/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

nijiseethe

>>65453275
I don't like Selena, she sounds fat

Yes true, I am amongst them

>>65453275
Yes.
Total Niji Death.

>>65453275
I care insofar as I have nostalgia for the LazuDia days and I remember watching that Selen.

Figured that out all by yourself huh?

>>65453275
I hope you’re not just figuring this out now, it was obvious after Zaion.

I care, but also I'm not posting about it.

>>65453275
I'd actually have counted myself as an anti until this happened. Now I'm sympathetic to her plight.

>>65453275
people don't really need to do that when Nijisanji do it to themselve.

>>65453275
Nijisanji does that perfectly well completely on their own. No one needs to do anything besides state the facts, which has been done several times over. Maybe Nijisanji should try to stop being such a black company.

>>65453275
Genius. how do you know?

Kill nijinigger kill
Kill nijinigger kill

gonna go ahead and guess that niji somehow managed to piss off the one of the two nijis who's name I even know and that it's such a bad company it can't deal with any talent who gets even the slightest notion they are anything but extremely, extremely lucky in literally every conversation they have with staff. cause you know, can't deal with a foreign culture without someone trying the one of the dumbfuck ogre strategies that necessitated colonialism. enjoy your like, actual gross loser pimp CEO lmao.

>>65453275
Honestly, it seems like the only people that actually care about the situation at all are Selen/nijisanji antis. Barring the Selen split maybe, though I dunno if they ended up buying the shit management put out or not. It's kinda sad.

>>65453275
Just like they did with Coco and Rushia. Hell, Nijisisters are still bringing up Coco to this day. I don't see where is the issue.

>>65453275
I think she's the most liked NijiEN member by non-NijiEN fans. NijiEN fans seem to dislike her though.

>>65453275
not out fault why kurosanji is black company

>>65453275
the nijisanjiEN name was already smeared in shit, this is just the next pile of shit to make sure the sign stays brown

>>65455440
Not your fault and you're indeed right but let me tell you what you fags are in fault for though, none of you care about this girl at all she just attempted suicide due to a toxic work environment at kurosanji and all you faggots are using this unfortunate situation for your shit flicking monkey 4 chan wars. According to all of you the reason to deny Selen a better work environment at let's say cover if Yagoo wanted to poached her is that she's not welcomed there because you faggots still have cocks creaming inside what's left your brain cells.

>>65453275
no shit nijinig. and why would I?

>>65455743
>none of you care about this girl at all
Funny that you say this, because if you did you wouldn't even suggest that she should work at another corpo. She's clearly not suited to be a corpo chuuba. She'd be much better off going indie than going to another corpo because she has a large fanbase that are dedicated to her and will follow her wherever she goes next.
But it's pretty obvious what angle you're trying to go for here, so I'll leave it at that.

>>65456259
Anyone who's been at a corpo for that long is suited to being a corpo chuuba.

>>65453778
You know what else was obvious after Zaoin? Niji pays for smear campaigns. Yall arent even sisters, yall are paid or bots, i cant believe you talked so much shit about a nice girl like u-san, talked shit about nina who gave so much to niji and graduated peacefully, talked shit about mysta, and it hasnt happened yet but you will definetly start talking more shit about Mika. Just stop it Niji, smearing your ex employees doesnt make you look better, it makes you look petty. Same to the rest of the paid bots here

>>65456384
nta but nah he's right, she'd do much better as an indie on twitch or something. besides as an indie she can take care of her own shit and do whatever she wants.

>>65456496
>yall are paid or bots
>makes up opponent based on script in his head
I never talked shit about Yugo, Nina, Mysta, or Mika, they’re better off without Niji holding them back. The point is you act like you care but completely forget about them when they aren’t useful for your tribalfagging. /vt/ went from “SIEG ZAION” to “literally who” in like a month, turns out dramafags don’t have very high attention spans and just move on to whatever the next drama is.

>>65453275
I know that feel OP, my oshi was also caught in the crossfire of retards.

>>65455743
theres vshoujo available.
why only bring up holo?

>>65457480
It's always them retards.

>>65456496
Mysta thinks saving accounts are a scam and joined VShojo in massive tax debt, despite having hired multiple accountants.

>>65453275
I care.

the drama tourist audience is larger then the actual fans OP

we care.
thats why we want you to get out from that black company asap

>>65456805
I personally don't like zaion, you yourself are painting an imaginary enemy. Every girl has their fanbase. Selen is very respected and has a large community in Niji, she isn't the new wild girl, nothing like the zaion situation. Niji overreacted to zaion yes, but Selen they are actively trying to push her out of the company by isolating her. Zaion got isolated too, but that's after yabes, Selen is getting isolated for not fitting in and bullying. You talk about people using talents to get at Niji, but it's each individual fanbase feeling angry at nijis oppression, believe it or not zaion has fans too and they were likely part of the people throwing a fit. But I guarantee you this time a lot of the outcry is from nijisanji fans themselves, and your paid smear campaigns can't stop that truth from coming out.

>>65460320
she literally just wanted to grill aka play a stupid videogame but then suddenly she became a focus in the culture war which she never wanted to participate in (and still doesn't, by the way).
I guess that narrows it down a lot, doesn't it?

>>65453275
Selen is the best streamer in NijiEN. Followed by Rosemi and Pomu.

>>65453275
As if Niji need any smearing.

>>65456496
>Niji pays for smear campaigns.

It's all butthurt sisters retard-kun. Just take a look at their dox site. Luxiem sisters are seething for months after their precious faggots lost 3/4 of their numbers in half a year.

>>65460791
We have very limited information. Anyone familiar with the space is waiting for some form of confirmation. It's not Selen fans speculating that she tried to sudoku after management privated her cover.

>>65460828
Completely different situation. This is Selen and disgruntled Niji fans + tribal Hololive fans + Lilypichu fans + vshojo fans + small corpos and indie fans vs Niji loyalists and Nijisanji management. If we're talking about henya that's just twitter activists + woketubers vs conservative twitter + rightubers vs Harry Potter fans vs people that don't give a fuck (Japan)

>>65460999
No one believes she tried to commit suicide except schizos, the more likely explanation is that she's suspended. Or she just so happens to be injured at an inopportune time or she's actin injured on purpose. No one's gonna post right after they fail a suicide

>>65460944
Sister work... FOR FREE?

>>65461033
different externally, but still feels the same when outsiders who never care and will never care pretend to be an ally. it's all just so tiresome. and yes you guessed correctly

>>65453275
I'm smearing niji because I care about Selen

>>65461122
>No one believes she tried to commit suicide except schizos, the more likely explanation is that she's suspended. Or she just so happens to be injured at an inopportune time or she's actin injured on purpose.
It is illegal for Anycolor to release anything pertaining to her health condition.

>>65460604
Saving accounts are shit. It's as liquid as your checking account.
Just put them in a proper portfolio instead.

>>65461033
Yeah. It seemed like the Pikamee outrage was a lot more active. To be fair, some of the most... controversial posts were created after the graduation announcement, which Selen doesn't have so far, but...

>>65453275
It’s gonna be like Zion again desu. Once the drama is over, Selen has graduated people won’t care anymore

>>65461173
It's completely different because activist twitter vs right twitter is an ingrained mindset and phenomenon that spans many topics, they'll fight over anything even if they aren't invested and the result has no bearing on them. In this case how Niji does and how Selen does directly affects their experience as a vtubing community member. It would be a lie to say that every graduation and every termination doesn't affect the vtubing space and your experience as a viewer and an active participator in the medium. Tsunderia and Cyberlive and their management being exposed dying directly affected the trajectory of the vtubing industry as a whole, and now it looks like the termination of a single person in Riro is shaking up the landscape with the idol x brave partnership. The terminations of Niji talents directly led to changes in vshojo and internally within Niji itself. To compare an uncommitted unconnected audience to one intertwined with the subject is disingenuous

>>65461122
It makes zero sense to use a suicide attempt as cover for a suspension, because having one of your talents attempt suicide is considerably worse than suspending them.

>>65461326
How does that make them a scam?

>>65461383
>To compare an uncommitted unconnected audience to one intertwined with the subject is disingenuous
that's exactly what I meant by vultures, outsiders who pretend to be fans for recruitment purposes only, and just until they succeed or fail. you're missing my point.
>and phenomenon that spans many topics, they'll fight over anything even if they aren't invested and the result has no bearing on them.
and guess what threw me out of the culture war and soured me on it forever...

>>65456805
Zaion made herself a literal who by choosing to stream on Twitch. Recently, she's managed to hold 400-500ccv on two debuff shill streams on YouTube. She could have become huge if she went straight to YT.

>>65461830
>She could have become huge if she went straight to YT.
This is massive cope.

>>65453275
If I was just using her to smear Niji I'd say that I hope she did kill herself because of Niji management. That would be an impossible stain for them to remove and they wouldn't be able to come back from that. But I would never wish for something so heartless...

>>65453275

>>65461830
It's funny you bring up Zaion because guess who didn't follow dokibird until 12/25, and then suddenly did, just like the pathetic clout-chasing leech she is?

>>65461698
It seems you are still missing the point too. Vultures of other corpos are still active participants, the right and left of twitter are not active participants, they argue for the sake of arguing. Vshojo has an incentive to fuel the fire because they'll get Selen, Hololive has an incentive because it weakens a competitor. What do people have to gain from arguing over Harry potter video games and vtubers? They don't even participate in the vtuber space, sure some of the people did, but that thing reached tens of millions on twitter of people for a community that does not have millions. This Selen issue is not even getting as big as the Riro issue in the normies sphere in terms of twitter interaction. That tells me that these are vtuber sphere fans reacting.

They're doing this because they want people to watch elira again. Elira stays in line and will always bend the knee to management, selen is the opposite.
Fucking black company if we've ever seen one

>>65462073
There's also a huge western anti-corporate crowd that comes out of the woodwork whenever they get the chance.

>>65462073
>Vultures of other corpos
I never said that specifically. just wait until the controversy breaks containment and it'll be easier to see.
>they argue for the sake of arguing.
more like they virtue signal for the sake of virtue signaling
>Vshojo has an incentive to fuel the fire
and as a Henyafag I'm really disgusted by this, because it's all too familiar. are you starting to get it yet?
>sure some of the people did
yes, a lot of dramafags, culture warriors and other garbage that sometimes use a live2D avatar and *pretended* to care.
>This Selen issue is not even getting as big
it might or might not blow up, that doesn't change my sympathies for OP and others like him that just don't wanna see their oshi suffer.
>>65462341
true. also, don't even get me started on the "every form of Japanese entertainment is pedophilia" types... I'm pretty sure this will blow up just the same, we're merely at the very beginning of the wave so to speak.

>>65453275
zaion...

>>65457548
I will never forgive selen if she joins vhoejo
She's got so much potential an she shouldn't throw it away like that.

>>65462460
The biggest issue is that these people legitimately believe that they're advocating for the talents best interests. Anything good the talents say about the company is automatically something that they were forced to make.

she is fat, so ofc i don´t care about her
shitting on Niji? hell yeah.
Fat woman should be glad she receives some attention now, even if she is only being used for shitposting
fat people don´t deserve real love, since they obviously don´t love themselves

>>65462460
You say wait and see, but Henya situation had the backdrop of Harry Potter right versus left being a story before henya even got involved, she was just a piece of the fuel, the fact that the likes of Coh Carnage, Asmongold, and even Xqc got involved in it in their own communities speaks to that. The Riro situation had the backdrop of Jews, Loli fetish, fucking fans which was a topic due to offkai and to normies ruby rose and her 60k fan. The Selen issue has very few things non vtuber fans to latch onto, as it is mainly a vtuber dispute. If this is a confirmed suicide attempt we could get some people though.

>>65463033
Yeah, while not everyone posting about this is a fan, they're all insiders to a much greater extent than the Hogwarts legacy thing

She's the most subbed female in nijiEN you're crazy if you think people don't care about her.

>>65462322
Elira is the management at this point with all of her nepohired friends

>>65461354
That's not true, we'll eternally use her graduation, and any potential new career, to shit on Nijifags, that's close enough to caring right

>>65463033
>she was just a piece of the fuel
which is why I personally got disgusted with the culture war. I get your point about the (current) scale of events, but I'm still sympathetic to OP and the like, and I said previously why.

>>65463247
You're fighting ghosts. The people who care aren't the ones jumping on the bandwagon.

>>65456496
Anon, please, I'm begging you. How do I get paid to shitpost on this irrelevant website. I'm fucking begging you to tell me, I could really use the extra cash right now. Would probably offset the entire cost of my 5th fes trip. Doesn't even have to be NIJI, I'll say literally whatever they want here.

>>65453275
Welcome to the club

Anything that happens to someone in Niji, no matter how "good" they are, is funny to me. It's best when it's something bad enough to be added to the rentry list.

>>65453275
I care about her boobs

>>65453275
they are also using her as a scapegoat for niji management's wrong doings. grim.

>>65453344
Take that back, Selena Gomez is queen

>>65453275
I'm praying everyday to the yacht gods for Nijis demise. It's working.

>>65455743
Proof she tried to an hero?

>>65468397
If they have actual proof I hope they have the decency not to post it

>>65455743
>none of you care
Why the fuck should I care about the specifics? If the Chinese government is putting people into prison camps and starving them to death, should I concern myself with the identities of each person who dies there? No, I just generalize the issue. There is never any reason to hate someone for caring enough because no one is ever under any obligation to care except someone who is payed to, and guess what? That applies to fucking Nijisanji

>>65461830
>SIEG ZAION!!!
>streams on twitch
>o-on s-second thought…
Incredible conviction you got there, so dedicated that people won’t even keep a twitch tab open for her. This is all assuming that she would get more ccv on YouTube, which I honestly doubt since Twitch likely has the largest audience for indie vtubers.

>>65453275
>t. millie

>>65462460
Anon, if you're the Henyafag I talked with about the BiboovsHenya threads yesterday, reel in your retardation. If you're a separate Henyafag, I guess the problem is more general is and you're all weirdly susceptible to bait and making everything about your oshi.

>>65461830
Twitch is indie heaven man, the only indie yt chuubas are either old long dead pls or jp chuubas.

>>65468847
do elaborate. bait threads here are one thing, your oshi being used as a weapon against her will is another.

>>65468510
Or you could just fuck off from the board, faggoon.

>>65468966
A very large share of the commentariat on /vt/ don't use twitch, is the thing. Streaming on twitch is a good way to make yourself a literal who on /vt/

>>65468966
ex corpos gone indie do okay-ish on youtube

>>65469221
Elaborate on what? The Biboo bait threads? An anon brought up their existence on this board yesterday as proof some Holofags dislike Henya, despite everyone involved in the conversation, that anon included, knowing they are simply bait and falseflags, making the whole conversation regarding them meritless. The thread wasn't even about Henya, it was a random bait thread, some anon mentioned her and that Henyafag just had to rush to her defence.
Same thing in this thread. Following the reply chain, you're the one that effectively brought her up, unprompted (not mentioning her by name and instead dropping hints is more pathetic btw). There was no reason to drag her into this, and there is no reason we should be having this conversation at all. You guys just can't help yourselves.
/rant end
Don't even bother replying, I won't respond back.

>>65470161
>Holy schizo

why are Selen fans like this? can't they put their hatred for a company behind then for a second and care for the girl herself?

>>65470354
Anon, people do care for Selen, because they wouldn't be calling NijiEN out on their shit otherwise.
Hell it seems like the fans probably care for her more than most of Selen's coworkers, only 4 to 5 people wish the best for her, the 5th one being from VirtualReal but its still Niji affiliated. Meanwhile people like Millie are nowhere to be seen.

I care about Selen and her fat dragon tits

>>65470354
Why are (You) incapable of reading threads?

>>65457548
Tribalism to the point of mental illness. It's sports to certain people, and if a girl joins the wrong spots team they deam her dirty or unworthy. Not real fans, just empty shells of humans that live will hate someone they loved watching because of the holo/vshoujo brand. No core or personality, just brand recognition

>>65453275
strawmen aside, why care about her more than she does

>>65470161
now I remember, and yes, that was me also. you've no idea how sick and tired I am of all the tribalfaggotry going on here, so I decided to build a few bridges across some factions of the vtuber fanbase in this tiny corner of the internet.
why I'm using her as the example is pretty simple:
>she has always been the one who could reach into other fanbases and not get hated for it
>she's the only one I actively watch (which I realize puts me above most catalogfags who don't watch anyone)
>Don't even bother replying, I won't respond back.
you're welcome.

>>65453275
Smear it on a rag

>>65455440
least esl shitposter

>>65457548
lol

>>65453275
I do not care about her at all.

But I find her behavior amusing. It's like watching a wife so conditioned to being subject to daily abuse she barely reacts anymore. It's just another day, another beating, and new cracks on what little remains of her self respect.

It's kind of hot actually.

>>65461924
>Advocating for someone to kill themselves because company bad

>>65461033
>Yes it’s so big it’s gotten the whole vtuber space talking. I bet Selens return will break a record because everyone is talking about it
Fucking schizo

>>65453275
I actually used to watch her a lot. Then NijiEN went to shit and I lost interest. I'd watch her again if she left.

>>65453275
>smear Nijisanji name
there's something left to smear?

Its funny how all these people who only heard about Selen because of the drama are so opiniated about her.

>>65461454
Nta but they are perceived as scams because the interest rate on most accounts doesn’t keep up with inflation and this is not even counting recently when it’s increasing faster than normal. Then there’s banking errors so there are reasons why people believe it. That said there are good savings accounts that do pretty good dividends. If the goal is increasing your money a diverse portfolio is the way to go

>>65478767
I don’t watch selen and I don’t care about the drama, I mean she’s making near to over 6 figures working a quarter the average persons hours. But it’s crazy to me that these “people” aren’t even tourists they just say something objectively wrong that anyone who’s been here longer than a week could prove.

I don't regularly watch Selen, no, and I don't wish to engage with Vtuber gossip because I'm not a woman(derogatory)
BUT, from a pure observatory standpoint, Nijisanji smears itself by mismanaging EN. Or at least, failing to keep everything together enough to a point at which I'm not hearing about retarded internal conflicts or graduations every other week.
I don't hate Niji. It just seems like a fucking awful place to work.

>>65453275
dude stfu and go dilate your axe wound.