/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Hana Macchia

>>64042746
/thread

>>64042746
Was her shit fr fr
What was the context of her audio, she just wanted to shock ppl?

>>64042382
Imagine if Rushia was just a little less crazy

>>64043130
western vtubing retard
>>64042746
she’s definitely up there, Kamiko Kana as well

>>64042382
It's Veibae. Crusing in VShojo getting 10k viewers while playing fucking GOTHIC of all games.
Decides to throw it all away to become a follower to her boyfriend Sodapoppin.
What a shame, 1 of the most unique vtubers in history never followed through.

>>64042382
Kiki the SEA whore scamming people out of money by doing GFE and having a boyfriend and then playing games with her top pay pigs behind her boyfriends and the managements back

>>64042746
The majority of the fault was on Anycolor and honestly there wasn't much she could do to change her fate.

>>64044657
What? She turned down 3d, and didn't grab momentum so she could stick with her ID fellows who were behind on her own. Nobody forced any of that on her, except herself.

>>64042382
why does this yellow cunt always try and co-opt incel lingo?

>>64042382
creating /vt/

>>64045702
Actual sociopathic pickme. destruction and rot follow everywhere she steps

>>64042746
>>64042382
Lumi isn't an anything at any point in time, just a short sighted retard with way too much pride in the fact she has a master's degree (of which I can off-handedly name half a dozen other vtubers who also have master's degrees).

Hana Macchia
Coco's taiwan yab
Hololive waiting an extra year to debut homos then graduating the only two homos who were doing well
Nijien absolutely fumbling their popularity, Vox not knowing whether he wants to be BFE or just a 'bro'
Kana from Tsunderia potentially being a big player from Gura family ties and then blowing it

Small corpos like Tsunderia constantly shitting the bed because they can't have competent management and lack of dramatics despite some talented people etc etc.

All of these are more relevant than lumi ever will be. Even former Cyberlive girls like Alchemilla and Chapipi will soon be more relevant than Lumi lmao.

>>64043269
>western vtubing retard
She's in vshojo now so she's western.

>>64042746
Pfff, that's nothing.

>>64043130
Now that's a good contender, she just had to shut the fuck up and ride the shitstorm until things calmed down, such a blunder.

>>64045937
It makes me happy. I hope justice comes to her some day soon.

>>64042382
Yuni Luna the VTUBER going missing

>>64045937
>>64046090
Go away Menace and Hylo, Lumi is 10x the chuuba you lazy fucks could ever hope to be.

whore

>>64046157
Didnt menace make 40K in one week

>>64046157
>hylo
lol, shes long done with vtubing and moved on to showing off her disgusting fat body naked for money

>>64042382
Is gonna be this whore if she doesn't finish wc3 before xmas.

>>64046309
She’s actually debuting in a new corpo soon. I think it’s called Mythos.

>>64042382

>>64046309
If only that would inspire her to hit the gym and then post her now-hot body.

>>64046324
she already finished it

>>64046324
Not good at videogame please understand.

>>64043269
>kamiko kana
I remember she had a great design by nachomama and then another design by a legendary loli artist, what happened?

>>64046115
Last seen protesting the slaying of breonna taylor at a blm rally in detroit.

>>64045937
>a masters
not really that special, most people I know with one are basically retards who just didn't want to leave academia and stayed on for another 2-3 years

What does bag fumble really mean? Like, due to their actions they lost out on a lot of potential money? Cause Sana is easily #1 for that.

>>64045702
legit annoying. nothing makes me turn off a stream faster than seeing a women try and do this "ironic incel" shit.

>phase faced the exact same mutiny but fishman talked them down
>kawaii not so lucky

>>64046651
I was surprised it took this long for Sana to get mentioned

>>64045937
>Kana from Tsunderia potentially being a big player from Gura family ties and then blowing it
Name a single solitary vtuber that actually got anywhere from such "family ties".

>>64046502
>hates her fans
>has sex with dogs
>damaged tsunderia
>wrote and posted a 200 page furry smut fiction of her fursona
>now debuting for phase

>>64046747
MOZZU'S FAT FUCKING TITTIES!

>>64046860
No.

>>64046869
sounds like she'll fit right in at phase

>>64046869
Jesus Christ it's worse than I could've imagined.
>debuting for phase
another win for team pagpag, they'll love her

>>64046157
lol

>>64042746
I sure fumbled my bag to it, nom sayin

>>64046651
Sana never wanted to seriously be a vtuber in the first place. She just did it to not piss her friend off and quietly went back to what she was doing after her contract was up.

>>64046747
That was completely different. Oce*ne was a evil psycho, and her shitty actions + army of simps using bots to shit things up for everyone disillusioned the rest of the girls with Kawaii's management being competent so they revolted.

>>64046324
Did you say Warcraft 3????? I PICK YOU QUEEN RTS 4CHAN /VTS/ CHAD I PICK YOU!!!!!!

>>64045623
Actually those fellow IDs forced it on her, they absolutely did not want to be in the limelight for whatever fucking reason.

>>64047073
This is complete fan fiction
They lied to their fans directly

>>64046869
When you think about it phase has always needed a white girl furry.

>>64047507
OK Nene.

>>64047537
Excuse me? They’ve had one this whole time.

>>64047776
she’s a dogfucker not a furry, Pippa is a furry

>>64047874
kana fucks dogs too though so the spot is still taken
https://streamable.com/vjx0bq

>>64047874
Neither of those people fuck dogs. Lumi has never even owned a dog. She's allergic to cats and her parents won't get a dog.

>>64047961
and you wonder why nachomama supposedly ghosted her

>>64046860

>>64042746
I see your bet and raise you a riro ron

>>64048110
The world just wasn't ready for her.

>>64048215
The world had 3 years of vshojo, sit down

>>64048025
liar

>>64047537
pippa and lumi... and maybe 2 more but i am not really sure enough.

>>64048363
Pippa is a brony it's not the same as a furry she fucks pastel horses.

>>64047961
average /lig/ chuuba

>>64045937
>graduating the only two homos who were doing well
They were also the two biggest drama whores and liabilities.
Vesper got the first pubically announced suspension in EN

>>64048286
Yeah but none of them were courageous enough to openly propose a cuck harem.

>>64046860
Uto.

>>64047013
What's nuts to me is she could have easily done both. Ina clearly does. Hell stick around long enough and you can just take long breaks and just sell merch / farm supas on return streams. Feels nuts to throw away free money.

>>64046018
>what is vshojo jp

>>64043269
Crazy that Kana is joining Phase.

>>64052601
scraping the bottom of the barrel is all that's left for a degenerate like her

>>64052601
If anyone can tardwrangle her it’s the phase managers

>>64050613
It's a shame this wall all a horrible farce. If they had been serious Sayu may have avoided the entire NIjiEN mess.

>>64051603
Is there anyone even in that now besides Kson?

>>64052702
It's not about her settling for them, its about them hiring her. Who is next, Mel?
>>64052713
I mean the wrangled wonton but Kana is really an entirely different breed of baggage in comparison. I don't know if she can keep up the grift considering she never did before.

>>64052828
yes, Henya. (and Nazuna, even while on hiatus while doing her other shit)

>>64046115
Too based to last...

>>64050805
For some reason, Sana hates Hololive fans. Don't know why. They're very kind to her. But it's *really* important to her, in her non-Hololive persona, to be extremely unkind to them. She's a psycho anti.

>>64048405
Pippa is whatever she thinks will give her some clout

>>64053063
I hate it when people are nice to me too, maybe she's not used to it, considering her working conditions

>>64052861
I didn't know Henya was in it too. I thought Michael Cat had graduated since she got that just-different-enough-to-be-legally-distinct new model.

>>64053158
I think the jp branch is mostly a legal entity for Japanese citizens, and mike didn't graduate as there's no exclusivity clause in her contract.

>>64053063
>Sana hates Hololive fans
Understandable given how a lot can be, but I can't remember anyone really going out of the way to heap shit on her besides "she doesn't stream" which everyone gets. Especially weird with how fondly she's remembered.

>>64047961
Fucking hot, I will akasupah

>>64045937
Master’s degrees are the new GED. It’s not even worth mentioning you have one anymore.

>>64053581
That depends on the field. For over-saturated fields, I would agree.

why do people hate Lumi, I'm only a clipfag when it comes to Phase so I don't know

>>64047073
Oceane is innocent

>>64042382
>biggest bag fumble
For me it's Rushia. No of the other girls have lost THIS much because of their stupidity.

>>64053893
OP specified Western vtubing.

>>64045937
>then graduating the only two homos who were doing well
they graduated themselves not the other way around

>>64053938
Well apparently I can't read.

>>64053861
Some people hate her because of cyberlive drama back in the day, I personally couldn't stand watching her because she has a schtick of "femcel gamer girl who is dumb" which feels real phony when you realize she's just the average attractive girl with a masters degree

>>64053861
When Lumi first started all of her current negative traits were like, cranked up to 11 + the drama with her old agency. I personally think Lumi is great now, but a lot of fags don't.

>>64053861
Shortly after gen 2 of Cyberlive debuted, Lumi was pushing those girls against each other as well as against some first generation girls, feeding them rumors and hearsay that was just bullshit to create disruption. She just seems to be someone who likes to manipulate people, and generally those kinds of people aren't well thought of.

>>64054259
ok hylo lmao

>>64053861
When Cyberlive imploded the talents no longer had to pretend to be nice to each other. Ever been in a workplace dominated by women? Shit is vile, so in women fashion they started spitting venom at each other.
A lot of them are /here/ so you can see them still talking shit about each other.

>>64054798
I work with majority women and they're all chill but probably because they're all old or afraid of conflict, and our boss is like the "head bitch". We truly need a hag agency.

While she isn't hurting by any means, Mori trying to "own the haters" to such a degree that she was even downvoted on Reddit over it. You know, Reddit? The hugbox for the talents? It's hilarious to see. That would be a pretty damn big fumble.

>>64055012
She didn't fumble shit, never did. She's immune to fumbling

HoloEN is still fairly healthy, but I can't help but feel it wouldn't have lagged this far behind JP if only they retained momentum in 2022 by debuting EN3 instead of... two fucking batches of homos.
NijiEN fumbled its bag not even with Luxiem's mistakes, but as early as trying to pass off its Indian branch as EN instead of taking advantage of the EN vtuber craze much earlier and debuting a real EN branch.

>>64055140
She handled that whole situation poorly. That is a fumble, even if it wasn't career ending.

>>64055191
She didn't even take a hit from that

>>64055217
It certainly didn't make her look good.

>>64055152
Continuously pouring money into the failed homobranch really has to be one of the biggest fumbles in vtuber history

>>64054798
That's weird anon, since Chapipi seems quite friendly to every currently active talent from former Cyberlive.... except one..

>>64055277
Are you sure? Lumi and Chip follow each other still.

At this point it feels like no one formerly of Cyberlive cares about the old drama and only retarded dramasisters on /vt/ seem to care.

>>64055415
t. formerly cyberlive

>>64055152
To be fair, it wasn't clear at the time that StarsEN would be a flop with what happened in Niji at the time. But after they saw what happened with the low numbers and revenue, they should have just kept it on life support and focus on better branches. The second gen was a huge fucking mistake.

>>64055415
It's all Vera's fault

>>64046115
but... she has been tweeting lately...

>>64055339
her and lumi squashed their beef a while ago iirc

>>64055481
wait till you hear about the 3rd gen

>>64055415
most of them, yeah
that fat girl still subtweets occasionally

>>64042382
Male Vtubing. The big corporations all went for Edward Cullen when they should have gone for Justin Bieber.

>>64048025
you're supposed to take the jokes seriously

>>64055152
In fairness 2/3rds of NijiIN were just westoids that could speak whatever dog language they speak over there. It may have worked if they didn't look incredibly Indian on top of all of it.

>>64053342
People are only fond of Sana because graduations are treated like funerals and she blatantly lied about why she was quitting. Most of her "fans" that spam sad faces whenever she's mentioned think she Is a literal cripple who had to leave because back hort

>>64046869
>damaged tsunderia

>>64042382
Hiring Kiara over Pomu just because Kiara speaks Japanese

>>64056209
Honestly agreed, I listened to Pomu only for like 5 seconds and I still think she sounds better than chicken

>>64056209
>>64056254
A Holo having a yab like Pomu did would be the final yab. Thank fuck she never joined.

>>64056341
Which one of her yabs? Honestly I'd like to think the holo environment is actually healthy for the girls. Look how much Shiori improved from her debut

>>64056180
don't talk shit about my sheepmouto

>>64056440
Come on now, you know the one.

>>64056440
B

>>64046747
Someone post Oceane's tits

>>64056959
oh THAT, Kiara did worse and nobody bats and eyelid lmao

>>64057213
>Kiara did worse
very debatable

they really are just lab rats to you arent they its temporal keep doubting

>>64042382
qrd on Lumi? What and how did she fumble? I sometimes watch her stream on twitch and she's pretty chill

>>64042382
I don't know about all of history but my answer is Luto from PRISM. She was Pippa before Pippa and was picking up serious momentum. Then she decided to go on constant long breaks and not only killed her momentum but the momentum of the entire organization.

>>64055415
as an adjacent person, I can confirm they all pretty much put it behind them or are trying. except me who still wants revengeance

>>64042382
holoEN. even with all the shilling from youtube, they can't hold a candle to mousey.

>>64058032
is catalog being mean about her botting again ?

>>64058032
you talking about the paraplegic that's constantly associated with some random British guy, practically hanging off his nuts? hard pass

>>64057552
BASED grudgeholder

>>64057552
It's either vengeance or revenge man. Revengeance dropped ten years ago.
Also you're out-womaning some of the most woman women.

>>64058858
>>64059114
yeah. well, I don't want it enough to rock the boat so I stick to just posting on vt once a while. did change the culture of some of the threads and stow seeds of suspicion, though, which is nice in itself.

Despite literally all the yabs nothing is ever going to top that dude whose (girl) avatar failed and showed his face

Not even the face reveal twitter meme was that bad

>>64059793
Do you know what a bag fumble is

>>64054259
Does it still hurt?

>>64055691
>they should have gone for Justin Bieber
So someone universally despised by men and called a fag for years? I think they're doing perfectly fine then

>>64052766
It wasn't a farce, people who applied got a response (some of who are large indies now) and at the end there was a winner.

>>64060412
Yeah I'm sure those men are their main audience

>>64045937
>Coco's taiwan yab
she was still the top donated vtuber on her OG model after graduation. She made more money than ever.

>>64046607
I was considering taking a masters once for that very reason. Then I attended a couple of open days for masters courses and saw the types of people there, and got my own shit together and moved on with my life.
Consequently I have less respect for people with masters degrees than those with a bachelors.

>>64048088
>karubi
she had to grind for years to be where she's at and started from zero on twitch. nacho mama had many children who still who's

>UI mama
taking mamas as example is unfair because the sole purpose of their business is having networking relations with vtubers and companies. also ui is multi talented.

>>64053581
Not in EU.

>>64053861

The yellow whore has committed many crimes

>>64060743
She truly is like a lesser Vei.

90% of posters here don't know what bag fumble is

>>64060708
If it's Science, Masters are just wasting your time.

>>64060486
Men ARE the main audience for streamers in the west.
If anything Hololive should have went for the brotuber route instead of what we got.

>>64060743
Can forgive everything, except making Nasa wait.

>>64061030
Ask yourself if you would've actually watched them if they were brotubers

>>64042382
Stop posting my dead wife, my heart still hurts after she died to the Veibae virus.

>>64060685
>grind for years
and only got popular because of her collabs with mama and later on with several ecelebs.

>multi talented
and only got popular because of her collabs with daughter and later on with other holos.

talent and effort is not enough, there are hundreds of extremely talented and hardworking vsingers who not only sing like professionals, they also dance, compose and play instruments that are not over 50k followers or 2 view.

>>64050613
I dont understand why they willingly damaged their brand, if they were going to nepohire then just nepohire

>>64046860
This is probably the closest answer you'll get, even though she kind of threw her career away from constant yabs
>>64049070

>>64048088
Ui mama was able to get views for her personality and design alone, being Subaru's mama overall isn't even close to the reason she's as big as she is rn.

>>64061603
you're a retard newfag

>>64042382
Being gawr Gura and pissing it all away because your a lazy cunt.

Its both funny and sad how 90% of what this chick is known for is "allegedly" being the downfall of some obscure smol corpo 2 years ago. It's "evil woman this" and "deceptive whore that", and then you click on a stream and it's just another boring twitch Vtuber who shitty attempts to play Warhammer

>>64047537
they already have pippa, and at least two other furries if you count Erina and Lia

>>64061753
>personality and design
massive kek, what a newfag, her original personality its gone, she had to change it for a complete opposite one when she started to get views from subarus and holos collabs; people dont care about her art, in fact most dont even know what project she collaborated on.

>ctrl f "tsunderia"
>only 5 results
FUCK S-TRAIN
FUCK PPP
FUCK YUGIOH

>>64042746
Only real answer. Between the decent model, being the second corpo chuba to speak English, the Mick Gordon buff and being offered a 3D model, it was like the entire universe arranged itself to make her one of the biggest and most respected vtubers on par with gumba and iron aids yet look at her now, not even the most loyal niiji sisters know who she is.

>>64062041
>just another boring twitch Vtuber
>mumei pic
like pottery

>>64053861
>why do people hate Lumi
Lumi makes women seethe, because she's very confident and shamelessly in tune with her femininity. It's something she's proud of and embraces.

It’s hilarious seeing the lumifags flock to this thread to defend their whore. She doesn’t even relate to the question OP is asking, you just saw the Lumi picture and couldn’t stop yourself from jumping in here to whiteknight

>>64066237
If doing the right thing is wrong then i rather be wrong all the time

>>64046309
>>64046426
Worst posts ITT.

>>64046309
Shes already debuting in a new corpo and they even hired moist critikal to narrate their trailer

>>64047248
She beat all of SC2 (on Hard) and pretty much every other /v/ game (hasn't finished Deus Ex yet though). Lemon whore is quickly becoming my favorite streamer.

>>64062810
>people dont care about her art
Holy fuck, at least try. Fucking EOP

>>64067776
>>64045937
>Almost every single member of the now defunct cyberlive is now or about to join in decent sized corpos and are thriving in their current new positions.
That's pretty rare to see, glad they moved onto better things instead of just quitting entirely like most chuubas in failed corpos do.

>>64066085
I was waiting for this post
>they hate her cuz she's too feminine!!!
Always makes me smile

>>64068157
Yeah they actually hated her because she was willing to appeal to her audience and found success doing (a la picrel) so then when everything was falling apart and she volunteered to step up as manager she didn't do a good enough job making a sinking ship not sink and decided to just leave.

>>64068385
fuck me I fucked so many things up

>>64067774
Fat niggers get the rope.

>>64066237
They have a circlejerk discord from whence they swarm out to defend m'lady, but they do so poorly because they're not gigachads (they think they are) but retarded twitchfags with a collective IQ of 89.

>>64053861
She is a textbook psychopath who is only able to think in terms of what she thinks benefits her and will fuck everyone else over in the process, not understanding why this is bad. A fundamentally bad person to have around.

>>64048110
The Riro Ron bag was pre-fumbled before the game even started, we just didn't know it yet.

>>64068784
That one was fumbled when Aviel decided to be extra Jewish and hire his friend as his talent manager

>>64053063
Where did this come from?

>>64068762
>She is a textbook psychopath
whiteknights are pathetic but retards who unironically type out shit like this are somehow even worse

>>64057386
This but Shiki

>What was the biggest bag fumble in the history of western vtubing?
western vtubing

>>64068762
>She is a textbook psychopath
Wasn't psychopathy linked to having high EQ?

I like Lumi, she's funny.

>>64068762
>They have a circlejerk discord
Can someone please tell them that the "ultrafeminine gigastacy" argument is hilarious? Thanks.

>>64042382
Hololive EN
Went from rockstar streamers to 3-5k streamers on an average day

>>64069606
What happened?

>>64069725
How do you not know about the "brap heard around the world"? It affected those around her they never fully recovered after that

>>64070004
Mori destroyed HoloEN and her bathroom

>>64045937
a masters in what though? I'm holding back really hard to not say dick sucking

>>64069419
do not trust

>>64069725

people got out of their house and went to work after covid subsided.

Not just holoEN, nijiEN also died.

Phase also actually managed to steal some of the viewers.

>>64069725
Lackluster second gen
Nonexistent third gen
General disdain towards fans from the first gen
Grass touching
>>64070838
>Phase also actually managed to steal some of the viewers
Wouldn't have happened if they kept wanting to watch Hololive. Also outside of Pippa Phase only really started inclining in the last few months.

>>64068669
That's not what they're called.

>>64069725
Imagine a world where Nintendo did not release the SNES outside of Japan until the mid-90s, and pretty much let everyone else have free reign over the western market.
Of course in that world, everyone else including Sega would have also fucked up the western market, leading to the SNES still being successful despite being years late. But things could have been so much better if everyone didn't fuck it up.

Lumi, I know you're reading this thread. The next time you attempt to sing Christmas carols it had better be fucking JOLLY or I will replace your grandmother.

>>64061179
brotubers gave to be skilled at games to be worth watching. Mang0's vtuber arc was great for example

>>64062041
Lumi's best work is her 1 hour little stage play improv zatsu sessions on Youtube she does like twice a week. Lucy, Lumibelle etc

>>64044657
it was Hana's fault, she should have gathered up and tortured her brabch mates until they started streaming exclusively in English so she could have lifted the whole branch up into dominating the EN scene

>>64073563
Ironically, this is a much more reasonable response than the usual "Trust me bro Hana getting 3D would have changed the course of history" fanfiction I usually see

>>64042746
Still think the "dad" she brought to her streams was a boyfriend at the time
dude sounded way to young and knowledgeable on certain things to genuinely be her dad

>>64062810
not only did she have a strong fanbase jp side prior to working with hololive, 90% of her most viral moments had zero mention of anything hololive at all.
See: her years long spanning clips, her art, and her recent MV being the first ever vtuber song to go full normie viral.

>>64073625
it probably wouldn't have changed the course of history but it certainly would have had a positive impact on NijiID as a whole, and any positive impact has the chance to snowball into growth and success with a little bit of luck

>>64042746
Is it really a fumble if it was done on purpose?

>>64073563
>>64073625
She didn't even drop the ball, the ball got thrown in her court and she didn't even try. She didn't want to try.

>>64052849
>Who is next
Delutaya

>>64052861
Isn't henya north american by birth and grew up there too?

>>64042382
holoEN never getting a foot inside Europe or America.

>>64043121
Orc massage

>>64053581
Idk with a bachelor's degree you can only get so far, I am at 65k rn off a bachelor's in business I am considering going back for a master's, mind you I switch companies every 1-2 years so maybe that's an issue

>>64054023
no, she's an attractive (or at least only has one glaring physical unattractiveness) femcel gamer girl who is dumb and have a masters degree.
it's complicated, but it can somewhat be done. It burdens on her soul probably, but that persona is real and a product of this beautiful world

>>64053581
This, and it's all gen z's fault for lacking ambition too, kinda hard to be impressed by a masters when you have 20 other applicants with a doctorate applying to be burger flippers for your minimum wage franchise.

>>64075015
>or at least only has one glaring physical unattractiveness
What would that be?

>>64075125
she's got a flat ass

>>64075146
I'm not a nigger, so I don't care much about the size of an ass.

>>64042382
HolostarsEN

>>64069339
Wait, not high IQ?

>>64075192
she's tall and has no meat on her bones

>>64075295
yeah, something like that works for me

>>64069419
I like feminine women and she has a nice voice so I like her.

>>64073854
You say that, but this is Anycolor so it's questionable whether it would have made a difference in the end. NijiEN was successful as fuck, and look at the state of it now

>>64075607
Depending on how you look at it Vox either fumbled the bag or he got the bag then dipped with it

>>64075295
Shes not white??? The Russian princess rrats were a lie

>>64075789
She's not white, she's white

>>64075789
>russians
>white

NijiEN gen3+

In the Lazusydia days I had basically droped Holo entirely but the endless hordes of literally who newbies and males and 20 person collabs made the whole branch unwatchable. Luckily Phase is a similar vibe to the old days.

>>64068155
Surprisingly many former Tsunderia members are still around too

>>64068155
seina...

>>64042382
Mori. If she didn't fumble so hard, she could easily be playing arenas.

Nothing will top the Phase girl who cucked her fans at the end of a donothon.

>>64077176
yeah she fumbled the bag so hard that she just hit 100k subs and 4 view status

>>64077263
She had to dip for months so the buzz died down though. She'd be bigger than Pippa by now if she hadn't fucked up there. Not to mention all the wales that left.

>>64077367
>wales
my goodness you're ESL and clueless, what a powerful combination

>>64077367
you don't know what you're talking about or you're just trying to stir up shit. Anyone who thinks PC is for waifufags and GFE is literally a retard.

>>64077421
Mistyped, fuck off.
>>64077425
Phase has some GFE. Rie for example. Apparently Lia used to be GFE as well, until that happened.

Phase is the "I can fix her" gfe.

>>64077263
Lia does deserve her success. Out of all the vtubers I've seen she went from being awkward in streams to finding her own groove and making even her weirdest presentation streams interesting. The 100k mark she hit's probably just the beginning too.

>>64077909
As long as she doesn't play video games and can leech off of other popular Phase girls, she's good to go.

>>64078304
Are you saying Rie is a popular Phaser?

>>64078375
do you not see Pippa and Tenma there?

>>64074384
She's half Japanese and grew up in Japan, living in the US with her dad for a short time.

>>64078483
Are you stupid?

>>64055556
>but... she has been tweeting lately...
I genuinely wonder why? There is literally no point in resurrecting that persona.

>>64078657
Once these kinds of streams start going into 4view territory then that'll show Lia has inclined.

>>64079334
>once the content that Lia rarely ever does and people don’t watch her for has higher CCV then she’ll really be legit
Goalposts successfully moved, excellent work anon.

>>64079451

>>64079506
>>64079451

>>64079677
Isn't it strange that the 4view wasn't the most viewed in the collab?

>>64079784
Yes it’s very strange idolkek. Also you should look at this. >>64079451

>>64079506
It's actually kinda crazy that Lia likers like Lia so much they refuse to watch something that has non-Lia friends in it

>>64055277
Roca follows all but one Cyberlive talent - Lumi

>>64055339
Roca doesn't follow Lumi at all. Chapipi just never unfollowed.

>>64080115
Roca follows Lumi dumbass

>>64080228
and Lumi follows Roca, I don’t know what this retard is talking about

>>64080322
It's one retard samefagging. He types it the same way every time too. Too bad threadreaders never check facts.

>>64077176

What happened at the end

>>64080873
She inclined and is almost at 4view

>>64080873
brought some male va on stream to flirt with

>>64080873
a VA groomer kept bugging Lia to call him on discord, she finally relented and spent 20 awkward minutes talking to the guy, it got so bad towards the end that Tenma had to step in and shut it down because Lia was starting to freak out. She had a breakdown anyway and took a couple weeks off streaming and made some really stupid tweets. It's honestly a miracle she didn't quit, a yab like that would ruin anybody else

Biggest bag fumble I remember is that one dumpling EN girl who was trying to hololarp and had a 5-10 thousand dollar redebut with emotes and music and transitions and everything
and then 4 streams later she accidentally says "my boyfriend" when telling a story and half her audience immediately leaves

>>64081468
Kronii?

>>64081468
Now I remember her, Shirara, the ASS girl who was also one of the ENs who freaked out about Off With Their Heads because she spent all day on twitter whining about hololive and Mori

>>64081369
She's lucky that Phase Connect is the perfect place for cucks to proliferate. She'd be dead in most other small corpo.

>>64081498
This girl, she was called ASS on here because Shi Ra Ra in japanese written in a weird ass font looked like it said ASS and it was on all her branding.

>>64042382
Debuting tempus instead of en3

>>64081906
Hololive debuts their waves way too late but it's at least for a halfway decent reason since they spend months practicing and prepping, Niji and other orgs just hand you a model and throw you out there in a few weeks

>>64081906
Tempus and the other HolostarEN gens were a success no matter what you unicorns seem to think.

>>64081879
Ah yes another vtuber phase picked up

>>64069725
Cover hating hololive while gaslighting the talents that everything is fine.

>>64081724
>>64082192
why does this board seem to think every vtuber fan has a GFE Holo complex and can't just listen to a character shoot the shit without worrying about who is in her pants off camera

>>64082021
>waves

>>64082287
It's not everybody. It's most of the big spenders.

>>64082192
who somehow also achieved 100k subs and semi regular 4 view status

>>64082066
They are massive failures the new ones can't even get 100k subscribers

>>64082066
Compared to hololive?
Sorry but you're just delusional.

>>64082365
if you base it on ROI I guarantee that they have more than made up the cost of debut and the minimal company support provided to them

>>64082066
Actual numbers in corporations are always more than just CCV, no matter what screenshots anons on here post. The fact that they've had several tempus debuts despite the low viewer count means they're doing something good, if not great, for the company.
One interview I remember with some small online coffee company explained it as getting overall views on the company in general helps no matter what. He went on to say that after a big social media debacle involving a tweet from the owner, they lost like 100 monthly members and gained 1200 or so just because people found out they existed from the drama. Granted, this wasn't a vtuber company, but online companies running off monthly backers or patrons all work similar to each other, so I would guess that at the end of the day Tempus and Holostars bring in enough money for them to keep investing in models for them.

>>64082415
Of course compared to hololive they aren’t as successful CCV wise. I’m not holding them to that standard. But relative to the rest of the industry Tempus and HolostarsEN as a whole has been a success, otherwise they wouldn’t have just debuted more of them.

>>64082287
/pcg/ will tell you they don't care about that stuff then melt down over the plapkin plappa arc or the pippa doing "the wrong type of" male collabs just like they melted down over lia when that call happened. Lot of denial in that general but they tend to let it go eventually

>>64082570
raiding antis and seething femanons are not the general, retardchama

>>64042382
when OP fumbled my ball bag as he was sucking me off

>>64082625
And they oddly all left once Phase started more debuts and getting more CCV. I never hear about the named antis anymore like I used to.

>>64082446
What about the starsEN management? they don't share with holoEN anymore that's 4-5 salaries. Also studio time. They are almost certainly still a subsidized branch if you take that into account.

>>64082446
It's not about that goalpost mover. The question was who fumbled the bag the most, not if they made it even with debuting tempus lmao if you have to worry if they made it even then they are definitely failures.
Also "minimal company support" what are you smoking? They get more support than any other vtuber group for they've earned.

>>64081369
>VA
I’d rather walk through a minefield than go there

>>64082625
Yeah the raids didn't start immediately retard, she was crying within minutes of ending that call because you faggots were sending her hate maros don't rewrite history.

>>64070193
KEK this

>>64082693
I got tired of shitposting. I'm still there sometimes, and I'm one of the largest who isn't Henri

It's kind of funny how the entire small corpo scene right now is a continuation of lumi's feud with a cyberlive vs tsunderia proxy war.

>>64082558
>CCV wise
It's not only ccv wise you dipshit
Sub wise
Vod wise
Membership wise
Merch sales wise
Sponsorship wise
Hololive is just way more successfull and popular in every aspect imaginable to the point Cover completely omits holostars in their financial reports.
I was comparing them to hololive because the question was who fumbled the bag the most and it is undoubtedly cover with debuting holostars instead of holo. Why should cover compare themselves to the rest of the industry if they are far ahead of it? Please never become a manager. People like you is what's wrong with this community.

>>64081369
>a VA groomer kept bugging Lia to call him on discord, she finally relented and spent 20 awkward minutes talking to the guy, it got so bad towards the end that Tenma had to step in and shut it down because Lia was starting to freak out.
That isn't what happened. She was laughing and joking with the guy, and had been in communication with him previously because she was wanting to use him as a leg up into being a VA. It was only after he hung up on her (after one last parting shot to her fans) that she paid attention to how said fans were acting and then broke down and blamed her fans (especially in the stupid tweets like you mentioned). Tenma only stepped in and banned the guy from her chat afterward.
This was all for what was supposed to be an ASMR donothon reward.
You can find copies of the stream on youtube if you want to listen but I don't recommend it.

This thread seems to have been taken over by numberfags

>>64082339
stop noticing things

>>64081468
The wonton girl?
>>64082287
Don't be stupid, she was presenting herself as a lonely sad single girl for that GFE bucks and then accidentally revealed it was all a lie.

>>64083269
>Thread about numbers
>hmm why are numberfags here?

>>64083250
>You can find copies of the stream on youtube if you want to listen but I don't recommend it.
unless you're a literal cuckold, that is. It really feels like reading those sections of Ulysses or Ningen Shikkaku.

>>64083250
I always find it funny when these girls expect their viewers to be okay with them flirting with other guys in front of them, and getting angry at said viewers when they leave.
Whether you're a GFE unicorn or a regular viewer, I don't want to watch 2 people of the opposite sex flirting with each other. It's genuine cuckolding and anyone who says otherwise is a closet cuck because no one normal would want to watch that either.
Nuff said

>>64083310
yeah it was her story about wontons and how her boyfriend likes them cooked
the worst part was yeah her entire kayfabe was like lumi in taht she pretended to be a forever alone femcel girl but was just an average attractive woman who wanted a social media following and easy job

>>64083250
Accurate but I do think she started to get pretty uncomfy towards the end of that conversation when he kept mentioning meeting up IRL (again) and going on an adventure instead of streaming. She started talking about being too parasocial for her chat to not stream and generally doing pre-emptive damage control.

Also the blaming her own fans part only came later on with the
>I don't understand internet men
tweet, she was beating herself up for most of the rest of the actual stream and saying she ruined everything. It was pretty sad desu

>>64083385
It's basically a yab thread not a number thread fag

>>64083447
>It was pretty sad desu
>damage control
>sad
Even if it was pretty schizo damage control, it was still damage control. If she was a jp Holo, she could've easily lost everything. Luckily for her she's a westoid with a following that rivals the attitude of deadcucks.

>>64069246
>seething simp

>>64083480
It’s supposed to be about who fumbled the bag, people who had the chance to make it big or have huge success but did something to fuck it up. Retards are talking about Lia for some reason despite her being literally one of the worst possible examples of fumbling the bag

>>64069725
There was a golden moment from 2019-2022 which was spurred by covid which saw hololive become very dominant in the EN market and Omega and the jealousy of retarded japanese managers for whom face is more important than profit completely blew it all up as omega chose to slowwalk gen 2 instead of striking while the iron was hot and then his decision to shit out lots of males allowed rivals to increase their marketshare.

>>64054023
>I personally couldn't stand watching her because she has a schtick... which feels real phony
Why the fuck are (You) here?

>>64083776
>decision to shit out a bunch of males
on the contrary, Hololive was too slow to roll out men in their EN branch and let Niji take most of the good males first
I said it for years that whoever expands to male vtubers first gets all the good ones and will corner the market and the others will play catch up

and it was niji who got vox and the other good ones

>>64045623
I’ve never really understood this, do people think 3D would have actually saved the ID branch or something? At best I think it would have slowed the decline

>>64075789
Only an insecure, seething, projecting burger could look at that image and think "not white"

>>64083905
>>64047354
I'm not sure myself, but it's undeniable that Hana got the ball in her court and refused to act deliberately.

>>64083905
It wouldn’t have propelled them to stardom like some tards think but I think it definitely had the chance to improve the fortunes of that branch. They needed literally anything to get eyes on them and Hana squandered a perfectly good opportunity to make that happen.

>>64083269
I, too, am shocked to see gambling going on in this establishment.

>>64042746
This bitch made me fail this year's NNN

>>64083447
Didn't she tweet something about how people that were upset weren't her real fans? Or was that just that Miilky lewdtuber that fucked up by doing an NTRstream too?
But yeah, it was just damage control. Lia was just using the VA guy and eventually realized it was causing damage to her current position that let her use her fans, so she tried to recover.
She did successfully too, pretty incredible. It was honestly more horribly blatant than what Wontons did, at least to me, but wontons wallowed in her mistake for ages.

>>64083443
Do (You) get upset at random PDA? Oh, wait, that would require leaving the house

>>64084130
She did tweet about that but it got deleted. your memory is correct

>>64061782
she's still getting big dick money by just existing, and at most being hololive's mascot. it remains to be seen if she'll face any real consequences. being able to fuck off and not strean while still making a living is pretty firmly in unfumbled bag territory

>>64084091
Based and true
I still think about "would you rather hear my voice or hear my pussy"

>>64084130
It's almost as if normal, well-adjusted fans don't actually give a shit about this

>>64084171
Ah, okay thank you anon. I thought I had a copy of that tweet saved but was having trouble finding it. Perhaps I'll need to see if I can find another in the archives.

>>64084130
Yeah I forgot that one, it was internet men and that not real fans one. Yeah It's amazing she recovered. She did cut the guy off completely after that, added a new rule to her channel by the next stream about not interrupting with discord calls and also made some jabs about creepy VA's or something iirc. Basically put it all on him and memoryholed it.

I doubt most of the fans that comprise her recent growth even know about the shit in that image, she was smaller then.
>>64084316
Cope, she cut him off ruthlessly BECAUSE people cared.

>>64084358
you can probably find a screencap of it from back then if you try hard enough. I don't give enough of a crap about anything Phase related myself

>>64083480
Every vtuber every agency and every company is a numberfag
Get over yourself

>>64084316
normal well adjusted phase connect fans don't exist

>>64084153
I have no idea what that means but you're right, I don't leave the house
I watch retarded girls using anime models on the internet for entertainment, do you really think I socialize outside?
Either way I'm still not a cuck so but I won't shame you if you enjoy watching/listening to girls flirting with other guys while you stick there with your dick in your hand

>>64084316
>It's almost as if normal, well-adjusted fans don't actually give a shit about this
...The simps that contribute to a donothon for GFE ASMR?

>>64084188
>it remains to be seen if she'll face any real consequences
Has Ayame faced any? She's in the clear as long as she doesn't yab hella hard anon. And even Mori survived such a yab. And even Ame survived such a yab on her very first week.

>>64084400
I wasn't a Lia fan, I just don't like shit getting memory holed or misrepresented.

>>64084554
Ame yabbed on her first week? What was it?

>>64084358
>>64084400
It was “I don’t understand internet men”
and then on her PL twitter account she talked about wanting to kill herself because she always manages to fuck things up and that everybody hates her.

>>64084619
bf leak

>>64084316
normal well adjusted people also don't throw hundreds of dollars at them every month and religious follow every stream, AKA they aren't the target audience or even considered a factor.

>>64084689
Oh really? Guess that explains why she turned on her unicorn fans (I was one)
Do we know if she's single now? I assume so, or she needs the money, because from what I've seen she's been trying to get unicorns back

>>64084171
>>64084358
>>64084400
>>64084666
No, it wasn't the "I don't understand internet men" one, I knew about that one but remembered another one.
I found it, it was this one where she said she didn't feel bad anymore and the people upset aren't her real fans.

>>64084874
He wasn't kidding about it being the first week. That was a long time ago, she got doxxed on /jp/ and deleted everything.
If you want actual dox stuff you're better off just going to a different website for it rather than asking here.

>>64084619
>>64084874
amegeddon was not as clear cut as he is describing and she went out of her way to prove they were not together anymore, talk about it in any more detail and you are going to get a vacation though

>>64084874
>Oh really? Guess that explains why she turned on her unicorn fans (I was one)
never forget, improve yourself

>>64084997
>>64084874
The funniest part of that whole mess was the fact that it both blew over so quickly, and wasn't even a quarter as detrimental to her unicorns as the holostar interactions last year. You can literally have detailed intimate records of a relationship leaked and it still wont be as bad as interacting with a coworker in your company

>>64084997
I already knew about her past self before Holo, what she looks like etc
I didn't actually watch her before Holo and I wasn't active on these boards back during her first year so I didn't know about the bf stuff

>>64085044
It's certainly interesting and I might look in to it more if I get bored. I'm not really sure what the best course of action there would have been but announcing that you are single definitely can't hurt your career as a VTuber lol
Still, though it's new news to me it's old news to her career and since then she has pushed unicorns away and said some bad things about them. So despite me still watching her clips and catching her karaoke I still don't forgive her!

>>64085431
To be fair having a relationship in the past is nothing. It's over, they aren't together, it wont get in the way of her interacting with her fans
Actively getting chummy with a male coworker on stream and borderline cucking your fans as they sit there and watch the two of you being chummy is far worse imo

>>64085383
Does anyone have the collage of girls like Ame and Finana saying improve yourself and do better

>>64083250

>>41578564
>>41584912
>>41584994

>>64055964
She probably DID have a back injury that left her incapacitated for a while, but over time it healed enough that she could go back to working on her art. She probably thought that she could do what Ina did and have Hololive as a 'side-job', but once it became clear that she couldn't keep up with the work, she decided to leave, because her passion always lied with art.

As for the whole "she hates hololive fans!" thing, it's omitting HOW they act 'kind'. They were constantly bringing up her back, telling her not to push herself, and acting like it was far worse than it (currently) is. She even said that 'rumors' could negatively affect her job, because unsurprisingly, contractors aren't going to hire someone if they can't do the job, and someone with a serious back injury probably can't do the job. If you like her art, follow her, but leave the past where it belongs.

>>64042382
Nerine had all the potential in the world plus a relatively large established fanbase and did nothing with any of it

better hope that god steps in

>>64085854
Jesus Christ that is disgusting.

>>64085431
It was how she handled it, same as with Kronii. There is a reason those two get shit on for it to this day while Bae does not.

>>64086131
She should have made the condition clearer to her fans then
I'm not saying she has to divulge everything, or that her fans have a right to know
But when she constantly talks about and uses her back problems to take breaks from streaming labeled as "health breaks" of course her fans are going to assume the worst
Then that assumption is going to spread like wildfire and only get worse the larger a pool it spreads to
If she had come out and announced exactly what it was that was wrong with her from the beginning or even later on, people would not have brought it up so much or made such a big deal out of it

Of course she couldn't do that because if she actually talked about what it was her fans would have known it wasn't serious at all and she was just using it as an excuse to not stream because she didn't like streaming

>>64088063
It's all crossed out for me?

>>64088351
put the posts in the archive I guess

>>64088351
4chanx

>>64088160
Bae somehow got away with being one of the biggest cockwhore homoshills in all of EN
She just does it with nijihomos instead

>>64088657
She didn't put up any airs about not liking men or whatever. She wanted Roberu's dong from the very start

>>64088880
I don’t blame her, Roberu is a very charismatic man. If I was a woman I’d probably want him to fuck me.

>>64088977
Some would even say he is based

>>64060474
You are fucking delusional.
It WAS a farce and they NEVER intended to hire any of the applicants.
They ONLY hire neopotism hires that are friends with all of vshojo already.

>>64054259
Hylo...

>>64089617
Hylo is about to be a huge corpo streamer shes already almost 2k following on twitter pre debut in a new company