/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65303236
Nijisanji's number one bootlicker

>>65303236
Hahahahahha jesus christ that's passive aggressive

>>65303236
HAPPY FAMILY AND SMILE

>>65303236
Holy Millie in full damage control mode

>>65303236
>Millie on damage control once again

Dude millie is a shit human being for this, dude really wtf tlk with her on private

>They won't really private something special like this as long as there was the OK

>>65303236
millie the niji shill

>>65303236
holy damage control

Everything about this is perfect.

stfu milli you bootlicker asshole

>>65303236
Oh thank you for the warning Millie, Selen is very new at this so I'm glad she has someone like you to teach her how things work.

CIVIL WAR

>>65303236
SO TRUE SISTER

I gave up on on NiniEN before the males even debuted, but, Millie and Enna were the worst things to happen to the branch. Even worse than Luca.

>>65303236
millie...

While the other talents work their ass off, Selen needed to damage the company's reputation again with a big fat smelly poop after having too much General Tso's chicken.

>>65303236
The retaliation management gave to millie after her secret gc stream really mindbroken her didnt it

>>65303236
Feels like an all out war lol

>>65303414
The point of her doing that publicly is for us to see what she says.
It's on purpose to damage control

>>65303236
millie the black company defender is more manhera

When will selen finally tell niji to suck her dick and graduate? It seems like the company goes out of its way to spite her at every opportunity

>>65303414
Selen brought this to public in the first place

>>65303236
Imagine not being able to upload a fucking cover without an OK from management.

>>65303236
Millie you piece of shit I hope you start vomiting blood.

>>65303521
Kyo was worse than all of them imo, but we're really scraping the bottom of the shit barrel here

>>65303236
Oof
Niji sis, you attack your own like this?

>>65303690
No shit dumbass, the cover was public and now it's not, so a public statement is only logical.

>>65303236
>broken english
lmao

>>65303414
Selen wanted to do this in public. Cry more.

The NijiEN family... No...

>>65303236
I HECKING LOVE MY NIJI FAMILY

>>65303673
She probably can't for legality reasons, but it seems she is indeed pushing it so they graduate her.

>>65303236
I wouldn't expect anything less from my favorite flip.

The family...

What rank is Millie in the Niji Defense Force? Lieutenant? Captain?

>>65303724
that's the norm in any entertainment company especially since they need to check for copyright issues.

I know next to nothing about Nijisanji because they seem boring and irrelevant, but this shit has me intrigued. I wish I knew the histories of the characters better.

>>65303236
I am genuinely curious to see what the explanation for this is, surely Selen already got the okay from management to produce the cover in the first place, so what changed?

>>65303414
Can't unveil bootlicking point's in private so what's the point?

>>65303236
This but Millie

>>65303236
not a good look for anyone
millie is not even tying to protect her friends anymore

Fuck Milli how much is 2% in pag pag dollars for her to be licking Riku's asshole like this, girl he's japanese he's not going to marry you.

>>65303911
serving directly under pomu.

it'd be pretty funny if it turns out it was millie's manager who took over and posted that reply chain.
niji is so fucking black to me at this point that i wouldn't even find it surprising.

>>65303920
If you're perfectly able to handle the perms stuff yourself by directly contacting the relevant people what else's left to do? I know we're running on low info but with all we know, including the cover itself (it was archived in her replies), it seems completely clean.

>>65303901
kek

>>65303911
Colonel Admiral

Dubs decides what selen responds to Millie with

>>65303236
>the title
Kek'd

>>65304054
The only thing I could think of is if whoever gave them perms suddenly changed their minds, weird situation all around.

>>65303236

>>65303236
>Publicly asking if she asked management if it was okay to upload a song
>Someone who was in the company longer than her
Holy shit there's no way Selen stays after this.

>>65303236
UH OH IS SELEN THREATENING """THE FAMILY""""""?
QUICK SEND OUT THE BILLIBILLI MANAGERS FAVORITE BOOTLICKERS

>>65303512
This is why it makes so sense to make the comments she did unless she was just rubbing it in, but what's the point of rubbing it in unless you were an active participant in the incident? Calling it now, Millie was the one that reported Selen's cover mv to management.

Are people really dumb? Management privated the video. Why is it inappropriate for Selen to publicly address what happened?

>>65303775
Kyo kept his NTR roleplay to Enna. Luca singlehandedly ruined Rosemi, Pomu, and Scarle.

>>65304356
and Maria

Millie is part of the clique, of course she'd do something bitter

>>65304356
Good point.

>>65304326
its not, but others can also do it if they want to

What about the family and the memories you made along the way Selen..

>>65304039
This is such a shit move it might actually be what happened

>>65303236
I don't know Millie but that seems more like corpo sucking on her part.

>>65304039
sauce?

>>65303655
Is it damage control, or a power play?

>>65303236
LMAO how that boot tasting Millie???

>>65304356
>>65304388
Fair enough. I just personally find Kyo fucking insufferable, but Luca might've done more damage. Either way, as I said, we're really scraping the bottom of a barrel of shit.

1-3%

>>65303236
I LOVE MY NIJIFAMILY!

>>65304439
>Millie's manager uses her account for NIDF posts
>she objects
>manager threatens her and tells her to own up the posts
>she says fuck it and goes full NIDF mode during streams

When the conflict between china and ph scale i hope your cowoorkers help you millie

>>65303809
holy shit you're right, she must be malding so hard she's reverting to shit tier ESL

>>65303236
>Join the Family, Selen! or DIE!

>>65303236
Based retarded Millie.
If it was something that would get resolved quick then Selen wouldn't have posted that, just a "Hey sorry, but there was error that needs to be fixed. Video is privated for now, but will be up as quick as it can be"
Selen flat out blaming management and even telling her audience to upload the cover shows that it won't be something quick to resolve. Selen herself uploaded this part of her birthday concert because she saw someone uploaded a sub version and was gaining traction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXGIP0Ay3Sw

>>65304553
She was tasked with damage control she couldn't help herself to shit on the perso she sabotaged

My rrat is that this was all done in purpose by selen to further destroy nijisanji's reputation as she is on her way out, as revenge for all the shit's thats been done to her by management. The rm tweet doesn't make sense, unless it's to make niji management even more bad. For $15k, the total destruction of nijien's reputation sounds cheap.

so why was is privated? can Selen tell us why? was there something wrong with copywrite? with the mixing? or the mv??

>>65303236
>nijien is family.png
kek

>>65303236
Nijisanji is good.

The family of bootlickers

>>65304881
She can't tell us, because she would need to admit she lied about it being "approved"

>>65303236
YIKES

>>65304544
Genkai Dokushin Joshi

Western audiences need to stop putting up with and defending Japan's corporate cum-guzzling copyright laws

>>65304881
Honest answer, we don't know.
RRAT: likely due to the inclusion of graduated members without specifically getting permission for it. Either that or lilypichus company reached out and told them "no"

>>65304881
my theory is that management nuked it for containing graduated chuuba imagery
remember that kurosanji always stalins people that graduate

If you think about it, this is all Pomu's fault

>>65305002
And your reasoning for why she would lie about getting the cover approved by management is what exactly?

>>65305002
>she lied!!! Even though someone on the project also said they had approval she lied!!!
Shut the fuck up Nijinigger
https://twitter.com/127_sd_/status/1739511265259880614

>>65305145
Watch streams. They are allowed to include Mysta and Nina.

>>65305002
if it wasn't approved, then why did the manager allow it to be uploaded in the first place?

>>65305145
nina and mysta are literally in many covers post graduation...

>>65305104
It’s less about putting up with the laws and more about that just simply being the way it is. It’s retarded, but that autism is something the Japanese have to solve because theres very little the west can really do about it.

>>65305203
cuz she's a fuckup. Always has been

>>65303953
You may not be familiar with this either, but if you've ever seen any media about historical Chinese imperial palace drama, NijiEN is basically a modern day interpretation of that trope.

>>65305002
>>65304054

>>65303899
its LEAST you esl

>>65305317
Holocaust happened specifically because they were caight lacking. The perms autism is completely justified.

Western streamer: streams content

Japanese corpo streamer: "puresu sir, can I durinku your cummu?" *drinks semen* *gets banned* *goes to jail*

>>65305219
>She couldn't possibly tell that guy she got it approved, when she didn't actually get it approved by management.
You think that person was directly involved in the discussions between Selen and her mane-san?
Selen asked Lilypichu directly about the cover and got it "approved" herself.

>>65305282
>>65305462

>>65305414
>I would expect anything LEAST
Nta but you're just an illiterate EOP, sorry to tell you

>>65304881
>copywrite

Is she the one who streamed the 4chan simulator?

>>65305421
>>65305317

>Mio wants to buy a DS capture card
>the only guy making them quits
>Mio decides to mod her DS to record that way(many say she emulated but DS emulation on PC was shit at the time)
>nothing bad happens for about 8 months
>suddenly Capcom copyright strikes 2 Ghost Trick streams and threatens a channel-killing third strike
>Cover panics and makes everyone private all game videos and most other stuff
>Subaru's manager goes full retard and deletes everything
>Cover enacts requirement to ask for explicit permissions to stream(and preferably monetize, but GTA is an example of them not being able to)
>days later Capcom announces Nijisanji partnership with a special event
Also here's a preview of how bad was it for anybody who joined after it happened:
https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4
Also keep in mind this was mere weeks before Miko's health break and Kaoru's graduation. Many of us legit thought Hololive was done at this point.

>>65303414
Are you surprised? She's a flip.

>>65303236
I refuse to believe someone can be this retarded as to publicly fuel speculation that doesn't even involve you, so I'm assuming she did this out of malice

>>65305530
He just hasn't learned to copy paste

>>65305124
Lily is very supportive of people covering her songs, and she's even put out a statement allowing the use of her songs on stream as BGM etc as long as credit is given, so it's probably not from her.

>>65305282
How could the manager prevent her from uploading it? Do you think she doesn't have access to her account?

kaputa putahan ka talaga ng ina mo, millie. sana hindi ka na magising sa bagong taon

>>65305518
that has nothing to do with the video being greenlit for upload in the first place, you retarded ESL

>>65305348
So is niji management, your point?

>>65303690
What was she supposed to do retard? The song was up and not it's not, she can't just say nothing

>>65305462
if that were true then what the fuck else is left for approval still? i'd get it if the cover was something like mumei's dan dan but it isn't. "oh selen everything is in order but you didn't follow our protocol so instead of a warning we're taking down the video altogether" what the shit is this decision making?

>>65305567
Millie is a woman, of course she's retarded

>>65305462
Lilypichu had gave the permission since last year, retard, it was just the song's producer that hadn't replied to their email which she asked him to and then waited for management to tell her they had finally got the perms for the cover.

>>65305659
Bitch could have kept her mouth shut until management gave her a statement to put out.

>>65304174
It's fucking lilypichu, a cover artist who are literally friend with everyone in the streaming industry include a literal screeching gnome name Destiny (who has burned hundreds of bridges) because she can only see good in people.
The chance of her randomly changing her mind is 0%.

>>65304316
Well she is known to have this board living rent free in her head and it was privated right after someone posted that one slide...

>>65305568 (me)
https://twitter.com/LilyPichu/status/1282262110949392384?lang=en

>>65305717
>don't speak out about shitty management like a good drone
Millie your damage control is getting too obvious

>>65305717
I don't think she's stupid enough to say "feel free to reupload" unless she got a very clear "it's not ever getting unprivated" from them

>>65303236
Millie is outright bullying lmao

>>65305124
It's been said multiple times that at least Nina is seen as a perpetual green light to reference and remember her, but she can't be spoken to directly as Matara
Even if that were the case, the song is made by Selen and is a cover of another person's song, so 2434 has no claim to anything put on there beyond some obvious allusions to negativity
Most likely scenario is Selen fucked up one minor thing, next most likely is management are dogshit as usual and didn't get the right combination of submissive word choice in their release form for this cover so they scrapped the whole thing

>>65305816
Tard wrangling isn't bullying. This is for Selens own good

>>65305717
you niji bootlickers are fucking braindead.

>>65305843
cope, selen did nothing wrong

>>65304054
>If you're perfectly able to handle the perms stuff yourself
the talents should never be able to do this without supervision. there will always be nuances that they don't know about; copyright laws are not something to make light of.
indies can get away with it since there isn't any money to squeeze from them, but a large corporation has to walk on egg shell just in case the perm giver is a huge turbo faggot like holobass or that guy that did the doom ost.

>>65305568
Fair enough
>>65305826
Now keep in mind that Matara doesn't own the rights to Nina, anycolor does. Using graduated IPs in a property of your own creation while working for them probably requires extra permission to do so which is likely what Millie is referring to in her tweets.
Including Mysta and Nina in the end likely is what got the project canned.

>>65303236
Selen shouldn't reply to her. And if she doesn't reply, then it's another checkmark for graduation.

>>65305697
women are also catty and malicious

>>65305843
If she actually wanted to tardwrangle, she'd call Selen and ask selen to take the tweet down. There's no tardwrangling going around here.

>>65303236
Damn I almost feel sad for a fatty

>>65303236
So she didn't ask "the family" first? Doing something without permission from "the family" is a sin these days?

>>65304867
Based beyond belief
>Sieg ZAION

Disregard all posts downplaying management's role in this, they are the rot taking hold in NijiEN

What song was it?

>>65305266
>Watch streams
>of kurosanji
no. I don't think I will

>>65305538
Japan needs a third nuke

>>65305960
I don't disagree with your general point, but Nina and Mysta are featured prominently for one frame. Wouldn't it be a pretty quick fix to remove them as opposed to indefinitely privating the video?

>>65303236
Is Millie implying that Selen didn't get the approval before uploading?
Wtf is going on

>>65305717
Management seems to be telling her to give up on $15 000 and the work of a bunch of dragoons, even after already approving the cover for upload, which is pretty wild.

>>65305960
>Including Mysta and Nina in the end likely is what got the project canned.
Maybe it's the fact that it included both of them in the shot, and both of them joined a rival company.

>>65305266
>watch streams.
>niji streams
fuck no kek

>hectic year with a lot of management fighting
>cover song is literally named "LAST cup of coffee"
>tweets "feel free to reupload" after management explicitly privated it
>Looking at Mysta and Nina with longing at the end of the MV
She can't lay it thicker.

could Millie at least try to be nice? it's christmas

Selen knows why the manager took down the video but refuses to expose why for sympathy points.

>>65303236
Join Vshojo already you fat bitch

have you ever thought about how millie probably eats literal shit, just sticks her hand in the toilet and pulls it out and eats it?

>>65306399
This is her being nice, believe it or not

>>65306278
I mean the video still exists, even if not publicly. Not like the stuff the money paid for is gone.

>>65303987
Is this real?

>>65303236
Man... what a worthless bootlicker.

>>65306401
This. Both her and Millie are bitches with their own agendas.

>>65306364
Sisters are saying that she has been trying to make this cover for a year so it's not her fault. Also the original song wasn't about graduation.

having to pay entirely out of your pocket for projects like covers when you work for a company is such a bizarre aspect of corporate vtubing that must be some japanese autism carryover thing

>>65306419
Millie is a hobo philippino, so she's really grateful to get into Niji and that's why she's bootlicking them like no tomorrow, because she doesn't know better.

>https://twitter.com/LilyPichu/status/1371572890190016516
>copyright is okay
then what the fuck millie

>>65306554
millie lives in canada for over a decade

>>65306364
Why in the name of fuck would Selen even give a shit about either of those 2? Put Mumei by the window, point is made unbelievably clear. Chihiro walking away? I buy it, Selen loved Chihiro's Apex grind antics.
She spoke to Nina maybe 5 times, and the last time was just to vent her frustrations. Mysta and Selen are as close as Alban and Kanae-senpai

>>65306565
Your move Millie

>>65306565
There's no such thing as "no copyright", copyright is automatically assigned.

>>65306511
Yep, I think it was around the first year of Obsydia when this happened.

>>65306600
Can't take SEA out of the SEA.

>>65303236
FUCK NIJISANJI

>>65306565
Lilypichu didn't fax the perms to selen's manager directly, selen went behind management's back to get perms.

>>65306694
>this post brought to you by hololive

>>65303236
Stop being a pathetic bootlicker, Millie

>>65303987
What the fuck is it with Cover and Anycolor having about 40 layers of upper management, and none of them talking to each other. Tazumi and Tanigo seem to really love their jobs, yet are also hopelessly ignorant of shit affecting their talents day-to-day lives
>Yagoo basically was brought in for the final meeting with Coco and had to be briefed during the meeting
>Riku hasn't had a direct meeting with anyone minus the big 3 of JP in like 2 years

>>65306565
Blanket permissions aren't good enough for JP corpos.

>>65306648
It's the intent, retard. Puting them both, graduated from NijiEN, at the very end and her turning and looking at them.
Seems like she really needed to lay it thicker.

>>65306490
Yeah but it's gonna get a lot less views than if it was on her channel. Not to mention that she is losing those views and algorithmic exposure on her own channel.

>>65306335
>>65306242
It probably is due to the fact that they are featured prominently in that final shot and both left for vshojo.
While it would be possible to remove that frame there's a chance she flat out doesn't want to because it would be removing artwork from a dragoon and it would likely have to go through the whole approval process again and through all the slow ass hoops of Japanese autism

>>65306772
Selen also directly contacted lily and the producer and got them to reply to the actual emails so, if its a perm issue, its not from them.

>>65306722
> only holobronies hate nijikeks
Why yes. I am a fellow holobro! That pekora. Right bros? Such a war criminal.

>Niji management shits the bed for the Nth time.
>Yeah, but Holo though?

>>65306490
But she needs to make the money back you goddamn retard she is literally on her goddamn rm telling everyone she lost 15k and needs to start selling new merch there to get it back

Open big faggots and brown drama vtubers, I will spoonfeed you about this drama

>Selen release a cover from a lilypichu song
>The cover have art of formers talents, such as Nina and Mysta
>This was approved by management, like one of the people part of the cover said
>Source: https://twitter.com/127_sd_/status/1739511265259880614
>Selen does a post release stream about it, where she talks she solicited perms more than one year ago, lilypichi agreed, and they were "waiting" on the producer of the song
>Selen, then talk about how she had to contact the producer because they were mutual followers on twitter, and got his approval in a matter of a few messages, then ask him to send his approval via email to nijisanji, and the dude agree
>Source: https://twitter.com/Bolimeanscake/status/1739500757886410768
>Management get mad because this make them look incompetent and give selen a bullshit excuse to delete the cover
>The cover is deleted from Selen channel
>Selen then post on twitter this : https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1739495103612534860
>And tell her fans to reupload the cover in clear insurbonation, the fans get really mad and everyone is blaming the management
>some anon even threaten to do a shooting : https://twitter.com/p2eocene/status/1739497985682116810
>After this gain track and Selen's twitts have over 500k interactions,
>Selen PL, then post about losing over 15k USD in making "something"
>Millie decide to reply this to Selen: https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1739518726758940757
>Which if you aren't autistic and read on between on the line, is a classic bitchy response form a woman that is being passive-agressive
>Basically Millie is blaming Selen and that she is the cause of the problem, while defending the management of NijiEN

Now you are here

>>65306795
Again, who the fuck cares about them in terms of Selen's relationship towards effectively "Literal whos" in her circles.
She collab'd more with Yugo (and even visited him), than she ever did with Mysta or Nina. Put him on screen. She's going to probably see Bonnivier graduate due to health, put that fucker in there, she literally lived to collab with him early career
Stop juxtaposing stupid shit next to each other just because you think they correlate in your withered ass brain. Shit like this causes Hololive's CouncilRyS/Promise have to put Sana or allude to her in fucking EVERY SINGLE thing, because if not you get the "BEEG WHERE?". "Where's Sana", "They miss Sana!"

>>65306906
Selen? not her manager?

>>65306960
That's just her pity baiting. She knows she has a foot out the door and is trying to cover the gap between now and her next channel.

>>65306724
What are you on about, this is how typical corpo hierarchical structure works. It's why you have low, mid, and upper levels of managment and while upper management can approve or deny requests and offer advice they're ultimately hands off with anything they're not directly responsible for because there's no benefit for taking on that risk. If you meddle and someone else fucks up but puts the blame on you for meddling then it's your ass on the line for no reason, better to let the asshole fucking up just crash and burn and replace than risk getting thrown under the bus. And given the choice between your employment and theirs they will absolutely throw you under.

>>65306722
Eat shit you bootlicking troglodyte

>>65306981
this doesn't really make sense, how did management find out she went directly to the producer after but not before she released the cover

Nijisanji is my favorite sitcom. Every week there's a funny yab and every week nijifags get btfo.

>>65306981
>some anon even threaten to do a shooting
uhh... based?

>>65306600
And she can barely afford it, clearly. Can't bite the hand that feeds her.

nice work mane-san!

>>65303236
Are there seriously people on this site that don't see how rhetorically loaded and duplicitous this is? Every single thing Millie stated was rhetorical, first off. Any question stated is not meant to be answered by Selen, but is meant to convey a message to those viewing the tweets.
Considering this, the first full sentence is an attempt to paint a picture that this situation is unique to Selen, and that it is solely Selen's fault that this situation occurred. The second full sentence was meant to cast doubt on Selen's credibility, both as a worker and as a content creator. Selen has been with Nijisanji for longer than Millie has and has organized many collabs and events, therefore it is a given that Selen knows how to navigate situations like this. Millie's rhetorical question is meant to cast doubt on Selen's ability to communicate with management and organize events. The last tweet then entirely shifts the blame away from NijiEN management, which was built up to through the previous blame shifting towards Selen.
This is like, one of the most obvious examples of scumbaggery I've seen in Niji, which is saying something.

I LOVE NIJISANJI <3

>>65307076
Because she asked the producer to send a mail to the management via normal means to nijisanji, so they could take the credit, and she could just speed up the process of the creation of the cover. It's important to note that she was waiting for over a year for those perms from the management.

>>65307076
Because they never asked for the perms but somehow got it.

>>65307076
It's likely schizo babble, the more likely scenario is that either they didn't have permissions to use graduated talents in the MV and that management skimmed over the fact that at the very last scene there were two graduated talents, or another likely scenario is the fact that there was a My Little pony reference in the MV that looked very similar to another one of Hasbro's creations .
Japan not having copyright or parody laws makes doing things like that very iffy.
Like things are shit in Japan to the point where there were two people who recently got sued by it movies for reviewing the movies on YouTube, they didn't even like show anything of the movie they just spoke negatively of the movies and they got sued and lost a lawsuit for reviewing movies on YouTube.

Japan is a fucked up place for copyright and desperately needs a "fair use" policy

The fact Pomu liked Selen’s tweet and not Millie’s says it all

>>65306981
I forgot to add that this Cover was already done and was approved, and only then got the green lights weeks before they were launching it.

>>65307196
>>65307177
this doesn't explain why the cover wasn't canned before it was uploaded though, if her methods were the issue she would have gotten reprimanded beforehand

>>65307125
So Selen pays them to work on a project and she was going to release on her channel to recoup some of the costs, but because NijiEN staff is retarded now she can't and the views and ad revenue will all go to the people Selen already paid for the project. Am I getting this right?

>>65306724
https://kimi.wiki/work/company-hierarchy
japanese corporate structure is something to behold
that link is for small to mid companies. big ones have truly retarded number of positions with autistic level of siloing.

>>65307207
Considering niji management got mad at Zaion's deez nuts joke, saying it was a copyright violation of Dee's nuts... the MLP thing might be correct lmao

I hope this shit gains traction. I can't wait for management to deflect and throw Millie under the bus for the tweet rather addressing the liver/fan dissatisfaction for questionable decisions

well millie was always like this
https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1617033264522215426

>>65307308
That's how you know it was personal and they allowed it to go up and took it down with malicious intent

>>65307284
She's trying to damage control, but she really should just let Selen go at this point.

Not afraid to throw her friend under the bus to earn trustworthiness points with the company. Don't ever fire that girl so she can stay in that shithole

>>65307308
Because the cover was green-lighted weeks before the release, the problem isn't the cover but that Selen alone, got the perms by herself and then told everyone on stream, which made the management furious because they lose face with the headquarters (JP management)

>>65307207
cant be p*nie shit, selen has had those in her BGs forever without issue

>>65306981
>don't follow the company's rules on how they handle covers
>upload the cover anyway
>video gets justifiably privated by a manager trying to save both of your jobs
>seethe, deny accountability, fake ignorance and keep breaking company rules
???

>>65307452
bootlicker spotted

>holobeggars
https://twitter.com/MananaYt/status/1739505798127182124

Rumao

>>65307207
>management simply forgot about who graduated
As fucking retarded as that may seem I actually believe it. Niji management is known for its incompetence

>>65307353
Copyright is very serious in Japan, like it is a crime on the level of like drugs to the Japanese. Like everybody thinks that their brand is something special there's a reason why in anime You don't see McDonald's but instead you see WcDonald's and shit like that, you don't see 7/11 but 8/12 and etc etc.
If companies even think that you violated their copyright they can take you for a ride and more often than not courts rule in the favor of whoever holds the copyright.

The fact that there was a pony that looked very similar to one made by Hasbro is likely cause for them to remove the cover. It also would be something really easy to overlook if you didn't see it at first glance.

>>65307472
>t. never had a job

>>65307353
Mr beast lost a lawsuit regarding usage of deez nuts. Management was right

>>65307475
this is the kind of beggar I can get behind

>>65306981
If you're going to keep posting this screencap at least do a high res one without the play button for the love of god

>>65307452
I read posts like these sometimes and remember that Niji members browse this board and that this may actually be one of them.

>>65307452
Millie, you still got some shit from manesan's asshole in your mouth

>>65307570
Millie...

>>65307570
Nah, that is just schizo shit they would never do it

>>65307486
It's not a case of forgetting who graduated, it's a case of individual permission has to be asked for projects containing graduated people because the thing is that most the time if you're using somebody who is still in the company you can ask the company and that person, or even sometimes just the person .
But when that person is no longer around in that IP is only owned by top levels of management because of course it's not in use anymore, then you likely have to go through a separate course of paperwork and legal hoops to include graduated people in the MV .
Now You have a bunch of people who have most likely just skimmed through the first minute or so of the MV before approving it, going
>It's good!!
Only to realize after the MV comes out and they see that people were included who were not supposed to be included, then things get tricky and they have to pull the MV.

Is it something that definitely should have been taken care of beforehand? Yes. But I could easily see that being the problem because once again we're dealing with Japanese autism

>>65307570
>>65307596
see >>65307507
also you're obviously holofans

>>65307003
Management sent out the emails for perms, but the OG producer missed it, so selen reached out and asked them, the producer said yes, and selen reminded them that she needed them to formally say yes via email, so they did.

She then got a message from management saying they got the perms.

>>65307452
>don't follow the company's rules on how they handle covers
She followed them, they got the approval by mail, she just speeded up the process because they were mutuals on twitter with the producer of the original son, it's just that the management didn't know that selen speed up the process
>upload the cover anyway
Because it was green-lighted by the management
>video gets justifiably privated by a manager trying to save both of your jobs
The video get privated by the management to save face and in a form of revenge about the fact that Selen did their job, and they only realized after she said out publicly on stream.
>seethe, deny accountability, fake ignorance and keep breaking company rules
Was the management actions, yeah

>>65307509
Mr Beast was selling a physical product and directly profiting from it, Zaion wasn't. Management was wrong and retarded.

>>65307653
>anyone that DARES call out daddy riku is a "holofans"
Or maybe people are tired of your fucking shit have you ever thought of that with your tiny pea sized brain?

>>65307452
>talent under your command doesn't follow the company's rules on how they handle covers
>there are many weeks in advance to notice part of protocol is missing
>do nothing
>talent uploads cover, five seconds pass
>WTF huge disaster! How could we have seen this coming!

>>65307674
Technically though Zaion was profiting from it. During these streams where she used this asset while claiming to be sponsored by them she was making superchat money and streamlabs as well as ad revenue.

>>65307674
One day you'll realize how fickle US and JP courts are over even alleged sponsorships.

>>65305717
Anon, management should have spoken out earlier well in advance with a set of rules, like.
>DO NOT REFERENCE GRADUATED MEMBERS, EVEN IF YOU ARE ON GOOD TERMS WITH THEM OR OTHERWISE.
>DO NOT MENTION IF YOU CAN GET PERMISSIONS FOR X, Y OR Z
The talents keep on referencing Nina in streams well after she left, Selen mentioned extremely early on how she got Payday 2 perms IIRC, now all of a sudden they can't do that? It just seems to demonstrate how much of a shitshow NijiEN is in terms of management, that talents are basically throwing away time and money on projects that will never see the light of day due to sheer incompetence, even if they do everything by the book.

>>65307800
>>DO NOT REFERENCE GRADUATED MEMBERS, EVEN IF YOU ARE ON GOOD TERMS WITH THEM OR OTHERWISE.
is this the reason why the mv got privated? i bet not.

Invaders 3

>>65307831
As I've said numerous times it's actually possible that It was privated because of that, It's very likely that you have to have additional permission from management to use or reference graduated talents in the MV.

>>65307831
its one of the possibilities, which is retarded because it immediately opens the doors of "Did management not pay attention to what they were approving"?

Most likely the pony is too close to some Hasbro IPs, or Management/Selen didn't check every single box in the perms side so the one guy who tweaked that one picture could say he doesn't approve

>>65307831
This isnt the first time management clearly states their open hostility towards Selen. Did people seriously memoryhole her fucking tournament already?

>>65303236
She doesn't need to report everything she "feels" and assume someone did a mean thing to her. It's really fucking ridiculous that she always plays the victim card first without any confirmation. Why can't she say just "There's something wrong with this. I'll check it. Please wait a minutes." I don't trust anything this snowflake bitch says anymore. Also this is why western vtubers fucking suck. They publicly spew shit like conspiracy theorists.

>>65303236
I'm not familiar with anything nijisanji, why do they hate Selen so fucking much? Every time I see her on catalog they're always fucking her over. Is there an actual reason, not whatever the obvious bootlicker in the thread thinks?

https://litter.catbox.moe/kwy508.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/kwy508.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/kwy508.jpg

>>65307965
>Why can't she say just "There's something wrong with this. I'll check it. Please wait a minutes."
Retardchama, she already told people to go ahead and reupload it. She wouldn't have said that if there was a chance of fixing this. It's dead for good in an official capacity

>>65307763
Technically Zaion wasn't profiting from it since superchat and streamlabs are donations not payment for services or products and ad revenue is on YouTube's end and if they thought it was a problem you take the stream down not FIRE THE TALENT MAKING A JOKE

Holy shit the Nijidrones are working overtime on this thread.
Imagine supporting the company over your talents EVERY TIME
deranged.

>>65307949
To be fair that was kind of her fault, she literally specified later on the stream that The first tournament that she hosted was very very difficult to do and that it required a lot of hoops to be jumped through and then she failed to do several things like secure the rooms and stuff like that to the point where the event went pretty bad to start off with. It was good don't get me wrong but it had a very rough start .
Then she also want to monetize/give a monetary reward to the victor which requires extra work because of Japanese gambling laws
She also did mention the fact that she leaked the date when she shouldn't have and while that one was really stupid on management's part, technically I could definitely see them getting a little bit upset .
She did kind of imply that it wasn't a case of being banned necessarily but just really not being interested in jumping through further hoops when it was such a challenged jump through the hoops of the last one and there were more hoops to jump through for that one.

>>65307905
If this spirals out of control into selen's graduation because a brony that can't draw any other type of art for their oshi, that's both funnier and sadder than the time zaion got canned for joking she was sponsored by raid shadow legends.

she's hiding the reason of the takedown and going rogue lmao
she wants out

>>65307949
That's not hostility, that's having to remind Selen to stop taking "i can" spoken agreements as "I will" commitments

BLACK
COMPANY

>>65308054
This doxxsite is having server issues so they have nowhere else to badmouth selen, please andastand

>>65305538
You missed the whole story about how Nijisanji went behind everyone back and made a deal with Nintendo. Then their drone raided every stream in the vtuber sphere for not having a permission. They literally gave all the leverage to the publishing company to harass jp streamers.
Capcom dares to strike Mio channel because of Nijisanji and their drone.

>>65308022
On that stream she did have super chats enabled and you can see how many she got and how much she made off of them for that stream, streamlabs also has a way to do that.
While it definitely was a joke, the problem is that when you're claiming to be sponsored by someone you're using a logo that is close to theirs and you are making profit off of it, you can get sued for it. Literally Mr beast just lost his lawsuit because of the fact that he was using a brand with a Z instead of an s but it was close enough to the original to where courts ruled in their favor.
Copyright is retarded and that's all there is to it,

>>65307486
It’s a fucking death game

>>65308018
Professionals don't bother to publicly "report" what's going on in their companies and their surroundings. This bitch lives in some stupid juvenile fantasy drama.

>>65308151
Getting an exclusivity deal != going behind someone's back
If anything, Cover was lacking for not going for the same
Also also, Nintendo is batshit crazy but also wields a fuckhuge club, so i can hardly blame anyone for doing anything they can to evade them

>>65307905
>>65308088
If it's just the pony they can just remove it and reupload, or blur it and reupload.
If it's a simple issue she wouldnt straight up tell fan to reupload.

>pomu cucks her fans with luca again
>tons of cold chicken
>sub 10k alban outfit reveal
nijiniggers having a bad christmas

>>65308054
The company is Nijifan's oshi, of course they'll defend it over the talents

>>65308003
She lost the workplace politics battle.

>>65308170
It's not like it was some detailed behind the scenes expose, dipshit, the video went down and she had to make a statement of some sort. Literally all she said was "I was told to private the video" and "I'm sad". How much more to the fucking point could it be?

>>65308230
>>tons of cold chicken
qrd?

>>65308054
Nijisanji fans are the weirdest I've seen of any company. What compels someone to ride for the management of a company more than the talents everytime something happens, especially when it keeps happening to specific members. Why do they care so much about faceless nobodies that are dedicated to fucking over their own talents?

>>65306672
Retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain

>>65308295
Kotoka cooking stream where she bit into it and it was raw

>>65308207
It really is sad how much Nintendo probably influences how fucking bad copyright is in Japan because they're such a greedy fucking corporation.

>>65307207
>there was a My Little pony reference in the MV that looked very similar to another one of Hasbro's creations
You could just delete that reference and then re-upload the video.

>>65308158
She was literally not profiting from a fake sponsorship because there was no profit and there was no sponsor

>>65308323
But her song isn't public domain. You still have to credit her if you cover it.

if management was targeting her why did they let her upload a cover 4 days ago without an issue

>>65308311
Broken miserable people

>>65308311
The only thing I can think of is that they're stock holders and their livelihood depends on it. They need the company to succeed and dont give a fuck about talents

>>65307831
Just want to add, the company had to ask a liver (Mayuzumi Kai)'s permission to appear in SOME already recorded content like Koushien after he graduated. This is his own words - he gave them "permission" to do so.

>>65308207
Do you think Nijisanji do it because it is the right thing? They do it to cut off other agencies from the content and that is scummy af.

>>65308360
Except, there was profit. Super chats are enabled for cats organized neatly and so are streamlabs.
Ad revenue is also enabled for it.

Profit was being made off the stream. Even though the sponsorship was fake it was a real brand she claimed to be sponsored by while making money, even in America that can potentially be seen as fraud or false advertising. Japan has 10x harsher copyright ordeals

>>65308311
We're just sick of Selen and dragoon's throwing a bitchfit over every mistake she makes. Everyone has them, but she's the only one that expects to be catered to

>>65307706
If they had brains they wouldn't be nijifags

>>65308388
then why did they private it after 4 days?

>>65308585
anon she uploaded this cover today

>>65308357
Very easily yes but then you have to go through the process of likely getting every individual art piece approved AGAIN and going through lily and her producers AGAIN just to re-upload it.

At least id imagine you'd have to

>>65308357
That's the reasonable thing to do. But maybe Selen is in her joker arc. This is the society in which we live in now.

>>65308486
They went for a deal with Nintendo, they as the asking company really had nothing to offer to make it exclusive. Nintendo either liked the idea of exclusivity, saw there wasn't anyone else worth sharing the perms to, or just simply didn't care
What i'm trying to say is Anycolor was looking out for themselves, and at the time Cover w asn't the powerhouse it is today. Trying to personify two companies as being malicious or hateful only benefits your narrative, but not the objective truth

>>65308585
>>65308388
Where are you schizos getting this 4day shit? She uploaded it 6 hours ago

>>65308311
Nijifags aren't actually fans of niji talents or even watch them because they enjoy nijisanji, they watch nijisanji because they are too cool for hololive and think being a fan of their direct competitor makes them cool

>>65308615
that's even worse then

>>65308559
Nijinig, that's not how this works. If Dee's Nuts wanted to sue there would be nothing to sue over because the only product or service in question is the stream. Their only recourse is to tell YouTube to takedown the vod on copyright grounds. That's it.

>>65308657
>schizo
i'm talking about a separate cover that she uploaded 4 days ago

Holy fucking shit, no other vtfans put corpo so high and are ready to put the talent, that is still part of the company even, through the mud.

>>65308615
>time taken to support talents, such as getting 3D models: infinity
>time taken to shit on models not in the clique: a nanosecond
good priorities. the blackest company

>>65308150
It's so weird, I never hear anybody in the Niji thread or anywhere else even bring up the dox site but yet people like (You) check it so often that you can tell people when it's down. I've seen the whole
>w-well I was only seeing what they had to say...
excuses posted too, but I have this weird feeling that the site is mainly filled with people like (You).

So if I understand this correctly, this project was handled so badly by NijisanjiEN management that some people appearing in it have graduated since, management was too retarded to remember "Oh yeah the art for this was commissioned a year ago - maybe we should check if we unpersoned anybody in it since then lol" and then force her to private it after realizing their "mistake"

Remember when people claimed Nijisanji has the best management in the business LOL

>>65308585
>4 days
Anon, time traveling hasn't been invented yet

>>65308559
Not that guy but you seem to be overly invested in this particular discourse. You reek of management

>>65308721
then she shouldn't have fucked up. Everyone else works hard to make things work, why can't Selen?

>>65308720
??????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXGIP0Ay3Sw
This one? Its not even relevant to the discussion whatsoever

>>65303236
Oh no the family is collapsing

>>65308760
Proof she fucked up?
Also how do those boots taste KEK

>>65308647
this post really comes off as something a corporate drone would say

I'm beginning to think all the management bootlickers are just larpers who want to make nijifans look bad. Is this what seeing through the matrix is like?

>>65308741
I'm from the future
Selen will slap her resignation notice in the face of EN management in about 15 hours

>>65308778
it is if the narrative is "management has it out for her". why was this cover uploaded without issue?

>>65308720
That one wasn't uploaded in Christmas that's why.
Nijisanji decided to send her a great christmas present

>>65308311
You clearly haven't see kawaii schizos then

>>65308857
That cover doesn't have graduated talents, people outside the company and doesn't use other companies assets you fucking retard

>>65306981
>clear insubordination
Today, LCpl. Selen Tatsuki was charged with insubordination for failing to properly shine her superior officer's boots. The officer claimed that it "made him look bad", and convened a court-martial to investigate. PFC. Millie Parfait, from her platoon, is set to testify against her. She was, however, temporarily unavailable for comment, due to her tongue being surgically attached to COL. Riku Tazumi's asshole. In a prior interview, PFC. Parfait was reportedly happy to tongue her superior officer's asshole, saying that it "tast[ed] like pagpag" and "remind[ed] her of home".

>>65308838
I wish I could cope by pretending this was the case like you, but this has been the case for 3+ years now.
This really is just what Niji looks like when they have to choose between company or their organs

>>65308838
Millie is the biggest corpo boot licker. Fan reflects the oshi.

>>65308627
I just realized this isn't necessarily about defending Nijisanji but about catty sisters who just want to take down streamers they don't like.

>>65306981
>open big
why am i not surprised the bootlicking nijidrone is ESL

>>65308828
I mean, considering how fickle some of you lot are, anything can be drone speak
>Facts, Historical reference, Logic....sounds like drone speak to me!
>Rrats and schizo posting? I'm screenshotting this for later!

>>65308857
just because it is uploaded doesnt mean it is without issue anon. They could have made her a world of trouble before she gets to upload that one, you just never hear her complain about it.

Also 2 covers released within 4 days spelt issues too me. Usually you would want to spread your release out further than 4 days

>>65308698
Yes a stream where she was making money and she is making profit while claiming to be sponsored by the brand Dees Nuts. She even has an advertising logo to help emphasize the fact that she is sponsored by this brand while she is making profit.

That is called fraud or false advertising, when you are making money while claiming to be sponsored by somebody and going out of your way to emphasize the fact that you're sponsored by that person/brand, But you're really actually not sponsored by them and you're just making money by "using their name" companies get really pissy about that and start filing lawsuits. To avoid lawsuits what you do is you tell people not to do things like that. Which is once again why you see fake brands in Japanese TV and anime unless those brands are sponsors of the show.
>>65308744
I just have a fucking brain which is apparently too much to ask for. Literally look up the lawsuit that happened between Mr beast and Dee's Nuts. Look up why Japan uses fake names in their animes for brands. Like this information isn't hard to come across pretty easy to come across in fact. You can even ask chat GPT and it will tell you straight up that claiming to be sponsored by a brand while not actually owning a sponsorship for that brand and profiting off of said fake sponsorship, is potentially illegal and can potentially be ruled as fraud or false advertising. And you can also look up many cases about how fucking bad Japan's copyright laws are and how easy it is to get sued because the fact that corporations suck ass.

>>65305677
For Dan Dan, Mumei (in her word) is the one taking it down herself since she does not like some of the connections being made there.

>>65308895
>mysta and nina imagery are in multiple projects post graduation
>selen has had those ponies in her BG for 6 months without issue
these are not the reason it was taken down

>>65308838
A few of it is maybe shitposters, but I bet the majority of NijiEN fans are adamantly defending the company. It's because of sunken time and money because nobody wants to be part of something falling apart, and its probably due to NijiEN's closeness like a "family" that make them defend them. One person fucking up probably results badly on all of them.
Even though management throughout this year has more than demonstrated enough incompetence at running the branch.


>>65308627
I think due to Selen and NijiEN's disagreements over the course of this year, their business relationship is dead in the water.

>>65309005
>it is to get sued because the fact that
another ESL Nijidrone
every fucking time

>>65308980
>just realized
Yeah, it's been like this for a few years now

>>65309056
just pretend all of them are Millie

>>65306724
Try to work on a MNC. They have several levels of managements all the way to CEO.

Cover is pretty agile for japanese company with responses in matter of hours or days.

>>65309116
At least one of them probably is, we know the talents are /here/ after all.

>>65309005
Again, the product or service that generated any money would be the stream. If there's any issues they take it up with YouTube and get the vod taken down. That's all that would've possibly happened. You don't know shit about contract law and commerce

The absolute fucking state of nijiniggers. Karma's a bitch. Lol

>>65309005
Anon, what you're spewing isn't exactly knowledge the average layman would know. It's detailed to the point where it's clear you are someone who works within that field, and the way you're going around downplaying management's involvement leads me to believe you have intimate knowledge about the particular going ons.

>>65309116
kek, thanks this is my new headcanon

>>65303236
Selen is the only bitch in that entire black company I respect, the rest of them are all a bunch of backbiting snakes tearing at each other for no fucking reason. Nijisanji the only vtuber agency with a Discord channel expressly for doing their mean girl gossip bullshit which we know for a fact because Petra accidentally showed it on stream

I hope Selen can find an org that will respect her time and effort

>>65308647
You are pretty naive huh.

>>65306724
Most corporate office jobs are useless waste of money and resources. This happens all the time because it's not their money they are wasting

>>65309276
If he was involved then he's retarded and got the whole thing entirely wrong. Unless you're directly profiting by directly selling a product or service there is nothing to sue over other than ad revenue since the only product or service rendered was the vod and that's on the platform YouTube so they would have to sue YouTube, but that's why you file a copystrike takedown. This isn't new, this was all hashed out during apocalypse

>>65309056
Sorry I'm using voice to type. I actually get really tired of typing out everything and so I try to use my voice to type and sometimes it produces results that I don't catch. Apologies.

>>65309554 (me)
adpocalypse, dumb autocorrect

The worst part of Kurokara fucking up everytime is that it means the fans that will leave will end up at Hololive's doorstep at some point. For this reason alone, I, as a Holochad, feel that Kurokara should better themselves rapidly. 'cause the only thing worse than Nijisanji, is a Nijifan.

>deleted
Niji bootlicker sister lmao

>>65309163
>You don't know shit about contract law and commerce
To be fair, neither does the black company in question.

>>65305538
Most of the original soul of Hololive was lost that day... still is...

>>65305538
Fat cat's Yume Nikki playthrough...

Is it possible that Nijien management just doesn't communicate to each other either?
Maybe lower management approved it because there were no technical issues such as copyright, Selen uploaded it, upper management saw it and the "problematic content" and then privated it.

>>65310064
NijiEN management, and to an extent HoloEN management are mostly nepo positional spots. It's a very low risk, high reward ordeal wherein they can be as engaging or distanced as possible, because the EN branches are still seen as a pet project

>>65309035
I'm still confused about what the problem was. Joking about a third of yurop getting exterminated is fun and games, but some americans were bawling and shrieking because a handfull of space men died?

>>65310366
>Joking about a third of yurop getting exterminated is fun and games, but some americans were bawling and shrieking because a handfull of space men died?
Congratulations, if you aren't arguing in bad faith, you are severely autistic and may qualify for NEET bux. Obviously crying over the challenger is pathetic, but if you honestly can't see why there might be a difference between these two events, you are not a functional human! Bonus points for insinuating it is some sort of EU/NA thing.

>>65309276
It's really not anything that you'd have to go out of your way to look up. I'm just autistic and I fucking look up shit like this. After everybody can standing about how innocent and how this would never happen, I started looking into copyright and Japan and how copyright works and how fucked the entire system is.
You can believe I have intimate knowledge if you so desire but really, I just started looking up shit. Like the case where two people ended up being sued for recapping movies on YouTube in Japan
https://japantoday.com/category/crime/first-convictions-in-japan-handed-down-to-youtube-movie-recap-posters

>>65309163
Yes the stream would generate money it would generate money while you were claiming to be sponsored by a brand you weren't sponsored by. Yes, that is indeed a crime in a lot of places. Especially in Japan. You really really really do not seem to understand how fucked Japan's copyright system is.
Like you should look up some of the shit the Japanese Society for Rights of Authors, Composers, and Publishers pulls.
>If a teacher plays a song on a piano in front of their students that's copyright infringement and they owe us money
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/06/05/reference/japan-copyright-body-courts-anger-casting-wider-net/
Copyright is so incredibly fucked up and especially in Japan

>>65310483
I saw the usual twitter drones going off about the Challenger and I assure you it was only NAs because outside of the states no one fucking cares or remembers.
>if you honestly can't see why there might be a difference between these two events
muh temporal distance. There's probably still more people alive that had a direct death in their immediate family resulting from the Titanic sinking, wich is still in, than the Challenger one. National Grief is a politcal scam and the reason why everyone is still virtue signaling over 9/11

>>65311255
People get easily upset over tiny shit. Nobody who watches vtubers was even alive when that shit went up in flames

>>65306981
not a bad summary

>>65308738
They're the best at extracting profits

>>65307664
yup this dragoon is accurate. I can't believe your oshi is getting manhandled this hard.

>>65308054
I thought it was a meme but you weren't joking. There should be 100% support behind Selen but the fact that they're shading her as super incompetent here, I don't know, man. I'm supporting the employee than the employer

It's amazing that she still stays there despite getting treated like this.

I fucking told you about flip vtubers bros
It doesn't even matter where they live or grew up, it's in the blood

>>65314085
So if I dick one down they'll ride or die?

>>65303911
She got all the promotions lately.