/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

probably not

>>65396965
if selen and pomu graduate then yeah

If they lose Selen, then 100%.
Phase is like 10 legit chuubas deep now. The foundation to keep the company strong is there. They have a squad with Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Lumi, Shiina, Muyu, Eimi, Panko.

>>65396965
No because Pippa has permanently stained their brand.

>>65397482
>stained brand
someone should tell Nijisanji and vshojo. Each of them have sent 2 of their tip top girls to collab with Phase

>>65396965
>Will Phase Connect pass NIJIEN by the end of 2024?
In terms of popularity? Depends on the market and how all the new gen does. Not really sold on them myself. Especially the used up Tsun goods. But when it comes to market share, of course not. Fishman would rather sell coffee than produce merch people would actually want to invest in.

In terms of respect they've already passed NijiEN. That's all that really matters in the end despite what brown numberniggers say.

I think they will. People saying "no" are not factoring in Niji's decline. Phase incline is real.

>>65396965
Probably
Phase is better at hiring talents

while I do say no, Phase Connect is the best EN small corpo that has ever existed.
at what point do they get put into a different class?

Phase has dire scheduling problems. Their 6-9 streamers do nothing but cannibalize each other.
If they can master the art of working the schedule and viewer funneling, they could be cruising

>>65397205
I agree with this. Nijien right now lives and dies on what happens with Selen.

Though Phase really needs to start getting a real foothold in Japan, being a west-only company is not that good.

>>65398643
>>65398761
Well it's not even Western considering almost everything happens at PST. Panko being in Italy has unironically done a lot for her. Phase has the same problem as most of NijiEN, in that it's "Live within these four to five hours" and that's about it. They are all isolated to one frame of time. A lot of people that consume vTubers prefer live streams. And if I already have a preferred talent in that timeframe, why would I bother with one of the new hires?

>>65396965
Will holofags stop trying to start a flame war between nijifags and phasefags?

>>65398643
last night they only had 3 people at the same time
>1900 Lia
>1400 Muyu
>800 Dizzy
now imagine that with Shiina, Lumi, Runie who were off/different time that night. Now you have Jelly trying to jump in there sometimes for some reason.

>>65396965
They would have to pass the other 11 corpos first

>>65398643
I agree with this. Like I understand that the vast majority of the girls are from america, but damn try to spread the streams a bit.

>>65398987
Early returns, but Panko is getting her skull crushed by the new Muyu. Her Christmas stream only did like 400-500

>>65398761
>Buy Nasa blanket
>Sub to Nasa
>Watch Nasa streams
>its 75% english speakers telling her how cute she is
>25% japanese comments

I feel like her audience is mostly westerners wanting her and Da Michi to succeed as much as Tenma, Lia, and Pippa.

>>65396965
More like NijiEN falling behind Phase

>>65398643
I don't think they have scheduling issues, there's some overlap, but they cover most hours of the day. Only dead hours are overnight for NA.

>>65399611
>Forgetting about Iori
Everything hurts for those three.

>>65399303
Anon they have 4 streams live right now

>>65396965
Feet connect.

>>65401241
There's a new JP generation coming soon as hinted by the Christmas merch, now that their english audience is strong they'll be able to focus more on the JP side.

>>65401244
in 5 hours they will have anywhere from 4 to 8 streams live

>>65396965
God I wish I was Lia's brother

>>65396965
Phase has a ceiling on how big they can get with Pippa as their flagship talent.

nijien has practically negative momentum, literally why would any new viewers start watching them at this point

Why do people care so much about overlap? Just watch who you want to watch right?

>>65401893
Phase Connect is more than 1 talent. A part of their strength is they don't just focus and push 1 talent.

>>65401893
People have been saying this for almost 3 years now.
Keep in mind this is Phase's company portfolio:
>Viewership wise, Pippa is bigger than nearly all Nijis
>Tenma is a legit 4view
>Shiina, Lia, Lumi, Panko are high 3views and pop 4view every week
>debuted a new gen with at least 2 legit 4views
>4 youtube playbuttons
>have worked 1on1 with the likes of Pomu. Henya, Neuro, Filian
>have had major sponsorships with mahong soul
>only 1 talent graduated in almost 3 years
this is unprecedented for what started as an indie-size group.

>>65402261
They're still rooted in pandering to 20 something edgy incels from 4chan

>>65396965
Fuck these safe edgy whors

>>65398643
>>65399303
They would have less combined views if they followed whatever retarded schedule you would try to force on them.
They would have even less combined views if they stayed on your retarded schedule for a month.

>>65403002
Those 20 incels seem to be enough to have multiple 4views streams going on at the same time. Chances are that you're also overestimating the amount of viewers Niji EN girls are getting these days.

>>65401893
The fish is starting to push Panko for a reason.

>>65403246
Pandering to edgy incels from 4chan is a good business strategy up to a point but it puts an upper limit on their growth

>>65402924
>debuted a new gen with at least 2 legit 4views
you don't know that. it is WAY too early to lock in ANYTHING with gen3.
reminder Idol's Gen2 all were 4view for their first full month, then high 3view, and now they have settled in at mid 3view
Phase Invaders2 all started out as high 3views then settled in as mid 3view

>>65403134
I would if I could

>>65403287
>starting to
he has been force pushing shiina, panko and rie for the better part of a year.
muyu is panko but better in every single way. she is the undisputed #1 cunny in phase now.

the gen2s are all kinda in no-mans-land. they aren't protected class like the gen1's who will always be the flagship, and they aren't the new hype toys nepo hires like all of gen3. they are just kinda there. total middle child syndrome. only shiina is worth a damn.

Genspam could ruin them. They are teetering the line of being bloated right now.
Unless they poach a too good to be true big name as an invader, they should not introduce a new talent for at least a year

It's not about phase passing them, it's about NijiEn DNF'ing at this rate.

>>65398987
Wait, I never watched anyone from phase but I'm interested in EU chuuba. Tell me about this... Panko?

>>65403703
yeah I think they ought to wait a while. their new gen is very well-received but there are like fucking what, 20+ girls in the company now? if the new gen is successful in attracting new fans then they need to give it time for the benefits to circulate around the company - half year -at least-. holoEN waited 2 years to put out advent and it was worth it - but actually, it was like a year+ overdue IMO.

so I think phase should wait between 6 months to a year-ish for new Invaders or a new gen, unless it's to take on like 1 single invader - basically, just let in Lisa if she wants and do nothing else. she would be good as an Invader because her current model is just so good and distinctive, only this time I think Fishman would have to promise that she can keep it as her IP if she left, otherwise she probably wouldn't bite seeing what happened to Yuri.

>>65398643
I watch Lia, Pippa, and Uruka specifically because they stream when I'm able to watch. I like everyone else just fine but anyone who isn't in that 6-11 timeslot will not get a view from me because I'm just not available.

>vshojo hires Pippa & Tenma to be with their friend Henya
>niji hiires Lia to be with her friend Pomu
>vshojo then hires Pomu & Lia to be with their friends Henya, Selen, Pippa and Tenma
would it be kino?

>>65403906
>holoEN waited 2 years to put out advent and it was worth it
I think the biggest reason Phase Connect gen 3 is doing well is because Advent is pretty fucking boring

>>65404003
>Phase Connect gen 3 is doing well
it has been 8 days. come back on February 1st and show where they are at.
Again, IdolEN looked like they had 4views with Coni & Roca. They are great size for small corpo talents at 400-500ish, but they aren't 4views like /vt/ promised after.

>>65404108
"Doing well" is relative

>>65403948
The fishman is too damned likable. I don't think there's a CEO that is as meme-able as he is other than Yagoo.

Unless there was some ludicrous dollars on the line, I can't imagine any of them jumping ship for anyone short of Hololive.

>>65403948
why in god's name would Lia ever go to NIJISANJI and Tenma to vshojo? they have both proven they can collab with and get connections to who they want at their size.

>>65403896
it's Panko. she has the same mama as Shion. she is indeed italian but generally doesn't lean into that and in fact tries real hard to avoid being typecast from it, besides a handful of italy-themed streams.

>>65403896
https://twitter.com/i/status/1735078876517191770

>>65404295
Does she like pasta and pizza? I'm a big fan of itallan cooking

>>65404295
and of course I forgot to say she's streaming right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIbY0-LQP8

>>65404295
watch Muyu instead.
She is cuter, better singer, more entertaining, a harder worker, and has unlimited potential.
buy Muyucoin now before it is too late.
Muyu is the 4th pillar of Phase with Pippa, Lia and Tenma.

>>65404205
>>65403948
There ain't no way Lia could get away with doing her Monday streams in any other corpo.

>>65404343
unironically yes, more pasta than pizza however. she's only addressed this a few times really because like I said she doesn't want to be known as "lol it's the italian one" but rather for her actual content. very Gura-inspired IIRC.

>>65404344
>chilla slop
oh she is one of those. pass

>>65404387
when does this muyu stream?

>>65404344
How does she have 1100 viewers with only 44k subs?

>>65404436
In 1 minute

>>65404444
she got raided by a gen3.

>>65404387
cringy loli rp

>>65404444
Growth mostly fueled by stream viewers. Phase clips don't do well.

>>65404444
Phase floor seems to be 30k subs

>>65404344
>>65404295
I'll check her out, thanks.

>>65404444
Raids.

>>65404444
phase girls all have high retention but she was normally more like 4-500-ish range until the new gen, which is being passed around to the older girls because a lot of the old phase talents were actually very good, good as any you'd expect for cute girl's content, they just were in the small corpo rut of not being famous for being famous yet like Niji.

Just because half of Phase Connect's viewerbase is resident here on /vt/ doesnt mean they are going to the moon.

>>65404546
pippa was the most /here/boosted chuuba probably in history and is legit in Holo range these days basically, it doesn't get much better than that especially for a small corpo.

>>65404444
like everybody not named pippa, tenma or gen3: raids.

>>65404343
Anything that uses tomatoes, corn, potatoes, or spicy peppers is American food since all those come from the Americas. That's why yurofags seethe about MUH BREAD, because that's all they had to eat before they got good American things like tomatoes. You may not like it but it's true.

>>65404387
Panko sits in the ideal area for a loli vtuber where all of the "uooohhh cunny" shit is limited to /vt/ and it's not something she constantly brings up unlike Muyu. Muyu trying so hard actively repels people like me.

>>65404546
No one says this
>>65404602
Pippa's fanbase is /pol/

>>65402924
That other anon is kinda right though. A Pippa-led phase connect would have the highest ceiling of any EN Corpo outside of the Big 2, and maybe Vshoujo. The issue is that ceiling is absolutely hard capped since no big advertiser will really give them a chance as long as Pippa is their rep. Credit to fishman though since he realized this a looong time ago, hence why the initial attempt to isolate Pippa (which went badly) and the more recent attempt at trying to make the new girls and some of the safer old guards be the Center. Not the ace or the star of the group, just the center. It's like how Sora is the Center of Hololive despite not even being a mid-level holo.

>>65404657
That's not how it works
Tomatoes were imported, they became part of European cuisine

>>65404717
>big advertiser will really give them a chance as long as Pippa is their rep
where is holoENs mahjong soul sponsor? Genshin sponsor?

>>65404774
>Genshin sponsor
is this supposed to be impressive? Mihoyo deals are dime a dozen big deal what next you gonna brag about GamerSups?

>>65404774
Bro Hololive collabs with governments

>>65404680
cope. Muyu is now the cunny queen in Phase.
It is just the way it is.
She will also always get preferential treatment because she is essentially a pseudo-gen1 and goes back a long long ways with Sakana, Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Uruka

She could be a 2view and Sakana would use her in prominent spots. Muyu being huge and being the next to get to 100k is just a bonus.

ffs Panko wasn't even picked for Mahjong sponsors and is never relied on for con stuff, that is how little they think of her.

>>65404829
Hmm is that why holos do unironic raid shadow legends sponsorships instead, raid shadow legends is a more discerning sponsor for the enlightened holo viewer

>>65404956
>she is essentially a pseudo-gen1 and goes back a long long ways with Sakana, Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Uruka
isn't saya the same?

>>65405112
Nope. Not on that level.
There are levels to the Phase nepo-hire game. Muyu is already looked at as a company mascot and ace of her gen.
She is by far Sakana's favorite. Back in the day as Purin he would hang out in her streams while his own talent were streaming and akasupa her.

>>65404774
Anon, like >>65404918 said, Hololive unironically collabs with governments (JP scpecifically). They also have their own meet and greets across the globe and get regularly sponsored by (funnily enough) Tencent, Kadokawa, Sony, CR, etc. I'm assuming that's fishman's ultimate goal. Being able to have companies come to him and ASK for a collab instead of shopping the girls around and relying on donations. It's not even that farfetched of a dream either. Holo was absolutely dependent on superchat revenue all the way up to the meshi curry sponsorship. Fishman is trying to duplicate that scenario but that doesn't happen until he can get an "advertiser-friendly" face for his company.

>>65404956
I don't think it's ever been belittling, Panko is on her second life from my understanding. She's doing incredibly well career wise and I am sure we will see her at the forefront of events this coming year. Reminder that all the girls got to have con experience.

>>65405112
not at all. she graduated tsunderia before phase even existed.

purin essentially lived in the cross company mincraft server where sakana, pippa, tenma, lia, and uruka were forced to mine as playdates.
i dont remember kana ever interacting with gen1 or them really speaking of her any which way.

>>65404344
>(pretending to be) scared of this shitty game
Why are women like this?

>>65405347
>forefront of events this coming year.
her time has come and gone.
they put her at the forefront on most of their con adverts this year, and she never did anything at them because she is not reliable.
this next year of con advertisements will not have her, rather muyu. bet.

>>65404680
>>65404387
Is Panko even considered cunny? she seems way too chubby for the average loli model

>>65405594
The Phase hierarchy is complex and it isn't all based around numbers. I would probably say Panko is like 12th in the Phase hierarchy.

>>65403896

>>65318974
nice deflection.

>>65406004
the flagship untouchable unfuckwithable
>pippa
>tenma
>lia
>uruka

has sakana's ear and is essentially a double agent manager
>dizzy
>shiina

has influence, but thinks they are more important than they actually are
>lumi

protected by either sakana himself or managers
>muyu
>jelly
>airi
>hime

i'd say panc is 12/13th or so. could be lower depending on who hina, runie, eimi knows

>>65406004
that seems a bit low.

>>65406418
lemon hands wrote this

>>65403896
PANKO ENEMIES
>Pippa (hates her 'co-co-co-director' joke)
>Xalabussy (banned the word 'manko' in discord)
>Pope Francis (she thinks he is illegitimate and that Ratzinger is the true pope back when he was alive RIP)
>Production Kawaii (promoted the gen3 traitors who left that corpo in ruins)
>The Bank (they canceled her credit card)
>Customer Support (she screamed at them when the bank cancelled her card)
>American pizza places (they put pineapple on pizza)
>Kiwifarms (censors Panko for being too 'cunny')
>Tenma (would break 1k more often if Panko didn't overlap-steal 200 viewers from her timeslot)
>Americans (they are all BLACK and FAT)
>Russians (they are all CHINESE)
>Chase (he got banned and she 'doesn't care')
>Yuri (Panko gossiped about Yuri's termination on stream on the same day as her termination)
>Jojo fans (they are cringe)
>Airi (she hated collabing with Panko so much, she killed her 12 times with Portal 2 crushers)
>her Neighbors (they hate her for streaming loudly at night)
>Summer (makes her drip with sweat)
>Lia (would 'sell out' pankophiles to the FEDs)
>Nintendo (she emulates Mario 64 instead of buying the overpriced remake on the Switch for $60)
>Poko (Panko hates her for 'copying her' and being a raccoon)
>Pako (Panko's A.I hates her so much, she now calls herself Pako)
>/#/ and the Catalog (she ran bannedvtmemes before it got banned)
>5 dollar guy (he paid 5 dollars and panko ignored his supa)
>the Indians from India (uses indian accent for Naughty Naughty meme)
>her Mother (mamma mia she is too loud)
>Fuyo (they collabed once then Panko said that Fuyo 'ghosted her')
>Insects (they scare her and she hates them)
>Italian ISP (shitty quality and service, it keeps going down)
>Jongers (she refuses to learn mahjong)
>Remi (Panko hates her for 'faking it')
>Trannies (she played the Harry Potter game)
>Effortfags (they hate her for being 'lazy')
>Idolcorp and the jews (the only vtuber to not tweet about Idol EN2 debuts, even Pippa talked about them)
>Hostages (Pankophiles stole the squibs and claims that Panko is the originator)
>Meet and Greeters (she canceled her meet and greet cards)
>Jelly (jealous of Jelly during Phase Weekly and later said "Jelly Who")
>Footfags (she took 5 hours to post an image of her feet instead of doing it right away)
>Chumbuds (use her as a Gura substitute then grow to hate her for being lazy like Gura)
>Her local Italian Pizzeria (she plans to order pineapple pizza for her 50k)
>manga publishers (she pirated Goodnight Pun Pun manga)
>Nepotism Hires (Panko is the only member of PC with zero relation to any senior member before auditions)
>Tamagotchi owners (got bored of her Tamagotchi in 2 weeks)
>Donald Trump (she made fun of his hair and tan)
>Rie (she eata da dog)
>/pcg/ (you keep saying that she is 'brown')
>Iida Pochi (she stole the /wao/ name from the pankophiles)
>Fishman (he revealed gen 3 while she was streaming and didn't include her in the video)
>Wemi (she didn't sing the waid song)
>FishFUCK again (he lied to her)

>>65403331
>upper limit
Yeah, (you)'ve been saying that ever since Pippa was a 3view, but for some reason this limit keeps going up and up until now where she's hitting higher averages than all one of them might be a close call Niji EN girls.
Your definition of "pandering" also makes no sense to begin with, or you're just exaggerating the amount of pandering that Pippa/Phase do.

>>65402924
>only 1 talent graduated in almost 3 years
What are you talking about? Phase has had no graduations.

>>65396965
No. because Niji has the chinese market.

>>65404343
She did a Spaghetti Carbonara cooking stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX4Vau9Q0jc

>>65397482
>hobby of predominantly males who dislike commies
>commies on twitter "truly this will be the end of pink rabbit, this time"
Why are you people always trying to fuck up every nerd hobby lmao. Go get a life, unironically.

>>65398643
Some of them like Lumi and Tenma stream primarily on twitch. Pippa's viewers follow her in either direction. Most of the girls stay on youtube.

It's funny seeing how much blatant astroturfing phase is getting lately, incredibly shameless

>>65404774
Are you retarded? Cover doesn't do business with the Chinese.

>>65396965
NijiEN might not exist by the end of 2024.

>>65407293
That was my cheeky point, good job spotting it

>>65407257
It honestly feels like the same amount of threads. Maybe these threads aren't dying fast enough anymore? Phase feels like they exist while the drama is everywhere else right now.

>>65407568
Phase had a triple stack of drama to start the year with Lia, Pippa and Yuri. They have been good girls ever since.

>>65396965
The bigger Phase members are already consistenyly above the NijiEN shitters. Tenma is a casual 4view now.

>>65407568
No, Phase just has an overwhelming audience here, therefore their posters are everywhere.

>>65407257
The company is in a very unprecedented position and they just released new talents with extremely strong debuts. Why would you think the recent attention is inorganic?

>now Hina keeps jumping into the overlap timeslot
what is wrong with this company do they not have managers/schedulers?

>>65407938
The only one of those that went beyond /vt/ screeching was Yuri leaving. Was pretty funny seeing how professionally Phase handled that graduation when you compare it to what Niji did with Zaion at the same time.

>>65408395
Overlap = more viewers.
Streaming at shit times = less viewers.

>>65408497
Phase could have legit legit 4views in the 6-7-8 spot if things were stacked correctly. Instead, they will all take viewers from each other.

>>65408552
Overlap = more viewers.
Streaming at shit times = less viewers.

It's simple. You aren't that smart. They are streaming at the times that are best for them.

>>65407938
>>65408132
To me it feels like antis are too busy in other threads that's why it feels peaceful here since they would typically jump and bury small Phase topics. Guess all the other stuff is juicier.

>>65396965
Still not watching Pippa Connect.

>>65396965
>by the end of 2024?
Probably, unless there's another yuri situation it's a safe bet

>>65398643
>Phase has dire scheduling problems. Their 6-9 streamers do nothing but cannibalize each other.
It's literally just a Pippa issue, the rest of the phase girls have schedules and Pippa will just random guerilla stream over them

>>65401241
Iori needs a complete redebut with kayfabe

>>65408665
Well yeah, this board lives to dunk on Niji and just look at what they're going through.

tonight phase will have the following overlapping
>shiina
>lumi
>lia
>dizzy
>hina
>eimi
>runie
>pippa

>>65401893
>>65403002
Anon you are incredibly out of touch to the appeal of the phase girls, they are basically early NijiEN except they appeal to men and their management listen to talents/fans
I think your time on /vt/ has poisoned you objectivity

>>65396965
In yabs? Probably not.

>>65407257
>astroturfing
/pcg/ is one of the fastest and one of the biggest generals on the board
they are just popular with people using 4chan and they have grown a lot the last months

>>65404444
Hololive and Nijisanji have the benefit of a gigantic amount of brand support, people subscribe to talents they never intend to really watch
Phase doesn't have that much brand power yet but the individual streamers are growing at a steady rate, early this year Panko was having a hard time hitting 100 CCV, nevermind 1000

>>65404680
>Muyu trying so hard actively repels people like me.
Muyu is literally going to be the queen of the company in 2024

>>65407257
anon they are the only vtubers corpo still actively growing, of course they are popping up a lot

>>65409329
there is no queen of Phase Connect. That is why Phase is strong is they don't cap talents and cripple their growth in favor of another.
There are no Mio's, Nene's or Rin's in Phase Connect.

>>65397205
>10
lmao no, only Pippa and Lia, I would say Tenma but she doesn't even have her own split here, Phase is still mostly a bunch of nobodies, meanwhile Majority of Luxiem and Noctyx are still active plus Pomu, Rosemi,Ena and Elira are still there.

>>65408962
Pippa streams at the same time five days a week...

>wins major vtuber award for top rising corpo
>are currently rising
weird

>>65409421
Muyu is 1000% going to take over the company, this is going to be a huge debuff year for Pippa and Muyu is going to become their biggest streamer, she's fueled by a lot of good karma and the hunger of a 2view

>>65409703
Muyu and Pippa have completely different appeals, that won't happen.

>>65409703
she might be a numberniggers favorite phase, but there is no queen of Phase Connect
and, if there was, Muyu would be probably 4th or 5th in line.

>>65409588
Without a schedule, she has a schedule of what times all the other girls will be streaming at, she just refuses to not stream over them
Pippa is addicted to streaming over other Phase girls, she knows better, she admits it during stream that "I'd rather watch X girl right now" but she never does, despite having zero reason to stream over these girls because it wasn't a planned stream, it's just a guerilla react content stream

>>65409786
>>65409806
It's not an argument, none of us will convince each other of anything, but Muyu will be the top streamer in the company, it's going to happen

>>65409806
/vt/ and numbers tell you it's Pippa
listening to the talents themselves, they'll tell you Tenma
according to who has gotten Phase some of their highest profile streams in front of new viewers and presented as ambassador for the company, it's Lia
now the new wave of SEAs have jumped off Panko and will tell you Muyu is the one
but also Jelly is gonna be the face of the company because she is the best idol

>>65409916
She could be, but Pippa will still have her audience and continue to grow.

>>65409832
>streams at the same time and on the same days every week
Sounds like a schedule to me, retard-chama.

>>65409832
>guerilla react content stream
this has never, ever happened. Every time she does a react stream or says she'd rather be watching someone else it's at her planned regular time.

>>65409832
Pippa streams at 9 PM EST always unless she has a collab.

>>65410123
>>65410148
>>65410210
>planned regular time
>has no schedules
>she admits her streams are just random bullshit
I like Pippa but at some point you have to hold her accountable for hurting the other girls, she needs to have a schedule so that the other girls can plan around not streaming in the same time, saying
>well uh, pippa always randomly streams sometimes in this time
Is bullshit and you know it, the company is finally growing and this lazy shit of not posting schedules needs to stop

>>65404295
That’s all right. Panko’s biggest draw to EUbros, including Italians, is what time she streams, not her nationality.

Alright sell me on phase. Are they unicorn-friendly or vshojo-tier?

>>65410007
this is what I'm saying. Phase Connect's foundation is so strong at the moment.
They have have like 8 girls that are allowed to drive the bus at any given time, where as other corpos has girls who can do that but are never allowed to because they have to take a backseat for a chosen one.

>>65410076
>but Pippa will still have her audience and continue to grow
Pippa's plans are to debuff herself on the west coast traveling this year doing videos instead of streaming as much, her growth will probably be decided on whether or not her videos are actually entertaining for a new audience

>>65409421
Pippa is absolutely still the queen of Phase Connect. Phase just happens to be a constitutional monarchy where a bunch of other people are powerful enough to counteract the Queen.

>>65410459
Half and half, definitely not vshojo tier but there are some male collabs with some of the retarded girls like Pippa and Tenma

>>65410539
>queen of Phase Connect
>wasn't picked by Sakana to accept Phase's company biggest honor in front of 35,000 people
>don't even think she was shown in the company highlight video

>>65410373
Just avoid 9 PM bro. You need to develop an audience that is resilient enough to deal with Pippa overlap anyway. Especially if everyone wants to jam themselves into evening NA hours.

>>65410373
what the fuck are you talking about? Pippa streams Tuesday through Saturday at 9EST

>>65410373
I don't have to write down what days I work into a calendar to know my work schedule. You just want a fancy graphic of what her stream plans are for the week and waiting rooms. You can call her lazy for not planning ahead, but saying she doesn't have a schedule is retarded. Everyone in Phase definitely know what Pippa's usual streaming time is...

>>65410459
Neither. If everything was on a scale it would be:

Vshojo-Idol-Niji Girls-PC-Kawaii-Holo EN

>>65410630
Fuck what the company thinks, we’re talking about the fanbase. Pippa has an overwhelming plurality of the whole fanbase’s mindshare. Let’s not delude ourselves. Phase has plenty of talents who are starting to shine, and it’s the corpo’s strong point. I agree with you on all of that shit, especially since I think Runie is now my oshi (i don’t have an oshi right now, so far I’ve been enjoying the phasebox).
If Pippa weren’t still so popular, fishman wouldn’t feel the need to downplay her. Based on what Pippa has said in the past, she’s almost certainly fine with it because she wants less attention too.

>>65411038
>i think Runie is now my oshi
grim. the new soulless holobronie phase is attracting is sad.

>>65396965
Literally who?

There's a possibility.

>>65410641
>>65410710
>>65410735
I'm not going to reach you guys because you are Pippa fans first and don't really care about Phase as a whole, but she's 100% been hurting the new girls as opposed to helping
I'm not saying Pippa needs to be streaming before every fucking girl in Phase and raid into them, but whenever she raided into one of the girls it definitely affected the algorithm and helped the 3view girls in Phase grow.
Pippa and management probably have some sort of bullshit mindset that
>pippa's fanbase should be quarantined to pippa's streams only so there are less issues
And this is a bad mindset to have, Phase needs to start having better scheduling, and this includes Pippa, I'm tired of wanting to fight over what fucking stream I have to watch, I already have my TV and computer set to 2 different fucking streams when there are huge parts of the day when there aren't any girls streaming at all

>>65411418
>whenever she raided into one of the girls it definitely affected the algorithm and helped the 3view girls in Phase grow
all the biggest growers in 2023 for Phase (Tenma, Lia, Shiina, and Panko) have gotten no raids (ZERO) from Pippa this year. They all stream before her.

Pippa has not helped Uruka, Airi, Hime, Remi, Erina grow. They are the ones who get the Pippa raids.

>>65411418
I'm unclear about what you're wanting, but if it's for Pippa to have a hard Hololive-style schedule fixed a week in advance that ain't gonna happen.

>>65411667
To be fair, no one can help Hime grow. She is horrible at managing her own content and fanbase, obviously to her own detriment.

>>65411752
Which one is Hime?

>>65411667
i would also argue lia has the most crossover with pippa and her fanbase, and she has not been exposed to pippa's fanbase in 7 months now. during that 7 months, lia grew a fuckload and she did it without literal any pippa collabs/raids.
the only collab lia and pippa have had in 7 months now is a single watchalong out of both of their timeslots.

>>65411154
I’ve been a phasefag for over a year.

>>65396965
lmao fuck no
Niji spends 100mln$ a year on marketing, sure, mostly in chink land, but if they ever shift the spending a bit to the EN branch niji will go to being the most recognizable vtuber company
people really dont get how much a 200mln$ revenue allows you to do vs tiny corpos like phase

then again niji dosnt seem to care since most of their revenue is aoutside the west

>>65411801
The SJW that hates JK Rowling because Rowling dislikes men larping as women

>>65409703
>>65409916
I appreciate you're balls deep in the honeymoon phase but it's really too early to call the new phase girls, least of all start claiming one of them is going to overtake Pippa as the companies flagship. Once she starts catching the eye and opening doors with notable names in the industry then you can start talking.

>>65411801
The one in gen2 with twintails.
>>65411752
Do you mean she always streams debuff games or something? I like her non-gaming streams where she’s doing stuff like doing psychoanalysis on the other Phase members.

>>65412038
I thought the Korean dog was the one who hated Rowling?

>>65411418
I made a schedule for you. I hope it helps.

>>65412208
Thank you. Now they can finally incline.

>>65412057
>Once she starts catching the eye and opening doors with notable names in the industry then you can start talking.
Yup. Muyu is well behind Pippa, Lia, Tenma, Lumi, and Hime in this regard.

If all you're going to do with your big audience is stream to them and not try to help grow Phase, then you're not the Queen or a part of the flagship. All of the above have carried Phase in that regard trying to gain Phase exposure.

>>65412130
Nah the korean dog is an overworked OL that needs a good dicking every day so that she doesnt explode of stress

>>65412362
the new Muyu fags don't know that, once the shiny new your wears off, she is going to spend most of her streams playing Minecraft. This is what she did for 3 years.

>>65406418
This is a reasonably accurate breakdown of the Phase totem pole. I would argue Dizzy is maybe #3 because she is a legit pseudo talent manager. She has gotten like 4 girls jobs in Phase.

>>65396965
Honestly, I think the real question is if nijien will pass Phase on their way down.

>>65396965
If this thread has taught me anything it's that phase shills have increase exponentially since 2022.

Buy an Ad

>>65411962
You can spend a billion a year on ads but if your talents are unlikable the retention will be very small. Phase punches so hard above it's weight because a lot of it's talents are likable and I think importantly they don't have an overall air feeling of arrogance or entitlement to them like I sometimes feel from Holo/Niji/Vshojo sometimes seeming like they sniff their own farts and are too good to address the petty rabble common fans with actual real common concerns. Phase is very humble / self-mocking which is about the right head space to be in for a cottage industry as ridiculous and strange as this.

>>65414367
You don’t get a feeling of arrogance or entitlement from Pippa?

>>65414167
>phase shills have increase exponentially since 2022
As did their fans.

>>65414367
>phase punches so hard
deluded retarded phasekeks shill when your new gen not even month old is dipping into 3 views zone having numbers like homostarsEN

>>65414447
Not really? Compare to someone like Gura where she is clearly too good and busy to talk to her fans anymore or Holo itself and the entire company acts like we are not worthy of being given the honest truth explanation of what the fuck is going on with her.

Or to the million times a nijiEN has shit on his or her fans as just being jokes who only need to be mocked because they are too fucking dumb to stop paying them money for it. Pippa is loud and connected but has not yet sanitized herself remotely as much as she could have and not yet denounced all her old fans in a nyanners moment. People have said she will eventually turn her back on everything that got her where she is and it could still happen eventually, but so far years down the line she still has not. People who are entitled / arrogant see nothing wrong with punching down and she doesn't do that at all.

>>65396965
Nijifans are corpo bootlickers. Just like how numbermonkeys are to CCV, nijifans are to company revenue. Therefore to "pass" NijiEN, Phase Connect needs to pass NijiEN in quarterly revenue. So Phase just needs to do better FY2024/4 Q3 and Q4 or at least 1.3 billion yen in revenue (that's about $9.2 million USD). NijiJP and NijiEN do see a bump in Q3, so Phase's best chance would be to compete with NijiEN's FY2024/4 Q4 revenue.

>>65396965
They already have

Passing NijiEN in terms of raw viewership numbers? I doubt it, unless Niji has some catastrophic losses.

Passing NijiEN in terms of cultural impact, including superchat revenue, convention placement, community dialog, merch sales, etc.? Possible.

One way or another though I think Niji is on the way down and Phase is on the way up. I don't know when Phase will pass NijiEN but I think it will happen, eventually. Maybe 2024. Maybe 2025.

>>65411667
but shiina grew her fanbase exclusively from funneling off of pippa
uruka only gets numbers off of her karaokes and music streams. thats why her "youth group by the fire" streams were popping off. i'd say that her biggest detriment to streaming is her schooling but she put that first before anything and her bad vocals but they're getting better so expect more singing from her. so good on blue bear, i expect her to see much needed growth in the next year

>>65397205
>Eimi
I'd put Runie over her atm. She has the talent to succeed long term.
Other than that I agree.

No. Even if you get better CCV Niji still has way more going for it.
Phase gets fuck all for sponsors, convention invites and actual events. A lot of phase girls still only have 1 outfit and there's absolutely no reach across the seas so things like Taiwan and Paris conventions or cafes are completely out of the question too.
There's also no big end of the year event for phase either.

Phase is definitely getting better and better for a lot of chuubas, a while back I would have predicted prism would be the next big thing but phase has really changed for the better. That being said tho, even yagoo says that CCV isn't a great stat for measuring popularity.

>>65396965
Can we not associate any one or anything corpo with niji please?
It's like that one weird guy on the block and everyone just want to ignore him.

>>65407257
They're really the only viable small EN corpo at this point. IdolJew was a flash in the pan and has failed to capitalize on the initial boom and everything else is a trainwreck.
Phase has established itself as the "Cute girlfailures doing cute girlfailure things" company. That has a lot of appeal to EN.

>>65415037
>2 and a half years
>le fishe is still a mid 3view
harrowing

If you want some genuine criticism from an outsider, pic rel was a really bad choice to make into a talent. The drama and corpo advice streams just seem in really bad taste and makes them look bad.

Seems like she's much better off as a manager BTSs.

>>65407257
not really surprising when their audience is full of subhuman containment breaker like BrownVTM

>>65406418
Interesting that you'd put Uruka there. It does feel her position is as solid as a rock despite clearly not being as big as Pippa, Lia, or Tenma.
I genuinely think Loomi is up there too though.

>>65411154
Runie is a really charming dork. I like her by far the most of the new girls.

>>65396965
While i'm not a fan of Phase.
I still respect them way, way more than Niji, because the management isn't retarded or hostile.
So Phase passed Niji in the court of public opinion a while ago. And nothing Niji does will ever recover the damage to their brand they have caused themselves. So literally every company will pass them soon.

>phase is inclining, just look at the new tale-
oh
oh no no no no no no

>>65417800
>Niji is inclining, just look at one of their oldest tale-
oh
oh no no no no no no

>>65417800
its not even a month yet wtf

>wasn't invited to the Niji x Holo x Vshojo collab
What went wrong? We could've had the 4 big corpos, bros!!!

>>65414167
fags like you think every thread that isn't about Hololive should be an ad

>>65417942
>b-but feeshslut
holy cope

>>65417367
>Nothing Niji has done will improve their look
That's not true at all honestly. It'd be really easy to do so. Just spend most of 2024 doing 3d and 3d events. Spend it giving talents more outfits and setting them up at a lot of different conventions, get some more collabs with brands like sanrio, hold official channel events and do some 3d concerts and events and literally the majority of people would forget about the shitshow of 2023.

Hololive went through a ton of shit from a manger who was sexually harassing someone to the point where she almost lawyered up because of it, the massive China loss, the "Holocaust", losing 2 different massive talents in less than a year, and in general there were just a lot of shit shows that happened for a solid few years in holo. Nowadays though, coco is a fond memory for the west while nobody really cares about rushia, hololive is seen as "spotless"

>>65418164
>That's not true at all honestly. It'd be really easy to do so.
If it’s so easy how come they keep making their reputation worse?

>>65418104
It should be. Hololive is the only corpo that gets the numbers necessary to justify how much they're talked about.
Especially when you have shills trying to pretend that THIS >>65417800 is something noteworthy.

>>65417991
Split stream + Lia overlap.

>>65418246
Because they're Japanese and genuinely don't give a fuck about anyone but JP

>>65418254
>Hololive is the only corpo that gets the numbers necessary to justify how much they're talked about.
I agree. And /tv/ should only talk about Marvel movies and /mu/should only talk about artists signed to Universal Music Group.

>>65411418
Pippa hasn't done shit to be a negative influence on anyone else in Phase it is literally all in your head / past experience because if you tried watching any of the other talents for a while they have their own groups who actually stay on to cheer each talent a bit after consecutive raids.
All your ramblings are a you issue so far.

>>65396965
I expected Phase-Connect to be fucking dead by now. But they are still around, and doing well? I don't think they are growing much, but they aren't taking one fat L after another at least.
If NijiEN keeps taking them Ls? If they lose Selen in 2024, as rrats say they would, and Phase just doesn't do anything too retarded? Yeah. It'll happen. Phase will pass them, and probably replace them in the EN's big 3 too.

>>65418164
NTA but this "dark era" you're talking about is what propelled hololive and vtubing into the limelight altogether. Coco's graduation ended up being within the top 50 streaming moments of all time, and will stay as the #1 most watched vtuber stream for years to come.

I wouldn't really call that a low point for hololive, If anything they're fighting hard as we speak to get back to that peak for their company.

>>65418164
>Just spend most of 2024 doing 3d and 3d events
That's not a argument.
Normal vtubers have access to vrchat, it's not a event to be in 3d.
>Give talents more outfits
you mean like in the case of when nijis management denied Selen to have a outfit contest?
>Concerts
hahahahahahaha

I care about the talents not being mistreated or denied. And as long as they don't make a public statement that they've fired every single manager and will start over from the beginning, they're not even trying to mend the reputation.

>>65418524
>I don't think they are growing much
By small corpo standards their CCV has exploded. Talents that used to be low 3views are now low 4views. That's a remarkable incline.

>>65418700
Having a huge stream because one of your most popular talents is quitting is like a woman having big tits because she's obese. Technically true but not worth celebrating.

>>65407017
>iT wAs A tErMinATioN

>>65418164
>it's easy, just loop the most expensive events for the next year
If they would be willing to do that, we wouldn't be talking.

>>65418828
I get that, just saying it still shows just how fucking huge hololive was at the time. 400K as a peak, for a JAPANESE streamer no less proves that Hololive had a huge amount of eyes on them at the time.

>>65417800
gen3 is getting murdered by lia & dizzy.
gen3 fucked around in their timeslot, and they found out.

>>65418971
I can't tell you what next year will bring but the amount of times I've seen clips of Nijis saying
>Be prepared there's something big cooking
And the fact that towards the end of this year management has actually been getting en sponsorships and crossover promotions with big name brands like sanrio and have been using animators to clip stuff and invited a ton of en to Japan and to NijiFes, there is a possibility they're working on shit. I'll remain doubtful but we'll see.
>>65418724
3D events in Vrchat are not 3d events from a jp corporation, 3d in hololive can be used outside of Vr chat and it's a pretty big deal especially if they can perform concerts in 3d like was seen earlier this year

Also ngl your outfit argument is retarded because even though I like Selen she's tied with Pomu and Elira for most outfits in the branch at 4+ more in the works. She also did eventually get approved to do the outfit contest

Nijisanji sucks for one reason, and one reason alone. The males.
Why the fuck would I watch that shit when I can watch an all-female company like Phase Connect?

>>65419402
It Lia and Dizzy overlap AND what I think most would say are so far the two weakest talents in the new gen playing fucking Fortnite.

>>65418700
That unironically might be true.
The Taiwan Yab and its consequences made it as far as to some mainstream news outlets - all across the world. There are people who've first heard of vtubers from some news page QRD on what Hololive actually does.

>>65420086
Lia and Dizzy are middle sized in Phase. they aren't heavyweights.

>>65419402
It's a split-perspective collab. There's over 1000 people watching it. And they're getting overlapped by Lia's collab.
One thing you'll notice about small corps is they have a low ceiling and small box. Phase has a very loyal and tight-knit audience that watches all their streams with fervor

>>65420063
>Talent freedom for Phase means that talents are generally allowed to stream what they want and say what they want without repercussion as long as it can be vaguely construed as CGDCT
>Talent freedom for NijiEN means that you get to be an accessory to a male streamer or act like a whore

>>65419905
>3d in hololive can be used outside of Vr chat
But can niji? Or do they still force their talents to travel halfway around the world to do it from some JP office?
>she's tied with Pomu and Elira for most outfits in the branch at 4+ more in the works
Ironmouse has 19 + 5 in the pipeline planned to debut the next 3-4 months

>>65420349
and Pippa is in a collab on twitch right now as well, splitting things further

>>65418700
While you're right to a certain extent those numbers were great for that single stream. After that stream they lost the most superchatted person of all time. She was generating money like none other for them and really helped bring the company to new heights. Even though she's now been kson for more time than she was as Coco a lot of people will forever remember the Yakuza dragon more even though kson has now appeared in actual game series and stuff.

With Cocos departure they lost a top tier talent and a ton of money from Chinese sponsors that pulled out

>>65420320
>Lia
>middle sized in phase
Maybe 8 month ago

>>65403367
idol gen 2 did not stay 4 view for a month. they were 4 views for a week. compared to their gen1, gen2 was a huge failure.

>>65420426
Not just any collab a fucking Filian collab

>>65419905
That's just a wishful thinking. Managemt is still the same. They are still incapable of organizing anything in timely manner. Even if they did have big things prepared for the next year we would get drought right after.

Compare that to vshojo. They had to drop half of their popular talents and replace them with new. Their managers have to work to please the newcomers. That is what it means to change direction to salvage reputation.

>>65420419
Yes Nijis who have 3d can use it at home with a separate application. The original 3d performance is in Japan but it's a treat to do it because while you're in Japan the company gives you a shopping salary and pays for at least 1 meal a day and a nice hotel.
The iron mouse comment made me kek but I figured I'd give you a genuine response regardless

>>65403567
Panko had 900+ viewers today while overlapping with Muyu, I think she'll be fine

>>65420650
Vshojo is a lot smaller than Niji and that comes with some serious perks don't get me wrong but that's not really here nor there. This is a phase vs Niji not a vshojo vs Niji.

The only thing I really can say about vshojo is that vshojo is trying very hard to copy hololive and it's not really working honestly.

>>65420884
No, this is niji vs niji. They are their worst enemy and whatever anybody else does will not affect them. My point is they are incapable of change. They had to dissolve two branches because it got so bad and the third one is cracking.

>>65420635
Phase fanbase doesn't give a single fuck about Fillian, pipis included.

The newly hired Niji girls are just fucking failures. You would much rather be in Phase compared to that.

But Phase is still lacking compared to the bigger Niji talents like Pomu or some of the males. In order to reach that point they would have to expand the audience significantly. They have been doing it, it's working. But it will probably take nearly a year if previous patterns hold up.

>>65420635
Who gives a fuck about Fillian except for literal 12 year olds?

>>65421239
Yeah, they're watching Pippa.

>>65396965
If they get near 5-view status with bigger events and collabs its a possibility. But they need a bigger brand of talent to do that.

>>65420635
>pcg is 60% lia dizzy posting, 30% gen3 posting, 10% pippa fillian posting
i have never seen pcg be so indifferent to a pippa collab. they just dont care about fillian

>>65421334
>literal 12 year olds
So Pippa's fanbase?

>>65421450
I would rather Pippa collab with Lisa, Lumi, Sleepy hell even Kirsche than that shitter Fillian again. It is so forced nobody enjoys it.

>>65421450
It's a bad collab

>>65421450
/pcg/ only gives a shit about someone non-phase connect if they're
A:
>A longtime pippa collaber
or B:
>Someone being memed as a potential joining member
AKA they are just trapped in a bubble.

>>65421450
It's twitch collab with the worst possible group. It's not surprising people from here are not willing to discuss it. On the other hand, pcg has like 100 active posters and that's miniscule amount compared to her whole viewership.

>>65420467
lia varres.
she has a floor of about 400 and growing. she has always gone up against intense intra-company overlap that is why she is handling the new gen3 the best imo
she can pop a big rating from time to time

>>65422066
>lias floor is a small corpos dream of a ceiling
doesnt sound so middle sized to me

>>65422066
Lia can definitely be called heavy weight. She gets called in when Phase needs a reliable ambassador and her big streams attract lot of watchers. She's also universally liked. Measuring her with floor ccv doesn't paint whole picture.

>>65397482
Doesn't pippa do like number 2 or 3 in terms of ccv on jewtube if you don't count the holo girls? Like she gets close to bae and mori in terms of ccv

>>65422758
She earned as much as Watame in SC last month if you want some numbers.

>>65422435
lia is a heavyweight when she wants to be.
you don't collab 1on1 with pomu and not be a heavyweight.

I enjoy Phase Connect because they are weird, kind of like early Hololive, but they are more mentally deranged and I can understand them easier.

>>65419402
>gen3 fucked around in their timeslot, and they found out.
This is why Phase needs to stop these bozo's from jumping up out of their slots.
Muyu is going to be the ace of Gen3 because she is sticking ot her timeslot and is going to establish that EU hours are Tenma Muyu hours.

>>65421450
Filian and Pippa together is tolerable. The other two were insufferable

>>65426054
if I never saw another pippa and fillian collab again it would be too soon. it is a waste of a pippa stream.

Pippa? Maybe.
Everyone else? Lmao.

>>65420884
>>65421203
This makes the most sense to me, nothing stops NijiEN management from one day not shitting on certain talents and fairly supporting all of them. Then Phase with its own growth will still not be able to touch NijiEN, even right now there is nothing substantial being said, all this talk is being considered because of low moral over yabs which is Niji self inflicted.

if NijiEN loses Selen or Pomu, they are in big big trouble. They should be taking of those girls at all cost, not pushing them away.

>>65416734
What, why?
One of the few older talents, and she has the unhinged personality of a vtuber.
Dunn what drama though, Tsunderia was a trashfire kept alive by one manager who got beaten down till she burned out.
It would be in bad taste if she spread rumors, in her case its just sharing her personal experience.

If anything her problem is that shes too agreeable, she dosnt know how to tell people to fuck off.

>>65396965
>he doesn't know that pippa already beat fuwamoco, kuzuha, pekora, gura, ironmouse and kenmochi
kek

>>65426900
Everything around Selen makes less than 1% of their revenue stream, why would they give a fuck?

>>65426126
Wouldn't expect them to stop, Filian is a major gateway to the big twitch indies and they seem to like each other. Personally I like her, she just needs something to focus on so she doesn't spend the whole thing too scatterbrained from her ADD.

>>65427046
nta, but any vtuber that has to rely on going ooc for content is terrible at making content.
those complaints against her are valid. the worst thing is it started to spread jelly was doing ooc.

ooc can be fine in the right context, but I don't want to hear ooc streams from people who have been in phase connect for a minute (more so a shot at jelly who seems like she tries hard to fit in instead of actually fitting in)

>>65427359
like anybody gives a shit, streams are supposed to be entertaining first, keyfabe comes second
lia streams with her mom, and pippa sprends 50% talking about her family, dizzy talking about her previous career is nothing

>>65427359
Jelly seems like a cunt. She showed herself a little bit in the Sakana AMA she has an attitude
>Jelly: I get frustrated. Why do I have to do extra work (music, song editing) and don't get extra? Some of these other girls don't have to do extra stuff it isn't fair
>Sakana: You get paid for your music stuff and you knew this going in. It was why we hired you.

>>65404444
Excellent sub>viewer conversion
a <100k sub 4view is more valuable than a 1M sub 4view

>>65412404
>>65412130
that dicking needs to be done by me

>>65427826
she was getting a bit out of line in fish interview
jelly is one of the youngest, and it shows, shes as bad as pippa at her worst, pippa also gets overly personal though shes getting better at not being an aggressive sperg

>>65427701
>streams are supposed to be entertaining first
dizy's ooc streams aren't that.
her pippa ooc interview got shredded

>>65427359
They’re invaders. The entire point of the program is to allow them to advertise their past lives as much as possible and do as much to maintain continuity between characters as they can get away with.

>>65428252
>dizy's ooc streams aren't that.
funny, i rather her streams where shes more herself
>her pippa ooc interview got shredded
no idea what you talking about

>>65428599
pcg shit all over it
it was a clown show

>>65402010
This
Niji still has more viewers, but Phase has is THE "Hololive alternative" for anyone looking for a new chuuba

>>65428651
who gives a shit what pcg thinks?
i watched the pippa and dizzy stream and outside of some racist jokes i dont remember anything controversial

>>65428891
It wasn't controversial. It was just bad.

>>65428931
the only bad part was pippa again acting like a cunt to people who are too submissive
dizzy needs to grow some balls and stop coping about being a pushover, especially with her irl looks, i would expect her to be pure stacy enegry

>>65428651
No, it didn't. Not any more than her usual streams. She's simply not very liked here, but it's because her whole content, not just ooc. Not to mention, pcg is not of any statistical importance.

>>65428065
I'm not impressed with Jelly. People keep saying Muyu is the Panko killer. Nah. She is gonna make Jelly go extinct. Jelly has been around for a few months and already cries about what is fair and not.

Jelly's hope is probably Phase Music taking off, and it likely won't because Phase Connect is a shitpost company and the fanbase doesn't care that much about music.

Phase is defined by their Gen1, and they aren't idols and can't sing that well. Uruka can sing but is different and fits what Phase is all about of being offbeat and their own thing.

>>65419905
I thought the VRChat chibis were really great but then Lazulight had their official 3Ds and it blew my mind.

>>65396965
>Has to rig the vtuber awards to put themselves in a category with nobodies to win in an event they helped fund
This is your nijisanji killer?

>>65429405
i dont think that people dont care about music, its that without advertising it wont go off the ground, Lumi is amazing singer, should could gosling half her viewers with a karaoke, yet even with originals without shilling she wont be doing numbers
pippa had to private pippa the ripper since it was going viral, it would steamroll past half a milion views in weeks, clearly it wasnt her singing skills doing the numbers, it was her brand
no money = no music career, its that simple, the field is flooded with vtuber covers already, they should make more shitposts in fact, thats something thats more likely to take off

jelly fails at being an idol, shes too petty and has a short fuse, hina is what a real natural idol looks like, that girl has no bad thought in her head ( she has nothing in her head, but thats a positive )
dunno how muyu is panko or jelly killer? muyu is a complete degenerate, so far shes keeping it toned down, but i expect she will go back to her old self, nether jelly or panko is like that, panko is a horny stremer, but nowehere near anything muyu does

>>65427046
She has done several "vtuber drama/corpo advice" streams that really felt like it was just her reading off a bunch of /vt/ rrats and vaguely commenting on whatever drama was out at the time. One of those streams just felt like indirect slander at their competitors. made false statements about vshojo and idol on stream

As a corpo chuuba shit like this is unacceptable, niji also has talents who have done this and look where they are now.

>>65430255
i watch Phase Connect for the bombastic personalities. If I wanted to hear idols, I would watch PRISM. The best singer in Phase wouldn't even be Top 5 in PRISM

Probably not, but Phase doesn't have to make more money than NijiEN to be more successful. Phase has happy talents that don't constantly badmouth their agency. The only advantage NijiEN has really is that they're dug in like a tick.

>>65429955
idol and kawaii are graduating people faster than they can debut, so auto win there for phase
and putting them next to billion dollar international media conglomerates like cover or anycolor with 100x the combined views is retarded
if anything idol should be in growing and those 2 no names like 3am and that other one should have been nuked from the list, a company should survive for at lest half a year before its allowed in for any award

>>65430377
>vshojo and idol on stream
kek, based
fuck those creepy jews and that botting corpo
the idol drama is pure wtf

>>65396965
Unless something big happens probably not
They will by end of 2025 tho

>>65430456
yup. the 3 faces of phase connect can't sing to save their lives.
the company was built on their girls being unorthodox.
their gen1 is probably the strongest that any small agency has ever had. they are the backbone.

if gen2 or gen3 was phase's gen1, they never grow.

>>65428252
>>65428651
Why lie?
>>63593949
>>63593859
/pcg/ loved that stream

>>65431040
wtf I love pcg now!!!!

>>65430660
The thing is both of the claims the dizzy and Pippa made repsective (The merch cut for Vshojo and a banworthy part of Idol's situation [/spoiler]
Both ended up being 100% proven not true, just a /vt/ rrat. Having complete lies in a stream going over vtuber corpo history is a bad look bro.

>>65430377
What false statements did they make? Drop the timestamps.

>>65430794
tell that to fishman, he has 0 idea why pippa is popular
pippa covers a niche, so despite a company that drags her down shes can pull in mid 4view or more on good days
so does tenma ironically, shes older than your average vtuber, and shes an angry frustrated older woman on top, also unconventional, sure someone ironlung is like 50, but she pretends to be young, so that dosnt count
no idea what fish is thinking trying to compete with comapnies that have 1000x the reveneue, no joke, niji makes a straggering 200mln$ revenue, with 60% of that being spend on the talents, phase yearly budget is what niji spends in half a day, every day, on marketing
half of gen 3 would be holo material, but they wont do holo numbers, market is just too flooded, he needed a gen made fully out of diffrent pippas, all ready to create or compete in regions that arent too fought over

>>65431405
>phase yearly budget is what niji spends in half a day, every day, on marketing
and yet, Phase continues to incline while NijiEN continues to flounder

>>65431379
fuck off, fuck this creepy ass vtuber secrecy shit
the rumors are there since both of them have insane amount of drama, dirt and controversies
and no, it wasnt proven untrue, pippas claim was countered with "it depends on contract, mine is good", oh, ok, and idol cant be trusted on anything, that company is a PR nightmare, and the grooming and literal sexual abuse is next level even for the drama filled vtubbing scene

>>65430794
Have to agree, maaayyyybbeee I could see gen 3 possibly getting them to what idol's numbers are now in an alternate timeline, but gen 2 at the start would have got them purely 2view status.
also gen 1 didn't even break out of being low 3 views until a month after gen 2's debut via pippa and her shorts

>>65398139
>Probably
>Phase is better at hiring talents
Phase also treats their talents better. Pippa has control over which of her songs get privated. She just freed the Rippa (for members) after a viewer heroically one first place in tetris

>>65431405
Phase doesn't need more Pippa's they already have her. The move is to keep cultivating and growing the ones that are different and have grown on their own. Pippa Tenma Lia Panko etc. For example, Lia is facinating to me because she continues to grow with minimal advertisements (fucking Lumi has a real YT ad before Lia for some reason. the most they do for Lia is link an old short in an ad)

>>65431524
nta but making money is what it is all about.

>>65431524
only niji en is dropping, i looking up their numbers since they are public company, 30% growth in a year
their numbers are insane, they just have a lot of talents, so even if few do worse, it dosnt matter

>>65431674
>The Vshojo merch claim Pippa made was 100% and publicly proven false by many talents
>shitting on other companies is still bad to do as a representative of a vtuber company as a whole
But you probably don't care, /pcg/ fags don't watch streams, they only care about tabloid drama.

>>65431405
This is a retarded post. Pippa is an anomaly, she got this year more superchats than fucking Fauna, Korone, Fuwamoco etc. You can't replicate that kind of bizarre success. Lia and Rie are doing the "wacky internet girl" stick too and they are nowhere near Pippa's numbers. A "Pippa gen" would most likely end up being an embarrassing failure.

>>65401195
Late night star watching streams with Nasa and her live english subtitles are love

>>65431783
the other Gen1's growing had nothing to do with Pippa at all you fags are delusional
>Tenma grew by hustling collabs for exposure and streaming like a maniac
>Lia should have died because of stop/start breaks and cancels, but she grew by changing her content & hustling collabs for exposure. she was the runt for the longest time.
>Uruka stunted her growth because of breaks. still has never really arrived.

You people can keep discounting the work and growth some of them have had on their own seperate of Pippa. Matter of fact, the fact that then low 3view's Lia & Tenma were able to network IN SPITE of the stain Pippa has put on Phase is impressive

>>65431830
Lia had ads at the same time all of Gen 1 did these past two months.

>>65431839
30% growth for an established company would be insane
30% growth in the exploding vtuber market right after IPO is stagnation

>>65432107
anon we are talking real ads, not shorts.
Pippa, Tenma and Lumi have ads explain who they are, what the do, what their content is. It is the trailer on their channels.

Lumi is old news. Phase needs to be investing in the Lia's and Panko's instead of her.

>>65431996
Pippa spends half her streams because third worlders keep sending blues which Pippa always reads which makes third worlders send blues

>>65431996
This
Pippa is the biggest case of right person at the right time we'll ever see on /vt/. She knew how to perfectly cater to a completely empty niche while enticing paypigs with her shtick. Now in the era of rising small corpos you can't really recreate someone like her.

>>65432302
*spends half her streams reading superchats

>>65432300
>Phase needs to be investing in the Lia's and Panko's instead of her.
let fish cook. there is a reason why he sent them to do business for the vtuber awards.

>>65431996
no offense, but what do lia and rie do original? lia tries to mix things up, but rie is another liberal "im different that other girls" chick who barely stands out in her own company
lia has the problem that shes kinda boring, she just rambles on and on, often with zero coherency, chibidoki is what lia should be
>A "Pippa gen" would most likely end up being an embarrassing failure.
i dont mean literal pippas, one is more than enough, i mean people who are different, dont copy the big streamers and who can dig their own niche

>>65432084
>Tenma
Unique in that she got some huge collabs early on, but like pippa her incline didn't come until after gen 2's debut.
>Lia
Kek what? She was literally on the verge of graduation for an entire year, and STILL was until 2023. The one lightning in a bottle chris chan stream doesn't change that.
>Uruka
She was completely unknown back then and still is to this day , the JPs would have been a better example than her.

None of gen 1 would be where they are with Pippa blowing up.

>>65432300
Lumi is tragic
>started 2023 as the undisputed #2 in Phase
>was 4view for the entire 1st week because of a subathon
>people say Twitch makes her looks better than she actually is because bots + YouTube supresses viewers
>YouTube changes how they count adblocks
>all of the sudden Tenma, Shiina, Lia, Panko, Dizzy, Muyu, Runie etc etc all soar past her
>ends 2023 with the same ccv avg she did as she started: about 1000 twitch

>>65432655
Pippa didn't have shit to do with Tenma and Lia getting career making collabs.
Lia owes it all the vedal. That changed her career trajectory.
Pippa's big idea to save Lia when she was a dying 2view was "go to twitch, bro"

>>65403896
Panko is a red Panda from Pasta Village. Just watch her, she's funny and cute. Fute, as they say. (verification not required)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dtENCcali8

>>65432300
>It is the trailer on their channels.
Why didn’t Lia just make a channel trailer like Lumi?
>Lumi is old news. Phase needs to be investing in the Lia's and Panko's instead of her.
Panko is one of the most supported talents in Phase alongside Hime, she is front and center at cons and was the biggest feature (aside from Lia) at Filian’s Vtuber Award show.
Lumi doesn’t get pushed like that so I have no idea why you’re acting like she does, she’s literally the epitome of just doing her own thing 90% of the time.

>>65432736
think lumi is a bit too mature to make it bigger (despite not even being 25), you need to pander to kids and creeps on twitch

>>65411418
This is mental illness.

>>65433037
Lumi is 27

>>65432109
The vtuber market stopped exploding in 2022. Phase was the last group to ride the wave. Even Idol Corp barely got anything despite massive marketing and a failed first gen. The Vtuber market has already stagnated.

>>65433119
how? she just did her degree, she clearly in her early 20ties

>>65432538
This is an even more retarded post. The vast majority of Pippa's content is gaming and react stuff. She really isn't that creative with her content, she does maybe 2-3 creative/edgy/high effort streams a month. So by your reasoning Pippa should be a 2view.

>>65433287
people like react shit, especially from someone as edgy as pippa

>>65433266
She got her masters earlier this year and was 26 at the time. She turned 27 in November. She’s also 10 years older than her brother who is still in high school and just started working on college applications.

>>65433432
really? i legit expected her to be 24 tops
if shes 27 why isnt she having babies instead of babysitting retards like us online?

>>65431996
Pippa is not an anomaly. Only people disconnected from certain parts of the internet are bewildered by Pippa's success. Pippa grew massively because she trapped a part of the internet that was dying and lost most of its' creators. The dramafag right-winged culture warriors. She was shilled heavily on a certain lawyer's channel which gave her certain recognition in their circles. Then she jumped into one of the largest dramafests and got the weatherman thumbs up. She also had many of those creators openly support her and help her.
Most vtubers have been apolitical or left-winged. Pippa filled that hole where the dramafags thought they found /theirguy/ and flocked to her. This is how many youtubers rose in noombers and Pippa talked about this years ago. Drama, shoutouts, and filling a niche gets you noombers. It was luck but she knew what she was doing. It was no anomaly.
You can replicate the Pippa success. You can't replicate Pippa's exact success. Especially as Kirsche slurped up the fringe viewers that Pippa pulled to her who are still entrenched in the culture war politics-24/7 mindset. That niche is full. You can replicate that success in another niche easy enough. Just look at Nova Aokami. She filled the TCG niche that was empty in the Vtuber space and became a mid 3 view, 60k sub creator in a year and a half. She's well connected to old guard TCG creators which gave her the boost.

>>65433017
>Why didn’t Lia just make a channel trailer like Lumi?
cause she is an easy come easy go zoomer and doesn't care like that (yet)
Lia is "imagine if America actually cared about soccer: the vtuber."

She streams less time in a week than Lumi does in a day. She puts minimal effort into most streams and just shows up and talks like she is on cocaine. She is a top 5 earner in Phase while being Bottom 2 in hours streamed. She has grown huge and even has a playbutton.
She is not for everyone, but she has an intangible to her that covers all of her flaws in spades. if you gave Lia half of Tenma's work ethic/drive, she would be huge.

>>65433739
Lia could be a cult leader in another life; there is just something about her

>>65433658
Its funny, since i would consider nether rakieta or mekour anywhere right of center, they are both degenerate liberals.
Then again the scale shifted so far left than even a degenerate furry who worships non whites and lgbt trannies like pippa can be "too right wing". Pippa would get a stroke if someone talked to her about jews.
But yeah, she did find popularity among the less political correct people.

>>65433739
I didn’t need the write up, I thought it was obvious that I was implying Lia was inconsistent and kinda lazy.
Lia certainly is entertaining though and sticking with it since 2021 through all the rough spots is extremely admirable.

>>65431962
>shitting on vshojo about their merch cut
Did you make this up in your mind? She said it was understandable if the company has staff and does all the work with merch.

>>65403906
Lumi said Gen 4 is not going to happen for at least 2 years. Although she never said about the rumored Phase JP Gen 2(?).

>>65433928
Rackets is just an alcoholic coomer now, but he larped pretty convincingly as a trad christian back in the day before he let the mask fall off. Enough to convince his audience who wanted to hear it anyways, though he lies about ever having done so now.

It's kind of funny though because if you actually track Pippa's opinions she's more just a dirtbag left girl. People have this strawman of her as so right wing and it's just not true.

>>65432084
I started watching all the other girls because I like Pippa.

>>65433739
>She streams less time in a week than Lumi does in a day.
this doesn't matter for Lia at all. Long game streams are not Lia's content.
Lia's sweet spot is doing 90-minute to 2 hour high energy where she holds court over chat. She needs to work on her cancelations. She has a big problem with those. Her flaws can be easily corrected.

God, I like Muyu, but this fucking Muyutard in here is so insufferable.

>>65434178
Man, not to drag pippa through the mud, but some of her twitter posts on her other account are some of the most extremists far left opinions you can find, you can tell this chick thinks "right wing" means "edgy like assmaldgold" instead individualism over collectivism and nationalism over globalism. Ass mald or hassan are just marxists hypocrites, there is nothing right of Stalin about them, they just think they are elites and rules dont apply to them.
But yeah, i never got where the law guys fame as right wing streamer came from.

>>65433928
At the time, Rekieta was "the conservative model" and his liberal degeneracy came sometime after Pippa's rise. It's almost amusing how her rise happened proportionally and simultaneously to his fall. I'd argue Metokur is neither conservative or liberal. He is more like Matt and Trey, he'll shit on anyone and everything for a lol. But off-topic shit aside, that is the primary reason for her success. A lot of that crowd were "vtuber fans" but none actually watched vtubers. It was obvious by how little they understood vtubing. Until Pippa. We can kind of see that same trend with Fuwamoco too. They do the generic cutesy shit but their twin shtick gives them a new niche.