/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

there's only so many hours to watch vtubers in a day, anon

i dont even watch hololive what makes you think ill watch anyone else, im just a clipwatcher, no one has the time for all that

No, every does not deserve a chance.

>>65441027
Step 1) the chuuba should have a fat model
Not even joking I first started watching Mint Castella because she has a fat model, stayed because she's such a joy.

>>65441027
They have the mindset to stick to what they know (and think) are good. If they take the risk to watch another small corpo vtuber and realize that the content isn't as great, it is equivalent to time wasted. Better off rewatching old or missed out VODs of their hololive oshi amirite?

>>65441027
Just be like me and be European

>>65441027
>>everyone deserves a chance
lol no

no

>>65441027
Try not seething about Hololive.
The more animosity you show toward Hololive the more we will tell you to fuck off and suck a dick.

>>65441027
There are all sorts of holofans, but I think most of you/indies keep trying to appeal to the most entrenched coomer/incel/whale fans.

Some of us are interested in vtubing as a medium with many possibilities. So, when you show us a field of indies with a more and more narrow focus of gaming with sex jokes, then there is no appeal. In a sense, those indies are just lesser versions of popular corpo vtubers. Your OP pic is an example of the common L2D egirl slop that over-saturates the field of indie vtubers.

>>65441027
Heres a hint for you retarded shills. This ones a freebie:

Dont attack the audience you want to watch you.

I know. Crazy.

>>65441657
you have literally never watched Shee

>>65441719
And I don't even need to. That's the way it is and completely supports my claim. Everyone can tell from a glance that it's another unique (same as all the others) L2D slop chuuba.

>>65441027
I watch a few of the non obnoxious indies and corps that are somewhat like Hololive like 774.
I don't think I fit /vt/'s definition of hardcore holofag though, I think the best way to get people to like things outside the box is to get someone from inside to like them great example would be Bae and Miori or Polka and Himawari

If you want your oshi to get the Holoboost ask her if she knows any Holo talent, make sure she shows up in a collab or call in (birthday) that usually helps. also this >>65441517

>>65441657
>all sorts of holofans
yea like you a greyfag larping as a holo"fan".
>appeal to the most entrenched
wow go to where the money is, shocking to your greyfag self i know.

I just watch any chuuba that’s streaming a game I’m interested in watching these days. And I usually only watch parts of it before doing something else. I dunno how you guys can pay attention to streams for hours.

>>65441891
This is another great example of what not to do if you're trying to entice Holofan, don't take baits but also even if you do take them do not try to make it a numbers or money thing.

>>65441943
how would (You) perfectly respond to me then greyfag? show the indie.

>>65441719
Okay, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and actually looked them up. What I saw was exactly what I expected, she's a common tier L2D waifu character that only streams video games and asmr slop, and has a low quality mic, and anemic zatusdan. I'm sorry, but you have to understand that I'm not looking for a waifu. This chuuba does nothing for me, it's just a boring act that is intended for a different kind of audience. Unfortunately, that audience is monopolized by the big corpos so... life's a bitch, huh?

>>65441517
This. All the bait and antiposting from phase fans has made me hate the company and talents and I'll never even give them a chance now and will actively discourage friends and other people I know from watching them if they ask for recommendations or my opinions of them.

Everyone deserves a chance but no one is nearly as entertaining as Roboco, the shitter of the branch.

>>65441891
I don't even know what a greyfag is. Is it supposed to be something like grey man? I was never into that sort of thing and thought it was stupid. Or is it supposed to be about npc stuff? Again, stupid nonsense.
>>65441943
It's not even bait, but you make a good point in that the response or calling it bait isn't helping you either. All that is being posted as responses is making your indies have negative appeal at the moment. Like "Oh boy, I sure do wish to hang around a community of seething internet tough guys."
It's so bad that I would even be willing to believe that it's an anti doing false-flag "marketing" right now.

>>65441027
Begging people to watch chuubas is probably the least effective way to go about it. No one is obligated to give any chuuba views, follows, subs, or money. At the end of the day, everyone is going to do what they want and you can't force things.

>>65442196
Greyfags refer to non-paying fans on youtube, whose names are grey in chat as oppose to green who are the members. Greyfags only give vocal support and doesn't actually offer any actual support to the vtuber. One example of how little support they give is greyfags coming into Kiryuu Coco's free chat that was still up ONE MONTH after she graduated, just to ask "where she go?" "what happened?"
Anyway i thought you were the same anon, my bad.

>>65441657
This is confirmation bias mixed with Sturgeon's Law. Indie vtubing is big enough where hundreds if not thousands exist that DON'T do that, which is to say nothing of the many unique vtubers out there not held back by corporate expectations, from cooking vtubers to programming vtubers to straight up DIY vtubers.

>>65441286
t.deadbeat?

>>65441027
I mean before Advent debuted there were some Holofans that were jaded with Council's content and the inactivity of the branch as a whole. But thanks to Advent being a decent success, I doubt any holofans will feel the same way until maybe 2025.

>>65441027
>Honestly, what DOES it take for holofans to watch other vtubers outside OF hololive?
You're welcome , SEAchama.

>>65442600
autism spotted.

>>65442643
ESL spotted.

>>65442452
>grey in chat
Oh right, just say grey name or something then. I mean, you can give support in many ways like buying merch or even viewing. It's on the chuuba themselves to make the sale worth people's money. And there is a reason they don't all do member streams exclusively.
But it is a curious argument, right? Not only do they want fans of other chuubas to check out their favorite indie, but implicitly they also want you to financially support them. For that, I think it really is on them to make a good value proposition by offering something that people think is worth spending money on. Just begging won't help.

>>65442665
eeSL spoted
fix it, get to it autist boy

>>65441027
i gave guras sister a chance and shes cute and fat

>>65441286
Oomfie love

>>65442520
Nope, kfp

>>65441027
I gave 5 corpos and 4 indie 1 and 2 views a chance. Don't do it. There's nothing good there.

>>65442469
Not at all, there are probably millions of pizzas out there right now. But I don't have the time or appetite to eat them all. That said, some kinds of pizza I'm not going to eat.
It's great if someone uses a chuuba avatar for their dry as chalk coding stream, but that's not what I meant by pushing the medium, and I already know it's not for me. I know of maybe 5 indies total that actually push the medium and only one of them has palatable quality.

>>65442848
You’re dumb

I've probably watched hundreds of indies and almost a hundred corpos by now. I keep feeling that it's all so lackluster. Nothing beats something being new, but at the same time I keep coming back to watching old clips of the four heavenly kings. There is something fun and exciting that is missing from modern vtubing and indies like OP aren't the fix.

>>65441027
Now that the ravenwhore has shown her true colors, my schedule has space for one more EN chuuba, so pitch me your oshi OP
As long as she's not some grifting nijien or vshojo anything goes

>>65442690
>value proposition
I actually watch Shondo and Neuro outside Hololive, i don't support them at the same level as Hololive, but what they offered stand out.
(Also watch Ui mama but she basically an honorary Holo)

>>65441027
They don't realize that you can get high interaction rate through chat and you don't even have to be a paypig. Just be an interesting chatter.

>>65441027
>Everyone deserves a chance
>DESERVES
nobody deserves anything, retard
if you 2view is so good she should apply for hololive

>>65441027
It would take a fuck ton. I’m sure the other girls are nice, I’m just very commited to my oshi at this point

>>65442725
>spoted
Pathetic.

>>65443027
Not OP, but she's a hilarious dummy. Extremely female. Cursed with technical issues when she frequently does 3D, but watching her struggle through them is very entertaining. Plays a lot of horror games and shooters and collabs with indie Euro 2view friends alongside her corpo genmates and will stream for hours late into the night. Is a surprisingly good singer.
https://youtu.be/LFbMI73iPSM

>>65443017
It's the nostalgia anon. Exploration into a new medium is always exciting. I know vtubing hasn't been there for that long but it has been there long enough for one to feel jaded. We need more innovation, more vtubers to try and explore the medium further, bring it to new heights. Vtubers nowadays rather stick to tried and tested methods and that is why you feel this way.
I'll continue about how Advent feels mid because of that but I'll get flamed for it instead.

>>65443081
>Shondo
Don't really like her character or her jokes and baiting.
>Neuro
I think he's kind of annoying and the tech is less advanced than some think it is. The recent plush drama seemed pretty eye rolling and from the clip I got sent his blase attitude was annoying while he talked over the bot.

>Get home from work
>Going to watch videos
>A Vtuber I like is streaming
>Watch them
>Stream ends, time for bed.

>>65442192
>no one is nearly as entertaining as Roboco
:)
>the shitter of the branch
:(

>>65441027
>how do you get people who watch something because it's popular to watch something else
ehh make it popular?
y'know maybe get kinoshita to buy some viewbots or learn to metagame better like the big corpo winners of the past 2 years.

>>65443319
you are suppose to fix it.
too autistic to understand?

>>65443236
while I agree with you, I think it would do hololive good to have some sort of competition, otherwise we'll keep having other myth incidents, where 3/5 of them are to contempt with their position to care about streaming anymore.

>>65441027
>what does it take?
increase the human lifespan to 500 years

>>65443345
But it isn't the nostalgia. They were just better entertainers and their acts were crafted with effort, love, and care. Even one of their reincarnations does more interesting content than most vtubers today, but it's less vtuber-related content.

>>65443347
I don't support them enough to argue with you here.
I will call you a faggot if it is Hololive tho.

>>65441027
Concerts like HoloFes

>>65442452
Once again you're are doing something your oshi/indie whatever does not want you to do, i'm pretty sure nobody cares who a "truefan" or not is outside of those that pay, to the VTuber getting support is all that matters, "greyfags" can still SC or sticker or whatever, "greyfags" still bolster the CCV and Subs/ Follwers etc.

No, you are not better because you payed and the VAST MAJORITY of VTubers go out of their way to thank ANYONE that joins a stream and supports them.

>>65441027
I've tried in the past. Been disappointed and burned too many times to try any more. Only indie I somewhat watch at times anymore is Shondo now. Along with a few of the Phase girls rarely & Pomu when she's playing Pokemon, it's all I watch outside of Hololive now.

>>65443701 (me)
Forgot to also mention Otsuka Ray. Slipped my mind because I'm floundering my JP reps.

>>65443594
NTA but what it comes down to is that some people want to feel loved and special. It's hard to feel loved and special if you're told that you're as loved and as special as a rando that popped into chat and said hi. It breaks their fantasy and leaves them mindbroken after they've spent tens of thousands on a virtual entertainer, sorry I mean invested all that money into their relationship.

>>65443594
Sorry if you felt called out, but they are in it for money, if everyone are grey there be no vtuber.
>bolster the CCV and Subs/ Follwers
only numberfags benefit
Behind membership, the talents/livers are also more open because excluding people who pay to anti, are all allies.

>>65443820
sound like personal experience, sorry to hear that.

>>65443820
it's literally 5 dollars, just say you are a poorfag.

>>65443898
Obviously not. But why would you respond with that?
Projection. I'm sorry, anon.

>>65443363
As much as I love her she has absolutely nothing good going for her besides two great orisongs and maybe one or two memeworthy moments of her falling off her chair.

>>65443835
>if everyone are grey there be no vtuber.
except for people that do it for the love of it or people that get paid anyway because twtich/YT ads or how about those that do sponsorships

OH WAIT no it's impossible to make money unless it's from members guys did you all know that? did you know that VTubers only work if they're getting paid directly from members?

>>65444043
>no u
poor simp

I started by watching holo (not counting Kizuna Ai in the past), then as time progressed I started watching vspo too, and occasionally some of the girls from neoporte. I also like some niji members, but I don't really follow them much and rather watch some clips sometimes. I like some indies too. Karubi and Pururu are great, Uimama, also Rurudo when she actually streams. I also watch Patra for ASMR. Speaking of ASMR, I also like Koinoya Mai from propro, Karin from kemorifu and Mea from sleep monster.
I already watch a ton of stuff, but if I could clone myself, I'd want to check out the girls from Varium more. They have great looking models designed by hololive mamas and some of them are really good singers. I'd probably also watch more EN vtubers if I could clone myself, but I can't, so I pretty much only watch JP.
Btw at one point I used to mostly watch just my top oshi, but she's changed and I stopped caring about her. To be more precise she started to piss me off, so I stopped caring. Then I had another spell with an oshi that kinda changed and I wasn't that interested in her anymore. Now I don't really make any single top oshi I'd blindly follow and watch so that I'm not disappointed again, so I watch the vtubers I like when they do something I'm interested in.

>>65442774
Dude, you made me wanna grab something from burger king.

>>65443960
5 x 12 x (lifetime of streamer) x (other streamers you might support)

btw go ask your girl if she only appreciates members, clip it and bring the response here, if you can that is.

>>65444065
You do know members also buy merchs and other stuff right? Ads literally pay cents. Sponsorship when you have fans to buy what you promote.
Not hard to get.

>>65444081
No amount of posting will convince me I spent money I didn't and it wasn't you spending lmao.

>>65444137
>called poor
>immediately numberfag
kek can't make this shit up.

>>65444179
sorry you got scammed.

>>65441027
you dont want diehard hololive fanatics, best youll get is those who get disillusioned and dont just quit but move on to other vtubers.

>>65443835
>if everyone are grey there be no vtuber
This is completely false. There would be lots of vtubers, because it got popular before these income streams were viable.

>>65444231
I'm definitely crying about all the millions of $0 I spent. Please stop reminding me.

>>65444253
free to start or do as hobby, got to pay the bills unless you are rich.

>>65444288
whatever you say simp.

>>65444291
And? Whole companies paid the bills without simp bucks. It's only pretty recent that it became the default for most vtubers. So they would still exist and might even be much better than they are now.

>>65444245
You can't get diehard hololive fanatics in the first place. Seething about Holo doesn't help either.

>>65444335
Damn, must have really struck a nerve for you to keep this up.

>>65441891
Every grayfag can become a member

>>65444379
>Whole companies paid the bills
We talking about indies.
Companies need to earn money like anyone else. Are you just going to talk in circle?

>>65444414
I know you are a butthurt, but if are not a simp you don't need to reply you know? since i am not talking about you apparently, simp.

1. Don't stream on Twitch.
2. Be on Holodex.
That's it. That's all you need.

>>65444508
Sorry, anon. You're right I made a mistake. Let me ask you this question: Are you dense? Do you not know how people make money from content creation? Do you actually believe that the only way to make money is with the promise of reading akasupas or tip messages? How old are you exactly?

It seems like you have no comprehension of how the internet functioned and still functions to a large degree.

>>65444566
Lmao, this is what I get for criticizing and making fun of simps, huh? You're totally not projecting because of hurt feelings, right anon?

>>65444508
>>65444291
>>65443835
>making money from content is not possible without membership or donos
Bruh, are you for real?

>>65444670
>talking in circle like retard
i see you can't read, then i wasted my time, bye retard.

>>65444724
and the simp keep talking, go back to getting scam loser, don't have time for you to whine to me, see ya.

>>65444791
My guy it was explained to you. What circles? It's not the only way to make money, you're an actual genuine imbecile.

>>65444783
sorry your oshi is poor.

>>65444828
Wow, who was it that hurt you and scammed you?

>>65444862
Many content creators are more wealthy from content creation than the most popular vtubers.

>>65444508
>>65443835
Not only is it not the only way for content creators to earn money, but it's not even the best paying way. Even hololive in their recent report showed that streaming makes up a very small part of their revenue streams and it has been plateauing for a while. Your argument that vtubing wouldn't exist today is without merit when we look at successful independent content creators and successful companies alike. Some of you losers are so narrowly stuck on your tiny little segment of the internet and don't understand how anything works. You've somehow convinced yourself that buying akasupas is necessary to keep the lights on.

>>65441027
I just watch my oshi almost exclusively and my oshi is not in hololive.

>>65441027
I would guess most people are scared of interactions. You can have an actual conversation with a small chuuba, while spamming emotes, jokes and memes will make you look like a retard.

>>65441027
Who's this cutie and why does she deserve a chance?

>>65443835
why are paypiggers so delusional? For some reason they think if not for their 5 bucks the girl would suck dicks behind the corner instead of being a vtuber.

>>65441027
>what it takes for holofans to watch other vtubers outside hololive?
I won't do that
>Everyone deserves a chance, right?
If they get into Hololive, sure. Then if they suck we flame them.
Next question.

>>65447182
She is Shee. I don't watch her enough so I can't describe her well but this anon did so feel free to read >>65443324

>>65444615
>holodex
>non hololive is there
I hate that shit site.

>>65441027
For being a contrarian website I'm surprised to still see a lot of holo fans, actually
And no, being a niji fan doesn't count as contrarian either

>>65444197
Doing basic math to create a budget isn't numberfagging, holy shit anon you're so dumb lmfao

>>65443345
>explore the medium further, bring it to new heights
My nigga it's just streaming. Having a png instead of a facecam doesn't change anything.

>>65441027
You would need to pull my teeth to watch any production black company bitch the sooner this corpo under the better