/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

For context Phase Gen 1 included two Japanese monolingual talents and one bilingual Japanese talent. They all hover around 100-300ccv and their chats have only a handful of regular Japanese chatters. One of the monolinguals in particular has an active English chat that she struggles to interact with. They have done some con events in Japan but it remains to be seen how much they’ll commit to advertisement or how effective it will be.

>>66232414
Good, I want to hear more of Nasa's voice.

>>66232414
I’m not gonna watch your garbage no matter how much you beg

Finally, now unicorns can leave Hololive for good and bring their shittiness to these girls (they don't deserve it anyways)

Can they even thrive there? It's a very and I mean VERY saturated market, even Vshojo gave up. Remember their investment in marketing there via multiple ads in train stations etc? Even VSPO is lucky because they just got bought out by Brave. (Or is it Brave that's lucky?)

>>66233184
Hey homobeggar, still salty after all these Ls you are taking? shouldn't you be used to it?

>>66233228
>even vshojo gave up

vshojo had 1 jp talent and she ragequit because she couldnt talk to anybody in the company

phase is launching with 5 and a bunch of weebs in gen 1/2/3 that are fluent

Do not sleep on phase

>>66233228
>even Vshojo gave up.
no, VShojoJP is there for legal reasons, Kson and Henya require some additional legal bullshit.
>>66233375
>because she couldnt talk to anybody in the company
if she didn't ignore Henya on purpose, that is.

>>66233228
>even Vshojo gave up
Vshojo never tried. They left Nazuna on her own for 1 and a half years.
I don't even know what they were thinking. They hired Nazuna, made a bunch of ads in Japan, and then just hoped that some Holo or big Niji would just leave their company for Vshojo?

>>66233375
Again, what i am emphasizing is the resources and clout. The two talents Vshojo had were former Holos bro, also, you think Phase has more clout than any other existing company there?? They'd just be a drop in the bucket to the thousands of small corpo vtubers there

>>66233390
No kill it before it breaks containment!
So far it has only infested Pcg and its children threads, we can't let it out of its natural habitat.
It will destroy us all!

>>66232414
BUY AN AD
BUY AN AD
BUY AN AD

>>66233551
nazuna sucked and without real corpo structure the dragon sucked too and is now a fleshtuber. pikimee doesnt do anything and has stagnated

phase is now a real company and getting 5 perm JP talents puts them in competition overseas from EN land.

>>66233228
The marketing doesn't feel tailored to JPs at all

>>66232414
Dead on arrival

>>66233543
>if she didn't ignore Henya on purpose, that is.
Kek, now it's Nazuna's fault? Only Nazuna and Kson were part of "Vshojo Next", which is now completely defunct.

>>66233711
This teaser is for us. Look at the time in Japan.

>>66233709
i hate phasefags so much it's unreal

>>66233711
Can you give an example on how to market to Japs sensei? Not even being sarcastic, these retarded companies, even nips don't know how, they just get lucky or not

>>66232414
Nigger do you think we are japanese?

>>66233775
vshojo next was not a branch you fucking retard

>>66233228
As a VShojofag, they never tried. But VSJP works for legal and contacts in Japan, the reason of the songs of the concert being mostly made by japanese and korean people in the industry explains this point better. Ironmouse's original Sour Taste is unironcally like a kpop song, because some of the people behind it worked in Kpop and Jpop, with one helping IRyS and TWICE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l24Y_PG7uc

>>66232414
Im ok with phase replacing nijien

>>66233551
>former holos
Kson didn't stream in JP and Nazuna was literally alone. Kson didn't really collab much with her, and Vshojo for some reason refused to debut more JP members.

>>66233738
Yeah I have to think it's this.
They'll (hopefully) be fine by PC standards but absolutely nobodies by JP standards.

This is either going to be looked at as the point Phase takes the next step into the Big 4, or it flops and they wasted all of this money of a dead gen.

>>66233543
>no, VShojoJP is there for legal reasons, Kson and Henya require some additional legal bullshit.
source?

>>66233887
Cool reading comprehension, retard. What else did you misunderstood?

>>66233984
idiot phasethirdie

>>66233997
Fine by Phase standards would be massive by JP standards. However crowded you think the market there is it's probably 10x that.

>>66232860
You forget Tenma. She is multilingual but streams in English

this is exciting because i want JP's to be exposed to pippa and make absolutely disgusting art of her being raped

>>66234076
Then maybe things are worse than I feared and they won't be able to keep a roof over their heads.

>>66234141
the only 2 people in phase that cannot fluently speak japanese are pippa and lia.

Is Sakana retarded? The resources could've been pooled for another invaders, I hope these bitches are bilingual because they better be ready to rebrand into EN in the future

>>66233997
They will have a lot of viewers with the gen buff, the hope is probably to put more eyes on them thanks to that and carve a fanbase before all the EOPs drop them. It's probably a better chance than just being another indie 1view.

>>66234054
it's not something anyone was "part of"
it was the name of the launch event, which is why they never used that name for anything except their debuts

>>66234066
I'm already used with you Vshitters bootlicking even harder than Nijifags. No, you will not do revisionism taking advantage of Twitch's lack of permanent VODs.

>>66233551
Phase Connect has business and brains something vshitshow doesn't have

>>66234168
I doubt people who are betting everything on this would apply to a foreign corp.

>>66233984
kson streams exclusively in Japanese on youtube.

>>66234292
kson literally streams ~80% of her content in japanese you completely fucking retarded bvtm chimp

Don't fall for the falseflag /vsj+/bro

>>66234141
she’s not Japanese though

>>66234296
Anon, VShojo just poached the MVP of NijiEN and is likely eying a couple more. The idea they don't have business sense is laughable to any neutral observer.

>>66233775
it's always been michael's fault, simp boi.
>>66234025
what source? use your brain. have you ever checked how asinine JP laws are? biggest example: fair use doesn't exist. second biggest example: defamation laws that ignore the truthfulness of a statement. also feel free to ask Kson on either platform while live, she'll answer you. Henya won't, she doesn't talk about legal and political shit

>>66233966
That would have to break 4 view first.

>>66233711
On the contrary, it's tailored to represent the largest event in their cultural history. Why do you think Sakana turned himself into a bomb dropping in a major city?

>>66234235
He wants to support the 3 JP girls already in Phase by giving them more talents to collab and interact with.

Clara is the best girl.

>>66234235
>is the company that is stacked almost entirely with bilingual JP speakers WRONG for starting a JP branch to stream at night?

holy mother of fuck you are dumb

the collabs will be fucking kino

I think it's fine since they already had JP girls, and it's making a pretty big statement that they won't abandon them.
You can consider the Japanese market already saturated, but on the other end it's probably very easy to poach decent indie and even Niji rejects like that Yumenographia girl they got before.
The biggest issue for a small corpo like Phase is probably management.

>>66234542
throwing good money after bad desu

Japan is over saturated with vtubers. Unless they have big plans to promote their or clout with popular vtubers this is a waste of time.

>tfw lia finally leaves because everyone in the country can speak anime except her

gonna be brutal watching her slow descent into perma sad girl

It's really funny how just because Phase are beating the dregs of NijiEN, they suddenly think that their company is one of the big guys.

Vshojo can wait it out forever and NijiEN and HoloEN will inevitably join, not all of them will of course but Phase? Nobody with as much clout will ever glancé towards Phase.

>>66232414
Invading mainland Japan? That's pretty brave, even during the war, nukes were preferable to the expected cost ratios...

>>66233797
They're pretty retarded

i don't think this will be a success in terms of numbers, but i applaud fishman's balls and ambition

>>66234356
>>66234367
>youtube
She does like 2~3 streams per week there, and a lot of those are flesh streams, which puts off anyone that is into vtubers and make it hard for Nazuna to even be a guest in.

>>66234459
Nazuna is guilty of many crimes. But being left alone in Vshojo is entirely Vshojo's fault.

>>66234816
Check this out

>>66232414
Is that meth Lola Bunny in the center?

>>66234896
>But being left alone in Vshojo is entirely Vshojo's fault.
is it? apparently she ghosted the fuck out of henya

>>66234695
Their JP members already pull 3view numbers.

This could be a monumental waste of money and time.
or it could pay off in spades.
we will find out quickly because if they all debut and maintain 4view after 1 month, Phase will have hit it big.

however if they are all 300-500, I don't think it will have been worth it

>>66234995
>300-500
they'll be lucky if they can all be 3views at all

>>66234957
2view.

>>66234957
yes because they get raided. On their own, they are about 90-120 ish.
Their subs are in the toilet compared to their Gen1 counterparts.

>>66234524
Dec 7 might be the worst date to announce something in Japan now that I think about it. Or 6 and 9th August.

>>66234442
If what you're implying is that business is all about poaching, then phase already has vshitshow beat by having 2 waves, totalling 4 poached talents
And really Vshitshow only has brand name and nothing else. Everyone knows it as the retirement home in the front, whore house in the back company. Even the talents themselves. And that's why people watch them, to latch onto a talent the was once though graduated (the old and retired trying again) or for whores (which includes the whole company)

I doubt they will see any sort of success. Will the japanese even support talents with majority english speaking chats? Plus it's a western corp and it feels like the japanese are very wary of things that are "not made here"

>>66234797
>and HoloEN will inevitably join
Based retard

>>66232860
That's kinda cute

>>66235059
Michiru pulls around 150. Nasa too if she streams at 2pm JST which is a retarded time for Jap viewers but can soak up EOPs.

>>66234948
Henya isn't even part of their japanese unit. Vshojo just gave up on Vshojo Next since they didn't manage to poach any more Holos and left Nazuna to just leave on her own.

>>66234957
every time I am in a Phase JP chat, it is 90% english. That is bad. Phase needs those chats to be moving and 90% japanese. that is the true mark of growth for them.

>>66234896
>make it hard for Nazuna to even be a guest in.
Michael cat has been flesh streaming, flashing her face on stream, and posting it on txitter. I dont see why it would be hard for her

>>66235054
3view anon. Maybe it's time for glasses

>>66235098
Nothing you said makes any sense at all, it's a mess of buzzwords and sludge. Acquiring top EN talents clearly demonstrates business sense, I don't care if Phase is "beating" them, I watch both VShojo and Phase talents, you are a falseflagger or maybe just a retarded nigger.

>>66234995
Gen 1 made invested money back in less than a year, including JPs. JPs are all stable low 3view. It's probably less risk than it looks.

Sakana will fix Mike, I believe.

>>66233927
jesus christ it sounds like shit, no hate on mouses singing its just the whole song just sounds like shit

>>66235380
The way things are Fishman only pays the marketing cost and the models. If the JPs have even a single viewer he'll make the money back.

>>66235302
You don't understand Vtubing.

>>66232414

>>66232414
Phase domination phase domination

>>66233228
>Can they even thrive there
Thrive? no
They have 0 chance to compete with billion $ corporations

Have a moderate success? yeah

>It's a very and I mean VERY saturated market
True, but its also fast growing market, looking at cover and anycolor revenue grow 50-80% year over year shows the current offers arent anywhere near to cover the growing demand

The real problem wont be market saturation, it will be the fucking insane size of the competition and the army of paid shills, bots and fanatics they have.
They will grab the typical indie seeking people, but i dont see how they can do big numbers.

>>66233927
>VshojoJP has a reason to exist
>look at this Kpop song
???

>move over
>all 3 of the jps in phase are 2views
uhhhh

>>66235605
3views

>>66235565
It ultimately comes down to if the talents are good and have a plan I suppose

>>66232414
does phase have any presence in japan so far? no way japs watches pippa but what about the others?

>>66233278
Why would I be a homobeggar, I just don't want your pathetic ilk shitting up the girls' chats and now you have a real alternative to Hololive once and for all.

>>66235153
At the very least, Da Michi's chat is pretty JP now. Not sure about Nasa and Iori.

>>66235664
literally who

>>66235664
There's probably like 40 guys in total

>>66234896
>2~3 streams per week
more like 4-5

>a lot of those are flesh streams
like 2 per month

>make it hard for Nazuna to even be a guest in
kson invited nazuna to like 4 different collabs in september of 2022 that nazuna all ditched at the last minute

you are a dumb third worlder who speaks on subjects you know fucking nothing about like all phase fans

>>66235769
>reddit spacing
Care to try that again?

>>66235769
NTA but you format your posts like a faggot. You sure you are not a self-hating brownie?

>>66235664
the only crossover is from pippas collabs from that shota moi moi thing

>>66235664
Pippa has a huge Korean following

>>66234797
Is Vshojo so boring that fans dream of HoloEn girls joining? Isn't that kind of sad

>>66234524
>>66233711
>What are the japanese known for
>I know. Bombs
>Dropping myself on a major city will show japs that we are Da Bomb

>>66235373
Yea you're woman brained, sorry i tried

>>66235893
>>66235907
>>66234896
>2~3 streams per week
more like 4-5
>a lot of those are flesh streams
like 2 per month
>make it hard for Nazuna to even be a guest in
kson invited nazuna to like 4 different collabs in september of 2022 that nazuna all ditched at the last minute
you are a dumb third worlder who speaks on subjects you know fucking nothing about like all phase fans

>>66236072
Nah, I win.

>>66235059
Michiru pulls around 200-300 on her dark souls streams

>>66236119
post an epic kek screencap on bvtm of how hard you mogged me

>>66236005
Yes it is pretty sad. Especially when their is a zero % chance of any en girl leaving Hololive for a literal who agency like Vshojo

>>66236005
it's a mutual gentleman agreement. holofags don't want Kiara, Mori, Kronii and Bae and Vshojofags don't mind them or their shenanigans.

>>66236009
On the anniversary of Pearl Harbour to show the strong links between our cultures!

>>66234423
She's a happa.

>>66236307
what is she exactly

>>66236231
Vshojo is literally bigger than HoloEN nowadays. Ironmouse mogs every EN girl you fucking brown faggot

>>66235143
https://youtu.be/KZQxPdwFG90
Yeah?

>>66236268
it's all so kino

>>66236072
Kson did 141 streams on youtube last year, which is 2.7 average per week.
At least 45 of those were flesh tubing. Which means she did it on average 3.75 per month, or almost 1 every week on average.
You are simply wrong.

>>66233543
>if she didn't ignore Henya on purpose, that is.
by the time Henya Joined Nazuna was already abandoned by vshoujo.

>>66236371
>Twitch numbers
Yea for sure

>>66232414
>grampico
>pico
If she doesn't sing Koi wo Shiyou yo I'll anti her.

>>66235143
Henya is part of the JP but it's not segregated like Niji or holo. It's mostly events, business and sponsor wise where she

>>66236371
>Vshojo is literally bigger than HoloEN nowadays
Are all vshojo fans this delusional?

>>66236365
Canadian

>>66236451
2023 stats are fucked because of the yakuza auditions
look at 2021, 2022 or december 2023 for her normal ratios

>>66236365
Chihuahua

>>66234612
>>is the company that is stacked almost entirely with bilingual JP speakers WRONG for starting a JP branch to stream at night?
Oh please. See the last night collab. Besides Tenma and Iori no one could communicate with JPs higher than on beginner's level.

>>66233551
they just need one breakout(a japanese pippa) and they are set

>>66235396
If Michael wants a manager she may think of phase, other than that she doing well by herself, in other hand she's still a tad batshit insane and having a company and manager to handle her would be good, aslo being mentally ill is a requirement to join phase.

>>66236597
>getting baited by a catalog nigga

>>66236371
>Calling others brown while typing with brown hands
Kek

>>66232414
>they found 5 japanese women who are sad enough to qualify for PC, but not sad enough to have killed themselves yet

how does fishman do it, bros?

>>66236665
You are losing your point here. Nazuna wasn't around in 2021.
Also, there wasn't that many yakuza streams for the 3.75 turn into the 2 you said there was. Kson just does way more flesh streams than you remember.

>>66233228
>even Vshojo
v shitshow had one JP member who was forced to go on twitch and had no one to collab with. henya and kson are both entubers who can speak japanese.

>>66236968
He threatened with nuking Japan a third time if they didn't provide him with 5 of their saddest girls.

>>66232414
some companies just like to lose money i guess, or maybe its laundry of some kind

>>66236968
they tried and failed, that's how they end up in a japanesse mental asylum from where fishman recruited.

>>66237026
It's not like mikeneko collabs with anyone. The last one I remember her collabing with was Onigiri, who she definitely could have collabed with in VSJ.

>>66236764
nobody could communicate at all in a 30 person collab retard

>>66236009
>"I have intense bomb-igniting thoughts"
Oh no, the ripper...

>>66237019
a majority of the 2023 flesh streams are her playing LJ/yakuza with facecam, talking about the auditions or collabing with the girls she met there

>>66232414
I kneel.

>>66234797
They're not trying to poach people with clout, they've built up all their talents on their own, they don't need to like Vshojo does.

>>66236009
Fucking kek

>>66237537
Damn, she's winning at life living the dream.

>>66235664
They don't have much of a JP presence yet, they've been focusing on EN. Since their EN base is solid they're branching out, they have the resources to do it.

>>66234612
collabs are almost always trash and get worse the more people you add
the jp talents already in phase are failures with low subs and ccv

>>66237537
And how exactly is this gonna help Nazuna, again? Or did you already forgot the point of this conversation?

>>66234442
>durrr OUR STYLE OF POACHING IS DIFFERENT AND BETTER BECAUSE WE POACH 2VIEWS OUR CEO WAS GROOMING FOR YEARS :)
Just admit vshojo and PC are the same, there is literally no difference in how they run their companies.

The TNA Wrestling of VTubers.

>>66238038
i don't care about nazuna, you were lying about kson which i do care about

Fishman can overtake Riku as #2 by barely doing anything

>>66234442
>mika
>MVP of NijiEN
more like mvp of sucking k9 cock lmao

>>66236267
As a holofag, we do not claim this monkey and his opinions

>>66237963
but should they spend the resources on it?
imo they should soft redebut their gen1 with the same ad campaign they gave gen3/invaders
they would all increase viewership significantly.

>>66238118
>lying about Kson
I didn't, you just memoryholed the yakuza streams, or for some reason thought that those don't count.
And if you take those out, Kson did even less streams on youtube, which you were wrong about it too.
It seems you don't really care about being right about Kson, just bootlick Vshojo.

I don't know what fishman's thought process is on this. JP is dominated by the big 2 (Holo and Niji) with the leftovers being taken mostly by VSPO and then the crumbs by the rest of the more established corpos (774, Re:act, .Live, etc). Pippa has no pull in the JP scene so they can't use her to spearhead their efforts to penetrate the JP market. So unless they were able to get either one of the OG 4 kings or someone who is at least at mid tier Holo level (Patra), this feels waaaayyyy too soon and not properly thought out.

>>66238278
Phase Connect is literally growing by just not getting involved in retarded drama.

>>66238366
No need to redebut, but an advertising campaign and proper raid following to share the audience would be great

what makes them think they can enter jp market when sony with more resource failed?

>>66234524
>>66236009
my fucking sides

>>66238496
It all just a 'wait and see' at this point. This is the real test of Fishman's business skills and his luck.

>>66238617
Phase Connect has SOVL to back them up.

>>66238496
his thought process is that he wants to grow his company you fucking retard

>>66238406
she streamed less this year because she was busy with the auditions
i was talking about her normal streaming frequency and flesh ratio which is what she followed when nazuna hadn't soft-quit yet (late 2022)
this all started because you said kson doesn't stream in japanese which you then moved the goalposts to "she doesn't stream enough to collab with nazuna" as if nazuna would somehow jump into her ongoing streams?
also you can go fuck yourself for that last sentence, if she and henya quit i would never watch another second of vshojo

>>66238617
soul

>>66238617
Sony had no clue what they were doing, Phase has three years of experience they can draw from.
>>66238662
He hasn't missed yet, and I would say he's been planning to move into the JP market from day one.

>>66238366
Phase Gen1 didn't even get their first ads until 1 month ago. Shit, Lia and Uruka don't even have real ads they are just shorts/covers being used.
You give EN Gen1 the Gen3 shilling treatment, wow baby as at least +1k to their preexisting ccv's.

>>66238496
It will come down to the talents themselves. Their current 3 JP members are already pulling 3view numbers by themselves.
It will all depend if those 5 will be able to increase or at least keep their pull.

>>66238617
Sony killed their own golden goose. They sabotaged themselves.

>>66238699
I know, but this feels like this is just throwing something out there for the hell of it. Truthfully, I wouldn't really know how to penetrate the JP market as it currently is at the moment. Doing what VShoujo did (getting Kson and Nazuna) would've been my answer at first but even with their ad campaign blitz at the start, it really didn't change the status quo.

>>66239127
they key to all success in japan is collaboration

>>66238897
Thing is those are all gaijin viewers (who probably also like the chinchilla and ksqii), not growing a native fanbase up is a big red flag.

>>66234141
Then he didn’t forget her retard, he was talking about people who stream in Japanese

>>66239127
I think getting them up into low 3view would be a pretty big success. Having 5 low and 2 mid 3views would be a pretty solid foundation for future investments

>>66233228
No lol. Nijisanji and Hololive has a stranglehold on the regular vtubing market over there with vspo for the hardcore fps fans. I’ll give them 2-3 months before some of them start pandering to EN viewers.

I just hope they collab with DWU group.

>>66238924
samsung killed sony, korean bubble still has some time

>>66239464
>stranglehold

no

>>66238897
if this JP branch isn't high 3view, then this whole thing is a waste of time.
Realistically, he is gonna need to get lucky with this JP branch like he did with his EN Gen1.
His EN Gen1 contained a one in a lifetime cash cow in Pippa, a workhorse 4view in Tenma, and a late bloomer with high potential in Lia.

>>66239551
Why are you talking about phones, retard?

>>66238753
You are just wrong about Kson, that's all. And using the two years she streamed the most as "normal frequency" is just disingenuous at best. At worst you are expecting Kson to not get any big projects anymore.
Either way, Vshojo needed more JP speaking members, and that would stream in JP hours if they wanted to give a try at the JP market.

>>66239219
Does PC have any connections with the current JP scene? The main contact points that you'd need to have would be Hal (for FPS tourneys, etc), Ruri-nee, and Tamaki.

>>66239637
They also make tvs and monitors, among other things

>>66238872
>He hasn't missed yet
he missed by including jp's in his gen1 in the first place. look at their ccv and subs, anon. the fact that you get excited by 200ccv like it is some kind of boon of fortune is laughable.

right now, he is doubling down on that mistake because hubris is fucking with him. if phase stalls out, people are going to blame him wasting ad money and resources on a dead branch instead of using those funds to promote the existing stars he has.

>>66238496
I've been thinking that one way to do it is to bait new viewers with short spam and retain them with their entertainer skills. I know some shorts from PC girls that got million of views. I don't know if it's working on JP, though.

>>66239589
>high 3 view
If sakana pulls that, he is a god of vtubing. Not even Nijisanji can pull that for all of its members. Half of their members are barely on the large indie threshold.
And the same can be said for the many other considered big companies. Kagura Mea is the only one that has any considerable amont of viewers in her entire company for example.

>>66239883
You have no clue, do you?

>>66239589
I have no doubt that this JP branch will get to at least mid level 3 view. The question is do they get it by actually tapping into the JP market, or do they end up just throwing in the towel later on and just decide to pander to PC's already existing EN audience?

>>66239819
you literally said
>Kson didn't stream in JP

>>66240090
>The question is do they get it by actually tapping into the JP market,
the goal is to get into the JP market.

If all they are doing is re-allocating preexisting EN Phase fans (like has been done to current Phase JP's who have 90% EN chats), then this is a failure of an endeavor.

>>66240190
This. Those new JP girls have to be numberfags by trying to game the YT algorithm by any means.

>>66236810
>>66235396
there is no way sakana hires someone known for leaking actually important shit, phase is good at keeping things behind the scenes way the fuck behind them

>Jp branch
announcement in 5 AM Jst

roru rumao even

Beryl bros... is it finally time?

>>66239845
It looks like they have jackshit to do with actual JPs.
That said, getting in touch with someone like Tamaki would be one of the biggest things they could do. The free space in the JP market is incredibly fluid anchored by a few names such as him(her), Ui, Ponpoko/Peanuts and Mea.

>>66235396
Nahh, what makes Phase so great is they usually hire relative unknowns and Mikeneko is a liability

>>66240130
Oh, you are just retarded. Read the whole discussion before looking retarded.

Another thing that I want to point out is the idol concert meta that has spread throughout the JP scene. It used to be that Hololive, .Live and 774 were the only ones who did stuff like that while Niji and VSPO were more streamer focused with Niji doing their yearly company wide concert. Nowadays though, everyone over there has been trying to do their own idol-like concert (Niji putting out more and more solo lives for their non-idol talents, VSPO following the Hololive 3Dlive meta). Even the low level corpos over there are trying to organize concerts for their talents. Would Phase actually be equipped to do something like that? Or do they just stick to a streaming focused meta?

>>66240090
>mid level 3 view
yeah how are they getting those mid 3views? if all it is is en raids, then this shit is dead.
it is nice that michiru and nasa have gotten a bump because of en and raids and stuff, but, while that loosk good on playboard and makes people feel warm and fuzzy that you sang to 2000 viewers because pippa raided you, that is NOT how you grow business.

i would hope phase kinda puts a hard no jp/en raid lock in place. jp's have to grow the right way and get their own viewers if they want to make it.

Phase has made me think less of mentally ill people in general.

>>66240531
i can't be nearly as retarded as the guy who tried to claim that kson doesn't stream in japanese

>>66240690
Again, read the entire discussion. Notice that you are the one who brought up youtube out of nowhere, despite Nazuna not streaming on youtube.

>>66240860
they don't need to stream on the same website to collab you complet efucking troglotye

>>66240567
Interesting. I guess one of the big goals Fishman can set for his JP branch is to participate in VTuber concerts like VTuber Fes Japan (I don't know the smaller equivalent of it). But again, you have to allocate the resources to make 3D for those JP girls happens.

On one side, I guess Lia's comment about VTuber being an idol isn't valid in JP based on your point lmao: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yzVZyblKSl8

>>66240448
It's finally time... Even though I know it in my heart she's one of them but I NEED the voiceline teasers to confirm it just to set me to rest.

>>66233639
>telling people to buy an ad on their ad
this place has always been an ad board.

Worried about Phase getting too much attention. Makes me feel like doomposting.

>>66240968
Yeah, fishman showing up in her graduation stream chat is the biggest evidence.

>>66239883
You have terrible business sense if you thing putting all your eggs in one basket is a good idea.

>>66241424
Pitching your eggs into a basket in another country is a worse idea

>>66241905
How is expanding into a new, bigger market a bad idea?

>>66242206
because if it bombs, the money, songs and advertisement should have been used to further promote the girls in Phase who have shown growth potential.
it is a ballsy move I will give him that much.

>>66242339
well that and it could put pressure on the EN girls to recoup that money lost on JP.
This isn't Gen1 who had poverty advertising campaigns, no covers/songs, no state of the art overlays and assets etc so he made his money back in months. If it is anything like the treatment Gen3 got, this is going to be very costly.

Fish is a chinaman so that money will be recouped from somewhere, likely the top 8 breadwinners in EN.

>>66233064
>Cheeto-American voices his opinion.
Your garbage will never matter

>>66240410
Having breakfast or ride to work message. Seems okay.

>>66240625
Why do you hate yourself?

>>66238897
Iori isn't pulling consistent 3view numbers
The other 2 have been recently but consider the fact that
A.
> They were stuck as low 2views for the first 2 years of their lifespan
And B.
>the vast VAST majority of their viewers are EN's will spill through from other girls via raids and such
These 2 factors alone are why I doubt they'll seriously break into the JP sphere, most likely they'll be the same as the current JPs and have an 80% English audience that overlaps with EN.

>>66244101
Except that they were dumped into an EN generation with no support, advertising, or management, which is a massive handicap
And the majority of their audince is JP, but their EN viewers are disproportionately /here/ because of Potion/Arktism/Edging competitions/JP noises soundposts and a host of other /pcg/ memes

Can't argue the Iori point, but in fairness she hhas a filtering voice and splits her JP and EN audiences between twitch and youtube for some fucking reason

>>66233228
I don’t know about thrive, but Phase Connect is now bigger than 774 inc, who has like 50% more talents on their roster. They’re still slightly smaller than StarsEN, but I think they’re big enough that it’s not the worst idea. I’m skeptical, leaning towards optimistic.

>>66244420 (me)
Forgot to attach the image from vstats. Phase has inclined enough to show up in JP charts

>>66244499
this makes it look worse

>>66244407
JP has to get away from Phase EN and the pcg fags. They HAVE to establish their own viewership if this is going to work. If it is going to be what the current JP (IE just re-allocating preexisting Phase fans to their streams) then this will be a failure.

Pippa needs to never raid them in the first 6 months. Tell you right now if Pippa drops 3k bombs of retard EN's into a chat, it is going to deter JP viewers and greatly risks crippling the real growth of that chuuba. Phase has to keep EN and JP separate for a while if there is any hope of this working.

>>66244420
To be fair to 774, they lost both Patra and Met who are both good enough to be mid level holos and were literally the only ones keeping that company relevant. 774 with those two talents still there would be magnitudes bigger than Phase and even then they were still on the lower end of food chain in JP.

The only way Phase JP is taking off is if they did something ridiculous like poach Kizuna Ai or something like that.

>>66245079

>>66244843
No shit sherlock, your logic is sound, you just have no clue about the composition of the current JPs audiences, the dozen or two EN viewers from pcg aren't the backbone of their audience like a year ago or six months ago

>>66234493
Niji EN isn't that broken, they still have a couple of 4 views.

>>66244843
They are gonna get Chinchilla’d and that is a very very bad thing.

>>66238890
Gen 1 has consistently gotten ads since before their debuts.

>>66239883
>missed
They aren't hurting anyone and are well liked. Nothing wrong with having the Gen 1 JPs.

>>66242339
If promoting the EN girls is worth the money then there is nothing stopping him from spending it no matter what he does with the JPs.

>>66240448
Oh shit
Fishman has been spotted in her chat so it's possible

>>66245928
NTA but opportunity cost and resource allocation is a thing. Fishman does not have "fuck you" money. And even those with "fuck you" money still practice resource allocation, even if some of them are notoriously bad at it (Looking at you Bethesda and 343).

>>66240448
>EN-pandering JSL on a group meant for native JPs
DOA

>>66235664
>no way japs watches pippa
Apparently she has an audience in korea kek, I do think there are japanese people who speak english who watch phase, I think overall is a good addition.

>>66244759
>A small canadian company breaking through
>Worse
You people genuinly don't even try to act like you're not retarded huh? You just embrace it holy fuck KEK.

>>66240410
Tons of Japanese watch videos on headphones during morning commutes, retard

>>66244499
Imagine being worse than HoloStars EN

>>66244499
what am I looking at here?

>>66247675
StarsEN has been 10th or 11th on that chart for as long as I remember. They’ve always been bigger than all the small corpos. Phase has been continuously inclining over the last few months, and the gap between them and StarsEN was larger.
I legitimately think this month is when they overtake them, and watch as this board laughs at Phase for “barely” mogging a corpo that has “half the members” (because they’re going to count the new JP members who haven’t debuted yet).

>>66248825
Biggest branches worldwide for December 2023 by view-hours (so how long viewers stay is also important in addition to ccv).
Phase is also now the fifth largest vtuber corpo on YouTube, because this chart doesn’t measure Twitch.

>>66232860
>100
I remember when I watched Phase the JP girls on twitch had literally 30~50 max and basically barely interacted with the western girls.

Fuck Pippa, fuck Rosemi, don't trust or fuck Lumi.

I just have one prediction, no, one single request...

Please, let it be real just once....

If their Japanese streamers are anything like the EN ones, how long until they get canceled for saying something like
>Nanking had it coming
>All Koreans are dogs
>Senkaku belongs to Japan!

>>66251158
>Senkaku belongs to Japan!
anonchama, your geopolitics reps...

>>66251158
>If their Japanese streamers are anything like the EN ones
They aren't in the slightest
Michiru is a turboautist gamer
Nasa is the cutest most seiso VTuber alive
https://youtu.be/I0avQu0TgQ8?si=M9APZyI1UqY2-OTT

>>66234797
>HoloEN will inevitably join
What level of delusional is this KEK

>>66251683
CUTE CUTE CUTE

>>66236365
Romanian

>>66234249
Lot of EOP and ESL that will filter away any possible JP guy that randomly pass by.
If these girls aren't fluent in English they are simply FUCKED

>>66234220
Muyu isn't fluent in Japanese either.

>>66234220
Are you retarded?

>>66259141
NTA but I am

>>66236365
If the rrats are to be believed, half-jap, half-romanian, 100% CANADIAN

>>66234423
The issue is language, not ethnicity.
Pardon the salute.

>>66259196
Almost none of the phase girls can speak japanese outside "konichiwa" or "omae wa mo shinderu....NANI!" level of anime phrases.
Currently 90% of the JP gen1 audience is made of EOP and SEAmen that can't understand japanese

>>66260835
> finger_13.png
what's 1-12

>>66262810

>>66234797
Phase isn't about poaching talent from other agencies. The reason why they're as successful as they are is because they take talents that don't have a place in those other companies. They're never going to be Holo or NijiEN and they shouldn't be. Sakuna gave up on them being idols a long time ago. They work because they're different and found their own little niche in an already saturated as fuck market.

The timing is weird, though.

>hiring a bunch of random nip menheras
I wonder how well the fish even background checked these women.

>>66260835
Damn, image sitting on that

>>66237798
>clout
>The only way 90% of the corpo can break 4view is from pippa or tenma raids
Sure anon sure, give it 5 years maybe kiwi farms connect can get to Vshojo level someday

>>66232860
so now what, they're going to debut a handful more 2view/3view girls who can't understand their chat? What's even the point?

>>66232414
Daddochamas we are so back

My 2024 resolution is for phase to overtake the market just to see the holoseethe

TOTAL PHASE DOMINATION

Do you really trust a company whereby the CEO doesnt even reveal his face.

>>66263662
he used his uncanny ability to find the right kind of jap menhera. I wonder if it has something to do with his autism

>>66268842
He has no choice coffee is serious business.
Nestle assassins are no joke.

>>66263841
>Lia was hitting 1k recently watching skibidi toilet a day or 2 ago.
>lumi hit 1.5-1.8k on twitch
>pippa gets 5.5k-5.7k watching police body cams on Saturday. Got a higher boost on twitch to reach 2.8k
>shiina gets like 1.3-1.5k.
>euphoria members are still managing to hit 1k ccv status and the loli purple cow last time I saw manages 1.5k ccv.
>they are tapping into the JP market and I am assuming the Fishman has some trick up his sleeve to not make the next generation flop as everyone is expecting to happen.

It's sad that after vei, nyanners and silvervale left vshojo is they either 1.shill mouses medical condition. 2. Standby like hungry vultures next to nijisanji. 3. Collab with more flesh streamers. The golden years of vshojos growth was early 2020 to the date the nux drama happened any timeframe after that their streaming quality flopped. I hope vshojo won't be mad if the members start getting compared to phase connect over hololive.

>>66236365
Yomam, Japan, Canada Prefecture

>>66232414
>fairy
POMU COMING TO PHASE?

>>66259441
>half-romanian
She always looked more like a bat than a fox to me. Guess that's appropriate.

>>66269836
Lets see if any of these JPs can overtake Henya before talking shit.

>>66269836
I don't know what to do anymore. I am at my wit's end. I know everyone will mock me for posting this here. But I don't even have a private account anymore. I don't have privacy in general anymore.

I will reply to responses to this post and respond to messages to the following email. After that I will block this website like I blocked Streamlabs so that I can no longer be blamed for everything. After that, I don't know. Everything feels dark and grim and hopeless. I've never felt this low in my entire life.

phantomfudoki@gmail.com

I'm tired of being mocked and treated like a subhuman. I wish I could at least be afforded the decency of knowing if I'm going to be sued or not so I don't have to live my life in fear.

I just don't know what to do.

>>66232414
>Phaseshitters shilling thread
Still not gonna watch

>>66271065
why are you posting copypasta

>>66262965
>Sakuna gave up on them being idols a long time ago
lol
LMAOOOOO even
He's never going to let that go.

>>66262965
>Phase isn't about poaching talent from other agencies.
Then why is like 90% of Tsunderia in Phase now? They do the same shit as vshojo but with a small company instead of a big one.

>>66232414
I mean at this point. You can't deny Phase anymore. Sakana is surrounded by a lot of smart people so he gets good advice and he doesn't appear to be a shit head.

>>66272378
W-we only took 2 tsun members.

>>66234423
I heard she is Canadian. Pretty sure she is Canadian.

>>66272567
Dizzy, Ember, Saya, Muyu...A bit more than 2

>>66272553
Tell that to Yuri...

>>66233228
>>66233711
>>66238496
Why assume Phase isn't picking bilingual applicants, or applicants with at least a little bit of conversational English? English is pretty much the general trade language in Southeast Asia and a JST streamer could easily service that market while also capturing JP audiences as well.

>>66272949
Yuri was the shithead in that, anon.

>>66244420
>774 inc
>a corpo in the edge to be no more
it's a kind unjust compare it now, considering >>66244982 and the fact they were in the media way longer than nijisanji

>>66251683
>Nasa
>seiso

>>66238617
Baffling logic. Sony has more resources than Cover and Anycolor, so how are they successful?

>>66269836
is this bait

>>66252282
Both of you must be esl. I understood him to mean the Holo and Niji will merge.

>>66269836
What are you talking about? Vshojo had it's most successful year by far in 2023 AFTER losing their biggest members. Henya and all the other new talents still most of phase easily.

It's ok man it's not 2020, the 4chan hivemind isn't focused of Vshojo anymore you don't have to hate them like an NPC.

>>66247471
Chicken Pizza
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AiS1Dy3QBYk&pp=ygUTUGlwcGEgY2hpY2tlbiBwaXp6YQ%3D%3D

>>66268842
?¿??
His real face is on his LinkedIn which is on the official phase connect website.

>>66269836
Why would it be a bad thing for VShojo and Phase Connect to be compared? They're more similar as streamers than either are to Holo or Niji, acting more like regular people than playing a character. I guess this is a numbers thing but none of those except Pippa are VSJ-level, even the shitters of VSJ like Haruka and Geega routinely outperform all other numbers listed.

>>66234296
>They have business sense and brains
>Do not even have 1% like Holostars
Phasecucks are funny,æ

This gen better just be Michiru putting on different voices

>>66284229
Phase feels more similar to 2020 Hololive than anything

>>66272378
>poach
>From Tsunderia, shut down a year ago
I wish esl would kill themselves before posting on english websites.

>>66272567
>>66272902
They were all independent you dumb ass(es)

>>66284494
NTA but you do realize that the fish CEO has both interacted and even met several of the former tsun girls while they were still in, right? This isn't just a case of hiring some random girls he just found out about.

>>66284416

>>66284709
Tsunderia ceased operations a year ago anon. You can't poach from a company that has zero employees. And Dizzy herself said on stream that she begged Sakana for a job after trapping him in a car.

>>66269836
You can't compare vshojo with trash anon

>>66233375
Phase has no clout on EN market anon, it's a reality. Nobody want to get close to someone's like pippa in ten foot pole because they will get cancelled and called out

>>66232414
>Phaseshit
Tsunderia retirement home

>>66244420
They're nearly equal in talent amount now with phase's 3rd gen out. Nanashi Inc. is at 28, though you can substract Tirol since she's on permanent hiatus and Anna since her graduation is already set for Q1 of this year, so 26. Phase is at 22 talents now.

>>66286685
>Tirol
Haven't heard that name in a while. Wonder what happened to her. I liked her.