/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65476309
what method do you anons think she used for her attempted suicide?

>Stealth suspension
>Attempted suicide
>An actual accident (it's Nijisanji so this being the truth is unlikely)

>>65476309
My dick

>>65476411
Shooting herself multiple times in back

>Loses $15k
>Suddenly has a vague "accident" not even one day later
How convenient. It's almost as if she's planning on farming pity superchats to get back all that money.

>>65476309
Backstabed multiple times by Millie

>>65476309
Medical bills for the miscarriage of our baby
Please respect our grieving time

>>65476411
It's really unlikely she tried anything. What probably happened is she suicidebaited to a family member, possibly even in an extremely mild way like "I want to die", and they called the cops. Even hinting at suicide is enough to get yourself a few days in the psych ward if the cops find out.

>>65476560
Given the lack of any comment from her genmates or "friends" in the company, the only answer that holds water is that she's fired. Anything else around it is too loose to be repeated with confidence.

>>65476662
What? I didn't know that, I thought you actually had to attempt the act for the cops to get involved

>>65476309
as soon as she made the first tweet her rage hunger needed mcdonalds but while driving their she totaled her $15k car
right sisters?

>>65476560

>>65476740
Nah, and I think it's mostly the same in America and Canada
If you're suspected of self harm police/paramedics will take you to the hospital and take away your phone for a few days
Both because the phone/social media is often the source of said suicidal thoughts, and because it can be used as an implement to kill yourself.

>>65476560
Nice try, Millie

>>65476721
Rosemi replied to her

>>65476466
>An actual accident (it's Nijisanji so this being the truth is unlikely)
Why? Hear me out: Millie on behalf of Niji hired two dudes to have a polite conversation with Selen about what is and isn't acceptable to post on the internet. Unfortunately those idiots have their own understanding of the word 'polite' and Selen needed a bit of patching up afterwards

>>65476740
Nope, seen it happen. It's actually really shitty in many cases because the people aren't even a danger to themselves. Believe it or not, people are routinely thrown in the looney bin for calling those suicide hotlines and saying the wrong thing which leads the hotline operator to alerting the police.

>>65476309
Riku hit her with that left right unpaid vacation

>>65476904
Call me when Elira or Pomu replies.

>>65476309
Niji management, completely uncaring toward their reputation as a black company, told her she's suspended and to make an excuse on Twitter.
So she thought of something that makes Niji look even blacker.

>>65477191
We have limited resources and a long waitlist in Canada, she won’t be able to get a spot if she hasn’t attempted suicide

>>65476309
High cholesterol

>>65476309
>Spend 15k on a song cover.
>Gets deleted.
>Gets hospitalized.
>Has to pay hospital bill.
Can Selen afford the hospital bill?

>>65476411
Stabbed multiple times in the back

>>65477611
Everyone has limited resources and long waitlists. If someone's considered a threat to themselves the psych ward has to take them, waitlists be damned.

>>65477785
you don't have to pay bills in imaginary situations.

>>65477785
Canada dude
Its not like in america where a hospital bill impoverishes you

>>65477191
>call suicide hotline
>say the wrong thing while pouring your heart out to the person on the line
>pigs swat your house
>kill whoever is unlucky enough to open the door
>kill your dog
>kill you when you get uppity over the other inhabitants of your house getting slaughtered
I won’t say -many- such cases but it’s pretty crazy it’s happened more than once.

>>65477785
She doesn't have to spend 100k on an ER stay because she isn't American

Do you really think she wrote that tweet? Blacku compani, pleasu andastan

>>65476560
Nijisanji interns are going all out with the damage control to distract people from another yab. I feel bad for Selen and imagine spending 15 thousand on a cover song that NijiEN management takes down for no reason and than giving her a stealth suspension.

>>65478124
Canadian cops aren't like American cops are they?

>>65476662
Why is it unlikely?

>>65478509
>imagine spending 15 thousand on a cover song
I feel like this board isn't doing nearly enough laughing at Selen for doing this at all

>>65476411
Hanged herself with her wireless mouse

>>65478705
What's there to laugh at? It's known Selen takes care of the people she works with so there are no issues in the future, being a cheap fuck hurts you in the long run especially in entertainment industry.

>>65478944
>being a cheap fuck hurts you in the long run especially in entertainment industry
I'm not saying she got ripped off, I'm saying she keeps spending huge amounts of money on stupid vanity projects

>>65476489
Disciplinary action taken by the Nijisanji board of directors

>>65477466
The silence from pomu is deafening.

Not because selen is faking, it's deafening because pomu has clearly decided to side with her precious black company over her supposed friend on this.

>>65478509
On Christmas no less.

Having it nuked on christmas then getting Millie's shitty oopsie doopsie did you try asking management first? :O
Then the rest of elira's clique probably shat on her in dms

COME HOME

>>65478664
I mean, it's possible. But given her living situation and her close relationship with her family I think it's much more likely she told them something she shouldn't and they called the cops. It would be difficult for her to actually engage in self-harm without anyone noticing, though I guess she could have taken too many Xanax.

>>65478227
>>65478008
I guess anons are wrong saying it was attempted suicide, with Canadian healthcare it should be "assisted suicide", right?
lol

>>65479646
>help, i'm trapped in a black corporation and i need therapy!
>sorry eh, therapy's booked out to 2026. if you're really having trouble, we can offer you maid

>>65479737
Yay, I love maids!

As a hololive fan mostly I hope the best for Selen, if she really is as unhappy as she implies I hope she jumps ship to VSPOEN, honestly if they didn't headhunt her for it they are being pretty dumb.

>>65480078
You can mistreat Selen as much as you want and she'll just cry about it and do nothing. For better or worse, she's staying in Niji.

>>65478944
Are you retarded? Moona’s high tide mv was 3k, Kiara’s mv (don’t remember which) was a couple thousand, Everyone knows the ridiculousness of Marine being anywhere from $20k to hundreds of thousands. There is 0 chance the quality of her mv approached Marine’s cheapest and I doubt it was even at the level of Moona’s.
I should say Moona is ID so even though the equivalent is 2-3k usd the spending power would be closer to 10k in Indonesia. I remember someone talking about it but still cheaper than she spent. This is animators, producers, song writers, and beats while the 15k she spent was almost entirely on the animation. Yes she got scammed and is awful with money. Don’t get me wrong everyone I listed is equally bad with money and equally depressed like 3 quarters of the year but at least the quality speaks for itself.
Honorary mention management had to beg Gura to not spend $200k on a cover song

>>65480078
This is a schizo

>>65480261
For real? $3k for High Tide? That's honestly shocking because it's roughly 5x the quality of Selen's cover but cost 1/5 as much. If you can really get high-quality MVs for that price I might start commissioning them.

>>65480476
News to me, first post like this I've ever made.

>>65479579
What probably happened is straight after the two tweets she had a complete nervous breakdown, her family overheard it and the situation snowballed from there.
t: someone who's been there done that.
>>65479402
>Then the rest of elira's clique probably shat on her in dms
fuuuuck that possibility didn't even occur to me until you posted it anon but it's probably what happened to some degree. it'd explain why absolutely NOBODY from the clique has said anything in response as well.

>>65480485
Slow your role there yes you can get high quality stuff for good prices but you have to find these people. The people that did it are people she found on yt and twitter they aren’t big names by any means.

>>65479174
Oh fuck off faggot
You say this in the same chain where that fucking whore Rosemi does nothing but wish her well, despite Obsydia having 0 unity and Rosemi LITERALLY telling Selen she loves her and making a big deal out of it, only to prefer muh NijiEN family over her and only collabing basically when forced to?
Replying on twitter is the same as virtue signaling. People that care about her would probably contact her privately, not some milquetoast
>Omg, get better sis!!1
over X

>>65480639
That somehow seems more likely than them privately reaching out. According to your logic gura, haachama, ina, shion and kanata are hated by their coworkers as well

>>65476309
>>65476411
WTF

>>65476309
We all know that she is joining vshoujo now. Any avatar predictions?
I wish she'd become flat, brown skinned tomboy with super long twintails and bandaid on cheek

>>65479075
the only vanity project she should be splurging money on is her indie model.

>>65476662
>Even hinting at suicide is enough to get yourself a few days in the psych ward if the cops find out.
It's more complicated than this, as expected, (no, there does not need to be an attempt for a involuntary hospitalization to occur, however, if everyone who wanted to kill themselves was taken in without actually checking if there was an immediate psychiatric incident or danger, we wouldn't have enough fucking wards, and, there are VERY intentional and strict laws setting hard limits about how long and in what cases they can keep you there without consent) but, yeah.

>>65479579
Ah i finally see the mentality of the sisters on here, they are prescription crackheads. nobody on xanax could function at selens level, this is literally you projecting your brain damaged delusions onto people infinitely superior to you.

>>65480952
why do they have 0 unity?

>>65476309
Is it too optimistic to imagine her family just thought fugu was an appropriate christmas meal? Like, really high-level food poisoning?

>>65481377
What are you so butthurt about, dragoon? I'm not even saying anything bad about her.

>>65476309
>>65476411
Panic attack is more likely

>>65477610
I can already see the list of crimes on her termination tweet
>offering to pay artists for a new outfit outside the official authrorized means
>announcing a tournament without consulting with the managers of the respective talents beforehand
>commissioning a music video on her own without management involvement
>encouraging her fans to commit copyright infringement
>atrempting to damage the public image of the company with allegations of self-harm

>>65481380
Too many rrats for there to be a concrete answer.
Selen always ghosts people on discord.
Selen and Petra hate each other.
Petra doesn't care about vtubing.
Rosemi hates Petra for potentially stealing a persona similar to what she wanted because she talked about imposter syndrome like 5 months into this gig and has always had animosity with Petra for no good reason.
Petra/Rosemi only caring about the clique.
Selen being excluded from the clique.
Management HATES Selen, despite Rosemi once complaining Selen always got to do what she wants.

You could fill a book

>>65481377
It’s like watching to retards slap fight. He’s retarded for assuming it’d be xanax of all drugs and you’re retarded for thinking she’s some high functioning scholar. Her level is right above a depressed middle school boy

Obviously it was a Nijisanji sanctioned drone strike.

>>65478634
It isn't as common as in the US but there are several documented cases of wellness checks in Canada ending up with the cop fatally shooting the person they where sent to check

>>65478008
Actual canadian here, if shes in one of our "free" hospitals, that retards like you conveniently forget arent actually free, she'll likely be treated by some 80 iq pajeet and die, or the government will come put her down. If shes lucky shes in a private hospital and will have to literally whore herself out on east hastings to crackhead zombies just for a crust of bread.
Also kill yourself you faggot underage redditard.

>>65481094
Anon the difference is we've never had even a hint that there's a big mean girls culture behind the scenes with hololive whereas millie and co showed us they have one nine months ago. We also know selen keeps her distance from the majority of the corpo at the best of times and if she's being hospitalized over mental breakdowns this is hardly the best of times.
If you want to point out logical arguments about why they didn't shit on selen in dms a much stronger case would've been the fact selen and the rest are barely on speaking terms to begin with.

My sources say that it was a failed assassination attempt by management. Crazy shit

>>65482176
>Rushia
>Matsuri
On the flip side you have 0 information about vshojo girls being mean to each other but they weren’t actually friends. Kawaii thought they were getting close to gen 3 then they abandoned them. B-But they’re menhera and you’re a delusional schizo

>>65482014
Lmao welp they're fine now!

>>65482595
Rushia was sent off coldly because she leaked info on members she had a grudge against, Matsuri is the black sheep of Hololive because her idea of a joke is touching other girls sexually (among many other things). It's not comparable to what the person you're replying to is talking about at all.

>>65476662
I've had to endure two years of a suicidal druggie. I fucking wish it were that easy.

>>65483154
>we've never had even a hint that there's a big mean girls culture behind the scenes with hololive
The only way you’d claim one doesn’t count but the other does is if you’re a schizo here to spread drama

>>65483951
Huh? A "mean girls culture" means gossiping, talking shit, ostracizing and bullying people, etc. Matsuri is disliked (somewhat, I wouldn't exaggerate it) because she on camera kissing other girls, touching their boobs, genital area etc. in ways that clearly makes them uncomfortable. How is that the same thing?

>>65483951
You’re comparing apples to rohypnol, anon

>>65476309
She's not a menhera, it is definitely a health scare where she had to be asleep or on heavy drugs for a bit. Gave up her phone to avoid tweeting while drugged.

>>65484296
>She's not a menhera
holy reps

>>65476309

>>65476662
you dont get put under supervision in the hospital with your phone taken away for any ol accident; typically its standard procedure for major self harm or suicide attempts; not just baiting
Baiting usually just gets a visit from pd and a sit down with family to talk through it, and possible recommendations to therapy but; actual attempts result in the situation she's in
>t.former ERN

>>65484296
That’s rich. I’ll tell you this right now, as a former dragoon, there are entire screencaps detailing her menhera moments. Don’t hold it against her, but don’t deny the truth either.

>>65476821
Fixed that for you

>>65484285
Nta but while I knew about the boob grabbing thing I didn’t know Matsuri went that far. Holy fuck.

>>65481753
its nijisanji we are talking about, try to be more vague
>Pay a third party to infringe on Nijisanji's copyrighted material
>Force talents into a private event without prior consultation
>Use copyrighted material for self-interest without informing management.
>Encourage her fans to commit copyright infringement.

>>65476309
Guys this is not a rrat. I have on good faith information concerning Selen's hospitalisation. She had numerous bruises on her body and broken wrists, broken ribs and brain hemmorages. Most significant being lacerations on her wrists. She was reported mumbling I won't do it again, please stop repeatedly before blanking out. Does NijiEN really launder money and shake down talents this viciously?

>>65482158
I've heard multiple stories of pajeets reading 5mg of a dosage as 5g and killing people.

Is Selen wanted in holoEN?

>>65485070
Wrist lacerations, broken ribs, and brain hemorrhage? Jeez, lay it on a bit thicker, would ya? What else, did they find shotgun slug in her cranium?

>>65485070
But did she have a fractured ass?

>>65485070
Yeah haha sorry I was kinda rough when me and Selen Tatsuki were having sex last night.

>>65479174
I didn't really think too much into it but yeah, the silence from other Niji members says so much.

I honestly don't think she was thinking of graduating soon but I don't know how you return to normal streaming after this. They still haven't freed the cover. The people involved have already said she got perms too.

>>65483278
dude can you hook me up with her

>>65485212
You aren't taking it seriously, obviously the true culprit lurks amongst us. >>65485256 it could be >>65485264. Clearly her condition doesn't allow her to type. I feel something suspicious is going on guys!

>>65485441
I’m wondering if an artist reneged and didn’t tell Selen about it

>>65476309
someone with a gold yatch sent his goons to break her legs as punishment

>>65485529
Yeah, sure, you got 30k+ to burn to support her and her kids? Take her off my hands. I don't mind you doing things in Minecraft.

>>65483278
same, i got lucky it stopped during the pandemic
otherwise i would have probably moved as far away as possible

>>65485824
>you got 30k+ to burn to support her and her kids
>30k+
>her kids
A-aha, yeah, o-of course, but now that I think about it, such a large fixing project is a big responsibility, so I think I'll leave this one to you. Good luck champ

>>65486522
I aint fixing shit, I'm taking off the moment I find a fucking place I can move to in this brown and chink infested land

>>65481802
>Management HATES Selen, despite Rosemi once complaining Selen always got to do what she wants
I'm assuming because management hates her and gave her no help or oversight, and now they are doing oversight since Selen still brings in numbers and management hate it because they cannot claim it's due to them.

>>65485824
Sexhavers owned again

This shit is wild

>>65485441
>>65485590
Corpo autism, even if they got perms directly from the people, if something on the paperwork wasn’t signed correctly then it might as well mean no perms

>>65488653
Various corpos have stopped covers or even originals from seeing the light of day because one person who isnt even considered an essential contributor, didn't sign off or had concerns

>>65479466
from one black corpo to another

>>65476309
more like, management told her to come up with something other than family vacation for the suspension excuse

>>65489334
That's if she wrote the tweet herself

>>65482158
I broke my arm last year and surgery and all the other shit were free. Only had to pay for drugs (outside the one they gave me at the hospital) and PT. pretty nice desu

>>65481753
>>65484908
>attempting to self-terminate contract without management's consent

>>65477785
>Has to pay hospital bill
Paying for health care lol

>>65489689
And how much are you paying in taxes?

>>65480952
>Implying that that Nijiwhores aren't virtue signalers
Do you even listen to yourself?

>>65485441
Literally the only people saying there were perms problems are staff. Every single name in the credits of the video have made statements confirming they'd given written perms to Niji over 6 months ago. Even illustrators where perms aren't even a big deal.

>>65489853
Paying for health care
Leaf anon, Canadian health care is free in America too.

>>65485590
That doesn't matter. Permission isn't even needed to make a music cover under copyright law. And even if they don't want you to make a cover, they can't stop you. You just tell them you're doing it and give them 9 cents per sale/download. That's the current actual law, 9 cents.

>>65476662
It's Canada, they're can be pretty draconian with the state restricting your freedom, so while unlikely, not out of the realm of possibility.

>>65477069

>>65481698
Ah no i'm not a dragoon, i wasn't defending selen i was just pointing out how much of a subhuman you are, could have been any chubba

>>65481753
NijiEN Management's book of grudges...

>>65490034
Is there anywhere this ends other than "I want poor people to die so I save a few bucks" or can we just skip to that?

>>65476411
Getting thrown, I mean, falling out of a tall window

>>65492185
Listen, guy, when you let the government take control of any service or facility that many people depend on, bad things happen. There's a reason why America's founding fathers considered a central government to be a necessary evil.

>>65495060
So your point is that people are bad? Yeah no shit. People that do not have the interest of your group in mind are always portrayed as bad.

>>65495254
>So your point is that people are bad?

Big man, that's a different sentence entirely.

>>65495603
Not really.
The government isn't this big shadowy overlord. It's a group of people, at least in the US. So saying government bad is saying that people are bad.

>>65495060
Right that's why privatized for-profit fire brigades worked so well

>>65476411
>what method do you anons think she used for her attempted suicide?
Pills, it's always pills with women.

>>65495887
Everything is a group of people retard.

>>65497607
Wrong.
Is this what pseuds peddle lmao? Idiocy?

>>65497131
Always

>>65485441
Woah a video from a dramatuber using information from here??? Who could’ve foreseen this certainly not I. I thought all the disingenuous faggots saying “I really hope selens in the hospital because a suspension is so much worse” were regular anons not trying to stir up drama. Wait could the fact that a new thread comes up immediately after one archives be related to them????

>>65484285
>>65484293
You seem to have ignored the other girl I mentioned who claimed it was happening to her now why would that be?

>>65497732
You're just gonna say he was wrong, call him a pseud, and fuck off? If his statement wasn't idiotic, surely you wouldn't have any trouble proving it wrong, or at least following a line of reasoning to imply that conclusion. I don't even know what you're trying to disprove here.

>>65497732
If you consider the government just a group of people explain how a company isn’t just a group of people? A gang? A country?

Rosemi is as fake as ever. Not surprised.

>>65498075
Anon, you'll have to explain exactly how the girls you mentioned prove the existence of cliques or favoritism in Hololive. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that you really need to at least try to make an argument.

>>65476309
>HAHAHA I'm gonna collab and organize tournaments and nobody can stom meeeee HAHAHAHA
>BANGBANGBANG
>uhh hold on a second somebody's at the door
>it's riku
>SEREN GOCHUSISAMA ITADAKIMASS U NO TAKE CANDERU
>he beats the shit out of her with own silver youtube button
>uhhhhh sorry dragoon I was in an accident and can't stream? hahaha....

>>65497885
Huh? Neither of those musicians are here.

>>65495887
You know not all people are the same, right? You can't just class everybody under one umbrella because "Hey, we're all homo sapiens! We all bleed red!" No, people are different, and they have different interests. There's a huge difference between Jeff Bezos and the millions of people he makes piss in bottles, just like how there's a huge difference between Gavin Newsom and all the Californian citizens who have their livelihoods ruined as a result of his policies.

>>65478634
Canadian cops are more passive aggressive to the point of incompetence than actively aggressive to the point of incompetence

>>65484392
she isn't even remotely close to breaking like triangle or mike the cat.

what aee the chance selen having stockholm syndrome?
i dont get why she not graduate yet

>>65498212
They are. I never said or implied otherwise.
>>65498167
My point is his statement is stupid and self-evident to anyone smart enough to realize they are alive and mortal.

>>65499511
High. Sayu said some talents are suffering from battered wife syndrome. They don't believe they can have success outside the company. And I honestly cannot think of anyone but Selen who that applies to more because of her sensitivity and confidence issues.

>>65476560
Nijisanji use their well know Yakuza ties to beat her up as punishment that or perhaps an attempted assassination.

>>65490329
Death sentence is not free sis.

>>65500258
>Companies, gangs, and countries are groups of people
>You're wrong for saying everything is a group of people

Pick one, and don't start getting pedantic about the definition of "everything"

>>65500258
Also, self-evident means that it doesn't need to be proven right, it just is. How can something be both stupid and self-evident? If you meant he's obviously wrong, you still haven't explained why, because I still don't see the connection.

>>65501552
>the definition of a word is not what it literally means, OKAY!?
>why? shut up!
Lol pseud.

>>65502252
Welp, I'm not gonna be able to make any headway with this fine gentleman. If someone else wants to try, be my guest. I'm gonna go play Rimworld.

Nijisanji should be renamed Afrisanji or Nigisanji because of how black it is

>>65502371
I hope Rimworld teaches you how to make a basic argument. Or any critical thinking skills, really.

>>65476309
assisted suicide by management (they failed)

>>65498730
name next to the pin anon

>>65498451
>A "mean girls culture" means gossiping, talking shit, ostracizing and bullying people, etc.
This is your own definition and nearly word for word what rushia claimed. Now you’re changing it to cliques and favoritism. But that ones even easier to prove Suisei is about to have her 3rd sololive even though everyone else is still in line, Suisei got to perform on both holofes stages, Suisei got to restructure the new years event to fit her group, and she’s always pushed as the face. Is that enough or will we change the statement again

>>65507473
I’ll accept it, but just so you know, I didn’t suggest that definition, that was a different anon

>>65507473
>Suisei got to restructure the new years event to fit her group
eh?

>>65476560
>It's almost as if she's planning on farming pity superchats to get back all that money
I mean she explicitly said she was down 15k, so that is obvious, not rocket science.

>>65479466
No. Stop it. VSPO EN has a slot waiting for her she can fuck off there so she can play fps slop with homos whenever she wants

>>65514261
Isn't that part of brave group which people are calling dodgy because of the idol tie-up?

>>65490034
Don't americans pay more for healthcare JUST in taxes because their system is so dogshit?

>>65515490
>taxes pay for healthcare
You mean for the poor and disabled/elderly? I get mine through my employer and it's pretty good.

>>65476309
At some point one needs to weigh one's options and join Vshojo.

>>65476309
>>65476309

>>65489853
>pay something with taxes
>its free because it has an extra step

I would call you stupid but then again thats how americans get away with having so many "free" wars