/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>64135449
>Like the nijiholo apex tournament?
Ah so they were trying to use hololive to launder their shit reputation.after all

Millie cute!

TL;DR that shit i ain't reading all of that

>>64135449
when is the next /vt/ secret chat stream Milie? i thought you were going to pwn 4chan, why pussy out now?

>>64135716
>VOD views are enough for me to live i dont need to stream
>Im happy and im not allowed to say anything else
>why dont people see that niji has lots of good stuff coming up
>note the positive thigns stop being so negative waaaaaa

>>64135449
It's 50% of her fault that the company has that image, why does she pretends to be a victim?

>>64135716
>niji isn't a black company, because i, a niji liver, said so!

>>64135716
>Please ignore everything every other liver has said about nijisanji, it's not a black company because I say so

>>64135941
/#/nigs and dramatubers fans like to raid nijisanji streamers

millie sex

>>64135449
Why is she reading 4chan, Twitter and YouTube comments? Bad time to do that as an English organ.

>>64136028
this is her doing tho

I can understand her position, but she's obviously biased. She likes her job because it was a big improvement, and the better the company's reputation the better for her.
That she doesn't want niji antis among her fans is understandable too, but it's also shutting down criticism with an ideological purity test - if you're my fan you have to follow my lead.

>>64135449
>would you still call yourself..a niji fan then? If you don't trust what I say."
LMAAAAAAAAAO you couldnt make this shit up

>>64135449
>why are people calling Nijisanji a black company
Because it is a black company?
>that desperate damage control as if she has a gun pointed to her head to make people trust her
lmao
Mandatory link in every Millie thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2XZDyi7Vs&ab_channel=%E5%9B%9B-Chan

I get her gripes, I really do.
They do get a lot of bad rep from shitposting here and on 5chan.
But I'm still not watching NijiEN anymore after what happened. Sorry Mliie.
Watch JP and KR, sometimes ID, but EN is on my blacklist now.
I wish the best for you, but your friend is just vile.

>Niji is cooking a lot of stuff for us
Are they even cooking obsydia 3D

>>64135449
that's cute, she probably got a raise for saying all that

>>64135449
filipinos really can survive on 40 dollars a month, huh? and somehow that makes niji a good company?

>>64136015
>every other
Like who? The bitch that was fired and clearly holds a grudge to this day and openly shit talks her co-workers?

>>64136885
She lives in Canada anon, she lives in one of the more expensive places of Canada as well.

>>64136943
Nina, Yugo, Zaion, Mysta
"covid, huh"

>>64136943
lets start with these livers and work our way down shall we?

>>64137012
>they don't give them buttons
Damn, the horror.

>>64136966
in fact she promised to donate her membership money to charity, but later retracted this promise so she could buy an expensive apartment for herself instead. Now she can live near the super expensive place Enna lives. Clearly Enna's idea to do this.

>>64137054
>It doesn't count
cope

>>64137011
>all people that were fired or quit
>two that clearly hold a grudge
You're not making your point any better.

>>64136574
Wasn’t that just them mimicking the retards that gossip about vtubers

>>64137068
She still gives membership money to charities frequently but doesn't disclose the amount because her chat literally told her to stop donating their money to charities and spend it on herself instead

>>64137054
Buying another play button is as little as $150. Kurosanji won't even do that because it wants to remind the organs who owns them.

>>64137128
you mean coming up with brand new insults to toss around internally because she thinks that's a win somehow, yeah
just as a reminder, flopsoliel was never mentioned here until she came up with it on her stream

>>64137092
>they dont count because......... THEY JUST DONT OK!!! NIJISANJI IS GOOD !!!! I AM HAPPY!!! YOU NEED TO TRUST ME!!!

>>64137088
Given that Gundou said that she was making 1,5mi yen (10k usd) a month before quitting when she was pretty much a 3 view, I'd say it doesn't matter.

>>64137054
Every one who has left and spoken about it has said that it was their dream to get a playbutton since they had been in the content creation sphere for a long time. They could literally just pay for extra play buttons, fuwamoco got 2 play buttons so clearly it’s plausible, but kurosanji doesn’t want to do that

>>64137201
you mean the same gundou who said she was making more money than she was back at nijisanji?
Also isn't it funny how all the nijis who graduate end up streaming as vtubers anyway?

>>64137188
I'll trust the people that are staying over a brownoid from a subhuman country.

>>64137201
Gundou was sponsor networking genius unlike other 3views

>>64137256
Who do you think Millie is retard

>>64137151
>her chat literally told her to stop donating their money to charities
lmao no, chat are sychophants who will agree with whatever the vtuber says. So she says she wants to buy an apartment then holds a poll for chat, and they all sycophantically vote "yes". They didn't beg her at all, she lead them to agree with her based on her words.

>>64137245
She didn't said that she was making more money, she said that she was making almost the same, but nice try erping that you know japanese, it's cute.

>>64137256
>I'll trust this brownoid from a subhuman country... because she is just better alright

>>64137188
"Blink if youre being held hostage"

>>64137256
So you dont trust Millie?

>>64135449
Grim.

>>64137012
Nijigrudge thread?

>>64137314
>>64137280
Yes, i'll trust the one that is working there instead of an unemployed sea subhuman that will never amount to anything.

>>64135449
Says the bitch that made a 4chan stream. Her own gen gave NijiEN a bad name. There was no drama prior to Ethyria and Luxiem.

>>64137355

>>64137364
see I told you nijiniggers turn on their nijis the moment they leave the company
The same fate awaits Selen and pomu

>>64137278
Everyone in nijisanji gets sponsor work, retard.

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>>64137449

>>64137011
>Nina
Praised Niji management for her first year in Niji and even told people that she was thrilled to be there. Then management didn't let her sing and she got harassed by mysta's audience for trying to get him to kiss vox on stream.
>Mysta
Complained that he didn't get a button and that nobody helped with his taxes even though he's on record through various clips showing that he did turn down the anycolor accountant to go with his own instead and then ended up owing a fuck ton in taxes because his accountant didn't know what he was doing.
>Yugo
Has never said anything about nijisanji, literally, yugo pretty much pretends like Nijisanji was never a thing
>Zaion
Was in nijisanji for less than 3 months and spent most of it deleting her vods constantly and claiming she had permission to do stuff that she didn't have permission to do.
While suspended was logging into her alt and liking comments attacking nijisanji and her coworkers and then claimed it was everyone else's fault she got fired.
Still attacks people who stood up for her to this day and likely doxed her "friend" when her friend didn't respond

>>64137364
>>64137256
>Sea brownoid from a subhuman country
What the fuck anon you cant just call Millie that...

>2/36 isn't bad
well Millie it was actually 4, because 2 people were randomly terminated for no reason. Also it's out of 40 you dumb cunt.
Also a good number of them are so new they didn't have the chance to graduate yet. Why don't we only consider the ones with more than 1 year of experience?
So that is 4/27, or 15% graduation rate

>>64137497

>>64137557

>>64137617

>>64137300
https://youtu.be/bFWj_qig2AY?si=u-naRpOyZXVkWboj

>>64137663

Rangeban the rest of SEA immediately.

>>64137714

>>64137617
This is from when holofags were pretending all the shitting on Rushia was nijifags. Holofags still stalk and harass her to this day.

>>64137684
She literally explains how and why she made so much money that month.

>>64137785
t.nijinigger

>>64137772

>>64137722
>Euro hours
>Sea bitching increases
why are europoors like this?

>>64135941
Woman tactic anon.

>>64137256
>Deleted
touched a nerve, huh.

>>64137785
sure

Reminder that Mysta made enough money to buy land and build a home for his family in England

>>64137516
>Terminated for no reason
Yugo was a mess, anon. Yugo literally had one of the worst streams in en, getting drunk to the point of no return and lamenting about not being born male. Yugo also likely left due to wanting more control over music rights since like every company, the rights of the music you make under them belong to them.
Zaion literally continually had to private her streams to the point where it was an ongoing meme as to whether or not the vod would survive. She even admitted in her doc that she was continuing to do things behind her managers back. She was frequently told by everyone in her gen that she needed to stop or else she'd end up getting fired and she continued to go full retard until she got fired.

>>64137948
imagine how much he contributed to Riku's golden yatch that he's now never going to ride

>>64137923
I could post the super long list of Enna's and Finana's yabs, including her audition tape she sent to her discord fuckbuddies, but I feel like it's enough.

>>64137987
You can't even spell yacht right.....

>>64137300
what the fuck was that supposed to mean? maybe stop "erping" that you know english, its not cute its disgusting

>>64135449
She sure hope NijisanjiEN won't ever be closed and she need to reincarnate in other company.
Otherwise this is gonna be good addition to her lolcow folder.

>>64138023
>You can't even spell yacht right.....

>>64138070
Try putting the pagpag down before you shitpost anon

>>64138110
>Try putting the pagpag down before you shitpost anon

>>64136966
No fucking way her accent screams seanig

>>64137225
Both Kuro and Matara still live off of their Niji PLs by the way. They always reference it every single stream. They would be nothing without it. Hanya and Kson put their previous selves in the past but those two are basically Mysta and Nina extended without the model

>>64138221
>They would be nothing without it

>>64138014
Half of ennas "yabs" are shit from a fat ass half Chinese half flip who hates that she made jokes about religion and
>>64137449
Like do you not feel embarrassed when you read this shit?
>SHE POSTED SHE NEEDED A NEW PHONE! THAT EVIL BITCH!!!!
>SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO BED AND THEN DIDNT IMMEDIATELY GO TO BED!!! THAT WHORE!!!!!
>SHE MADE A FLAT JOKE!!!! HOW EVIL!!!!

it gives me second hand embarrassment and I'm not even a fan of enna, it's just legit sad

>>64138163
>Anon has never heard of immigration

I'm glad Nijiniggers are working around the clock to defend their favorite black company. While some are working for gift cards, others are doing it for free. For FREE! To autistically defend a company day in and day out with no financial incentive is a level of dedication that we could never know. So I praise the Nijinig defense force. I am glad you're putting your autism to good use.

>>64138258
The amount of Riku images you have saved makes it seems like you’re in love with him. You jerk off to this folder every night?

>>64138320
I do hope he's paying you a good wage for your work defending his company anon

>>64135449
You're part of the reason why it's a black company you little shit

>>64138258
He's completely right though. Vshojo hasn't held "auditions" in years and the last time they did someone who was already orbiting vshojo ended up getting in. 5/6 of the past hires of vshojo have been people from other companies that got established through those companies before being recruited by vshojo.
Nijisanji, just like hololive and even voms to a certain extent, gave rise to the people who ended up going elsewhere. Nina in her past life before she was Nina was a chuuba who frequently talked about politics and was a low 3 view. She wouldn't have even been looked at by vshojo orbiters.
Mysta's PL was a 2view png who was on the verge of being homeless due to his moms poor financial decisions.

You can be upset about it but it doesn't change that without nijisanji neither one of them would be in vshojo

>>64135449
>no true niji fan

>>64138488
>Yes, without nijisanji you're nothing, everything you are you owe to Riku, this is why all the plaques are mine. Know your place and contribute to the yacht fund filthy peasants

>>64138221
Henya, sure, but Kson is the same as those two.

>>64135449
>The company takes really good care of me
There are prisoners of war that didn't sound this desperate. The reason that Nijisanji has so many graduations is because they don't pay them well, they have to worry about staying on the good side of management, and because of the crab bucket mentality where they defame anyone that isn't sufficiently loyal to Nijisanji.

>>64138648
Is reading really that difficult for you guys? Is that why you rely on the same like 4 images someone else created (most likely someone who wasn't sea)

>>64138728
No more difficult than pulling your tongue from out of Riku's asshole

>>64138728
In case your tiny pea brain still cant figure it out. You are being mocked for how fucking stupid you are. Zaion already exposed your black company over the "we pay you in exposure" bullshit

>>64138715
Battered wife syndrome

>>64138771
You already posted that meme above anon. That's just sad

>>64135449
Lying fucking bitch, when I search up nijisanji (even when I type just after it) it doesn't come up with "black company." her fucking masters forcing this bitch to say that, or she is just trying to make her company look better, because they know they are in the decline. fuck these untrustworthy whores.

>>64138789
>y-youre being mocked for how stupid you are
M8 you didn't even offer an argument and what's this whole
>Pay you in exposure
literally 2 members out of the 36 people in en work outside jobs. One chooses to do so because she doesn't want to be left without a job if vtubing doesn't work out for her and the other works as an unpaid intern.

>>64138914
skill issue

>>64138953
Oh I bet aster is surviving with his 7$ earned per stream

>>64139001
>is yugo a girl
KEK

>>64139017
Actually yes. He doesn't work a job either.

>>64137501
Yugo kinda based for that despite being a tranny.

>>64139065
so he's a neet?

>>64139001

>>64139001
>Nijisanji is Kyo black

>>64139119
Yugo was really cool in a lot of ways, I'm happy that u-san has found success elsewhere especially through music. Yugo may have been a bit of a disaster at times but wasn't a bad person by any means. Just extremely menhera

>>64138914
This is a clean NewPipe session. It's real.

>>64139122
America doesn't really provide you neetbucks like other countries do. Welfare isn't really enough to buy you PC shit. Especially not PC shit capable of playing shit like apex and armored core

>>64139157

>>64139362
lol

>>64139351
If you're disabled, you get a lot.

I like nijisanji sometimes, the males for the most part fucking suck but some of the girls like rosemi are very cute and fun to watch.

>>64139494
He's not disabled though. Kyo is the only one who would be eligible for that afaik

>>64139589
I see. I wasn't the anon you were talking to, and don't even know who you both are talking about. I just wanted to add that tidbit in.

>>64139362
KEK

>>64136574
As fun as it is to shit on Ethyra, thats kind of management's fault.

>>64139589
Being mentally challenged is a disability in most countries

>>64135449
Millie has been reading too many 4chan threads

>>64140152
She's the one who thinks it's a good idea in the first place so no it is her fault

>>64140249
Nobody bats 1000 anon. You pay managers to tardwrangle you.

Hell, Yagoo has to be tardwrangled sometimes. See: Holostars.

>>64140164
He's not though. He's perfectly functioning he's just stupid

>>64140316
Don't go pushing the blame onto management for millie being retarded

>>64140344
Genuine question. What do you gain from lying? I dont get it

>>64140473
I'm not, Aster isn't mentally challenged. Not as far as I'm aware. He just does things like fujo bait and then reel it back because he doesn't want to be associated with fujos and rage at video games he sucks at

>>64140473
Niji defence force need to earn that ride on the golden yacht, please understand

>>64140463
2 things can be true at the same time

Millie is omega level retarded
Management is also retarded for not considering this a red flag and okaying it.

>>64137415
Tell me more about how often you watch Coco and Rushia in December 2023.

>>64135449
>"I can't really say anything else but there is so many things that is happening, a lot of fun things. Niji is cooking a lot of things. That's all I could promise you guys. Niji is cooking a lot of things for us."
Like AR live?

>>64135449
L + Ratio + Your play button got melted down for a yacht

>>64137054
It isn't that big deal but if they don't give a shit about details they don't give a shit about anything either, it's like a game, the water ripples or npcs lifestyle means nothing but if they put effort into those meaningless things it means they put even more effort where it matters

>>64140720
Go ahead and spin more stories about how you've always hated mystia, nina, zaion, and Yugo and that's why it's a good thing they left nijisanji

>>64141012
>ignores the question
kek

>>64141102
>You HAVE to watch every single vtuber in the company, no questions asked
Meanwhile you can pinpoint whole threads of Mysta's asshole being polished daily for his numbers up until his graduation and then becoming hitler overnight

>>64141102
Oh I'm sorry did I expose your psyops?

>>64141012
>but but but what about
I don’t watch Nijisanji, faggot. How often did you watch Coco and Rushia this month?

>>64140720
Cool, that’s not what anon said though. “Not giving a shit about” and “turning on” are two different things. Both are part of the corpos’ branding strategies. Once a holo talent graduates, she leaves the holobox and so most of her fans won’t follow because they care more about the holobox than any single talent.
Meanwhile, Nijisanji lets its shitty fans run amok and act like tribalfags on every platform they end up on. That tribal mob mentality makes them rationalize all sorts of shit.
The worst you hear (that’s not from schizos /here/) is “It sucks that Coco had to graduate. Yeah, I checked out kson’s streams for a bit but it’s just not the same,” or “Damn, it sucks that Rushia broke NDA and got fired. Her roommate’s been on a downward spiral.”
Yeah, REAL comparable, nijisis

>>64137151
Donating membership money is so inefficient. Just make a charity stream with a donation link where people can donate directly - that way you're not giving Youtube a cut and you actually promote the good cause.

>>64141330
And yet you vehemently defend them anyway, curious isn't it?

>>64137054
There's no excuse for them to fuck up on the basics like this

>>64137714
AIIEEEEEEE PLEASE DO NOT REDEEM

>>64135449
>"We could go on breaks, anytime we want. It's up to our decision."
>It's up to our decision
Why would she make the most obvious and easily debunkable lie the 2nd point in a list of like 20?

>>64141779
Because she's retarded and thinks this would actually turn around nijisanji's falling reputation

>>64141457
People basically said the same in her membership post where she asked if people wanted to see her continue to donate money or if she should save some for herself.
Her membership basically told her
>If we wanted you to donate our money we'd donate it ourselves.
Shortly after that she quietly started donating to more local charities instead of big charities and now spends at least a day every week offline working for charities in her area in person.

>>64139147
>>64139147
>>64139347

>>64141779
Petra literally goes on breaks for 3 weeks in a row. Enna didn't stream for nearly 2 months because she was on break.

Meanwhile in hololive you have to have "health issues" such as ame, gura, Ina, sana and Kronii

>>64141943
>break
You mean suspension?

>>64141943
Anon, we know now from multiple sources, including Niji's own official statement where they forgot that confirming Zaion was suspended last New Years also confirmed the stealth suspension 'rrat', that Nijisanji force their talents to go on breaks.

>>64141839
>Shortly after that she quietly started donating to more local charities instead of big charities and now spends at least a day every week offline working for charities in her area in person.
That's very sweet of her. Shame Niji accepted her application before Hololive.

>>64141943
Maybe if nijisanji didn't officially confirm they practice stealth suspensions this wouldn't happen

>>64140463
Anon, if managers don't caution against wildly stupid ideas, you need to fire those managers.

>"they don't watch the livers. Oh yea! Clearly"
>"I can't really say anything else but there is so many things that is happening, a lot of fun things. Niji is cooking a lot of things. That's all I could promise you guys. Niji is cooking a lot of things for us."
Spoken like a politician lmao

>>64136574
that was so weird, everyone on /vt/ pretending to give a fuck about that when in reality they find it funny
dumb islanders pretending to feel offended just to shit on niji
The only thing I won't forgive is zaion. I don't give a fuck about all out war or retarded shitposting since thats just petty shit

>>64141012
Lol, sisters heralded Zaion as the best hire in a while until management told them to go into attack mode on her but this was conveniently memoryholed

>>64142438
>>64142520
oh hey speak of the devil

>>64141488
>monkey only see tribe, why you attack monkey?
Because I’m making fun of you for being a bold-faced hypocritical faggot, you shit-stirring drama whoring monkey. You will crawl through broken glass to wage war for a corporation that doesn’t even pay you, and the moment that stupid blue triangle isn’t next to an egirl’s name, you drop them like a New Year’s disco ball.
You’re like a 12-year-old waging endless console wars on GameFAQs because mommy won’t buy him more than one video game box. If you actually cared about how these companies treat their employees, you would be a vshojofag, anyway.

>>64135449
Vox Akuma is in that company. They could save drowning children, and I would still keep shitting on them for this sole reason. When you hire someone who makes shit like "Daddy Will Caress You ASMR", then I don't think that you deserve my respect in any kind of way.

>>64142657
Funny that sounds just like what a nijinigger would say

>>64137501
you gotta link to Mysta clips or no one will believe you

>>64142376
You mean fire the livers for daring to make nijisanji look bad amirite

>>64142058
>>64142192
>>64142116
Did we just somehow memoryhole when two different homos were suddenly unable to stream and then just suddenly "quit"
I won't deny that stealth suspensions have happened, but there are countless breaks in en where chuubas spend literal months traveling through different countries, taking pictures of them and eating at unique places and tweeting about how much they're enjoying their breaks.

Meanwhile on the other side, half the girls who go on break make up some health issues to "justify" it and then come back months later and go "lmao I'm just burned out"

>>64142934
The difference is that cover didn't officially confirm they do stealth suspensions like the retards at nijisanji. Now seethe

>>64139347
bandage bros
we made it

>>64142901
Disclaimer: I'm a holofag. But...

Are you intentionally being dense?
Their talents are way more irreplaceable than a bunch of faceless managers. It's way less of a PR hit to fire bad staff and hire some better staff. The talents have to ask for perms for nearly everything they do, and being a 'different' content idea, this is probably no exception. That means smoothbrain Millie had to come up with this atrociously stupid idea, and smoothbrain manager has to give it the okay.

Yes it's millie's fault, but they have staff that they pay to prevent their talents' worst impulses from seeing the light of day. That's why i put the blame on whoever is Millie's manager or superior.

>>64143207
The thing is that that is how nijisanji operates, and don't think nijisanji has one talent per manager like Hololive. In nijisanji it's closer to one talent per wave

>>64143152
Ahhhh
You're funny anon.

>>64143207
Ignore them, they argue in bad faith with willful ignorance

>>64143458
Oh I'm sorry did I ruin your nijinig psyops?

>>64143207
You really believe she had management approval?

>>64142763
Still waiting on an answer, faggot.
How often have you watched Coco and Rushia this past month?

>>64143207
Originally the stream was supposed to be different as well. It was a fun idea originally where a bunch of people would participate in an anonymous group chat and people had to guess who was who.
It turned south because at that time there was the cancellation of AR Live and everyone was frustrated about it. The official news wouldn't release until 2 days later but the talents already knew it was cancelled by the stream.

Someone. Assumably Enna, ended up steering the conversation into rrats from /here/ a lot of people at the time thought it was genuinely funny even Twitter did but sea urchins are afraid of their reflection and got really angry about it

for the last fucking time, it's 2023, stop calling nijisanji a "black company!!!"
it's an "african american company" or a "company of color"

>>64143758
Nice deflection anon, don't you have another thread to make about how you always hated mystia and he's literally nijisanji Hitler?

>>64143761
Isn't it funny how much sea gets brought up during euro hours?

>>64135449
And none of that addresses the absolute bullshit they put in Zaion's graduation notice.
Nor Vox, Ike and Mysta clearly signalling Niji lied about Covid being the reason the EN event was off after Millies stream.
Or Mysta and Nina both throwing major shade at Niji.

All she points out is literally attributed to being protected for being part of the Clique.

How much did she get paid to defend the company out of nowhere?

>>64143850
I don’t know who either of those people are.
Still waiting on an answer, faggot.
How often have you watched Coco and Rushia this past month?

>>64139249
Yugo was actually chill. Only issue was being not cut out for corpo vtubing.

>>64143894
I'm referring to the past and it was fine and funny up until SEA found out and the rage of the SEA was enough to boil at least 3 pots of pagpag that day and those pots still boil to this day

>>64135449
Read between the lines.
The VOD views and community watching them keep her afloat.
She is unawarely confirming its not Niji or the merch but just the loyal community being paypigs, that she could stop streaming and still make money.
That is not a W for Niji as she thinks it is.

>>64142604
idk if you meant it that way but what I mean is firing zaion the way they did is what I would never forgive. idc about the rest of the petty drama I hate nijien for that alone

Man the fucking more I think about it the more I hate them

>>64144116
There were definitely issues though. Like the fact that the first lux vs nox tourney had to be called short because yugo started fake crying in the corner.
And the drunken stream break down.

>>64135449
>We enjoy what we do and we like it here. It's a comfy place for us. It's a really comfy place.

Considering she has her real life best friends in the company and being part of Eliras circle, of course its comfy.
They can basically do whatever they want without needing to fear any genuine consequences while Zaion gets throw under the bus for a fucking Deez Nuts joke.

>>64136716
Same honestly. I like Niji Jp and KR but I will not watch any Niji EN.

>>64137772
damn this is some insane amount of schizoness, combined with japanese 2ch NEET virginity energy

>>64144338
Thats what I mean with Yugo not being cut out for this.
Yugo is probably better off as an indie and do what he wants than work in some corpo.

The amount of HOLOSEETHE in this thread is really amazing.

>>64144676
but sis your livers are the ones seething at the better company...

>>64144676
Delusional.

>>64141012
mysta and nina were the most hated in /nijiEN/ though. Nina was hated by the board before she debuted for her commie past. She redeemed herself by never mentioning politics though. Mystakes were schizos who shat up the thread. Mysta himself was a whiny bitch and barely liked

None of the points mentioned are the reason why people called it a black company.

>>64144919
Anon, she knows. The casual Nijifans dont even know what is going and its directed at them for pitybait.

>>64143843
Kek

>>64144919
>>64145026
Same anon.
Your normiefan has no clue about any of this, they aint gonna research either.
She 100% knows this.
This is a malicious attempt to grab pity cause "How dare these evil people!".

>>64144919
I'm pretty sure she's just pissed off because her coworkers get a lot of flack for it and a lot of the work they put into their streams gets undermined by shitposting dramamonkeys. Nijisanji is not clean, but I do feel bad for the ones that work hard like Selen, and even the newbies who don't even get given a fair chance because their company lost the console war.

>>64143850
You got it wrong, Zaion is nijisanji hitler

>>64137397
what website is that?

>>64144839
Holotards will seethe about this until the end of time.

>>64145121
They chose to be there. Why go easy on them?
If you apply for a job, you are supposed to do some research to where you actually apply.

>>64144676
Ftfy

>>64144912
People try to rewrite history but Nina was okay at times to talk about in the thread but sisters got mad at her for "leeching" off of luxiem, Pomudachis got mad at her for "trolling" Pomu and then trying to numberfag with metal gear but a lot of people didn't like that she constantly dropped games, overslept her streams and they ESPECIALLY didn't like her spamming "Honey" repeatedly on debut.

Mysta was only liked by mystakes and even then people got so tired of mystakes they tried to force them into /nenmen/ who also got tired of them. To this day there's an anon named Rebecca who STILL bites bait about mysta/kuro

>>64145134
this image fits when you remember millie mindbroke herself into thinking shes working to hololive

>>64145182
Exactly, if you join NijiEN after seeing what happened to Zaion you deserve what's coming

>>64145320
It's funny people say this when nobody watches sayu

>>64145476
>day 99 of donothon
snore

>>64145235
KEK

>"that was happening but I guess ppl just like to look at the negative stuff and ignore all the positive things that we've been doing."
>"It just pisses me off sometimes. Hello. We've been working so so hard."
>"Come on. That's not fair for us! Please note the positive things too. You know?"

When there's been a lack of tard wrangling among the more drama-heavy talents like Kyo/Luca/Enna for ages and some of the big faces like Vox are having menhera breakdowns on stream, no shit people aren't going to focus on the positives.
Hell, even if Nijisanji EN's situation is actually starting to change now, people aren't going to easily forget the 2% merch cut leaks, Zaion having one of the worst termination notices out there (whether you love her or hate her, that basically damaged Niji's brand in its own way) and now with Nina and Mysta leaving and fucking shitting on their former employer. They have to work hard now to earn back lost fan trust, it's not that hard to understand.

>>64145476
Yeah, nobody watching her is why she had 69 day subathon.
If you wanna lie, at least try something better cause that is genuinely pathetic.

>>64145662
Most people have moved on from that though, the top girls in NijiEN have been getting back the viewers they lost

>>64145235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0rZHNHUqQ

>>64145807
>>64145525
She literally ended her subathon like 2 weeks ago anons.....
Nobody gives a fuck about her. She was just used so retard like yourselves could go
>NIJISANJI BAD

>>64142934
But their suspensions were publicly announced on twitter, you sure you didn't mistake those for your own livers?

>>64145951
Why would I keep up with a menhera who can't keep a job

>>64137516
>No reason
Yugo had plenty reason given he was a drunken fool who was invading JP only parties he wasn't invited to and showing up deadbeat drunk to in-person meetings at HQ

>>64146058
>Yugo
>he

Post your results boyos

>>64146094
I don't fucking care don't move the goalpost, sure behaved like one with rampant menhera

>>64146202
I'm not the anon you were talking to. I just had to correct that bit.

NijiJP >NijiEN

Isn't it funny people stop posting the "Pomu can't use 3d" rrat when it was pointed out that Hololive did the same.

>>64146000
It's so much better that we had undisclosed suspensions happen randomly and then two people just mysteriously decided to graduate shortly after these suspensions for no apparent reason and it was surely their own choice to graduate and nobody else's choice and they totally weren't fired or anything like that.
You're right, what was I thinking, how silly of me.

>>64145129
lurkmoar.com

>>64145852
Then I don't get why Millie's upset now, especially since NijiEN had more proof it was a terrible company in early 2023, unless she's upset that it's still in people's minds.

>>64135449
millie or zaion is lying. You decide

>>64146539
If you watched the clip she saw it while searching up nijisanji

Millie just cannot keep her mouth fucking shut can she?

>>64146398
pomu literally cant use her home3d, kiara is getting her 3d birthday live after ina's, which is happening tomorrow, what you're thinking about is the 3d anniversaries

>>64144676
There's more holoseethe than nijinigs, really make you think

>Niji's talents are being negatively affected by the ongoing astroturfing campaign from False/Khyo
>all the "w-we only hate the company, not the vtubers!" faggots go silent

>>64146387
That's like saying that bread is better than shit

>>64147194
What's funny is khyo has been getting his ass beat on Twitter lately and false is having his co workers graduate

>>64146660
Somehow she failed basic opsec

>>64143578
>Get that many of your branch members to get involved in this little skit
>Doesnt get blocked by management
>Selen tries to host an art contest for new costumes, paying with her own money
>Gets blocked by management

Not 100% sure, but 'yes' is the safer bet

>>64143442
So I can place a lot of the blame on the manager.

>>64135449
Kinda sad... but I guess that's her job.
Still, between Zion, MYSTERIOUS LEAKER NIGGER and handful of misc bs that was 100% Nijisanji's fault pretending that they are good is fucking ridiculous and if she really wants to act dumb then it's on her.

I hope that she will be next on chopping board just to make her choke on her words.

>>64143843
>company of color
Not to be confused with colored company, that's racist.

Funny how Holodrones will try to defend Zaion when they know nothing about her and don't watch her content. However she has to be the good girl in the story because niji bad.

>>64145922
Fucking kek.

>>64145951
>Niji black company deflection post

Funny how Nijinogs forget about <3nijifamily and are fine to throw Zaion in the trash after that absolute shitshow of a termination letter.

Fuck Finana

>>64135449
Why do JP ESLs sound so cute, but SEA ESLs sound so ugly?

>>64147613
As someone who defended her adamantly she was kind of a dumbass about the whole thing in retrospect but the company fumbling her termination that badly was fucking impressive

>>64147717
Don't forget Kotoka "Can't even wish her well" Torahime

>>64147394
>MYSTERIOUS LEAKER NIGGER
That was Mysta being an assmad faggot as usual, you guys sure love to cling to a menhera homo

>>64147823
Sorry, sympathy is five dollars a month
Its really weird though how Kotoka went on later to be the one still mentioning her the most and that it would be sad if people just forgot about her

>>64147887
He was confirmed for vsj for like eight months before he graduated, he absolutely sabotaged shit

>>64147613
>Zaion
NijiGone(graduated members)are reaching holoJP numbers, Zaion is just one of them

>>64145476
She has more viewers than half of NijiEN lmao

>>64147613
She definitely made a lot of mistakes in her post-NijiEN career like starting on Youtube only to move back to Twitch, and traveling when she was still in the process of building up her audience again. Still, it doesn't change how horrible that termination notice was, and this was around the time NijiEN's copyright strikes were starting to fail because the company had no ground to stand on outside of Japan.

>>64147916
The sad part is that unless things changed behind the scenes, their relationship just seems irreparably damaged since Zaion seemed to hold onto the "can't wish her well" quote when she was drunk months ago.

All out war against self.

>>64147613
It's like you children can't see someone getting ganged up on by higher ups and your coworkers.

I feel bad to some extent, it can be frustrating to feel like you’ve got good things going on but the nature of corpo privacy leads to rampant speculation. Even making statements like this people will just assume shes just doing this to protect the company and she really doesn’t have any way to prove them wrong, she can think whatever she wants about the company, but she can’t actually refute any criticism even if she was able to because that would likely require revealing private information about the company.

>>64147823
God that was the saddest part of it all. Fuck that gen and fuck the not-first-and-second-waves-of-NijiEN.

>>64135449
The problem with niji is that there's trash members, if only the management are bad the fans would notice, but the members do dumb shit every week
That's why holofags are so united, even the worst holo did less dumb shit than an average niji, if something is bad holofags always shit on the management because 99% of the time it's their fault, with niji management is dumb but the members aren't far from them

>>64148272
No need for speculation. Zaion's termination notice was laughably one of the worst decisions a corpo could make.

Now that the dust has settle is Niji actually a black corpo. Their streamers probably are making 6 figure income or close to it and people like Mysta was making middle/upper 6 figures if he wasn’t so stupid with taxes.

>>64144919
>>64145026
>>64145115
anon this entire thing began because she saw black company in google when searching for niji birthdays. You cant change the definition of black company, theres one and anycolor dont go into it. You can use other words, shitty company, bad company, etc, but it never has been one

>>64136015
Well kson has only been in one other corporation and she said vshojo is the best thing since slice bread then 3 core members left. Either vshojo treats shitters better than their bread winners, doubtful considering silvers deleted tweet before leaving, or people hype the company they are with and the throw potshots at the one they left. They throw potshots at their “rival” companies to though funny enough it seems to be the same people doing that as well
>Every new member of vshojo would be no name 2 views without their ex corpo
>EVERY member of vshojo period would be no names without HOLOEN/HOLOJP
Vtubers that leave corpos act like the worst type of women and I’m including the males.
>“Oh my god I got to go on multiple trips or quit my annoying job or pay off loans or buy my parents a house or live in a penthouse but they also wanted me to act like it’s a real job I’m so sad”
This is almost everyone that leaves corpos to go indie or to a new corpo except weirdly enough the ones in actual toxic corpos. For the non schizos doesn’t all the complaining and passive aggressiveness get tiring?

I love nijiJP, Elira's music, and Selen Gamer's streams, but the environment in EN often feels incredibly toxic with secret Discord clique drama. Does everyone pretend to love the Nijifamily? I listened to Enna's music in the utaite era why does her behavior on stream come off as a cunt?

>>64149065
You're telling me a 3view getting at most 35% of a channel's income and 2% from merch can make 6 figures? I'm gonna be a vtuber

Really, the main issue here is this board uses the term "black company" incorrectly, opting to redefine it into something else.

>>64149700
2% only from physical merchs but 50% from VP. 35% from Superchat and streamlab. Even if she make 35% of this she’s still comfortable. Not counting Views and Sponsors.

>>64149593
They left because it was easy and convenient since they own their IP and they didn't really want to belong to the group anymore.
It's hardly comparable to Nijisanji where graduation poses an immense risk to your livelihood.

>>64149593
In regards to kekson she thinks Vshojo has better monetization structure for their talents compared to Holo but that's only because she's too retarded to understand Hololive and Vshojo have different business models which affects thei monetization scheme.

Holobrowns are seething again?
I guess holowhores cucked them once again so they decided to deflect.

>>64149593
Kson thinks like "bigger slice is better" and business doesn't work like that, getting 1% of Coca Cola shares is worth more than 50% of some random bar

>>64149950
>>64150422
Why do you make shit up about Coco?
She simply didn't want to deal with Hololive management anymore. If it was just about money she would have never left.

>>64136577
Counter point those that left hate their job does that mean points they make are more reliable? What about Yugo who was fired she doesn’t obsess over niji is her opinion invalid? What about the jp member that quit solely over their fans or because they accomplished everything they wanted nothing bad from them either? Are the only opinions that matter those that are mad? According to kson every corpo besides vshojo is a prison is hololive bad now? Idol dropped salacious allegations against Riro which she denied/ claimed misunderstandings eerily similar to what happened to Zaion is idol now a black company? Fubuki said she’d leave if cover ever changed and recently they’ve coerced talents into sponsors/collabs they didn’t want or those talents were lying. Either way trusting someone that doesn’t like their job or loves their job never paints a full picture even with both it doesn’t paint any picture

Poor millie she doesn't deserv
>>64149913
Okay discount oil barrons

>>64150699
>According to kson every corpo besides vshojo is a prison is hololive bad now?
She never said that, nijishill.

>>64150577
You misunderstand, she didn't leave because the money was bad. She left because management wouldn't let her do anything she thought was going to be fun with tatsunoko because of zhang infestation. It was after she joined Vshojo and NijiEN' 1% split came out kekson commented about how well Vshojo pays. People assumed that to mean it was better than both Holo and Niji, at least for the talents which is probably true. That doesn't excuse her ignorance of why the corpo has different revenue splitting. I assume it's because she's never actually dealt with the financial side of things for an organization.
>t. former accountant

>>64150870
She literally said regarding the Niji leak that she thought the split from Holo was bad but that the Niji split is even worse. So according to her it is Vshojo > Holo > Niji when referencing the leak.
Just watch stuff before you claim shit that can be proven wrong.

>>64150699
You make valid points, except that I never said anything about trusting those who dislike Nijisanji more.
I'd look at the opinions of those involved (while taking their biases into account) and other relevant information (taking into account the possibility that they might be false or lacking context). That's what you need for an informed opinion.

>>64150870
I seriously doubt she's ignorant of it. It's just a better split and she explained it to her fans, which is kind of important for them to know. It had nothing to do with throwing shade at Hololive or thinking that it's a better financial decision compared to Holo overall.

>>64151006
What part of
>It was after she joined Vshojo and NijiEN' 1% split came out kekson commented about how well Vshojo pays. People assumed that to mean it was better than both Holo and Niji, at least for the talents which is probably true
did you fail to comprehend?

>>64151038
In her mind more money for the talent is a good thing, but in cases of Holo, Niji, and Vshojo the brand matters more than the talents. That's not to say the talents don't matter, but looking at current kurosanji rrat and Vshojo being known as whore corpo I think for Holo it makes more sense for them to keep more of the cut outside of SC and and maybe merch sales as lkng as they run proper opsec. They've fumbled it in the past but it's crazy to me how well they're viewed in the EN sphere despite the fuck ups.

>>64151065
You said
>People assumed that to mean it was better than both Holo and Niji
and I pointed out she literally said that and there is nothing "to assume". She said that she thought the Holo split was bad.
I agree with anything else you said regards the reasons behind the splits being different.

>>64150577
Besides fleshstream her content is the exact same

>>64150870
She also said she used to bitch about 30% being too low.

>>64149647
It’s because there’s not really a set formula for how a Nijisanji member should behave or what kind of streams they should do. Hololive has “virtual idols”, which in the EN context has been reinterpreted as “CGDCT”. Vshojo has “twitch streamers, but with anime avatars”. Phase is “sad girl corpo”. For those three examples, as long your content fits the branding, you benefit by becoming part of the [corpo]box.
With NijiEN, you both have the fact that there’s no real branding for the company as a whole—their strategy is to debut a lot of vtubers and let the viewer find someone who makes the content they like. All of these members have to compete with each other for nijifans. And despite Nijisanji’s stated intention, in practice they do so many open VCs and group collabs that any fanbase that’s too different from the rest will get pushed out by the majority, because NijiEN makes it hard to watch one member when you can’t stand most of the others.

>>64151259
She never mentioned hololive

>>64151390 (me)
Oh. Forgot to answer the question. All the stuff I just said leads to infighting, cliques, cattiness, the whole drama. The kind of people who are left after all the shit NijiEN’s gone through are the kinds of people who would enjoy watching Enna act like a cunt.

>it is our decision to go on breaks or not

>>64151453
NTA but that was LARGELY implied.

>>64135449
>Someone explaining the side of the story that doesn't fit my narratives is now "damage control"
Dramaniggers are so retarded

>>64135449
Listen Millie. It's not so much the company, but the company you keep. Feel me?

On a serious note, if you truly believe Anycolor/Nijisanji is a black company, then do what Millie did: pull up the actual definition of black company and go point by point demonstrating with substantiated evidence that they meet all the criteria for a black company.

>>64135449
being in enna's clique probably skewed her perception of the company a bit.

>>64151994
Ok, so what you're saying is that we should call it a dogshit company because it is not literally a black company. Hope that makes you feel better!

>>64151994
its what i always said, they arent a black company and people misuse this term here and outside of here all the time.

>>64150788
She's never necessarily said that but she has kind of implied that she's implied that since she's been a part of vshojo she gets way more opportunities and has more freedoms than she ever would at cover and she isn't wrong.
Kson is now featured in two different Yakuza games including one with the guy she literally named herself after in hololive.

Hololive never would have given her that opportunity and I will also say that the original anon has a point as well where talents have been coerced into participating in events that they had no knowledge of.
In fact why did you ignore almost all of anons points except for the part where he mentioned kson?

>>64151994
I'm going to keep calling them a black company because it makes multiple nijiorgans (CN) seethe in public.

>>64152633
It's not about "feeling better". It's more the point that this board is filled with braindead zoomers who have a long track record of misusing various terminology e.g. black company, idol, cuck, gfe, etc. I've been here since the board's inception and witnessed in real-time terms being warped into meaning things that have nothing to do with the original definition. It's just tiresome how stupid and stubborn all you zoomers are.

Wanna know the funniest thing?

Nobody is on her side. Everyone on the OTHER SITES are roasting her and Niji, and bringing up Mysta/Nina and how they've been shitting on Niji constantly almost every single stream. All this has done is cast a spotlight on the anti's, giving them more attention. Millie is a fucking idiot and so is everybody else who thinks they're "owning" the haters by mentioning SHIT on-stream

>>64152817
>She's never necessarily said that but
in short, you're pulling it out of your ass, I get it.

>>64135449
>Millie, auditions are closing and we need more applicants.
>By the way, we still remember the damage you created when you had the secret GC.
grim
i don't know why anyone would want to debut with nijisanji when the last waves are barely off the ground

>>64152817
Because I had no comment.
It's news to me that Hololive would coerce talents into participating in events.

>>64150577
No one is making shit up people harped on talent freedom but that was one single part literally everything else money related

>>64153249
>No one is making shit up
They clearly did by implying that Kson was just too stupid to understand the business.
She didn't leave for Vshojo and she didn't leave for money.

>>64153000
I am on her side. What now?

slight reminder

>>64135896
>>why dont people see that niji has lots of good stuff coming up

good question. If true, then they've been shit at getting the word out. seems to be lost in all the fan drama.

>>64153000
>everybody
you mean the people who dont watch her, only watch clips and are dramafags. She was talking to her audience, not to those people

>>64152633
Realistically speaking I'm not even seeing a whole lot of evidence of them being shitty.
>THEY KEEP THE BUTTONS
honestly who gives a fuck. Up until recently simply debuting in NijiEn gave you a silver button.
>2%
doesn't really seem to add up. In fact if you take a look at how much mysta owed in taxes either his fans were buying 100 copies of every voice pack or he got way more than 2% off of merch cuz he didn't get anywhere close to a million in superchats and memberships, certainly not through streamlabs either. He owes nearly half a million USD in taxes, that no
>B-BUT THEY CANCELLED AR LIVE
shitty. But on the same hand it took 2 years for Holo en to get the opportunity to do anything in 3d, cover wouldn't even provide ame the shit to do it at home. Kiaras pretty much implied that there will never be another performance featuring all of myth and has mentioned that the idea of en getting anything like JP gets is completely out of the question.
>B-B-BUT
At the end of the day a total of 2 members from the en branch have jobs outside of streaming one of which is an unpaid internship. Half of them sleep until 10 am on the regular and don't leave their houses. The two members who graduated made enough money in the short period of time they were there to not worry about employment elsewhere for several months as well as fly around the world and fly people to them. 3 views in the company brag about using their funds to pay for cruises for their family and taking them out to places where every item on the menu is over $100.
3/4s of the members just got back from an all expenses paid trip to Japan and about half are going to Japan again this month to participate in a massive event where once again everything will be paid for, shit last time Selen was there she even bragged about getting a salary to shop with
>n-nijiseethe.....
Not an argument

>>64151014
My point is we can’t make informed decisions because we don’t know any real information. For every well this person said this you have a completely different response under the exact same conditions. Fired, Quit, Stays, Stays begrudgingly you can name multiple and some are happy while others are passive aggressive. Even if you want to go by sample size more people are happy to neutral terms with anycolor but that doesn’t guarantee it’s not a black company. Any opinion besides undecided is a biased opinion against them even if the opinion is positive towards niji it’s still against them. Hololive fans gave Yagoo and cover an inch then they tried to take a mile with adding homos to everything. Anything besides a neutral opinion is a disservice to a company

>>64151994
>>64152634
They're not a black company, but there are certainly shady practices behind the scenes. The unplanned "breaks" which are essentially just forced probationary suspensions are a good example of this. Another example is the events that are abruptly cancelled under suspicious pretexts like "we can't do it because of covid". There is obvious mismanagement going on that other Vtuber agencies obviously aren't subject to. I mean, they've all had a share of controversy - Hololive, Kawaii, Phase, Idol, etc - but only Nijisanji is the one with a connotation of being a bad company, only outshined by actual scam organizations like Wactor.

>>64135896
not allowed to say anything else lmao guess pomu saying her 3d live was denied didnt happen? funny how its only true when they say negative things

>>64153838
this is only in the west, mainly from nijien, not in japan, their main market. JP is barely nonexistent here so i guess what happened in en does that

>>64151464
It's a shame; I really like her singing voice. She would easily pass as a holo singer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCfig7SxyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOTso9AC9ks

>>64153772
Should have asked it to not be clipped, or post it memberstream.

>>64153817
The button shit is the weirdest thing because only a small batch really care the golden button is the only important one unless success as a streamer was your life’s passion most are grateful but don’t care for the silver. On the other hand you’re wrong about members luxiem and noctyx had 5k+ members for at least 3 months as most had all emotes and those don’t disappear so they probably fell below it but that alone even if they only got 25% out of it that puts him over 30k so upper 6 figures is safe bet. You’re right about schizos arguing about people who were able to quit their jobs and live better lives than most doctors note I said live better not make more

I appreciate her content so I hope she does what's best for her and doesn't get bogged down by all the drama.
If the money is there with Niji and not with the other corpos, she should stay with Niji.
If the money isn't there, if the money is elsewhere, then she should go .
There has always been drama and there will always be drama, regardless of the decisions she makes.

>>64153817
again nijifags fall back on his argument
>"they make a lot of money that means they aren't being underpaid"
compare them to anyone else in a similar position in the industry. Like holos, or vshojo, or anyone. It's clear they are being underpaid. But you keep doubling down "see they make a lot o money! see!"

>>64153885
Well yes, this is what I'm referring to. NijiJP is a completely separate department from NijiEN. The japanese side is evidently much better organized, Even in HoloPro, we can see that JP takes precedence over everything else, noting surprising here. But on the same token, no one associates HoloEN or HoloID with a bad connotation even though they are clearly secondary in the organization. NijiEN however, does have a bad connotation. The issue here is that Niji has been making choices that have negatively affected their optics for the EN brand, and the other agencies do not have this problem unless you count Wactor and the like which are abject pariahs in this industry.

>>64154168
>no base salary
>no debut funding
>given a model from the 2019 era
>management cut to the minimum to increase profit margins
>no advertising or support "sink or swim'
>deluge of debuts before and after you kills your hype and splits your income
Also the benefits of being in a corporation? japanese perm autism prevent them from playing half the games western corps play (Phase Connect members are playing Halo)

>>64153838
Well the connotations come from a small subsection obsessed with dramatubers you know the same people that used to say hololive is toxic because of idol culture and they’re essentially on lockdown. Or the weeklong gura will graduate coverage with plans for iron mouse to scoop her. Those aren’t real people stop reading this site and Twitter

>>64153838
>but only Nijisanji is the one with a connotation of being a bad company
Only in the West, and only because for the past year or two, dramafags/antis have been running a campaign to paint that kind of image for casuals to consume.
Does Nijisanji have problems? Yeah, they do, I have a personal list of grievances of questionable actions and statements they have made, especially in regards to the EN branch. But there's a world of difference between constructive criticism that needs to be brought up and the defamation/slander/harassment that dramafags/antis keep pushing. And frankly, I put part of the blame on the fact that a majority of VTuber fans are zoomers who are mentally immature and don't think before they act.

>>64154513
Blame your own organs.

>>64154378
And yet Holo still can't play the hottest game of the year while Niji has had it since day 1

>>64154513
You are supporting the shittiest corporation in the industry. A corporation which puts profits before people. Which is known for the most vile and degenerate content. Basically a deluge of twitch memes, sex jokes, and lowest-common-denominator filth. This content is intended for third world people.

>A corporation which puts profits before people
That's every corporation, if you really think that any other corpo has their talent above profit then I have a bridge to sell to you.

>>64154859
Anon, Hololive pays the girls so much that investors complained about it, demanding less merch cut and lower margins. But Yagoo refused.
Yagoo is also actually reinvesting the profits he made into tech upgrades and improvements to make the company stable into the future while Niji is using the same tech they had in 2019. They can't even pin things to their models, it looks ridiculous

Fresh off the press

>>64154966
I guess Nijisanji DID buy a factory so they can produce more low-quality merch. In fact they seem to shill merch every single chance they get, even though the talents get nothing out of it

>>64153838
>Unplanned breaks
Literally the homos got suspended mid schedule
>Abruptly cancelled under suspicious circumstances
Literally happened once and honestly from the sounds of it, it seems like there's gonna be something to make up for it very soon judging by how everyone was in Japan to record stuff at the same time.
I'll also point out again that hololive literally refused to even attempt to fly en out and refused to provide studio equipment for them at their peak. They're no more or less shady than literally any other Japanese company.

Like we literally watched cover silence and suspend two of their talents for sharing the analytic data. Promote antis from China as moderators in one of their chats and send her to the cuck corner where she wasn't allowed to so much as interact with another member because her antis might leech out into other members chats.
We watched cover attempt to get away with not firing a manager who was sexually harassing a talent until she threatened to lawyer up.

Literally this year towa spoke out about how cover asked her if she wanted to participate in an event and didn't tell her it was a swimsuit event and people like marine were flat out worried about her being upset because of it.

Cover does shady shit too and had nearly 2 and a half years of doing it, only difference is cover managed to shutdown the guy who was spreading dox, anycolor didn't. So sea urchins rely on people like them for news.

>>64154582
>False reports on Vox' literally being doxxed
>gets his channel taken down 10 days later by Niji
>shocked Pikachu face
>WTF I hate Niji now

>>64154859
The question is, how important are talents vs how important are profits in different corpos? Comparison between corpos is how you can see how good a corpo is, what you consider to be above the other doesn't really matter.

>>64154113
I don't think that either matara or kuro have actually said that they're making more. In fact the only person who said that they were making more was a person who's kind of notorious for lying. Like literally the person that people are talking about told everybody to choose going on a vacation to Italy and then when Japanese sirens were heard in the background she privated her video and started deleting any comments that pointed out that she was still in Japan.
And while I don't speak Japanese it sounds from the threat And while I don't speak Japanese it sounds from the And while I don't speak Japanese it sounds like She didn't necessarily claim she was making more just that she made about the same for that one month.

>>64155055
Again, another strike against nijisanji. What's the point of the niji defense force when they can't even properly take down a drama channel. These retards gave these dramawhores second wind with a false copyright strike, something the west actually hates.

>>64154113
>Vreverie, Kawaii, Phase, Avtuber corps, Vspo, Sony
Why do you ignore these corpos? And how much more money should they make? You don’t have any merch numbers

>>64153817
>honestly who gives a fuck.
Every youtuber finding newfound success gives a fuck. The Nijis have tempered their expectations to expect no play button effectively using apathy to mask their sadness. Everyone else gets ecstatic about their first Youtube milestone.

>2%
Merch sales are not voice packs. And even if they got a more generous cut from voice packs, Niji PR absolutely fumbled the deflection to calm the rabid mob from memeing the fuck out of that.

>AR Live, deflect to Hololive
It was handled so hilariously bad, of course people will remember it.

Imagine letting people know not to get their hopes (Kiara) vs Getting everyone's hopes up and then cancelling it (Covid) and then getting Pomu to clarify.

It's marketting 101. Lower expectations and overdeliver, vs higher expections and underdeliver. Though Kiara's sadposting was probably a mistake.


The thing is, and I'm being honest here, Nijisanji EN has built up (or allowed to sink to) such a shitty reputation. They legitimately need a large string of W's and a large and consistent show of extra good will towards their talents to pull the ship up. They've already publically shown that their priority is the shareholders, not the talents.

>But holol-
Hololive does a better job of masking that. They very much outwardly show they care for the talents. Their CEO is a celebrity, and (Probably Chief Creative Director) A-chan has a vtuber model. That's some insane good will built up.

Imagine if all things the same, the Rushia termination happened on NijiEN's watch. Do you think that the fans would have Niji the benefit of the doubt the way they did Hololive (a LOT of hololive fans were still hololive fans after that, they trusted that Rushia really made some contract braking mistakes)? Hell, Zaion's laundry list style termination had fans violently split.

Honestly, I would say no.

>>64154090
Even with 5K members at $5 USD, But only adds up to 25,000 a month, And that's before the YouTube tax of 30% and the corporation tax of 35%. You'd be left with $136,500 at max. Keep in mind that since we know a lot of people in his membership were Chinese, they weren't paying USD.

There's not a chance he made enough through membership, streamlabs and superchats to end up owing 450k USD in taxes

>>64154378
This person doesn’t watch vtubers at all nobody does this. And even the salary hololive gives is incredibly minor and only when demonetized. Debuts are a problem diminishing returns are even happening to hololive

>>64153838
Good points. You can highlight past issues with Niji KR and ID and how they were not treated fairly and left to fend for themselves. However, the question remains: is Nijisanji currently a good company?

>>64155385
>Continued
It was clear at the time of her termination, that not everyone in Hololive liked Rushia.

Notice that nobody badmouthed her on her way out?

Can you say the same about Zaion? When your own genmate cannot wish you farewell, you can't help but think that this <3Ilovemynijifamily<3 is corporate mandated bullshit.

>>64154966
Why do people keep lying about that. They asked for more made to order merch to match anycolor which is what they started doing. The plushies, acrylics, council’s outfit merch, monetizing Hololive summer what are you talking about.

>>64155795
Because it's both. They criticized Yagoo for not adapting to Niji's merch sales tactics, and that the company should follow a more profitable approach like Nijisanji. It was pretty clear as day what the shareholder was pushing.

>>64155479
>Voice packs, ad revenue, sponsored streams,

>>64155962
Reading minds sounds like a neat skill especially over a translated paraphrased transcript

>>64155643
Good may be pushing it, though I don't think they're a bad company. If we do a 1-5 scale, I'd put them at a 3, dropped down from a 4. There's been questionable decisions made this past year that kind of runs counter to them stating how they're looking into the long-term and wanting to reach their 10 year and 20 year anniversaries.

>>64155055

>>64155385
A lot of nijis really don't care about their play buttons because they're not really "earned" only about two people have ever complained in en about it.
>v-voice packs
Again m8, 450k. Half the voice packs don't even sell for $10, and if you only get 50% from them, you're looking at 11k + sales per month of each voice pack in order to even come close to his earnings at the end.

>Don't get your hopes up
Nowhere and I mean nowhere did Kiara ever say that cover explained to her from the very beginning that she was supposed to expect nothing, I agree it was a shitty deal but it's been nearly a full year since it happened and since then there's been countless events in EN including a live 3d performance and several performances in 2d at conventions.
Nijis reputation has largely tanked because of two drama tubers they tried to take down for posting about dox. Literally. There have been so many different events in EN that have received no coverage at all from massive cross company events and tournaments held for suika, the first official subunit being formed with a coordinated outfit release, more physical merch than ever, fully animated shorts being produced, company talents being sent to Japan to do recordings and etc etc.
>But what about zaion!
Nobody and I mean nobody gives a shit about her. Her average stream gets around 500 views and half of them are from /here/. She was friends with doxfags and dramatubers and used them in her favor to gain a small amount of traction but there are a lot of parts of her document that you can question like the fact that everyone kinda stopped talking to her even people she considered friends and she doesn't go into details why, even though at least one of them still thinks positively enough about her to include her in her background and occasionally bring her up on stream when questioned about it, praising her for the things she was good at.

Holo does a better job masking it because Holo took down a doxfag and Niji didn't that's literally it

>>64156131
Fun fact, mysta never did a sponsored stream. He said he made too much money and didn't want to take it from others

The Nijinigger defense force always defends the company to the detriment of their organs. It's sad to see.

>>64156430
Good argument can you say it without seething?

>>64156452
Can you show me where I made an argument? Maybe you should quit crying and read what someone posts before responding.

>>64155762
>Yugo, mysta, nina
Or do they not count for certain reasons? Ever thought that maybe she really was just a cunt? You could use the same lack of apathy towards rushia and sana. They were gone and certain members stopped pretending they were close friends with them when in reality 3-5 years in and certain girls are only just now hanging out. It’s not complicated some people are nice, some are cunts, some just don’t speak

>>64156488
Holy seethe kek

Curious how it's the members of the infamous clique (Enna, Millie, Luca) who will deppthroat Rikku's yatch and defend this piece of shit of a company

>>64156533
Dilate

>>64156398
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0yUO88a9kRc
When I said sponsored streams I meant regular sponsors as well but what you said isn’t a fact it’s a lie. 10 second google search

>>64156528
I'll correct this a bit cuz Mysta was badmouthed before cuz his fans were unironically some of the worst posters on the board.
Nina was disliked by the board cuz she was a political chuuba in the past, but she was met with heartfelt goodbyes from anons and others

>>64156642
Sorry you're right he Rarely took sponsorships because he did make too much. He said it multiple times

>>64156574
>Makes 0 plans to do anything past streaming and making money nothing to be upset about
Kiara vs Fauna, Ina vs Kronii, etc it’s just how it is

>>64156688
The response was other members badmouthing them. Random schizos here don’t count. You can find people that appear in kiara/mori chat trying to anti gura and people in councils chat badmouthing mori let alone what you find here. Random schizo opinions aren’t valid

>>64156884
Oh that's fair

Funny thread on one hand you have people being objective not even using any actual examples from streams just basic knowledge and definitions while the other side is niji bad because… Reminds me of the gura bait threads

>>64156688
My opinion of Nina went on somewhat of a roller coaster. I got filtered by her at first due to her constant use of honey as a phrase then I saw she had a far more interesting taste in games than your average Niji. Then I went back to not liking her when she started aggressively shilling Luxiem. Then I started watching her again when she was playing good games and actually had something interesting to say and that lasted until she graduated.

>>64156372
I care about Sayu because no matter how you slice it Niji did her dirty. Also she easily gets more viewers than half of NijiEN, so does that mean people give less of a shit about them than her?

>>64156452
The Nijinigger defense force always defends the company to the detriment of their organs. It's sad to see.

>>64157425
>while the other side is niji bad because…
Just too many dumb zoomers who don't really care about VTubers, they're just here to take part in some manufactured culture war.

I mean we can meme about 2%, Riku's yacht and ACCELERATE but that only covers Niji on the whole. NijiEN's reputation is almost solely due to the livers being yab machines and just all around unpleasant individuals. Millie herself is at least partially responsible.

>>64158116
NijiEN needed to be WAY more picky with who the picked. And with Westerners, they need more hand-on management. But not only are they not picky enough, but management is spread way too thin, despite Westerners needing to be tard wrangled more often.