/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

as much as I hate shiori, she would've been an even worse casting mismatch with the Advent models

>>64621128
Stupid fuck wanted to do reaction videos all day

>>64621128
Do you think everyone not in Hololive chose not to be?

>there are still Henya seethe threads more than half a year after her debut
Go and watch her instead of crying that she choose a company that suits her better.

>>64621383
i want to watch her so bad but im not gonna support a girl outside of holoive

Who cares? Things are better for both parties this way.

>>64621408
Oh, so this is just another bait thread.

>>64621408
There are more than enough Hololive girls for you to watch then.

>>64621262
Bijou?!

>>64621128
Not fit for the idol life. Leaver her alone she just wants to play games

>>64621438
you are aware she streams on twitch. do you use twitch? didnt think so

>>64621128
because k-slut got to her first

>>64621408
You are either a dumbass or baiting.

>>64621128
I always thought these kinds of threads are weird because it assumes anyone can just get into Hololive whenever they want just because they had a following
Also, were auditions even open around that time?

>>64621128
Tbhdesu, vshojo is perfect for her, she just wants to stream and not do them idol stuffs

>>64621973
im pretty sure that is how hololive hires most of EN. also she could have just waited a few months

>>64621128
If you are even a bit familiar with her you would know she would go under and hate it in Holo.
It's not hard to understand why she chose VSJ.

>>64621128
joining a japanese slaver company where she would have seen as foreigner? lol no thanks, at vshojo she is adored and respected.

>>64621128
>friends in vshitshow
>more freedom
>not beholden to rules made up by 300 year old japanese men that think samurai still roam the streets
i love hololive and i loved pikame, but she made the right choice and she would not be as happy in hololive

>>64623365
shes gonna make about 10% of what she could have in holoive.

and how long do you think her career as a streamer can last? a few more years maybe?

she should have thought about her future financial well being and chose the path that will lead to money not what makes her happy

>>64621383
>twitch
Nope. She's dead to me.

>>64623507
>moneymoneymoney
oof

She's clean enough she might change vshojo into a non-whore company, MAYBE.

>>64621530
Get an adblocker that works on Twitch, and only watch Henya.

>>64623507
This is why Hololive is soulless.

>>64623507
kys

>>64621128
do we know how long she was planing to join vshojo? maybe the troon thing made her unable to join holo

Reminder that she has been a fan of Zen since the pre-TTS Notepad days. She has also been a fan of Mouse and friend of Kson for a good bit.
Meanwhile the only Holo she knows ANYTHING about is Ina.

>>64624881
it almost funny how she doesn't know a lot about jp holo

>>64621128
Hololive is the Disney of Vtubing
Hope this helps!

A year or so of uncertainty to apply as a Holo or get into Vshojo for sure.

>>64624919
With how sweet, innocent, seiso and wholesome she is wouldnt a disney-like company be perfect for her?

>>64624998
What people here like to ignore is that after all the cancel she consider to never return and her friends convinced her to give another shoot.

>>64625007
Are you calling her fake?

>>64625007
good luck making hikikomori leaving her house because jp autism

Is disney of vtubing meant to be a negative or postivie?

>>64621128
Her IQ is in the single digits. She went from a big fish in a small pond, to a small fish in a big pond.

>>64625230
I think it's funny you can't tell

>>64625230
depends... There's a lot of "horror stories" ex employee tells about working to disney also there's the famous stories about people killing themselves in disney paris because work conditions were just this bad

>>64625259
she is still very big, bigger than some holoEN i would say

>>64625333
>>64625280
when i think disney i think fairytale princess which makes me think of henya cause she is so sweet and cute

>>64625401
oh don't get me wrong, if you are visiting there they will give you the magic "experience". NOW if you are working there, that's another story.

>>64621262
She would've made a perfect pairing with Biboo, on top of being an instant good pairing option with Ina now that Sana's gone.
>>64621520
Half of JP's 1st gen and Half of the EN girls aren't fit for the Idolfag route either yet they're thriving.

>>64621128
She has a lot of insecurities about not fitting in. She's neither Japanese nor American. Probably didn't think she'd fit in either HoloJP or HoloEN. But VShojo is a bunch of misfits and outcasts already, and welcomed her with open arms.

>>64625481
do the girls working for hololive really have it so bad that they would consider suicide?

>>64621408
profound retardation

>>64621128
She left VOMS which was a million times freer that Holo, why do you think she wants to put up with some micromanaging retarded manager?

>>64625651
probably not but i know for sure they are forced to do thing irl what would be a no no no for henya

>>64623507
Holo streamers only keep 30~40% of what they earn in sub and superchats and merch sales. Vshojo only takes 15% of merch sales after costs and doesn't touch any other part of what they make. So they can have significantly lower numbers but come out far ahead in actual earnings.

>>64621128
She doesn't want the dance lesson routine, that's all

>>64625259
She's the 2nd biggest fish in Vshojo, not a small fish by any measure.

>>64621408
>I want to watch another vtuber but not if that means removing Yagoos dick from my ass
This is how you come off

>>64625356
>>64626525
Cope, Henya will never even hold a candle to Pikamee.

>>64623507
>shes gonna make about 10% of what she could have in holoive.
Reminder that she has described her previous income in the smallest of smallcorps as 'i have given up on spending all of my money. I just watch the number and go 'yeah'.

She lives a NEET lifestyle that could be supported on a government tugboat and instead she is making many times that amount. She COULD afford to go to high end restaurants and bars every weekend like some of the holos do, but she would rather stay home and eat delivered mcdonalds.

>>64626631
cry more brownvtm

>>64626631
how would you know? Your data package can't handle twitch

>>64626631
>4x-5x the audience she used to have
Keep coping

why do holodrones insist that every mildly successful vtuber wants to join holo? a reminder that she was pressured to play holocure and couldn't even name half the members, pikamee didn't just not care for cover, she didn't even bother applying

>>64623507
What are you, a Japanese Parent who hasn't seen their kids face in 12 years despite them living in the same house?

>>64625651
I mean half the talents regularly talk about how they don't *actually* have days off, and those 'days off' are just them working on big projects or doing meetings.

That with how notoriously shit some managers are, especially in EN and how half the girls end up taking multi months long health breaks.

I can see it.

>>64621128
Because she is better than hololive and knows it.

>>64623507
There is no money to be made in hololive

>>64628567
>hololive
>no days off
>gura

Today I will remind them

>>64626720
Does Henya have over half a million subscribers? No? That’s what I thought.
>>64626660
>Everyone that doesn’t like Henya is a [insert boogeyman here]
Pathetic.
>>64626703
I’m American and can use Twitch just fine.

>>64628588
She doesn't know Holo enough to realize that tbf, which they probably find more insulting

>>64628738
so you are just trolling, got it.

>>64628738

Is holo the best? Yes. Should every talented girl join holo? no.
The only thing that matters is the girls' happiness, no matter what corp they are from. If Henya is happier in Vshojo let her be

>>64621128
holobeggars lost
just get over it

>>64621128
You have to pass auditions to join hololive
She failed

>>64629030
If your "happiness" means desperately wanting to do react streams, you don't deserve to be happy.

Has vshojo turned her into a whore yet?

>>64629083
Yeah she failed by not applying for your black company lmfuckingao

>>64629255
Why do you want her to be in a black company then?

>>64621383
Same energy as the people who cannot fathom that Delta was able to find happiness and fix her situation without being in hololive. Though considering the other graduates...

Everytime a Holo Graduates they say the gods flip a coin.

>>64626171
You severely underestimate how big Hololive is. I'm in Europe and they sell Hololive merch in stores here in a mid size city.

>>64629238
All women are whores anon

>>64621408

>>64629238
vshojo is unironically more seiso than hololive now

God you guys are cringe incarnate

>>64630390
>vshojo is unironically more seiso than hololive now
Not even close, whore. The entirety of Advent exists.

>>64621128
>can someone explain to me why she chose NOT join hololive?
She unironically probably thought about it. She probably wanted more resources AND more freedom. With Hololive, you get the resources and infrastructure, but there's too much red tape and way too much shit in the ackground you're required to do to make it worth it for Henya

>>64630607
A lot of the resources they're given are for things she isn't even interested in. She's not particularly interested in becoming an idol, doing singing and dancing, doing concerts, etc. She would have higher viewership in Holo but not massively, and not necessarily forever, a lot of Holos are actually smaller than Henya.

>>64630941
Yeah that too. If you don't want to be an idol, or at least "idol-adjacent," then joining hololive is retarded since you'll burn out hard.

>>64630390
>now

>>64629869
why do deltachinks hate kson so much when she's been nothing but nice to her?

>>64623507
She's basically a Hikikomori and doesn't spend any money outside of vidya and manga. Her mom cook's her food ffs. She said she had more money than she could ever spend when she was with VOMS, she's making way more now.

>>64630986
>>64630941
>>64628567
This, she's basically a Hikikomori and joining HoloJP would mean having to go to the office/studio in person pretty regularly to do stuff and good fucking luck getting her to do that.

>>64628667
As always, Gura is the exception anon

>>64628738
>Does Henya have over half a million subscribers?
What is the point of having 500k followers if only 5k watches you anyway? Braindead monkeys only cares for money it's never for the fun or enjoyment of watching a stream.

I wonder how Pika would have gotten along with the new members, especially this bitch

>>64621408
Basee.
I don't understand why people think that watching only hololive is somehow bad or evil.
It's just preference.

>>64634018
To be fair, I don't understand why VOMS doesn't want to get her along with them. Seems like a win win, but I guess it's some JP retardation.

>>64621128
Hololive is restrictive dogshit. If you're not going to do JP variety show style content or musical stuff why would you bother?

>>64628704
pikamee / henya never cared for corpo bullshit and doesn't mind collabing most of the time

>>64621128
What would Holo give her that Vshojo hasn’t already given her? Shes got good viewership, good revenue split, her friends, 3D model in a reasonable amount of time, lax restrictions, and the option to collab with anyone she feels like including Holo’s, why would she need Hololive?

>>64628803
Concession accepted.
>>64628888
Not once did I call her a whore, i said she was an idiot; nice try, though.
>>64633552
It wasn’t five hundred thousand, it was somewhere in the six hundred thousands. The point is that people watch VODs.
>T-THAT DOESN’T COUNT
Most of Pika’s VODs had well over five thousand views.

>>64623507
>BUT DAH MUNNEE

It's okay to watch vtubers that don't have the blue triangle seal of approval. Stepping outside of the bubble doesn't hurt.

>>64628051
Because hololive is easy mode for life. Look how much money Gura is making without even streaming.

>>64621408
Um, BASED. Anybody who watches non-Holos are a cancer.

>>64634946
i wonder what a henya/gura collab would be like

sad we will never get one

>>64634871
>What would Holo give her that Vshojo hasn’t already given her?
The only real thing would be the full-blown idol experience, which isn't something Henya wants. She can already freely interact with any of the hologirls if she wants to.

Choose one
>a company with many of your friends in it, lets you do whatever the fuck you want from the comfort of your home, lets you keep the money, a very similar arrangement to the one you had at your old job
>a company with maybe one of your friends, under extremely strict rules, forces you to do idol shit you aren't really interested in, takes a massive cut of your earnings

>>64635110
I think one of the biggest factors is also that she owns her IP. Everybody that had to go through graduation will treasure that immensely.

>>64635110
duurrr da latter option sounds EGGCELLENT 2 me

>>64634946
>look how much money Gura is making without even trying
why does everybody always equate joining Holo with Gura/Pekora/Marine caliber revenue? There are way more low to mid tier holos who make a decent salary, but aren't even close to making the fuck you money of the upper echelon. With Vshojo's revenue split Henya is probably making more than 75% of the holomems.

>>64635003
That isn’t because of Henya though, Henya could collab with Gura but she’s basically already dead.

>>64635110
Y-Y-Yeah but what if shes like Gura and gets 600 gorillion ccv, thats gonna happen right?

>>64635316
Holy cope

dude but THE MONEY and NUMBERS!

>>64621128
Stop using her for your bullshit, anti-fag, we love chuubas in this house

>>64635553
>c-c-c-c-cope!

>>64635316
Look at sana then. She's already graduated for a while now and still gets threads here sometimes despite her brief tenure. Hololive means you don't need to earn your views.

>>64635553
https://twitter.com/Twitch/status/1735000739326349359
+ screenshot

she made $6270(5700+570) through donations alone in 1 day and that is completely disregarding any subs.

>>64635868
And she got a TON of subs yesterday too. To suggest Henya is in the poorhouse in Vshojo is absolutely cope.

>>64635740
How does this not already apply to Pikamee? Everyone was talking about her graduation and everyone was excited when she reincarnated. At this point Pikamee is an established pillar of vtubing, anywhere she goes she’ll have an audience.

>>64621128
Any vtuber with a brain avoids holoshite like the plague.

>>64635740
>Hololive means you don't need to earn your views
correct, but i'm talking purely about revenue not views. See >>64626171 , Cover takes a massive cut, you aren't becoming a multi-millionaire there unless you become one of their top tier talents which is never going to happen for most girls.
The biggest boon to joining Holo is instant access to a 4-view audience and the potential for music industry connections. If you're already a solid 4-view who can stream full time and you have no interest in a music career the prospect of joining Hololive is basically nothing but negatives.

>>64635229
>I think one of the biggest factors is also that she owns her IP.

often undervalued. Pikamee lost not only her IP but also the models she ordered and paid herself. Now that she owns Henya. She never has to deal with that again.

>>64636416
I wonder if porn exists of Henya being violated by tentacles?

Hololive is the most hated vtuber group in Japan.

>>64636331
Yeah, it's a really good strategy for people like FWMC who were talented 2views, but less so for established chuubas. For Henya specifically she would have to outperform the numbers of every single HoloEN member just to break even after Cover's cut, if earnings is what you care about. And it's clear that there's a bunch of other stuff Henya cares about that aren't reducible to earnings.

>>64621322
spbp

>>64621128
She lowkey hates japanese people for bullying her hafu ass.
There's a reason she's so focused interacting with westerners instead.

>>64621408
Based and same

>>64635726
>Site wide glitch
Yup. Let’s not talk about Twitch’s botting, favouritism, and the softcore porn fiasco from a few days ago, though.
>>64635868
I’m not the original Anon that the other guy was replying to, but Gura (not even sure why she’s relevant) earns way more in a single stream.

>>64636583
She has talked many times about how she was never bullied for being a hafu and she loved her time in Japanese schools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9H124xw-i0

>>64625259
Her numbers on YouTube were abysmal

>>64636667
>but Gura
not the point, the comparison was to the average HoloEN

>>64636853
Gura is not the average Holo EN. I don’t even know who would fit the category.

>>64621128
Because JP companies are fucking cancer

>>64621973
That's literally how it works. If she had applied they would have debuted her solo.

>>64636667
>but Gura
I agree that if joining Hololive would have transformed Pikamee into the biggest ENtuber of all time, it would have been a better decision for her than joining VShojo.
Problem is, there is zero reason to assume that's true.

>>64636942

Gura is the top earning HoloEN.

Average is hard though since advent just barely debutted, if you dont include advent, Bae is probs smack dab middle of holo EN

>>64637097
i dont think henya wants to be the biggest vtuber in the world. too much stress.

hell i dont think even gura wants that title

>>64637097
>I agree that if joining Hololive would have transformed Pikamee into the biggest ENtuber of all time, it would have been a better decision for her than joining VShojo.
This is such a dumb numberfag argument that it may as well be a falseflag.

>established earlier in the thread that Henya is more than comfortable with her living circumstances and has already been making more money than she knows what to do with
>thread still going on about "what if she made EVEN MORE money and had even BIGGER ccv"
You guys do know there's more to life than just money and fame, right?

>>64621322
This unironically

>>64637179
We'll see where Advent settles in the next year. Right now, FuwaMoco are probably the top earners in all of Hololive based on supas alone. They have a retarded amount of wealthy gachis/unicorns supporting them, as long as they don't do anything to fuck that up I'm sure they'll remain at, or close to, the top.

>>64621322
I'm unironically surprised Gura hasn't followed her at this point.

>>64637288
I don't think these numberfaggots even care that Hololive talents experienced burnouts as long as the numbers are good.

>>64621128
she probably wanted to enjoy streaming instead of being a corporate slave

>>64637901
Even holofaggots don't care about their own talents. They're insane.

>>64636942
>Gura is not the average Holo
That was exactly the point. All of these "[insert big indie here] should join Holo because money/numbers" only ever point out at the money being made by like the top 5 or 6 talents whilst ignoring the 40+ other girls at Hololive making significantly less than the biggest indie/Vshojo talents.

>>64621408
People are calling this post "retarded" as if most people didn't pick a company they like and stick to it. Most people who watch Hololive don't watch VShojo just like most people who watch VShojo avoid Hololive. Same goes for Nijis. You pick your favorite and at most watch clips of other groups sometimes.

>>64638329
Most people don't say they want to watch a vtuber badly but then still not watch her because of the corpo logo next to the name.
They also don't make bait threads on /vt/ to lament that fact.

>>64638591
Holodrones do

>>64638329
There's a difference between mostly watching one corpo and tribalfagging about it.

>>64638636
Literally no one in the VShojo thread has ever watched a Hololive vtuber

>>64638745
Only a Sith deals in absolutes

>>64621128
can't do reactioncontent in hololive

>>64638745
They like Marine because Marine is basically a vshojo member.

>>64638849
Hi Marineschizo.

>>64621128
Didn't she fall for the kson talent freedom meme

>>64638879
Not everyone is your boogeyman. Vshojo fans like Marine. Go into their thread and ask them right now.

>>64638892
No, she fell into the "hang out with people I like and own my IP" meme, and it's going well so far

>>64638928
Everyone loves Marine.
Except you, Marineschizo.

>>64638954
You literally just implied that saying vshojo fans like Marine is hating Marine. what's wrong with you?

>>64638745
Wrong, I like to watch/listen to Holo asmr and music.

>>64621408
Based npc

>>64638928
a couple of them know marine from her porn but most don't know her because they don't speak japanese. they watch some holoENs though.

>>64621128
It’s hard to get in. Vshojo, on the other hand, is always looking for the other companies’ scraps.

>>64638329
most people are fucking stupid. Who gives as shit what company a vtuber works for. If their streams are entertaining then that's literally all that matters.

>>64637097
She doesn't want to be the biggest ENvtuber. She wants to be somewhere comfortable where she has friends. She already had friends in Vshojo and the corpo mainly leaves her alone to do what she wants other than when she asks for help. It's perfect for her hikikomori needs.

>>64635868
>>64636667
>>64635553
And she gets to keep 100% of it.

>>64636667
twitch banned embeds months ago

>>64634918
kys numbermonkey

Can't wait for this same kinda of retarded thread when pomu join vshojo next year.

>>64639611
Well she still has to pay taxes and Twitch takes some, but point is Vshojo doesn't see a dime.

>>64621128
>react streamer
>collabs with men
No thanks, I'll pass.

t. actual holochad

>>64621128
Too fat sounding

>>64640001
cuck

>>64640211
I'd be a cuck if I were to watch male collabers, but I don't.

>>64640001
Chad

>>64640001
she doesn't collab with holostars so it's ok

>>64640493
No, all males are bad. Some just more so than others.

>>64640521
wrong

>>64638329
Its one thing to stick with what you know you like, it’s another to just avoid anything that doesn’t have your favourite brand attached to it even if you otherwise want to watch it, even normies would probably call you a retard for this level of brand worship.

>>64640557
Name a good male.

>>64640597
hikakin

>>64640597
Me, just ask your mom.

>>64623507
>why make money and be comfortable when you could make even more money and be soulless
nice pagpag parent mentality you have there, seamonkey

>>64640630
Shitty soijak face comedian for room temperature IQ people
>>64640682
She said you stink

>>64640737
nijiseethe. he is hololive approved.

>>64621128
She wouldn't have made the cut even if she did audition for Hololive.

>>64640780
So are Connor and Gigguk and Joey, doesn't mean they aren't garbage.

>>64621128
Joining hololive would mean she would have to sing and dance and do a lot of busy work, she clearly just wants to stream
>but muh vshojo idol live
You know its not them performing right?

>>64638329
The only thing stopping me from watching more Hololive or Nijisanji is that they stream on YouTube
YT streaming is fucking balls and I already watch so many people on Twitch as it is that I usually just don't have the time for it
And even then I'll still go to YT if there's something I really want to see e.g. Pomu doing a Metal Gear stream

Doing what that anon just did and arbitrarily limiting who they watch exclusively based on the branding is, in fact, retarded.
If you make the company your oshi then you actually have brain problems.

>>64640829
wrong again

>>64640796
have you not seen who they hired for advent? they would kill to get henya

I just hate twitch.
Plus whenever I tried to watch her it's been a collab or whatever and the other girls are always whores.
But as someone who watched pikamee all the time if she's happy doing it that's good enough. The whole shit show about her graduating was awful. Glad it worked out for her.

>>64641093
She did a 6 hour Just Chatting stream recently. It's need to see her grow confidence over time to just...talk. Or hang out in a lobby with like 6 people, some of whom she doesn't know and NOT get quiet and anxious

>yeah I should join the company that fucked over my best friend for China money!
Henya's dumb but not THAT dumb

>>64641163
neat*

>>64637400
>do nothing
>earn a fortune passively
Or
>join Vshojo
>do nothing
>don't earn a fortune passively

>>64641362
what if instead of 精液 it was 聖液 and it was used for baptisms

>>64634871
She got everything she'd ever wanted from VShojo in a much faster timeframe than she could have even hoped for from Hololive.
And she's got a second model debuting next week.

There's really no reason why she would join Holo, and every reason why she wouldn't.

>>64641455
there's already 聖水 for that

>>64638745
That's not true at all, there have been multiple instances of anons there posting about their Holo oshi in the wrong tab

>>64641838
Shout out to the Shiori nudes poster that shows up every so often

>>64638745
This is a lie, I could probably name every Holo (except RE:gloss)

>>64638745
People in the Vshojo thread watch hololive and wish they would leave that black company.

>>64642209
Hey now...Niji gets dunked on, not Holo

>>64640597
That Frenchfag anime director Tenma interviewed the other day was pretty cool, even if I didn't understand half of what he was saying.

>>64642331
Holo is not good either.

Cope and seethe holotrannies

>>64621474
>>64625543
Biboo's design is bad.
Henya is sex. It was the right call.

>>64643516
>biboo's design is bad
holy based

>>64621408
>Being a tribalfag

>64643375
Reminder that this is what reddit frog spammers look like.

>>64643717
>implying loyalty is a bad thing

>>64621438
Wow, it took you that long to notice. No wonder this board is full of retards.

>>64643798
loyalty != tribalfaggotry
and tribalfaggotry is a bad thing

>>64621128
Phase Connect would have been better. Less drama there and greater creator freedom.

>>64644534
And also no concert or 3D, both of which she wanted and got very quickly. Not to mention owning her IP

>>64634946
Okay, now count how many members in all of Hololive are "Gura". You retards always use the top echelon as emblematic of the whole while ignoring the lowest rung. At the very least, take the mean or median for each branch as your basis for your arguments you retarded monkeys.

She's doing fine having Holo numbers without being in holo., Henya has been the best Vtuber recruitment in 2023
https://i.imgur.com/JPdEcDn.png

>>64643717
i'm kind of a tribalfag only i support everyone who's not in chinasanji

>>64643798
>that movie looks great but i'm not gonna watch it because it's produced by paramount. i only watch disney films.
>i'm just loyal, i support bob iger and his dream.
if you met a person like this you'd think they were fucking insane, but that's how you guys act all the time.

>>64645050
Ok holochang
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1735192904388239772
#ひろがるホロライブ
アジア3つの地域にて『hololive 4th fes. Our Bright Parade』振り返り上映決定!

オンライン配信をbilibili、KKTIXにて開催、劇場での上映イベントがソウル、台北にて開催されます。
詳細は追って解禁!お楽しみに

>>64645104
i actively dislike what every other company is doing. i dont think the girls should have absolute freedom. i dont think they should have hardly any say really

i want them to be contained by a set of rules and restrictions that molds them into the kind of entertainers i like to watch. other companies that offer otherwise are tempting the hololive girls to leave and i cant have that. i must not only avoid other companies i need to harm them as well

>>64645437
sounds like you should really fuck off and watch anime then, and i mean that in the most sincere way possible.

>>64645329
meanwhile in ccpzhangji it's company policy that kson/coco has never existed, straight up unpersoning people for the crime of being randomly targeted by bug nationalists

>>64645826
Proof next thread right?

>>64646221
niji rms literally telling that to kson