/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>fail
More like succesfully eluded

>>64093001
Westerners hate lolis and holoEN top chuuba is a loli.

they literally do not need western pennies that come with politics attached

They didn’t want to sleep on stream, do twenty concurrent donothons, or react to TikTok for 12 hours. Oh no, the horror.

idol culture doesnt appeal to the west

>>64093824
I'm a Westerner and I love lolis.

>>64093001
Because there are better EN streamers, Japan has nothing better than Vtubers.

Opposed to which company with a western audience and sponsors?

>>64097784
Op wouldn't answer this.
Despite the content of the year winner ironmouse and the technological marvel codemiko, vtubing on western media is on live support and have been on decline.

>>64097579
Italian are not westerner

>>64093001
Do you really want them to be part of the troon awards?

>>64093001
Only the weeb audience matters and they have no competition.

>>64093001
>fall
[Citation needed]

>>64093001
>fail

the demographic they'd appeal to is not a valuable market outside of weeb games

>>64099089
What do those moonrunes represent?

>>64098053
>western media is on live support
kinda like ironmouse

>>64099277
the useless metric known as subscriber numbers
EN is lumped together with ID there too

No streams

>>64093001
Lack of homo

>>64100710
>Useless numbers
>"Why doesn't my oshi ever get concerts/outfits/merch etc?
Because those "useless numbers " are too low.

Uh they didn't..? Hololive EN is still way more popular that Vshojo and Niji EN.

No one will ever match JPs in vtubing. Get over it. You walk around tokyo and see anime girls plastered literally everywhere, you'll never see that in the west, it's a different culture.

>>64099277
metric go big anon, it can't get any simpler than that

Not enough niggers and faggots.

>>64093580
fpbp

They need to debut black vtubers first.

>>64093001
Because they aren't on the QSMP minecraft server, only reason why Mousey was even considered was because she is part of it.

the more you people spam that dying spick is more reason for me to violate her grave when she finally dies and spam it on her discord forever

Europeans really look down on anime and Japanese culture in general. They don't consider it a real art. This is why Cover hasn't opened a branch there.

As for Americans, although anime is popular, idol stuff is not. I get the haha Yagoo's dream is dead meme, but Hololive is basically an idol group.

>>64107924
Anime is popular in the sense it’s now been upgraded from Japanese porn cartoons to Japanese cartoons, that might be porn. Covers entire western business strategy is to appeal to Asians living in the west, hence why they focus their marketing on the west coast

>>64107924
Is that why Europe has the oldest and biggest cons for comics and manga on top of importing japanese anime/mamga media since literally the '60?

>>64093001
>capture
I am not a pokemon bruh

>>64107032
retard

>>64093001
99% of the hololive audience don't want them at the troon awards or involved with Californian western troon devs. I'd pay them to stay out of that shit.

>>64109258
isn't that like, only France?

>>64093001
The barely tried with the western audience and their still big in the west.
They can't get any western sponsors because of the divide between new media old media. They are new media, all the traditional sponsors are old media.

>>64093001
Vtubers aren't that popular in the west

>>64093001
The JP members have slower been increasing their EOP pandering. Look at Nene's recent streams. Noel just did two EOP pandering ASMR's 12 hours apart.

>>64093001
The JP senpais failed their EN kohais.

>>64099277
Deadsubs go up.

>>64103756
Even if Hololive was equally popular in the west, you still would see them plastered literally everywhere. Even if anime and otoku stuff was proportionally 3 time more popular in American than it was in Japan, the mainstream would not support it, because they don't want to support new things.

>>64111341
how?

>>64111985
I don't know, sometimes I just feel kind of down. It feels like EN shouldn't of had all the troubles it did and the JP members are supposed to be their senpais.

>>64112339
what the fuck is that supposed to mean the only people that can help them are their managers

>>64112441
Well that's obviously not true. Senpai have their senpai duties.

>>64112778
no they don't, get a job you dumb neet

>>64093001
blindchama....

>>64093001
But, they did...

Vshojo is on Twitch. Sponsors don't care about YT.

Ironmouse was the OG and reaches out to other people. Aside from Cali nobody in HolloliveEN does anything to reach out.

Cali is the face of Hololive.

Gura might be bigger but, she rarely streams and doesn't do much of anything.

Cali streams everyday and never takes breaks.

Now, Hololive JP is many, many timers bigger. They get tons of attention and clout. They're basically celebs.

>>64112778
All the people that went to the top had little to no help. FBK actually went down, maybe because she was 'helping' Stars. Same could be said for Ollie who tried to 'help' everyone at her peak

>>64113548
Finally, a good argument. FBK should have helped EN instead of Stars, would have actually made a difference.

>>64099380

>>64093001
>EN branch
>90% are seanigs, gooks and chinks
there is no EN branch, just because you can speak english doesn't make you EN

>>64093001
Enlighten me, which VTuber corpo managed to capture more "Western audience and sponsors"?

>>64111341
JP girls owe those fucks nothing, you hear me? NOTHING. Its funny how people say the maleshitters should stop leaching off the girls on EN yet I constantly see people beg the JP chuubas to shill the EN chuubas despite that basically leaching.

>>64093001
>"""""fail to capture"""""
>holoEN fucking crushes everything else and still dominates fucking years after several other official tryhard corporate efforts throwing out more EN tubers and massive smear campaigns running against it 24/7

>>64113843
>90% are seanigs, gooks and chinks
That nijisanji though

>>64111530
They don't want to support new things unless they support convince political agendas, maybe if Vtubing was like it was 10 years ago they would support it in the name of Girl Powar!!! But Girlpower is out.

>>64093001
Western audience is homoglobal poison. Take the money but don't appeal tontheir people

>>64113843
That's the point though? EN is English as in the language, not the land in Britain nor it is named Holo White American.

>>64093580
this also idol culture is considered as "crige" by western normies. wait until yagoo develop his AI pet project

>>64099380

>>64099380
kek

>>64117635
is it not cringe? if your not a weeb what reason is there to watch a vtuber?

it is somewhat sexist but i've geniunely never seen a female streamer that's entertaining to watch, most of the biggest female streamers are coomer bait

>>64117785
nta but actually as long as their models aren't coombait being a vtuber requires more out of a girl than being a tiddystreamer with caked on makeup - and most vtuber models are not outright explicit coombait (many are however). someone like Pekora is genuinely a funny streamer to watch and she genuinely isn't a coombaiter and outright doesn't even entertain gosling'ing too hard (doesn't read superchats etc). I'd wager odds are the most entertaining female streamers right now legit are vtubers, because fleshtubers seem to pretty inevitably rely on sex appeal to cover for a lack of humor/wit.

>>64117951
well, i agree with all your point i think if cover can find a english pekora there's a better chance for it to go mainstream. but i don't think it can be a carbon copy since western culture is way different so the content would have to be different

>>64099380
Kek

>>64093001
because vtuber is their culture not ours. Doesn't matter how big holo or some vshojo is in the west, they'll never scratch mainstream appeal here and will be limited to weeb circles

>>64093001
To be a successful streamer in twitch, you need to belong to a famous streamer circle, and even if you do, there is no guarantee of success.
Why should holos do that?

>>64113726
How's she going to help them? Do some awkward collab with a language barrier?
You don't know how companies work

>>64093001
Even most top twitch streamers can't get good sponsors or deals unless they do shady shit like taking casino or crypto money.
It's always the same shit, gfuel, manscaped, gacha, gamer brands etc. Most mainstream brands just have zero respect for streamers and I don't really blame them when the majority of them are just dramafags.

>>64114861
Ironmouse alone mogs all of holoEN, even the nostream shark.

>>64114861
Dominates what?
There are dozens of twitch indies that are far more popular than any Hololive girl these days and VShojo completly crush HololiveEN in terms of popularity

>>64113533
No one cares about HoloJP outside Japanese borders

>>64100710
It's so fucking funny because Cover (And I'm pretty sure other companies) simply divide their markets between "domestic" and "international" (or overseas) instead of separating them per country, region or what have you

>>64120843
[FaZe]BigFish

>>64121239
No one cares about holoEN at all. They regularly get mogged by vshojo and twitch indies.

>>64099380
anon thats mean

Basically HoloJP gets good sponsorships because theres a culture for using anime characters to promote stuff in Japan.
No such thing exists in the west and the scales are much much bigger so nobody wants to promote using something that is very fringe in the west.
Here they'll use sports stars and hollywood celebrities. Their reach is bigger and they're more culturally accepted.

Ironmouse alone is more relevant than all of holoEN combined.

>>64113843
Amusingly Hololive is about the only EN corporate vtubing branch this doesn't apply to.

>>64125592
You are right but each gen is getting progressively more SEA
Look at the new homos. Theres not a single white guy in the new wave.

>>64125614
>wave
homos are not hololive.

>>64125683
Same overall management and what they do with the homos can show us how they're thinking

I don't know why I expected anything but seethe at the booming success of holoEN coming into this thread, the grapes must be extra sour

>>64125705
They also just debuted Advent to actual Hololive and they were 2/5 Asian, which is fewer than Council.

yet another niji cope thread

>>64125741
>booming success
>entire branch is gigamogged by ironmouse and twitch indies

>>64125741
Eh, the guy samefagging about twitch is pretty obvious, not so much seething outside him.

>>64125749
two out of five?
Bruh they're like 5/5 asian. Maybe 4/5 if you're very strict on what constitutes asian

>>64093001
Does anyone else notice that the JP girls have been increasing their EOP pandering.
On top of that, their trying to mix JP and EN together. Both the Sport Festival and New Years Countdown has each group be a somewhat equal mix of JP and overseas members.

>>64126301
>Does anyone else notice that the JP girls have been increasing their EOP pandering.
Not particularly, I remember a time when they used to do way more than they do now.

>>64126389
This. That anon must not have been here in the COVID era ('21-'22) if he thought "JP girls have been increasing their EOP pandering"
>>64125789
This is what being delusional looks like, I suppose

>>64125420
>No such thing exists in the west and the scales are much much bigger so nobody wants to promote using something that is very fringe in the west.
It is kind of foolish to think to think they'll get sponsorships from say Coca Cola. It's far better to go for things that's more focus on what the audience is into like convention-related stuff or PC parts

>>64126575
Where's your Content Creator of the Year award?

>>64093001
>Cover
You need to be more subtle if you're going to do this. It's not a "Cover" thing. It's a vtuber thing in general. The West simply doesn't give a fuck about vtubing.
>b-b-but what about (popular indie)?
Twitch whores aren't vtubers. They're just using an anime girl avatar because they can't compete in the whoring contest themselves.

>>64126734
Ironmouse is an OG even among the current "OG" vtubers. She's been in the business for longer than Tokino Sora and Hololive as a whole. Show her some respect.

>>64126389
They used to more. If they were at 10, then they went to 0, and now have been slowly increasing it. Check out Nene's recent streams or Noel's two recent ASMRs.

>>64126796
Why would I respect some shitter who relies entirely on her sob story and using every Twitch trick she can like hosting other popular streamers while she streams herself sleeping?

>>64126716
>>64125461
>>64121958
>>64121185
>>64121218
why don't you just stick to /#/? Did the fags there stop biting?

>>64093001
Because they try to impose archaic and utterly retarded JP logic to anything they do.
They don't try to garner a audience and simply expect people to love them for existing.
And they get insta filtered by most normal people with a half working brain due to using the word "idol" positively. Everyone in the west just knows that idol companies are horrible and cultlike.

>>64099089
get mogged

>>64117785
nta, you can be into anime and not into idol stuff
If someone likes anime, it does not mean he or she likes iDOLM@STER, Love Live! , etc.

>>64126796
You should be ashamed with the fact that she has done nothing despite being in the business for long time instead of asking for respect.

>>64127582
Not a vtuber though.

>>64093580
Idiot.

>>64128524
More of a vtuber than Gura.

Cover's Official statement

>"And the post of the year award is won by...>>64099380!!!"

>>64093001
>audience
They did. Most of you are just mentally, socially and emotionally deficient so you ruin it.
>sponsors
Japs being japs. They can get hard to work with sometimes.

>>64099380
DAMN

>>64097579
why?

>>64093001
They botched it with the homostars

>>64093001
I love Fauna.

>>64097706
It's so funny to read retards with strong opinions like this fag
Kek

>>64140719
That anon was oversimplifying, but that does contribute to it. Japan has a much less developed streaming culture than the US, and one of the reasons the streaming meta took off so fast for vtubing is that many vtubers in Japan filled the niches typically dominated by fleshtubers in the west.
Since big fleshtubers are rarer in Japan, a vtuber inclining with fleshtuber content like FPS games is considered perfectly normal, whereas in the west, they’re seen as a novelty (“if they’re a real [genre] streamers and not just a vtuber, then why don’t they ditch the cringe avatar?”).

>>64093001
Because Cover at no point actually tried to breach the audience that wasn't already into vtubers or susceptible to them.
Ignoring Gura's meme rise to power, HoloEN fans are mostly HoloJP and HoloID fans who can listen to someone speak their language now.
Ironmouse and other western vtubers, especially the larger indies, don't try to enforce a bubble separating them from the larger content creator sphere and thus get more sponsors and larger outreach.
Cover smartly stuck to their guns and it worked, in that they captured the same audience HoloJP had, but in English. Everything else is mostly riding the wave.

>>64098053
>vtubing on western media is on live support and have been on decline.
And that's a good thing.

>>64093001
blame the ceo, thats literally his job.

They did capture the audience.

But Japanese companies don't do enough ESG bullshit to capture Western sponsors.

>>64107924
Nobody knows that they only know they are vtubers that speak other languages. The reason they aren’t in the game awards is because they aren’t openly gay or crippled. That’s what the game awards is about big corporate trailers for games and political spectacles.

>>64093001
Unironically by streaming on YouTube and having perms autism for collabs.

If EN was allowed to act more freely and ingratiate themselves within the wider vtuber scene, the entire branch would be a whole other story compared to what it is right now.

>>64141053
Japanese streaming culture was big in nico. They, however, like manga, were diverse from the beginning so ecelebs didn't come to existence.

Most popular western streamers only play western AAA garbage or popular ones on Steam and all the audience flock into it like Hollywood or capeshit comics. Such a huge casual culture looks just like "developed streaming culture" to you.

>>64143099
>collab with popular twitch streamers
>belonging to twitch streamers circle
>streaming on twitch
>attending all twitch con
>be a twitch streamer simp
If so, is Mori's roommate popular on Twitch? The answer is no.
You Twitchschizo just want to believe that Twitch is still popular in the west.

>>64093001
Wasn't that Nijisanji?

>>64143549
>You Twitchschizo just want to believe that Twitch is still popular in the west.
it's literally the biggest livestreaming site in the world.
Just because YT is the second largest website in the world and they happen to have streaming capabilities doesn't make it popular for livestreams.

>>64143722
>livestreaming
So I'm talking about that streamer industry declining year after year.
If Twitch had made enough money to pay Korean ISPs, they wouldn't have shut down Twitch Korea.

>>64093001
Being insecure with so many good EN vtubers

>>64143549
>is Mori's roommate popular on Twitch?
She has pretty good CCV.
But she doesn't stream often and she doesn't stream for very long, which are big debuffs on Twitch.
She has done four (4) streams this year.

>>64143825
>Twitch is dying because it can't afford Korea blatantly fleecing it to price it out of the country and bolster their native alternatives

Why did Cover the Western audience but fail to capture sponsors?

Ignore that >>64143902
Why did Cover capture the Western audience but fail to capture sponsors?

>>64143868
>She has pretty good CCV.
<1k
>she doesn't stream for very long
No. She did marathon streams.

>>64100710
>>64105030
>>64111355

>subs don't count
>CCVs don't count
>supas don't count
>sponsorships don't count
>in fact the only real metric is my schizophrenic headcannon

i get it anon, only your feelies matter

>>64143549
>is Mori's roommate popular on Twitch?
No, as a twitch streamer.

>>64093001
remember when Gura, the star of EN, was in a Taco Bell ad?
she doesn't care to do the thing that made her popular anymore (stream) so of course western sponsors aren't going to be calling

>>64093001
>Why did Cover fail to capture the Western audience and sponsors?
Because the west is inherently incompatible with Japan on a cultural level and idols will always be frowned upon in the west even though its literally just the Japanese equivalent of our showbiz
Also, hololive was only ever going to reach otakus/weebs anyways. The clipwatching tourists aren't fans.
COVER should've made realtime translation software for their main branch instead of trying to expand into America.

>>64144062
Why do you people always lie about Twitch stats when they are so easily found
https://twitchtracker.com/
Obviously I probably shouldn't write the channel name so you'll have to do that yourself
Her longest stream on record is 7h22m. Then 5h26m. Then 3h58m. These are not marathons.
Her all-time average viewership is 3K
Her lowest-viewed stream was on May 24, 2023 with 1.7K

>>64107924
>Europeans really look down on anime and Japanese culture in general
No we fucking don't?

>>64144274
>994

>>64093001
>Toxic idol culture
>Toxic fans
Good luck with that kek

>>64144473
>Toxic
where do you people come from?
discord?
twitter?
fucking resetera?

>>64142990
HOLOSEETHE KEK

>>64144395
I think you might be putting in the wrong username brother

>Holo community not putting a price tag on Twitch streamers in 2023 is hurting Twitchfags so much.
I feel sorry for them.

>>64093001
they found out what that entails and whom you'll be obligated to pay tribute to

>>64144395
She re-created her twitch account after she joined Hololive.

>>64093001
Do idiots actual believe Cover failed to capture a western audience? Were did all these vtubers come from, who inspired all of them? Why are their all these idiots of 4chan talking about them all the time? Go to any of the EN girls and look at their views, and also, who do you think watch those translated clips with hundreds of thousands, some times over a million views? Why have Nene, Noel, and Ririka been doing EOP pandering streams recently?

>>64144625
I'm suprised that Blackrock didn't start blackmailing COVER with ESG yet

>>64140719
>>64141424
I KNEEL...

>>64144713
>idiots actual believe Cover failed to capture a western audience
Twitch retards only watch twitch. That's why they love react streams.

>>64141424
>Because Cover at no point actually tried to breach the audience that wasn't already into vtubers or susceptible to them.
Sounds like a bad business model or maybe the need more homos

>>64144513
Give more homos and I'll consider watching holowhores kek

>>64144713
>Nips whores are desperate cuz they're declining too

Talent Freedom =/= Pandering to Twitch's culture.

>>64128524
Better than your en holowhores

>>64140719 #
>>64141424 #
KNEEL BEFORE THE QUEEN

>>64145566
Have you seen the list of other candidates?

>>64145179
Cover has been telling the girls to expand their audience. I think people at cover might have come to the conclusion that they're near their limit in terms of growth with their current audience. I don't think they can make very much headway on other audiences in Japan, they've tried with the esport and eceleb crowd. It seem that Cover has been slowly increasing their efforts toward the overseas audience. They've been including the EN girls in more projects, mixing them with the JP girls. In the Sports Fest and New Years countdown, they've tried to make each grouping of girls equal amounts JP and overseas, Mio even said they did it on purpose during the Sports Fest. They had Holomeet, there's been more collabs between EN and JP, and the JP girls in have started speaking more English or really any English at all. A-chan and Yagoo learned English too.

>>64145832
This is actually reasonable if not for the fact, Cover still doesn't seem to understand overseas markets outside of people who like anime boys and girls.

>>64093001
>Have utterly retarded restrictions on who can talk to who and who they can play with.
>Have just as retarded restrictions on what games you can play.
>Have every little decision be controlled by some random manager.
They've locked themselves in.
There's no normal EN vtuber who want to go through the hassle of even attempting to schedule a collab with any Holo talent.
Like just take Lethal Company as a example, do any Holo's have permission to play it yet?
Could they capture any of the hype surrounding that game?

>>64146651
But thanks to not streaming MGR as mori, mori was able to release an official collaboration song.

>>64146536
There is no "overseas (VTuber) markets outside of people who like anime boys and girls" and there won't be any anytime soon (within the next few years at the very least).

>>64144713
This is clearly a bait thread, anon. Don't take the post too serious. No one sane is going to ask
>Why did Cover fail to capture the Western audience and sponsors?
When HoloEN has been and will still be dominating the Western VTuber scene in almost every metrics (except perhaps streaming hours, I suppose).

>>64146536
People who like anime girls, also know as all males and some females.

>>64147061
The sponsors part is actual interesting and worth talking about. Even though I think we have a pretty good idea already.

>>64093001

holojp is more like holo tokyo; the jp girls met irl all the time, collab in flesh all the time.
holo en can't do that; one girl is in europe, one girl is in australia, one girl in is canada, one girl is in USA. you can't build and strongify anything at the same level of the JP branch. this is a big problem.

>>64147631
> this is a big problem

it's not off-collabs that make pekora entertaining sorry, the only vtuber that complains about this is kiara

>>64147193
> all males

touch some grass if you don't think most dudes would be embarrassed to be seen watching a vtuber

>>64148617
First of all, it's a joke. Secondly, you'd be surprise how mainstream anime has become in America. Thirdly, adult watch what they want to watch, kids and teenagers try cater what is approved by others.

>>64144513
you somehow forgot about reddit

>>64093001
>Why did Cover fail to capture the Western audience and sponsors?
Western advertisers are more interested in pushing social propaganda than actually advertising.

>>64150562
Originally I wasn't going to push further into this idea because I thought jannies would get mad, but fuck it:

The vtuber audience is inherently allergic to the infantile wannabe social engineers that pass for marketing staff in the modern western business environment. The audience are weebs so they won't cower when they're called bigots for rejecting whatever shit gets shoveled down their throats. The great majority of the audience use pseudonyms and anime avatars on social media so they can't be bullied into submission either.

Turn on cable TV and look at the ads. Ideological and ethnic pandering is extremely common and it has started to backfire because they're not actually marketing their product to people who will buy it anymore. They're marketing their ideology. Doesn't work so good on japanophile lizard chuds.

>>64150984
>japanophile lizard chuds
I shall wear this title with pride

>>64151034
>I shall wear this title with pride
It came to me in a dream.

>>64093935
DAE remember the BLM fundraiser?

I wonder if anyone pointed out to Ame that years later not a single penny went to any of the Bs whose Ls supposedly Med.

>>64098053
> technological marvel

???

>>64094327
Idol culture is universally appealing.

>>64112339
What?

>>64145112
We dont want you

>>64151315
Wait, Ame did a BLM fundraiser?

>>64113533
>sponsors don't care about youtube
this has to be the most retarded thing i've read today