/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>63971414
huh ? explanation ?

yuck!

>>63971484
https://x.com/zachbussey/status/1732204759824671181?s=61&t=6rjoXqhKjrvCs7SKpCk2_w

>>63971484
Koreans can't save vods now and have to pay their ISP's to stream.

>>63971414
Wait what happened???

>>63971414
*slurps*

>>63971637
So. were just too expensive in korea

>>63971640
Cost to run twitch in south korea is ten times more than any other countries and they were taking massive loss in money from it

>>63971665
tldr : Higher ups pushing profit margins again by claiming Koreans has 10x the network fees yet still able to operate in Singapore without any issues

>>63971414
no thanks, we already have all the ones we need

>>63971484
Korean ISPs can charge companies retardedly high fees for using their networks because their laws are stupid and written by cultists.

>>63971820
How the fuck it's expensive in a country with pretty modern infrastructure? Third world countries with shit internet is probably more expensive, but twitch still operate there

MORE KOREAN WOMENM FOR ME

>>63971414
incoming feminist
avoid at all cost

>>63971920
There are also about 1000x times more streamers in Korea than Singapore.

>>63972055
>>63971484
>>63971820
https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2023/12/05/an-update-on-twitch-in-korea/

>Ultimately, the cost to operate Twitch in Korea is prohibitively expensive and we have spent significant effort working to reduce these costs so that we could find a way for the Twitch business to remain in Korea. First, we experimented with a peer-to-peer model for source quality. Then, we adjusted source quality to a maximum of 720p. While we have lowered costs from these efforts, our network fees in Korea are still 10 times more expensive than in most other countries. Twitch has been operating in Korea at a significant loss, and unfortunately there is no pathway forward for our business to run more sustainably in that country.

>To all of our global communities, we want to make it clear that this is a unique situation. Operating costs in Korea are significantly higher than they are in other countries and we have been open about this challenge for some time.

>>63971920
so korea is actually more profitable than singapore and whoever owns twitch just hates money?

fuck koreans

>>63971414
They're probably going to Afreeca. The Korean streaming website that ISPs are forcing.

>>63972055
Twitch is already in the negative where streaming costs are considered, iirc. Amplified costs of operation foreignly with this in mind will always kill a company’s fringes faster than the domestic one.

>>63971414
how can any other streaming service exist in korea if this was true? Is twitch stupid?

>>63972621
>country run by cultists moves all their digital media to Afreeca
wtf bnwo is real and you faggots convinced me it was a /pol/ thing

>>63972708
they exist by being peer to peer

>>63972708
By doing "strategic" partnerships. Meaning "fuck you, pay me"
https://about.netflix.com/en/news/sk-telecom-sk-broadband-and-netflix-establish-strategic-partnership-to

>>63972620
I'm trying to

>>63972621
Does Afreeca even allow chuubas to begin with?

>>63971414
Reminder there is a >>>/vt//kr/ general

>>63972543
>our network fees in Korea are still 10 times more expensive than in most other countries
I imagined a country so small and technology advanced like Korea would have internet at really low cost. If I recall correctly they were the first to adopt 5G

>>63972922
dunno about them but why'd they not?

>>63973069
it is low-cost, for native companies. Foreigners are getting fleeced

>>63971414
Lets Fucking Gooooo

>>63972032
Ah, peak Asian autism

>>63972780
>>63972784
Then what about youtube streaming, its not peer-to-peer, then are they in some sk telecom branding deal or something? Is youtube operating in korea at a loss as well and they can just take losses?

>>63973154
Hmmm sounds a lot like another country that's near them

>>63972032
Feminist cultists.

Starting with a 2016 amendment to Korea's Telecommunications Business Act (TBA), same-tier ISPs (of comparable size) have had to compensate each other based on the volume of traffic they exchange under a sending-party-network-pays policy (SPNP). In turn, consumers' ISPs regularly pass these costs on to providers of online content like Netflix, and thus their customers through higher prices.

This payment scheme effectively penalizes high traffic volume, since it assesses fees based on the volume of data being transmitted, so it disincentivizes large content providers from positioning themselves in a content chain that ends in South Korea. This process creates inefficient traffic flows that the government has tried to ameliorate by mandating large content providers to ensure stable services. It has also increased the costs of doing business: 2021 internet transit prices in Seoul far exceeded those in Paris and New York.

>>63973378
they're paying up
the difference with youtube is that it's not primarily a streaming site and as a video hosting site it doesn't really have local competition on the same level so sticking around to continue dominating is worthwhile

>>63973378
Youtube is under Google / Alphabet, who are way bigger than Twitch and are more willing to operate at a lost to maintain their foothold if necessary
YT being a lot more popular than Twitch in KR helps, to.

>>63971838
goddamn, that sucks. I knew a few good fighting game players in South Korea that occasionally stream on twitch, I guess they're migrating to youtube?

>>63971414
Remember the net neutrality shit a while back that the big telecom companies and lord Ajit were trying to rollback a few years ago? If they succeeded we would also have those kinds of bullshit inflated costs that make a global service pull out of a country.

it does not cost korean ISPs a special amount of money or bandwidth to carry streaming data, they just were legally allowed to try and fleece the shit out of foreign competition so they did.

>>63974486
sounds like you're forgetting twitch is under Amazon

>>63974486
Twitch isn't some low capital startup company, it's part of Bezos empire. Surely Lex Luthor can afford to take the hit but likely chose not to.

DONA IS MINE YES
AHAHAHAHA YOU LOSE KOREA

>>63973154
Uhh based

>>63974503
Or kick. I can see Kick making a push for s.korea streamers to migrate over.

>>63973378
Circumstances are different enough that its worth it for Google. They still want to sell ads as well as continue search monopoly, Youtube is just extra on the side.

>>63971414
Ayame... why...

>>63975038
isnt kick is based on amazon service too?

>>63974486
Twitch is under Amazon which is arguably bigger than Google

You know all those nightmare scenarios people have made up for US ISPs? And how some isp's have tried to push insane laws?
All that shit has actually happened in South Korea.

>>63975209
No, it's owned by a gambling den. It's set to directly compete with Twitch.

>>63975209
Kick uses aws servers, but isn’t owned by amazon like twitch.

TOTAL VTWITCHER DEATH

>>63975133
"Ayame" would want them to transfer to Twitch not the other way around dumbass

whats stopping them from just streaming with an vpn?

>>63975246
Bet he's so proud of South Korea right now

>>63974536
>>63975246
Good read if you want to learn more
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/network-usage-fees-will-harm-european-consumers-and-businesses

>>63972055
>Third world countries with shit internet
stop projecting ameritard, every single third world country has better internet than you guys.

>>63975246
South Korea is a legit Cyberpunk Dystopia

>>63975486
This is true
t. lives in a 3rd world shithole and has fiber optic

>>63975362
Probably nothing
The site might even be available to Koreans still, the issue is that any Twitch business, such as the affiliate and partner programs, cannot be conducted
So if you're a streamer in Korea and want to monetize your Twitch stream, either it's impossible or a significant hassle

>>63971414
Stellive and isegye too?

>>63974038
Sure, youtube is bigger they might afford the cost, but that doesnt mean they turn a profit. And 10x the operating cost is too much to just "let operate" in the long run. Are you saying they run at a loss too? As you've stated they continue to dominate the area, but high traffic volume is penalized by their payment scheme, I dont see how dominating the area is an argument that helps in this case.

To me it just seems like Twitch is incapable of managing this correctly.

There's rumours swirling from reliable members on Discord that Cover is preparing to announce HoloKR at 5th Fes, but with 3 established vtubers who are keeping their own avatars (essentially a "gen 0").

hopefully all the new traffic will convince youtube to
FUCKING
FIX
THEIR
STREAMING
SHIT

Where do i go for korean booba dance now?

>>63975565
That is unless Youtube will make a similar move against Korean creators in the near future, which I highly doubt.

>>63975754
lol
lmao

>>63975754
lmao good luck.
>Buys out Ludwig and big OTV+ streamers
>Proceeds to do nothing with their streaming platform
Truly baffling what they're doing.

>>63971414
Good opportunity for Hololive. This will cause a lot of disruption for the major KR corpos until they settle on a new streaming site, so it's a golden opportunity to carve into the market. Only question is whether or not Hololive will take the shot.

>>63975754
Uh what did you say? Spend more coding effort on fighting against adblockers? Gotcha

>>63975330
ayame want to be on twitch, so that's why she get rid of them

>>63971414
Does that include North Korean ones?

>>63975565
it's not like we're privy to real numbers, but twitch is unprofitable in every area and with the kinds of volume youtube is operating with, I would expect it to also have been be unprofitable for its entire existence, yes
being willing to stomach losses in exchange for growth/market share is nothing new in tech, and google is well past the point of having investors pushing them to make every project profitable

>>63971414
Will Best Korea be coming?

>>63972847
kek

>>63976400
No, because only Kim Jong Un enjoys the service

>>63974975
>mmm protectionism is... la based?
you don't know what you are wishing for

so isegye and stellalive will either come to youtube or go to their local nico nico or kick but that seems unlikely.
youtube is a better move as holo is likely making holokr next year, if they are on the same platform when that happens they will get overseas exposure lets see what they do.

>>63975754
likely no they are more interested in shorts/verticle livestreams they probably arnt touching live for few years.
ofcourse this can change i hope it does.

They're all moving to AfreecaTV.

Where does this holo KR meme come from, there's no market for vtubers in SK and all the big streamers, stream on twitch, not youtube.

>>63976862
Where there's smoke, there's fire. It's all over discord rn

>>63971414
Now do the same thing on YouTube for Indonesia.

>>63972674
>Twitch is already in the negative where streaming costs are considered
That might be true but there is a lot of political corruption in Korea and Twitch isn't willing to take a huge financial loss just to keep their service running in that country.

>>63974838
I remember at some inquiry, Bezos was asked about Twitch and very clearly had no idea what it was. He doesn't give a shit about Twitch, it's not a passion project, Amazon isn't going to lose money to run Twitch in Korea. Korea has its own streaming websites, and Twitch didn't have a big enough market share over them to make it worthwhile to stay.

>>63975858
Weren't youtube planned to gather some feedbacks from those streamers as well? All we get was the redirect/raid feature.

>>63977704
Too busy trying to stop adblockers from working

>>63975754
Anon, they'll go to AfreecaTV
some even streamed their making their accounts there

>>63972055
I'm assuming it's more the legal or administrative costs.

>>63971414
Already are?

The notion that more traffic=more cost so the ISP is fundamentally bullshit and its that ignorance that lets those companies get away with bullshit.

>>63972055
>>63975486
Capitalism and the """"""Free""""""" Market at work ensuring the CEOs and the Board make mountains of money while fucking over everyone else! Don't mind the industry wide collusion to fuck over the consumer
After all when you have monopolies and can kill competition you can force shit product on people as well there's no alternatives

>>63978189
No, ISPs are actually just fleecing them by having insane costs for transmitting data

>NO IT'S NOT FAIR TWITCH/ISPS SHOULD PAY MORE SO I CAN WATCH MORE SLOP
damn zoomers are in a rude awakening now that interest rates are back up.

A lot of tech companies that could operate at a loss are going to be culled. and no lmao operating fees aren't the reason. they will be cutting cost everywhere

>>63971414
that'll make it a lot harder for them to bot

>>63978747
shut the fuck up you little bootlicking faggot retard

>>63977862
Afreeca is dogshit, nobody big streams there anymore

>>63978467
Holy fuck, go back to your bunker

Come to bilibili.

>>63979855
unironically though
low interest rates during the recovery from the 2008 recession have lasted so long that the entire tech startup space took place during it and covid killed off attempts to get things back to normal
and now that they're not 0% you see cost cutting all over the place and entire industries shutting down

>>63974838
Twitch is insanely unprofitable and already loses millions for Amazon every year. They're not in a position to spend frivolously

>>63974620
>>63974838
>>63975223
>Alphabet not bigger than Amazon
>Runs YT at a loss for a decade+
>Amazon immediately folds Korea when they lose money

>>63978467
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVxXctUdVfU

>>63978993
The bots aren't from South Korea

>>63971414
yippee more korean cunny

>>63980165
>the most ad infested and monetized streaming site loses money every year
how is twitch so incompetent? not even websites like huya or douyu are this dogshit.

please no, just go to bilibili i don't want koreans in my japanese vtuber space

>>63981744
advertisers pay less to advertise on twitch because they don't want twitch audience

>>63981744
trying to monetize an field that has a cultural norm of the product being free is difficult
what obvious ways are there of monetizing the business further? they already play a ton of ads and have subscriptions and sell merch and despite all this, they still get criticized for being greedy when their millionaire .0001% of content creators renegotiate their contracts and complain about getting a slimmer slice of the pie
fundamentally, the 95% of channels that never get past single digit viewership are just money sinks to serve traffic for, but twitch also can't grow if they restrict their service for only big streamers
the whole business model in reality has never made sense as long as viewers weren't going to eventually pay for it like cable

this isn't unique to twitch anyway, Uber and Lyft have been in business a combined 25 years and lost money during 25 of those years, for example

>>63980703
>YUM YUM CORPORATE BOOT TASTES SO GOOD!

But isn't that like racist?

I LOVE DONA AND HER FAT TITTIES

>>63975858
>Buys out big OTV+ streamers
>puts them on a bigger ocean
i fucking wish, no more of that react garbage on Twitch and it clears their own contaminated pool of shit

>>63975246
Isn't that literally everything in South Korea? Every time I hear some controversy coming out of SK it's always some insane shit a western internet schizo would have wet dreams about.

So is this a good opportunity to get a Korean wife? Find some 2 view Korean girl on Twitch and offer to get her a green card to the US to stream on Twitch US and marry her

>>63971920
fucking idiot. Korea is the only country who's ISPs charge the website you're visiting for the connection as well as you, the customer.
Just like "fan death" and trying to emulate black people, Koreans are fucking retarded.

>>63982069
Yeah an ad in the middle of someone's stream would likely make twitch viewers hate your product

>>63985451
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/BusyEagerGullRaccAttack-acT7oW2ousWiGSZx

Here anon.

>>63975410
AHAHA I forgot about this fagg. Is he still in office?

>>63973378
If Korea didn't make exceptions for Google, they'd pull android out of Korea and Samsung would disintegrate. Google has Korea by the balls.
This entire system is retarded though, no other ISPs on the planet try and charge their user's destination for internet traffic.

>>63972055
It’s cheaper in third world countries unless they’re run by a kleptocracy

>>63971414
Depends on who they stream to.
Youtube isn't popular in Korea.
So if a streamer streams mostly to Koreans, they'll move to Afreeca. If they stream to non-Koreans then they'll probably stream on Youtube.

>>63985587
Fuck I gotta get in on this shit now then. I also inherited my dad's 5 bedroom house last year so maybe I can have my own Korean streamer girl harem

>>63972784
Net neutrality needs to come back ASAP and in other countries too

I didn't even know what platform koreans were on because I have no interest in their content.
>Twitch
I just found out why.

>>63976862
>and all the big streamers, stream on twitch, not youtube.
uhhhh... anon?
>>63971414

>>63985690
>charge their user's destination for internet traffic
How does it work? If I make a website and some Korean connects to it, I'm gonna get a letter written in gook next month?

>>63971414
Or graduating.

>>63985963
If you get enough of them, then yeah. That's the entire point.
They'll tell you that they're going to shut off all your customers' access to your services unless you come make a deal and agree to pay for your customers' traffic to your site. It's literally a racket.

>>63981744
following up on this, i looked at the chinese sites' financials
huya's not profitable
douyu is barely in the green for a couple of quarters on the back of belt tightening and low growth
the inverse relationship between userbase growth and spend is always going to be there for businesses like these

>>63986198
I'm surprised anyone's willing to put up with it. I guess in most cases Koreans actually generate enough money to cover the racket and still earn the profit or they just bribe their Ministry of Censorship. Or go the Twitch route.

South Korea is a country where USA does social experiments.UK does the same in Canada

>>63986505
It actually explains some things.

>>63986505
Makes sense, without US support SK would be fucked

>>63971414
Brainlet here. Do sites have to pay ISPs? I thought it was ISPs the ones that made money by giving people access to sites.

>>63987496
>>63986198
it's literally a few posts above

This is not exactly the way I was hoping Alice Mana would come back to Youtube proper.
I'll take it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e_2AutE6iw
I miss her comfy horror streams she used to do regularly.

>>63973154
why is youtube not getting affected by it then? it's also a foreign company

>>63987790
Google likely installed CDNs in there years ago
Or they are absorbing the cost.
More than likely the CDN route like they did in most major media heavy countries - the CDN route means they have 100% control of their costs up to the point it enters the ISPs buildings.

>>63972032
Gook femnazi sure is something else

>>63972922
yes but it's significantly smaller there

>>63987790
>>63985690

>>63974620
Amazon doesn't even operate in Korea for a number of reasons, their foothold in the country amounts to being a dropshipper for things sold by them from the US through a smaller domestic online store.

>>63985451
I did the low-to-high sort and dug up a bilingual 2view who was living overseas, just in time to hear her explain that even even if she stayed overseas all her Korean-speaking viewers would go to other platforms and she'd lose 80% of her viewers.

>>63987846
A CDN doesn't matter. The traffic would still have to be routed through the ISPs to the customer. The ISPs would know where the traffic is coming from and charge Google accordingly.
It's much more likely that Google/Alphabet has some kind of deal with the government or ISPs. There's a lot of corruption in Korea so it wouldn't surprise me if there are a ton of shady dealings going on, but at the end of the day, if Google didn't want to pay, they'd be stupid to try and force it.
Not even Koreans are stupid enough to think they could function at the international level without Google and Android.

If Jeff Bezos stops caring about Twitch, even Twitch USA will be in jeopardy.

>>63988403
Oh wait, are they charging it in that way as well?
lol, holy fuck Korea.
Even America isn't that level of scummy.

>>63984713
Korea is like a parody of all the worst parts of eastern and western culture.

>lower birth rates and higher suicide rates than even Japan and China
>pornography is illegal
>unironic feminazi cultists and peak incels locked in a cold war
>hyper-fixation on appearances resulting in endemic plastic surgery
>schooling is 200% cram, kids are effectively in school from dawn to dusk (often later, actually)
>salaryman work culture on par with Japan
>mandatory military service that comes with pervasive bullying

>>63985615
No, he works for a private equity firm (of course) after being fired by Biden

Youtube always wins baby. Also Koreans are actually the #1 vtubers on twitch right now. Numbermonkeys conveniently ignore that fact to push vshojo as #1 when that couldn't be further from the truth

>>63975486
>every single third world country
I highly doubt the rebel occupied parts of Columbia have better internet, for example. The Central African Republic seems pretty fucked.
Cuba's looks pretty damn bad too. North Korea doesn't even have internet, just their intranet. But maybe would call them second world if using classic definitions, but regardless.
And for first world, Australia is worse. Notoriously worse.

>>63988862
Watching a korean streamer right now and he said youtube had to cut some stuff for them too like twitch was doing to lower cost. We might see youtube pull out in the future.

>>63971414
Good I have an unhealthy love for korean women but don't watch twitch

There's a 4view Korean vtuber streaming on Kick right now. Does Kick make enough money off of gambling to tank x10 higher network fees in Korea?

>>63985451
Shut the FUCK UP Yunna.

this was a huge thing when it was announced and i'm not at all surprised that it's already destroying smaller online communities

korea is a dystopian gook shithole and their internet rules and regulations make other places like australia and america look like the fucking wild west. you can't even post on a korean messageboard without having to submit your real life personal data

>>63989609
I caught some bits of a Korean military police drama my mother watched and they were talking about pulling people's internet info like it was nothing. Barely even needed a warrant. Shit creeped me out.

>>63989609
1. South Korea is currently a military state.
2. Korea is currently under a state of truce
3. Korea's Internet environment was developed for the military.

>>63988958
Google ran Youtube at a loss (hell still do) for damn near its whole lifetime purely to spite other companies trying to make sites.
I don't see them backing down now.
In fact I see them taking advantage of it by reaching out and advertising. If they don't do that, they'd be even more retarded than I thought.

>>63989825
south korea is an interracial breeding grounds for american military personnel

>>63987724
Wait, was she active the entire time? Been missing her asmr streams and was wondering what happened.

Holy shit Korea is literally 2077

i have mixed feelings about this

korea is such an exploitive hellhole but i wont defend amerimutt tech giants like twitchniggers

>>63990301
Yeah, she was streaming on Twitch the entire time.
I've seen her on there for like, 8 hour streams before fairly regularly. Half the time I only noticed she was streaming when I checked my gmail.
Seems recently she nuked some of the very few archives she actually kept up, she mostly never archived streams.

>>63987724
She should stream on bilibili.

>>63990007
mutt infection explains the flatline birthrate

>>63990007
Damn, imagine getting paid to sit on a border and fuck curvy Korean bitches.

Is there something wrong with Korea deciding to tax the fuck out of foreign companies to support local companies or am I just too retarded t o understand?

>>63993419
It mostly depends on which side of the fence you're caught on, but the bigger issue in this case is that there's no reason why twitch has to pay money to Korean isps to get them to carry their data.

>>63993419
Korea is controlled by these companies aka chaebol
It's fucked

>>63993419
You're retarded. Korean streaming services were offering a terrible product that couldn't compete with twitch/youtube/netflix so instead of trying to improve their service they just lobbied to get rid of foreign competition.

>>63989102
I can't believe Kick still fucking exists, people actually use it????

>>63993419
Yes.
Korea hate and don't believe in Net Neutrality.

>>63993722
Net Neutrality is a really fucking shitty name for such an important concept

>>63988845
Ah, Well at least he's out of government. You know, Biden might be senile but he's a decent guy I think

>>63972543
Damn if that's true then gotta give em credit they really tried but gook cultist politicians are retarded I guess.

>>63971414
>no more damn-near porn streams on korean twitch
what are koreans gonna do?

>>63998077
Near porn streams on youtube

>>63973378
>>63985690
>Google has Korea by the balls
*Google has everyone by the balls

lost count on how many times copyright associations have tried to blackmail youtube for more money, which was followed by youtube pulling the plug on them.

and suddenly previously agreed values were fine for another few years

>>63997996
But it let's Domestic Streaming site get more Traffic! Except that no one outside Korea gives a fuck about it.
Kinda like BiliBili is utterly irrelevant outside China

>>63993693
Ahh so American Auto Industry in a nutshell.

>>64001656
>Ahh so American Auto Industry in a nutshell.
Yep, that and a million other industries in many nations. It's the basics of shitty management and crony capitalism
>my company or management is so shit I cannot compete
>should I improve my product? offer a better service? fire the retarded middle managers? wrangle the committees?
>no, I should tell my politician friend to bend the rules so I get money selling a mediocre product while new companies get fucked in the ass
>damn I love monopolies

>>64001925
Although it looks like K-Streaming won't get the benefit of the multigeneration propaganda effort ensure people will buy shit product like Big Three in Detroit has put over on the Americans.

>>64002305
yeah but it's the same on principle.
In my country Spain, they are also trying to do shit like this and also add a huge "streamer license" and special tax to "put them on equal grounds with television", specially state funded regional TVs.
Because state TV is fucking garbage and/or propaganda and keeps losing viewers. But some washed politicians and their friends get cozy jobs in there, can't let people get away from the tax funded money sinks. Why improve? just fuck over the services that are better than what you offer!

>>63999906
I will make her a mother of 5

>>63983160

>>63971414
Good, twitch is garbage.

>>64001925
>>64002305
>>64001656
>American Auto Industry in a nutshell
I'm no fan of the auto industry, but isn't toyota the highest selling cars in the US right now? We also have tons of German cars and even some Korean brands like Kia.
What we don't have or allow are chinese shitmobiles, so unless you're talking about dongfeng crap or something, I'm not sure what you mean. The US car industry is pretty competitive considering we have the highest cars per capita in world for large countries.

>>63975858
>doesn't cater to zoomer adhd twitch retard chat
Truly the best platform.

>>63993709
Kick numbers are artificially inflated by as much as 20x. No, no one actually uses it.

>>63975038
I don't see how kick will dodge the peering problems if twitch couldn't.
This isn't just for funsies, the ISPs don't want to play ball with foreign streaming services.

I like afreecatv. Searching for sexy girls shaking their hips and bouncing their tits is extremely simple. I have been building quite the collection off that site.

Naver announced they're launching a games-focused streaming platform in 2024 that is essentially just Twitch but Korean, coincidentally at the same time that this is happening, so they're probably going to try getting people to move to that.

nuh uh.

>>63975647
PLEASE BE TRUE PLEASE BE TRUE
I LOVE KOREAN WOMEN
WE NEED MORE KOREAN WOMEN IN HOLOLIVE

Guys i found my first kr vtuber on youtube

>>63971484
FUCK KOREANS

>>64008551
I will

>>64008505

Im new here whats the deal with ayame and koreans

>>64008781

>>64008107
This is better
https://sexbjcam.com/category/korean-bj/

>>64008838
Thats fake doe or a fan account cant fck be real

>>64008163
flipped through several korean twitch channels (world of tanks, variety, etc.) and yeah some of them were talking about naver

>>64008937
No it's real, Ayame always tweets in google translated Japanese while calling herself ore

>>63971414
>hate Japan
>constantly steal Japanese culture
Why are gooks like this?

>>64006927
I'm talking about the Big Three (General Motors, Ford and Chrysler). Those other companies you mentioned are distinctly NOT American. And thus not getting government help to keep them afloat and competitive as there are many rules that help protect those companies stay afloat while they make overpriced shit cars compared to Toyota, VW and Kia.

>>64002603
Really the streaming explosion in the US that fractured the Streaming Market from Netflix and misc things to a mountain of various services and companies was the response to people pulling the plug on network/cable TV.
Instead of them begging the government to save them they just decided to try and fracture streaming so they all can get a cut. Which has the side effect of making more Streaming Exclusive shows which further disincentives watching TV as if all the good shit's going to streaming why watch the leftovers that are on TV?

>>64008163
The problem is going to be "How are you going to get overseas viewers?" as the Korean Market even if you get 100% of it is pretty shit for market size.

Reminds me that Hololive does not have Korean branch.

>>64010057
yet

>>64010057
>>64010124
Korea was one of the first overseas markets they said they wanted to look into, but much like most of them (including English outside the US) they've made no visible effort to even start investigating it.

>>64009513
the first generation of Korean vtubers were weebs that loved Japanese culture
it's the ones that became "vtubers" because the path from dullahan streamers to the Korean VRChat community that are normalfags

>>63987724
yeah, this was the first thing I thought upon seeing the news

>>64010216
https://twitter.com/hololive_in
one day, we will redeem...

>>63975362
With a VPN though, couldn't/wouldn't streamers just be changing their streaming locations? And since the affiliate/partner features could only be accessible from outside Korea, they'd still be able to take advantage of them, wouldn't they?

>>64010504
A korean streamer explained that they would need to make a new account if they try to get around the shutdown. Something about their partnership/affiliate being tied to their place of residency and all that, wasn’t paying attention at that part.

>>63972013
What's the point of having such a SEXO design if you can't make R18 fanart out of it?
Why is VSPO like this?

>>63995791
>Biden might be senile but he's a decent guy I think
He's a literal kid diddler.

>>63976660
>>63975552
Isegye already tested the waters last year.
And Stellive used to be YouTube streamers.

>>63977704
That and we're no longer allowed to see videos and streams on the same page

>>63985484
does this mean that vpns dont work in korea?

>>63971414
Finally.

>>64006937
>doesn't cater to zoomer adhd
lol the reason they did nothing with their streaming platform is because they're focusing on Shorts in order to compete with tiktok.

>>63975831
They've already talked about doing so, it's probably not in the near future but it's inevitable for most companies to do so eventually if the taxes stay the same

>>64020264
I don't understand gook language but i watch their stream, have they been able to talk about this and their plan? probably they will follow their boss wherever he goes to.

>>64009265
Why would she do something like that on her official account? There's no way management would allow this; they'd have her delete it immediately.

Is this bullish for indies on youtube?

Never is making their own streaming platform soon after pushing twitch out of it's domestic market so they will all go there instead.

>>64029175
Naver*