/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Brave Group bought out idol?

Jews give Japs money

is brave group the embracer group of the vtuber industry?

Israel x Brazil collab
What could possibly go wrong

Oh. That explains things
>sudden PL revival
>meetings left and right
>nuked threads
The girls will become shells of their former self.

>>65444141
I guess that why rye back.

>>65444141
everyone kneels to the chinese eventually KEK

>>65444141
Can't believe they sold out to the Germans

I am not sure how I feel about this, on one hand I find it funny that both companies decided on a merger, on the other both companies seem to have shit management ( as evident to even those that watch them for this merger and for those that do for other reasons ).

>>65444441
>Oh. That explains things
it really does...

>>65444141
Infinite jew money isn’t actually infinite afterall. Big takeaway is that it’s a partnership which means while brave group doesn’t own them they will have to follow their rules because they are in the same boat now. It usually works best when you’re on equal footing or have something you can both gain. Time will tell if it’s an uneven partnership

>>65444441
>>65444564
>IT'S OVER
All the girls in V4M and Globie already have 3D despite only vtubing for like a month. Brave so far has only been a net positive, unless it turns out all the girls are in the CEO's harem or something.

>>65444564
Not a merger it would imply change in leadership and name. Technically depending on why they did it a merger might’ve put idol in a better position

>>65444141
Brave Group has been trying really hard to gain traction in the western market recently.

>>65444141
They have entered into a partnership with Brave, a larger organization that has better management and industry connections to further the talents potential growth and market penetration through the sharing of profits from business gained through cooperation and will take on some of the e commerce load off of Idols managers and provide expertise they may lack. They also are the IP producer and owners of VSPO esports project which are the #3 vtuber corpo in Japan. This is honestly a huge success for Idol. Potentially Aviel may even sell out to Brave and Idol would become a subsidiary of Brave, and potential rebrand into VSPO EN later. At the least they could now have an easy time collabing and have access to major opportunities like VCR gta and other exclusive industry only activities.

>>65444712
I hope they do it. The girls they hired are cute and don't deserve the 2view limbo they are stuck in

>>65444141
So that's why Yuko is going back to her RM

WTF is Brave Group?

>>65444141
Idol hit a dead end when Jap and Advent
slaughtered their numbers

>>65444809
Number 3 largest Vtuber corp. No one in the West cares about them currently. But they announced last year they are going international

>>65444141
who cares we don't watch corpos with whores who fuck their manager

>>65444809
It's basically Cover but for VSPO, V4Mirai, and now Idol.
So Imagine they all work for technically the same company now.

>>65444141
they hiring manager yet?

>>65444809
Rich vtuber shadow corpo. Used to run Gamebu then ran it to the ground with scandals about abusing talents and replacing them. Swears they are good now. Currently handles through acquisition and new launches several vtuber/vsinger groups like VSPO, RIOT Music and a bunch of other less famous ones. Currently expanding internationally both by expanding existing groups like VSPO EN and launching new groups for international market.

>>65444141
Idol needs to the Japanese

>>65444846
>>65444894
>>65444965
Are they Japan originated?

>>65444141
Jewman posted an addendum to clarify things too.
https://avielbasin.hashnode.dev/idol-weekly-8
All I'm getting is that they partnered up with Brave to handle their merch and not much else, I'm not sure what Brave is getting from this though.

>>65444421
The killer bees of vtubing.

>>65444451
I think it is less of her quitting and moving back to rye but more of her just preparing a back up plan and being slightly vocal about it. It's something like "if you fuck this up aviel, I'm moving back"

>>65444564
>This is what VSPO! EN is going to be under.
I take it back, no way Selen joins something so violate when she finally ditches Nijisanji.

>>65445014
Yes. Main corpo headquarters in Tokyo though they have separate subsidiaries for other branches.

https://www.bravegroup.co.jp/en/company/

>>65444809
Remember when people were saying
"Why doesn't Cover just guy out the competition and become a franchise?"
>>65444894
Like this, Brave Group beat them to the punch.

>>65445038
Maybe more exposure for the V4Mirai girls if they collab with the idol girls? Or some kind of contract where they have to prioritize raids to the V4Mirai girls if no other idol member is streaming perhaps?

>vtuber holding company
A clear exit sign for fans of vtubing and the chuubas themselves. Soulless.

>>65445077
I think Selen has made it clear she missed being an indie, so she is definitely going to be indie for a while after she quits niji, if she quits that is

>>65444141
Note that Brave Group formed a partnership with Virtual Entertainment (VSPO's company) and MateReal (Palette Project's company) back in 2020 and ended up absorbing them into their company in 2022.

>>65444141
chances for 3D? v4mirai got theirs when they debuted for only like a month

>>65445174
Maybe, they just had a kinda big 3D concert that showed how fucking lewd the models of the V4 girls are while the Idol girls performed with chibis since they don't have 3D yet.

>>65445234
>quits
She's probably going to be terminated the way things are looking

>>65444636
>already have 3D despite only vtubing for like a month.
Hohoo. Cherish your chuuba dearly. There might be minute changes along the way, just close your eyes and move along.

>>65444636
Brave fucked up like 5 years ago with Gamebu but hopefully they've turned over a new leaf

So that means Idol can't do more handcams showing 90% of their bodies nor piss drinking streams?

>>65445169
>Remember when people were saying
>"Why doesn't Cover just guy out the competition and become a franchise?"
No, honestly, I don't remember people saying that. It can't have been very many.

>>65445421
Piss drinking streams were a one off thing in the first place, even without this collab. Yuko wanted to be funny and check that out of her checklist of lewd things to do while being a corpo vtuber

>>65445267
Yae is genuinely great. More people should watch her.

>>65444141
2 black companies announce they will fuck their talents and make sure of it

>>65444141
they are merging operations, but no one is giving up ownership to the other and they are maintaining their own branding. Brave probably has more resources since they are older, but idol has rin and piss cups so they have much more US market pentation

>>65445234
>If she quits
After what management has done to her, she's either letting her contract expire or they're going to fire her because they're that black.
I could see her going to Vshojo or Hololive depending on the circumstances and while they're still corpo management, they aren't proactively fucking their talents over like Nijis.

>>65445679
That actually sums it up rather nicely anon.

>>65445861
Isn't letting her contract expire the same as quitting? Anyway if she does want to join Vshojo or any other corpo, ending it off amicably should be of priority. There's a reason why Sayu hasn't joined any corpo.

>>65444141
for people who cant read
no they didnt buy idol
no they have no sway over idol
no they have no decision making over idol

>>65444636
>the Jews now have a sidegroup literally named Glowie

>>65446027
Cough
>>65445250

>>65446027
they didn't enter a "strategic partnership" with idol to get nothing in return. they are buying rin and yuko. that is why yuko suddenly started posting things

>>65446073
In 2 years I won't even be alive so why should I care

>>65445970
After her stunt. She's radioactive to corpo environments. even if she's totally in the right

>>65446105
> buying Yuko
Kek. Anon is funny today.

>>65446113
Don't throw your life away anon. At least stream it before.

>>65446113
Selen tried to go before you.

>>65444141
Idol is outsourcing merch to Brave Group. Brave also runs Oshilive which does mocap, does silly ipads on wheels on cons etc and they have one place in LA where you do the mocap and I think they are going to open one in the EU as well.
This is kinda what I thought Nijisanji would since they couldnt capture the western market, just make yourself the key player in the foreign market by owning infrastructure and essentially make all the foreign vtuber companies and indies your tributaries so to speak.
I wouldnt be surprised if Hololive lets Brave Group run the overseas merch too since Hololive has shown zero interest in fixing the situation

>>65445038
>>65445174
It literally says projects before merch and it’s pretty much as I said. Though he is lying or at the very least omitting key factors. Just to start with now that merch is outsourced the cut the girls get shrinks effectively cutting their income and depending on how brave group does it that cut could be over 50%. Next up is projects think Blue Journey from Hololive idol might receive advertising and assets but again money will mainly be for brave. Idol will be getting more support, arguably, while the brave group gets money. There’s also the fact that as a partner idol has to hold themselves to a bit of a standard

>>65446168
if they were just doing this because they wanted rin then yuko wouldn't be posting shit on her alt

>>65444141
so lots of collabs with girls that nobody knows or cares about? yeah i can see why the idol girls aren't stoked about this

>>65446266
Hololive has deals set out in the west already what are you talking about

>>65446266
This is legitimately retarded.

Why are people trying to turn into millionth selen bait thread

>>65445234
>if she quits
kek.
The moment she brings up that discussion they're terminating her ass.
They already have "encouraged fans to violate our copyright" to start off her long list of sins.

>>65446408
You can’t copyright a cover song

>>65445267
>>65445518
I agree. She's so funny, sexy and cute. great at voicing things and her playful demeanor is so refreshing

>>65446266
Braindead retard

>>65444762
Agree. I've only found them because of the kson Lethal Company collab they did, and they were really fun to watch.

>>65446584
You absolutely can. The creator owns the copyright to that specific performance by default.

>>65446778
This thread’s intelligence is shockingly low

>>65444749
Idol has fuck all to do with fps or esports

>>65445267
wow

>>65446857
VSPOen wont be about only fps or only esports, they seem to have at least some semblance of intelligence and just want people who play games

>>65446778
>The creator owns the copyright to that specific performance by default.
Yes, and the creator of the original song has quite literally said there is no compyright, i.e anyone can cover it without needing to ask permission.
https://twitter.com/LilyPichu/status/1371572890190016516

>>65446105
They are buying Aviel's ability to market and scout for a western audience. "Buying" talents who are liable to fuck off if placed into a new environment is retarded.

>>65446985
And Niji owns Selen's cover. They get to say if it goes up or not, no matter how insane their decision is.

I'm curious how the next gen of Idol + idol es will go. Either a success that sends idol upwards, or a flop that'll end up in the slow decline of the company. When the time for debuts come it will be interesting to observe.

>>65447350
You are correct, but you're deflecting a bit from the original statement which was that Niji owns the copyright to Selens cover, which is untrue. In order to own the copyright to a cover song you would need a license from the original copyright holder. Just because LilyPichu allows covers of her songs does not mean that someone else can own the copyright to her songs without license.

>>65447357
>idol es
roru, wont be happening after the sexpest left

>>65447424
They absolutely own Selen's specific performance. To use it for anything they require permission from LilyPichu, but they 100% own Selen's rendition and anyone using it without their permission is violating their copyright.

>>65447625
They do own Selens performance yes, they do not own the copyright to Selens performance as it was released without license from the original copyright holder. These are 2 different things. If they had obtained a license from Lily, then they would own the copyright to Selens performance but from what I understand this is not the case, which is the cause of this whole "yab" anyway. You might want to read up on copyright law.

>>65444712
The only reason they even have traction in the JP market is they managed to buy Vspo after they had already become the third most watched corpo.

>>65444846
>Number 3
Only because they bought the outright number 3.

why the fuck are those retards discussing selen in this thread?

>>65448035
because this is a literal nothing burger other than it means Idol has access to easily the best 3d on the market

>>65448035
>caring about the quality of a catalog drama thread

>>65447451
They still have the Spanish managers so I think it's still happening.

>>65448035
People have been shitposting about her jumping ship to VspoEN since it was announced.

>>65448469
which is fucking weird since VSPO has like 1/100 of the clout in the west as Phase does, she would only go there if she got basically a contract that gives her everything she wants for free, no cuts on SC, minimal cuts on merch, free outfit every year etc

>>65444141
>black company
it's ober

>>65446965
Are VSPO girls even good at games? They are obviously gamer corpo, but I don't think they are eSports ready right? I've never watched them but they are girls and girls can't play games for shit.

>>65449223
They do have a handful of girls who are legitimately good at fps games, not really pro level but better than most would be. The rest are just shit but they’re cute so it’s fine.

>>65446584
You can copyright the characters featured in the MV.

>>65449299
Replace the MV with a blank screen or generic visualizer but keep the song. EZ no copyright

>>65449223
a few can reach immortal in valorant, other than that no

>>65449373
>Reach immortal in Valorant
You forgot
>With the help of male FPS pros

>>65449223
Yakumo Beni is Diamond+ in Valorant, a little bit below Ayame but that was 6 months ago so no idea now.
The important point is that VSPO get along very well with the Holo girls and NijiJP side. There's a very strong boost to idol but I assume Brave Group will be dictating all the terms. Idol is the weaker party in the merge after all.

>>65449619
Beni's highest rank is immortal 1.
Ramune is immortal 2, Akarin immortal 3 (1 more win for radiant), Noah is Ascendant 3.
Noah is also pred-touched Apex master with multiple trophies in streamer Apex tournament with her IGL

>>65445970
>Isn't letting her contract expire the same as quitting
It's leaving on good terms rather than walking away and breaking the contract. Ignoring trolls like >65446146, waiting for the contract to expire and jumping ship to another corpo is the best course of action, we've already seen some other Nijis already do it and they're much happier in their new environment.

>>65450177
The VSPO girls are really cool, but I was personally surprised to find out V4 was related to them. It's clear Idol is trying to save face and the existence of their company itself / retain assets. As for the growth of idol that's obviously ambiguous since it requires a purging of staff all the way to their CEO who was aware.
It will be interesting to watch the development from here on out, but hopefully they are treating their talents fairly.

>>65444282
Do y'all read?

>>65450523
Thinking Idol has equal terms. You are dreaming with this timing. Jew business is the type to liquidate at maximum value.

>>65450722
It's a partnership, not a merger yet

>>65450768
Agreeable

>>65448927
Phase is not a serious corpo

>>65451197
Best corpo outside Holo, Niji and Vshoujo and it is not even close, cope seethe mald dilate

>>65451197
just say you're South East Asian

No wonder Jews control all the businesses, you goyim are such fucking retards

>>65451451
yeah, me

>>65444141
The kikes bought out Brave.

>>65452269
I didn't know that K word.
Thanks, I have more knowledge I don't need.

>>65447263
Someone understands business

>>65450388
They aren’t really related, they’re just owned by the same people. They also bought HimeHina, and you wouldn’t call them related to either, same for the RIOT girls or anyone else they own.

I have been follow Idol since Ron happened.
Has anybody else left or signs of trouble?

>>65454551
yeah yuko is quitting

>>65454590
Yuko has been on hard decline since March. No big loss. Coni and Roca are better to build aro7nd

>>65444141
Weren’t the rates for merch cuts already pretty bad for the IdolEN girls? Brave is gonna want their cut as well now.
I remember when the jew was showing off his rates in his transparency campaign it was actually more beneficial to send superchats to the girls over buying their merch.

>>65453672
Related: : connected by reason of an established or discoverable relation.
Belonging to the same family, group, or type; connected.

I understand if literacy isn't your strong suit, but atleast try to keep up retardchama.

Yuko is the #2 in Idol
She would now be the #13 biggest in Phase

>>65444894
>VSPO
Wait wait wait, I'm pretty sure I saw them holding auditions some months ago for their own vspoEN, what happened to that?

>>65450388
VSPO was a self made success that Brave straight up bought and have no involvement with in the management of (VSPO old management still runs everything).
Brave seems to be hoping that attaching themselves to Idol will help their own overseas branch while also providing extra income because they’ll start getting cuts from IdolEN merch now.

>>65454551
Idol has been changing its content policy, restricting their creative freedom. Popular talents restarted PL activity in the wake of it and the acquisition by Brave.

>>65455406
Ok how you know

>>65455406
> talent(s) as in plural
Who aside from Yuko and Momo that were Tomers personal side dishes?

>>65455545
NTA & I haven't checked, but that's the 4th time someone mentioned their talents are using PLs.

>>65455686
>I have nothing to contribute, have some hearsay
average /vt/ tourist

>>65455651
Everybody except Rin, Nikki, and Katta have been active on their PLs, with an increase in activity just recently.

phasecucks are waking up and checking the catalog I see

>>65444141
It's over.

>idol is circling the drain
5 months ago it looked like they had their knee on Phase’s neck

Guess I gotta boycott another company now.

>>65455752
Roca isn't as far as I'm aware.
Losing Yuko would be a hit, much less so with Fuyo and if they manage to keep Endless onboard it will be fine.

>>65456578
>Losing Yuko would be a hit,
a year ago? yes.
now? it might even be addition by subtraction.

Roca's last tweet was on Halloween.

>>65444141
Does this mean I can finally legally purchase Juna as my wife/fuckdoll?

>>65445267
>>65446617
holy prostitute batman

they just let her walk around in that outfit?

>>65457186
in some official illustrations they just give her a net bodysuit. i have not yet decided if it is more or less S E X

>>65456578
Yuko is a brand liability, and not the good kind like Pippa. She is just a grosstuber.

>>65457366
Yae is absolutely sex. She's also Japanese despite being an English chuuba. I'm going to use this chance to shill her some more. Go watch her if you haven't already.

>>65457899
She also has a really smooth, silky voice. I can't wait for her to get her 3dio.

>>65455859
IdolCorp had their shot to knockout Phase Connect in June with mega hyped Gen2 debuts, Phase stagnation, + Phase reeling from controversial termination.
Idol swung and missed. The Phase counter punch is beating Idol's brains in.

>>65458376
What magic did PC pull to get their chuubas in the 4view territory?

>>65458376
>Phase reeling from controversial termination.
What alternate timeline are you from? Aside from a handful of indies vague-posting about it, hardly anyone cared. The phase audience sided with the company. It had no tangible effect on Phase whatsoever.

>>65455406
According to Aviel's blog the last policy change happened right after the piss stream though
Amusingly enough it also says piss streams are still fine in members, but I guess she didn't have the balls to do it again yet
Riro did though but she's gone

>>65458826
more streams less donothons and constant breaks

>>65459452
Panko had some breaks and yet she's growing quite a lot.

>>65458826
Top two rrats are either the first Fillian collab, or youtube changing how they count views
The last one sounds like some weird cope because nobody else got that boost so I'm going with the Fillian thing

>>65458826
Genius move of debuting right after that Fillian award ceremony. All (at least some) of the fans of vtubing got exposed to them especially when they're named the rising small corpo, the position thar Niji had in the west 2 years ago, I brought it up because everyone loves underdogs

>>65459585
>>65459645
Interesting. I sometimes watch Panko and Shiina, but I'm not following /pcg/ so I wasn't in the loop.

>>65459845
I don't watch them as well, it's just so obvious that their incline happened after it. Also, they slowly removed the kiwi/4ch vibe that the no-here people slowly got attached to, it's been ages since Pippa has acted out too I think since I don't see much catalog baits anymore with her

>>65458826
Good press, the opposite of what Niji had this year

>>65454673
>Roca
>better to build around
Well she has a very stable base if you know what I mean.

>>65460142
>Phase growing into 4views
>Niji declining into 3views
Huh... nijifags jumping ship?

>>65460245
boys watch niji, men watch cgdct

>>65458826
The same thing that caused the ~9k viewer box on the day of gen3 collab and increased posting speed in /pcg/ by 2-3 times.

This doesn't look flashy as 50k+ streams of Holos, but on the phase connect level it's a god-damn miracle.

>>65460427
i-it's all raids!

>>65460427
Hololive is just a different tier, much like JP vtubing in general is even more of a different beast where they treat big vtubers there like they're actually celebrities

>>65460427
>>65460496
>using a debut 1 week first ever gen collab
Now show what Hina and Eimi did last night. They got murdered.

>>65459137
>hardly anyone cared
this, literally none of the talents sided with her or were even sympathetic. Some like Tenma even went so far as to basically say "good riddance". Since Fish never specified what she did beyond vague "contract violations" this led to the fanbase assuming the worst and believing she got what she deserved.

>>65460597
Muyu just hit 1k on gorilla stream with debuff game.

>>65460562
They still play in higher league, but the gap is slowly closing. I'm not a fan of any smaller corpos in particular, but I like to see some competition to put some pressure on HoloEN.

It's just something that this post reminded me of, Wasn't Idol going to get an ES branch soon ish or something like that?

>>65458826
Tenma: has been organically building all year; supreme gaming experience
Shiina: has been organically building all year; has gotten some shorts conversion
Lia: has been organically building all year; masterfully maximized her 100k wave
Panko: no explanation. she went form 400 to 800+ over night.
Gen 3: huge advertising muscle. we will see who is an actual 4view in February when new toy shine is gone.They are like 9 days old and people locking their numbers in saying "they are gonna be 4views forever" are foolish and are acting like they have never seen debuts before

I am not convinced any Gen3 is going to be a 4view when the dust settles. Muyu is their best shot, but she is gonna default back into the same bad habits she had that made her a high 2view for 3-years.

>>65460714
NijiEN may have dropped the ball but they're still the only competition of Hololive. Unless Phase or Idol gets 20-30k tourists watching them for an event, or regularly gets sponsorships, they won't be counted as competition

>>65460863
>Muyu
im almost shocked how good she's doing

>>65460863
>Panko: no explanation. she went form 400 to 800+ over night.
Panko is cute, has a pleasant voice, and one can listen to her for hours. She's a great chuuba. She was just unknown in the past.

>>65454824
Still happening. We should expect debuts Q1 2024.

>>65460870
You'll laugh and call me a fag, but kawaii has been revving their fax machines lately.

>>65444141
This explains why ultra coom vtubers like Yuko suddenly want out.

>>65460870
>but they're still the only competition of Hololive

No. The period of NijiEN chasing after HoloEN numbers is long over. Luxiem completely disintegrated and girls stopped growing ages ago.

Vshojo is the only one with numbers that can sometimes match HoloEN.

>>65460427
>>65460496
last nights "box"

>>65461080
Uhh what? Qrd bro? I thought Kawaii was already teetering into closing down after what happened to Gen3? Last time time I saw their thread, it was a grim wanking and wishing Nene to go indie instead bec she's bigger than Kawaii now or get a ticket to Hololive

>>65461200
>fortnite
Retarded zoomers don’t realize Phase is a SEA/here/farms corpo not a zoomtard corpo they should be playing the incest game or pandering to coomers or something

>>65444712
>>65444141
>sakana planeed all his moves to THIS being their end result
>outplayed by glowing jews
>now has to all in on menhera grifters
sad
However this move makes sense for the nips(actually chinks like fishman) since VSPO EN was a DoA group, now have potential collab partners with v4mirai, globie and Idol to their pool.
OG VSPO had 774, indies, nip flesh streamers, nijis and holos as support before being adquired by Brave.

>>65461340
Were you in a coma? Phase is a zoomercorpo now especially with gen3

>>65454551
Yuko PL posting. never a good sign. Like jumping off into a lifeboat to avoid the sinking ship.

>>65460942
it has been like 9 days. come back in February.
You remind me of the retards who said Roca was gonna be a legit 4view and Holo fucked up by not hiring her for EN3 when she was popping 2kccv karaoke's left and right.

Once the debut shine was off, Roca settled in as a mid 3view, not a locked in 4viw like people were guaranteeing them to be.

>>65461521
>Holo fucked up by not hiring her for EN3
Holo still fucked up.

>>65461416
They only have 3 zoomers with Lia Eimi and Erina.

>Gen 3 (Advent) saved Hololive EN
>Gen 3 (Euphoria) saved Phase Connect
>Gen 3 (Enchantasia) doomed Kawaii Productions

Idol's Gen 3 should make or break them so they better not fumble it with another Riro scandal

>>65461565
Agreed, Roca should have been Nerissa.

>>65461690
>Gen 3 (Euphoria) saved Phase Connect
Anon their top 3 talents and faces of the company are all Gen1.....

>>65461690
phase was hard inclining 6 weeks before gen3 even had a debut date

>>65461754
No shit anon, I'm talking about reinvigorating the lifeblood of the company with collabs, getting the attention of tourists and keeping them. No one in HoloEN beats Myth's reach and Advent is in no way beating most of Promise and Myth with Nerissa and Shiori dragging their numbers down

>>65449619
>merge
it says right there """partnership"""
also VSPO is its own thing, they are also not merged wit brave's corpo side

Phase has had a perfect storm of exposure since September
>Phase got new exposure collabing with a NIJIEN ace
>Phase got new exposure collabing with vShojo's new top talent
>Phase has had successful collabs with 2 of the biggest indies in the industry Filian and vedal
>Pippa becoming buddies with Fillian, and Fillian allowing some of the Phase tertiary girls to tag along for collabs
but to me the thing that really did it for Phase? Incest game.
That shit put them over the top and did huge numbers for all that played and a lot of new viewers stuck around.

>>65462202
> the new viewers stuck around
This here is the core strength of phase, and the magic behind their high ccv to low sub count ratio.

>>65462202
I'm a holochad and the girls don't play the incest game obviously, I hate Pippa because of her fans, so besides her, who do you recommend i should watch when playing that game?

>>65461200
You do realise that any one of those streams is a dream box for a small corpo? Phase is officially out of the small leagues and is in the medium leagues where they stand all alone in the west

phasefags took over another thread

>>65461521
Unironically Roca should have been a holo and Runie for phase gen 3 should have been a holo. they could replace shiori and nerissa

>>65462326
Lia has probably the definitive playthrough of incest game. Her reactions were on point.

>>65462326
Jelly.

>>65462326
Lia if you can stand her zoomer adhd energy

>>65462326
lia easily

https://youtu.be/vGFIt5H-Ohg
https://youtu.be/k_90M4h4ClU

>>65462462
I've heard bad things from her so I'll put her off for now
>>65462556
Thanks

>>65462462
>>65462326
Seeing Jelly horny on stream for the first time was nice

Reasons for kattarina to graduate:
-no debut, and if it will happens, is it super delayed.
-Pochi got redebut before origin
-management is basically shitting on origin since day 1
-was forced to delete 2 successful streams this month
-horrible first 3d performance, so bad she isn’t talking about it and left the chat after it started
-admitted that no one reaches to collab with her unless she asks first
-her idol bff is sick and it’s hard for her to stream and to arrange collabs
-shitty numbers
-poor mental and physical health, declining in the past year: worst migraines (was hospitalized), anxiety episodes, declining eye vision
-family not very supportive of the career choice
-her first manager was guilty of inappropriate relationship with a talent
-projects being put on hold, delayed and cancelled
-poor relationship with graduated HE members
-being a fucking gen 0
-idol putting no effort in her generation
-no date for debut even thought”the model is ready”
-no date for donothon
-no date for memeberon
low pay
-worst contract than EN
-no gen/ anniversary merch ever tho they’ve been here for longer
-garbage managers
-not allowed to repost ai or nsfw images
-wanted to graduate in the past
-prostitute termination

Should I continue? Feel free to add things to the list!

>>65462326
probably lia because of the voice acting she did. was 10/10. she capture the sister's lust perfectly.

>>65444326
Other way around IMO. Idol has a brand that's actually recognized in the market Brave is pushing into (who the fuck are "globie" and "v4mirai"), and Brave has money (look at all this fucking 3d production) that Idol needs.

>>65462686
maybe if she wasn't retarded it could be avoided? Nikki does her own thing and sit eems to be working for her.

>>65462660
>I've heard bad things from her
Are you a Twitter tourist or what?

>>65462420
I agree with this.

>>65462797
I'm a catalog fag duh

>>65446065
It's globie, retard
I still kekd

>>65462420
Roca i agree. Her singing is amazing.
Runie is a standard fare vtuber. Vanilla. She is likely to be the dud of her gen.

>>65462686
>speaks English about as poorly as (You)

>>65449265
>they're cute so it's fine.
I agree, anon, as long as they okay at games that all that matters, or even if someone is dedicated like Bijou, I don't think she is good at games, but she is pretty dedicated to beating them and she is good at learning and adapting, which makes you root for her.

>>65462855
>Runie is a standard fare vtuber.
the lyrics she wrote are banging and she is a stacy autist, something that is needed in holo since all of them hides in a corner all the time

>>65462754
Idol has no brand. For example, last offkai was completely taken over by phase marketing despite idol sponsoring it. They are probably only one open to this kind of collab and investment.

BUT WHAT ABOUT PHASE CONNECT

>>65462855
it will either be Runie or Saya.
At the start of the week I would have said Hina, but it being revealed she is a Pippa nepo hire puts her into a rare protected class she will always be accounted for.

>>65463041
They're big enough to avoid being absorbed by nip black companies like kawaii and Idol

>Yuko and Coni are on their PL's again
canaries in the coal mine.

>>65462686
>career choice
As in vtuber? Is it really a career when you are a runt for so long at a relatively small corpo? I doubt she can even milk enough money to support herself, now I don't watch her, but I just know that gen 0 are low-mid 2views right?
I do feel bad for how management doesn't bother with them though.

>>65444141
>jewish group infecting another gullible host
tale as old as time

>>65462762
You seem stupid and blond

>>65463327
small corpo vtubing is a meritocracy.
not everybody in the company is gonna make it. Idol has 4 bus drivers and the rest are passengers along for the ride.

>>65463327
She makes more than enough to live alone with 2 pets. She quit working at a vet clinic for idol, but they shat in her mouth.

>>65463013
Idol chose to be the lewd loli company which isnt easy to market to the more “normalfag” audience.

>>65460201
I don't. Does this mean she has a massive ass? Awesome if so.

>>65462892
When you have no points you will insult someone for their esl
Idol management KYS

>>65463672
Idol abandoned that when YouTube picked Rin. They dropped Yuko has the face of the company so fast.
Then they had to double down after the Ron shit show.

>>65462798
Roca should still be a Holo. I will cope and that's my problem. I think she is too good for Idol.

>>65463672
They went to milk coomers to get their money back as fast as possible.

>>65463539
That's nice to hear then.
>>65463489
Sure, but management could atleast give them some boost with redebut, maybe some other stuff, I don't know.

>>65462660
anon you're not going to marry her, just watch the slut play the incest game

>>65463873
redebuts are tricky and seldom work out in small corpos.
who is the idol girl who did one and now has a terrible model? are her numbers at least great? or has she lost the redebut buff?

>>65463873
>>65463539
Fuck I meant nice to hear, that she makes enough money, not that they shit in her mouth. But everytime I see her I want to saviour fag despite being a poorfag also donating to streamers is bad investment, unless you are filthy rich, maybe I just grew out of it.

>>65463871
I think the owner even said that the donothons were the only thing keeping them in the green back then.

>>65463994
Pochi got decent attention but then went on break and did a second donothon followed by more breaks. Bitch is either too menhera or is just running a grift.

Reminder that Pochi got a new model while origin has been waiting for a new outfit for a year now
No Pochi hate, only management.

>>65464408
Pochi was probably like
>this isn't working. i want a complete new model or I am leaving
and they gave it to her to try and save her.

>>65461690
>Gen 3 (Euphoria) saved Phase Connect
LOLWOT. PC was saved a long time ago because of the talent and Muumi.
I can't comment on the others as I only watch Shiori once in a while and Kawaii I haven't even looked at their new gen much. There's other small corpos falling apart too like PROJECT F.

>>65463994
redebuts can save your career if done right, or contribute to killing your career if done wrong.
picrel is both both paths.

>>65464571
Did it work?

>>65464645
Yuris new model was so fucking ugly, I cant believe that the fishman paid for it. I heard that he is more heavy handed now with not letting retarded talent ruin a good model with their demands

>>65464741
time will tell.

>>65462326
>I hate Pippa because of her fans
Stop being a sperg who gets his opinions dictated by the internet and watch hers.

>>65464741
You be the judge:
September: https://www.vstats.jp/channels/1:UCP0csSl19lOSNwJGCFsJqAQ/2023-9
December: https://www.vstats.jp/channels/1:UCP0csSl19lOSNwJGCFsJqAQ/2023-12

>>65464590
>PROJECT F.
they are already dead.
https://x.com/vprojectf/status/1740406096223928659?t=K7rfIV4VMJiEaNBZw7dFxA&s=19

>>65464590
Your good friends Prism are still around... Right? And kawaii (are they your friends?)

>>65464645
the only reason Lia was saved is because she got a clue and changed her content. You can change a model all you want, but if the pilot behind it doesn't change their attitude/perspective it won't fucking matter.

why is there so much Phase discussion in a thread about Idol partnering with Brave?

>>65465121
Because Phase and Idol are the Holo Niji of the small corpo world for the catalog.

>>65464913
>down several hundred ccv from October to November to December
not looking great. she will be back where she was in a month or two.

>>65464940
F

>>65446146
When you’re in the right other companies support you

>>65444141
So the question is, are the girls reviving their PLs because of the Riro drama and what else spilled out about it, or about Brave specifically? I had no idea they used to be Gamebu.
>>65464991
Prism is still around but nobody cares about them because Sony doesn't do shit.

>>65464571
Woman moment. Her old model was great.

>>65465311
PRISM is starting to release EP's for their talents. They are an actual music agency.

>>65465219
Phase is Holo and Idol is Niji? Somehow that doesn't sound right

>>65447625
You are legitimately retarded I’m surprised that anon is being so calm with you

>>65464784
I don't know. Originally Gen 3 were supposed to be premades but that backfired when Idol said talent had full freedom on what to have.
Some of the Gen 3 "premades" ended up being used as manager models instead. And Muyu certainly wasn't a premade, it's Purin in a cow wig.
>>65464940
Are any worth watching? I did watch some of the debuts and liked Aishii AI but never stuck around.

>>65465311
Sony is an agency that killed a golden goose. They better do nothing but provide me with money.

>>65465419
Idol had nothing to do with it. Girls said they talked Fish out of it. Also, those manager models were not gen 3 premades. They're as old as Gen 1.

>>65465382
it is true.
if you were to stack up all 30+ talents between idol and phase and ranked them on viewership, it would look something like
>1. phase (pippa)
>2. idol (rin)
>3. phase
>4. phase
>5. phase
>6. phase
>7. phase
>8. phase
>9. phase
>10. phase
>11. phase
>12. phase
>13. phase
>14. idol

>>65465596
I know there was talent backlash but it still came around the time of the Idol auditions. Not that I entirely agree with Idol's philosophy as most of them end up as cunnies.

>>65465637
I'm pretty sure Tenma is actually above Rin viewership wise, other than that everything checks out

>>65463778
(actually Rin got boosted by her shorts first, and Yuko's old shorts got boosted shortly after)

>>65465596
>>65465671
I just hope that the Fishman gives the artists the okay to just say "you are being retarded and it will look ugly so no" because so many models look so fucking ugly when they have 100% input

>>65466088
For their standard models and everything I have heard from the girls themselves in their streans, talents have input and give the artists ideas they want or color schemes, but not total creative say. it is left to the artists interpretation.

so far as we know, fish gives talent creative control with re-debuts. Yuri, Lumi and Lia all got what they wanted down to every last detail if they wanted it that way. As you can tell, there are 3 very different results. You can tell right away who was too involved in the process and cause shit to be over designed.

>>65465671
The backslash came during or shortly after auditions. More likely explanation is that nobody thinks premades are good idea and it had nothing to do with outside influence.

>>65466088
Mins was a great designer and he cooperated with both artists and girls. They also hire skilled mamas. Looking at Gen 3 designs, the quality continues.

>>65466318
For the context:
Yuri went full twitch meta, Lumi went retarded and Lia let Mins fully design her new model and loved the result. The results are known.

>>65445250
if you're still around, do you mind providing a source? plenty to read regarding the 2022 acquisition, but i can't find anything regarding the 2020 partnership.

>>65461235
Part of the gen 3 walkout was a big Jap company acquiring them, which they almost spoiled, and it's now paying off with a real ad budget (finally) resulting in rapid inclines for almost every talent as well as connections like working with notable producers. A second 3D concert was hinted at too. They're on the upswing.

>>65467102
Reina is inclining it is nice to see. it took her forever to get to 50k felt like years. she will get 100k in 2024. good things happen to good people some times.

>>65467102
I only support (read like Kawaii things on twitter) out of spite because I want them to incline and I want the gen3 whores left in the dirt
t. phase connect watcher and fan of big milkers

>>65468851
>Phasefag is a dramafag
Sasuga.

>>65444141
Hostile takeover setup

>>65462686
poor relationship? what was horrible about her 3d? QRD?

what is yukos alt i don't want to lose her if she leaves

>>65444809
the ones behind coco's graduation

>>65466620
https://panora.tokyo/archives/73841
ctrl+f "matereal" to get to the interview question, the CEO talked about he formed an alliance with the CEOs of Virtual Entertainment and MateReal, it seemed more of an informal thing

>>65472805
ah, thank you.

That's cool, V4Mirai has some really nice 3d models her newest gen had them ready in about a month too

>>65463174
Of course Yuko would be mining for coal.

>>65454764
biggest what

>>65475168
biggest viewership draw

>>65469240
My nigga, you are on 4chan, I'm tired of you fags pretending to be holier than thou, we are all dramafags here, /vt/ is literally vtubing drama central, if you weren't a dramafag, you wouldn't be here or you would stick to your cute comfy generals. I love bitches bickering and companies acting like black companies, I don't like when people are treated like shit, but well, what can I do, I'm in for that drama ride.

>>65475384
Based.

VSPO is inclining hard so maybe that's a good thing. Yes Brave used to be garbage but seems like they got better.

>>65461159
Except they arent you lying fuckbag, EN is still competitive in the market no matter how much cope you huff. You are indeed correct they cant chase holo numbers but they're doing fine.

>>65462326
Considering you are watching a VOD and can hide that shit there is nothing lost watching her run. Her voice acting is humorously on point for this game.

>>65475676
>but they're doing fine

The dozen top ones are doing ok rest is a joke. And even top nijis can barely compete with bottom holos. Also popular Phase girls are doing better than most of NijiEN at this point.

>>65475384
Spoken like a true dramafag same

>>65476494
Phase isn't on the list you fag. But the holostars are, PHASE GOT BEAT BY HOLOSTARS, that's how much of a joke your org is.

>>65444141
The jew officially cashed out. They are calling this a "partnership" for now but once VSPO EN launched Idol will be folded and the talents will most likely be let go with maybe a few of them being sent over to VSPO EN.

>>65468851
>phase connect watcher
One of the dozens!! Your opinion can be disregarded.

>>65465121
Because Phase got their big break by leeching off of Ethan Ralph and Mr. Metakur drama. Their fans are all from those internet drama circles so they feel the need to insert themselves into every discussion ever. They are pathetic.

>>65477172
Neither is Vshojo, almost as if that list is Japanese and only includes JP corpos and their subsidiaries. Where did the evil Fish person touch you sister?

>>65478858
She's one of those sisters who wants
every company including Phase to have a homo branch

This is huge, both corpos complement each other perfectly. Brave having both the endgame tech for Vtubers and merchandise experience, capacity, providers while idol has a managed to crack the code for advertisement, exposure tactics and the talents necessary to make it all work.
This could be the beginning of a new big corpo

>>65475384
Based. This board is TMZ for a male demographic aged 18-40 and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>65477396
Jews never partner unless they have strong advantage, more management was brought in, this is liquidation to reap current businesses maximum value. Jew business don't half ass anything FR on god.

>>65479471
>this is huge
so huge idol's #2 and #3 girls are planning their exits and returning to their pl's

>>65465637
Do micro corpos really fight amongst each other like this? Kek comparably none of them can't even reach runt numbers that Kiara produces.

>>65480575
>>65465637
I want a dedicated small corpo /#/ split. The minor leagues are a special place.

>>65480575
yes it is more interesting. holo vs. niji has stopped being fun for a while it hasnt been competition.
the competition on the small corpo level is much more entertaining to track

>>65480664
>>65480699
it would be more fun if Pippa was excluded and banned from raiding people. She ruins it.

>>65480575
this is what happens when you are terminally bored, hololive simply has no competition on overall gold

Let me spell this out to the naive anons who don't see what's happening:

idol shilled too hard, ran out of money, can't continue functioning and live up to the promises. Brave comes to bail them out with investment. Aviel sold part of his company but is doing damage control since it's needed for the transitional period. This marks the beginning of idol being fully acquired by brave and aviel cashing out like the jew he is.

A text book pump 'n dump.

>>65480664
>>65480699
That sounds interesting. It would give a spotlight to growing smaller corpo chuubas. Make it happen I'd shitpost in it.

>>65480856
nah Pippa ruins it. As it is, her raids turn runts like Airi, Uruka, Hime and Erina into 800 avg for a month with huge raids.

>>65480856
>>65480815
>>65480699
Keep your shit to /pcg/. Small corpo threads don't need the same shitty tribalism you already ruined the big three threads with.

>>65480491
The talents are disposable and replaceable. Aviel is the true genius and irreplaceable component that shines like the star of David.

>unironic Phase seethe thread
wut?
why?

>>65480836
Exactly, instead it wasnt that Idol lost money, they literally pump and dumped the talents, got caught, company integrity is trash. Now there is new rookie management and old management looking over the current talent. GTFO fast.

>>65444712
I watched some of the V4M girls after that Kson collab and they seem pretty cool. I hope they get more eyes on them so they can succeed.

>>65480996
They speak like number fags though

>>65480664
Be the change you wish to see in the world.

>>65481128
Kek. I'm roasting my own post. I already said this earlier, but yes Aviel is at the end of day a supreme jew and is very likely to cash out.

>>65480996
Let's be honest, we are all numberfags to some degree. Vtubing is all about competition and you need to look at some numbers to separate the winners and losers.

>>65444141
Basically if nijisanji were to collab with vshojou instead of focusing on creating EN in 2021

>>65444636
>Brave so far has only been a net positive, unless it turns out all the girls are in the CEO's harem or something.
Does he know?

>>65481181
>>65480699

>>65481975
Enlighten me. Fuck that guy. I assume you're not talking about Idols Riro yab, but something more ancient and esoteric.

So I'd assume, Brave will use Idol, as a gate to EN market.
While at the same time, it also opens the doors to Japanese market, for Idol.

>>65482107
Idol will benefit even from Brave's Western infrastructure (merch, 3D events, etc.).

>>65481263
Is that why the donothons were hyped and mega shilled and also the reason people always complain about merch never shipping? Are they just pocketing all the money and going to offload into brave as they take the cream of the crop for VSPO En. I'm guessing that's why Momo has already been let go and Yuko is fast tracking too.

>>65482081
He's just mad because nijisanji sucks.

>>65480996
>the big three
Mythic is bigger than Vshojo, your twitch whores will never be 'big three'.

>>65482379
Damn, jews are based as fuck. Dumb goyim pay for shit that never gets delivered.

>>65482483
Does Mythic have any 3D concerts or other group events comparable to Hololive?

>>65482483
Notable Mythic vtubers include:
>Sodapoppin
>Asmongold
>Doublelift
When will you idiots learn that Mythic is not a vtuber corpo.

>>65482862
Neither is vshojo since it's on twitch. No matter how much you losers try to astroturf here you remain contained to your ghetto because you are not and never have been wanted.

They are called vtubers, not vtwitchers.

Idol and Phase are more legit than vshojo they at least are on a big boy platform.

>>65483203
Even as a holofag I agree.

"Big Three" is a stupid forced meme. No other company is on the same level as Cover and Anycolor, hence why they're referred to as the duopoly that overlooks the rest of the industry. Brave Group is a distant third, but probably the only company that has a shot to join Cover and Anycolor at the top. VShojo is "big" in the same sense that Isegye is "big", that is, just a big fish in a small pond (their respective ponds), but in the ocean that is the VTuber industry, aren't that significant.

>When the Jew, and the Samurai, combine their forces, to achieve a much greater goal.

>>65483203
imagine not knowing that the internet is a series of tubes