/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65950387

>>65950387
How can I support her financially?

>>65951133
Etsy is the best way for now, link above.

>>65950387
>>65951273
Why is she selling Gura stickers? Is this even legal?

>>65951357
Tons of artists sell fan-made works. Especially within Hololive, Cover is generally alright with it since its free advertisement.

>>65951357
It's within what's allowed by Hololive, dw about it.

>>65951273
It's a lot easier for me to give free money to a chuuba than to buy something from her that I don't want. I just discovered that about myself.

>>65950387
>Etsy store: https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/dokidoggu

>>65951957
If that's the case then she does have a streamlabs as well
https://streamlabs.com/dokibird/tip

>>65952043
Thanks. My google fu must suck because I couldn't find it.

>>65951357
I don't think Cover cares but you can always report it to Anycolor.

>>65950387
calm down OP she's not gonna graduate

>>65952043
>>65952278
I'd be careful with that one. Near as I can tell it ain't linked on her social media, instead it got posted in one of the previous threads by someone claiming to have figured out the url. Could be legit, but could also be someone trying to pull a fast one. Etsy seems safer.

I just hope shes okay

How awkward are her relationship right now with niji management and milllie?

>>65955204
Yeah going directly against management? they terminated Zaion for more minor bullshit

I find it very interesting that she had barely any tweets beyond random reblogs since her graduation, until about a month or two ago... Now she is very active... Makes you think.

>>65952043
if that's legit wouldnt that be enough to warrent a graduation or even termination?

>>65953629
>actively encouraging her graduation by enlarging the rift between her and Anycolor
Kind of Machiavellian there

>>65952008
Extenuating circumstances indeed. I wonder how much of that content in the store is by the other half of the duo who manages it?

>>65952008
Good of them to edit their review for that, to be honest.

>>65950387
Sell me this chuba

>>65950387
I want to lick Doki's noose scar!

>>65960347
interesting laugh

>>65957554
What makes you think is her doing a Twitter audio for new years on doki and nothing on Selen.

>>65966117
Probably doesn't have access to the Selen account at the moment

>>65968018
Yeah, which is a bad sign or a good sign depending on where you stand with Niji

New fan art https://twitter.com/visavisachan/status/1742922940826689663

>>65970350
Awesome. I'm glad she has fans like Savi.

>>65955204
At this point it could go any way. I got my own schizoid theory that Selen at this point in time has to negotiate her contract with Anycolor or will have to soon, and she absolutely does not want to after 2023 and Christmas. The company is trying to play hard ball and is promising things like
>"Hey, if you sign it we PROMISE we'll try and bring back your cover for you!"
but she's incredibly weary after tons of issues throughout the last year. So assuming it's not a stealth suspension, management just wont let her stream just like they didnt for Magni or Vesper in Holostars.

>>65972398
She asked for dokidog stuff in december 16 and was testing the waters for doki merch on december 23. to me, it reads like her expecting something to happen to her income, so it may be that she was expecting something to happen around this time, even if not something as dire as what ended up happening.

Is it me or she seems way sweeter and cuter as doki?

>>65974098
She cant whore around as much as doki so yea

>>65974098
Selen's model was perfect for a gamer gremlin so it would be interesting to see how she would act if she came back as doki

>>65974098
yea I like her more this way

>>65972398
Her cover is already out there, which is what she wanted. I don't think Niji even cares anymore, since Selen telling people to reupload it fucks the monetization.

>>65974098
Yeah, she is.

>>65957508
The thing is Selen makes them money.

>>65951357
Only Kurocolor seethes about """""""""""bootleg""""""""""" merch

>>65979963
Doesn't matter. I was top 5 earner in a company and got booted for hanging up on someone who was verbally abusing me. Corpo culture is about blindly sticking to rules.

>>65981973
Yep, they see you as a nail to be either hammered down or pulled out.
Otherwise, you might deviate more from their corporate vision, or others might be influenced to imitate you. At least, that's how they see it.

Oh, the cleanup crew is up. At least a few messages are gone already. Hope Niji's paying good for that loyalty.

>>65982636
The fuck are you talking about

>>65982636
I’m not on twitter you monkey

>>65982850
>>65982903
I'm talking about jannies in this thread, you dumb fucks

>>65981973
That is especially true in Japan.

>>65974498
It'd be funny to see her in Kanamesigogomaru's style

https://twitter.com/hinatsu_sd/status/1743023449461936343?t=ZH_9DoxwgbjpZr61OzZQEA&s=19

Looks like her artists are preparing too.

>>65985187
I think they're just making an extra account just in case? I doubt they know more than us, but it's probably smart to do if they don't wanna make it obvious Barney = Doki when drawing them.

I'm going to throw in a wildcard bet of TSM_Doki

>>65985187
That, or they're doing the same thing as us, supporting Doki while NotDoki is gone.

>>65985187
Wait, which artist is this supposed to be?

>>65986987 (Me)
Nevermind, I'm an idiot.
https://twitter.com/127_sd_/status/1743020391063560680

>>65987047
127 is a rather famous artist for the purple dragon. I guess, no matter how this situation plays out, a lot more people now know the connection between her and Doki - for better or worse.

I'm hoping she comes back soon, as either doki or notdoki, but I'll wait as long as it takes.

>>65988175
Hopefully it happens sooner or later. I think Fillian still hinted at a collab with Selen, but again we'll have to wait and see.

>>65988238
She didn't. She said that Selen's been "unresponsive". Which makes sense if she doesn't have access to any of the work accounts, including discord or whatever they used to reach out.

>>65988304
Nta, but I’m wondering if Fillian was in contact with NotSelen.

>>65988304
Well, that's worrying. Whatever is going on at Anycolor, I hope they sort it out.

>>65988491
Yeah. The lack of news is pretty much the biggest problem so far, from our standpoint.
>>65988402
Doubt it. Also doubt Filian would be able to keep her mouth shut if they were in contact. So, probably not.

how does it feel? actively wishing for graduation or termination, i mean?

>>65974098
I guess cause doki is more "personal"?

>>65989061
Not everyone here feels that way and everyone who does thinks it's in her interests.

>>65989248
>Not everyone here feels that way
>making a general about an inactive PL
Coulda fooled me.

>>65989061
Go back to /HAHA/, or /NijiEN/, or whatever the hole you crawled out of.

>>65989286
Quite literally more active than Selen for the past week.

>>65989286
>inactive PL
It is the only part of her that's active right now.
Go check out the previous thread that got knocked off the catalog when somebody spammed a dozen Phase threads at once, it gives insight into different anons' perspectives. >>65918991

>>65989394
answer the question, coward.

>>65989516
you already have your answer, faggot, it's right here - >>65989248

>>65989061
>Damn your employer's treating you like shit, you deserve better, consider leaving

Would not be a controversial statement anywhere but the vtubing sphere

>>65952008
Was the Doggu guy her bf or roommate then

>>65989707
You are the first person that responded. You don't speak for everyone. I read that little thread and I'll just say that that last post that said she is not close to anyone in NijiEN and is possibly closer to Axel and Altair is fucking sad.
Just straight up sad.

Options for doki
-- indie
She can run her career exactly she she wants and play apex with pros all day. But she won't have as much visibility. Long term the wind will be against her.
-- vshojo
Probably not a good fit for her personality, but definitely a realistic option.
-- VSPO
She'll fit right in and be among peers. Although the risk is high since nobody knows how popular their EN branch will be. Also it's another Japanese corpo. That said they obviously want her, perhaps she could negotiate a great contract.
-- Phase Connect
She would be one of their star talents. I think it's a great option, but only if she meshes with the other girls. Also they're probaby looking for long term commitment, so she has to be prepared to make it her home

>>65990852
how does she play with apex pros and remain unkonwn?
her voice and apex skill could carry her, and I dont even like apex that much

>>65990852
I agree with you about everything except VSJ. She's already friendly with a couple members and the current iteration of the org isn't as at odds with her personality as the one that existed 6 months ago. I'm more worried about it not being a good platform to fulfil her ambitions than anything else
Also, Phase Connect is a big a risk. Despite some recent inclines they're small potatoes, she'd lose fans there. But I could see here being really good there.

>>65991347
but the last thread in no uncertain terms straight up was talking about how she has no friends in current nijiEN, and I don't think I'm being provocative by saying Matara and Kuro were never really that close to her.
Hell it seems Matara found more common ground in NijiEN before she left, despite being initially ostracized, than she has. And doki debuted as the queen bee because she was so instantly popular
the only friendship she seems to have is with Pomu, even among obsydia there is 0 unity despite rosemi telling her she loves her

>>65991584
I wasn't talking about Matara and Kuro, nor am I really saying they're close friends. But she sometimes plays Apex offline with Froot and just arranged a collab with Zentreya. I think she also collabed with Melody recently too. I don't think she'd have any problem fitting in, it's more a question of whether she wants to do what the other members are doing.

>>65991799
I'd be wary of Froot.
I think her being indie is her best option.
I don't buy she'll stay small if she's good and plays with pros.
If all she does is enter tournies, choke and lose, gets depressed and no one but her mode dictates whether she streams or not - then I'd be worried about her staying indie

>>65990852
>>65992118
I don't know why you're assuming that all she wants to do is play Apex. She has barely streamed it in the last few months.

jannies should be embarrassed these threads have stayed up

>>65993603
All it'll take for these threads to ease up is for either Doki or notDoki to be back.

wake up babe new Doki tweet

sounds like she's done with streaming in general

fucking Niji what have you done?

>>65993731
and for jannies to do their job

>>65993356
I'm not saying that's all she'd do, just that it's obviously her ticket to exposure.
>>65993777
>wants to draw again
>nooooooo it's fucking over!!!!!111!
Am I in /NFL/? What are these overreactions lol?

>>65993812
>>65993603
really wonder how long you're going to be able to just pretend everything's OK

>>65993777
Her emotes are pretty good. They're the main thing that show up on GIS, take a look.

>>65993777
This whole situation is an odd one to say the least, but at least she seems to be doing okay. At least she's alive.

>>65950387
Not a VTuber

>>65994065
Use your eyes

>>65993953
Old example

>>65994065
NIJISEETHE

>>65993901
Why it not be ok?
Prove the following:
>she got fucked over by management
>she tried to hurt herself/head a breakdown/her hospital visit isn't merely correlated but CAUSED by the cover fiasco
>that telling fans to reupload was in any way wise
Point is, we don't know what happened and will have to wait for her to tell us.

>>65994065
That's literally a screencap from a stream but okay.

>>65993777
It's so over

>>65993777
I'm glad we're getting some activity, I don't think she'll stop streaming but I do hope that if she goes full doki then we get some drawing streams there.

>>65993777
Just emotes is kinda lame

>>65993777
I dont get the idea that shes done streaming but I do get the idea that she wants to take a break for a while. She probably also wants so income when shes on break

>>65994403
Even if she were not done streaming, doesn't anycolor stop them from doing so right after their termination/graduation anyways?

>>65994403
>on break
Kek, involuntary break yeah

>>65994497
No, Yugo was literally back a week after termination. Same goes for Gundou in JP.

>>65994102
>>65994122
>>65994200
How would you fags feel if I made a PL general for one of your Holos? This is an offtopic thread. Go back to your doxx site.

>>65993777

>>65994684
Not as fully animated vtubers, they all had to wait months
>>65994768
retard

>>65994832
My point stands, don't cry when I do it

>>65994832
thats because models take a long time to make. Several people who graduated in both jp and en didnt have models and those that did had plans of unveiling new models instead of their old ones but those plans were delayed due to a p2w commission system.

>>65994768
If they have a reactivated VTuber persona, then go for it.

>>65994832
NIJISEETHE

>>65994992
Meant for >>65994768

>>65994984
Gundou streamed with a black blob after her mandated break and afaik still is

She's never going to graduate and you guys never saw her stream in the first place, so why the hell are you guys pretending to care about her?

>>65993777
Kind of interesting how things went from "Everything's crazy until the end of February!" to "Guess I'll take commissions!"

>>65994497
>international non-compete in Canada
kek

anycolor would have to pay a severance and she would have to agree for any compete clauses to actually matter

>>65995160
Because numberfags needed yet another containment shithole and they really want to play this game of fucking with Niji fans

>>65993777
Without getting shot by one of the jannies, starting up something new doesn't mean it's the end. I thought the same for my oshi and was proven wrong.
I am completely convinced she is done with Nijisanji though

>>65995118
Yes that was my point from the beginning, there dont seem to be restrictions on streaming post graduation. The only thing that prevents them from streaming with full fledged models post graduation is that a lot of them either
A: Want to ditch their past entirely (Nina)
B: Dont have models (Gundou, Yugo, Mysta)
C: Had grand plans of streaming with new models that got delayed due to the mama prioritizing high dollar commissions over lower priced ones (sayu)

>>65994768
There is literally a constant stream of FuwaMoco ones made by your kind. At least Doki seems plausibly able to come back.

>>65994768
Lots of precedent for this. /rumina/, /orc/, etc. I think this would be the first Niji PL general, but it's always a good thing when fans can keep a vtuber's general alive.

>>65994768
Anon, if any holo chuuba reactivates her pl then people do create generals. Hell, notGura gets threads for her pl even though it's not reactivated.

>>65995331
NTA but I havent seen a thread for their past lives in forever.
Ill also point out that they were one of the top begged for vtubers by holofans /here/ when their graduation was announced.

>>65994150
>Why it not be ok?
Not that anon but from what we can see throughout the past year, Selen and NijiEN management haven't had the smoothest working relationship. There were instances where she couldn't go through with company-wide tournaments, one instance where she basically had to save Anycolor's image during a "design my future outfit!" contest because of a clause in their rules that basically said
>Whether you win or lose, we will own the rights to any designs submitted and can use them in the future without compensation
and now she's on a hiatus of some kind where she is seemingly locked out of her Nijisanji account. Things absolutely do not seem okay, and not a ton of people can provide proof in terms of timestamps that people are talking about Selen on Stream.

>>65995434
Sort by creation date, it's relatively common. There was one yesterday.

>>65995405
No she doesnt. Just mentioning her name alone gets you sniped by jannies. Last I knew anyways. Which always bothered me because it wasnt like she was a flesh streamer ever, her last incarnation was a vtuber before vtubers were even that popular in the west

>>65995363
/unou/ (Lulu/Yuka Misumi general) was a thing back then

>>65995492
The annoying thing is half the time it's posted by shitters who do it in bad faith

>>65993777
Nothing here implies that she's going to quit streaming. The notable thing is that she's feeling well enough to start working again.

>>65995363
>fans

>>65995363
>>65995564
Not even mentioning Kson's or Mikeneko's (when it was around)

>>65995564
That only stopped because people stopped making the general. Every time it's up, it stays alive for a while.
If we decided to stop being so lazy, it'd be alive again.

>>65995564
That got pruned once she started fleshstreaming, but you're right that it existed.

>>65995562
What the fuck is wrong with saying Sen? Are the jannies this thin-skinned?

>>65995562
Saying Senzawa gets a vacation?

>>65995160
They created this thread out of spite. If they were real Dragoons in this thread they would've known that the plan was for /HAHA/ to always be the general for her, it's just that the Vtuber in question would be changed to whoever she's going to be next. There was no need for this thread to exist. The only reason why it exists is to piss off Dragoons.

>>65995704
Jannies are some real bitch ass niggers if they think Senzawa is a bad word LMAO

>>65995781
If they were real dragoons and not Riku's cocksucker they would've left that thread the moment she went radio silent

>>65995781
>whoever she's going to be next
Why are you so certain she's actually graduating? There's no proof she is or will be. This is an offtopic thread.

>>65995631
It's not an anti general, or a troll general. At worst it's a testament to the fact fans love the talent and will go with her wherever she goes, which is a good thing.

>>65995314
Honestly speaking, I dont see it happening. People shit on niji a lot and sometimes rightfully so but people also dont realize just how good the paycheck is. Selen funded several projects for the branch and has admitted several times that theres no way that she could do it as an indie and people will say shit like
>THATS JUST CUZ NIJI MAKES HER FEEL WORTHLESS!!!
But in reality, corpos like Niji are extremely profitable if youre well liked. You can literally see the engagement and followers on Doki vs Selen. Even people like Kson took a hit to her followers and profits for a very long time and to this day only gets a fraction of what she used to unless she starts fleshtubing.

Coco was the #1 most superchatted channel of all time, kson, despite now being around for longer, doesnt even make the top 10. Sayu iirc was talking about going back to work too.
Nina and Mysta got poached and maybe the same thing could happen to her but shes got no real ties with anyone in vsj outside of maybe froot.

>>65995893
Yeah that's why she's tweeted more on dokibird than through nijisanji channels amirite

>>65995964
How is this not an anti/troll general? It's full of subhuman numberfags spamming NIJI LE BLACK COMPANY every other post

>>65995160
Literal cope

>>65995582
Wow, just like this thread.

>>65995995
Get Riku's cock out of your mouth before talking

>>65995631
I legitimately created this thread for doki and because I actually like her. This is a thread to discuss what goes on and what she posts when she posts it. The moment she goes back to notDoki is the moment the thread ends, if she goes back at all.

>>65981973
Ok, Vesper

>>65995808
>>65995685
>>65995704
Im just telling you what ive seen, since 2021 a lot of the time when she got brought up in threads or had generals jannies would delete them and people would get banned for "dox" even though she was a vtuber

>>65995991
So? I remember when several Holos did that on their PL account like Kronii and none of them graduated

>>65995995
Would you rather have those people in /HAHA/? Containment general at worst.

>>65990852
>-- vshojo
>Probably not a good fit for her personality, but definitely a realistic option.
Why not? She is little different from Froot.

>>65996026
>because I actually like her
No you don't, numberfag. According to your kind she is a whore because she doesn't get Fuwamoco's numbers or something.
>>65996017
And you first with Yagoo

>>65995995
Look, at worst it's a containment thread at best the people who made it and keep making it actually like doki.

>>65996067
This. I also feel like its offtopic to talk about doki in a selen general, for the time being.
I dont predict shes leaving, at least not for good, but I dont see the harm in having a containment thread

>>65996117
>he lacks the critical information

>>65996059
So remember when several holos got their Christmas cover privated - oh wait

>>65996134
>actually like doki
Holosaviors and numberfags aren't genuine fans.

>>65995995
Oh I'm sorry did I hit a nerve?

>>65994150
>she got fucked over by management
>she tried to hurt herself/head a breakdown/her hospital visit isn't merely correlated but CAUSED by the cover fiasco
These are both pretty obviously true
>that telling fans to reupload was in any way wise
Yeah it clearly wasn't really, so what?

>>65996125
>everyone that does something I don't like is a numberfag
The absolute fucking state

>>65996152
Actually speaking, mori had a cover taken down iirc and also went on a spree of streaming on her rm and producing music on it for nearly an entire year

>>65995893
I'm not actually. I don't think she is going to graduate, and I agree with you that this thread is off topic and that it's low-key a dox thread. Why the jannies haven't deleted it yet is beyond me.

>>65996141
Yes, I do.

>>65996191
More genuine than niji cocksuckers who continue to deep throat niji cock as they fuck over their "oshi"

>>65995869
>least retarded tourist

>>65996201
>doesn't deny he's a numberfag
Yeah we all know you think Selen/Doki is a whore. You just made this thread because you want to tribalfag against the rainbow chomp as your blue dorito overlords told you to.

>>65996239
Sorry, I can't spoonfeed about Froot. I got banned last time. But it's easy to find

>>65996279
>least retarded niji cocksucker

>>65996286
>we all know you think Selen/Doki is a whore
Why the fuck would I think that? Furthermore, if I say I'm not a numberfag then you'll just say I'm lying anyways.

>>65995995
It is a troll/bait thread.

>>65996289
Watch her actual streams, not threads on catalog. Froot is a great streamer everything else about her is off-topic because its PL shit(and not even true or confirmed).

>>65996265
And we're all pissed at management too.
Now why can't Holofags do the same for their daily yab?

>morning in SEA
>thread is suddenly flooded with Niji shills
You're not fooling anyone.

>>65996289
I will spoonfeed him

>>65996239
froot is a britbong, there is literally nothing else you need to know, because being a britbong is an infinitely worse crime than anything else on this planet

Just an aside, this thread was dead until loyalist goons, /nijien/tards, or whoever wandered in to start a fight. It actually died last night. If it's an anti general begging for NotDoki to graduate that's your fault, you wandered in to bite bait that wasn't even on offer.

>>65996230
That's just Mori being retarded and thinking she could funnel fans because she had to "be real". Someone sat her down and explained vtubers are real just as her in performer mode is real

>>65996230
No she didn't get it taken down, she had trouble getting cover to approve the perms for her roki English cover.
The difference is that cover, unlike nijisanji, didn't let her get to the point of releasing it as Mori before striking it down like nijisanji because they aren't more interested in partying on their golden yacht than doing their jobs

>>65995562
I’ve only ever seen that if the PL involved real life shit or was explicitly tied to a real life entity. Like Mori’s PL isn’t a vtuber, neither was Kiara’s, or Ame’s really. Henya gets name dropped as Pika all the time and I’ve never seen anybody get banned for that. I’ve even seen people talking about Irys’ past life a long time ago, or Pomu’s too.

And most importantly, it’s not a PL if she’s active on it right now.

>>65996026
You created this thread to piss off Dragoons. Don't lie. You're not a fan of her.

>>65996359
Umm racism is not allowed on 4chan sweaty :^)

>>65996319
Based retard showing his newfaggotry TWICE

>NA prime time
>niji cocksuckers show up in the thread
Coincidence? I THINK NOT

>>65996418
The nijinigger shrieks in horror upon being found out

>>65996125
Take your meds anon. People can casually enjoy the talents and wish them well. Not everyone is one of those numberfags out to get NijiEN like you think. The truth is Anycolor's reputation throughout 2023 took a major hit due to so many bad decisions made, its not just a /here/ thing as much as it has slowly become a commonly repeated phrase among vtuber fans. The fact that the talents have to go on stream and say "We aren't a black company!" really shows just how hard the company fell from grace amongst EN fans

>>65996371

>>65996412
>You created this thread to piss off Dragoons
I created this thread to specifically discuss doki until notdoki comes back.
>Don't lie
You see, anything I say and you'll say I'm lying.

>>65996496
>The truth is Anycolor's reputation throughout 2023 took a major hit due to so many bad decisions made, its not just a /here/ thing as much as it has slowly become a commonly repeated phrase among vtuber fans. The fact that the talents have to go on stream and say "We aren't a black company!" really shows just how hard the company fell from grace amongst EN fans
No, that was you faggots containment breaking everywhere. Don't lie.

>>65996482
>he wrote this while Dragoons on the other thread got kicked out for going against Niji cumture on the Luxiem era
Lurk 1 billion years to avoid looking like a retard

>>65996230
>Actually speaking, mori had a cover taken down iirc and also went on a spree of streaming on her rm and producing music on it for nearly an entire year
She never had a cover taken down, though it's a mighty struggle to get perms for them. She also never really stopped producing music as her RM, she released a couple songs there this year, including one like last week kek. Also "spree of streaming" makes it sound like more than it was, she did maybe one stream a month for a while? A good chunk of holo stream on their RM more often than that. She did reduce her RM activity a bit recently since she has a lot of Mori projects though. She seems in a pretty good place these days, I hope Selen finds happiness similarly, it really hurts to see such a sweet girl go through all this shit.
t. deadbeat

>>65996552
Yes, because the world loves anycolor and respects them and all of their fans around the world, truly they are a shining beacon on a hill for all of us to look upon and admire.

I just skimmed this thread but the end of it has me wanting to make a post so I'll just say
-Doki is friends with Froot and Zen. Anyone spouting catalog rrats is retarded because this remains true no mater how much they may not want it to be
-Doki and Matara were never super close, but they obviously don't dislike each other. And Doki + Kuro obviously do know one another and were closer than Doki + Mata.
-While they haven't had much contact, she and Mel instantly hit it off and would be another face she knows going in IF she were to join VShojo.
-Nijifags don't want her to wind up in VShojo because she's close to Pomu, and Mata + Doki + Mel + ESPECIALLY Henya could be enough to pry her away from Nijisanji once and for all.

>>65996552
While there are containment breakers everywhere on every board on this site, a quick look at IP counts shows that this board is too small to make anything resembling a difference. Even if the IP counts somehow reached 200+, that would account for a tiny, miniscule percentage of any liver's fanbase.
Anycolor's reputation took a hit last year because of management's own actions and some of the problem talent's actions. And some people that leave Nijisanji aren't above taking potshots at their former employer, that's not something /vt/ can accomplish as much as it is the company's poor management.

>>65996286
Holy fucking shit when it’s eventually revealed that Selen either was made to lie or really did try to kill herself, when she eventually leaves, I want you nijisisters to collectively put your feet in your mouths and choke on them

>>65996571
Yeah, these fuckers always conveniently forget they excommunicado'd dragoons from that general

>>65996230
She didnt have a cover taken down, that roommate shit was her getting a big head and listening to her manic depressive impulses. Also, Mori gets way more support from hololive than anyone else in niji period.

>>65996482
This thread doesn't need to exist. /HAHA/ was going to turn into a (what ever she's going to become next) thread, while still being called /HAHA/. Her laugh wouldn't change, just her model and name would.

>>65996659
Thanks deadbeat!

>>65996921
Okay. Do you want /HAHA/ to look like this thread has for the last hundred posts or so?

>>65996921
Well now they can come here instead and make a clean break from her niji identity

>>65996496
Actually speaking it largely was due to containment breakers.
The worst thing that happened in 2023 was the AR live cancellation. Mysta left in part due to it and Nina graduated because luxiems audience (mainly mystas) were harassing her.
2023 was filled with things like a live 3d concert from lazulight, several new outfits, several song covers, big projects featuring both NijiEN and JP, some of the best merch the branch has ever got, several en members participating in one of the biggest vtubing events in Japan and etc.
There were a shit ton of good things that happened that you'll never hear about because anycolor tried to take down a dramatuber a year and a half ago

>>65996374
Nijikeks are their own worst enemy

/haha/ is just whining and hornyposting like usual, I'd rather read this thread thanks

>>65997099
>Actually speaking it largely was due to containment breakers.
It was prior to the ar live cancellation and zaion's book of grudges style firing
After that it got ingrained enough that it started being repeated by other communities.
The nijiID graduations conga didn't help

>>65991584
>Matara and Kuro were never really that close to her.
Yeah, its not like they are the reason she is in this mess to begin with.

>>65993777
>emotes
The desperation is real

>>65997099
I'd argue the worst thing for nijiEN in 2023 that damaged their reputation the most for none nijiEN fans was Zaion's termination notice. AR live cancelled due to covid, while dumb, is very inline with typical corpo autism. That laughably over the top termination notice? Not so much.

>>65997411
She gotta pay back that $15K somehow, might as well stick with what she knows

>>65997456
IIRC the Secret GC stream, Zaion's termination, Anycolor's copyright strikes being revoked, and the AR Live being cancelled were basically back to back on top of that. Everything that could've gone wrong for the branch absolutely did.

>>65996195
Prove those are "obviously" true

>>65997793
>Secret GC stream
To this day a baffling event >>65997793

>>65997334
You fucking what m8?
Explain

>>65998448
Assuming that anon is operating under the assumption that the appearance of Mysta and Nina in the video are what got it taken down. Nevermind that even if that is the case, the only one who has a problem with it is Niji corporate

>>65997290
>>65997456
The thing is that nobody actually really gave two shits about zaion for the short period of time she was there. And if you applied any critical thinking you could see that her document left out some important things like the reason why nobody liked her towards the end (something she mentioned) the fact that one of her genmates warned her several times about the potential consequences of her actions and that she was giving hearts to YouTube comments shitting on anycolor and the people in it on sayu.
Sayu also respected dramafags even though they didn't really give a fuck about her outside of free content that they profited off of.
To this day she streams to a very small increase from what she was streaming to before she joined NijiEn.

I'll also be frank. ID were nobodies who liked it that way. As someone who actually followed the IDs. There were stories from both Hana and Mika about how they'd get ghosted and treated poorly by other id members because they spoke English and got above 2view status. Comparatively KR has been having the time of their life and even got invited to NijiFes this year.
>>65997793
The secret GC stream actually was pretty well received outside of /here/ people thought it was funny on Twitter and a lot of people posted clips and shit from it laughing at it until it got posted by the usual suspects and it turns out that people don't like seeing their reflections.

I'll also point out that it also stems from the AR cancellation. Had that never happened the stream wouldn't have existed but everyone was extremely frustrated that they'd been told something exciting was happening only for it to go south

>>65998605
You have to admit, it's set in motion a chain of events that could end that way. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>65998448
The whole reason why the video was taking down and she was stealth-suspended is because she made a video about her probably graduating one day and throwing Mysta and Nina into it. Yeah, Niji management is the problem like >>65998605 said but she took the risk of putting Nina and Mysta in the video knowing that. I think this proves that Selen at least liked them well enough to care about them even after they left.

>>65998605
Okay, let's assume that is true? What about Nina unofficially appearing in off collabs? You could literally hear her voice, and it's not like that is any less recognizable than her model.

owari da

>>65999136
The fact that it's rescheduled and not flat out cancelled is potentially promising

>>65999181
Its "rescheduled".

>>65952008
Why does she still have the link to her ex's stuff? Didn't they broke up years ago?

new tweet

>>65998705
>nobody actually really gave two shits about zaion
Yes, we can see that's how managment felt, which is why they spilled the spaghetti. You say that like it's a good thing.

>>65999136
not really, if anything it gives more proof that she was suspended for at least 2 weeks

>>65999181
Permanent rescheduling

>>65999570
She did a better job on that project than I ever could, my hands arent made for arts.

>>65999813
there's no permanent in there

She MADE that?

>>65999181
just like AR colors is rescheduled since february, 2 more weeks and we're good

>>65998705
>The thing is that nobody actually really gave two shits about zaion
That's what management actually believed, and that's why they thought leaking the fact that they did stealth suspensions wouldn't result in backlash.
The fact of the matter is, you can tell someone is doing something shitty without actually caring too much about the victim on a personal level, and that's exactly what happened.

>>66000079
How do you make this? By hand or 3D printer?

>>65985566
TSM is so hard up for money they had to amputate the crown jewel of their portfolio

>>65990852
if this ends up being real >>65784750 there's going to be someone better than her at shooters in the agency, and if she's getting paid to be the star attraction while not having the skill for it I don't think her ego can handle it

>>65991035
the problem is that she's not good at apex, at least at the moment
if she wants to grind it and get good again it might work out, but if she maintains her current skill level and she doesn't have the benefit of name recognition from a big agency then she's just going to wind up being a token egirl hanger-on

>>66000563
According to her she carved it with a scalpel.

>>65999570
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1743092433901199722

>>66000563
She said used a scalpel on wooden, might be balsa wood

>>66000618
It really feels like this is it. She's been so active on here now. Maybe the emotes are fund raising for a new live2D?

>>65999699
>>66000546

Management got a ton of shit for not disclosing why Yugo was let go. And there were a lot of reasons why Yugo was let go.
Zaion was genuinely an attempt to try to do better at being open about why a talent was let go.

I don't know if it's a good thing or not, what I do know is that people who tried to maintain friendships with zaion post termination got doxed later on and that nobody who has graduated from Niji follows Sayu. I know that even comments in dramafag channels started to comment things like "if everyone has a problem with you, maybe you yourself are the problem".
I still stand by the fact that if people genuinely cared about sayu/zaion, she wouldn't be streaming to the audience she is today.
Dramafags used her for free content and she ended up worse for the wear because of it.

>>66000758
None of what you said takes away from how shitty the termination notice was.

>>66000758
>Zaion was genuinely an attempt to try to do better at being open about why a talent was let go
草草草
By making a ton of shit up against her? Minor stuff that other organs already did in the past? The cognitive disonance is alway amazin with you faggots

>>65998705
>>66000758
Your mistake, and nijisanji's management mistake, is thinking that people need to personally care about someone to feel outraged that they are getting dicked over, like this is China and you can run your car over someone several times and nobody would care because it's not their problem.
Well, sadly, this isn't China and the rest of the world doesn't pretend to be blind deaf-mutes when nijisanji fucks their livers over just because it doesn't personally affect them

>>65996835
>>65996835
falseEyed being a containment breaker doesn't help, or whoever send info from here to him. a lot of the things he "leaked" came from here. And then there's holofags and dramafags all over youtube and twitter spreading narratives. So yes, you guys won that war, not enough to fuck anycolor as a company, their main market is in japan after all, but to make their reputation suffer in the west and nijien stagnate and decline in popularity after also losing chink viewers

>>66001257
he literally just looks at catalog threads, no one is leaking him shit.

>>66001008
>>66001155
>>66001160
It went over the shit she got terminated for and people were genuinely like
>Welp that sucks
And then her document came out that said
>Okay I did do that but it wasn't that bad

It wasn't like it was out of the blue, it was a running meme to see which vod that week got privated and again it seems like she was told more than once and given several warnings about what would happen. Which funnily enough she mentions in the doc that she was warned by management but didn't care.

>>66001374
>people were genuinely like
>Welp that sucks
no, people immediately said wtf kind of termination notice is this

>>66000618
that suspension must be boring
at least she seems happy now

Anyone else just not reading these posts?

>>66001257
Remember, false was on nijisanji's side before you retards decided to replicate pearl harbor

>>66001730
No, he wasn't. Even before the stuff he literally made a video about vox being doxxed when he invented a excuse to not give attention to the matter

>>66001473
Man looking at the comments the day the termination was released people were clowning on her because shortly before the termination notice the rape tweet blew up.
Literally one of the most popular comments was
>Rip Bozo
People weren't exactly sympathetic until the doc released and then people found her case easier to sympathize with.
And some of the doc is easy to feel for. But it also leaves out crucial details which calls into question some of its legitimacy when only one side says shit and then that same side purposely leaves out anything that might be questionable

>>66001961
I gurantee you the reason why the backlash was so severe after zaion said her bit is because the initial reaction made nijifags look like a bunch of heartless corporate bootlickers

>>66001902
>>66001730
False was literally never on anyone's side. He's a guy who profits off of stirring the pot and causing drama so he can report on it. People call him the keemstar of vtubing but I'd more compare him to Geraldo Rivera.
But I'd also like to point out that the entire video that got him the strikes was the video that was broadcasting that vox had been doxed and all of his information was now publicly available if you went looking for it.

Which honestly speaking was pretty shitty. I don't like vox but publicizing a video to draw attention to the fact that his information is out there is just barely different from putting the information behind a paywall like a certain other dramafag did

Has Zentreya always followed Doki, or is this a recent development?

>>66001961
Again, none of what you posted detracts from how laughably bad that notice was. Type longer posts, I'm sure that'll help.

>>66002403
Two days ago.
Zentreya follows a ton of accounts.

>>66002403
Recent. I assume happened after she wasn't able to make it to the planned collab.

>>66002095
>look like
more like exposed them as

>>66002095
It kinda did but it was also in part that the document was released at the perfect time. It was released right as dramafags were recovering and out for blood since the company had almost taken them out.
>>66002468
What exactly was bad about it? Do educate me anon

>>66002403
She's not gonna join vshojo retard

>>66002388
>He's a guy who profits off of stirring the pot and causing drama so he can report on it.
Pot stir doko?

>>66002535
>What exactly was bad about it? Do educate me anon
It's bad opsec, please don't go full retard

>>66002403
>>66002473
>>66002477
Doki in vshojo may be real

>>66002548
hehehehe

>>66000758
>what I do know is that people who tried to maintain friendships with zaion post termination got doxed
When did Yunii get doxxed? when did Rie? or Shiina or Yuko or anyone else who's collabed with her? just like your fucking beloved managers your still making up lies about her.

>>66002691
I wasn't referring to people who collabed with her once or twice anon. I'm referring to the NijiEn member who still attempted to be friends with her behind the scenes but when they had a falling out, magically got all of her information published online

what did she mean by this?

>>66002626
>it's bad opsec
How.

>>66002473
Nah. 1,700 isn't that many. When people say someone's following a lot of Twitter accounts they mean something like John Cena and his following 700k people. I've been on Twitter for ages and have racked up 800 people on my follow list and that's with me being a fucking nobody, not a big name who has a lot of people I'd need to keep in contact with.
>>66002548
I say it's the most likely place if she does wind up leaving. She's a big deal, and VShojo will likely go out of their way to get her. People always talk up VSPO, but unless they decide to give her an extremely favorable contract allowing her to maintain ownership over her IP and other shit JP corpos never do then it's not an attractive prospect.

>>66002617
Dude literally read a /#/s meme and reported it as a fact causing a massive reaction. He's done that more than once too. I'd call that potstirring

>>65981973
Try not to lawyer up until you have attempted all avenues next time.

>>66002827
I politely asked you not to go full retard and here you are. Next time do better.

>>66002810
if it wasnt clear this thread has most of it being composed by numberfags..

>>66002535
90% of the list was inconsequential bullshit that was only included to pad out the list, and it gets even worse when you realise the "discrimination" was her rejecting zaionist as a fan name and the "sexual assault" was her commenting on a game where the protag has to run and hide from a rapist. And that's without talking about how it confirms the existence of stealth suspensions which haunts every single niji liver to this day

>>66002617
2%, number graphics, vox doxx a lot of things he either picked from here or someone who is /here/ gave to him

>>66002793
>magically got all of her information published online
Everyone already figured out who did the doxx and it wasn't her. No I won't do your research for you, go search the archives.

>>66002936
Okay so lemme get this right.
The doc was bad because it listed everything she did and she even admitted to doing those things but it was somehow bad for opsec....because it just was....

You're right about one of us being retarded but you might wanna look in the mirror to discover which one

>>66002930
Just because it's a "/#/s meme" doesn't mean it isn't true

>>66003010
No point in engaging, it's just a griefer farming (You)'s

>>66003018
>2%
Mysta said that, and it's true
>number graphics
Also true
>vox doxx
Also true
Stating the truth isn't pot stiring. Cope and seethe

I think Dokibird should apply to hololive

>>65989061
Hospitalised from work related stress. It's honestly going to work out better for her.

>>66002885
I've followed Zentreya for years, I also am a vtuber aficionado, and when I click on 2views I'm interested in I often find Zentreya following them. I started this post off thinking it means nothing, but maybe I had the wrong idea, maybe Dokibird is an up and coming vtuber.

>>66003010
Also let's not forget that "sexual assault" role play is something hex and vox do as their bread and butter content, but appearently when they do it it's perfectly fine

>>66003197
Same. She’s cute enough and she deserves the money that comes with it.

>>66003197
Lmao!

>>66003244
No, go back to your 2views and leave Doki alone. There's nothing for you here.

>>66003197
no. she is homo enabler

>>66002548
Probably not, I think she'd do just fine continuing on as an indie, but if she was interested in joining a corpo then realistically Vshojo is the only one big enough and with enough resources to offer a streamer of her size anything worthwhile

>>65996191
I was watching notDoki from day one you shitskinned faggot, and now that she's active AS Doki I am here to talk about her because I am STILL a fan regardless of what she looks like or what name she goes by. Now go seethe in the Niji general where you clearly fucking belong.

>>65995995
Out of sight, out of mind. All the blind Niji drones just have to think its any other chuuba.

>>66002388
>The famous all out war leak happens
>The retarded bunnyman, the rev and herohei (dramatubers) say that it was extremely childish
>Meanwhile false: ''NAH!!!! COME ON IT WASN'T THAT BAD!!! HERE ARE SOME OLD HOLOYABS TO DISTRACT YOU THO!!!!
>FFW
>The collab ban between HoloEN and NijiEN comes to light again thanks to kiara saying it might be impossible for her and pomu to ever collab
>Every dramatuber thought it was undortunate
>False: ''HERE'S SOME DELETED REDDIT MESSAGES FROM THIS POST SO THAT MEANS HOLOLIVE IS BANNING THE COLLAB 100% FRFR NO CAP, THIS IS HARD PROOF!!!''
There are more examples such as him making fun on HoloX and calling Lui and Koyori a rip off with clear spite in his voice

>>66002548
I hope she applies for VAilure

>>65996230
Thats a side gig, its not the same.
Imagine dropping everything for that side gig, you wouldn't do it unless there was something really wrong with your primary income.

>>66003180
I didn't say anything about being true or not, retard. I said he picked all of this from here

>>65996152
Gura admited that there are many covers that will never come to light thanks to omega, they are all finished already.

>>66003080
I know it's difficult for someone like you to see why the notice is bad opsec. That's okay, your skinwalker behavior is beneficial for the rest of us. Please, go back to watching some livers.

>>66003625
Yeah I remember when gura released a Christmas cover only for it to get pulled off by management
Oh wait

>>66003488
Sounds like he is a cunt.

>>66003854
Maybe if you didn't pearl harbor him he would still be on your side

>>66003488
>The retarded bunnyman, the rev and herohei (dramatubers) say that it was extremely childish
Anon you're saying you're taking their side by framing it this way. The all out war shit was the dumbest ass shit that Holofags have tried to make a big deal since it happened. Stop fucking crying bitch.

And before the accusations of being a Nijifag come in I'm a VShojo watcher and think anyone complaining about all out war is a fucking idiot.

>>66003625

Reminder this a thread about Dokibird and not whatever you retards are talking about.

>>66003890
he was never on anyone side, you have to be retard to think so. it made him hate it ofc, but before he was still all the time putting off drama, not much different than now

>>66003010
>Using a copyrighted song
Yep. She did that
>Revealing internal information
Funnily enough she leaves that part out of her doc but doesn't deny that she did it in her doc
>Making statements with an alt during suspension
She also leaves that part out of her doc but doesn't deny it either
>Giving false information to other nijisanji members
She also leaves that part out of her doc but other members have backed that up
>Lying to company about infringed rules
She also doesn't comment or deny that
>The rape joke
Admittedly not that bad
>Expressing the desire to play pirated games
She literally did that during debut on a FFXIV stream that got privated
>Saying that she got permission to do something when she didn't
She literally did do that on the same FFXIV stream where she was playing with an account she'd used privately and said she'd received permission to do it.
>Falsely claiming to be sponsored
Not only did she do this more than once but she had an entire asset for it and literally we just saw a take down of someone in the US who should have theoretically had a lot more leeway with copyright laws but lost anyways. In Japan that shit gets you heavily fined because there are no parody laws which is why you have WcDonald's and 8/11
>Giving likes to antis
She literally was giving hearts on YouTube and likes on Twitter using her sayu account to comments that were shitting on anycolor
>Shitting on games
The problem is that when you shit on games you can get sued in Japan for doing so or cost permissions from that entire company. Even if the game is shit. Japan is fuckin brutal with their bullshit

So what exactly is bullshit here? The rape joke? Sure. I'll agree with that but that still leaves like 7 different verifiable instances of her breaking the rules and the fact that she doesn't ever deny that she did any of it speaks volumes.

>>66003910
>All out war

>>66001257
He's terminally online why do you think there's an extra step?

>>66003977
>>>/vt/sayu/
Oh wait, you can't, because you couldn't keep it alive, so you colonized another NijiEN PL thread.

>>66003910
>Dumbest shit ever
>They are clearly laughing at Council while mysterio has a menhera attack and thinking they are the hottest of shit.
You try way too hard sis.

>>66003854
Oh he was, he was praising everyone but Hololive, he took every chance to jab at them without provocation, he of course came to realize while Nijisanji tried to nuke him, Cover never even touched his channel with the amount of shit he was trying to pull out of his ass so he used all that energy to take jabs at Niji which was extremely easy because their livers are just shit people overall.

>>66003910
All out war always gets a reaction from the pomudachis. Shitposters know it takes her words out of context. It's a private spur of the moment quip, an observation, but.. She is on the side that started talking shit about Holo. Guilty by association in context.

>>66003010
and also how many things other Nijis have done and not had it brought up at all. If Mane-chan likes you it basically doesn't matter how you act, if they don't then you can look forward to a similar grudge list.

>>66003964
Yes, until you woke him up and filled him with a terrible resolve. Nijiseethe

>>66004396
lol is that what they think? I think it just makes Holofags seem fucking pathetic to still be whining over a single sentence 2 years ago. It's unhinged baby bitch shit.

>>66003890
I'm sorry I didnt know he was an 83 year old fossil.

so another one week suspension?

>>66003180
Mysta said 1%, /#/s said 2% to shit on him and no. It's not true.
If you look at the financial reports from anycolor you'll see that the percentage of profit they make off the merchandise is very close to cover's. We also know that multiple chuubas in hololive have talked about how good merch is to support them(up until they went public at which point voice packs became more viable, which is also what anycolor reports). We also know that kuro made over 1 million USD in anycolor because he's nearly half a million in debt due to taxes.
If you look at his superchats he made less than 700k through SC before the cuts, he made less than that in streamlabs and not only did he not participate in a ton of sponsorships but he didn't participate in every voice pack either and most voice packs sell for under $10 meaning he'd have to sell tens of thousands of voice packs per month to get that with only a 2% merch cuts.

>>66004710
i would rather believe mysta than random 4channer

>>66003977
The bullshit is
>Using a copyrighted song
Luca did that, but he's still at the company
>Making statements with an alt during suspension
Selen is doing that right now, oh no
>Expressing the desire to play pirated games
Finana did that, and she's still there
>Falsely claiming to be sponsored
See pic related
>Giving likes to antis
after she got suspended and was about to be fired. Oh and also Kyo did that and is still there
>Shitting on games
So did rosemi, and oh wait she's still there

The reason why they are bullshit is because if any of them were genuinely firable offenses and not something nijisanni trotted out to pad their list, half of nijien would've been fired. The fact that they are still there and in some cases are still doing those things on the list, cough hex cough, shows that most of the list is inconsequential bullshit

>>66004710
He's like 300k in debt, not half a million. And multiple livers have emphasized the best way to support them is voice packs, not merch. They can, and almost certainly do with the information we have, give a bigger cut for voice packs than they do standard merch.

>>66004680
You really think black and white in a board like 4chan?

>>66004710
>It's not true.
Mysta said its true and is backed up by Kuzuha so suck it nijicuck

>>66003488
Sure but that doesn't remove what I said at all. He shits on anyone who brings him profit. At the point when he was shitting on hololive it was because hololive fans would give the videos views due to the clickbait thumbnails, titles and content.
Then when his videos about anycolor being bad started blowing up he'd literally go through /#/s and the catalog and claim it to be fact.
Only difference is that since hololive was already established in the west fairly well, his videos were published as "fact"

>>66005064
Nice shitting on hololive/nijisanji there

>>66005064
The both of you are on the same side but arguing, how cute.

>>66005179
Why do you think we call them nijiniggers

>>66004854
Luca did that but had to private the video. Just like zaion did.
Selen may be suspended, she may not be. We'll have to wait and see.
Finana did not do that. She partially mentioned the site of a hentai piracy site on a membership collab and the video was immediately taken down and spent a week in editing before it went back up. She also only did it once.
Again, we literally just saw Mr Beast lose his case to the same company zaion was claiming to be sponsored by
Kyo liked a tweet about a rape victim in a like a league of legends group or some shit. There was plausible deniability that the tweet had anything to do with Zaion. When you like comments saying
>Anycolor is such a shit company and Kyo sucks btw
You don't have that plausible deniability because it's pretty obvious what the comments about
>w-well she was gonna be fired anyway...
She did that like a week and a half before the announcement was released and that was on a public account that people knew about. It's possible that she has more than one account. You also ignored like half the other offenses

I'm going to bed and won't bake until I get up. Someone else can if they want to, I posted plenty of good OP images, but who even wants more of this?

>>66005451
>the video
>the
Luca did it for every stream he did for three and a half months because he used a youtube playlist as his bgm, and theres no three month gap in his archives

>>66005674
Don't worry I'll make it for you

>>66004920
300k+ Pounds. Thats nearly 400k USD and counting.
Yes, voice packs give more, at least for most merch. Just like in hololive. I won't deny that. I'd say that they get pretty close to the same cut as hololive does judging by the financial reports
>>66005022
Kuzuhas tweet was from over half a decade ago and was when the company was first starting out.
>>66004846
Mysta also thought that savings accounts were scams and is the only corporate chuuba to have ever ended up in debt pre graduation because he refused to get a company recommended accountant until he was already in debt.

>>66005451
Beast was actually selling a product named after Dee's nuts though, I doubt they'd ever care about a talking anime png making a dumb joke stream.

>>66005769
>Kuzuhas tweet was from over half a decade ago and was when the company was first starting out
And Mysta confirmed it half a decade later

>>66005698
Actually a lot of those videos where he used it ended up privated. >>23347770 has a list of videos where he used the bgm, all but the first are privated and the first has had its description edited to give credit to towa. Not sure why it's up and the rest aren't.

>>66005674
I think you should let this thread go. It's just attracting shitposters and antis from other threads.

>>66005769
Why are you trying so hard to invalidate the information that was given to us by source more trust worthy than you? Are you perhaps biased??

>>66006122
Sounds like my kind of party

>>66005791
Keep in mind though that we're talking Japan and Japanese laws.
There are no parody laws in Japan and even mentioning a brand by name that you don't have the rights to can be considered "offensive" or "defaming"
>Macrosoft Windings
>Dk Pepper
>9-up
Etc etc. same reason you cant show brand names on stream, same reason scarle almost cost the who branch handcam perms by showing names of candy on stream. Brand names you're not officially sponsored by or belong to can be used to sue the company

this thread is just # 2.0, not a doki thread.

>>66006146
No, I'm just not retarded enough to believe a guy who managed to land himself in debt despite being one of the most popular vtubers ever.
A guy who believes savings accounts are scams and a guy who was known for poverty baiting which is how the joke of niji only paying 2% got started from /#/s.

Can't wait for the stream!

>>66006409
If its numbers 2.0 then where are the numbers?

>>66006994
But you are retarded enough to believe a company over their talents

>>66006994
and im not retarded enough to believe you than over the livers

>>65979963
According to Riku, they are the ones who enabled her to make them money, so she should be grateful.

>>65995981
being mentally abused and publicly humiliated by powertripping and anti-work managers stops being worth it after a breaking point and evidently she got the breaking point and it got used as the excuse to fire her

overachieving is punished when the workforce is actively self sabotaging to lower expectations

casual streamers who just play games and talk but don't do anything else thrive in nijien but anyone trying to do anything more is clearly being abused or are in constant fights with the managers

the English branch of the management is a very shitty American corporation with anti-work groups, middlemanagers on powertrips, and pretty office drama targeting the most enviable talents...

the early days feel like a whole different world

>>66007124
>>66007191
I'm willing to believe in actual data.
Data provided by the company on the profits they make off of merch which are comparable to Hololives statements and the fact that a guy who never made that much money off of superchats or streamlabs would have had to have sold over 200k voice packs in a year to end up with at least 380k usd worth of debt.
I'll also point out that mysta said the statement was a joke and he didn't actually know how much he made off of merch. Other livers have said it's less than superchats but nobody else has ever commented about how much it is because that information is NDA protected
>BUT KUZUHA-
tweeted that in the very first year nijisanji existed. Chances are back then he didn't make anything off of merch. About half the people who joined in that year and the year after ended up graduating by 2020 or prior to. A lot of them didn't even last a year.
I'd put money on the company not making a ton of profit back then

>>66004854
Based

>>66007468
I'll check back in 2 weeks and if she's gone then I'll say that but right now I don't think she has plans on leaving. Just plans to do a lot less

>>65979963
nobody is a main character, just another supa and merch sale farmer
her income is not much compared to the entire branch
Nijisanji is not trying to compete, they are just running a farm

>>66007021
numbers 2.0 because its just a niji anti thread

>>65993895
Funnily enough, I watched Selen's content when she started playing the Ass Creed games, so Apex who?

>>66007790
I picked up selen when she played peppa pig 1. Algo gave me a clip of it.

>>65998705
Oh yeah, Pomu and Mysta were really having a good chuckle about the secret gc stream.

>>66007773
>only numbers hates niji
Do nijikeks really?

>>66008805
The livers themselves may not have found it amusing but the main thread and twitter both thought it was pretty funny originally.
The livers themselves used it as a stress venting thing