/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>65098824
because their defaults are overdesigned garbage

>>65098824
You make it sounds like it's a bad thing, anon

>>65098824
They think kayfabe is fake and gay. It's why WWE and monster trucks were always intended for male audiences.

>>65098824
>first outfit defines the character
>second outfit gives fans an insight to the woman behind the character
>/vt/ considers this to be a bad thing
Idk why you're using Mumei to make this point. she said she just let Azure papa design all the outfits himself

>>65099808
because nobody gives a shit what they're really like. They're playing a character, if I wanted to watch a random basic bitch do basic bitch stuff I'd watch twitch thots

>>65099808
because I'm pretty sure that since mumei was given the option to wear a hood and glasses she basically always wears a hood and glasses and describes herself as a shadow in a hoodie and not able to see her hand in front of her face.
I could have used henya, especially after today. Or IRyS probably fits the bill too. Or Ina. But Mumei seems to always have that hood up. Oh and mumei says she doesn't know how to do her hair at all, so she likely does wear her hood up a lot

>>65098824
Do I need to track down that post about how Lego or Barbie figured out that boys want to become their character while girls want the character to become them?

>why do all the girls try to make their models look and dress like them?
They are trying to mislead people into thinking that their actual appearances are like that.

>>65098824
I don't much care for shitty gacha designs. Casual outfits are always better.

>>65102718
You shut your whore mouth you whore

>>65099808
>insight to the woman behind the character
If I wanted that I‘d watch fleshwhores

>>65100586
>>65102982
Fucking retards. Don't you understand yet that the hololive girls passed really competitive auditions because they aren't thots? A twitch thot cannot get into hololive and that is why they hate them. The character and person behind it are the same fucking thing.

>>65104277
Anon-chama, they're hired to play a character not be themselves...

>>65098824
Imagine designing shit for Flare and she takes a big dumpy on it because it even remotely reminds the audience she's an elf.

>>65104400
Yeah? Where in Gura's design doc does it say she's supposed to be burned out? Is Kanata's hearing loss suposed to be part of her "character"? How about Kiara's Fibromyalgia? Did they script all the times they've cried or tell them what their preferences and dislikes are? They aren't characters, retard.

>>65104794
doesn't flare try to make herself white with filters? I know IRyS used to use filters so hard to make herself white if she was collabing the other girl would look like a ghost

>>65098824
Gura and Ame? And technically mori it’s an outfit she wishes she could pull off

>>65104277
>Coco, the lost member, Matsuri, Nerissa, Kronii

>>65105045
All the things you listed are them failing to do their job. If they were hired to just be themselves there wouldn't be any need for lore, design, names, etc.

>>65105427
You've clearly never watched any twitch thots if you think any of those you listed are as bad. Women on twitch regularly talk about how much cum they injest and how many times they cum on their boyfriend's dick. None of the one's you've listed have ever done that with the exception of Aloe before she joined. But that mistake was corrected within two weeks. Chris, the other mistake, was corrected even sooner.

>>65105508
Those things exist to be fun and give them a mask with which to stream. But that's all it is - a mask. You're a fucking idiot if you think ideal vtubers are supposed to have made up personalities and fake preferences and dislikes.

>>65105634
I think that's a (You) problem, the VTubers I watch on Twitch don't talk about any of that stuff

>>65105508
If they were hired to play a character, then their "VA" would be replaceable, but it's not. Vtubers are not anime. They are streamers. Please lurk for another thousand years before you start posting here again, newfag.

>>65105045
Fibromemememelia is fake and gay and was invented as an excuse for women.

>>65105714
>>65105823
Omg how newfag are you faggots
https://youtu.be/h4ocsaRq3ns

>>65105922
Did you watch the clip? She is literally 100% saying exactly what the two posts you just replied to said.

>>65106616
>It's purely myself but more positive
>I know what I want to show people
>Like if I show you my 100% it's not suitable to show
Do you even understand what she was saying?

Most of the girls don't really care about their "lore" anyway, which is encoded into their debut default outfit. At best, it's just a crutch they can hang on to in the beginning while they figure out what kind of character they actually want to portray, at worst it's just a straightjacket made up by someone else boxing them into a type they don't really want and have no particular personal connection to.
And given that most of them don't have any creativity or aspirations to be anything other than "basic ass streamer e-girl #4371 (just behind an anime avatar)", it's no surprise that over time they all default back to some normie casual outfit that reflects their normie casual personality, so they don't have to spend any mental effort actually upholding any "character" to play and can just be themselves as that's the laziest denominator.

>>65098824
I fail to see a problem

>>65098824
Because women always self-insert

>>65100586
Maybe don’t watch vtubers at all.

>>65105795
of course you’re a /lig/ger

>>65107691
>And given that most of them don't have any creativity or aspirations to be anything other than "basic ass streamer e-girl #4371 (just behind an anime avatar)"
EOPs need to be gassed

>>65101160
It's worth posting every time a thread like this pops up, if you've got it.

>>65104400
Nigga you literally have never watched a single stream at this point. Not even Fuwamoco do that shit, if I wanted to watch anime girls I'd watch anime.

>>65107249
Literally everyone does that, you underage retard. Do you share what things you jerk off to with your mother?

>>65100687
>Oh and mumei says she doesn't know how to do her hair at all, so she likely does wear her hood up a lot
Or more likely, she just has messy hair or at best, does a short combing after she showers

>>65098869
FPBP

>>65100586
Yeah, absolutely nobody at all. Handcam streams totally don't get more views and people actively discourage vtubers from talking about their irl families and what happened outside of streams. You nailed it, Anon

>>65098824
>first new outfit is a casual costume with glasses that is how the girl actually dresses
>using moomers as your example of that
She literally has next to no input on how her outfits turn out because she's stated she doesnt care as long as she looks cute

>>65098824
They like to express their actual personalities. I don't expect you to understand what one of those is

>>65100687
She also didn’t have the option to put the hood up on her default outfit at the time, even though it was on the design doc. Logically speaking, you’re naming a feature that her default outfit was supposed to have, that was available on her 3D model, and was added to her Live2D once that got updated, rather than something completely different from what she originally had.

How would you even describe mumei's default outfit anyway? Adventure-core? I really like that kind of grounded, sort of fantasy-ish design.

For anyone who is so into kayfabe that they care more about the character than the personality of the girl behind it: stop watching vtubers and go watch anime. That is serious advice.

>>65108063
Motherfucker vtubers started out as scripted prerecorded videos, just because you faggots pander to current livestream meta doesn't change the fact they're playing a character. What, you think FWMC are their real names and weren't doing shit for over a decade in entertainment before joining Hololive? You have no appreciation for the amount of effort those doggos put in to keep up kayfabe. Gtfo with that nonsense.
>>65108143
Everyone isn't a vtuber playing a part, what are you going on about?

I feel like Mumei is a bit of an odd choice to headline this complaint with desu. Aside from the converse looking shoes, and maybe the plaid section of the skirt, this looks like a pretty reasonable outfit to wear given Mumei's default. Like what she'd be wearing during a filler episode of some generic isekai.
Someone like Kronii or Polka would have made a stronger point.

>>65098824
you met a girl and she dresses really sexy. then she gets comfortable that you will suck around and stops dressing up and shaving.

>>65098824
Wait they’re really girls behind those avatars?

Oh

>>65110361
stick. stupid phone.

>>65098824
>>first new outfit is a casual costume with glasses that is how the girl actually dresses and she just streams like that 90% of the time
Damn Kiara is pretty based then.

>>65098824
>>65098869
are there no clothes they find cool but wouldn't actually wear in real life? where's their imagination?

>>65098869
fpbp
first outfit is just branding

>>65104794
>>65105240
QRD on Flare? I heard she avoided using her 1st model if she could. For Anya I heard it's because her chest was much bouncier than intended.

>>65107792
>>65108767
that's just coomerbait, that stuff always gets high views, obviously

>>65098824
Because you let vtubers become entitled.

>>65107792
I love watching vtubers, who treat it like a job and act professionally. I don't watch for thots

>>65098824
because they're all ironic weebs

>>65110018
>>65110533
>>65113428
This is the sort of retard that defends shitting on kayfabe. They genuinely want to watch Twitch thots with anime avatars pretending to like them.

>>65098824
IRyS fell for the casual meme too unfortunately

>>65115437
>Flare
Her original model was way too uncanny. I've hear nothing about filters.
>Anya
Rigger for her screwed up and gave her default model breasts when the character sheet showed she was flat and popular theory was that she hated her breasts.

>>65113417
Wouldn’t be a casual outfit if that was the case.

>>65110213
mumei mentioned she wears hoodies all the time
mumei mentioned she wears glasses
mumei mentioned she wears black convers and those are one of her only 4 shoes.
the only thing that is wrong is the dress. Though I think mumei stories sound retarded like she only owns one pair of pants. Because I know she said once she wore a broken skirt to hang out with council in an off collab, some story about her only pants being dirty from going outside and that she streams wearing just hoodie, panties and socks because some amazon guy came by and she had to hide because lol no pants and her and gura discussed emergency pants, because the 2 of them apparently frequently do not wear pants at home

>>65110361
>hairy mumei pussy and thighs

>>65098824
Using mumei is a bad example
Do you think she dresses like an Asian girl?
Any western non Asian vtuber's casual outfit is almost never how they actually dress

>>65123886
nta but considering her autism, I wouldn't be surprised if Moom's thought process for wearing that outfit is little more than "look it's me but even cuter :D"

>>65123886
She also sometimes streams barefoot because Animal sometimes licks her toes.
>>65123933
Incidentally, during Kiara’s Family Feud collab she apparently forgot that shaving is something that women do.

>>65124522
Mumei pretty much said that she let Azure decide the outfit, but she made sure the rigger allow her to use the accessories, unlike the hood on her default outfit at the time.

>>65124666
My point was more that I think that's as far as Mumei thinks in terms of using those accessories so much

>>65124323
because mumei always has her hood up and wears glasses when she can. Mumei has said she streams wearing just hoodie, panties and socks and that she needs glasses

>>65124522
mumei's though process is that she is wearing a hood and glasses so her model should wear a hood and glasses
>>65124552
top kek. how did mumei become even more of a sadgirl than gura?

>>65125366
>mumei's though process is that she is wearing a hood and glasses so her model should wear a hood and glasses
yeah, like I said
>look it's me but even cuter :D

>>65125270
Yeah but the style of hoodie she would actually wear vs what he model wears is what makes it different

>>65110187
>What, you think FWMC are their real names and weren't doing shit for over a decade in entertainment before joining Hololive? You have no appreciation for the amount of effort those doggos put in to keep up kayfabe. Gtfo with that nonsense.
Yeah! It's a lot of hard work to keep all of that porn and incest hidden!
Personally I'd rather my girls NOT be fake though, because scripted content is the worst vtuber content out there, and then you're simping over the scriptwriter (some 30-something dude) instead of the talent (some 30-something girl). Pretty gay.

>>65125218
>>65125531
The more important part here is that her default model was supposed to have a working hood but didn’t because Rariemon rushed it on account of having to rig stuff for half the company. She uses the hood just as often on her home3D and her 2.0 as she does on her casual outfit.

wait, mumei streams in her panties?

>>65098824
Suisei is the only exception

>>65128042
A lot of the girls come across as the "why wear pants if I'm not going out and it's not cold" type. Gura said she usually wore pajama bottoms instead of pants while streaming.

>>65102844
Niji designs must be your fav then. Overdesigned to absolute oblivion yet still somehow forgettable

>>65098824
>dressing like an old granny
do these women REALLY?

>>65128764
This is peak sex

>>65108642
>>65113428
>>65098869
Shit taste

>>65128764
I think she looks cute

>>65128492
those designs are completely different

>>65128411
Eh those are basically pants anyway, just not pants for being out in public

I don't know how there are "people" who say that this is a bad design.

>>65098824
>why? why do all the girls try to make their models look and dress like them?
A toy company did a study on this a long time ago. Basically boys will self-insert into the role of the character they're playing but girls will make the character into themselves and have them do what they'd do.

>>65129371
>women will hollow out your insides and wield you like a flesh puppet for their whims
Yeah, it checks out.

>>65129009
>>65128411
mumei specifically said she sits around in her panties. as in not even pj pants. Gura thinks pj pants are outdoor pants too, considering one of her recent sad girl stories was that she only ate half a twix all day, fell asleep with the twix still in her bed and then went to the gas station (convince store/konbini) in her pj pants and realised there was twix all over her ass and it looked like she shat herself.
I think the only no pants story she told was the valentines day one where she had coof and missed the first off collab and said she just wore a t shirt and off brand snuggie all day and answered the door like that. because like 99% of the time if Gura talks about getting something it was something that was on sale on amazon around that time that I bought my mom

>>65129520
Yeah, kinda a long form way of saying women lack empathy but whatcha gonna do.

>>65128208
Suisei isn't the exception, the second outfit, the one with the orange leggings, she got is "casual". It has glasses too, and she dresses more or less like that.
I suppose the orange leggings are artistic freedom.

>>65098824
>streamer is absolutely based

>>65128764
gay hands wrote this post

>>65129587
Mumei also uses boxer shorts as PJ pants.

>>65110187
>Everyone isn't a vtuber playing a part, what are you going on about?
What kind of world do you live in where you think people can do livestreams and stay in character while ad libbing two to three hours a day, four or five times a week?
There’s a reason the kayfabe isn’t as strong in JP *or* EN since the Kizuna Ai days. It’s because the meta switched to streaming and expecting a streamer to play a video game for three hours without mentioning what they had for lunch or a weird anecdote from the previous weekend or any number of minor tidbits about their daily life is entirely unrealistic.

>>65128764
>>65098824
this nigga has had his brain melted by porn and can't get excited for normal women anymore

>>65123886
>Though I think mumei stories sound retarded like she only owns one pair of pants. Because I know she said once she wore a broken skirt to hang out with council in an off collab, some story about her only pants being dirty from going outside and that she streams wearing just hoodie, panties and socks because some amazon guy came by and she had to hide because lol no pants and her and gura discussed emergency pants, because the 2 of them apparently frequently do not wear pants at home
Is it really so complicated to just buy a couple pairs of jeans at costco? This isn't complicated, I'm an autist and even I can do that.

>>65131176
Eh I'm not really sure, she uses her orange tights outfit for nearly everything nowadays, even official or big name appearances. I couldn't picture other holos with their second outfit doing that because they're more often than not very casual/street wear in comparison, while hers is still fairly stylish.
>>65128208
Marine?

I have to wonder how many of these girls have glasses because the audience thinks it looks cute vs the girls actually wearing glasses irl because their eyes are terrible from staring at a screen all their life

>>65131928
NTA but kayfabe isn't just some binary black and white thing. Obviously it became much more difficult to keep it up with the streaming format but it's obvious there are chuubas who strive to stay in character vs the ones more lax about it who mostly use the avatar as a substitute for a facecam. You cannot put FWMC and Nerissa in the same basket just because they both talked about what their favorite anime is.

>>65104277
Ollie, Matsuri, Bae and Shiori prove you wrong

>>65098824
This happens to corpos because they don't get to pick their initial designs.

They get more input on later outfits, which helps make the model feel like a more accurate representation of themselves, which in turn makes them more comfortable using it.

>>65134637
a. mumei is literally fucking autistic
b. a lot of girls say buying pants is harder for them because for men its really well standardized from the civil war based on height and weight, but for women their hips, thighs and height don't always work in the same combo as men so its more annoying for them to find pants that fit. This is the excuse given by many girl as to why they always wear shorts with tights or leggings. Mumei allegedly, has a really big ass compared to the rest of her body. Did she complain about having a hard time finding clothes that fit in japan or was that a kiara thing or something? Granted, I am pretty sure mumei is like average height for a white girl and thin. Whereas fauna and kiara are womenlets and gura, bae and irys are turbo womenlets
who has kiara off collabed with? because Kiara was really bad at maintaining sight lines in the popstart stream where she was basically looking at ina head on but had to look down to see gura

>>65110018
/thread

>>65139513
>Mumei allegedly, has a really big ass compared to the rest of her body.
The only thing I needed to hear, nothing else matters

Aqua

>>65139513
>a lot of girls say buying pants is harder for them because for men
You just wear loose fit waist with loose fit hips and a loose fit ass and loose fit thighs and loose fit legs and then slap on a belt. Its only hard for women because they make it hard because they think that men wont check out their ass enough if the pants arent painted on (we still do)

>>65141173
In Mumei’s case, it’s even less than that. The pants she does wear stay up without a belt even though the waist is too wide. Her issue is that she’s indecisive and overwhelmed by the range of choices she has.

All this talk of Mumei's butt is really throwing this thread off of it's original topic.

And that's a good thing.

>>65098824
kneel

>>65123886
how does mumei only own one pair of pants?

>>65144190
cause she a hoe

>>65143146
I hate it. I don't care for her original either, but her kimono outfit is absolutely godlike.

cause they are roasties

>>65098824
It saddens me that I can’t stand my oshi’s casual ‘real’ outfit, a complete downgrade for my tastes on every measurable level compared to her OG

>>65105634
You mean like when Shiori used to make BBC jokes om twitch?