/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>64769417
No. You're a unicorn with broken stump now. Choose more wisely next time.

>>64769417
No.

I noticed her latest stream had no TLs, did he left because of that incident?

Idk but as a gachikoi and not unicorn (idk the distinction between the two), Ririka is still GOAT and on her way to be one of my favorite holos.
Fuck that gta server nontheless.

She's spammed nothing but VCR GTA since, is she a retard? Is she trying to kill her own career?

you will never be a real unicorn

>>64769417
So... Dicksucking ASMR when?

She used to retweet like 3-4 pieces of great fanart every day I feel like. Now it seems that all the fanartists have abandoned her, which is sad because she has a great design.

>>64769546
gachikoi= fan who is in love.
unicorns= no males

>>64769628
Christmas

>>64769539
Which one? She still had a translator yesterday. I don't think she had any new yab so her usual TLs probably was just busy / away

>>64769539
He did the right thing.

>>64769861
ok i thought it's another case of fubuki's loyal TL because of same thing

>>64769573
I can't say if it will or won't be a good idea, but if you don't spam VCR GTA, you might as well not join the server at all since you won't be interacting with people enough to benefit at all. The server is closing in around a week, too

>>64769954
>>64769573
Not to defend her retarded idea of joining the server, but she's spamming regular streams too. She's just streaming a lot. It's not GTA every single day like Aki.

>>64769539
>>64769861
Nah, definitely not, we're all still here. Jisatsu wasn't actually scheduled ahead of time, which can make livetl coverage spottier. She has three live TLs, but only one of us is regularly awake in the JP evening slot that JIsatsu was in, so if they're busy there's sometimes no one awake to back them up. I can sometimes stay up late and cover a stream in that situation if I know ahead of time, but I had work the next day and had already gone to bed when she tweeted about playing it.

>>64770005
>aki
kinda wild that aki blew up because of that ARK server though

>>64770788
Yeah I'm not shittalking her, but her streams do get pretty boring for people like me who don't really like the big collab stuff.
Her rise with Ark and Azkis incline with geoguessr have both been surprising this year.

>>64769417
I do not know who this is.

>>64769546
>Ririka is still GOAT
Was that before or after being associated with the orange chicken?

>>64770919
Dime a dozen ewhore please just leave the thread.

>>64769417
>unicorns
>for a gyaru
Anon they were no unicorns. Every gyaru is a massive slutty woman who exists to squeeze every drop of semen outside of your body. They are the new age succubus of the modern 21st century.
Pure gyarus are a myth and can only exist in manga or doujinshi. No woman above the age of 16 would willingly wear gyaru fashion. Kitagawa Marin doesn't exist.

>>64769417
Unicorns don't get broken horns, they just leave. When people think that doing coomer content afterwards brings those unicorns back they're wrong, it beings in new people who only want coomer content and will reduce the amount of people willing to give you money.

>>64770788
Anon, the vcr watching crowd are underage retards. They'll be gone once the E-celebs stop interacting with her. Same thing played out with Laplus and Gamma during vcr Rust.

>>64770005
Yeah, it's kind of wild to look at her output. On the 16th, depending on your timezone, she did 6 streams, though 3 of them were Mario Kart 'stream ends if she's in last place' deals. Still, even if you lump all those together, that's 4 different stream types (an announcement, a 4 person collab, viewer participation mario kart, and super chat treading) and more than 8 hours of streaming in a single day. I don't even like VCR because I have no interest in GTA, and I still get more Ririka non-VCR streaming hours in one week than some holos manage in two weeks.

>>64769417
Can a hymen grow back after it has been broken?

>>64771086
Do you actually realize the irony in holding up Kitagawa Marin as a standard of pure gyaru that vtubers can't attain? If Kitagawa Marin were real and a vtuber and she did only the things she did in the manga but in VCR, she'd be considered barely more pure than Matsuri, Ririka would be a saint by comparison. The way Marin gets all her money to cosplay with is that she literally dressed up, often in clothes men pick out for her, gets her makeup done, also usually by men, so photographers, also often men, can take pictures of her. She'd be posing in a maid costume from a porn game with random males no one had ever heard of. She'd be labeled a homocollaber thirsting for e-celeb dick that tries to get ahead by selling her body by day 2.

>>64769417
Unicorns easily move from one target to another. So, yes.
They are the sluts of this industry.

>>64771800
That just say how much gyarus are sluts, one that acts like a cheap whore is considered a saint near them

>>64770781
Holy shit, LiveTL shift changes.

>>64771091
Oh yeah, I'm sure she's just devastated having only her second best week of her career in terms of superchat revenue, and her best two weeks since debut for subscriber growth. Maybe in the long term you'll be right, the only way to know is to wait for the long term to pass, but it's silly how many people think the sky is already falling when it just objectively isn't, at least yet.

>>64772264
Yeah, I don't know how other LiveTLs handle multiple live TLs for one vtuber, but in our case it just makes sense, we each have our own specialties and time zones and schedules, so if we have advance notice for streams a little cooperation can go a long way. Turns the feeling of 'if I can't livetl a whole stream I shouldn't livetl at all incase another livetl thinks I'm calling dibs" to "well if I can stay up and cover the first hour or two, another liveTL will be getting back from work and we can do a smooth handoff, where I can get enough sleep for the next day and they don't have to sprint back from work."

>>64769492
fpbp

>>64769417
hololive unicorns are cucks so she will be fine

>>64772423
I mean, long-term is the only relevant metric. If you look at all the usual homocollabers their initial streams post-debacle always do great because of the controversy, tourists coming in to show their support and fans giving them a chance, trying to support them even if they dislike the content. The question is how many of those will stay for longer than a month. Look at Kronii for example. The collabs with Vesper, Mori and Magni actually performed really well in a vacuum, but her solo streams took a nosedive.
All that being said, I hope for the best for Ririka. She seems like a sweet and funny girl. I think she's making a mistake with GTA, but it's her choice.

>>64773397
hololive grows stronger >:3

>>64769417
Your horn was broken by some woman? Sounds like a skill issue to me

>LOOK GUYS I'M TOTALLY A RIRIKA UNICORN EVEN WITH NO REGLOSS GENERAL
>N-NO I'M NOT FORCING A NOTHING BRUGER HER CAREER IS DEAD LIKE HER NUMBERS
>*checks numbers they've maintained and even gone up in some areas VCR
>SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT I WON'T LOSE MY GRIP ON HER SHE BETTER NAKED DOGEZA AND DO ASMR AND I STILL WON'T SUB OR DONATE *I wasn't doing that to begin with

All you useful idiots are doing is free PR for her especially in the loss of ReGloss gen so thanks? >>64772423

>>64769573
GTA VCR is a blessing for smaller streamers. Akirose, Robert, aruran, pororo, ... They all got a boost from VCR which japanese viewers appreciate.

>>64776162
She should do a memberstream where she does ASMR JOI + countdown, and I say this as a day 1 member of hers. Are you fucking gay or something?

>>64776162
Anon we've been through this before. Those people don't religiously buy merch and will all eventually leave for the next streamer. It's good for short term gain but ultimately poison.

>>64771130
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm 30

>>64769417
My bottom horn has been healed if you know what I mean

>>64776280
it just funny no one literally care about Akirose at first , after suffer from low ccv trying to do usual stuff.
Then got boosted by VCR server, Unicorn keep coming to claims they are somewhat backbone of industry when in reality they didn't help her in the first place kek.

>>64772423
Lol
People were saying the same thing about Mikeneko post Apex Matsuri. Some of her return streams had a huge amount of Superchats (likely from whiteknightfags worried about her after her hiatus)
Flash forward a few weeks and she starts openly complaining about how many fans left and how much donations have dropped. On average she's getting 2/3rds of the donations that she was getting pre-Matsuri

>>64769417
TOTAL
UNICORN
DEATH

>>64777587
>akirose
>unicorns
at least you always out yourselves as retards that don't watch streams, that was reddit eops trying to saviorfag a married woman

>>64777602
Mikeneko is Menhera queen anon , eventually people will leave
Meanwhile Ririka is sure composed on these fiasco and still stream/record with HoloJP as usual

>>64777709
sure whatever unicorn

>>64777757
>eventually
Half of her fanbase walked out within a month of the collab. She's still losing people here and there but it was easily the largest mass exodus of fans since February 2022

just get yourself a NTR fetish and stop complaining

>>64769417
Think about it anon, if you really see an issue with Ririka playing VCR then silently leave her and find a better oshi

>>64769417
No kill yourselves faggots I'm glad girls like ririka and matsuri mentally break you Everytime you fucking piece of shit fucking virgin loser.

>>64779356
you sound mindbroken

>>64769573
Lmao choosing to not be your personal concubine does not translates to killing her career. Most of you pagpag eating faggots either don't watch her or even pay for merch at all. Stop larping like you're some sort of mega fan which all of you are not. None of these girls are going to meet up and fuck you, grow up bitch.

>>64779433
>Mindbroken
This is coming from the faggot who thinks is possible for anime girl to "cuck" him via social interactions with men. Lmfao go fuck yourself loser kill yourself already and put an end to your miserable life, if no woman have fuck you by now you best believe no woman will fuck you at all. You're stuck being a sad incel for the rest of your pathetic existence.

>>64779531
Pot meet kettle

>>64779531
who shat in your pagpag today lmao, you seem slightly upset

>>64769417
What is the broken horn in reference to? I don't get unicorns and this whole mythology so is it something to do with shameful ejaculation and thus 'breaking the horn'? Or something else?

>>64779743
You know that Unicorns have horns, right?
In mythology, Unicorns could only be tamed by a virgin. The term has evolved over time, but in the Vtuber context, it generally means no male collabs and potentially no irl boyfriend
Ririka joined the GTA server which is full of men, so she hurt her Unicorns (broke their horn). So the idea she had is that she could make them feel better by doing ASMR afterwards to pander to them (fixing the horn)

>>64776280
>>64777587
The reality that these dramafags are glossing over is that there isn't enough of these types of fans to support every last girl in the HoloBox. People are going to play favorites and if every Hololive member is just doing a variant of Streamer Type 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 1e, 1f, etc. then its inevitable that some will be the runts at the table getting table scraps.
Aki is showing this year that you can switch tracks and be Streamer type 2 and its boosting her. Its wrecking the concept of the 'Walled Garden' that these schizos have been preaching as gospel for years. Ya, a portion of the fans are temporary during the event but its still incredible that Aki is pushing 2nd Army numbers and even after the events end she has tacked on about 1k or 2k buff to her old numbers.
Its a huge turnaround for the girl who was the most forgotten member of HoloJP and that most of the HoloBox had written off as irrelevant and was lucky to get 1k-2k viewers back in the day.

>>64780120
Come back to me when VCR is over, ccv is meaningless, these people don't stick around and don't buy merch

>>64780120
It's also the reality that people are glossing over the fact that it's a terrible move for Ririka, who even in her PL was targetting Unicorns and Gachikoi. I mean, she was a Fandead. That's the type of audience she wanted
Joining Hololive and then doing a 180 on her content 3 months in is not going to be the secret recipe for success that people are pretending it is.

>>64780253
Probably won’t be a high bar to breach, when when Aki was ‘playing by the rules’ she was usually dead last in merch sales behind the likes of Mel, Choco and Roboco. When you are that low you don’t have much to lose to begin with.

>>64769417
No
Nothing about troonicorns is curable except for the 41%

>>64780404
I guess that's true, but I don't think pushing away the last of your audience is the best idea. And aside from more box collabs I'm not sure what could save her again

>>64769417
It never truly heals. It's like a sheet of paper, once it's crumpled, it never goes back to how it was no matter how much you try to straighten it.

>>64780550
as we all know, unicorns are the trannies, "sister"
>>64779906

>>64780253
Cope. You aren't part of hololive management. Aki said Ark saved her from graduation.

>>64780859
YWNBAW

>>64780943
Ark was a mistake it seems

>>64780120
Another point worth noting is that even if you aren't farming unicorns as viewers, the Holobox has reached the point where cannibalising the same limited pool of holofags as the other holomem isn't going to work out all that well(See: Niji ACCELERATE's effect on their new debutees)
Its clear they're looking outside of the Holobox to grow their viewers, and frankly, with the vtuber market as saturated as it is, it would be wise to do so.

>>64781047
And the mask comes off at last

>>64781122
except Advent did great, and hololive is only going up, stepping outside of your growing niche into the oversaturated melting pot of streamers is retarded

>>64776419
The thing is, many if not most vtubers care about multiple metrics of success at the same time. Consider that less than two weeks ago, she was the runt not just of ReGLOSS, but of all of Hololive, literally the least subscribed female talent in the whole organization. Now, even in the midst of all this controversy, she's gained 21,000 subs in 11 days. Even if I completely grant your argument that the the subs she's gaining from VCR and shorts will never buy merch and eventually leave, most of them will never unsubscribe, and even dead subs are useful for sub count. And like it or not, sub count opens doors CCV or revenue do not, because what it gets you is potential corporate attention. I happen not to think she meant to or wanted to alienate any of her audience, but even if I were to take the cynical perspective that it was intentional, that could still be completely rational, because if she continued the way she had been going she'd still have been at the bottom of the heap.

>>64781463
so instead of being bottom of the heap with the potential of growing through standard hololive content she's the bottom of the heap but she also shot herself in the foot by alienating the hololive core audience??

>>64781544
I'd say I'm her core audience. Not gone, still membered, likely to get merch (if its not turbo shit). If all she did was stuff like this I'd disappear.
So I suppose my point is that she didn't alienate her audience from this time alone, but if it continues this way she might.

>tonight's vcr stream not even hitting 3.8k
ririka...

>I know better than the streamers itself what is good or not for their career.

You guys are ridiculous.

>>64780550
lol

>>64781838
I mean this is proven time and time again

>>64781838
Not arguing for either side here, and as much as this thread is a complete dump, your post is by far the lowest IQ take in it. Please think (critically) through what you just said and reconsider your statement.

>>64781924
Lmao. They have managers and a production unit behind them, they don't care about the advices from anonymous peoples on a board for social failures. Step down from your imaginary pedestal, you are nothing.

What the fuck was she thinking? Literally ruined her career for no reason.

>>64782070
>they don't care
Can't argue with that, this is why Ame and Kronii happened

>>64781544
She's not at the bottom of the heap anymore. She's already passed Ao, and at their relative rates of sub growth, will probably pass Kanade in a couple weeks or so. As for alienation, as the other anon mentioned, that's pretty up for debate, and we'll likely only know on a longer term.

It's worth pointing out though that Ririka has so far not been the type that hyperfocuses on one specific thing at a time. Unless you're the type that considers VCR perpetual poison that taints everything else she does, she's done plenty of other types of streams even in the middle of it. That's even one of the points she specifically promised when she first announced she was going to join it.

>>64781236
>and hololive is only going up
And getting new viewers from where? Do you think holofags spawn more of themselves via mitosis?
The new holofags are people who were not watching Hololive before, ie: viewers outside of the Holobox.
Hololive is growing, yes, but how do you think they are promoting Hololive outside of the Holobox if not via events like this VCR server?

>>64782070
I don't like the steps that Hololive's management seems to be taking.
It feels more like the decisions being made are for the benefit of the overall company and not the individual streamers. Sure, potentially branching out and trying to attract people outside of the box might work as a strategy to build up the box, but if it leads to several streamers being seen as Unicorn unfriendly or gachikoi unfriendly, then it's going to damage the earnings of the individual Holos. At the end of the day, as long as that money goes to a different Holo, Cover doesn't lose anything even if the earnings of individual Holos begins to decline.

>>64782070
>Moving the goal post
So you admit they have a team behind them knowing better than they do whats needed. Had your morning coffee yet?

>>64782170
>if it leads to several streamers being seen as Unicorn unfriendly or gachikoi unfriendly, then it's going to damage the earnings of the individual Holos.
Not if the sponsorships come in, and for the sponsorships to come in you need hard numbers like the amount of subscribers.

>>64782163
Ao got shot in the foot twice by management as opposed to everyone else getting shot once. This isn't the first nor the last time people try to own le unicorns, get a temporary boost and then plummet because these people just don't stick around

>>64782233
It's still a far more risky strategy than just being consistent and slowly building up your fanbase
It's also predicated on the assumption that the Holobox has already reached saturation, which I don't know even holds up to actual scrutiny.

>>64782297
Anon, Ririka got shot in the foot once by management, and then 4 times in a single day by youtube. Were you not there for the subscriber culls?

>>64782414
all of regloss got fucked over by that though, I don't think they forced anyone besides Ao to act like a man though

>>64782373
The Holobox reaching saturation or not, the problem is still ultimately the talents cannibalising the same limited pool of holofags.
The average holofag right now most likely has subbed to several holomem. Sure the new members benefit from this with big sub counts early on, but when big hitters like Pekora/Marine/FBK stream at the same timeslot, where do you think the viewers will flock to? Certainly not the new members or the runts. How do you build your fanbase if the viewers aren't coming to you because they're going to your senpai's streams?
This is why fighting outside of the Holobox is important. They grow their viewership and subsequently the pool of holofags gets ever slightly bigger.

>>64782373
>It's still a far more risky strategy than just being consistent and slowly building up your fanbase
I know the focus for most of this thread has been on Ririka but with regards to someone like Roboco, Aki and Mel; how long do you give to build up your fanbase before trying something different? They have all been in the game for 5 years now so I don't really get the anger towards them for trying something new if the usual approach didn't work out for them.

>>64777849
Literally who cares. You know what Unicorns are to the vtubing scene? Migrating birds but the kind of birds that screech and annoy the fuck out of you everyday. You treat yourselves as a disposable existence and walking wallets, pity me please. Zero rizz and zero manly vibes, always reeking of desperation and literal unwashed stink.
No girl even vtubers can stand the existence of your kind when their careers grow. Perfect example is Gura, the overwhelming pop of unicorns just made her ghost the entire scene.
Before /vt/ the west made fun of /jp/ for their idol schizos. But sure Unicorns, wear a badge of honour. Kek

>>64769417
Yes. Just watch any of her streams and she's so fucking cute you'd forgive her for anything. I love her.

>>64782718
that's the tourists though, unicorns stick around until the girls get the bright idea to pander to tourists and alienate the unicorns, and then they wonder why nobody watches them anymore

>>64769573
Everyone (Holo JP) is playing it, though. I guess the gaming industry is in such a sorry state that there is nothing new to play.

>>64782918
I'm enjoying VCR GTA but not everyone is playing it.
Mel, Aki, Matsuri, Towa, Botan, Laplus, Ao, Ririka
Axel, Aruran, Astel, Temma, Roberu, Shien, Uyu, Gamma, Rio

>>64782918
It's a two weeks long event with many people from the entertainment industry but mostly streamers. In one week, it will be over which they are all playing it now because there will be no later.

>>64782578
The issue is when those decisions to reach outside of the Holobox upset your pre-existing Hololive fans
I don't think any of Ririka's fans would have had an issue with her joining a server that only had women on it. It's the obvious fact that she knew it would upset her fans that there are men around, coupled with the fact that her response was less than satisfactory, coupled once again with the fact that she's simply incapable of interacting with men in a manner that Unicorns are going to be comfortable with, which is causing issues.
Something like Startend is a good idea. The GTA server just seems to draw in more problems than it might be ultimately worth in the end.

>>64782657
>Roboco, Aki and Mel
For me, the difference is hurting your fans
I don't believe any of those three had ever actually built up a fanbase of Unicorns, so what they choose to do is their own business. But I personally dislike it when Vtubers pull a 180. And Ririka doesn't really have that excuse being a new hire
It's why someone like Laplus was so controversial because she couldn't seem to decide whether she wanted gachi or to be an FPS streamer until recently.

>>64783502
>>64783567
The problem really is that there's multiple definitions of unicorn. Ririka considers herself safe for her definition of what a unicorn is (unchangingly for (You) even if there are other males around), but there are more strict unicorns that thought she was promising she'd meet there standards (never interacting with males), when she never intended to. (And worth noting that /vt/ generally uses one of the more strict definitions.) That's why some people perceive Ririka as doing a 180, when from Ririka's perspective she's been quite consistent in her standards.

>>64769417
Either respawn or live with being defective

>>64781838
Yes? Outside perspective almost always is wiser, it's like saying Neymar would be a greater player if he wasn't a party dog, it's true but it's his decision to diminish his career

>>64782168
Are you retarded? Content spread through the years, even in this instant there's some random guy discovering hololive, just with their size the algorithm does the work, crediting that to those tranny events is retardation

>>64784035
Go suck snowman's semen, hoshicuck

>>64773629
Once the VCR GTA arc is over, there's a good chance that that'll be the end of that and she would rarely touch it going forward. I don't think she has any intention of one on one male collabs, anyway, but the only thing we can do is wait and see what the future holds

>>64769417
Sure, because unicorns are essentially delusional manchildren. Make them want to believe it hard enough, and they'll build the cuckshed themselves.

>>64782168
free game like holocure
cunny kpop
teleconference to cons
VCR is just 1 of many approaches anon.

>>64783927
I don't think that interpretation lines up with her comments about using ASMR to heal her Unicorn's horns. That does ultimately suggest that she knows she's taken a few steps too far

>>64783927
I don't hate Ririka but I've seen the controversial vod and in there she kinda blatantly said that she could do a couple of asmrs to fish her grumbling fans back. I mean it's easy to see that she could've worded it better but it's honestly not surprising that people could interpret her words in such negative manner

>>64784625
>>64784951
The problem with that specific line is that it's also up for interpretation. A lot of the people upset with it seem to be interpreting it as "I'll break your horn off and then just tape it back on later with coombait because you're all gullible cucks", but it could just as easily be "If you're worried my heart might waver because I will be around men, I will whisper into your ears the proof that my affection will always be for you." Both can possibly be extrapolated from the same drunken joke, and one of them is more consistent with her behavior both before and after saying it, but the other feeds drama, so of course that's the one that people see a lot.

>>64769417
Unicorn without a horn? Aint that just whores?

>>64784557
>delusional manchildren
What I have to do with this?

>>64771739
it actually can anon

>>64785062
>"If you're worried my heart might waver because I will be around men, I will whisper into your ears the proof that my affection will always be for you.
I mean the issue is that it's not like Unicorns are upset about male interactions because they're afraid their oshi will literally cheat on them. it's that seeing other men closer to her than any fan will ever be is distressing
Reminds me of Mikeneko doing the fanmeet right around the time of the Apex Matsuri. One comment I saw which really summed it up was
>fans have to pay 10000 Yen just for a chance to talk to her for 2 minutes but scummy male streamers can chat to her for as long as they want
>she even seeks them out

>>64769417
Yes but not by the same girl.