threads, tourist

>>6659772
It's a Nijisanji joke not a Discord thing

>>6655755
Oozara family was always just Subaru and Ui. They made sure to indicate to their audience that Maimoto was just a random old man living nearby and was unrelated to them

>>6660241
When Maisuba is a thing and gets popular Ui hasnt debut as a vtuber. Oozora family is the extend of Maisuba,get your fact check

>>6659095
>Obviously talented singing phenom with her success proven through numbers, popularity, and acclaim from her peers
>ACKTUALLY She's bad at everything and subpar at best
There are a few people in the world who think Beyonce and Adele are bad singers too so don't worry anon, it's okay to have shitty ears and be wrong about everything.

>>6660241
Ui is a leecher like every holo-adjective

>>6660365
Adele is fat and busted

>Uiniggers trying to change history

>>6660312
These two facts are unrelated to each other.
Maisuba happened because Subaru wanted to do stupid things when she was starting out and decided to do them with a guy that debuted close to her. She collabed with him for all of 2019 but eventually regretted it when she realized that's not where the money is. As soon as .Live idol division took a hard hit, their one on one collabs were severely reduced and Oozara family started to replace them instead, but even that seems to be ending
It doesn't mean that Ui was just inserted into the duo though. She's Subaru's artist so she's connected to her by default, and have made some appearances since Subaru's debut, though it's correct that she only became a vtuber mid May. She's been friend with Maimoto since January 2019 too, before the Oozara Family collabs became a thing
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34634098

>>6658520
An artist is not a subtle quality at all, you can plop down their portfolio in front of someone and that someone will immediately be able to see and understand the quality of the work, vs having to watch hours and hours to pick up on power levels or chemistry.

>>6657508
Yes. She was the only one there that took that shit seriously. Her and Pekora, ironically enough.
They both went from being perfectly fine with it to starting to take the whole idol concert thing a little too seriously and went full-retard in to virtual girlfriend territory instead of actual idols who regularly interact with the opposite sex in media. (literally their jobs)
It pisses me off. I still watch them in hopes one day they will grow up, but I doubt it now given the precarious situation they are in at present.
Purity faggotry is NOT idol faggotry. It NEVER WILL BE. Fucking Love Live tier shitters need the rope.

Fundamentally, Hololive is not an idol company or even focused on GFE. They're a brand for DD's who want to fulfill the harem fantasy with a large cast of girls that -all- belong to them and live in this closed garden where no one else can touch them.

Nijis have plenty of gachikois but no one feels threatened over who their oshi interacts with. A true gachikoi supports their oshi in whatever way makes them happy and also trusts their oshi to not sleep around with every male in sight because they respect her individuality.

Haremfags don't have this level of faith in the object of their affection, because they know they themselves have no loyalty, how can they expect it of anyone else? This leads them down a path of paranoia and possessiveness where they want to control and own every female they interact with and become irrationally angry and jealous any time they see a man, even if he's just in the background.

Cover recognizes this as their strength as a company, people who sub to one Holo are likely to sub to all of them and support the entire company, so they pander to those haremfags to inflate their sub and view count and ensure even the lowest tier Holos make a decent living from the leftovers of people like Pekora when she's not streaming.

>>6654174
>More importantly why is the English branch doing the Japanese idol shit instead of something like the ID branch who collabs with whoever the fuck they want?
Money, of course
And not doing collabs with males as to not be shunned by the jp branch
Remember how every single jp holo wanted a piece of Ollie when she started gaining popularity and collabed with her? Even Rushia appearing in her stream without a collab because she was interested, now she mostly gets to only collab with low tier jp holos after collabing with the stars and being homobeggar #1

>>6661618
That's a pretty good rundown. give this anon an upvote

>>6657195
Based.

>>6661618
>go back

>>6657113
Anon.... This isn't 2019. Did you just wake up from a coma?

>>6652744
The reason why they're not collabing with indies is simple: less incentive to collab with people less known than you aside, Holo has also gotten larger enough for a self-sustaining network where they exclusively collab with each other. Many Nijis do this too.
As for the no-males (informal) rule, I think the reason aside from idolshit and GFE (neither of which fully explain "no males"): SC culture. I think Holo is more dependent on superchat income than Niji and most other agencies. Holo SC culture is something else and I only saw it in small-scale version among groomed indies. This makes them more dependent on the kind of insane schizos who would drop $500 in every single of their oshi's stream. You think normal people would do that? There's a reason why the least "anti-male" Holos also underperform in SC income while top position is held by schizo groomer Rushia.
I think it explains a lot that the fandom known for its schizos in Niji is Kuzuha's, another top SC earner. But Kuzuha is a male so he could told his schizos to fuck off for the most part and doesn't give a shit when he collabed with females. Holo girls are a lot more psychologically dependent to their fans and too much a doormat to do anything about it.

>>6661569
Finally, someone in the thread that gets it. The no males shit was a dumb extreme move borne out a fundamental misunderstanding of what idols actually are.

I can understand the parasocial shit will creep in one way or another since it's inevitable to get attached to what you invest yourself emotionally (and the constant "positive" reinforcement doesn't help), but being an anime e-girl was not the correct path to take even if you wanted gachikoi.

I wonder if they can even turn this back if at all...

>>6652744
They used everyone as stepping stones for fame and now discarded them all

>>6657508
>>6661569
I honestly think when Miko said she doesn't interact with males "because she's an idol", she was being very disrespectful to Sora. Sora built up Hololive from nothing, all while playing a respectful idol role, and she wasn't scared to make connections with males. Later Miko shits on Sora, implying that she doesn't fit the image of a perfect idol. I know Miko was just making excuses but she should have used a different excuse that didn't throw shade on Sora.

>>6656549
Mito and Kuzuha have both collabed with with smaller nijis this rumor is completely untrue and spread by people who don't watch Nijisanji.

>>6671850
You want her to tell her fans that she wants their money without any filter ?

>>6661618
>Nijis have plenty of gachikois but no one feels threatened over who their oshi interacts with. A true gachikoi supports their oshi in whatever way makes them happy and also trusts their oshi to not sleep around with every male in sight because they respect her individuality.
Said the fan of the agency notorious for its internal fanbase infighting

>>6671850
I was actually surprised when she said that. Isn't Miko Sora's fan? She should have known about this, but I guess they all have different views on what an idol is

>>6652744
I’m seeing a lot of threads on this lately. Is Cover planning something?

>>6672143
As opposed to throwing her senpai under the bus with her insincere rethoric... being honest about it would have been much more based.

>>6659880
Maimoto had barely debuted when he collabed with Subaru for the first time. Subaru and Ui didn't reinvigorate anything.
He considered quitting because he wasn't sure what kind of content to create and was worried that his streams would get stale after a while. Subaru made him realize all the potential that vtubing could have.

>>6653634
what yab?

*Fire* Maimoto *Fire*

>>6660365
You are so funny and pathetic.
Did you just tried to put Gura on the same line with Beyonce and Adele? You tried to put a boring, talentless vtuber, who just blew up because of her agency (which in turn also blew up just because of a youtube algorithm) with two super popular singers who made themselves solely with their singing talent?
Are all hololive fans that delusional?
That proves my point - when hololive fan is talking about talent, quality, skill and ability of hololive talents, they are just talking about their subscriber count, not an actual trait.

>>6671850
It's funny that Miko was a ASMR slut from DLsite

>>6671850
Did she actually say that?

>>6654716
That's what, the second yabee? How many does this woman have? All I know is the very first one when a man spoke on her mic.

Guys it doesn't matter if they can or will interact with males.
They won't interact with you.
Please stop being cringe and taking this stupid high horse attitude of "not real idols they should interact with men because we want them to!".
Just accept that many of them don't see any point in interacting with men on their streams.
It's not what their brand is built on. It's not what people go to watch them for.
If people wanted hololive interacting with men they would just watch Nijisanji.
You are all fake fans if you want them to betray their own company, you don't deserve Hololive.

>>6678301
Her talking about Sio was not a yabee, it was literally nothing. Also her first yab wasn't a man speaking on her mic it was 2 men having a conversation in voicechat while she was afk. Well that wasn't even the yab , the yab was her saying it was management when jop autists showed that it was clearly the voice of people she had collabed with before in her previous life and not cover staff.

>>6661569
>Miko and Pekora
Yeah, and now they are both among the biggest and most popular vtubers in the world. Something tells me they made a good decison. Stay mad Homo Beggar.

>>6679649
You're not supposed to point this out.

>>6653634
She literally plays Apex with a male pro from CR all the time, her usual squad is Bora and Selly

>>6660011
This is april 2020

>>6658167
Bora is an anomaly in KR since she's practically a honary JP and basically never does anything in Korean anymore.
The next most subbed (active) KRs after her are Suha and Chiho, both of whom have a lot of EOP girls in their fanbase (in fact I've seen Chiho described as one of the few actual BFE chuubas)

>>6680046
Definitely false, I'm sure Aki didn't reach 100K until the later half of 2020

>>6680810
Never mind, I've checked and this is real. Where did the actual fucking time go?

>>6678710
/thread

>>6679649
I don't even watch them. I'm just pointing out a fact. In it for money. Who is the one insulting now?
It sucks, but that's just a fact. I mean, it was obvious with Pekora, she literally said it before joining Hololive, but Miko less so.

>>6684186
Pekora is the lowest class holo. She's borderline criminal. She's knowingly targeting children who have no concept of the value of money but can take their parent's credit card. Pekora is amoral as fuck and she needs to graduate.

>>6679649
>OH NONO NO NO

>>6687556
I'm more jealous than angry.

>>6661569
Miko is a fucking leeching hypocrite

>>6653700
everyone knows the majin is risu's bitch

>>6654640
Holy fuck global is stupid

>>6672519
Miko is a fake fan

>>6656146
you post like this since forever, you should stay in /jp/