/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6509913
Skin color filters people

>>6509913
knife ears

>>6509913
>700k subs as a vtuber
>not a huge success
>why does no one like flare
Kill yourself and take 90% of the board with you.

>>6509913
flares original rigging was the worst

Dark elves aren't popular

>>6509913
Literally look at the superchats, she's doing more than fine.

>>6509913
I don't speak japanese sorry

>>6509994
That’s only 300k more than Anya

>>6509913
if we talk about superchat flare beats noel and also in term of superchat the 3rd gen is the most success

>>6509913
No gimmick, simple as.
>Rushia is hardcore GFE
>Pekora is loud silly rabbit
>Marine is the lewd one
>Noel has fat tits and is a ditz
Flare doesn't have a gimmick. She is quite literally "Noel's girlfriend".

>>6509994
You may think it's not important but p. sure Flare herself is constantly agonizing over the fact that she's the only one in her gen who hasn't reached 1 million.
People compare themselves to their friends not random strangers

>>6509994
only good post in this garbage thread

Nothing meme worthy.

>pettan killer
>peko peko hahaha
>BOOBA
>Boomer
>¿¿¿¿?????

Not dark enough to be a delicious chocolate dark elf, not light enough to be a blonde bimbo elf.

She acts cool but doesn't really pull it off, no matter what her genmates say.

>>6509913
Not funny

>>6509913
SHES FUCKING HIDEOUS LIKE IRYS. Disgusting elf ears should be outlawed.

Honestly I feel bad for her. I think it's because she's the least insane of the group besides being lolicon. She debuted with a horny pirate a war criminal comedian a crazy yandere and paired with a big titty asmr shotacon. She actually a big dork and her weeze laugh is fucking great. Underrated.

>>6509913
She gets more viewers than Noel

she was given a premade character and it was both poorly made and didnt suit her personality

>>6510058
number of members in the world's top 20 on superchat
0 gen: 1
1 gen: 1
2 gen: 1
3 gen: 5 all
4 gen: 3 cocochi...
5 gen: 1
gamers: 1
holoen: 1

>>6509913
It's gonna make it even better when she does hit 1 million.

>>6510140
But she herself literally said that she changed from trying to be cool, that's also why she changed her voice.

>>6509913
Flare is one of the top superchat earners. She merely went for quality instead of quantity.

Brown and worst voice of gen 3. She's a hard worker, but effort only takes you so far.

>>6509913
wtf are you retards talking about, flare literally earn more superchat than both aqua, korone AND Noel the girl in the same gen as her.

chumkeks go to bed

>>6510546
Welcome to /vt/, abandon hope all ye who enter here

She had a rough start with a bad model and a bad gimmick she just didn't stand out compared to her other gen mates.
However she is doing well now, has a smaller but loyal following. Also I think many people at least appreciate her in collaborations with other girls.

>>6509943
fpbp
everyone else is coping trying to avoid the elephant in the room

>>6510546
>Aqua
Can you just Google something before saying anything?

But anyways, based

>>6510067
She's one the best singers in Hololive, a decent artist and gamer, and is great at connecting people and organizing collabs. She's much more than just "Noel's girlfriend".

>>6510770
i made some mistake, she didn't earn more than korone but still make more than both aqua and noel in june
11. Calliope - $49,266
12. Flare - $48,637
13. Aqua - $47,320
14. Suisei - $47,166
15. Noel - $38,724
16. Kiara - $37,252

>>6509913
flares a niche already in a star studded lineup. she's like that one reliever who does incredible work in a pitching staff yet gets no respect since she doesn't get the wins, and doesn't get the saves. flare's solid no matter what

>>6511067
Yeah, Flare really has a very loyal and based fanbase who supports her in a good manner. Also she is really important behind the scenes in Hololive, not at the same level as Fubuki but almost there. OP is a fucking numberfag

>>6511344
flare is incredibly solid as a person, and the same for noel. its a shame that people forget that both are regularly there for both streams and even support

>>6510787
Found the elfriend.

>>6509913
she is barehend what is barehend
she is not using a heavy voice changer like the others she is using a normal voice.

this filter most of the hololive fanbase

>>6509913
she's successful, she just happened to get put in the same gen as a bunch of absolute monsters of vtubing

>>6511470
you say that like it's a bad thing

>>6510259
No.
Average live viewers in 2021:
Flare 6 441
Noel 7 412

Flare’s kinda boring compared to the other 3. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, but you can definitely see how Rushia, Pekora, and Marine all have their own thing that makes it easier for them to attract viewers. You got screaming yandere GFE, I’m Horny!, and crazy warcrime rabbit.

Noel’s kinda boring too, but she’s got the whole onee-san thing going on, plus the Massive tits and ASMR.

Flare’s just.. Flare. There’s nothing wrong with her, she’s fun enough to watch, chill person, helps out her friends in Minecraft, that kind of stuff. But there’s not a lot to really set her apart. I like her like that, but as far as the masses go,… what do you think they’re going to watch? The ones who are streaming themselves showering together or the one who who made a pretty office in Minecraft?

>>6509913
she's the second uglyiest Holo after Irys, simple as

>>6509913
Weird voice

>>6510140
If you think Flare acts cool you don’t actually watch her at all.

ITT: Racist Nousagi.

Maybe I can elucidate the subject, as a noob.

I've never even considered Flare, because I see ZERO clips of her, or cant bring up any memorable moments with other girls.

Rushia, Marine, and fuckin Pekora...need I say anything, are quite literally 90% of all hololive clips.

Noel, I've seen loads of clips with her, and she seems really sweet and quite like her character, and a lot of great clips with the other girls. I like her, despite never going on her channel ever.

I've never seen anything about Flare. Not one clip in all of my viewing.

I've seen almost nearly every girl too, except her. The only girl in all of hololive I can think of, who ive never seen is Lamy, and even I can remember a clip of her saying to Calli her mic was on in a cute voice in Among Us, and in hologra.

Flares not even in hologra, not any clips I remember. Even Anya I know.

I actually WATCHED a flare clip and it was so boring, I don't even remember anything she said. I just uninterestedly watched it, judging how terrible lookin the art of her model was, and the background was, and what her character even was.

I genuinely think she must be fuckin boring. Not interesting, or entertaining at all, no talent at being a streamer or performing.

>>6510770
Flare has about 25% less earnings than Aqua on half the total super chats. Her gachikois pay out like Rushia’s they just aren’t as numerous.

>>6517246
Basing your entire opinion off of them based off of stupid ass clips is your problem. It’s fine though idiots like you staying away from Flare is for the best.

she gets to fuck noel, thats all that matters

>>6509943
BASED
FPBP

>>6509943
Fpbp Sad but it's true

>>6510787
All this and I only know her as Noel's girlfriend sorry anon

If you're mad as shit at accusations flare is boring post a few good clips and the madness will end.

>>6509943
Flare should have looked like this, instant 1.5 mil

>>6517246
>as a noob
Glad you admitted it, because literally everything you said is basically wrong.

>I've never seen anything about Flare. Not one clip in all of my viewing.
There are a lot of Flare clips. Big clippers like Sushi are doing more and more Flare clips since she got her new costume and pandering to EOPs. Shiranui Kensetsu streams are the 2nd most popular Minecraft streams after usaken streams. Your YouTube algorithm is just fucked.

>Flares not even in hologra, not any clips I remember. Even Anya I know.
Flare used to be in some hologra, but it's hardly a good indicator of who's popular because the choices are so random every time.

>I genuinely think she must be fuckin boring. Not interesting, or entertaining at all, no talent at being a streamer or performing.
Glad to know you're also a fucking retard since you arrived to this conclusion based completely off of ignorance.

>>6510067
Flare does GFE too...

>>6509913
Flare is #9 most superchatted vtuber, retard.

>>6518250
Isn't she a dyke?

>>6518628
if straight members get to yuri bait, it's only fair...

>>6518628
Pretty much a girly girl who likes male/female romance. She's hella straight in solo streams.

>>6509913
I felt so bad for her when she had 500 viewers, she's Vtubing on hard mode. Minecraft and her new outfit helped her a lot and now she's doing fine.

>>6510075
Nah Flare never complain since she hit 100k<. Her complain was only back then when she was at 15k while everyone else closing in 100k

>>6509913
Because Flare never meshed well with Gen 3. She is inclining now because she meshes much better with her Shiranui Ken group of Miko, Suisei, and Polka. Seriously, you can see the increase in her energy when she is hanging out with them.

>>6510787
>one of the best singers
I say this as someone that's watched a Flare karaoke stream so I know she's great, but the branding of her musical talent isn't the best. When you think of great singers in Hololive you might think of at least 3 other girls before you think of Flare, and that's not good enough.
>decent artist
Unfortunately nobody cares if you're not at the top or near the top of the company in terms of art.
>gamer
There's an entire gene that makes this null.
>great at connecting people at organizing collabs
You want me to tell you what other Holos I always hear this about? Robocco, Choco and Iofi. That's the sort of company she's with.

Flare's a great girl for sure but when you're surrounded by other big personalities and you're unable to size up then you run the risk of just becoming a +1

>>6519031
This may be true for gaming, but MariFure is the best duo in Hololive. Perfect synergy, funny banter, good song selection and great singing. They're probably my favorite streams.

>>6509913
Because people are mad she got to suck on Noel humongous titties whenever she wants.

>>6509913
Dark skin just doesn't look good. Anime characters are almost entirely white because it simply looks better.

>>6517499
You're correct but her genmates' boom came off the back of clips. Not having them is a key reason she's so far behind.

>>6509913
Noel has a pretty voice and make me horny when she start talking about shotas and that the smell of her brother make her feel nervous cus she's also a brocon. Flare on the other hand is just so boring. The only entertaining you can get out of Flare is when she talks about what she did with Noel... I'm not sure if they're just pretending like Kiara and Calli but Noel and Flare seem quite serious.

>>6509913
Noel has a pretty voice and make me horny when she start talking about shotas and that the smell of her brother make her feel nervous cus she's also a brocon. Flare on the other hand is just so boring. The only entertainment you can get out of her is when she talks about what she did with Noel... I'm not sure if they're just pretending like Kiara and Calli but Noel and Flare seem quite serious.

>>6519483
>Pretending like Kiara and Calli

Only one of the two is pretending.

>>6519603
both are, Mori likes asian manlets and Kiara likes BBC

>>6509913
>700k subs
>bad
This is your brain on corporatetubers.

>>6510106
True. The Yoda / star wars meme was her chance but instead she shot it down immediately, unlike Noel.

Being in a generation with Marine, Pekora and Rushia can be hard when you're not Marine, Pekora or Rushia.

Losing out to those three is hardly a mark against her.

Losing out to generic big tit literally just an ethot Noel is a bit embarrassing, I suppose, but eh, she's also Flare's girlfriend, so hey.

It's the consequence of being the straight man in the group. And I don't mean straight sexually of course.

>>6511067
While that's a fact, Aqua barely streamed in June. She'd probably be Rushia levels of superchat queen if she streamed as often.

EOP opinions are always so bizarre.

>>6509913

>>6509913
Flare was struggling to reach 50k a year and a half ago. How quickly newfags forget the numbers.

>>6510106
>>6510067
>>6517246
>>6519483
I find it bizarre how some people on this board seem to actively hate Flare for not having a wacky gimmick to depend on like her genmates. It seems like you want anime characters and not real people who happen to use an avatar.

>>6521742
I hate her for fucking noel she would've been my oshi if it wasn't for that fucking talentless cow

>>6521930
it's really more of a friends with benefits situation from what I can tell

>>6509913
she doesn't have any gimmick

>>6521742
The fact that she doesn't have a gimmick played a huge role in me immediately oshi'ing her as soon as I found her.

>>6517034
Sure didn't stop Pekola

>>6509913
she got the short end of the stick with her character design

>>6509913
Nigger nerf

>>6509943
FBFP and this is the absolutely correct answer, and this too >>6511379

Is there any Kassyoku moe overseas? Very sad ... Kassyoku is not just a limited specific race

>>6517161
She doesn't need to act cool because she IS cool

>>6509913
because she is a ugly nigger, should have claimed a better design

>>6509913
design is unattractive.

>>6509913
>why no one like Flare
cringe roastie voice and force lesbian quirky gimmick with Noel

>>6509913
She’s a nigger

Don't get me wrong I love Flare, but do you think she would've reached one million subs already if her original design had pale white skin and a better rig? What do you think anons

>>6509913
i swear the same fags that make the 'kiara is a failure even though she has 1 million subs+' threads made this
kill yourself.

>>6529376
Having a rig on par with her current model definitely would've helped, I don't even want to imagine a world were Flare ain't tanned as fuck though.

>>6521742
Gimmick is not the right word. She needs something that stand out, something nobody else can imitate, she's an entertainer. This is why some streamers dye their hair pink, blue or whatever.
Having something that stand out make it easy for people to like you with clips. Look at who are in the 1 million club in JP, they all do something or have something unique to them

> Korone plays retro game
> Sui-chan is a god at tetris
> Coco was the foul mouth anti-idol with unique programs
> Miko and Pekora have very high tone voice which lead to funny moments in games
> Rushia, Noel and Okayu have soothing voice very useful for ASMR
> Haachama cooking and lewd review

Now if you look at who are not in the top
> Sora
> Roboco
> Akirose
> Mel
> Choco
> Luna
> Flare

None of them stand out except for Luna who's voice actually filters people.

Not having a gimmick is fine, but it'll take a lot more time for them to be up there because the viewer acquisition is bad. But most of the time, it also means the retention is good. If you check at Gura's views, only 18% of her subs watch her videos while Flare is at 22%.

This is why also why Holostars aren't getting subs as fast. As male, you need three times more talent as an entertainer to make it.

>>6509943
I like the skin color, I don't like the ears or face. I need a brown loli Holo.

Any reason why Flare didn't play DMC3?

>>6532992
DMC3 Dante is too cringe for Flare

>>6533023
Dropped

>be Flare
>struggle to get 700k subs in almost two years
>be Ollie
>dropkick that number in six months without effort

Flaretards are on fucking suicide watch.

She's darker skin and the Japs hate niggers

>>6533111
>Japs

Everyone.

>>6509913
Don't like how her model animates/rigged, also dark elves should have silver/white hair. Blonde + dark skin is more for gyaru which would be top tier as well but that's not what we got

>>6509913
>Not for (You)
>Annoying voice
>Has 0 personality
>"I'm not a dark elf bigot"

We could've gotten a gyaru dark elf titty monster but instead of we got someone that depends on other people to stay relevant

>>6519185
Then how would you explain the others with even lower subscriber counts?

>>6533111
wrong, I love dark elves she's not dark enough though

>>6533174
why does she care so much when people call her a dark elf?

>>6533259
Because dark elves are associated with hentai.

>>6533259
she hates niggers

>>6533295
Why are the japanese like this?

>>6521742
>It seems like you want anime characters and not real people who happen to use an avatar.
yes? that the whole point of vtubers? are you new or just braindead?

>>6533295
>Because dark elves are associated with hentai.
>Why are the japanese like this?
Sounds based to me.

>>6532992
She's still saving it

>>6510106
Flare is cool. One of the coolest girls in Hololive.

WELL the fact is its hard to compete with when you have pekora marine and rushia in the same generation as you where the three of them are great entertainers

Still flare is probably one of my faves in holo,as as an anisong enthusiast, her singing voice is one of the best in hololive

>>6532927
>Gimmick is not the right word. She needs something that stand out
"Gap Moe"
Apart from Gen0, every holo has a natural quirk they utilize
(as you may have noticed, normal people don't pass the auditions)

Flare was suppose to be the needy GFE, but opted not to go for it, making her stall in sub growth(and was eventually overtaken by Rushia)


Also I'm pretty sure Suisei's gap is the suicopathy, not tetris

>>6533259
Apparently Flare is pretty prudish and doesn't like how much skin her original model was showing, which begs the question as to why she auditioned for a big tits dark skin elf avatar. I thought Gen 3 onward has some inputs for their models.

But if you want to saviorfag there are other chuubas/indies. Flare ranks top 10 in superchat and membership. She's doing fine besides the sub count at a measly 700k, putting her in the top 0.01% within the industry.

>>6509943
I know people are replying because
>Muuuhh le based nigger hate am I right ???
But the actual reason is because she is just boring as fuck compared to any of her gen mates and she doesn't have unique gimmicks like Pekora, Rushia or Marine for example. And neither is a titmonster like Noel, Flare is just here, existing.

>>6534671
Nope, gen 3 was still 100% premade before auditions. Marine, Noel and Flare were up for grabs, Rushia and Pekora were already filled by the time auditions were posted.

>>6509913
Her existence is needed to balance things out, without her sankisei would be unstoppable, truly the most important member.

>>6509913
Faggots who know japanese and saw her twitter, knows that what she is doing now is being 2 faced bitch

>>6510367
Yeah, she is now using her cute fake voice and trying to do Michael Jackson shit with her skin tone and elf ears. That bitch is fake af

>>6509943
>>6534826
Actually, and this would apply more to nips but can to some westerners, "pure" people are perceived as "white", tan would be closer to sin.

The nigga thing is a western person's stigma on racism and or preferences, but a japanese person would generally go for pale skin over tan unless they have a fetish or see the actual person

>>6521742
>Duuh why you pypou don't lik chuubas who doesn't have gimmicks (Literally fucking act like an proper vtuber)
Go watch twitchthots, you bitch.

>>6521742
>It seems like you want anime characters and not real people who happen to use an avatar.
When a normalfag accidently reveals he doesn't get vtubers. Yes they're supposed to be playing anime characters you retard. Go watch some random twitch thot if you want a streamer.

>>6533074
>without effort
(You)

Flare is fun when she is with others but herself I don't find her that fun

>>6533174
>We could've gotten a gyaru dark elf titty monster but instead of we got someone that depends on other people to stay relevant
Absolutely this. If Flare played as a gyaru dark elf, she would be way more successful, but she resorted to yuribait with Noel instead and became known as just "Noel's girlfriend". I hope that after the Takamori fiasco these girls stops doing this shit.

>>6535126
Look at this, she is hot as hell. What went wrong ?

>>6535756
Flare is really good with her hips and very hot overall, but she hates doing anything sexual and refuses to get her original outfit fixed because of how much skin it shows

>>6534826
Yup.

>>6535126
where is this from? (real genuine question here)

>>6534826
I honestly think both reasons are valid

>>6536466
Bloom concert from February

>>6509913
I like Flare, she's great

>>6509998
Glad they improved it so much now.

>>6510229
>t orc

>>6521742
>It seems like you want anime characters and not real people who happen to use an avatar.
Bruh...

>>6521742
>It seems like you want anime characters and not real people who happen to use an avatar.
Kill your fucking self. Do you know that the fuck a vtuber is ? Go back to Twitch.

HoloEN gen 2 PLS PLS HAVE A BROWN LOLI I WILL CUM SO HARD.

Why are you all making all these excuses instead of just admitting she's boring

>>6509943
Around elves,
watch yourselves.

>headphones are molded to fit knife ears
okay this is epic

>>6509913
Doesn't have any really outstanding "memeable" traits, or clippable moments that could make her easily marketable to the average Chuuba fan. This isn't to say she doesn't have her own unique appeal, but "Oldfag Elf who gets autistically obssessed with the things she enjoys" isn't really something you can make reddit karma farms out of.