/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65497830
That's a Mori skill issue

>>65497830
Selen deflection or Nazuna deflection?

>>65497830
If they want their coworkers to treat them more like human beings, then it would help if they dial down the doggy kayfabe. Even just a little bit would help immensely.

>>65497830
>Mori refusing to act her part
Many such cases

>>65497830
>there wasn't a single moment where mori was being sincere in interacting with them
has mori ever sincerely interacted with anyone?

>>65498713
Have you heard her music? If she dropped the ironic facade for even one second she'd probably die from cringe

>>65497900
How do you interact sincerely with someone else who is clearly just playing up a character the entire time.

It's like trying to have a meaningful conversation with Goofy at Disney World

>>65498395
This. It's like, they want to do a Japanese straight man/funny man combo while everyone else is doing regular standup.

It works well when they're on their own, but when talking with other people you really feel the awkward "Oh, they're doing a routine" of it.

Especially when you have people like Shiori in the same Gen that are too genuinely autistic to play a character

>>65497830
yeah bc they all want fwmc to join the EN whore sorority. instead mococo tells them to fuck off and eat shit

>>65497830
Everybody ask to do baubau, nobody ask how is baubau.

>>65497830
How many layers of projection are you on right now?

>>65497830
I thought everyone treated twins that way

>>65497830
Well that's what happens when you adhere to kayfabe that hard
You're just a character.

>>65500728
Shiori is just an absolute garbage subhuman slag. She's a whore. Period.

>>65502412
Ok, faggot. But enough about Kiara and/or Nerissa.

>>65502412
Holy projection

>>65502412
TWO MORE WEEKS FAGGOT

Niggerfag still doesn't know what Kayfabe is

>>65502509
>>65502556
>>65502571
Fuck you niggers and your whore oshis
Never accept whores. Ever.

>>65502509
>>65502556
>>65502571
Whore Defense Force are real quick.

>>65502412
Assblasted

>>65502735
>>65502762
TWO MORE WEEKS

>>65502735
Not my problem you went on this FWMC thread discusing how much they stick to their keyfabe and your takeaway was "Man, Shiori is such a Whore"

>>65497830
I'm starting to think these hags are just kayfabe 24/7. Like, they practice their characters so often with each other they just keep it going nonstop. I can almost foresee a future offcollab where holomems are genuinely creeped out by them.

>>65502412
It’s true but beside the point

>>65502735
>>65502762
Kill. Yourself. Nerissa and Kiara are nijiniggers. Nice oshi's.

>>65502936
Not my problem she's a whore.

>>65503345
>>65503259

>>65502615
The problem with leaning so hard into Kayfabe is unless you're very, very good at acting you come across as very ingenious talking to regular people.

It's like early 90s wrestlers doing interviews about how REAL wrestling is, or Calli when she does that obvious 'talking to a child' voice but 100% of the time.

>>65503134
Fair.

>>65503389
Bro's fuming so hard he forgot to type something. Good one retard.

>>65503449
*Disingenuous

>deadbeat derails the thread once again
To get back to the point, FWMC are simply too committed to break from their roles, which is a good thing.

At least they're capable of saying a sentence like a normal fucking person. Imagine asking your oshi(s) how their day went and they answer with "We had a WANderful day Wuffians, after taking Moco-chan to the DOGtor we went for a walk to the park and had a phone call with Mama Puppy and Papa Puppy BAU BAU"

cucklites defense force on a fuwamoco thread

>>65503626
Up until they get bored and completely burn out like every early 2000s YouTuber that tried playing a character.

And these girls are doing daily streams, not occasional weekly videos.

>>65503725
For someone talking shit about the dogs, you have their sentences down to a t. Stop wasting your time hate watching and do something with your life. Like ending it.

>>65503725
That's exactly why I love watching them.

>>65497830
That's not true. Mori was very sweet with them. And I think there's a lot of experiences Mori has had that Fuwamoco can learn from.

People just can't accept that the dogs like Mori and that Mori has changed this year

>>65497830
You can either have sincerity or kayfabe; dogs chose the latter.

>>65497830
Everyone treats them as consummate entertainers. Why... they're so good at it one might come to... idolize them.
Bau
motherfucking
bau.

>>65497830
>being sincere in interacting with them
I mean, BauBaus aren't exactly sincere themselves when they are so fucking deep in their kayfabe nonsense. How is anyone supposed act genuine with two people like that?

>>65504106
You can have both. Plenty of JP VTubers play a character, they just have that character just be a slightly exaggerated version of themselves. Though some started heavily Kayfabe, plenty stopped with the overly gimmicky stuff like catch phrases.

>> 65504106

There’s totally a way to do both. Buncha indies do it. Mori and fauna kinda do it. Kayfabe but it’s also genuine, ya know? Those two are just HARD committed to the kayfabe more than most envtubers imo which is why people are latching on so much

>>65503878
And you should start watching them instead of larping in this basket weaving forum. Maybe that way they'll ACTUALLY achieve their goal of getting to 1M subs within a year. Time is Ticking BAU BAU

>>65504368
Seeing a non-cunting pair of women must be a sensory overload to a sister. It’s like looking at a idyllic statue of a man while being a hobbling mutant — Infuriating and begetting of scorn.

>>65504604
Kill yourself. Imagine sitting down and watching pixel women.

>>65503013
This would make sense otherwise their commitment is so hard to imagine not slipping more lol

>>65497830
The collab was pretty good, don't know why people must seethe.

>>65504686
Go back

>>65504443
>[insert Luna copypasta]

>>65497830
I dunno, it was a cute collab and all three seemed like they had a lot of fun.

>>65504503
I'm torn. I do genuinely like their streams, and they play fun characters.

But recently it's kinda been feeling a bit samey. Like, I listen to Fuwamoco morning and I already know what they're gonna say.

Why do Ruffians hate everyone in HoloEN?

>>65504837
I did. And I couldn't be more happier. Keep living in delusions.

>>65504686
Says the nerd ass on the vtuber board lol

>>65497830
Falseflagging as a deadbeat? Or a genuine idol culture hater? Who can tell?

>>65503725
And the best part is they're making more numbers than all the whores from other agencies.

>>65504922
Go back even further then, preferably to nothingness.

If they were /here/, Mococo would never get any work done.
She'd constantly be reading the general and keep refreshing it to see new posts.

>>65503878
>For someone talking shit about the dogs, you have their sentences down to a t.
That doesnt take a lot, it just takes basic pattern recognition. If you laugh at any of their routines at this point you are formally incapable of learning.

>>65505047
>Literally two VTubers combined
>Barely make more than their individual Gen Mates

>>65504915
They seem to be okay with Pebbles... for now. But you just know that of Biboo ever says something that can be somehow interpreted as an insult their raiders are tearing /gem/ apart.

I feel like I've seen this exact thread and posts an hundred times already... are people really just looping a script every time?

>>65505367
Until /#/ is annihilated, this will keep repeating again and again. It’s basically Bravely Default except way more predictable.

>>65505172
Not before I actually fuck your oshi.

>>65497830
They put a wall whenever they interact with other people on stream, their keyfabe is too strong to connect as normal people and show genuine interactions, which can be off putting for the other party.

You have to understand that everyone in HoloEN know that they are over 30 years old and that they can talk like normal people, but refuse to do on stream, I'm sure they interact off stream like normal people, but on stream they go full keyfabe.

This is why they aren't really good at collabing, more so if you consider that the english vtuber meta is interacting with each other has normal people and that there is no character at all as vtuber, but just a normal person with a vtuber 2Dlive, most vtubers don't even have lore character or keyfabe.

But honestly is not bad, it's just different, if you enjoy keyfabe you will enjoy fuwamoco

>>65497830
When is Mori ever being sincere?

>>65497830
I mean they laid on keyfabe too thick for other girls to see them as actual humans.

>>65497830
>Calli
>sincere
She's always been a terrible actor.

>>65497830
Mori doesn’t play a character and she’s never sincere about anything. She’s an irony poisoned weeb with daddy issues and a compulsion for telling distruths.

>>65505204
>NOOOOO you should be watching Stacy McWhore she let us watch her play with her boyfriend. Not the hecking dogs from hololive.
Seethe faggot.
BAU BAU

>>65504915
We like Pebbles

>>65503626
Or they're just afraid of letting people see their true nature
The issue with them is not the kayfabe itself but the fact their personality is nothing but 100% kayfabe

>>65500770
forget it bitch bau bau

>>65505455
>m, I'm sure they interact off stream like normal people
Lmao I don't think so
there's a reason their English pronunciation is like that despite being native speakers

>>65505702
>>65504915

The twins are more open with jp Ruffians when they do jp solo streams. Why is that?

>>65505744
And do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>65505996
>flat out lying now

>>65505996
>The twins
Sisters are so easy to spot. You make it so obvious.

>>65505996
They hate English Language and Western listeners. They are only in holoen because they got rejected from holojp.

>>65505203
Hate to break it to you but that’s not easy, if it’s so easy for you, you should go be a Kayfabe vtuber, that’s a cool talent dude lol

>>65503725
>"We had a WANderful day Wuffians, after taking Moco-chan to the DOGtor we went for a walk to the park and had a phone call with Mama Puppy and Papa Puppy BAU BAU"
Kino

>>65505996
Because they can talk about dirty jokes and even a naked truth of their sex lives thanks to the language barrier.

>>65505455
>they are over 30 years old
They are?

anime girls on a stream > streamers with anime rigging. finally someone isn't a dime-a-dozen internet sociopath and suddenly sisters seethe

>>65497830
All I am hearing is some beggars pissed that the dogs are not conforming to their ideology.

>>65497830
>Everyone treats them like clowns performing at the circus
that's what they are

>>65504368
If you actually watched their streams, you'd know that they're incredibly sincere and unbelievably sweet. There's a reason why the Ruffians have caused them to top the superchat charts every single month since monetization. Theres a reason why every single girl who interacts with them can't stop talking about how cute they are. There's a reason why they briefly inspired gura(before she fucked off again). It's because these girls ARE incredibly sincere and genuine with both their feelings and who they are.

>>65506589
Isn't that obvious from their boomer taste?

>>65506589
either 31 or 32.

Having a sincere conversation with the dogs must be something like trying to have a sincere conversation with Jim Carrey if she would come to you in full Ace Ventura mode.

>>65506589
Yeah if they were in their 20s a decade ago that means...

>>65503013
JP loves this shit to death unlike the EN counterpart

>>65506746
Ruffians like them cause they act like retarded moe girls from some cgdct. Not cause they're sincere or anything.

>>65505996
They aren't more open with them, but they both eventually want to marry a fat old Japanese salaryman someday.

>>65504368
Sister, go back to watch your nijisanji male collabs

I've noticed that those who dislike the dogs are sisters and women. Maybe they're just jealous.

>>65506746
What's sincere about putting on a voice and saying they love you despite not knowing anything about you? The words of affirmation are fake. The point is that it's an act, that's what people like about them.

>>65506207
>just go be a kayfabe vtuber
I do even worse. I have a standup routine.

>>65502412
... But enough about Gura

>>65507097
At first, yes. Now ruffians literally adore them and easily have more gachikoi in their audience than almost every other EN fanbase save for a couple outliers.
They literally made almost 3 million yen on Christmas Eve between the public and member streams. All of those supas were hyper affectionate and loving.
Do 5 seconds of research before making your retarded posts.

>>65507097
>act like retarded moe girls
>act
watch streams

>>65507285
>being this mad because the pups are killing it

>>65507198
Based on everything you just wrote, it's clear you've never touched a single one of their streams and get all of your information from catalog bait threads.
They've explicitly done things to try to know their fans individually as best they can(without making others jealous). They have unironically REMEMBERED shit random superchatters wrote on their own Twitter profiles.
There is no "act" with them outside of dog kayfabe. They're honest and sincere about their feelings, and their actions show this.
Watch streams.
>>65507393
You should reread my post.

>ruffians ruffians ruffians
This thread isn't about ruffians but how other chuubas treat the dogs.

>>65507376
>NOOO SIR THEY LITERALLY SAY BAU BAU IRL AND PUT ON THAT RETARDED MOE ACCENT AND TALK LIKE TODDLERS.

>>65507285
How did they get so many devoted gachikoi

>>65507285
How does that contradict what I said lmao
They act like moetard heroines from some moege because they know that shit sells and attracts lonely men

>>65507618
By being sweet, genuine, loving, and honest. Go to fucking /baubau/ and ask them why they love FuwaMoco and, if there's no bait being posted, you'll get walls of text.
>>65507695
Cause your retarded and don't actually know why the Ruffians love FuwaMoco so much. You assume it's just cause "lol cute" when the reality is that's not enough. They ARE both genuine and sincere. Anyone who's followed them for over 3-5 years like me knows this.

>>65507695
This. Fuwamoco are pretty shrewd. The pledge of loyalty, their whole "we will protect your smile" shtick, the fact that they toned down their fucked up taste in media to appeal to gachikois shows how good they are at this game

>>65507563
>get all of your information from catalog bait threads.
No, I get all of my information from literal ruffians even ones in this thread. Do they hard kayfabe or not? Not even ruffians seem to know

>>65507600
Why do you think Yagoo hired them?
He saw they were incredibly lucky to not be dead yet from being so retarded.

>>65507600
Knowing who these two are, it genuinely wouldn't be surprising if they actually did Bau Bau in real life.

Ruffians never seen to be able to decide if FWMC are super kayfabe or super genuine, you can’t really pick one without compromising the other to some extent.

>>65507993
both sides are true
the kayfabe parts are well done
and the super genuine parts of them are authentic

>>65507872
>They ARE both genuine and sincere.
What genuine and sincere lmao
They even hide their powerlevels cause they don't want to "alienate" their mostly normalfag audience and lose superchats

>>65507993
The kayfabe is how they express their feelings but the feelings are sincere

>>65507914
>>65507993
Their kayfabe is surface level, and basically amounts to dog puns and and saying things like "we're just puppies..."
When they actually talk to the Ruffians one on one, like during superchat readings or during membership streams, they're incredibly sincere, honest, and sweet. They talk about their lives, their relationship with each other, their interests, their passions, and they want to hear about the Ruffians as well. You can only deny their sincerity if you're a catalog sister who refuses to watch streams. It's that simple.
You CAN have kayfabe while also being genuine. FuwaMoco are literal proof of this.

Horibble thread. femoids and roastie skanks squirting ITT while malding at 2 siblings roleplaying

>>65508120
Watch streams.

They seem fine with the arrangement.

>>65507618
They committed to their position from the very first day and they used their wisdom and skills from years of doing this and also being a gachi for others in the past to know how to act and express their feelings. Once the fans start happily reciprocating it's a just feedback loop of love.

>>65508254
>they're incredibly sincere, honest, and sweet
Your mistaking fake affection for sincerity lmao
They really know how to keep gachikois on a leash

>seething this hard because FWMC are successful while not being disgusting, spiteful whores
Maybe follow their example and stop throwing shitfits at Jap-sama, sisters. It might save you from 2view hell.

What the fuck is this thread?

>>65508254
So the kayfabe is superficial lore shit the same thing every other EN does. Same with the superchat readings.

>>65508406
>fake affection
I mean, if it's fake, they're not only god-tier actresses, but they're also extremely committed since they've been like this for over a decade.
I think I choose to trust them over some random seething nijifag/sister.

>>65508533
sisters
success
jealousy...
Well, you should know the drill.

>>65508533
If you have an understanding about how supercells form you can pretty much just apply it to the different masses of autists colliding in here

>>65508533
Amazes me to no end how many newfags advent brought from rddit that get shellshocked when they see criticism or bait

>>65508254
>>65508254
I tune in to their streams now and then(I don't care about supacha sessions) and all they do is make retarded noises. Even when they speak they use simple sentences like children to say completely vacuous shit. This is why I don't like them. They are neither funny nor their character is charming. There's no room for any sort of honesty in this format anyway and I frankly don't give a fuck about honesty or sincerity like other anons ITT.

Selen deflection thread
Forget it bitch! BAU BAU

Mumei was able to do it

>>65508624
Yeah, pretty much. They commit a bit more than everyone else in EN does, which is why everyone freaks out and says, "KAYFABE GOOOOOODS." Most of the people saying this barely watch them in the first place. Otherwise, they'd agree with all of my walls-of-text in this thread.

>>65508120
>they are trying to hide their power levels
>by playing visual novels and talking about figures
>and they also learned Japanese
Kek

Sister's brains can't really comprehend a chuuba that isn't some lazy unpunctual shit that scolds their chat often, uses the streams to chase clout from male e-celebs, it's just a woman with an avatar instead of something fun, spews political messages and sees their fans as ATMs instead of reciprocating their love; so they get incredibly nervous and in the verge of a stroke to see a proper loving professional chuubas.
They got so used to get degraded and chastised, at having to kneel down to a glorified e-thot while saying "yassss queen, slay that parasocial fucks!" they simply will never understand what it's to be unironically happy and in true love while supporting a chuuba fullfill her dreams.
Poor zoomers...

>>65509003
Who are you talking to?

>>65508875
You clearly don't watch them, and that's fine, just stop pretending you know anything about them.
>There's no room for any sort of honesty in this format anyway
There absolutely is. The only way you could possibly think this way is if you just don't watch them.

>>65509063
Do you want to me point all the sisters' posts above?

>>65502412
I wouldn't say shiori is subhuman but everything else is true

>>65508971
Only one visual novel(sakura wars don’t count) in 5 fucking months. There's not much difference between them and other vtubers in this regard.

>>65509161
You just posted a bunch of random shit nobody in the thread is talking about, meds please.

>>65497830
they're what vtuber was supposed to be

>>65509097
>You clearly don't watch them,
Whatever you say

>There absolutely is. The only way you could possibly think this way is if you just don't watch them.
How do you know? Women are good at pretending if it means they can steal men's pockets. Vtubers are no different.

>>65506683
And all I'm hearing too is excuses to hate.

>>65497830
skill issue, mori is trying to reinvent herself as an idol after fighting it for so long, a lot of the holoEN girls are going through this journey
so there's going to be some issues here in there with figuring out how to communicate in both an entertaining way and a way that meshes well with hololive

>>65509279
Femoid seethe. kys sooner.

>>65497830
They fucking baby-talk half the time, no shit nobody takes them seriously

>>65509279
It is the exclusive reason for their seething.

>>65508438
>Jap-sama

Says all I need to know. No hate on the dogs, but some parts of the fanbase...

>>65507993
They'll drop the kayfabe eventually and stay genuine. The reason why hololive works is because the girls are in an environment that allows them to grow as streamers afer all they have the support of their audience and the agency as long as they don't do anything retarded like Mori or Kronii. Unlike Vshojo where they have to whore out to stay relevant or niji where they're constantly fighting against management. Fuwamoco in the long run will figure it out.

>>65503013
Just imagine they cosplay as themselves, change their names to Fuwawa and Mococo and spend their time off stream acting like dogs. My dick can't get harder.

>>65503449
Vtubing is all about playing a character and sticking to kayfabe. Not their fault if people don’t care about the most important part of vtubing.

>>65509552
Hahaha!
Oh wait you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>65508533
Crabs in a bucket, every western vtuber has to be cynical e-whore with no personality or retards don't find them genuine LMAO

do you think they have separate work discord accounts or it just one fuwamoco account and they sign each of their messages

They're pro, they're never gonna drop the kayfabe cause it's their work.
Same with their affection, they're pros at making you think they love you. They have also being alienated, so they know that the way to vtubers' fans is through acceptance and love, and they offer them that. They learn about people who donate a lot cause that's the way they get them to stay forever. Do you think they would do the same with a grey who cannot afford it but is always there? I don't think so, at most remember if they read them before.
It's not bad if you like the dogs, but they are the same as the others, just with different methods that are more common with idol culture.
>>65510105
Ask that on /baubau/.

>>65509552
It doesn’t really matter to me if they go full kayfabe or become more genuine, it’s just a different style of content that appeals to different people. I don’t really think you can do both without compromises though, unless there are times where you very obviously drop kayfabe, haachama will do this at times. I think people have fallen in love with the character of FWMC to the extent that the idea that it might be acting genuinely harms their enjoyment of the content. I understand this since I don’t generally watch chuubas with high amounts of kayfabe because it doesn’t really feel genuine to me, but I was under the impression that fans of kayfabe were okay with just being entertained by a chuuba putting on a show for their audience.

>>65509948
Fuwamoco barely have any personality and they just bau bau constantly to make up for the lack

>>65510150
They're not pro they joke all the time about not wanting to feed into your delusions

>>65509248
They played it over the course of several months and began White Album immediately after, you absolute doorknob. Just because they have the common sense to not go so goddamn hard in the paint that they are explicitly streaming to the small handful of turboweebs that are in as deep as them doesn’t mean they don’t put most of /jp/ to shame. And you bet your fucking ass they’ve been on /jp/ for over a decade

>>65497830
Of course not, would you? Lets say you interact with your colleagues t work like normal. Then you have to do some public facing events together and they suddenly break out in baby talk all goo-goo-gaa-gaa and the uwu owo, and talking funny. You only have a few normal reactions. First you can act like they're being a weirdo, but it will make things worse for both of you and make your company look bad. Second, you can pretend it's a joke and they're clowns. Third, you can go all goo-goo gaa-gaa and uwu owo yourself, which will probably change how people see you and any respect you built up.

Obviously they're going to treat them like clowns, because to their co-workers they're acting like clowns for the audience.

There's a lot of jealousy in this thread. A lot of jealousy

Nothing wrong with committing to kayfabe, but when the kayfabe is baby talk in can be hard for some people to play off of earnestly. That's the gamble Fuwamoco have made and most involved seem fine with it.

>>65510166
I can't think of any chubba that committed to the character desu.

>>65509948
I mainly like the JP talents. I view FWMC as another cynical western interpretation of chuubas.

>>65508971
Their Japanese was so fucking bad they couldn't even recognize a lot of easy kanji in kanji de go stream lmao

>>65510490
That's part of the act? If you force it, people will say you're using them. You gotta give an audience that's clearly starved for attention the idea that they're going in out of their own volition, which to be fair, they do, cause it's that or the void.

>>65510541
Yeah that didnt work for pekora and miko they are crying because they wanted to be 100% real like a 3 ccv nijien.

>>65510653
One sister dilating because we don't watch her imploding agency.

>>65505602
Thanks, now I'm hard

>>65500770
Bau fucking bau!

>>65510871
Nice vague post that isn't related to anything you're replying to.

>>65510853
Anon, actual japanese natives who listen to and communicate with them frequently always talk about how fluent they are. Hell they did a japanese-only watchalong for 5 fucking hours just recently.
You cannot out-proof them.

>>65509444
Anon:
>why no gf just be nice to men it's that simple
Also anon:
>Femoid seethe. kys sooner.

>>65509552
Why are you calling nerissa a whore, anon?

>>65509003
Nobody loves you though. They're not reciprocating anything. It's acting.

If you wanna 100% you with 0 kayfabe just be a normal streamer

>>65508120
>sincere as doing the emotional prostitution
Roar
Rumao

>>65507872
>sincere as doing the emotional prostitution
Roar
Rumao

>>65502412
Why does she anger people? She’s just a dorky, extremely awkward and introverted girl.

>>65511201
Holy projection sister

>>65511011
Nips are easily amazed if you can shit out a simple coherent sentence in their monkey language and they'll jouzu the fuck out of you. Their Japanese reading skills are pretty shit even though they read VNs in Japanese.

>>65511388
Read the last word anon "period" , this is a sister raid because next week niji en could have their worst drama ever with selen situation.

>>65511201
So true sister.

>>65510657
Well most chuuba don’t go incredibly heavy into kayfabe, they’ll have mid level kayfabe that they turn off so the audience still remembers theres a real person there. I think committing to a bit is fine, but a big part of my investment in a chuuba is feeling like i know and understand them, as a result too much kayfabe can make me feel more disconnected. FWMC isn’t really my thing but I respect the dedication to the bit, they’re clearly very talented so I’m glad they got out of the 2view hell they were rotting in before.

>>65511610(me)
>>65510799
Was meant for this anon.

>>65511672
oh... you can have this (You) back then...

>>65511724
Sorry friend I’m a little retarded.
>verification not required

>>65511398
>>65511591
Fine, then you're very well loved and have a wonderful and fulfilling life. You just also crave the love an affection from strangers and entertainers that you pay to read your messages. The fact that you're bitching and seething and being over-defensive is just a coincidence and has no relation to how perfect your life is with your loving wife of gf.

Fuwamoco attracted all the filth in the community away from other girls with their incel friendly tactics. I commend them for this.

>>65509530
Nigger

>>65510657
>>65511610
>>65510799
>>65510166
What does this mean? Does kayfabe just mean putting on a weird voice and saying weird stuff sometimes, and sometimes referencing a character backstory? For the most part, they talk about their real lives, from their actual perspective in Canada or whatever. So I don't really understand what committing to full kayfabe means. It only means just using the same silly voice all the time? Because it doesn't seem like kayfabe means the same thing as committing to a character, or method acting, or role-playing a character.

Someone please explain it to me so I can understand what is actually meant or if the discussion is just based on conveniently selective memory.

>>65503725
Why the fuck do you watch vtubers when you desire normal fucking conversations? Watch your regular twitch whores for "normal" interactions. Who the fuck cares about the real daily lives when it's all fantasy, it's all supposed to be an act.

>>65512170
woman.

>>65512170
2view mentality on display. Maybe if you stopped fantasizing about the crusades you'd launch against the fanbase you don't have, you wouldn't have to seethe on a Kazakhstani glassblowing forum

>>65512549
It might surprise you, but FuwaMoco are women.

>>65512390
The peak of kayfabe hasn’t really been done before, which would be essentially a complete separation from your real life persona, but most chuuba have varying levels of kayfabe. Mori for example has very limited kayfabe most of the time, but FWMC would be considered much more committed to the character they’re playing, and most of the real life stuff they talk about is still delivered in a way that attempts to stay in character.

>>65505702
yeah I like Biboo and her fans because they're funny and Biboo specifically is like the least toxic gamer I've ever seen.

I like that the baubaus stick to their kayfabe. It was cringe on debut and then it really grew on me and I can appreciate the effort they put in to maintain it. Because they ARE entertainers, and sticking to that gimmick takes a lot more work than just being someone streaming behind an anime girl avatar. Anyone can wrestle. But it takes a pro to make it look good, take it seriously, and keep the entertainment value high.

>>65512390
>For the most part, they talk about their real lives, from their actual perspective in Canada
Lmao they only do this once in a blue moon

>>65512624
I wouldn't be surprised if fuwawa turned out to be trans

>>65500291
I would unironically watch that, though.

There's a ton of value in playing a completely sincere straight man to the character acting bit on the other side.

>>65513173
Lmao that came out of left field. I have no problem with it, and I know some popular vtubers that are but their fans deny it.

>>65497830
>There wasn't a single moment where Mori was being sincere
This is literally ever Mori collab/stream.

>>65511011
Wow, they get 日本語上手'd, that never happened to anyone else. Mori does JP only streams and gets compliments from JP members as well.
It's pretty obvious they often struggle with the language if you watch their JP streams. Fuwawa more than Mococo.

>>65511388
I feared the worst at debut but yeah, she's just an introverted weirdo.

>>65512934
See, that's why I'm asking. Because if people say stuff like full kayfabe then I feel like I misunderstood thinking this was just zoomer talk for committing to a character. So, you're saying everyone emphasizes it because in comparison to others they're the best. But see, now my problem is that if I say their commitment to character is 3/10 and others are 0/10 or 1/10, that's still not much better. What I mean is that it sounds like fans have really lowered their standards astronomically since 2016.
>>65513110
Yeah every stream multiple times blue moons.

>>65497830
Why are you guys so fucking catty?

>>65512934
How would you rate Luna's kayfabe?

>>65511011
Don't worry anon, they called me jouzu and almost fluent when I was just learning too.

>>65513415
As long as you’re understandable people are generally happy with your knowledge of the language as a non native speaker. There was a point where Haachama was considered the best EN speaker in JP and most people just thought her ESL was cute.

>>65513611
It's either that or fans actually don't care about it as much as they say they do,

Has Ame collabed with them yet?

>>65497830
That sounds like a Mori problem. When was the last time she was sincere with ANYONE in Hololive?

>>65503823
name some of them i have 0 fucking references to what you speak of

>>65509003
>Calls the one telling you not to get too attached and doing what they want over what's popular or gets them more money a clout chasing e girl
>Says the ones that does what will get them more money and hardcore fans while lying about how much they love you for monetary gain is NOT a clout chasing e girl

>>65500291
>How do you interact sincerely with someone else who is clearly just playing up a character the entire time.
What a way to expose your age. Did you miss whole era of people on tv (ancient machine with people in it) doing exactly that? Fucking zoomers, i swear to god.

>>65513364
>know some popular vtubers that are but their fans deny it.
Yeah like fauna and gura

They will mess up their voices. Maybe not now, maybe not in a year, but if they haven't quit then in a few years it will cause health problems and they might need surgery.

>>65513896
You're right anon, but surely you understand that denial is necessary for the fantasy to even work.

>>65500291
Dunno, ask every JP member

>>65514303
Pekora is the only one with thick kayfabe like fuwamoco in jp and no one takes her seriously

>>65513723
Unless you are on /vt/ where EOP morons proudly scream ESL at people speaking 3+ languages. Over typos.

>>65502412
>>65502735
HOLY fucking based

>>65513698
Luna's been on the internet longer than most of /vt/ has been alive so she can do whatever she wants.

>>65503725
Filtered.

>>65503823
>early 2000s
>YouTube
kek, good bait

One on hand I can respect how they COMMIT to their act, to be honest that's what VTUBERS should be about.
One the other hand, there's no way they'll be able to keep this act long enough. Either they will get bored, or their "normal" fans will get bored.

My only problem with BAU BAU is that it's 90% BAU BAU. Most of the things they do revolves around BAU BAU, it should be the other way around.
To compare it to Pekora for example, her PEKO PEKO mostly comes out as a reminder that she's a smug rabbit. It's like a "you're so fucking dumb PEKO" rather than "PEKO PEKO look at my PEKO".

>>65513896
The only one who doesn't love you and begs you to donate is the first one you cynical retard. Also going for the clout IS going just to get popular.
Imagine how brainwashed you have to be to considered being a rude lazy piece of shit to your audience because you deplore the acceptable state of affairs.

You know what's funny? When i was growing up i thought that Americas was the land of free and honest hardworking people (you were settlers and shit). At some point i stopped consuming German media and moved on to english stuff. Turns out an average american hates honesty, modesty and niceness. The country of failed nihilism.

>>65514392
When I go to Disney to meet Goofy I'm not interested in the greasy underpaid and overworked Mexican sweating his ass off under the costume that spends his down time molesting a coworkers niece he's supposed to be watching, I want Goofy to be Goofy and do shit in Goofy character. Same thing when I'm watching a vtuber. Got some shit they want to talk about? Then talk about it in character, not as the person behind the model UNLESS they specifically state they need to say something as the irl person and not the vtuber.

>>65514864
How the fuck are you gonna call someone else a retard while writing a sentence this incomprehensible.

>>65514916
You've lost a long time ago. Nerissa is literally bringing babies on stream. It's like you people have also forgotten about Moona. You are watching streamers now.

>>65515236
Unless it's something that will influence their content, if they have a mask off moment I block them immediately

>>65515236
>You are watching streamers now
>now
It was like that ever since vtubers started streaming, both JP and western. Very few strictly keep to the character. That's why dogfuckers have to bring up Luna every single time.

Fwmc continues to make the sisters seethe, you love to see it

>>65500291
> Recognizes kayfabe
> Can't figure out why his oshi doesn't collab or stream anymore
You're almost there Anon

>>65514845
everything ends. if you focus too much on the future you'll miss what's happening right now.

>>65515236
That's what people asked for, so that's what they got.

>>65503725
that's what's good though? i'm not interested in their real lives, nor am i interested in hearing the endless trauma-dumping that most other vtubers engage in. we're not their fucking therapists, they're there to entertain us and keep us company.

>>65515678
PEKO PEKO

>>65514399
>ESL makes typo while disagreeing with me
Disgusting freak, literally evil and morally wrong.
>ESL makes typo but shares my opinions
I don't care and go about my thread activities.
Simple as.

>>65515678
You know what, you are sadly right. Time always moves on, adapt or get left behind.

>>65509948
First two replies are baffling

>>65515841
What are you interested in then? It's not like they have fictional lives besides a one paragraph lore. What do you want them to talk about while they keep you company?

>>65516130
Because you're dumb and too afraid to respond.

>>65502412
Are you British? Post vocaroo

>>65500291
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Mori having a history of shallowness in conversation with holomembers.

>>65516565
NTA but does anyone watch VTubers for their deep conversations? It seems anytime anyone talks about something serious anons hate them.

>>65516308
>Papa dragon looks like Shenron
>gamer maid that only games
>Lion wants to taste sheep bathwater
>Mentally 12 yr old idol has thousands of husbands
It's not about making up stories, it's about talking about stuff filtered through kayfabe. Undertaker didn't really have magical necro powers, Ultimate Warrior wasn't actually channeling the spirit of ancestral warriors, and Hulk Hogan's leg drop isn't a realistic finishing move.

>>65503725
>We had a WANderful day Wuffians, after taking Moco-chan to the DOGtor we went for a walk to the park and had a phone call with Mama Puppy and Papa Puppy BAU BAU
KINO

>>65500291
Just because Mori is retarded doesn't mean everyone else is too

>>65497830
This is old tea Sister, please brew something else

>>65515513
Even Luna is not a very good parallel. She has no problems talking about her real life occasionally or turning her kayfabe down in collabs.

I just started watching it but you're all right. They instantly start by goofing off and being silly, but Mori wants to have a chat and they're just being silly and derailing. It's fine to have fun, but if you're clowning around the whole time then you get treated like a clown. The conversation is shallow but that's par for the course. I don't see what's wrong with them being the clowns of HoloEN.

>>65497830
Mori being "insincere" is her being her sincere self, and it's fine. It's how she rolls.

>>65516713
So you're are interested in their lives and ok with trauma dumping, it should just be phrased differently?

One thing I've noticed about Fuwamoco is that they often use the BAU BAU as a crutch to steer the conversation away from anything they aren't 150% comfortable with. This can be quite obnoxious if you run into it several times in a dialog.

>>65516713
Your examples are what literally every holoEN does

>>65516999
>So you're are interested in their lives and ok with trauma dumping
Literally never said that, learn to read

>>65517116
BAU BAU MOTHERFLUFFER

>>65517126
>does
did

>>65517116
My opinion is that Fuwamoco are not good people, amusingly just like Korone. It's funny how all dogstubers are like this.

>>65497830
Good, hopefully they stop collabing with her. She needs them more than they need her.

>>65516655
Shallowness was the wrong word to use. Condescending fits better.

>>65517250
I don't trust this anon's definition of good people.

>>65516414
First reply didn't even complete his sentence(likely ESL) and the second is an opinion. There's no reason to engage with people that clearly haven't watched a single stream of theirs.
Here's your (you).

>>65517142
>It's not about making up stories, it's about talking about stuff filtered through kayfabe
If they are not making up stories, they are talking about their real lives, even if it's filtered. It can't be just 100% lore memes.

>>65517409
Yes it's obvious but seeing them tryhard makes me giggle

>>65517473
>It can't be just 100% lore memes
It would be if they stopped being lazy fucks and stuck to kayfabe

>>65504686
>Imagine sitting down and watching pixel women.
Did you forget where you are right now?

>>65517210
PEKO PEKO

>>65500728
JP does it, though.

>>65517325
Well, that's something quite different isn't it?

My impression is just that she talks like I talk when I have not had much sleep.

>>65517508
But then only retards would watch them. As seen with FWMC.
Retards are easier to milk money from though, so for them it's probably a good thing.

>>65500291
>How do you interact sincerely with someone else who is clearly just playing up a character the entire time
>What is comedy
You literally just engage with them and take them at face value. The foundation of comedy is built on this very concept. Sometimes the most sincerest and funniest conversations need to come from someone intentionally playing up a character and picking what they're saying apart to reveal things they otherwise would never say if they where being "themselves". On a deeper level, most people put on a "character" when out in public and interacting with strangers.

Obviously this doesn't always work. A random anon purposely being retarded and shitposting is not worth humoring. The other person can put on a character but they also need to be willing to engage and be open instead of making the mistake of doubling down and saying no to probing questions.

>>65517602
Most of them don't, though.

>>65517669
Sounds like a lot of projection

>>65517250
Korone's just wasted half the time, cut here some slack.

FWMC bait post on da 'log! yummy~

>>65517409
It's all just opinions my guy. You're in opinion central. The first one is clear enough, don't quibble so much, and calling it ESL like you can't imagine an American saying something like this out loud is telling. They probably have watched streams and base their opinions on that. Just like you have opinions on others and don't need to watch all their content to know what you think about it.
You're on an anonymous message board so at least try to pretend you're engaging in discussion instead of being a vague posting bitch acting like you're above it all. If you were above it all then you would never have clicked on the thread. (You)

>>65505525
>i can't see vtubers as actual humans
that's the entire point to vtubing anon

>>65517715
NTA but every day ruffians prove that point.

>>65517793
>They probably have watched streams and base their opinions on that
I highly doubt that

>>65517821
>wants to escape from reality
>engages with reality mutton dressed as lamb (vtuber style)
Skill issue. Simple as.

>>65517886
Like I said, sounds like a lot projection. All I see are some fans enjoying their oshi. You're the one imposing attributes which means it's coming from you and not them.

>>65517715
>>65517954
>muh projection
So anyone with an opinion that doesn't align with yours is projecting?

>>65517887
That's a you problem. Whether it's some psychological problem or a lack of imagination, it doesn't really matter. It's actually very low effort to consume content. Almost everyone here has probably consumed over 10 hours of content if not 100 hours this year from content creators they don't particularly enjoy. To honestly think that it's impossible for them to have watched some of the streams is an actual delusion.

>>65517715
What projection? People who communicate exclusively in memes are objectively retarded. Everyone you've shown as an example talks about their real life regularly. If you want none of it, you are in the wrong hobby, just stick to anime.

>>65517954
What? I'm not imposing anything. I just said ruffians constantly prove the point. If you're enjoying your oshi what are you (they) doing here or every other thread?

>>65500291
vtubing is not for you, kid. go fuck yourself up

>>65518087
Hey, you're the one that called them retarded without substantiating anything. I'm just pointing that out.

>>65500907
He’s about to go astral.

>>65518107
Point to something they wrote /here/ that indicates they actually watched streams instead ofnclips and aren't just shitposting

>>65518286
I don't know. They were going to have no more misunderstandings recently? As if I can just think of stuff randomly when their content tends to blur together so much. I didn't like their visual novel Christmas show because I'm not the target audience so I closed it. The pero sighting for one of their recent streams was a Christmas present under a tree making noises and moving? I have no clue what you want.

The dogs talk and act like those overly invested Kindergarten teachers in the fancy schools.....so can you really be shocked when everyone responds to them as such?

>>65503467
>Bro
Go back

>Calliope "Haha Shrek right guys?" Mori
>sincerity
The bitch is terminally irony poisoned, anything she says is behind so many layers of irony that she can't tell.

>>65505602
Mori has daddy issues? Mind I don't watch her enough to pick that up.

>>65500291
IF HES IN CHARACTER AS GOOFY AND HE REALLY BELIEVES IT AND KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER THEN IT IS MEANINGFUL
IM TIRED OF PRETENDING ITS NOT

>>65500291
how about you go back and see how well mori did interacting with the JP members during rust s2. This isnt a fwmc is too quirky to interact with, mori cant into collabs and she actively brings down any stream she's a part of.

>>65500291
This post triggered the ruffians instantly

doggos are great, but is it just me, or is biboo the only one in EN who can collab with mori and make her attitude bearable

You could also go the other way. Why don't FWMC interact with other streamers as normal, adult humans? They refuse to let go of their keyfabe even for a second.

>>65515513
>dogfuckers
i still dont get what this insult is supposed to mean
like korone or something?

This entire thread is a good litmus test for how many ironic weebs or new vtuber fans there are on this board.

>>65500291
>It's like trying to have a meaningful conversation with Goofy at Disney World
see sheriff calli bit

>>65517793
>calling it ESL like you can't imagine an American saying something like this out loud is telling
He's missing a "lack of one" or similar end to his sentence. Nobody who isn't cringe omits natural speech like that, so I'm hoping he's ESL for his sake.
Checking your other replies it seems you don't really watch their content. You close a stream if it's not interesting to you. That's fine, nobody's forcing you to watch content you're not interested in.
Just don't be surprised when you write a stupid opinion when you aren't knowledgeable about the thing you're criticizing. You are admitting you don't watch them, but then you and the others ITT are making sweeping claims about their personality, based on content which you literally haven't watched.

>>65520972
This already got brought up. They don't do good kayfabe, they just do it slightly more than no kayfabe.

>>65503725
>We had a WANderful day Wuffians, after taking Moco-chan to the DOGtor we went for a walk to the park and had a phone call with Mama Puppy and Papa Puppy BAU BAU

oh fuck, im getting hard reading that, something is wrong with me man..

>>65521142
Ok, why don't they drop their bad keyfabe so they can interact with other chuuba in a way their fans are used to?

>>65520729
Sure, not like she's done a ton of collabs both with JP and ENs before. Bautists cope.

>>65505455
are you sure its because of their kayfabe not because they are a pair and whomever interacted will get third wheel syndromed to oblivion making it akward to everyone in the room?

>>65521114
>He's missing a "lack of one" or similar end to his sentence.
He is and yet every native speaker knows what he means and can imagine someone saying that incomplete sentence out loud.
>Nobody who isn't cringe omits natural speech like that, so I'm hoping he's ESL for his sake.
You either cringe at 90% of the population on a regular basis or you're not a native speaker and are hyper focused on what seem like illogical mistakes. It's just a product of natural language and people being lazy with the familiar.
>Checking your other replies it seems you don't really watch their content.
I do, I just don't watch all of it.
>You close a stream if it's not interesting to you.
Should I sit through it instead? Maybe you want me to seethe through it bored and then make a thread ranting about how I didn't enjoy it even though I knew I wouldn't. Considering how most anons behave I bet that's what you actually want.
>Just don't be surprised when you write a stupid opinion
All opinions are stupid. Your opinions are stupid too, there are many anons that will read your posts and think you're the dumbest anon on the planet. Get used to it.
>when you aren't knowledgeable about the thing you're criticizing.
I am knowledgeable. I do not need to watch all of their content to know what kind of content they make. Someone can watch only 10 episodes of FuwaMoco Morning and make a more informed assessment of it than someone that watched all 61 episodes.
>based on content which you literally haven't watched
But we already agreed that this is incorrect. Most anons have probably watched many hours of their content which is more than enough to give a well informed assessment of them, how they make content, their target audience, and what might put off potential viewers. In total most people commenting have probably watched more hours of their content than they put out in the first week or month.

>>65521245
I don't know, I'm not their walker. They sniff and pee where they want to and I have no control over it.

>>65521245
How about no? Does that work for you?

>>65521522
PEKO PEKO

>>65505191
She's just like me fr fr

>>65521522
Yes it does. I unironically think FWMC shouldn't collab with other chuubas. They could have guest appearances on their streams, but their style clashes too much with any other chuuba where it could never work if both parties are on an equal ground.

I blame holoEN management and their stupid fucking lore/character lore. Just make slice of life everyday fucking characters. Oh a highschool girl ,oh a office lady , oh an idol, oh a singer actress college student neet gyaru prostitute athlete dancer. They were so good as travel agents man

>>65521695
Do you think them incapable of maintaining their kayfabe regardless or do you simply wish to isolate them due to a dislike of their fellow Holos?

Sister had her first maxed bait thread event if it's a lot of samefagging