/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Is this the new front in the Niji-Vshojo War? Chat speed?

Is this the new front in the Niji-Vshojo War? Chat speed and Botting accusations?

*crickets*

>>63992437
ALL OUT WAR LMAO

I don't know who you are comparing IM to, but we all know IM is not as popular as her fame.

>>63992122
UH OH
reminder that a mousecuck denizen of /#/ has receipts for 3k he spent in bots to own hololive/niji. you're not beating the allegations this time.

>>63992216
rent free

>>63992547
>"All Out War" refers to Cover debuting Tempus ASAP after seeing the success of NijiEN's Luxiem
>People making "All Out War" posts making fun of NijiEN are actually defending Tempus

>>63992437
One single guy trolled the numbers thread so hard that this is their life now. The war is tribalist holofags vs. one guy.

>>63992870
>le one guy

>>63993022
Correct.

>>63993051
Cope

>>63992530
>bump

>>63992870
> go look at the number monkeys
> theyre discussing the Holo NYE event and Pekoras concert
Le epic /#/ boogeyman strikes again

>>63992803
Nobody defends anything, they just make fun of the ridiculousness of that phase.

>>63992437
>accusations
More like proof
I've seen indies with as low as 100 viewers have a faster chat than any of the vshojos

>>63993065
Coping would be something like staring at chat logs all day and gaslighting yourself into thinking that there is a secret ghost website hosting all her streams.

>>63992122
>sees low effort bait
>be a retard
dont know what aia was doing but that is ironmouse attending a sponsored event one shot dnd. is more akin to a vod watchalong.

I can't believe they keep falling through the bait thread.ignore it and this madness will end.please

>>63993279
Imfags care too much about im's numbers for that

Mogging 90% of holoen btw

>>63992870
>trolled
That guy literally spent thousands of dollars botting streams just to get ignored and laughed at

>>63993247
>>sees low effort bait
>>be a retard
Why the hell are you describing your actions in the third person?You couldn't shut up and ignore the obvious bait for a second.

>>63993320
One guy btw

>>63993155
I don't see how it's ridiculous, I would definitely say to my friend "it's like an all out war!" after Cover quickly debuts their first male EN wave right after Luxiem blows up if I were in Niji. If you make fun of it it's because you're defending Tempus by acting like it had nothing to do with Luxiem (or you're a retard who hears "all out war" and thinks it's a slight against the girls of Hololive)

>>63992122
Ironmouse is just like Kizuna Ai.
Small viewer number but everyone know her name.

>>63993379
This is actually weirder cope than saying she's not botting to high hell. If anyone is the EN Kizuna Ai it's Gura

>>63993379
She doesnt exist outside twitch and only the vtubing scene there what the fuck are you talking about

>>63993370
>I don't see how it's ridiculous
Are you blind? That's the stupidest thing I read in this thread.

>>63993505
>ignores the rest of the post

>>63993484
That retard thinks normies know or even give a fuck about her. She will never reach the normalfag audience since 99% of her content is react shit with 0 originality whatsoever
Where is ironmouses ark singing clip? Or literally any korone clip that reached the mainstream?
Doesnt exist and will never exist

>>63993505
Yes, but that's the stupidest thing you could say. How can I ignore that?

>>63992122
>Followers-Only chat

>>63993536
Based

>>63993632
>subscribers-only chat

>>63993536
Yes, but that's the stupidest thing you could say. How can I ignore that?

>>63993634
>>63993662
Based confusion poster

>>63993632
Are you going to continue falling for the bait? Seriously?

>>63993708
>le bait

>>63993370
ALL OUT WAR is just a catchy meme, the real damning stuff in that screenshot was "Council didn't do as well as expected" (which is a hilarious joke in retrospect, Council mogs the fuck out of all nijimales) and "HoloEN technical issues in shambles". If that stuff hadn't been in there, it wouldn't have taken off like it did.

>>63993736
I completely agree. I just like exposing people's retarded logic when they come after Pomu for saying "all out war"

>>63993730
Do you seriously not recognize the most obvious bait in the history of this site? Are we seriously going to continue with this?

>>63993805
>everything i dont like is l bait
>keeps posting

>>63993736
That and nijiniggers thought it was based and are now crying that holofags did start all out war with them

>>63992122
>numberfagging chat speed
how is this mental illness called?

>>63993823
>>everything i dont like is l bait
No, I'm laughing at these threads. I can't believe IM fans keep falling for this

>>63993832
>still doesn't understand what "all out war" means
>accidentally defends Tempus

>>63992216
Kek

>>63993872
What's the matter, isn't this what you wanted?

>>63993837
Noticing a pattern which is actually the opposite of a mental illness

>>63993837
trolling and bait

>>63993863
If you're laughing so much why are you putting so much effort into getting it to stop?

>>63993128
I assume /#/ is like any other general, 90% of the posters just shit post there but that other 10% feels the need to shit all over the catalogue.

>>63993872
>>accidentally defends Tempus
Just because you repeat something a million times doesn't make it true.

>>63993952
The OP repeating this thread a million times seems to indicate otherwise. So keep defending Tempus

>>63993925
compassion, pity and mercy.

>>63993901
>>63993952
I know you're purposefully being retarded, but for any lurkers reading, I'll say it again. "all out war" refers to Cover debuting Tempus ASAP after Luxiem's success. It's not a phrase of superiority, it's just an observation of the fight between Cover and Anycolor

>>63993992
You are the only one mentioning tempiss

>>63993992
So you're an IM fag pretending to be a pomufan?These threads get crazier and crazier

>>63994039
The only retarded person is you if you think repeating it will somehow make the following lines vanish from the collective memory

>>63994039
>I know you're purposefully being retarded
No, I simply don't put myself at your level arguing nonsense.

>>63994083
I don't like NIjisanji or the vast majority of their ""livers"". I'm just defending what Pomu said. We're mostly on the same side

>>63994171
And once again see >>63993736

>>63992122
Cool, so a twitch vtuber with a dead chat destroys everyone? really puts the state of vtubing into a different light huh?

>>63994211
Yes and once again see >>63993789
We're going in circles

>>63993736
It's almost like pure karma.

>>63994214
I didn't understand your point
>>63994243
I don't understand why you continue with this farce

>>63994299
You can't argue with me anymore so you call it a farce?

>>63994243
ALL OUT WAR is just the name given to the entire leak and meme surrounding it, because transcribing the entire thing is too unwieldy. If you wanna blame someone for it blame it on the misfortune of pomu's message being at the very top of the leak

>>63994337
That's fair. I'll still fight the good fight to defend Pomu while letting the rest of Nijisanji take the fall fuck Luca

>>63994331
At no point did I start arguing with you, I refuse.

>>63993128
they know what's going to happen on new years or they're guessing?

>>63994422
they're guessing

>>63994406
So you can't even begin to argue with me? Nice. We probably agree on 90% of things anyways

>>63993632
so she doesn't have any followers?

>>63992122
Every big streamer bots
This has been known since Pokimane did it
The real question is how they don't get caught for it sooner? I know for a fact there are plenty of people who pay for bots and get banned for it

>>63994422
The schedule leaked so yeah they know

>>63994508
Twitch is not like YouTube and has favorites. That is well known.

>>63992870
>one single guy caused the rat cult to sperg out to the point they fell for the simplest of baits

>>63994524
>The schedule leaked
seriously?What is the event like?

>>63994508
if twitch staff likes you the only rules you have to follow are the ones you want to

>>63994611
he is the protagonist

>>63994657
Anon it's the song relay, they already announced it, the only thing that leaked is the song list and participants

>>63994657
Pretty much a concert with a new HoloMedley and Suiseis dancing event to cap it off. Its in their thread. Theyre excited for a reason

>>63994713
ok

>>63994820
nice

>>63994713
> participants
Weve known for weeks that all Holos except Ame are in it. The only thing we know for sure now is the song list and who's in what group song.

>>63994959
Yeah and that's what leaked

>>63992122
Vshojo is owned by Twitch, it's obvious that they're inflating her numbers.

>>63994039
>I know you're purposefully being retarded
>purposefully
No, that's called being a holofag

>>63995396
One guy btw

>>63995396

>>63992122
God I wanna fuck Aia so bad. SHE IS SOOOOOOOOOOO HOT!!!

>>63992122
>explain
Ironmouse's viewer count is an obvious lie if her chat is moving that slowly.

>>63992122
Youtube doesn't post real viewer numbers. I was in Corpse's chat once with several people chatting with her, but Youtube said she had 0 viewers.

Also Aia's great at interacting with chat, but I might be biased since I'm an AiaAdmirer.

>>63995418
One retard btw. I'm fair to you guys and don't just call you holofags

>>63992122
From number of viewers to how fast the chat is going.
You're all fucking retards I hope you get run over by a car. Kill yourselves.

>>63995703
You kept crying, this thread is already the fourth in two days.

>>63995760
How can you get so angry about this?

>>63995703
>he got oneguy'd by "one guy btw"

>>63995807
Okay you're arguing with someone else now, good day my brother and I'll take my leave

>>63995760
>get confronted with proof that something fishy is going on with Ironmouse's channel
>have no answer for it
>seethe
Grim

>>63992122
Why do you keep posting this over and over?

>>63995996
Oh no I'm talking about how ridiculous this thread is. Couldn't talk about the viewership but instead the speed of the chat compared to how many viewers are there.
It's like a new level of a mental disability that I have never seen before.

>>63995679
Oh yeah, forgot that youtube culled their viewers where it doesn't show the actual amount of people in chat. Did they not recently got un-culled or are they still culled?

>>63996186
>seethe intensifies

>>63995996
Reading comprehension reps...

>>63996171
because people kept taking the bait

>>63996241
Who's going to tell you? Youtube? They're not trust worthy.

>>63996358
At least you know they're not inflating, if anything they're deflating

>>63996476
Who cares

>>63995915
KEK

>>63996532
(You)

>>63996171
Because imfags are institutionally incapable of not biting

Forsen's chat with 7k is faster than any Vtuber chat. What is the point here?

>>63996728
The point is imbots

>>63995628
Her chat isn't moving that slowly. This is a bait thread with a highly cherrypicked example from a stream where mouse was invited to a oneshot. It's basically a watchalong chat.

>>63992122
>Aia is used as the standard
kek

>>63992122
Twitch views with a boring non parasocial chuuba vs yt views with an engaging parasocial chuuba

basically you put mouse on because you heard of her but dont really care about her, whereas the other girl people are showing up because they care

>>63997038
they're targeting mouse because she's mogging holoEN

>>63997724
The point still stands that people watch mouse without really caring that much, while people watch other vtubers because they actually care about her and feel some sort of parasocial connection

>>63997724
One guy btw

If vshojo was botting views then Nazuna's viewer numbers wouldn't have fallen off a cliff after her debut and wouldn't have declined so hard.
She was almost down to 3views last time she streamed.

>>63998516
>two people with completely opposite opinions
>randomly says 'one guy'

>>63992122
Bots, it's just that simple.

Do you think that many people watch Vtubers on twitch? Most Indie like using Twitch because they can bot easily without any consequences.

>>63994337
This. I couldn't give 2 shits about the situation but as an outsider I understand what she said is taken out of context, but sums up completely the situation about the shitposting. So yeah, it is war because Niji thought they had an edge on Holo for a second.

>>63993022
Its correct. Multiple threads have had the guy get enough people buttflustered that janny had to come clean him up, and he is usually responsible for 20-40 posts arguing against everyone else in the thread.

Reminder that Ironmouse raised $860,000 in her last subathon, seems like a lot of money for someone nobody watches.
>i-it's her donating to herself! m-money laundering!
Twitch takes half. Nobody would take 50% haircut and willingly lose half a mil to create a big noomber.

>>63999164
the bots were gifting subs

>>63997038
The real element is the average age of the viewership. The average poster in the chat on the left is still in the mirroring stage of brain development, where they are still shocked and surprised that clicking on a stream from their favorite vtuber causes a video of that person to appear. It is similar to a forsen or ninja viewer, a star wars fan, or a sesame street audience. "Wow, i went to watch the movie with the lightsabers, and now there is a lightsaber on screen. This is shocking and unexpected!" They are unable to link the previous action with the current result.

>>63999164
it's obviously embeds!!!111
i just don't have the website where she does it because it hasn't been leaked yet but i'm sure the discord trannies have it!!!111

Its a known fact that a shitload of twitchfags bot
No, twitch will never fix it
They get called out over this every once in a while and people just forget about it the next day

>>63993379
AHAHAHA, What kind of delusion is this, people still know Kizuna Ai despite her recline in number because of her history while people only know Ironmouse recently, no one bring up Ironmouse name in a discussion of relevant OG vtubers

>>63996241
The youtube cull isn't an on or off thing. They tweaked it recently and seemingly lessened it for Na/EU audiences. We've seen a lot of HoloEN and Phase for instance get a bit of a boost in viewership last few weeks

>>63992122
OP
>Holofaggot
>Phasecuck
>Seething 2 views
>Dramanigger
Pick one

>>63999614
Why would they fix it, it makes it seem like they are much bigger than they actually are.

>>63992870
Why are you posting about yourself in the third person IMfag, did your tranny mind finally go full shizo

>>64000038
threadread a little bit. it's a holofag seething because mouse is mogging holoEN.

Oh wait I was wrong, it was actually 200k subs, which is over $1 million.
And she has 9k active subs right now, which means another $500k over the other 9 months of the year.
So for Mouse to be fake, someone has to be spending $1,500,000 annually purely to make her look bigger than she is.

>>64001685
>1 holofag seething because IM is botting
>99 IMfags seething because she's getting called out

>>64001951
>from 200k to 7k
how the mighty have fallen

>>64001951
botted gifted subs

Still waiting for you fags to post all the websites giving mouse thousands of viewers through embeds

>>63992122
>>63993320
>>63997724
>>64001685
from baiting in /#/ to catalogue
how long are you gonna keep doing this

>>64002425
They won't, I already had this discussion with actual numberfags who used to post graphs and data on # and they didn't provide jackshit. It's always the same chat argument which isn't a tangible proof to anything because it influence on too many non constant variables.

>>63992870
dont forget to crosspost all your samefags, one single guy

>>63992122
Chrerrypicking

>>63993995
and yet you still replying. so who is the one who fell foe the so called bait ? or the fact is too scary for you which in denial phase ?

>>63999164
>Subathon
yeah how long is that ? days ? week ?

>>63992870
>Niji Vs vshojo thread
>what about hololive fans???
Trying to associate shitposting with another fanbase is just inciting more of it.

>>63992122
So did anyone explain why Ironmouses chat is slower than the 2view I watch? Is the chat on slow mode or something? It looks clearly botted if that's how fast her chat is. What is the defense?

>>64005832
the defense is that you're mindbroken and she's mogging holoEN

>>63999164
I watch a 2view that had a donothan that raised quite a bit of money, but still she's a 2view. Amount raised doesn't mean that her view count is legitimate, it just means she has some loaded fans

>>63993173
this, it is extremely fucking hard to explain how it is possible someone with like 5-10k viewership gets 3view tier chat (if that) quite often. if you suddenly see super-lively ironmouse chats within a few days we'll know this was real and she or whoever was boosting her responded to it being pointed out. in fact due to that people need to accumulate as much evidence as possible before they try to cover this up and fucking pretend it never happened like utter shitter scammers.

we already know the number it says for CCV on twitch truly can't be trusted because twitch is the total opposite of youtube in that it counts almost-everything as a viewer. you can open the stream in extra tabs and mute them as many times as you want and those are "new viewers", it's a joke actually but twitch wants it like that to make it look like there are more people than there are using the place for advertisers to think it's a bigger platform than it is and pay more because twitch is fucking bankrupt basically and losing money and needs to cheat like that to survive.

>>63992122
> The year is 2029.
> Cover corp. chief fax machine operator and cafeteria lady are getting their 3Ds.
> Nodoka, some intern from the third floor and even Kiara are getting their first sololive concerts.
> Meanwhile, Anycolor Inc. is accelerating even further to keep up with their debut numbers in relation to graduations. New waves are being released every month.
> Due to shortage of applications, Anycolor has dropped the english language requirement from NijiEN application form.
> Riku is featured in Times magazine article as one of the first apartment buyers in Richard Branson's orbital space hotel.
> Pomus first concert appearance is Delayed© again due to new Anycolor talent Makatumba Takeshi from Congo spreading a highly virulent bowel disease in Nijisanji office. Most of NijiEN talents are on hiatus with debilitating diarrhea.
> All out war isn't going very well.

>>64006031
Your 2view raised a million dollars and had 9k active subs/members?

>>64006066
also I just realized, when people talk about the hours watched metric for her that would also be complete bogus if like 80% of that millions of hours watched or whatever was from bots. it's fraud.

>>64006205
Where did I say that?
>>64006066
I will start scraping the chat data now. If there's a thread up later I'll post some comparisons of YouTube chat data.

>>64006066
I didn't know that. Guess I need to keep a couple hundred tabs running for Lap-chan.

>>64006583
>Where did I say that?
Then what are you saying?
Please just address the issue. If Ironmouse's viewers are mostly bots or people with dozens of muted tabs, how is she earning $1.5 million annually between subathons and active subs?
A 2view earning "quite a bit" (amount unspecified) is neither here nor there.

>>64006752
I'm saying my 2view hit a number way higher than I thought she could with her current view count, so to me it's not unreasonable to believe that IM might have a lower view count while still hitting those donations. I couldn't tell you what Ironmouse's view count really is without at least looking at the chat data statistics, but the OP looks extremely sus. She obviously has some viewers, but the actual number seems to be inflated.

>>64005832
Mouse was participating in some gameshow. Aia was doing a chatting stream. Surprisingly, people don't talk much when there's nothing to talk about and do talk when there is something to talk about. Here's the over-a-month-old vods OP used now for some unknown reason https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1964352778?filter=archives&sort=time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9lo2DBHi68

>>64006992
Who was the 2view and what did they make?
Unless it was over $10k, and 2views routinely earn >$10k from subathons/donothons, it doesn't make sense that Mouse is making over a million from hers while having mostly-fake viewers.

The monkey meltdown over Mousey's impending coronation as the vtuber queen continues for a third straight day.

>>64007279
"getting caught and people gawking while her defenders shit their pants trying and failing endlessly to explain it" isn't "seething."

Gunrun buys out Cover when? I know that backpack autist has the money

>>63993370
NIJISEETHESSAY

>>64007369
>getting caught
where?
You posting impotently here won't change a thing, even if your claim was true.
So yeah, you are seething.

>>63993609
>That retard thinks normies know or even give a fuck about her
true
>korone
>mainstream
are you people fucking real

>>63992122
Most twitchfags sleep while watching.

>>63992122
Botting on twitch is a given, even the actual viewers are aware that it's par for course on the platform

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVHOxuFpSdQ
50 viewer chuuba with a chat faster than ironmouses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuoSlJ6UMmU
150 en viewer chuuba with a chat faster than ironmouses

both live right now so you can confirm it yourself

>>63996767
>Cherry picked
>Lia
Should probably stop posting, this is humiliating. No way someone with 50 times the viewership has a chat that slow without bots when twitch is notorious for rapid fire cancer in chat.

>>64008280
Read the op you dense retard, the proof is there. Until you provide proof that it isn't bots you lost

>>64008998
Lmao their chat is lightning fast compared to this >>63992122

>>64009263
You retarded numberfags can't even read. Grim.

>>63992216
Topkek
Depressed nousagifags on suicidewatch

>>64008998
Neither of these are faster than Mouse. They're not even faster than the cherry-picked chat in the OP, and they're certainly not faster than clicking at a random point in an Ironmouse stream. Not to mention stuff like the first one being mostly the same five people posting constantly.
Ironmouse isn't 50-100x faster than these, which is what you'd expect if CCV correlated directly to chat speed, but the most likely explanation is that no such correlation exists.

>>64010035
Mouse has 14 messages a minute. Both of them are way faster than ironmouses, I dont get why you are in denial

>>64010107
Literally anyone can click the picture in the OP and count that there's more than 14 messages, all timestamped. And that's a slow chat even for Mouse. I don't get why you're lying. (Actually I do.)

>>64010274
Oh? Feel free to correct me then. What is the real number?

>>64010326
You are a genius
>intentionally give slightly wrong low number
>shill has to correct it by typing the real low number
I'm going to have to start doing that as well

>>64010326
I don't know and I don't care. Here's a random point in an Ironmouse stream from 9 days ago I clicked on, it has more chat in 15 seconds than either of those small chuubas has in 5 minutes.

>>63993128
>boogeyman
Do numbertrannies really?

>>64007553
Vshojo have way less staffs and members than actual big corpo yet they can't even give them good contract that's why some of their member chose to leave them for better contract with other agency yet you think he can afford to buy out Cover ? Lmao, Cover probably spent more money with them trying to develop HoloEarth alone

>>64010630
He can afford buying Cover because he doesn't overspend on vtuber management.

>>63993320
>>63992122
Can you post with an Isegye stream chat next time?
I think it would be funny.

what are we doing here? why are we attacking someone with a debilitating disease?

just let mouse be

>>64010754
He can even spend less on Vshojo but it won't be enough, not even close

>>64010813
It's not real because *screeching monkey noises*

I wonder what the next cope will be. I think they'll fall back on the "SHE'S FAKING IT!!!!!!!!" crutch

>>64010495
It doesn't matter if IM's chat occasionally looks normal. Find a single YT streamer with 5k views with a chat moving that slowly ever. It will never happen because it literally can't happen.

you know for all the people who defend ironmouse I never see any posts actually praising her

>>64012982
Hard to find any praise from a react streamer
>yo bro did you see her saying "wow" when she reacted to that dog video?
>hell senpai that was real fr fr cap

>>64013023
get wordfiltered phasetard

>>63992122
I thought everyone knew ironmouse was embedding. It’s everywhere on twitch?

>>64013099
You know it's pretty easy to know who is embedding, right?

>>64012824
>it doesnt matter if the facts contradict my narrative, only facts that support me count
Sasuga.

The life of a numberfag must be total misery...

>>64014086
>06:00 wake up, collect scrap metal and food scraps
>12:00 eat garbage boiled in a plastic bag for lunch
>14:00 fix corrugated metal roof (leaking water again)
>15:00 poo in the streets then collect more metal and food scraps
>16:00 sell scrap metal for 50 rupees
>17:00 monitor /r/hololive and link screenshots of people i don't like to my homeboys in /#/ (i dont post there i promise i'm not a redditor)
>18:00 garbage dinner
>19:00 post about how vshowhores and kekson are kek and mog and are ruining vtubing
>20:00 see my oshi started streaming, don't open the stream, just watch the noomber on my favorite noomber site (she's inclining btw)
>21:00 post about how *holoEN member* is ruining vtubing because she said thank you to a holostar on twitter once
>22:00 my oshi won the hecking gold, YEEES TAKE THAT *other fanbase*SHITS/KEKS AHAH GET MOGGERINOED
>23:00 jack off while imagining holostars fucking my oshi
>23:02 go to sleep while hugging my chinese bootleg daki i bought at a con for a mere 20 rupees

>>64014042
If a calculator gives you the correct answer 90% of the time, it's still a broken calculator. Every real calculator will give the correct answer 100% of the time.

>>63992122
Hololive mouse's chats are faster than Twitch mouse's.

>>64014706
It's almost as though chat speed is not as accurate as a calculator.

>>64014812
Then you should be able to find ANY exception from ANY streamer on YT. Just one 5k yt streamer with that approximate chat speed for a minute and I'll accept it.

>>63992122
>followers only chat

>>64014704
>mindbroken
Lmao

>>63992122
The larger the audience, the less you "matter" to the streamer in question. If you're watching somebody with thousands of viewers, it's more because you want to belong to that viewer community and show off how cool you are to that community and less because you're genuinely invested in the streamer themselves.

This is why larger streamers often have slower chats compared to smaller ones - they have a lot of low-investment fans for whom they are second monitor/background content, but who want to demonstrate that they were present for big moments. Contrarily, in a small stream where fans are more likely to directly interact with the streamer, a higher proportion are active and engaged fans.

>these threads are still getting made
Rangeban the rest of SEA immediately.

>>64015571
if you did that where would all the mousechads go that obsess over their queen of EN?

>>64015004
I clicked on a random stream of Selen collabing with Vox that got 7k and found a period where she's getting ~30/min, more than the ~20/min in the OP pic but not by much.
I should be pretty trivial to find examples that match it exactly.

>>63992122
How many days of seething are we on now?

>>63992122
Is this a meme? Last night it was Henya V Mouse, then Matara v Mouse, now Aia v Mouse

>>63993445
>If anyone is the EN Kizuna Ai it's Gura
Maybe in the sense that neither of them stream, sure

>>63993445
For demeanor, i'd give it to Fauna
For vocal talent, i'd give it to literally anyone except IRyS
For attendance, yea definitely Gura

>>64015004
nta but here ya go bud. Sykkuno's latest vod, 8k viewers, same time limit OP used

>>63995260
>Vshojo is owned by Twitch
No they're not

>>64005723
It went on for over a month

>>64015494
>larger streamers often have slower chats
roru, rumao even because this is what cope looks like

>>63998797
Yeah surely that's the reason and not because Twitch the dominant streaming platform in the West

The thousands of streamers on Twitch with 0 or 1 viewers just haven't turned their bots on yet.

>>64016259
That's top chat replay, Youtube has two versions of the chat on VODs because it's retarded
That version might not show all the chat messages, so it's not a good example

>>64012824
>It doesn't matter if IM's chat occasionally looks normal.
Yeah, as long it occasionally slows down so you can record only that part and post it here, right?

>>63992122
I guess that explains why Vei and nyanners have 1/3rd the ccv they have now than they use to as being 10k andies.

>>64016614
Well there goes that cope

>one streamer turned an entire ethnicity into seething retards
I fucking kneel

fame can hurt the soul
captcha: SKYXX0

>#fags seethe Ironmouse's success
>Concoct a conspiracy theory around her numbers
>get btfo with an easy explanation
>insist that their original logic is true
>get btfo with evidence that it's not
>fail to provide any evidence of any of their claims
>copium levels are critical
All this because the name "Ironmouse" has a pink V next to it, and not a blue triangle. Incredible.

>>64016957
Ohnononono sykkubros...

>>64016592
Dunno what to tell you anon, it is an observable phenomenon.

>>64017176
All of this to defend a white collar corpo, this has become legit a cult.

>>64017873
Loyalty to a company, loyalty to a streaming platform. These mfs learned nothing from Snake Eater.

is viewbotting more expensive on youtube than twitch?

>>63999164
Jesus, another subathon? No wonder her chat is dead, she milked them dry. Greedy little grifter

>>64018731
She did like 2 of them, anon. A year apart.

>>64018731
Well thanks to Idol Vshojo is less whorish and the amount of subathons idol has makes Vshojo look less greedier.

>>64018887
Oh, the first one was 2022? Where does the time go, man

>>64015108
Yeah, and Aia's is subscribers only. What now faggot?

>>64015704
Back to their home on facebook

>>63992122
Twitch has always inflated numbers. Streamers on the front page of the website get the views from every person who go to the homepage because it autoplays

>>64022173
Thanks for reminding me that twitch is a joke

>>64022173
There's hundreds of thousands of people streaming on Twitch at any time anon. Nobody gets front paged for every stream

>>64006117
Kek

>>64008754
https://youtu.be/5QVSs6DsMKE?si=OSmEy34wbd2BAJLZ

https://youtu.be/X-Rw3fJmE2Q?si=6-nmxZOI6hs7RxfF

https://youtu.be/vP5-us6VruA?si=JxPARmezusA48Urr

https://youtu.be/SjGdkD8l-uI?si=JsofNO0BcCDvl1Ot

>>64010813
>>64011613

>Only know about ironmouse because people claim she is the biggest vtuber because some random award
>Know JP and EN vtubers because of the random clips and art floating around
I don't even specifically look for vtuber stuff but the only time I see ironmouse discussed in general is when it comes to awards and numbers. Compare that to kizuna ai and holo where their random gameplay clips gained popularity and was spread around.

>>64023487
I have never heard of any of these awards (besides The Game Awards) outside of /here/. I think Mouse is mainly known for her story/condition and her subathons rathers than winning the Streamies once and coming runner-up in a couple more.

>>64024918
Streamer Awards are a fairly new thing, having only been done for two years, they're hosted by a Twitch streamer, and more known in that crowd than outside of it.
The honest truth is that the Internet has a lot of microcosms that are completely ignorant of each other. There's all sorts of popular people out there that just as many people would "who?", so popularity is very subjective.

>>64025210
everything you said is true

>>64022307
Kek

>>63992216
You wish everyone that disagreed with you was brown. Not like that would mean anything.

>>64022826
>bae the 3k ccv shitter

>>64017176
>mindbroken by nunbersfags
Imcucks...

>>64029975
Oneg guy btw

>>64029975
>ccv shitter
at least she's not a bed shitter like IM

>>64030804
One party is mindbroken here and it's definitely the one making these threads every day and creating a conspiracy theory to explain someone's success instead of accepting they're popular.

>>64032077
>he says, as he writes fanfiction about the people who mindbroke him

>>64025210
True, but by how people talk about ironmouse I thought she would be like Kizuna ai, korone, or pekora.
If someone really is big they will spill out to people who consume adjacent materials like games and anime. Kizuna's RE fuck you was the hook that drew me and other people in way back then. Then there are the enormous amount of vtuber art and fan material that any anime fan, video game players, etc will at one point or another stumble upon.
I've never seen anything like that for ironmouse but I see them for hololive and niji without ever looking for them. And that's not even including videos made by clippers yet.
It's just weird because ironmouse is supposedly bigger than hololive's top talents but besides her numbers and the award there is not much out there. Is twitch culture just so different that they don't encourage clippers, fan artists, small game developers, fan projects, etc?

>>63992122
I'm late to this thread, but some weeks ago I made this chart to see if this was true, it was randomly picked and thus cherrypicked. Aia at minute 47 had 67 chats, Ironmouse at timestamp 6:05 had 45 chats, but Ironmouse had better chats/min than Aia.
The important thing here is the absurd numbers Twitch has. A stream with 13.7 times the average CCV and 2.3 times the length, only has 3.3 times the chats. This shows how much inflated Twitch CCV is.

>>63992122
oh no no no we have to deboonk this right NOOOOOWW!!!! VshojoSisters?!.. SISTEEERSS..!? where'd you go...?!??!

>>64034760
I think it would be totally unreasonable to compare Mouse to Kizuna, and probably Peko or Korone as well. I expect she'd tell you the same.
That said there's definitely tons of Mouse clips, I scrolled down and saw several with >1M. The problem is it's mostly Mouse/Connor stuff which the algo has probably learned to not show you. I would go as far as to say Mouse/Connor is bigger than Mouse herself, at least in the clip/fanwork space.
Here's an example of a recent fanwork I thought was pretty well-made, not the kind of thing I'd find on my own but hardly trash,
https://twitter.com/Kmyx4/status/1727668044867006740
And of course it's Mouse/Connor.

>>64035490
Personally I wouldn't compare them but the comparisons were being made so I expected her to be on that level. Also, it looks like she's not really a person who plays games a lot then or isn't known for gaming? Maybe that's why I never see her content.

>>64035076
Bear in mind that Aia has 400 viewers while ironmouse supposedly has over 10 times that

>>64035076
The problem is assuming that chat is a constant variable that increases proportionately to CCV across different channels with widely varying content, culture and chat moderation. It seems obvious to me based on how Twitch and Youtube count viewership that the former will produce higher CCV than the latter, but not by the ratios suggested by chat in Ironmouse's case specifically or really anything close.
Can you show me what tools you're using to measure chat? I'd love to play around with it and see what patterns emerge.

>>64006066
>you can open the stream in extra tabs and mute them as many times as you want and those are "new viewers",
why do people repeat this like it's true? you can go live right now and test that it doesn't work

>>64036380
Anon no matter how you slice it, there is no way in hell a stream with ten times as many viewers has a slower chat. It's one thing if it's like, 2 or 3 times, but 10 times is pure bullshit

>>64036089
Mouse plays plenty of games, spergs in /vsj/ will actually complain constantly about her playing too much games. But what people fixate on and clip most is her interactions with Connor.

>>64035076
Isn't Twitch chat all about emote spamming, redeeming sounds or effects, and other tiddlywink shit? You'd think Mouse's chat would be a mile a minute with all the circus shit available

>>64036527
Did you read the post I'm responding to? Mouse has chat that's 3.3x faster, it's only the cherrypicked section in the OP that's slower. I'd agree that's not what you'd expect, but I don't agree that suggests she only has 3.3x the viewer and the rest are all bots or people with a muted tab playing League.

>>64036734
Actually my bad, correlated for stream length the chat is only slightly faster. But the point stands.

>>64036380
True, based just on this numbers Ironmouse should have 31.5 times the chats of Aia but that would be unreasonable. But still, only having 3.3 times the chats is abnormal.
https://github.com/xenova/chat-downloader
I used this to download the chats, then added a script to take only the timestamps and put that data into excel.

>>64036552
that's the real problem, IMfags are literally a cuck fanbase

>>64036552
Just searched her name on youtube and I see why I never got hooked by her. So many vids about random non gaming things, react content, connor in a bunch of titles, then it led to "Sydney came to gigguk with tears on stream...". It's like switching the channel on the tv and seeing a bunch of reality shows go by.

>>64037136
Cool, thank you. I'd ask you for your scripts too but I think even my shit Python skills are enough to do something like truncate strings.
Anyway, I agree it's abnormal, I just don't think it's satisfactorily explained by Twitch vs. Youtube CCV measurements. For one thing, it's not a even a Twitch issue, it's specifically a Mouse issue. I've attached a random snippet from a Henya stream that was at 6-7k at the time: the entire chat window is flooded with messages in under 3 seconds. It's obviously blowing both of the streams being compared here out of the water.
I'm open to speculating about why that might be, but it's not simply how Twitch counts CCV. I'm also very skeptical it's entirely, or even mostly, because Mouse viewership is manipulated, because Mouse has demonstrated popularity in other numerical and non-numerical ways, like being able to raise shitloads of money and getting top-tier or even winning votes for several write-in awards. There are other factors at work.

>>64035076
And what stream is this anon? Surely you're not still using that DND stream everyone's already mentioned a million times has much lower chat frequency than normal because of the circumstances. Please anon use a normal ass stream if you're going to try and pull this shit to draw a conclusion that makes your side look good.

>>64038041
If you search for ironmouse clips on youtube 90% of the returns will feature Connor in some way, she really does come off as connor's side piece

Can't holomonkeys take one L on the nose? They're like Ohio State fans that can't beat Michigan so they cry about sign stealing only to lose anyway.

>>64039549
>mindbroken by holofags
Imcucks...

>>64039549
Holotroons cant accept the fact that their whores are getting mogged by a little Mouse.

>>63993358
this gif was posted ages ago and then recently resurface again as a response. the greentext refers to OP falling for low effort bait.

>>64040643
you're too obvious

>>64035076
lmao Vshojofags can't explain this, their argument is "collabs and events have a slower chat" kek

Oh shit, real numbers with chat/minute over the course of a stream vs someone with 50x less viewers than fraudmouse drop and it gets REAL quiet up in here
Why is that I wonder...?

>numberfag
>innumerate
such is life

#fags still upset their en whores are getting mogged by a rrat

>>64043083
>>64035076
after this post i think the only person getting mogged is connors wallet kek

>>64041876
No shit anon, I wont write on runes

Once more. With feeling.

>>64034760
People might maybe know doom dog but no one outside of this niche would actually recognize ogey rrat as anything more than than 'generic fotm seasonal cgdct moeblob with confused facial expression'.

>>64043149
Based

I like how one side of the argument is filled with mountains of evidence and the other side is filled with anthills of insults

>>64041996
>>64043748
kek

OK so I've finally updated my chat archiving/parsing script to work with twitch and I have the following data to share. Using the two videos from the OP as shared by >>64007128
Lets start with the baseline of the Niji girl. I don't know what the CCV of this video was, but the number of unique chatters is 476. It's been stated her CCV is around 400, so this tracks. Usually from what I've seen, in lower CCV streams, you will usually get more unique chatters than concurrent viewers. This is because someone might jump in, say one thing, and then leave. When the CCV starts to get higher though, this stops being a thing and usually the number of unique chatters goes below CCV. That's what I've noticed at least.
Continuing on, the overall messages per minute on this video is 35.95, with a max of 41.38. The minimum is 1mpm, which is only interesting because it means that the video never went under 1 message per minute. The average is 1.05MPM.
Now, lets move on to IM's data now that we have a solid baseline to reference. The IM video has 1920 unique chatters, which seems fairly low for someone who's supposed to be in the 10k CCV range. Correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't know her CCV, but I thought she was supposed to be Gura tier for twitch. For example, Gura was able to pull in 4005 chatters in her Uno video which was under an hour. The IM video in question was over six hours, so it's really strange that she wasn't able to pull in very many unique chatters.
The messages per minute were also fairly slow, barely beating out Aia with 52.54. A max of 80.14, min of 1 and average of 1.39. According to this data, she has the same average chat speed as someone with 400 CCV.
Another really interesting data point is that the third top chatter is the bot in her channel, who was spamming donate links throughout the entire stream. That's something I've honestly never seen. This bot made up 4% of all messages in the chatlog.

>>64046107
>third top chatter is the bot
my sides KEK

>OP's retarded bait thread being made for the 10th time gets more (You)s and IPs than anything even remotely worthwhile
SEA, explain

>>64046107
>For example, Gura was able to pull in 4005 chatters in her Uno video
Doesnt that prove the point? Every gura stream is a seasonal event on par with something like a solo concert for another holomem. People will show up to the chat just to post 'i was here'. Even THAT only got 4k unique chatters.

>>64044600
Onje side of the argument is filled with people using literally the exact same VOD for "evidence" over and over and not branching out. You can use literally her very next VOD, a solo Suika stream, if you want to try and get something more normal. Maybe there's a reason people are zeroing in on this ONE specific VOD that, as people have said all along, is slow because it's a DND collab.

>>64046280
why are you asking mouseys viewers to explain anon?

>>64046107
>spamming donate links throughout the entire stream
it was a charity fundraiser, so that figures

>>64046107
>Most frequent chatter is a bot telling people to donate
>It was literally a charity stream
>You would know this if you looked at a single second of the video
Folks, # isn't sending their best.

>>64046107
Need to make a slight correction, I made this a while back so I misunderstood one of the data points. Average MPM is the average between all users, so that's not really that interesting here. The most relevant data point really is the overall MPM, which still in this case is fairly close between these two examples.
>>64046560
Maybe, but the Gura stream was 50 minutes. I was being generous by using that as an example and not one of her streams that was of similar length. The best way to prove that IM is genuine is to compare her to someone else who has similar CCV. I genuinely don't know who the best chuuba to compare her to though because I don't even know her CCV.

>>64046107
why would you choose that stream?

>>64046938
It's the stream they choose every time because it's known to be slow. It's also the one in the OP as you can see by the pinned chat message being the donation link.

>>64047028
why not choose a normal stream?

>>64016598
Yes, bots are not cheap so some of them are not botting yet.

>>64047111
>normal stream
KEK, the cope is unreal

>>64046938
I looked at the streams that were in the OP's image. Do you have another one you'd like me to look at?
>>64046867
>>64046833
Anons, in her last video (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1993134332)) literally the top chatter is her bot with 963 messages. The next highest is at 824. She did manage to gather a lot more unique chatters, 6313, however the stream was 14 hours long so it's not a good data point because I don't know any other chuuba who does streams that long. I would need to compare it to a 14 hour video of a comparable CCV chuuba.

>>64047286
>bot repeats a message every minute or two
>surprised that it has the most chat messages
Are you sure you're cut out for this work anon?

>>64047286
The stream they're highlighting is a rebroadcast of the charity's channel. There's zero interaction with the streamer. You can draw your own conclusions as to why they chose that one.
And yes, the mod bot will be one of, if not the highest chatter in most twitch channels. Streamelements has those stats if you're bothered, it's not remotely abnormal.

>>63992122
Probably got something to do with gravitational pull and magnets and your mom's pussy

>>64023487
Man it's almost as if you're (more than likely) in the corpo/YouTube bubble and therefore have no exposure to Twitch/indie vtubers
Mouse is a superstar of the EN scene. Indies around the world are inspired by her and many cite her as a main reason for them becoming vtubers in the first place.

>>64047286
>the top chatter is her bot with 963 messages
Nigga who among us is sending 964+ messages within a single stream

is there a gas leak wherever OP is wtf is this retardation

>>64048523

Maybe the real problem is that thinking is hard when you've got so much cum in your brain

>>64043748

>>64048096
>Mouse is a superstar of the EN scene
kek, remove her twitch bot views and look at her YT CCV and say that again with a straight face.

as far as I know, Twitch fixed embeds counting. this rolled out november 1st and coincidentally Fextralife's last stream was on october 31st, fextralife being one of the main abusers of embeddings because they ran wikis for every new game.

>>64043083
what is this showing me exactly? that she streamed less?

>>64047739
>The stream they're highlighting is a rebroadcast of the charity's channel
This is a fair point and probably makes it an outlier then. I still think her total unique chatters seems fairly lower than it should be from the couple of videos I've processed. It's hard to really compare it to anything I've seen though because most of her streams are in the 10-12 hour range and most of what I've seen is in the 4-6 hour range.
>And yes, the mod bot will be one of, if not the highest chatter in most twitch channels
This seems a bit strange to me because I would expect chatters to outperform it since it doesn't seem to have a high MPM. I think I need to look at a shorter vod to see how it compares then.
>>64048306
You would be surprised. I've seen it happen, though it's usually on a stream that is an event.
>>64047487
No need to be so hostile anon, I'm only here trying to determine the truth. I haven't looked at this type of data before because nobody on youtube runs bots in their chat.

>>64046107
...Isn't the differential in unique chatters a big deal?
You kinda deflect here to talk about Gura's chat, but there's no reason to assume Mouse and Gura's chats are the same. Focusing on the number of unique chatters already massively decreases the MPM differential that made people suspicious about this stream.
The Ironmouse stream in question had (supposedly) 5k viewers vs. ~400 for Aia. That's about 0.08 viewers on the Aia stream if the Mouse stream had 100 viewers. For chatters, the ratio rises to .24 for each Ironmouse chatter, a 4x increase over the previous ratio. But that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb the way "very similar chat speed despite 10x the views" does, sometimes a smaller and more viewer-interactive stream can drive higher chat engagement. Even if you account for the stream length, you can't assume that infinite amounts of new chatters are going to roll into Aia's streams, if you can produce a 6-hour stream by Aia that reproduces that, I stand corrected.

The sad thing is that Twitch doesn't save vods past a few months, because there's UNO streams by Mouse in 2022 and 2021 that got 10k and 15k respectively, both under two hours. If they still existed you could numberfag Mouse UNO to Gura UNO directly and settle this.

Well then let's do this again shall we?

>>64050244
There is no argument. It's entirely cope. Especially since Twitch disabled autoplaying on embeds on November 15th.

>>64046280
Imcucks are incapable of not responding to numbers bait

You guys are seriously having some grand debate for hours when you could just
a.) Link the website she's allegedly embedding at
or b.) Just look at twitchtracker
Either of these would end it.

>>64051026
>>64051026
>>64051026
Next thread

>>64050089
>The Ironmouse stream in question had (supposedly) 5k viewers
Well if that's true then I don't really see the point in focusing on it. Getting roughly 40% of CCV as unique chatters seems pretty reasonable and not very suspicious at all.
>Even if you account for the stream length, you can't assume that infinite amounts of new chatters are going to roll into Aia's streams, if you can produce a 6-hour stream by Aia that reproduces that, I stand corrected.
I think this is the main issue when looking at her streams, the fact that they go on so long. It looks like most chatters just get worn down and lose their steam over time. It's not very valuable comparing a 6 hour stream to a 2.5 hour stream because there's not much to glean.
If anyone finds any good comparisons to make I'll pull the data, but so far the only thing I've learned from this is that she's unable to keep people chatting her streams for extended periods of time (IE: her stream duration). Which honestly isn't that interesting because I've seem similar data points from Kaela during her longer streams. It seems fairly standard.

>>64052017
>Well if that's true then I don't really see the point in focusing on it. Getting roughly 40% of CCV as unique chatters seems pretty reasonable and not very suspicious at all.
This, as far as I can tell, is the stream in question.
https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse/streams/40428825785
5.3k average, 6.6k max. And I agree, not really suspicious. And low numbers for an Ironmouse stream!

Twitch is irrelevant

>>64052937
that's from over a year ago

>>64052937
Wait wrong year kek.
https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse/streams/42986473147
8k and 10k. A bit more suspicious, maybe more people tuned out. But bots? Embeds? Less sure.