/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

yes

>>65547437
No. Whatever she cooks is not food.

>>65547437
that depends
what did she do that would need forgiveness?
and what has she done to warrant said forgiveness?

>>65547437
please someone buy her a rice cooker

>>65547437
she's just another Towa/La+ as far as I'm concerned
just a chuuba who exists to make my dick hard

It's not an issue of "forgiving" since I'm not a schizo. I just stopped watching her (and Regloss, since she was the only one I cared about).
Life goes on.

>>65547670
with the exeption that she showed her true color before getting big, she messed up really bad, raden and hajime will take the top spots in no time

>>65547748
>exeption

>>65547437
I haven't watched her since the thing, why would I?

>>65547437
nope.

>>65547553
>what did she do that would need forgiveness?
she’s gfe, decided to whore herself on vcr gta, told her unicorns that it’s okay because she will always come back to them and that makes their relationship special, said she’ll do asmr to get them back

>>65547437
No. I thought she was the one. The gyaru that proved they could be trusted. I was thinking with my dick.

>>65550014
You never watched her.

>>65547437
turns out Cover just seems to hire vshojo or niji rejects now, and ReGloss is no different

>>65547437
Never watched her or Regloss, forgive what?

>>65547437
Eh, she's got another male collab coming up, I don't really care anymore.
I wish her all the best but not renewing my membership.

>>65556126
I don't know why you are so retarded when on day one they made it clear they will interact with homos.

>>65556334
Does that include calling your unicorns weak? also saying they are losers that will come back after asmr?

>>65556517
You are the cuck expert here, you tell me.

She didn’t need it because any unicorns jumping on regloss has only themselves to blame when others said to have caution.

>>65547437
Why would you ever trust members of ReGLOSS(ed with cum)

>>65556126
but she just did an asmr for you! you aren't all healed now? was it good?

>>65550330
Didn't she join another male collab after the GTA thing?

>>65556334
Do your PL reps

>>65547437
Fuck this bitch. She can burn in hell with her fake ass genki persona. Cunt.

>>65547437
She didn’t do anything wrong.

>>65547437
I'm not a unicorn and don't care about male collabs (if that's what the issue is from reading the thread), but I don't watch her, so I have nothing to forgive, since I didn't care about anything she did previously either.

>>65556645
No. There are chubas that do males collabs but respect their audiences
She is trash

>>65564891

If holodrones forgive Takane Lui calling them ATM machines, then I'm sure they can forgive her too.

>>65550330
She gave the unicorns too much credit. Simply skipping content you don't wanna see and coming back for the content you like is what normal viewers do. Unicorns are unable to do that because REEE NTR NTR KEKED KEKED REEE

I still consider Ririka my wife

>>65547437
does a hymen also grow back with it?
seriously, what the fuck was that twisted mindset if "oh they'll come back anyway if you do something for them"

>>65566857
it probably would have worked for some of she hadn't announced that was what she was going to do. even as someone who didn't gachi her it made me wary

>>65550330
Wait, where's the asmr though?

>>65547437
here's her asmr if you want to forgive her
https://gofile.io/d/0zOd9T

>>65561844
>>65568297
There was no ASMR

>>65547437
You unicorns keep talking about "forgiveness" and "betrayal" as if you weren't talking about someone playing a video game online with people of both sexes.

>>65565963
Unicorns take their relationship with their oshi seriously, in that case
Nobody wants to be a gachikoi to a woman who is closer to other men than her fans

>>65573445
I don't say this to make fun of you or insult you, but you may need professional help.

Suisei is much worse

>>65573445
Wishing loneliness on your oshi doesn't seem very nice

>shitposters and/or nijisis deflection thread, yet again bumped up from page 10

>65550330
>decided to whore herself on vcr gta
That's festival.
>told her unicorns that it’s okay because she will always come back to them and that makes their relationship special
Not what she said.

>>65565963
She even defined what a unicorn is from her point of view before all of this went down, and some of them more extreme than her definition apparently still thought she was promising to meet their definitions instead and got mad at her for not living up to a promise she never made.

>65566857
Not what she said either.

>65569863
And you're just factually incorrect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWb7FII4Drk

>65573445
>Nobody wants to be a gachikoi to a woman who is closer to other men than her fans
Have you watched a Ririka stream ever? In no way has she acted closer to a male streamer or vtuber than she has to her fans. At most, she laughed at or made a joke with them. Compare that to how she behaves with her fans, where even if you set aside the member's only content like the asmr where she daisuki'd members in both ears, she's literally taking notes on her fans explaining Nasuverse lore to her, constantly seeking their praise and affirmation, offering herself up as the boke to be tsukkomi'd by them on every lunch stream, freely talking about what things she's into with them, retweeting fanart of herself in lingerie to them and using it as thumbnails for them, etc. If you seriously think her affection is more towards some random streamer than her fans, that's not a her problem, that's a you problem.

>>65547437
The real problem was that her and her manager fell for the "people only dislike male collabs because they're in love with their oshi." If that was actually true, then Hololive would do way more male collabs than it does know. The problem with her doing VCR is that it creates a huge gab if someone wants to skip it. It's hard to get really invested in someone when it feel like theirs a big hole. For me, the Pizza gang stuff filled the hole a little and Aruran was like the least bad person in that server. Then she had to do a stupid werewolf thing with some Holostars. I'll let matpat explain why that's bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXR9D9ZXllg&t=969s..

>>65565290
Not now holoxschizo, this is a regloss thread. You keep repeating this in 6 threads, its losing power.

Do any of you unicorns have the self-awareness to realize how fucking insane and mentally ill you are?

yass sisters yass
I'm sure you're going to watch her streams and donate right? you aren't just trying to attack people who actually watched her with no intention of backing it up with actual watch time or financial support right? that would be anti behavior.

>65577838
Oh yeah, just look at her revenue, she's crashing so hard. I mean in the last week she's getting less superchats than Marine and Ayame, and more than literally anyone else, including most of the staunchest unicorn bastions. Two more weeks and Ririka will be gone, I'm sure of it.

>>65547437
Eh, I still maintain she won't ever do a deliberate collab with a guy. VCR GTA arc is over

>>65578808
What the actual fuck, the Ayame grift is fuckin' ludicrous.

>>65550330
Great. Has she done the ASMR?

>>65582098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWb7FII4Drk

>>65582193
Even greater

Ririka sexo

>>65574926
>She even defined what a unicorn is from her point of view before all of this went down
That wasn't a definition that anyone in Japan or the West uses. That's just the kind of gachikoi who tolerates/accepts male collabs, which are a thing.

>>65574926
Why does she need to collab with males, then?

I love my ntr wife so much.

>65584307
I'm sure it makes sense that you, a random person on a taiwanese aquarium forum, are more trustworthy on Japanese nerd terminology than an actual Japanese nerd. And even If we accepted for the sake of argument that Ririka was the only person in all of the world that uses that definition of unicorn, why would you expect her to use a different definition than the definition she actually gave?Even if she's wrong, she'd probably still be consistent, and in fact if you look at her behavior she has been consistent on where she puts the line.

>>65584416
If you accept her premise as a given (and presumably she accepts her own premise), that there is some level of interaction with males that is fine even if you cater primarily to unicorn/gachikoi/whatever term you prefer, then there are advantages. With VCR, she got to break the ice on stream with some of her senpai, like Mel, Aki, Towa, and La+, while also getting an in with some potential other girls to collab with (Aria, Hinano, Kotone, Sara, and so on). And for the werewolf collab, it's the same but with literal daisenpai Sora, as well as Bae and Iofi, plus apparently not even her own manager but like some of the upper Cover management thought she is good at Werewolf and were asking her to participate. You can of course make the argument that some Niji or even smaller corpo collabs aren't worth the risk, but it's not hard to see why she might try, given that until she started doing things /here/ hates, her sub growth was slow verging on stagnant.

>>65569863
Then no

>>65585702
so her growth has increased then? you subbed, watch streams and donate right?

>>65574926
Imagine believing everything she does on stream after showing her real thoughts to her fans two weeks ago. No, don't tell me it was a joke. There are three kinds of people who tell the truth, kids, the drunk, and the angry.
Everyone knows who gets the last laugh.

>>65547437

It's become clear that it's entirely unicorns fault for the increase in male collabs on the JP side.

>>65556334
Anons thought because they weren't constantly replying to homos on twitter and talking about them in streams it meant they were ignoring them when in fact that's normal. They think homocollabers are constantly thinking about Holostar dick or something.

>>65547437
Nope, and I never will.

I love her

>>65547437
No, but I don't care. I already accept that she is like that and I don't hate her.

>>65565963
having standards is not bad

>65586978
The answer to all 4 is yes, in fact..Over the past week, third fastest sub growth in Hololive, and third highest SC revenue too. And yes, I personally have subbed, membered even, watched streams, and superchatted. (I don't know why you keep saying donated, seems a little...twitch-y, shall we say.)

>65587629
>Imagine believing weeks and hours of evidence instead of three seconds while drunk
Well it's clearly pointless trying to present evidence to you then, so I'm not going to bother.

Ririka...

>>65561844
Ririka's members only ASMR was basically her telling you "I love you" and breathing into your ear for an hour or so.
>>65586978
Her viewership for her main program (lunch stream) basically halved. Her fate streams have always had low viewership.

>>65591710
her new cover...

>>65591476
Her drunk stream is enough evidence. You just midlessly believe all her acting over the last few weeks.

>>65547437
Just spam threads about her in the catalog like "Look at my cute gyaru wife"

>>65592288
>gyaru

>>65591476
LMAO these losers got awfully quiet after you presented evidence

>>65593480
why is he only counting the last week?

>>65593134
Fine, ex-gyaru

>>65591476
>Kiara made over 2m yen in the past 7 days
>Not even listed on as a top revenue maker
This website is dogshit

Cute girls are always forgiven.

>>65547437
Didn't have too, she joined the best wholesome group in VCR, took a hit with her kayfabe but its vtubing. Unicorns are always dumb since it's a fantasy not a reality. How deep you fall into it is your own choice along with how real you want to understand it. I'm a fan of all vtubing types of girls, the complainers are just tards that don't eatch the entire thing most of the time.

>>65591710
>Ririka's members only ASMR was basically her telling you "I love you" and breathing into your ear for an hour or so
thats perfect i forgive her i feel my horn growing back already

Her ASMR was so good. Did she do that sort of stuff pre holo? Her audio was so nice and quiet. I hope she does a lot more it was really nice for a hangover.

Why are catalog shitposters still trying to milk this situation? They got ignored in /#/ or something?

Who keeps bumping this week-old thread? Somebody's bot?

>>65547437
nah

>>65591710
>Ririka's members only ASMR was basically her telling you "I love you" and breathing into your ear for an hour or so.
Technically speaking, she only loves the fans who were willing to put up with her male collabing, especially if it was member's only.
It doesn't really mean much if looked at through that lens.
If she's unable to acknowledge that what she did to her Unicorns was something worthwhile apologizing for, it's hard to take that love seriously (unless you're completely fine with male interaction, I guess?)

>65600930
You're almost there anon. It's not a black and white question of completely fine with male interaction yes/no. It's how their oshi interacts with males, compared to how they interact with their fans. It's really not that complicated a judgment to make. It's in fact a judgment that people make about real world girlfriends all the time, just extended to GFE vtubers instead.

>>65601479
Dunno, anon. If she had made explicit promises to avoid male contact and then changes those lines on a whim, it's extremely concerning. Stating in advance that she can fix the Unicorns by doing ASMR instead of just not doing the collabs and then scheduling another male collab afterwards seems extremely in bad taste
If I was being crude I'd say this: it's fine, she's just changing the line about how she's interacting with men on a whim, no big deal. Don't worry about those other guys.
Then again, I don't know if Ririka is just GFE or if she actually views herself as being in a committed relationship with her fans, so it's harder for me to judge.

>>65565963
So you're telling me... unicorns have more respect for their wallets than you? idk if it's a good comparison man.

>>65573870
>>65574468
NTA but >>65573445 doesn't mean they want their oshi to die alone, just to keep that shit off-stream, you stream for unicorns like what? 2-3 hours a day for 4-6 days? you make more than an american doctor and can do whatever shit you want with the money just like some other holomems do it, it's that fucking easy, you don't do it? cool, money is going elsewhere an don't even pretend to be shocked with your smaller paycheck.

>>65569863
Yes there was. Only, it was members only. Not sure if that's the most effective way to bring back unicorns who may have cancelled their membership when she announced she'd be on that server.

>>65547748
>hajime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DThlbFIDOg

>>65547437
Nah. She was cute before, but as soon as she chose to collab with males she lost her value.

>>65547437
NEVER.

>>65602510
>Dunno, anon. If she had made explicit promises to avoid male contact and then changes those lines on a whim, it's extremely concerning.
This is the misconception I most wish it were possible to correct, but there are too many schizos and/or shitposters that even people that aren't schizos or shitposters make this mistake constantly. She actually did completely the opposite, on both counts. She explicitly said that she would occasionally do male contact, citing cases like if she thought it was important for professional reasons (her example then was garibenger v, since this was the member's only stream just after that), and then she then just as explicitly said that she will never be attracted to those men, only to her fans. Then she proceeded to never budge over that line, as is obvious if you compare her behavior with the dudes on VCR to her behavior with her audience.

The problem is that she used the term unicorn and then gave examples to illustrate her definition of what a unicorn is, and people, including people in this very thread like >65584307, utterly refuse to believe that she has a valid definition of unicorn, and then are mad that she 'betrayed' their standards, when she laid out from the very beginning that her standards were different. If they just realized that their definition of the term was different than hers and left, that'd be perfectly understandable, respectable even. It's the ones that keep trying to push this betrayal angle based on a false premise that is so tiresome. The most generous interpretation is they heard a translated summary of a member's only stream they never saw in a language they don't speak, and came away with the impression that she promised to be unicorn-friendly without any of the nuance that she might be using a different definition. Unfortunately now, they're basically indistinguishable from the people just using her to shitpost, the people using her to deflect, and the schizos.

>>65585702
>unicorn/gachikoi/whatever term you prefer
They are not the same thing. You can't interchange or pick them arbitrarily like deranged commies pick up genders nowadays, retard.
What she's doing is incompatible with unicorns if we go by the strict definition of the word. She can still have gachikoi just like towa or fubuki but she's not unicorn friendly and if an unicorn stays with her despite the male collabs is because he's not an unicorn but a gachikoi.
I'd even say that within the vast spectrum of male collabs what she's doing is one of the worst. It's not like when pekora collabed with the hypno dude for a comical project. Ririka joined the circle of e-celeb sexpests and played with those people, she even has them on her discord, and she did so barely after joining hololive. She hanged out with a ton of random e-celebs on a server before even collabing with majority of holomem.
Even with towa you can cope and say she hangs out with those dudes because she's an fps tryhard (kinda true) but Ririka joined the server to meet more people (mostly males since holos can just hang out with any female no problem). From an unicorn point of view that's an statement that she'd rather play and get close with other males instead of spending time with them.
I don't hate her or anything but she indeed burned down bridges with that.

>>65603393
And behold, my point is proven in the post directly below mine.

>>65603393
>different definitions of Unicorn
The term has been so bastardized that nobody really knows what it means, but generally speaking avoiding male collabs is the most basic of definitions and the one that the majority of the /jp/ audience is going to adhere to. Case in point, why would Ririka mention that her actions would break the horns of her Unicorns if they were Unicorn friendly
The absolute dumbest definition I've ever seen for Unicorns are "people who harass streamers if they collab with men", with emphasis on the harassment, but those were Taiwan people and the Taiwan are almost critically retarded with regards to the Vtuber scene
>she then just as explicitly said that she will never be attracted to those men, only to her fans.
As someone with a menhera oshi, let me tell you that this part is always going to sound like cope. It's not a good indication of anything. When I do a litmus test on my own oshi, the moment she starts using that excuse, it's a sign that her feelings for her fans is beginning to shrink.
I'll give you an example of something my oshi said when she was brimming with love for her fans, albeit paraphased a bit
"I won't do collabs with men because it would hurt my gachikoi and I don't want to hurt people who are in love with me". To me, that's the ultimate gold standard that a GFE Vtuber should aspire to. The moments lines start to move, they continue moving in a bad direction, at least from personal experience.

>>65603460
NTA but he's right. You can pretend that everyone has a super unique definition for what Unicorn means, or you can browse shitholes like 5ch who meme about Unicorns constantly and figure out exactly what people mean by the term. I have never seen a case on 5ch in which people have implied that Unicorns will tolerate male collabs, unless it's specifically to shitpost about individual fans or if the poster is trying to suggest that the Vtuber keeps doing male collabs.

>>65550330
The true Japanese ho experience, if she also started telling people to superchat her after then she's total accuracy.

>>65603606
>The absolute dumbest definition I've ever seen for Unicorns are "people who harass streamers if they collab with men"
What's even funnier is that unicorns' reaction over male collabs of male yabs is to doompost, delete accounts and disappear. 99% of people harassing are just vtuber antis, that specific vtuber antis or nijifujos.
>"I won't do collabs with men because it would hurt my gachikoi and I don't want to hurt people who are in love with me".
smells like marine. Is she holo JP at least?

>>65603393
>she will never be attracted to those men, only to her fans
lmaooooo dyrbi

>>65603950
she's being harassed?

>>65603950
>smells like marine. Is she holo JP at least?
Not Marine. She's a JP Indie.
Can be extremely fucking frustrating dealing with her at times, but that doesn't change the fact that when she's at her best, she's fantastic and has said very reassuring things before
She's also gone on record to say that her fans aren't "just" gachikoi, as in it's reciprocal

>>65603985
Not at all. She got some shitposts on her but nothing really remarkable. While she's in hololive production she's still in a small sidebranch and people always were wary it would end up being a branch for homo collabs.
>>65604104
That's nice. My oshi is kinda retarded and insecure but she's amazing and I love her to death. I wish you the best with yours.

>>65547437
no
she showed her true colors

>>65603606
>>65603682
But in this case, it's really easy to know exactly what she meant without trying to read the gestalt of your particular basket weaving forum of choice, because she had literally just got done explaining what she meant, and it wasn't the cited ultimate gold standard. If you expected her to then meet that ultimate gold standard after she explained she wasn't using it, that's not her betraying you. That's you getting betrayed by your own false expectations..
>Case in point, why would Ririka mention that her actions would break the horns of her Unicorns if they were Unicorn friendly
She literally never said that. When some of her chat reacted to her with comments about their horns breaking, she was trying to explain why she didn't think that what she was doing ought to break horns in the first place, from her perspective.

>>65603950
Yeah, basically any time someone posts catalogbait like this anymore it's a giant red flag. Any actual unicorns with principled differences in definitions moved on long ago. Now it's just schizo/anti/deflector behavior. But I repeat myself.

>>65604308
>I wish you the best with yours.
Same to you anon, and honestly I feel like I'll really need it. She's currently in a good phase now but there's one or two issues I'd really like her to address at some point

>>65593480
he responded like a coward instead of properly so they didn't know

>>65604385
Why is it so wrong for her to follow her true nature as a woman?

>>65604386
Look, at the end of the day, she's not Unicorn friendly and I'm pretty sure her PL didn't collab with men either, so it's a pretty big break away.
Rather than trying to keep her Unicorns around, she'd be better off just being frank and understanding that she can still attract some gachikoi but she'll never be seen as Unicorn friendly if she continues doing male collabs

>>65604460
an idol should fight against her base urges and win
otherwise she isnt an idol shes just a whore

Best NTR GFE chuuba.

>>65604514
Based Idolchad

>>65604532
nah man, that’s mikeneko

>>65604584
miguel is yandere menhera she is different

>>65604468
I think she's somewhat panicking since the main thing she has going for her was being a big SC magnet which is why she's going all in on love bombing her remaining members during her ASMR.
She's the second least popular in an already relatively unpopular branch and the main thing she has going for her is being the genki gyaru-ish character who is nice to otaku.

>65604421
If I cared about the replies of shitposters I would give the a (you).

>>65604468
Ironically, she essentially already did that. I can't recall her using the term unicorn at all since that stream announcing she'd be in VCR This is what I mean by these threads just being schizo/anti/deflector behavior. It's not even really about Ririka, they're just timelooping any past drama that still gets bumped to deflect from the latest nijiyab or whatever other reason I don't care to know, and unfortunately this topic still gets bumps.

>>65547437
Just listened to her ASMR, my horn has officially grown back
I love my loyal slut gyaru wife who fucks other men but only loves (me)

>65604873
you're just afraid of someone disagreeing with you

>>65603950
>doompost, delete accounts and disappear
exactly what I did but I also do shit on them here every chance I get

>>65605135
nta, i never got invested on her because she didn't catch my attention, i'm glad i didn't get hit by the:´´ yes i will be with other guys, but believe me i only love you.´´

>>65605260
I learned my lesson after 2 other girls.

>>65605135
Difference is that unicorns and gachis are more likely to shit on them on an anonymous board (4chan,5ch,2ch etc) while antis, trolls and false flaggers love doing it publicly. Every once in a while you'll get retards like Gabe and Demi though.
On the EN side it feels like false flagging has become infinitely easier with all these zoomers on the web who never experienced the troll era of the early internet.

>>65578808
B-But the sisters on the catalog told me that Ririka was finished and that she may as well graduate
This can't be....

>>65604584
That woman is borderline and needs to step away from the computer.

>>65547437
Who?

>>65605416
I think it's very mature to come here and call out people who betray you. You're just letting it out and at the same time you are warning other people so they don't get betrayed either, all of this while never directly hurting the person who hurt you.
Imagine your ex cheated on you and you get to know someone who's interested in her. A bro will give you a warning call.

>>65604873
>past drama
Her scheduling a new male collab is rather recent though
At the end of the day, whenever a Vtuber actively turns her/his back on a section of a fanbase, it's going to cause drama. It's going to cause lingering wounds and people will get upset. To suggest that anyone talking about it is just "using it to deflect from x yab" is entirely ignorant towards the feelings of people either directly involved with Ririka or those adjacent to her.

>>65606055
Stuff like the NYE program is decided/recorded weeks to months in advanced, they kept stressing that it was a pre-recorded thing as well so who knows maybe she agreed to it before she shot herself in the foot with her drunk stream.
She was the only one who didn't go on Aruran's open VC for his post-GTA stream iirc.

>>65550330
>>65550014
>>65547671
this was only an issue if you actually identify as a unicorn.

>>65606352
Out of curiosity, what % of a Holo's fanbase do you think are Unicorns or at the very least, Unicorn adjacent?

>>65547437
The reason people dislike male collabs and VCR has very little to do with being in love with their oshi. In fact it's all these people who are in love with their oshi who will watch whatever garbage they put out. I talked about it here >>65575462 that if you want to skip all the VCR stuff, it makes it feel like theirs a big hole. It really wound not be all that big of a problem she did occasionally and spaced out male collabs, but VCR is 1000 times worse than a Holostars collab. Luckily for her, she spend most of the time with Pizza gang, Pizza gang which is fine.

>>65606269
Also according to her, she was under pretty heavy management pressure to join for the NYE program. Not even like her own manager, or a hololive manager, but like cover managers. And besides, I wouldn't underestimate the social pressure that is "if even Tokino Sora is saying ok to this, could I really refuse?"

>>65605384
which girls?

>>65606609
What do you think about the rrats that Cover is putting pressure on the girls to open up and begin collabing with men?

>>65578808
>>65591476
/thread

>>65606609
Cover's direction for reGLOSS seemed like they really wanted to have them become collab partners for the Stars and other e-celebs considering that initial blitz of communication near their debut, even Stars members that disliked interacting with Hololive were suddenly proactive about it. After the debut didn't go as well as they planned, they appear to have a more hands off approach now.
As for the pressure, I'm reminded of Nene with her manager basically forcing her into HZNTL by repeatedly pushing her into meetings and telling her that being just an idol isn't good enough and that she needs to broaden her horizons.

>>65606960
I mean, other members in the past have talked about it, right? I think the most charitable interpretation would be that being strictly against male collabs isn't viewed as the default anymore, so unless a talent really puts their foot down and says no, managers will bring up the option. That plus the standard Japanese corporate culture power dynamics might lead to members feeling a lot of pressure for things they'd rather not do, potentially even if the it wasn't intended as pressure.

Sadly, I think the truth is almost certainly less rosy than that not-all-that-rosy-in-the-first-place picture, especially given stories like >>65607253.

>>65606960
they debuted shortly after hzntl. i'm guessing they were part of the same project. try to move into gaming and try to attract normies. expand the audience.

>>65607285
Cover has been trying to poach viewers from vspo lately. That's why they started their retarded holizontal bullshit. Problem is most of the core hololive fans don't like that.
And people tend to make it to be as if it's because holofans are gachikoi, which is not the case. Yes, a lot of fans are gachikoi but most of them are just regular people who like the holobox. Miko said once that hololive's feeling or main appeal is that it feels like a girls' only school and I couldn't agree more. There are fans who don't like male collabs because they are gachikoi and there are fans who don't like them because it ruins the appeal and uniqueness hololive provides. Then you have people who want to fucking mixer (and of course they don't watch the streams. They exist in japan too) and then current hololive's biggest enemy: the fps zoomers idol antis, which are the people who support laplus and her clique and want hololive to become a whore nest, gossip and of course not watch a single stream.

>>65608740
Cover is convinced that their existing fans are so loyal they can pivot and make content that "appeals to other audiences" (actual viewership suggests otherwise) without losing them

>>65609141
they might be right, but i won't stick around. i've already unsubbed from the worst offenders and will continue. i already don't have time to watch most streams. they're only making life easier for me with that issue. i have a backlog of anime i can go watch also.

>>65609141
The worst part is that in general it makes the whole company look bad. It's like when every yab happens the whole company's trustability goes down. When the girls are found out going out with males (like rushia, shion, laplus or most recently suisei) even if doesn't affect the other members directly the whole brand's value goes down. That's why for example most fans don't want their oshi to play fps even if it's not with males: those games reputation is tainted even within the company as like 90% of the male yabs in hololive are related to those games. This year Cover's trustability went down like never before.
Even if regloss is not the main branch the fact that Cover is pushing so hard this normalfaggification makes anyone way more cautious towards the company and I know nips aren't happy at all with how Cover has been handling things out recently.

>>65609141
Cover nowadays only cares about viewership numbers to attract sponsors

>>65609506
it's a typical corporate entertainment error
>make product that appeals to a niche market
>succeed because that market is well served
>use the money to pursue the mainstream market because it's larger
>lose both because normalfags hate anything unusual and their niche fans hate normalfags

>>65609506
Besides that they are being extremely predatory with their business decisions. For example they are now separating voice packs and selling them and paywalling content of holomems in the main channel and it's not even the base tier, you have to go for the middle tier minimum if you want the content. They are also doing so many "official" shilling and shit now a lot of times your oshi is just too busy to stream, which effectively affects you as a fan. I've seen some fans questioning this last issue, like "it's cool that there are official programs but I'd like to just spend time with my oshi alone".
I think Cover is tightening the rope too much, thing is nips are so passive I don't think they will do anything.

>>65609525
Look, I agree with you, but don't go around believing ever stupid rrat.

>>65609842
>ratt
what do you mean? I didn't say anything that wasn't already proven.

>>65608740
>>65609141
You two are exactly right, but there is one more thing about it. It's the unicorns fault for all these male collabs. The reason always given for why people don't like male collabs is because they're in love with their oshi and don't want to see them collab with males. The reality is that there are all these people who are in love with their oshi who will watch anything their oshi puts out. Whenever the Hololive girls and management look at their audience, they see all these people. Also, I bet some of the people who want male collab intentionally ask for it to decrease the amount other fans they have.
There's also the idea that you should always love and support your oshi. Real love and support means you'll want the best for them, which means you'll be the most critical of them. Some girls can't take any criticism, simps hate people who criticizes a girl, and management prefers these simps. If you've ever pushed the idea that you have to support everything a Hololive member does, then you caused the increase in male collabs.
The people who want all these male collabs are people who just like their oshi, but don't care about the other Hololive members. So, all the unicorns who pushed the idea that someone should only watch and care about one Hololive members or else they're a cheater, you hurt the HoloBox
Look at what happened in HoloEN, whenever people were accused of not liking male collabs because they were in love with their oshi, they accused said that that wasn't the reason and that the real reason was because they like CGDCT. The result, even the director of HoloEN said they know their fans like CGDCT. When it come to criticizing HoloEN members, then just look at the EN fanbases reaction to that weird letter thing, or just look at Calli or Gura, or peoples reaction to Tempus after Tempus 2. When it comes to the box, HoloEN always had the strongest box even from their very beginning, and it's pretty normal for EN fans to have multiple oshis.

>>65610066
>found out going out with males
Maybe you're ESL, but that means dating in English.

>>65610990
I don't think you know what the word Unicorn actually means. In fact, there are a few Unicorns (although rare) who aren't even gachikoi. I've dealt with them before and they're an odd bunch to talk to, but they still oppose male collabs
Also the idea of "only one oshi" is usually followed by fans who have an oshi that actually expresses those feelings. I'm actually unsure if any Holos actually say it anymore since I haven't watched Hololive in a while and I can sort of imagine that management isn't necessarily happy with it.

>>65611099
Well one things for sure, EN became more unicorn friendly and JP became less. I spelled out some of the reason I think it's the case, but I did have a hard time putting it into words.

>>65606464
>real, actual unicorns (care about roommate being in a relationship, even a past one)
single digits
>unicorn lite (can ignore roommates but are opposed to any collabs with male vtubers/ecelebs)
maybe 15% but varies within different fanbases, by far the lowest in ID
>unicorn adjacent (won't get actively upset about male collabs, but prefers all-girl content and will start to lose interest with frequent male collabs, would never use the label of unicorn)
at least a third

>>65611255
If anything, the issue is that speaking out is frowned upon in a culture like Japan, so Unicorns won't vocally call out the girls for doing male collabs.
I remember my own oshi has talked multiple times about how she appreciates how frank her overseas fans are because she at least knows what they like and dislike, whereas the JP fans barely voice their actual feelings (and tend to just disappear without a word if they dislike something)

>>65611026
Let's say it'd pretty hard to prove those girls aren't dating considering what's known.

>>65611260
>real, actual unicorns (care about roommate being in a relationship, even a past one)
50% (25% care if they're not a virgin)
>unicorn lite (can ignore roommates but are opposed to any collabs with male vtubers/ecelebs)
70% EN <10% ID
>unicorn adjacent (won't get actively upset about male collabs, but prefers all-girl content and will start to lose interest with frequent male collabs, would never use the label of unicorn)
92% EN 75-90% JP <5% ID

>>65611552
Everyone know the Rushia and Suisei stuff is baloney. The only place you wont get laughed out of for pushing the Suisei rrat is /jp/. Shion: >>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=Lightt and I don't really care about Laplus, but it's probably fake.
One thing that does hurt about being caught with males is that it can make you feel you don't know the person at all.

>>65611556
Way too high. Basically no one in EN or JP cares about past boyfriend yabs, and EN barely cared about current boyfriends. For JP the latter is more of an issue but still not more than like 20%.

>>65611552
The "evidence" for all of them is just as flimsy

>>65612136
>not more than like 20%
Depends on the girl in question, but there's no way that the majority of Holo girls have less than 1/3 Unicorn adjacent, with the girls who pursue gachikoi aggressively potentially having more. They might not leave after just one collab but they're not going to be happy about it.

>>65547437
Why would I?

>>65611099
>I'm actually unsure if any Holos actually say it anymore
They do but mostly only in member only streams and it's not the menhera type but more like showing appreciation for fans who only have eyes for them. "You can have many oshis but if I'm your only oshi then that's incredible and of course it makes me happy"

>>65612136
I don't know if I'm allowed to say this but I'm pretty sure none of the ENs have current boyfriends, but there was a period in time were everyone believed that at least one of them had a current one. I think the EN audience doesn't really care if they have one, but they do care if they lie or are manipulative. When yabs happen, I've repeatedly seen many people not one this website say that they think a vtuber deserves the hate if they lie to their audience.

>>65602847
You're a fucking retard.

>>65547437
>now
Did something happen recently?

>>65612521
she did a members asmr to try to keep her members from leaving.

>>65612437
That's a shame, although I wouldn't be surprised if management had a hand in it
Menhera oshis can be a pain but they really do make you feel wanted or needed when they're having a moment, which is nice as a fan

>>65612448
>I'm pretty sure none of the ENs have current boyfriends
That we know of, yes. [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] had relationships that probably ended after they joined Hololive.

>>65612283
I'd go further and say most fan, at least on the EN side, are Unicorn adjacent. On the EN side, before Hololive almost all streamers were twitch streamers, who were overwhelmingly male and always collab with each other. Hololive was the first girls only group popular with English an audiences and they weren't going to collab with twitch streamers because they were Japanese. When HoloEN came out, the girls natural fell into the box except Calli who was forced into it. Really, Calli help reinforce the Holobox.
I think the divide is between Hololive fans and people who are only fans of individual members. 90+% of Hololive want the Holobox while it's probably more like 50% for people who are only fans of individual members. Just speaking for the English fans there.

>>65612267
The evidence of rushia, shion and laplus is not flimsy at all. I can give you suisei but the fact she's meeting male idols off stream she has no business with is more than enough to make you wonder what else is she doing offstream. Personally I'm not naive enough to believe a woman will let a handsome man who's interested in her get closer to her without any romantic interest. And the guy is a fucking sexpest as far as I've read
You will never get a video of them fucking with someone. There's a reason people oshi-hen rushia after she was caught with mafumafu.
If you need evidence validated by a forensic department then they effectively will never have a boyfriend and you can unicorn whoever, even matsuri.
>>65611866
I honestly don't know what to say if you think rushia's male incident is "baloney". Shion even has a literal website where the evidence is published... you believe what you want to believe.

>>65612750
I mean some girls still kinda do it menhera but it honestly only feels like a play. It's not like for example when rushia did it or when 1st or 2nd stage lamy did it.

>>65612863
>I'd go further and say most fan, at least on the EN side, are Unicorn adjacent
I think it's decreasing pretty steadily as time goes by though; there's been a ton of non Holo western Vtuber growth in the last few years; and they're all almost without exception male collabers (Niji, most of Vshoujo, big indies like Shylily and Fillian)

>>65612787
The girls in Hololive are among the least like woman to have relationships. Not because their idols, introverts, otakus, or anything like that, but because of they're business woman who work all the time.

>>65612930
>Rushia desperately chasing alien dick while he dodges her
>this must mean they were dating!!!
You're so fucking retarded.

>Personally I'm not naive enough to believe a woman will let a handsome man who's interested in her get closer to her without any romantic interest.
You were never in a relationship nor did you ever have female friends past elementary school. You're completely clueless about the world if you can only think about sex.

>>65587629
Best slut.

>>65587629
>There are three kinds of people who tell the truth, kids, the drunk, and the angry.
That's so wrong.

>>65613020
Most non-Holo western Vtuber were male collabers from the beginning. Niji, Vshoujo, and Shylily are old by EN standards. The new kids are Idol Corp, Production Kawaii, and Phase Connect. Their not necessarily new but their popularity they is new. Those 3 corps don't go as far as HoloEN, but I think it's a step in that direction.

>>65612930
>the fact she's meeting male idols off stream she has no business with is more than enough to make you wonder what else is she doing offstream.
nta but suisei has literally sent the dude a happy birthday video once, the guy is a big suisei fan and owns tons of her merch and stuff (and other holos as well, i remember the kanata shirts). there's no real reason to believe they're dating just because they're friends on their switch, and also they're both musicians. literally the only thing that raises eyebrows and made people go nuts was his reaction to the notification but then again, if you're streaming to tens of thousands of people with notifications on it's not unwarranted.
>And the guy is a fucking sexpest as far as I've read
that's on him, not suisei, isn't it? if anything it makes the whole "they're dating" thing even flimsier.
>I honestly don't know what to say if you think rushia's male incident is "baloney".
i'll admit that's way more egregious but the fact she went out of her fucking way to disprove it makes me feel she wasn't at the "dating" point yet. the biggest reason it was such a big fucking deal is because she was GFE prime so even having a dude in his DMs would've been enough to destroy her credibility. even if the message was like "lmao look at this video" and they were not dating it would've still been bad

Were her interactions with the JP ecelebs even that bad/cringe? I just don't care for ecelebs or non vtuber streamers desu. I don't think she needed to apologize. The real money comes from hardcore gachiko, actual unicorns seems like super finicky and will at most buy a membership.

>>65613854
It was pretty bad at first, but then she started hangout out with Pizza gang. Most of the time was spent with is a bunch of vtubers girls and Aruran as far as I know.

>>65547437
No, that last lunch was disgusting looking

>>65613854
yeah gachikoi love unhinged male collabs

>>65614150
I don't so I simply don't watch them.

>>65614234
gachikoi love missing streams so their oshi can play with da boiz

>>65613186
The whole "she was trying to date him" was something Korekore threw together for views with limited evidence
Like if you go off of all of the information, the chances she was looking for anything like that was slim to none. She shouldn't have been playing Apex with him, though. That game is a literal cancer to the Vtubing scene

>>65614290
I see you're a weirdo menhera. If you were a cute girl vtuber, I'd watch you.

i unsubbed to her a few weeks ago bc i have no interest in homocollabs in holo jp and id just watch other holomems collab ive never watched rather than homocollabs, but im fine with her. i dont really think shes a total whore like matsuri or laplus. shes just like towa or fubuki.

>>65613854
You are aware most Unicorns tends to be hardcore gachikoi, right?

>>65614512
Not really

>>65614234
The problem with her doing VCR is that it creates a huge gab if someone wants to skip it. It's hard to get really invested in someone when it feel like there's a big hole.

>>65614512
hardcore gachikoi love it when their oshi dates another man

>>65614540
Eh, yes really? If you had no romantic interest in a girl, why would you give a shit about how she interacts with other guys? If you just didn't like the content, you'd just turn off the stream and watch someone else
It's precisely because they tend to be gachikoi that Unicorns tends to get genuinely upset about their oshis being closer to other men than they are to their fans

>>65613186
A fandead calling someone retarded, how endearing.

>>65614633
You're part of the problem
>>65610990

>>65613399
Yes, she sent that video to him but that doesn't mean it's normal to let him get close to her and to believe a sexpest will approach her with no ulterior motives is pure naivety. Okayu also got a message from hikakin and I've yet to see them becoming "gaming friends"; same thing with miko who received birthday messages from GTA V's voice actors.
If a woman who knows you are interested in her let you approach her she's either looking for an useful retard who will buy her free shit or wants to date you. There's no in-between. Women don't reach dudes out and meet them just to be friends.
I just want to clarify that of course I don't know if they are dating (same thing with almost every single idol who got found out until this day), but the fact she's going out of her way to meet male idols in private while being a female idol is extremely bad and her only explanation on the matter was a lecture on internet literacy that had nothing to do with the fact she's been meeting up with male idols in private, and a "you believe what you want to believe. If you don't believe me you are an anti". She never explained why and how they met and why they get closer. You can justify matsuri getting closer to mother and towa getting closer with shibuya hal, but suisei's not justifiable.
I might be wrong, but I'd rather deal with a false negative than a false positive.
>rushia
she dated him (in the sense of having a date. They ate together) and she was interested in him romantically as far as we know. If the dude rejected her that doesn't make her sin any lighter.

>>65575462
>>65614583
>huge gab(?)
I mean, if you were talking about most other holos, I'd give you the gap argument. But let's take a look at Ririka's streams and see what that gap looks like. I'll even nerf my own argument and only do streams on her own channel and leave out collabs on other channels, because it's easier and it doesn't change my point at all.
12/9 Holo Parade
12/10 VCR 2x
12/11 Genkai Meshi
12/12 Mario Kart, SC reading, Genkai Meshi
12/13 VCR, Genkai Meshi
12/14 Break
12/15 VCR, Zatsu
12/16 Mario Party, Mario Kart 3x, Annoucement Zatsu, SC Reading
12/17 Jisatsu
12/18 VCR, Genkai Meshi
12/21 Break
12/20 Genkai Meshi
12/21 VCR, Path of the Abyss
12/22 VCR
12/23 SC Reading, Minecraft, Music Cover, Mario Kart, SC Reading

There are a grand total of two days in the whole run where removing VCR streams would create a day of no streams, and there would still never be more than one day off in a row the entire time. She did more non VCR streams in that 13 day time period than many holos do in an entire month.

>>65615725
It's not about the time gab but the content gab. The amount of content is the problem. The problem is further exacerbated by the fact that then content is way different then her normal content and may reveal different sides of her. It creates a hole.

I love Ririka

>>65604460
If I wanted real women I wouldn't be watching vtubers now would I

>>65615599
>she was interested in him romantically as far as we know
Didn't both Mafu and her say the exact opposite?
Even reading over the tone she used in her reply to Kore, that doesn't seem to be the case. And anything that could have more strongly implied it wasn't shown even though Kore apparently had receipts

>>65614698
Retard. That guy was a fandead, I'm not one.

>>65614779
>Unicorns cause male collabs
This is one of the most retarded takes on this board. Considering you also seem to think that Unicorns are also generally not gachikoi, you definitely seem to hold quite a few genuinely dumb opinions on how fans in the Vtubing scene actually operate

>>65615599
>all those paragraphs
I'm not sure why people would give a shit about Suisei's personal life of all chuubas in the first place, she's always been so nonchalant about the way she speaks of her personal relationships and has always kept gachis at arms length that I see no reason for her to lie about not being in a relationship. In fact, I see people DON'T give a shit, the only place in the world I keep seeing this being brought up is in random catalog posts, even the Rushia situation (and Shion??? strangely enough but only from the japanese side) keeps popping up from time to time in tweets and youtube comments. Finally, I dunno if it's just me being naive or what but it's not something super suspicious to me that a singer gets "close" to another person in the music industry, hell I wouldn't be surprised if she hangs out with Taku Inoue sometimes as well; saying she "goes out of her way" to do it sounds very disingenuous to me as well.

(It was also confirmed that the vast majority of the comments harassing her came from niji fans lol so she was right about what she said)

>>65577756
Yes, I'm fully aware.

>>65621614
I think unicorns are gachiko. Unicorns caused the girls to do more male collabs because there reasoning for it is dumb and blatantly not true. This argument right here >>65614633 is the reason HoloJP has done more males collabs recently. Unicorns make this argument, but then every girl has an army of simps who say they're in love with them and will watch all their content as long as their not filtering. HoloEN decreased their male collabs because EN fans made the argument that they are in love with their oshi, but they like the female only environment because they like CGDCT.

>>65623005
You're arguing like a bizarre alien. You genuinely make no sense. Your post reads like a weird ChatAI response.
The reason HoloJP is ramping up male collabs seems to be a push from management. The reason HoloEN is toning down is because of backlash. However, HoloJP seems to be going away from it if the response to Holizontal is anything to go by. No, it is not the fault of Unicorns and you'd be frankly pants on head retarded to think it was

>>65621757
The problem is you think just because she doesn't want gachikoi it means she can have a boyfriend or fuck around with males and that's not how it is. She's an idol and she has to abide to the no boyfriend rule regardless of her thoughts on gachikoi. It's not about gachikoi, it's about idol standards.
People who anti'd her being nijifaggots is not surprising as them and vtuber antis are the ones who do that but that doesn't mean she's innocent.
>Taku Inoue
See, if the guy was inotaku then it'd have been understandable as they work together. I can definitely see them getting along as a consequence of working together (just like yoasobi). Sakuma has literally zero business with hololive productions (homos, holos, regloss, ID, EN, etc), streaming and vtubers in general so they effectively had to go out of their way on their free time to meet each other and if they are playing games together it means it wasn't an one and off thing like her meeting a fan; there's a relationship there. You can believe she risk her career to meet this dude because she needed to play mario kart and you might be right, but again I'm not taking the risk of believing a single, rich and famous woman who allows a rich, handsome, single idol male get closer to her is doing it to play mario kart. I might be wrong but I'm not taking the risk.

>>65623276
>It's not about gachikoi, it's about idol standards.
god you insufferable "muh idol standurds" tourists are so fucking retarded.

>>65623430
>It's insane to expect people who call themselves idols to abide by the rules japanese industry and society have on them
This is mental retardation beyond mental retardation. Go back.

>>65547437
Everyone had already called out how ReGloss was gonna be an experimental branch dedicated to whoring the girls out for eceleb collabs and general outsider collabs the very second Cover refused to clearly define what the fuck their purpose was. It's no surprise they would also be used to prop up the faggotstars. I never invested any time into watching any of them past their debut streams because of this, so I personally have nothing to forgive because I'm never watching any of them.

If you fell for the trap, you only got yourself to blame. These girls are an experiment to see how much Cover can get away with in terms of setting up collabs for them. They don't wanna do that to a main JP branch so they made up some fake branch as an excuse, that's all this is and all it ever will be.

>>65623557
if that were the case then you dumb niggers should've gone schizo against azki immediately, or have matsuri fired over her pretending to have sex with that youtuber, or told cover themselves to fuck off when they stated "the talent's personal life is their own problem" after the whole rushia drama.
>a-all of those are d-differen--!
go the fuck back.

>>65623722
Well damn

>>65602847
I'm jealous of Fubuki and Hajime...

>>65623722
You aren't making any fucking sense. I'm not a stockholder how the fuck am I gonna make someone get fired? You're just too retarded I don't even know what to say.
>azki
Everyone knows what's up with azki and it was like that since before she joined hololive. She also was a diva when she joined inonaka, not an idol, you baboon.
>matsuri
literally one of the most hated vtubers in the world because of the stuff you said and more. What's your point? Should I fire her? Am I yagoo? All I can say is that she's along with laplus someone who is not an idol (based on her behavior she isn't).
Take meds and go back.

>>65623005
i see what you're trying to do, but you suck at it.
>>65623722
only cover has the ability to fire matsuri.

>>65615599
I kinda like how anon here hits classic "controlling and abusive boyfriend" beats right down to "I have the right to decide who her friends are" despite evidently never watching Suisei, because...

>Women don't reach dudes out and meet them just to be friends

...there are even EOP translated clips and that Startend show on Main Channel where they make fun of how extroverted Suisei is and how easily she makes friends. But no, the female specimen of homo sapiens is famously an apolitical animal. None of them have ever felt pleasure from social interaction, the scheming psychopaths that they all are. After all, anon doesn't like talking to people, so why would anyone else?

>>65624364
woman post

>>65623226
HoloJP started ramping up their male collabs after Holizontal. Yes, it is push by management but it was pushed by management in EN as well. Regardless of why, what overseas fans did work and what JP fan did has so far not.

>>65624364
So you are either a cuck or a woman, most likely the latter.

>>65624493
JP are beta males who don't voice their opinions whereas EN fans will loudly do it.
No surprise that the JP fans get walked all over

>>65624306
my fucking point is that these "standards" you're trying to hold these women to literally don't fucking exist in hololive, especially when the company itself has issued statements that explicitly go against them. good fucking job conceding that by conveniently not quoting that part of my post, and now that i remember they even did that a second time when the whole kronii thing was happening.

if you're holding anyone to any standards it would be that they are fucking consistent: the reason the rushia thing was a big deal was because GFE prime having a boyfriend is just about the most hypocritical thing you could do (don't watch anyone else, just me!!! btw i'm trying to fuck this jpop dude teehee), the reason the kronii thing was a mess as well was because she held a stream talking to her members saying she wouldn't do more male collabs and then did a complete 180. that's also what allegedly happened here with ririka. THAT's what people have real problems with. yes, bae sometimes gets shit for it but nowhere near as much as the others because she already filtered the people who think womens are whores if they breathe next to a man and she never shits on her fanbase.

>>65624324
What am I trying to do, expose me.

>>65624793
Look, the collab beggar exposes himself.

>>65624793
>these "standards" you're trying to hold these women to literally don't fucking exist in hololive, especially when the company itself has issued statements that explicitly go against them
Whatever the company states is not related to what the talents do and to what fans and society expects. Kanata for example has explicitly stated she's not dating anybody and that she won't, same with pekora, marine, noel, etc. Cover allows them to collab with males yet most of them don't even call holostars' members by name. Just because the company doesn't enforce a dating ban doesn't mean it's ok for the talents to do it. In muslim countries you can kill women legally, that doesn't mean it's ok.
>EN shitters
I don't know nor care about EN. They aren't idols most likely. Didn't read.
You don't know what you are talking about and given how much EN shit you posted it's clear to me you don't even know what idol culture is about because you only knew the concept from hololive. I'm not replying anymore.

>>65625113
>the hologirls have to abide by strict no boyfriend rules as per muh idol bible!
>no they don't
>m-muh collab beggar!
Retard

>>65624793
You mind not spreading rrats about some Hololive girls just because you don't like them? Hypocritical scumbag.

>>65625249
Idol culture was always primarily about the journey of improvement and achieving your dreams, reducing it to "no boyfriend lul" is an actual tourist take just because you heard about that AKB48 idol that shaved her head. The other girls can add whatever other conditions to what being an idol means no problem as long as they don't force anyone else to abide by them. Hell, they respect each others', I remember Suisei going out of her way not to have Kanata interact with male staff (or male artist can't remember) during a radio show, despite her not giving a shit about such rules.

>>65625249
>>65625655
Also sorry but comparing having a boyfriend to killing women is fucking retarded lol, the only negative implication of the former is that your feefees got hurt.

I can't believe the shitposters saying ReGloss was the Homo collabing gen turned out to be right.

>>65625268
>my fucking point is that these "standards" you're trying to hold these women to literally don't fucking exist in hololive, especially when the company itself has issued statements that explicitly go against them.
>if you're holding anyone to any standards it would be that they are fucking consistent
>yes, bae sometimes gets shit for it but nowhere near as much as the others because she already filtered the people who think womens are whores if they breathe next to a man and she never shits on her fanbase.
"You should stop being a Hololive fan because of the strawmen I created" We've seen thousand of people just like you try the same thing.
You're not the one who defines what are standards are, we are.
Not to mention that fact that your a doxxer and one that hasn't dug past the surface of rummors.

>>65626012
>Your a doxxer
>talked about all the Shion and Rushia "evidence" that there is earlier
You niggers really have no sense of self awareness huh

>>65626238
NTA, but he was mocking you presumably about how your takes on Rushia are the most surface level of tourist takes
I'm aware of the Shion shit but moreso along the lines of who she plays with, with judgement as to whether or not it's something serious being something I don't have the capacity to make on account of not watching her

>>65626238
3rd party here, crying reason with a delusional fucktard, you are just as bad, have a nice day. Fucktard is hopeless but at lesst he knows it.

>>65625655
By the way, did you know that Minegishi Minami was reinstated as the captain of her team six months after the incident and went on to serve another eight years as one of the most popular members of AKB48? Betcha most of the lurkers didn't, which is why it's so funny it's always held up as the greatest example of dating ban, often in plural despite her being quite literally the only example of head shaving. In fact the temporary demotion was officially (as I recall) because of the head shaving: AKB48 members are banned from changing their hairstyles without consulting management first due to their looks being a selling point.

Isn't she a gyaru character? Isn't this just staying in character? Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>65626511
Her popularity tanked and never recovered but she stayed in the biz.

>>65624793
>the reason the kronii thing was a mess as well was because she held a stream talking to her members saying she wouldn't do more male collabs and then did a complete 180.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHWSBJPLIPU
Note the date: Kronii said weeks before the DBD collab that she was open to collabing with anyone who asked, which included Tempus. The only reason the membership stream happened was because a bunch of redditors and dramafags sent deliberately inflammatory SCs in her first stream after that. It's hard to forget for the longest time dramafags kept insisting she was a tranny and then a man-hater even since her debut going off of a single YT comment she made 4 years prior, so when she shows up doing a collab with males, you just know they're going to poke the hornet's nest for all it's worth if it meant getting the crazies on the bird app riled up as well.

>>65627589
You're sort of ignoring the fact that she made a bunch of promises in that members stream which she then proceeded to go back on almost immediately for no apparent reason

>>65627698
He's ignoring a lot of shit and making up other shit.
>a bunch of redditors and dramafags sent deliberately inflammatory SCs in her first stream after
Some trolls did yes but there were also hundreds of posts in her community from long time members.

>>65626888
Marin Kitagawa kayfabe but honestly, even in EN we have schizos that have fallen too deep into vtuber fantasy. They pick and chose what reality they want to face ignoring the rest which is required to make everything in the first place.
AMAGAWD did you hear my oshi interacts with male artists, male musicians, male marketers, male riggers, it's all too much she betrayed me, boohooo wahhh. Bunch of manbaby retards.

>>65627836
yass own those incels kween our boiz could incline if it wasn't for the evil holofans not wanting to watch them

>>65627836
It's collab beggars who throw a fit whenever a Hololive member has the smallest interaction with a male.

>>65627836
I've never seen a Unicorn actually get upset about professional interactions, especially when it comes to just commissioning work from professionals
Completely different from playing FPS games with some sexpest (hint: most male vtubers are sexpests)

this is the wordiest bait thread I have ever seen.

Ehehehehe
WAN WAN
*giggle*
>tranny janny proceeds to ban the imgur link

>>65627781
I wasn't ignoring: I was simply pointing out the narrative that Kronii was never going to interact/collab with Tempus and then did a 180 on that in particular was never true.

Kronii wasn't even aware of how bad that one community post got until people started badgering her to look at it during the stream itself; that's why I was saying the member's stream happened because of the hostile SCs she initially received prior to that.

>>65629966
>Kronii was never going to interact/collab with Tempus
The anon you originally replied to said she did a member's stream where she said she wouldn't, as in anymore, and that happened AFTER she had done Tempus collabs. Nobody claimed she said she'd never do male collabs.

>>65629966
thanks we already established that you either don't know what you're talking about or are openly lying

>>65629666
95% of posters ITT don't know what this is referencing lol

>>65578808
>using broken site
stop

>>65630052
That anon is full of shit and she never said she would never do Tempus collabs again during that stream: she was processing feedback in real-time and was trying to come up with a bunch of compromises that on paper she thought would maybe satisfy some people.

>>65630260
Oh no... bros what now?

>>65630354
She came up with a bunch of compromises and listened to the complaints of several longtime fans and members, and then proceeded to go back on her word almost immediately. I don't know what you call that, but it's definitely unprofessional

>>65628363
It's still male interaction but their paranoia doesnt get the better of them since it's not publicised /possible competition in their minds.
>>65628312
I'm aware they want to hit Holo to free up space but that shit is begging on the street tier tactics
>>65628268
It's paranoia that makes this audience weak, damaged goods when thry should stand tall. Male interaction is fucking normal but is your chuba worth the trust? If you can't believe I laugh at your life. You honestly don't worry because there's no investment of who you are. If you do stay parasocial then you can end yourselves when your chuba retires out of pure love lol

>>65631952
sister take a deep breath, you're incoherent at this point

>>65631952
Not liking and being completely against male collabs has nothing to do with being in love with your oshi.

>>65632010
Unicorns or gachiko who are cool people don't exist. They are emotionally weak scared terribly by social butterflies who express a bit of Rizz. They experienced failure and don't pick themselves up. They indulge fantasy and apply rules to others like little children. They have forgotten it is just entertainment and can't be happy because they get triggered not being able to self insert since there is no invisible space. How cute of a joke they are.

>>65632726
deep breaths sis

>>65587629
>There are three kinds of people who tell the truth, kids, the drunk, and the angry.
That's dumb. Many kids lie through their teeth (unless we're talking about toddlers here), drunks are just irrational and reckless, they can also lie when they feel like it, and then angry people often blurt out things they don't really mean because they're so upset in the moment.
The world is a lot more complex than you give it credit for.

>>65591476
>>65574926
Do you seriously not know how to link replies on 4chan?

>>65547437
There is nothing to forgive, she's perfect(I'm a cuck)

>>65632911
They all tell the truth, though. Did you hear about what drunk Raden said about Kanade's male manager visiting all the regloss girls?

>>65630833
These were Kronii's compromises
>Wouldn't interact with them on twitter
>Homo collabs would not be on her channel
>She wouldn't bring them up on her solo content
Also that stream happened because Kronies got pissed at her for flaking when she promised guerilla streams while she was on vacation and then decided to do rm collabs with her friends instead.
It was the same vacation where she was hanging out with Mori so that's why Kronies /here/ hated her for the longest time.

I need Ririka to tell me she loves me...

there is a bad direction unicorns are trending towards where instead of the 'just leave, permanently' approach they go out kicking and screaming. surprisingly its on the jp side.

these threads are funny since no one here actually watches her, the actual people who does are in hlg, ホロライブ or the regloss general.

>>65644438
I only watch her food streams

I need Ririka to tell me she loves me while someone is fucking her from behind

>>65644438
ah yes, the tried and true method of declaring you aren't a true fan

>>65602652
if only... they are literally delusional and believe she's their long distance GF and will dig into her personal life to make sure she is pure and single
you can't just take credit for retarded mass outages and claim they were for your nuanced and non-extreme opinion

>>65632726
I can tell that you're the region east of India, south of China, and north of Australia.

>>65632726
I can tell that you're from the region east of India, south of China, and north of Australia.

>>65609525
qrd on shion?

Ririka is my girlfriend

>>65547437
Imagine begging to be the third wheel of someone's date. What sort of mental illness lies at the foundation of such things?

>>65620190
Long before Rushia existed in Hololive I remember Mikeneko gushing on Twitter about how she were the perfect match for him and that those other women (his other gachis) should fuck off
So all those Mafu gachis stabbing Rushia standees weren't doing so just due to that singular streaming incident. Still crazy fucks for acting like that