/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

One of the best designs and the industry and some of the best rigging ever seen.

>>635442

I'm only posting Hololive for now but feel free to share anything you think is worth posting.

Aloe...
someone had to do it, but with that out of the way
I didn't notice until today that there were 3 versions of the idol costumes in Hololive. I knew different girls had different ones of course, but I never paid enough attention to catch there's specific variants.
My favorite is probably the Roboco-san Type (I'm assuming they don't have specific names, but it makes sense to refer to them by the first 0th gen with it to me) but they're all very well made.

>>635442
>succubus
>clothed character design
>but the vtuber is SEX SEX SEX SEX

>[pic] an eroge succubus
>a sweet caring supportive waifu
>but character design is more slutty than aloe

>>635456
>Jacketless pekora

Does anyone have Robocos?

ENTER

>>635502
Way better than her god-awful default design

>>635707
She's really fucking cool.

>>635714
Flare you don't have to be so honest

Wonder if we'll ever know what those straps are for

A cute boy

>>635747
Never noticed them.

>>635775
>>635838
more cute boys pls

Love Chammer’s design. Very simple but effective.

>>635714
Personally my favorite is still her new years, but I do like the new one that is a sort of casual Flare version. Her original has some cool things to it and it has a pretty good fantasy feel, but I think there are as many issues with it as there are cool things.

>>635905
Forgot the image that I downloaded for the sake of that post.

>>635777

Basically my favorite male design

>>635962

>>635968
Honestly anything that chuuba artist puts out is top tier, geared towards my tastes

>>635577
I need more jacketless magnet

>>635713
cute girl

>>635484
RIP, it's all gone now.

>>635968
>>636013
This is one of her newer ones that I am constantly looking at

>>635900
That's a cute tsundere ojou that hates lewd things!

>>635621
This one is real good.

>>636244
Goddamn, talk about thicc.

>>635673
I love her with all might heart

>>636268
Koopunderwear!

snuffy's new look

>>636244
Having the legs and tail be interchangable is a cool idea but it makes both look akward on the model. Not that it matters much since the bottom half won't be on screen often and fanart can fix the jankiness

>>636329

>>635495
Is that the character sheet for nacho's version?

>>635442
I am still mad this delicious design went to trash because of nijis.

Ruvixia time

>>636244
interesting

>>636364
Imagine if another company bought out the design

>>635621
I can't seem to find Hecatia's not even on her mama's twitter.
>>636361
Yeah, I was looking for the older one too, thanks.

>>636422

>>636464

>>636484

notKanata

>>636299
improvement

>>636457
If i were cover i would sit on this simply so no one else could have it.
And it seems they do just that.

>>635658

>>635658
Both for good measure

>exposed shoulders
>frilly clothes
>thighhighs
>garter on one leg
>oversized jacket
why can't we have more original designs

>>635854
Idk if it's cute for you but here's a boy

>>636754

>>636774
because you dont own a vtuber agency

Luna's bloomers!

>>636590
I miss her so much bros, I even listened to her songs.
I don't like her roommate's content.

>>636629
holy shit this is her old design aint it.
looks really ridiculous compared to her new one.

>>636663
Do you have original Zentreya?

Actually a good design.
its just...
RIGGER HATE.

>>636913
1/2

>>636985
Wtf, she didn't have tits? And hololive just okayed that without consulting her?

>>636913
2/2

>>637027

>>637000
>>637021
Thanks anon, blessed get since it's my favorite version.

Do you have Nekomiya by any chance?
She's one of my favorite designs.

>>637017
thats the problem. her papa is so shitty at his work it made her looks like she has tumor.

>>637048
Np, her Russian look is a classic

>>637017
No the rigging gets the streamer's approval too, Anya hating her tits is a literal rrat, the reason she hides everything from her chest down is cuz her hair is fucking massive and covers half the screen either way she looks 10x better with tits

>>637046

>>636893
Iirc she was just a random OC initially and then became a vtuber later

>>637027

>>637046

>>637202
This seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I prefer this outfit over her old one.

>>637252

Why do so many of these look so fucked up in side view? >>635747 especially. Was that one drawn by someone else?

Can't just be 'anime is hard to draw from the side' since many of these look good. Aren't these industry professionals?

>>637027
I love her Penguin's detour cover

>>637292
I'm sure that side view is someone's else drawing

>>637105

>>636776
I wish she put out the design for her Valentines outfit

>>635456
Does someone has those concepts of her original and NY costume? I'm too busy to take a picture of the book.

>>635513
Matsuri probably seething that her character isn't always portrayed like this while the other girls got a say on their respectives designs.

>>637292
Probably just has less care put into it. If a character is going to be fully animated you should make the sheet look good, but if you'll only ever see the character from the front or as a 3d model it's not like you REALLY need a high-quality reference from the side, just enough to work with.
This is more obvious with heavily rendered models, where you can tell the front view on the sheet is literally the one they used for rigging, while the sides are... not.

>>637336
The whole image came from nabi-mama's twitter at least, so I'm assuming it's just a rougher style.

>>635513
The forced bare shoulders is getting annoying, her outfit would look way better with them covered.

>>635713
ded :c

>>637476
with the 3D model it's pretty important for a high-quality side view. I've drawn references for 3D models before, you have to make sure your side view is both accurate to the front view and doesn't look fucked up, or else when the character turns in 3D it'll look like a mongoloid.

>>635747
Damn that side shot is rough, I'll give it to time constraints and that this sheet in particular doesn't seem to be aimed at 3D model production.... because it doesn't even have a side view without the jacket so it's basically unusable as 3D reference.

>>637558
>>637585
Fair enough, yeah. I wonder if Cover just uses the original reference or commissions the artist for more. Given that Coco's old 2d barely had a nose and her new one does, I'm assuming the later, but who knows

>>637656
3D artist that used this is very happy

>>637192
I will praise the old suisei design, for a selfmade avatar it's got a really good color scheme and theme going for it but damn the hololive one is so good it makes me feel bad for comparing the 2, it's unreal how much the grey clothes make the light and dark blues stand out while also being an area of rest.

>>637712
Sorry I'm retarded, I meant "Given that Coco's old 2d barely had a nose and her 3d model does"

>>637192
That knees

>>637889
Seems like Aqua's rigger fucked up, she doesn't seem nearly as big as in here.

>>637889
>142cm
>77kg
Isn't that kinda... heavy?

>>637889
Aqua's design is so good, it's simple and iconic while still being extremely cute.

>>635442

>>637980
The image doesn't say 77kg, it says ??kg

>>637997
PPH...

>>637997
Imagine, we could've had 1/4 of the board be filled with Kotodama Tribe just like it is with Hololive...they could have been huge...

>>638019
my bad, I was too retarded to zoom in and double check

>>635692
How is her design so perfect?

>>638126
Too overdesigned, sorry to hurt your oshi.

>>635442

How much does it cost to hire an artist to make a top tier Live2D model, complete with character sheets like the ones posted here? $1000? $2000+?

>>638456
1000$ for an ok model, for the so called "live2D 2.0" with a huge range of movement, don't know.

>>638456
REALLY high quality? I'm pretty sure $2000 at least (for everything mind you, not just the png) is about right, yeah. Maybe kinda low. That's not something you should start with as an indie unless you just have money to burn though, in case that's why you're asking.

>>638456
A lot, enough that an indie couldn't be able to aford it unless they were already wealthy. Animation is an expensive as fuck industry.

>>638456
>>638526
He said on his debut he blew $1000, and yes he is wealthy, don't even think about it.

>>638680
And this looks good but holo and niji still look like 2 steps above in quality.

>>638785
Forgot to add it included the live2D too, it's on par with holo's old models, a far cry from Coco with nose.

>>637292
>>637336
>>637585
Nabi’s a hack, just like lemon mito.

>>638952
I wanted to counter you but every drawing on her twitter has the character looking at the viewer.

>>638456
$1500+ more if you’re going for a famous artist and rigger.

>>638952
>>639039
Same, just went through it, the anatomy is not that bad but its full of small wonky details that I can't stop staring at, the heads always seem too big and in the ame sheet in particular, the legs look atrocious.

>>639069
>>638680
>>638616
>>638551
>>638526
What about 3D models? I'd imagine they're a lot cheaper because the modeler doesn't create by drawing animation frames.

>>639129
I guess, it's how Kana started >>636361
She got a 3D model first and a live2D months later after gaining money.

>>639129
You still need to pay the character designer, the 3D modeler and the 3D rigger, so it averages to the same or even more depending on the complexity of the design.

>>639129
Pretty much what >>639208 said, with the addition that that's for high end stuff. On the low end a decent 3d model is cheaper than 2d, just because you can make one yourself with Vroid or something. It won't be anything special, but using a cheap 3d and upgrading to a nice 2d once you're sure it's worth it to you isn't a bad choice.

>>639129
(Same anon as >>639348)
Oh, and also: I'm not a rigger, but Live2d isn't exactly traditional 2d animation. As far as I understand it it has more in common with 3d animation than not, since you're basically setting up a bunch of 2d shapes and telling them how to deform from what input. I don't think it would even be possible with traditional frame-by-frame animation.

>>639496
Whoa, dude. Can you watch the hard R if you're not of that persuasion?

>>635524
Huh

Gyari's art style is really nice

>>639129
>What about 3D models?
Vroid is cheap but the higher quality can get as much as $5000 even more

>>638456
Top tier I'll break down the costs, but since it's a pretty new industry you're bound to find plenty of decent artists and animators sorely under pricing themselves

>Model Artwork
Can easily go up to $1000 alone. Considering we want a wide range of movement, the model will have to be cut up into many moving parts, which is a higher work load. The best looking mouth forms are using individual art drawings for each mouth keyform instead of stretching one single mouth assets, since that can look a bit fucked up. I've never seen someone list their pricing for this, but I'd imagine it could cost about $60 or more. Now with drawn expressions, I've seen most list them for about $50-100 each, obviously depends on complexity. So let's say this model has three expressions, drawn mouth keyforms, and is of a high quality. You're looking at about $1210-$1360 for model art alone. A high quality rendered reference sheet with fully rendered images for each accessory and model-view would probably be about $450 or so. Let's go to rigging.

>Rigging
Iron vertex has rigged a lot of the most impressive Vtuber models. I'll use them as gauge for what a higher tier animator would charge. Luckily, they have posted pricing before though it's kind of deep into their twitter page; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HVOwEHSTT9ChnbgnpzvNBnO7s7isAgb1ra8eL6q5H5I/edit
here's a link to the doc. Top tier rigging would be tier 4, so that easily puts you at about $2050+ as it says

>total cost
With all that in mind it puts our total costs for a highest quality vtuber model at around $3860. Also keep in mind that as an independent your connections are limited, so even if you have all the money in the world you won't have the same connection as say, hololive, to commission well known artists, so if that's important to you, you may not be able to get a 'highest' quality vtuber model.

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>>639742
UOOOOOOOOOOOH KANO BODY EROTIC

>>639598
>well known artists
Warning to any the people commissioning, dont fall for the 'famous artist' trap and there's no guarantee that a famous artist will make a good design. There are plenty of strong artists that are relatively obscure, buyers have to be good at finding them.

>>639129
The 3D path is easily more expensive than the live2D, if you are going for high quality.

Regardless of what you think of her, look at Projekt melody. I believe everything to get her running easily ranges around 20k. I know for Code Miko her body tracking equipment alone is 20k and only sold on a case-by-case basis by the company, and also requires recurring payments iirc. That doesn't include her face tracking. The world of fullbody 3D tracking is a very new, barely explored expensive one. I would say it's nearly impossible to be a full-body tracked 3D vtuber if you don't have someone on your team who is some kind of innovator or knows their way around programs like unity or blender.

Vroid is a very cheap alternative, but if you ask me I find it looks like shit. You can get a decent vroid model for about 60 dollars. The range of tracking people usually get for these is luppet, which is 50 dollars, and a leap motion, which is about 60. So if you're fine sacrificing quality, I say go for this since many shitty indies have still managed to find success with them and upgrade later with simp bucks. Kana had a Vroid to start out with if my memory serves me right.

>>638952
>>639109
>>639039
If Nabi keeps churning out sameface vtubers, Nabiface is gonna become the Hiraiface of chuubas

>>639860
agreed, I have friends who tried to enter the scene and commissioned some popular artists they enjoyed, only to get completely scammed and due to the popularity of said artists didn't want to say anything.

>>635621
is this civia?

Tanaka Hime's bloomers!

>>639996
If you're going for someone that's popular it's probably best to go for someone that has done it before. Tried and tested.

>>639193
>>639899

>>640076
This guy mass produces vtubers, I think he might have more vtuber children than any others I've seen, so no red flags were there

>>640019
I want to school this brat so bad, made that vtuber anime tolerable.

>>640098
Yeah, there it is. Not my cup of tea but it has results. Biggest hurdle in being a vtuber is just starting, nothing else matters after that.

>>638126
seconded

>>637838
>chef's kiss

>>638680
is this the original Moona?

>>639129
>What about 3D models? I'd imagine they're a lot cheaper because the modeler doesn't create by drawing animation frames.
I know you don't mean anything mean by it but whenever people say this shit it pisses me off so much. 3D modelling is far more complicated than you take for granted, and every step from blockout > greybox > refinement > texturing > shading > rigging > animations > blendshapes takes so much knowledge and the smallest fuck up can set you back entire days in a professional enviroment. Setting blendshapes (basically small animations toggles for facial emotes and the like) up for live-face-tracking requires basic coding knowledge, and having all of it in a easy-to-use package that even a toddler could use is something most people take for granted. 2D is still massively complicated, but there's less "steps" and plenty of cheats like tweening that make for a majority of the animations for 2DLive models, where as you can't really "cheat" at 3D modelling unless it comes at the expense of the character design (Masked character = no need for in-depth blendshapes and model topology, Bald character = no need for weight-painting hair fuckery and the bullshit that comes with normals inversing). That's not even taking into account that a majority of the time you'll need a 2D reference for the artist to follow, so you're adding even more expenses onto the process if you want the model to actually appeal to people.

3D is expensive as hell if you want it to look good, but it's expensive for a reason. Vroid is cheap but looks like hot garbage. Only go 3D if you actually have a use for it (wanting to do animations with your model. 3D dance/ringfit streams etc.)

>>637087
Her rigger is a fucking hack
Everything about her l2d is wrong in some way
The movement is janky
The hair animation is non-existent
The tits look fucking ridiculous

>>641111
>that get
Nice schooling anon.

>>635600
blah blah gap moe blah blah old as dirt blah.

>>636629
I wonder where that came from. even before her papa sold the design to cover corp I don't remember seeing her have normal feet.

I miss when they were a girl but the male design is alright I guess.

>>637956
rigger apparently missed that "flat chest" was a joke on gaou-papa's part. thankfully her newest l2d model fixed that, though cover hasn't fixed the 3d stuff at all.

>>635673
<3

>>641680
Is he going to have his girlfriend use the female version?

gonna miss tirols old model, the artstyle was so pretty

What's the obsession vtuber designers have with mismatched socks/stockings/shoes?

>>639129
you better off modding a video game model

>>642541
sock/shoe height constitutes a lot of different fetishists. Some people exclusively like knee highs, others like knee highs. It's just to appeal to two niches at once.

>>642882
thigh highs*, fuck

>>642333
Is that a fucking asanagi design?

>>641470
are you hurt?

>>642011
Nah he's single. He's a lot happier now too, and funnier. Maybe that's a sign.

>>638456
2D modeler here. I get to charge $1000+ for art alone, and $350ish for a decent ref sheet. The last top tier model I made was $2150 in total for art alone- there were 6+ expressions and 4 hands, plus extra arms to make. That's around as top tier as you're going to get, HOWEVER

If you're a famous artist, you can charge 2k for just a 'normal' pretty looking model without these additional things. The highest I've seen is 4-6k on the art by itself.

Highest rigging price is apparently $2300 as far as I've heard from another Vtuber I made a model for. Pic related's model was apparently 10k.

Imagine spending 10k on this, I just fucking cannot

>>643627
>pic
Seems there's plenty of scammers too.

>>643627
at 10k you might as well go for 3d

>>643627
Clearly you need to up your negotiation game.

>>643370
Yes, and not his first
Pretty sure these 2 are siblings as part of their actual characters, not just art siblings

>>643627
>10k for pic
Jesus fucking Christ that's double what Melody paid for her 3D model and design, how do you fall for that shit?

>>643736
He fell for the 'famous artist' meme

>>643702
I am not a popular artist. I just charge what I feel is reasonable for the time spent and quality I provide.

If you're popular, you can charge 2-3k easily, because people want the popularity that comes with being attached to that person. Also why IronVertex is insanely hot right now. Yet there are definitely a few indie riggers which are just as good and cheaper.

Get in on this niche while it's hot and make your money.

>>643805
I was making a joke about the 10k actually.

>>643627
Jesus, and here I thought people offering me $1000 for VRChat models were crazy.

>>643871
Yeah, I'm not sure if the 10k price is completely real since it's a very widespread rumor, but since the artist was yueko I would definitely believe it. Yueko generally sets her commissioners up with Iron Vertex riggers, and her full bodies were at 7k before she lowered the price.

>>643370
Yeah
Coming SOON
https://twitter.com/Formica_kawaii/status/1360846237210185730?s=20

>>644334
RIP Kogecha... I love the dude's art and all but just what the fuck was he thinking drawing this design.

Did the design chosen as the winner of the 4chan v-tuber contest deserve to win?

>>644402
She's cute, but there were better ones.

>>644402
She literally only won because of the Aqua meme face, which basically puts this site on the same level as Reddit.

>>635979
>marica
JAJAJAJAJA

>>635641
this, all too much this
>>635456
will we ever see coatless peko on stream?

>>635480
https://youtu.be/l_sCypRaIJ0?t=2852

i would like to see more cute boy and girl chuubas in suits

>>641680
A male vtuber with a design I like? Who is this?

>>644402
no the loli bear was objectively the best and the contest was rigged against her

>>635480
Thanks doc

>>638126
>perfect
take your oshi goggles off, none of nanachink's designs are memorable

>>644402
Fairy should have won.

>>641680
I remember stopping by his stream once back when he was a VRchat streamer and he had a booty cam. I was there for maybe three minutes before someone started gifting shit tons of subs and I ended up with one. Haven't seen any of his stuff since then but him and his community seemed okay.

>>644175
Senchou's design is top tier, if only her head wasn't so big. Her eyebrows and tummy in particular are pure sex.

>>647043
He's a lot different now afaik and cringes at his vrchat days.

>>648665

>>637347
Leonas design and rigging fits her too well. Blast to watch her utawakus

>>641111
>3D modelling is far more complicated
In the early days of VRchat good castom model was really fucking cheap to get. No idea what about todays prices, but it's not that complicated. Plus many indies are using VRchat based 3D first and then upgrade to smth more authentic. Anyway, 2D desing comes 1st.

>>649120
They were never cheap, the only "custom" models that were cheap were frankenstein MMD rips with colour changes, free download clothing and hair swaps, and the good quality ones were cheaper because VRchat had a small polygon limit back in it's early days (25k If I remember correctly, which then later upgraded to 50k). VRchat models are cheaper to make too because the rigging automatically synchs up to the Unity plug-in that you have to use and removes most of the busy work, meaning you don't have to set up programming for AR blendshapes, you only have to 'set' blendshapes for blinks, fingers and important vowels for mouth movements without all the programming bullshit since VRchat's fingers, emotions and mouth movements are audio and controller triggered, not facially tracked. That isn't even taking into account the quality of those comission artists, who often times can't UV map all the textures correctly and have to use 10 different materials because they're too lazy to do their job properly and people comissioning the models don't know any better, or the fact that most of them use shit tons of un-neccassary polygons because they can't be fucked doing proper topology and chose to make up for it by generating extra processing power which affects your computer no matter what game or program you chose to use your model in.
>Plus many indies are using VRchat based 3D first and then upgrade to smth more authentic
They are, but the ones that are doing that and are actually successful have had proper artists like Shonzo or Jjinomu make their VRchat models, artists that actually have a basic concept and grasp of what they're doing who can go back and prep the model for AR facial tracking, or hand it off to someone else confidently because they have everything set up neatly. Majority of these 'upgrades', however, are Miku-clone skinjobs that use stolen assets and are forced to use dropkick programs like SUVA that melt their computers because they're the only programs that will accept their abomination.
>but it's not that complicated
Flying a plane must not be very complicated, I mean all you have to do is push the joy sticks in the right direction, right? I mean, I have no idea how to fly a plane, so I'd have no idea how complicated it actually would be to fly a plane, but airline tickets are cheap with this one shitty, bum-sniffing hobo that flew a plane once, so they must be pretty easy to fly right? I mean, it's probably not as complicated as flying a helicopter or anything, since they are way more popular.

Have this cute Matsuri before I lose my fucking mind over your retarded comment.

>>644005
>doesn't even link a channel
It's not okay when japan does it.

>>646528
Jacketless Subaru is too strong, it reminds me she's a girl.

>>646803
FAKIN KYUTO WURUF

>>645578
cece

It's kinda funny how crazy huge the gulf in general quality of even just the design sheets by actual professional artists that have achieved just about anything and those from the twitter "pros" are.

>>657919

>>637404
Kek, in the end I took the picture.

>>636831
I never noticed her knife

>>635442
What happened to her anyway?

>>635442
Have his recent artbook about all her design stuff been uploaded online yet?

>>649120
Cringe

Probably my favorite Nijisanji female design.

>>646528
>>650705

Jacketless Subaru is pure sex. Only reason I began watching her and found one of my favorite Holos.

>>661639
Wasn't she stacked?

>>659293
delutaya thread is down the block

>>662835
She was always on the smallish side.

Dammit, most of niji stopped putting their character sheet in their pinned tweet

>>649960
Just don't even bother replying anon, weebs have no fucking idea how art is produced, nor do they care to learn (see the prevalence of "money = quality" mentality).

>>635456
Hololive's best design. Actually god tier.

>>666951
Anon what are your top 5 Holo designs?

Cocoa's design might've been generic schoolgirl but I liked it. Don't like the shorter hair on nu-Cocoa. Yuka Nagase is cute too.
>>637752
Suisei's redesign is godlike. Looks great in 3D too.

>>670027
Mel's thong...

>>669756
RIP pantsu

>>669445
Rushia's expressions are cuteeeee

>>669756
THIS

>>635565
>>635577
>>635588
The VOMS should use their "inner" designs in the summer.

>>636299

>>658739
off shoulder kimono...danjyarasu

>>671788
>>669756

That glitch what caused Miku's skirt to hike up is good shit

This design shit

>>672092
nice

>>672445
Right? It kinda reminds me of Phos from Houseki no Kuni

>>635821
Persona 5 ripoff, lmao

>>670027
I love this banpaia.

>>671951
The world isn't ready for TMSK unleashed.

>>672559
Why would you complain when atlus didn't make a Futaba vtuber themselves?

>>636774
Asians lack souls

>>637056
>Doesn't show massive cleavage
>Virgins get butthurt
>Tumor

Kek.

>>673414
anime flatman?

>>637980
it should be 44.5kg

There's a lot I find appealing about Era's design.

>>669332

>>672683
TMSK's jacket doesn't look as much like a limiter as Monoe's.

>>635979
I remember following her pre-debut when I found out she was an Aussie but never ended up actually checking her out. Thanks for reminding me she exists anon, I'll have to check her out now.

>>635588
>>672683
How big are TMSK's fire orbs?

>>638126
>perfect
The way the knees bend is weird