/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>64823305
What in the fuck

Wtf, are they that much of a cheapskate to pay for licensing fees and royalties?

is the yen really in freefall

>>64824040
They are already losing money and can't afford to have their stock price drop any more please understand

>>64823305
I can't wait to hear nijinigs cope for this.

>>64824040
Riku yatch not gonna pay for themselves you know.

>>64823305
Embarrassing. From overpriced sweatshop tier merch to this. How much lower can we go?

>>64824121
Yen has been picking up against USD, actually

>>64824040
It’s a licensing thing. If you get the ticket on NND there is nothing cut.

>>64823305
Imagine being Falseye, the only thing you have to do to farm content is is sit around and wait a couple of hours until niji fucks up, is the easiest job of the world, like farming maple sryup, just poke some holes in the tree and let the drama flow to your bucket

>>64824383
Reminder that false was on nijisanji's side until they decided to strike him

>>64824495
It's amazing how nijisanji sabotage itself.

>>64823305
The three people who actually buy a ticket /here/ will just get it through NND like always, which won’t have cut content. You and anyone else acting outraged don’t actually care, and won’t care to acknowledge it’s a copyright issue that is a non issue by just buying the NND ticket like everyone else will.

>>64824294
that's quite something

>>64823305
BLACK COMPANY

>>64824040
If JP song companies are as greedy as EN song companies, depending on the song those can get pricey which is why soundtracks with actual songs can actually be a considerable portion of a movie's budget in Hollywood.

>>64823305
Just buy the tickets on NND. Stagecrowd also uses DRM on their streams, so you can't download them using the traditional tools.

>>64824620
>>64824972
>NND
>giving nico nico dogshit money
Are you serious?

>>64824040
Please dont tell me that they don't even want to stream six songs

>>64825061
There's only 3 options: NND, Stagecrowd, or bilibili.

>>64825224
I would unironically actually give money to bilibili over NND because bilibili at least has a functional service that doesn't try to tax their users for using it

>>64825384
Dunno what you're referring to, I've never had any issues with paid VTuber content on NND.

Why not choose non copyright song instead.
actual black company

>>64823305
Why bother to stream in stagecrowd?
just remove that thing already.
clueless fans will be disappointed if they buy it.

>>64824970
Yet Holo has no problem paying for song copyrights despite Niji supposedly making more money...

>>64825631
Yeah anon, until you try to watch a video on NND and get kicked out because you didn't pay enough for that virtual seat

>>64824620
>>64824972
Why Stagecrowd can't, but NND can?
I'm asking out of curiosity

>>64823305
>Not all songs will be shown because copyright bs
What the fuck?

>>64826135
That's kinda the point tho, Niji makes more money but they don't reinvest it the way holo does, unless when it comes to Riku's yachts I guess

Nijikek will defend this shit

>>64826427
I've literally never experienced that.

>>64826509
Who knows? Stagecrowd is owned by Sony Music Solutions, there's probably weird copyright stipulations such that the platform can't stream certain songs.

>>64826509
Some copyright shittery, couldn’t tell you exactly what it is. Niji still shows loyalty to NND as well, so they’re always the best option to go for for this kind of paid content.

>>64824040
PAY
FOR
RIKU'S
YACHT

Somehow this is hololives fault

>>64826949
>>64827107
Oh, it's owned by Sony
I'm just a pleb at understanding the whole copyright thing, but I think it's still weird because this type of thing is usually discussed before they reach an agreement with Stagecrowd, no?
Why not use SPWN or ZAIKO?

>>64826703
There will be a total of like five NijiEN fans paying for this shit, no one gives a fuck about JP and especially not enough of a fuck to pay 10k yen for a vtuber concert

>>64824383
>>64824601
sabotage? fuck up? that always have been a thing with concerts with some songs being cut in places outside of niconico, retards

>>64828366
>Why not use SPWN or ZAIKO?
Because they still hold loyalty to NND. 99% of the viewer base for this is Japanese so they don’t care.

>>64824141
they aren't losing money at all lol

it's honestly hilarious seeing so many retards discovering how concerts works in nijisanji 5 years later. This is how it goes and never have been an issue for the main audience that is japanese

>>64824376
... aaand they blocked NND tickets for non JP audience this year, which is what spawned that discussion in the first place.

>>64829535
Yeah, only the livers are losing money. Nijisanji the company is completely fine

>>64829678
>What is a VPN

>>64823305
bruh

>>64828967
last time I heard nijiJP was rivaling holoJP, what happened?

And Niji wonders why it has zero goodwill beyond some mindless drones outside of Japan

>>64829859
nijisanji is a project not a company, and the members arent losing money.

>>64830525
when have they ever wondered that?

>>64830776
nijidrones are something else

>>64829535
so why can't they pay for this??

>>64829535
So they are stiffing their customers on purpose?

>>64831194
because they'd be losing money, duh

>>64829965
This is like Kancolle shit all over again, way o filter your (stupid) fanbase, the casual wont even bother

>>64830776
Tell that to kunai kek

>>64831194
Because Anycolor doesn't care about overseas fans, if that hasn't been obvious with how they've treated all of their overseas branches.

>>64831465
Anycolor doesn't care for any fans, or their talents for that matter

>>64831275
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all, it’s stupid to do shit like this. There are ways around it though.

>>64831426
Literally who?

>>64831275
what fanbase? little bro, 99% of the audience for this is japanese, which is why no one will care about this shit. Only antis like you all and nijijp fans in the west, which are like 5% of nijifans in here

>>64831426
The fact that you look at SC and think this is the only money they make is hilarious, not even talking about how you dont know how much she has from before coming here. ie youre talking out of your ass

>>64832044
nta but bro this isn't hololive, they don't have a salary at niji and I doubt the 2% from merch makes any difference. the point is she makes less money and has less eyes on her than before

>>64832173
Reminder that hololive has never disclosed a salary for its members. Its members have not mentioned salary since pre COVID and the only argument is Kiara who calls her monthly paycheck a "salary"
Also reminder that cover and anycolor both report pretty similar percentages from merchandise in their profit reports. So either hololive pays 2% too or it is more than that

>>64831275
This is the reason why Kpop beat out jpop on the global stage btw

>>64832173
the point is that you dnt know her bank account to say that shes losing money. You dont have any details about her financial life outside of a vtuber account and SC.
And theres more to nijisanji than just two avenues of monetization like adsense, sponsorship and other things, millie explained it

>>64824620
>>64824972
anon did you at least attempt to buy it before posting?
the OP on that post says NND is blocked to non Japanese now.
you can't put hurdles like that in front of the overseas audience and then expect them to pay for a aubpar experience.

>>64832353
Coco and Kanata mentioned they used to get a flat amount per month before they got monetized, which let them survive on burgers

>>64832527
Yes pre COVID. Pre hololive growth.
Since hololive has expanded immensely salaries have not been mentioned and the last time they were mentioned it was discussed that they were less than jp minimum wage regardless.
Hololive has not disclosed salaries in any financial reports they've made public

>>64832353
>>64832369
why do you willingly delude yourselves like this, do nijisanji boots taste good?
>salary
they literally talked about retarded shareholder wanting to pay the girls less
>2%
not even going to bother arguing with this one because you're a clueless retard
>similar profits
that go into riku's pocket on one side and get reinvested on the other side
>You dont have any details about her financial life
no but her complaining about her low viewership on stream is telling
>adsense, sponsorship and other things
if people watch your streams maybe, what was the last nijiEN sponsorship?

>>64829965
What's a good VPN that works?

>>64832686
That also is not true they talked about literally wanting to make more shitty merch like acrylic stands and yagoo folded and you literally can't argue with it because you don't have an argument against the fact that 2% is not real.
Your entire argument is that somehow despite making 98% of the profit they report a similar number to cover because the money goes into rikus pockets and gets reinvested????
Are you pretending to be retarded or do you not understand how math works, legitimate question.
As far the last sponsorship goes, I believe that was 3 weeks ago on Finanas channel, before then it was snowbreak and before then it was azur lane

>>64832947
>the money goes into rikus pockets and gets reinvested
this was my bad for not making it more clear, on the niji side riku pocket the money, hololive reinvests it into the girls and various projects
Multiple girls have said merch is the best way to support them, they're nit replacing all the custom merch they usually get with acrylics, those are just a welcome bonus, unlike niji where everyone has the standard chinky keychains and stickers.
>finana
ok

>>64832390
>What is a VPN

>>64833445
I'm not going to jump through hoops to give you money nigger

>>64833445
this is why nobody watches your concerts

>>64833274
>unlike niji where everyone has the standard chinky keychains and stickers.
They have standardised merch, but they also have unique shit like Mito selling a fucking laundry detergent. You don’t see that posted in the catalogue though, so you wouldn’t know about it because all you do is skim the catalogue and regurgitate shit you know nothing about.

>>64833466
>>64833484
You weren’t going to watch anyway.

>>64833554
this is about nijiEN, sit down monkey

>>64833607
>they didn't want it anyway
Actual nijicope

>>64832353
And that justifies Niji's pay how?

>>64833619
You’re in a thread bitching about a JP concert, down have a sook when JP shit gets used to disprove your dumb bullshit.

>>64833713
Go see an ambulance you're having a stroke

>>64833713
read the chain instead of sperging out like the bootlicker you are, this was about kunai doing better as an indie before throwing her streaming career away by joining nijiEN

>>64833856
I don’t keep up with Organs that get shat out every 3 months. Literally who was she?

>>64833856
who care about kunai.
we only care about niji JP stupid

Holy shit rumao. I would pity nijifags but somehow they're worse than all of us /vt/fags.

>>64824040
Riku needs his yatch money please understand

>>64834170
Someone who ditched a 200k sub channel for picrel

>>64833856
you dont speak for her, she speaks for herself and until she does youre just saying shit from your ass

>>64833856
reminder Aia the least popular member has made enough money from being in Niji to pay off all her student debt

>>64826135
Holo only does their shitty original songs during events for a reason. They pumped out all that sloppy songs so they don't have to pay licensing and can sell their fans slop knowing they'll buy anything with their oshi on it.

I genuinely cannot fathom how nijidrones can lie so much in support of a company where you become less successful by joining. Does Nijisanji pay you guys? Probably more than their talents lol

>>64835285
how much is her debt?
100$?

>>64835650
I genuinely cannot fathom how you pagpag slurping monkies can lie so much about a company you don't watch

>>64835771
cope
you don't know a goddamn thing

>>64835650
Judging from how desperate they are to find scapegoats for why people don't just take them at their word, the answer is probably alot >>64835802

>>64835400
>supporting a talent is bad now
nijikek is too used with their livers being mistreated kek

>>64823305
Need Riku vampire sucking blood from nijipigs.

>>64835858
The irony is only "pagpag monkies" would be willing to degrade themselves working for nijisanji pennies

>>64835842
>cant answer the question
you are clearly dont know a thing here

>>64835951
Her student loan were thousands of dollars.

>>64836081
give me timestamp

>>64835842
Oh I'm sorry did we call out your black company again?

>>64835858
What the fuck are you talking about? You faggots sit on this site all day browsing /NijiEN/ for literally any crumb of something even when it's fucking made up i.e. Pomu's vshojo dinner that was literally made up and never happend

>>64836166
Perhaps if you drop the persecution complex people might actually take your protest seriously instead of being pic related

>>64836117
No, you made up bullshit about a regular company you don't like because they aren't the company you DO like.

>>64836221
>made up bullshit

>>64836220
What fucking persecution complex? You niggers are literally obsessed with Nijisanji and the mods sure don't give a fuck. I'll never forget when mods let Pomu's doxx hit fucking bump limit

>>64836314
What's the matter? Isn't this what you wanted?

>>64836292
Yeah, made up bullshit. You jakarta goblins can't even keep your dumb bullshit on this site.

>>64836314
ALL OUT WAR BABY

>>64836373
irrelevant pic
not an argument, but you might as well post you're whole nijisanji folder, I know you want to.

You could be supporting nijisanji right now but instead you're fighting windmills on the hololive board

>>64835899
You are completely missing my point on purpose. I never said supporting your oshi is bad, I said management abusing this by dumping out low quality slop is bad.

I am a NijiEN anti not because I like Hololive. I am a NijiEN anti because I fucking hate NijiEN.

>>64836384
Find more scapegoats, that will surely convince people you don't have a persecution complex

>>64836537
BASED BASED BASED

>>64836514
dont worry anon. i hope someday riku will pour a money for your oshi too

>>64836537
ZASED...... I .......I KNEEL

>>64836475
I'm not going to support Nijisanji until they stop treating the EN branch like shit, like they've done almost all year

This thread smells like Jollibee

>>64829526
Is it not allowed to use both NND and SPWN/ZAIKO at the same time?

everyday i thank nina for leaving a hell hole called niji.
now i can spent money on her without 2% cut

>>64836681
>>64836599
>>64836537
least obvious samefag

>>64836537
Why do you hate people you don't watch and who don't affect you?

>>64836741
There's the persecution complex at play again

>>64836847
nta but it makes me sad when good people get mistreated, same with hololive, I don't care about shit flinging, I will call out bullshit on both sides

>>64836847
Just remember nijibros
You picked this fight

>>64836898
I know english isn't your first language, but you should probably learn what that means before you use it

>>64835400
I don't want to take part in the retarded war because I watch both
>shitty original songs
But you better take this back

>>64836947
I'm glad you feel justified in your actions because a bunch of random anon and falseflaggers said a bunch of dumb shit almost 2 years ago

>>64837077
niji livers are a bunch of random anon falseflaggers now?

>>64836972
Don't you have another sea country to blame?

>>64837077
>random anon and falseflaggers
>nijifags didn't do nutting

>>64837319
>I am an autistic newfag and think all shitposts are genuine and that all false flags are actually true if it makes nijifags look worse

>>64837319
Yeah just like Sayu dindu nuffin right?

>>64837319
dumbass

>>64829605
And yet the company promised that it would engage international audiences more. Which EN livers will even perform?

>>64837110
So, you got a problem with Fulgur? Because he's the only one who was being a dick there. Unless you sincerely believe Pomu was declaring war instead of basically saying "that's crazy lmao"

>>64837379
There's really no need for shitposting and flase flagging, you guys do a great job by yourselves

>>64837073
Are you trying to tell me Connect the World was a good song?

>>64837432
Pomu and and some people from Iluna and Xsoleil

>>64837432
Perform what you retard? the ones who will perform are written there. Nijifes isnt a concert, it has some but its not about it. If you were a fan you already would know who is in nijifes and who isnt.

>>64837499
and yet here you are.

>>64837527
only pomu will perform, retard, and thats in a program, not a concert. Theres only 2 concerts, one inside nijifes itself and another that is pre nijifes
rosemi, luca, xsoleil, maria, ren, luca, bandage are all in it

>>64823305
My oshi talk show host wouldn't be streamed

>>64836689
They should be criticized for not getting rid of ID and KR and their clear bias (other than popularity) when it comes to selection of JP talent for pretty much anything, but NijiEN is treated better than they deserve.

>>64837509
>Implying I like that shit in the first place
Roru
Rumao
Ofc I'm not talking about CTW

>>64837819
mysta dont agree with you

>>64835119
>+100/d
In 4 years she will go back to her preview peak

>>64837428
Cope

>>64835119
Nijibros... I...

>>64835400
>have an actual good song (Astrogirl)
>no one in hololive will ever sing that song now

>>64828967
Well you not wrong, their quarterly report prove it.

it's always funny to watch the ndf do mental gymnastics

>>64835842
She live in SEA, a burger flipper in the state could pay her tuitions less than a year.

>>64837077
Akscually, those faggots are your livers failure, thank you very much.

>>64823305
>implying anyone on 4chan pays for concerts

>>64823305
The real reason why AR was canceled was due to low ticket sales.
They still should have gone through with it, no matter the loss. But that's not a corpo thing to do. But ignoring the ramifications to the morale is a corpo not being in touch. Just like making the excuse of 'covid'... but that would only make sense if in China, which were doing lockdowns. Shows who truly runs the company.

>>64823305
Black company

So there is one person arguing here that making 100s of original song is cheaper then paying for copyrights of 6 songs ok yeah.

>>64840440
Nijiniggers need to deflect please understand

>>64824040
I like NijiJP talents and feel bad for them.
This is awful.

>>64839478
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>64823305
Kek, money better spent on another yacht

HOLOSEETHE

>>64840244
Wait but wasn't that AR were supposed to be held during their peak popularity? How tf did that happened? Lack of ticket access for their key chink audience?

>>64842983
Luxiem peaked around Janurary, they dropped off right after the lunar new year, it was like a light switch.

>>64823305
it's like every week they do clowny shit like this
how hard is it to do more than the bare minimum?

>>64843419
>how hard is it to do more than the bare minimum?
ask holo management

>>64829404
>bad things are okay if they happen all the time
this was not the apologism dub you thought it was, huh

>>64843419
why bother doing the bare minimum when you can contribute towards the yacht fund?

>>64843433
sister...

>>64835119
i feel so bad for this woman. she dropped a great indie career to join a company that was so bad, a previous talent thought reincarnating as a cockroach was preferable to continuing in the company.
i won't hide my ire for anycolor, she knew the company she was signing onto so it's not like this was random misfortune, but it's impossible not to feel some amount of sympathy for just how pathetic this career change was for her.

>>64835842
answer the question or be labeled apologist. win the room with one citation. this is your chance.

>>64836847
you a mindreader? what evidence do you have they haven't watched niji?

>>64823305
There's no way anycolor can't afford to pay royalties with all the money it makes.

>>64843433
I actually can't tell if you're seriously telling him to look at an example of the company who DOES do more than the bare minimum, and you're right which is why they're the best in the industry, or if this was a massive self-own you didn't realize, but the reply doesn't actually change whether I'm laughing with you or at you
KEK

How much clueless people buying a scam concert?