/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>63758513
>an altright org vs a Zaion org
https://streamable.com/mqg04w

It’s really not. Phase Connect is fourth, Idol is fifth. Baitposters are trying to pretend Idol is going down because of Riro, or that they’re mogging Phase.
Idol is doing behind, but overall they’re behind Phase Connect. Both are doing fine. I’m not sure why people still argue about this when the ccv averages for last month just came out.

>>63758771
>JVDEA DELENDA EST

>>63758513
Man, phasebros are so fucking cowardly, They wouldn't even dare to make posts like this when it was an actual battle right after the clown and the singer's debut. They had to wait until they had their 3rd generation ready to go and the biggest sex scandal in vtubing hit Idol.

>>63758864
Take Pippa away and Phase connect is literally nothing, easily BTFO by Idol

>>63759013
Not really. If you remove the top talent from both they're about the same size. Phase is slightly smaller but Pippa is also bigger.

>>63759187
Cope.

>>63759210
Say it king

Looking at November, there's some suspicious as fuck shit going on with Phase's viewership.

>>63758513
Have /#/ anons already gotten so bored at Holo vs Niji vs VShojo and now switched to Phase vs Idol instead?

>>63759013
>>63759210
Ok, shlomo >>63691652

I dont care about numbers, only cunny.

>>63759277
>collab with big vtuber
>do buff content
>numbers go up

>>63759358
Wouldn't the unarchived karaoke have been the most buff since it happened literally the day after the collab?

A fight between a silicon valley multi millionaire and mossad psy ops

>>63759452
Things are pretty funny

Effortlessly mindbreaks both of them while not even knowing they exist
Also
>#4
>less than 3%
Lmao

>>63759348
By the way, my cunny ranking would be
Idol > Phase > HoloEn > Vshojo (counting JPs) > NijiEn > Vshojo (No Jps)

>>63759578
Gen 3 all asked to be loli but Fishman denied it

>>63759523
Funny indeed... the complete opposite happened here.

>>63759620
Motherfucker

>>63758513
Phase has been winning recently by actively engaging with the actual viewer market, seen from the Filian collabs and such.
Idol still feels really isolated like all the other small corpos, except for maybe Yuko.

>>63759668
I honestly have not been paying attention to Ember and can not tell you anything about that. Recent YouTube changes definitely have benefitted Phase a lot though so that might be it.

>>63759741
Oh, I'm not asking about Ember even though her shit is just as suspicious as Panko's. I'm asking why the "sibling relationship" wasn't a mega buff and was instead a debuff compared to the rest of her content for the month.

>>63759620
I will turn him into surströmming if Purin isn't cunny.

>>63759306
Unironically, yes. Numberfagging small corpos is way more interesting nowadays.

PhaseConnect is super strong. Look at this amazing stream by Jelly where she had over 1700 people watching her.

>>63759850
You're asking about Ember man

>>63759531
Anon, I know both that most anons here are troglodytes who’ve never heard of VSPO, and also to not derail the conversation by bringing them up when everyone involved is clearly an EOPfag.
Mentioning that VSPO is the actual #3 corpo and even bigger than VShojo is “well akshully” behavior. Stop being such a faggot.

>>63759964
She was streaming out of her usual timeslot and caught the Pippa raid. She normally hovers around ~350

Dizzy effortlessly passed 1300 viewers on this stream. How does Phase manage to find all these amazing talents?

>>63759964
>>63760069
Idolkeks seething. Even without the occasional Pippa raid they BTFO your girls. Also why doesn’t Rin simply raid your shitters? Aren’t coworkers supposed to support each other?

Even the JP Phase talents are on the climb. Look at Iori's rise to over 500 viewers on this stream. Remarkable!

>>63760069
the secret ingredient is ex-tsunderia. truly exceptional at finding talents, terrible at everything else.

Is he actually crying about raids

>>63760250
That was nothing compared to Nasa though, who managed to snag over 1500 viewers with her karaoke stream.

>>63758513
who's #3?

>>63758513
Phase is 4chan pandering corpo.
Idol is youtube shorts gang and whoring for money corpo.

>>63760051
I'm going to make fun of those troglodytes whenever possible
Seeing them piss their safe bubble is always fun

>>63760383
you aren't even a clipwatcher

>>63760350
vshojo

>>63760309
Without Pippa raids Idol destroys Phase.

>>63760389
Godspeed to you anon

>>63760417
vshojo is higher than niji though?

Rie showed her fashion smarts, which is how she almost reached 700 viewers in this stream.

>>63760069
But she got raided by Lia when she was doing the feet stream

>>63760350
damn

>>63760452
Also phase connect is technically higher than niji now too.
So it goes: Holo > Phase > Niji > Idol

>22 talents
1 million subscribers
>12 talents
1.3 million subscribers

>>63760434
Pippa only very recently started raiding again on YT

>>63760434
Does Idol not raid or something

>>63760484
Retard

>>63760489
>Rin has double Pippa’s subscribers but less than half the CCV
Is Phase botting? By all metrics Rin is better except CCV, is Sakana buying views?

>>63760555
Pippa has attracted viewers outside the typical vtuber sphere, that's how she can easily get 2-4k on average

>>63760548
Raids are inherently unfair and if you take them out of the equation than you’ll clearly see that Idol has a higher quality of talent and a general higher standalone average CCV.

>>63760555
Pippa stands out because people who watch Pippa know Pippa more than they know Phase. Lots of Pippa watchers don't even know what Phase is, they just wanna watch the "based rabbit vtuber"
Her CCV is probably genuine but not a good reflection of how Phase as a company is doing since every break through 1k is usually the result of a Pippa raid or Pippa buff. Even indies Pippa collabs with catches it and then falls back to 2view

>>63760555
>Is Phase botting
Yeah, they've been botting ever since she first broke 1k ccv. That was their test run but they kind of fucked up and went too hard

>>63760630
Tenma and Lia have their own audiences and easily break 1k

>>63760463
>>63760349
>>63760250
>>63760069
>>63759964
>>63760607
>gets a raid
>most raiders stay for a considerable amount of time
Sounds like a good strategy. You must be underage if you think numbers come from quality content.

>>63759277
Panko is just based. SImple as.

>>63760607
>Raids are inherently unfair

>>63758771
Gura is a jew?

>>63760630
But Tenma has been a consistent 4 view for a while now and she has never been raided by Pippa? Lia just reached 3000 viewers without a raid from Pippa as well. Even Panko and Shiina have closed in on 1.5k without raids at all? How are they doing that without raids from Pippa? It has to be botting, right?

>>63760676
And yet those people that "stay" are never found on that persons next stream

>>63760548
Idol does raid. But the laughable graphs mostly belong to the "Origin" (jew) streamers, which are on the level or lower than the Phase JP streamers basically. Rin-raided graphs sometimes can get silly, but not to the level of the graphs posted in this thread beforehand though.

Are these threads being made by Idol girls because Phase girls keep making drug jokes and laughing in their corpo discord?

>>63760763
So what you're saying is Phase has more viewership discrepancy as opposed to Idol which is more consistent

>>63760742
This. Raids are literally just an artificial increase to the average without an actual positive benefit. This greatly skews Phase’s numbers. If you removed/accounted for raids Idol would be above Phase.

>>63760742
What does it matter? Raiding is still a good strategy, if there's a problem with it it's that it isn't utilized enough.

>>63760841
It is well documented that raiders aren't actually real people

excluding Pippa and Rin how many idol members are 4 view vtubers?

>>63760841
>higher numbers on a stream, generating more watchtime and exposure
>without an actual positive benefit
Do you think they're just doing it to be silly? It has obvious benefits. Even getting 1 additional viewer for a stream is a benefit.

>>63760674
key word is usually retard
doesnt mean that most of the talents aren't doing anything exceptional numbers wise with the lowest end talents struggling to be above 100 views. Phase as the company is certainly not trying to help those talents.

>>63758513
Is it? Phase seems to have improved its position and Idol couldn't follow-through.

>>63760727
she's a shark you dummy

>>63760910
4view average? Zero

>>63760910
More than Phase has.

>>63760910
0 just like phase

>>63760781
stop leaking your company's communications, rie

>>63760991
Isn't Tenma a 4 view?

>>63760991
Your comparison function is faulty

>>63760991
why don't you write fan fictions? you got the knack for it

>>63761060
Tenma and Pippa have one of the most unstable viewbases in the industry. It usually hints to botting
Tenma for example randomly doubles and loses half of her viewebase between streams

>>63760687
I.. I kneel...

>>63760417
no they're number 2, number 3 is Nijisanji

Majority of Phase are for try-hard, 12 year old edge lords. Pippa's actually been a detriment to vtubing as a whole because she let the worst, shittiest, fanbase in.

Why aren't # threads outside of /#/ banned yet? Serious question.

>>63761204
It is well documented that twitch viewers aren't real people so Vshojo actually has 0 ccv

>>63761166
>It usually hints to botting
could it be more so that Pippa or Tenma aren't peoples kamioshi so people only watch them if no one else is streaming?

>>63760985
OP is baiting, this catalog is filled with tribalfags, and Pippa complicates things. Phase is clearly bigger than Idol, and it doesn’t really matter either. But people are going to treat it like it is important and that there’s any debate.
Phase is bigger than Idol. It’s also not some Holo/Niji level mogging. Who gives a fuck?

>>63758513
don't forget about me dayo

>>63761364
Nene is the only one who can get numbers, everyone else is bottom of the barrel

why are idolfags trying to make shit up to debate the actual numbers?

>b-but raids - like idol never raided each other
>b-but subs - nice dead subs rin. now check ccv and earnings
> b-but pippa - remove pippa, and keep rin. phase still mogs idol
> b-but bots - write a book about it.

idol has ran donothon after donothon, advertisement after advertisement, 50 + watchalongs. And gen2 still failed spectacularly. So it makes sense to seethe. It's okay things will get better once your girls actually become entertaining and your staff stop fucking the talents.

>>63761337
Sorry but the chinese have lost the benefit of doubt a long time ago

>>63761425
t. jew

>>63761410
>earnings
Oh, does Phase have those numbers? Because idol has public donothon numbers.

Idol is just a pedo corpo. Just look at their thread.

>>63761510
I really don't think chuubas doing events specifically meant to milk money from viewers is anything to be proud of man

>>63761337
From personal experience, I’d say that sounds right for Tenma. Before Pippa inclined, Tenma was the most popular one in the corpo, so she’s always had some exposure and some of the most mindshare (besides Pippa) among people who’ve heard of Phase.
Pippa is a huge tourist draw when she does buff content, which is the polar opposite of buff content for most vtubers. She does poorly on *all* video games since everyone in Phase knows there’s always someone better in the company for any gaming stream. She’s also sort of the small corpo Gura, in getting lots of fans who fuck off when she sends them anywhere, because they don’t watch any vtubers other than her.

>>63761510
And why do they have to make earnings public? You beg people for money and you pay to advertise so you have more people to beg. Are you proud of being a beggar begging on the streets?

Just playboard regular earnings anon. It's there.

>>63761573
>fans who fuck off when she sends them anywhere, because they don’t watch any vtubers other than her.
It's been getting better. This recent wave of growth she's gotten seems mostly comprised of vtuber viewers since they're probably from the Filian collab.

>>63761510
The donothons, feet, and piss are primarily what I know Idol for. Believe it or not, that’s not a good thing if you’re trying to shill your corpo.
I watched EN1’s debuts. I gave EN2 a shot because of Roca. It’s hard to enjoy a lot of the talents’ streams if you’re not in love with them and not trying to fall in love with them.

>>63761260
Phase has the racism buff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9MtD-jysBo

>>63761590
Cope harder phasekek. One idol donothon makes more money than three or four Phase girls combined.

In all aspects of how a company is run. Phase is better. I believed in idol and their talent first crap up until they executed riro the way they did. idol is a black company lying to the clueless.

>>63761304
cope

>>63761573
Every time someone tells me to check out a PIppa stream all she's doing is watching something like car chases/crashes or bodycam footage and shit like that. I guess that has an appeal to some people but not for me.

>>63761640
And how often can each talent beg for money? Wait, don't answer that.

>>63761640
Imagine bragging about having near constant donothons to fund an Israeli's new home in Gaza

>>63761640
I only care about the girls’ income insofar as it keeps them happy and makes them want to produce more content. No sane person gives a fuck about how much money some vtuber makes unless it’s from making entertaining content we want to watch.
Quantitative metrics are all shit at determining that, but income is the absolutely most fucking retarded one.

>>63761640
Hate to break this to you anon. It looks a lot more like you are coping

>>63761690
She also plays games poorly and argues about stupid shit with chat

>>63758513
>5 billionth pippiger thread trying to cause corpo wars
i really do feel bad for phase bros for having to deal with these annoying niggers 24/7

>>63759578
Why separate VShojo into EN and JP if the only lolis are on the JP side at all

>>63761690
Oh god, no. I might be a phasefag, but I rarely watch Pippa’s streams. I skip all her gaming and react streams, so that’s the vast majority of them right there.

>>63761640
It's okay to be bad. I would be too if I had just spent allegedly $200k+ on my gen2 debuts, dropping the title sponsorship at offkai, and only to have maybe 3 people show up at the con versus half the con who showed up for phase. I understand your pain

>>63761768
Having dumb takes and arguing with chat about it actually drives her live views and engagement way up

>>63761865
yeah it's kino

>>63761631
Eventually idol will be known for its earlicking ASMR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRzQcBxi_-k

>>63761631
add staff fucking talents, and fans fucking talents to the list

>>63759620
Based fish fighting the good (hag) fight.

So why is every single bait thread like this just constant talking about Pippa with like a single Idol comment thrown in?
such a weird coincidence.....

>>63761978
nothing wrong with lolibabas

I don't think phase is even trying to fight with idol? Most of the comparisons I see is niji and phase. idol is not even in the picture.

>>63761810
Because Henya, the reason vshojo get placed above niji, is kinda functionally both.

>>63762070
michael...

>>63762028
Eh, Phase is just a rising corpo anon. It's in the group with 3 micro corpos for its Vtuber award nomination instead of with HoloEN, NijiEN, Vshojo, and Idol.

>>63762127
RIGGED!!!!!!

>>63762101
She unfortunately doesnt play into it enough.
Henya is a lolicon through and thorough.

>>63762028
The thing is phase already found its niche and space. It has its big drawer in Pippa, 2-3 decent sized girls, and the rest are good enough. Yeah the jp girls are doing bad but the company can keep them up. It has its brand identity, and is basically set.
Anything bigger than this would require a much bigger structure which Sakana clearly is not interested in.

>>63761909
So, I actually clicked that, found out it wasn’t one of the usual suspects (Yuko, Pochi…) and visited Momo’s channel because I know nothing about her other than that she’s Korean or something.
Can someone fill me in on the second gen? I thought Momo was a degenerate or something. This VOD is just her shitting on her fans’ keyboards. Which is totally great, don’t get me wrong.

>>63759620
>10ma is one of the most sucessful phase girl
>not going for another cunnybaba
i hope fish faceplants into a lego

>>63762309
This is what Momo is known for.

>>63762190
If only her coworkers knew about this

>>63758513
Honestly Sakana should buy Idol and merge under Phase (and not bring all the staff since some of the management was outed), Aviel should be in charge of finances and sells, and Fishman handle merch and coffee, and become the next in line to overthrown Niji, let's be honest most of the girls are similar to the Phase vibe they all don't have to be Yab but still be a bit Yab like saying retard, THEY BOTH HAVE A LOT OF CUNNY! thats the biggest overlap, oh and Rin (british) can just leave we don't need prude "asexuals" with dry british snarky humor we don't want her so yea, WE SHALL BE PHASE CONNECT CORP THE NEXT JUGGERNAUT.

>>63762465
…Ah. Related note, idk if this is causation or just correlation, but I noticed /jidf/ ignores a lot more of their members proportionally than /pcg/ does. I barely notice anyone mentioning Juna, Fuyo, Momo, etc. Rin definitely shows up less often than Yuko. I know why, it’s just fucking bizarre that these things would make almost *nobody* talk about them in the general.
The only ones who are really neglected in /pcg/ are the JPs, and it’s because they’re JPs in an EN corpo. I have no real explanation for this difference in behavior.

>>63762721
>oh and Rin (british) can just leave we don't need prude "asexuals" with dry british snarky humor we don't want her so yea
Based take, but this is also why it’s not ever going to happen. I mean, along with a million other things, but that’s one of the reasons

>>63762726
>Fuyo
Are you sure you've been in /jidf/ anon? Cloverchads are all over the place there.

>>63759277
It's called inclining, Panko is just great

>>63762721
this is some severe mental illness desu

>>63762721
Prude chuubas are great because when you jerk off to them you're basically spiritually raping them.

>>63758513
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY

Kawaii is my forth.

>>63759578
Hurts to say but I guess if you based it off talents pulling off the potential of their cunny model than yes Idol is superior in that regard(not counting the ASMRs because I don't watch those but damn I've seen some parts and they are goood I have to admit) a lot of cunnies in Phase don't really play that well or sometimes just don't play into it at all, only like Wemi is the cutest who actually tries to pull it off, HOPEFULLY the 2 new cute and funnies try to pull it off more now that Gura is burn out we been having chumbuds disperse on to /pcg/ and we've been telling them that hopefully they can find someone or a cunny that they like specially with the 2 new coming.

>>63763132?(me)
>t. Phasebro

>>63763132
Panko is the angry gura experience what are you on

>>63763073
>not first
Where's your dedication to your oshi

>>63762440
I mean anon... Tenma is popular because she's good and funny not because she is cunny, sure she likes some cunny fanart of her but she doesn't lean into the loli aspect like at all, nada, zero, if safe to say that likely it's not her model but her personality/entertainment trait, I'm sure that if she even changed models to a less loli model (I would hate that) nobody would complain (I would she is perfect the way she is) because people are there for her not the cunny.

>>63759620
Fish has the mindset of branching out and veriety will bring greater profits when reality and road forward is cunny

>>63760676
I mean, look I'm a Phasefag, but all these examples are like literally obvious that those spikes are raids, not saying that's a bad strategy, but y'know it's precisely accurate.

>>63760910
Phase? 4
>Tenma
>Shiina
>Lia
>Panko
Idol? None. Yuko and Fuyo sometimes manage to almost reach 900 but they are not breaking through.

>>63759859
She's the cow scientist, possibly oppai loli.

>>63763846
someone had a screenshot of lumi hitting 1.8kCCV without raids on twitch

>>63759277
The only good Phase is the Korean wolf hag with the huge milkers

>>63762779
> but this is also why it’s not ever going to happen but this is also why it’s not ever going to happen.
But what other reasons? :(
>>63763001
KEK you sick fuck.

>>63764086
>oppai loli
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE

>>63763846
do any idol members even stream on twitch? Just asking because the vtuber awards show voting is mostly done by a twitch audience.

>>63758513
this war is heating up

>>63763248
Eeeh I mean I guess I can see that, thanks anon but idk there's something that it's not fully there you know? like she IS CUTE and Funny but is like her heart isn't fully in there y'know what I mean? (Maybe I just need to watch more of her, but she interacted with Nijishits... so that's a bit of a turn off but I don't mind it if she keeps it on xitter)

>>63762127
Pippa is butt buddies with the vtuber awards show host filian telling her to put phase in that spot to win rising vtuber corporation because why be in a spot you would lose against vshojo, niji and hololive?

>>63763846
>Idol? None
just say you literally have no clue what you are talking about phase nigger

>>63764398
Mmmm as far as I can think? Uuuuh not anyone? But I'm suuure there must me some like a lot.

>>63764645
I mean I do watch them, Like Rin is literally the only 4view, like again Fuyo and Yuko sometimes get close to 4view and sometimes do it there but very rarely any of gen1 or gen 2 do it, Oh maybe Katta right? she is fairly popular/unhinged.

>>63764635
Because you will be compared to the other nominees. Why would you not want to be grouped with Hololive, Nijisanji, and Vshojo and rather be grouped with 3 micro corpos that nobody even knows?

>>63759620
>dragon tummy
He is forgiven.

Why must we fight?
Cant we just enjoy cunny together?

>>63764744
Katta is literally the lowest viewed idol talent. You probably shouldn't talk about something that you're clearly clueless about.

>>63764744
KEK than no one is a 4view other than Rin what are you one about? Or proof me wrong than lmao.

>>63761204
Niji's JP branch shits all over VShojo even if EN is a trashfire.

>>63764765
I think getting showcased to an audience that you won rising star for more people to take interest is far better than getting your ass kicked by 3 other vtuber companies.

>>63764825
Truue Idolbro, as a Phasebro I do want peace and cunny for everyone and agree with these two anons >>63762721 >>63763132 we must unite and become the next big wave in vtubing.

>>63764825
>we
its just pipnigs, everyone else gets long great

>>63764875
>proof
Why are phaseniggers always ESL faggots?

>>63764930
And I'm sure the person whose team won his his local beer league thinks it's far better than being on the worst team in the pros.

I will never understand how a chink is such a savvy jew and how a jew looks like a huge stupid American goy in how they both run their companies.

>>63760687
>>63759277

Panko is italian EU TIMEZONE vtuber, she's worth way more than native usa streamers of similar ccv.

>>63764936
This is false capipis always include other talents with Pippa's milestone gifts because like her we all love everyone in Phase just because we don't talk about every single one of them at all times doesn't mean we don't love them also because Pippa feels bad because she feels that her capipis are so big that she feels that other talents want to have their own fanbases outside the capipis so that's why she struggles with collabs and everyone in the company because she doesn't want to hinder anyone or to make other talents feel like they didn't achieve their numbers or viewers with their own hard work.

Right now idol has the larger investment via investments but overall phase is just larger via viewer base. Lia, tenma , lumi and even shiina all flirt with hitting 1k ccv and often hit it with their floor ccv being 500 ccv so even if you remove Pippa the top girls of phase are bigger than idol I haven't seen any of the idol girls consistently hit 1k ccv without the ads running and the pumping of
money into the youtube ads during donothons

>>63764969
OMG anon, fine prove me wrong.

>>63765039
I think you forgot to add that the audience watched the local beer league on the super bowl half time.

>>63765079
you say this but pipnigs openly raid threads constantly and are kiwi fags which is 99% of the people that raid Idol threads because LE JEW!!!!

Idol= Israel
Phase= Hamas

>>63761631
>The donothons, feet, and piss are primarily what I know Idol for.

idol bro which of them showed their feet?

>>63765470
at this point the better question is who hasn't

>>63759668
Ember has a completely different brand of fan as the rest of the girls, most are way more normie and came through her cupid cover,
these people hated andy and leyley whereas Panko is verry popular with capipis and has the biggest overlap with pippa in humour so we'll go see what she thinks of the game after pippa since she'll usually get it and not rage out of it

>>63765154
we don't actually think about you guys that much
and there's a lot of yuko fans in capipis

>>63761510
Yeah I bet people were really happy to have contributed to $60k in donations to Coni just for her for fuck off for three weeks immediately after, then reappear on her PL. Oh, Kai too, right?

>>63764337
The fact that this is a who you know kind of industry, and the two have very different networks? Like, none of fishman’s business partners know Aviel, and none of Aviel’s know fishman.
This shit works based on trust, and Aviel just fired Tomar last week. I’m not saying Tomar was or wasn’t the only bad one (I really don’t know, but since there’s no evidence yet, I’m giving Aviel the benefit of the doubt). But it’s still a headache to deal with, and why would Fishman want to put himself through that?
Finally, there’s the issue of company culture. I’m not saying one is better than the other, but they’re different. The talents at Phase and the talents at Idol are used to interacting with their managers and the corporate management side in specific ways, and we have no idea how well that would mesh.
Phase doesn’t just have Muumi but also former managers from other companies in Lumi and Dizzy. People like Pippa and especially Tenma have enough leverage and are opinionated enough to call out fishman when he messes up. This creates a very specific company culture which five girls who know what they’re getting into can adapt to, but twelve girls who never intended to join Phase and are used to Idol could struggle to get used to.
There’s also the branding aspect. You can’t just get into the phasebox by being a sadgirl with yab fetishes. You also have to get along with the existing members of Phase Connect. With a new gen, it’s assumed that the girls are excited to be there, which makes it easier to gel with their senpais. If Phase and Idol merge, there’s going to be clashes between the fanbases, the girls trying to adapt to the new culture of the phasebox, some members feeling resentful that some member is collabing with Phase members and abandoning them and inclining for it…all that.
Much easier to just not do any of it and stick to collabs.

>>63758513
I love both of them. My condolences to anyone who feels upset by this.
I have to admit that it's pretty amusing seeing people who neither watch or care about either trying to spur them against each other, though.

>>63760841
that's not true, phase had better ccvs even when Idol was buying ads and they have a decent schedule even with all the overlap memes so you can go from jelly to michiru to panko to ember to lia and end up at pippa and all this snowballs over time and promotes the other girls

>>63766370
Did you get Coni confused for the Kawaii horse girl? Coni's donothon was at the beginning of the month and she streamed nearly every day after

>out your talent and manager as sex abusers
>terminate without fanfare or finger pointing

Not a competition. One is a sex club ran by dumb silver spoon fag. The other is a ruthless business ran by a chinaman who is inclining like crazy.

>>63766383
:( alright smart anon, you won, thank you.

>>63758999
I don't think anyone waits for a normalfag sex scandal in any vtuber agency?

>>63766383
There's also the Cyberlive problem.

We need a Final Solution to this problem

>>63766756
Idol is a weird mix of Wactor and Cyberlive

>>63765106
Phase has a first army. That’s what makes it special among the small corpos. Small corpos tend to have one or two famous members who do well and then a bunch of literal who’s. Idol’s big enough that their “literal who’s” are still respectable, but still.
Lia, Tenma, Lumi, Dizzy, and Shiina. You see anons talk about these five if you look closely enough in the catalog. Anons will bring them up and talk about their content. They do stuff that makes them recognized to a large chunk of anons.
I can’t say that Idol has a similarly strong core. Rin, Yuko, Coni, Roca, and Pochi. Rin is the only one of these five that I’ve seen posts about focusing on their content. Nobody talks about Roca except when it’s karaoke, and it’s usually similar coomer/gachi shit for the other three.

>>63759277
Numbers all after the Fillian collab, if you watched the stream you'd understand why. Henya collab with Pippa x Tenma also includes Henya looking up most of Phase so her crowd got exposed a bit. A few Phase girls got a cool hundred or so boost. Lastly Pippa nailed the voice over for Coffin game, so you could say it was their month to shine.

>>63767683
I think Lia voiced the incest game better honestly.

>>63767683
Also Lia/Pomu collab

>>63767468
Fuck, I was taking so long with the high effort shit that I forgot about the obvious. Merging the two when Lumi is one of Phase’s most popular members and Coni is one of Idol’s most popular is beyond retarded.

>>63767847
They should kiss and make up.

idol just nuked a guy talking about the drama while he was live

>>63759668
Please don't bully Ember, she is more of a niche like Jelly but actually has a supportive asian family that gets together. She has taken a lot of breaks while everyone rapidly inclined.

>>63767881
As a lumifag, I won’t stand for it unless Lumi is on top.

>>63759531
If this were a Japanese website you might have a point

>>63767895
No shit, using membership-walled content is going to get any fucking video taken down. What a dumbass.

>>63758513
>battle for the 4th place
Wait what happened to Mythic?

>>63767906
I want to feed Ember

>>63767895
>ATTEND COPYRIGHT SCHOOL

>>63759964
This one was planned well by Jelly, her fans told her to play Ghost Trick because she wanted to play 3DS puzzle games since puzzles are her thing. Steam had an updated release 3-4 months ago and she herself chose to stream at a decent time instead of like USA 8am she does regularly due to her location. So the people who knew she existed stayed to see what she was like as a streamer. It also helps the game is criminally under rated and zoomers would have had no idea it existed. Anything puzzle and music is her forte and gets onto her radar by her fans, puzzle being literal programming math language at the extreme.

>>63767895
You mean the one where the streamer played an entire members-only stream visibly on screen?
Shocking, really. I can't believe copyrighted content exists

>>63760910
None. They're all top heavy

>>63758513
idol getting curb stomped in noombers despite out spending phase 10 to 1

>>63760250
>>63760349
This one is easier, Henya buff after people found out Tenma was Japanese and they enjoyed Tenma being unhinged. Finding out Phase had a 3 woman JP division they stuck around, personality game is a strong introduction to any chuuba, Nasa has the softest voice so literal hypnotism.

Do #fags even watch Vtubers at all?

>>63760484
I'm promoting the reasons why I think Phase boomed this month (basically algorithm fix as well) but I'm not delusional. NijiEN have heavy hitters and NijiJP is a behemoth. Holo having the power of a thousand suns in comparison.

>>63764936
le boogieman has arrived

>>63767895
Oy vey shut it down

>>63767847
>Lumi and Coni and the others at the merger

>>63759306
It's still Holo vs Niji.
Phase and Idol is treated the same way America and China treats the real Middle East, as shithole countries to wage proxy wars

>>63759277
Panko leeched a few viewers out of filian. It happened before too she was leeching Pippa in the past but she's so shit and boring she's not gonna keep the numbers like last time.

>>63768191
It says 40-60 right there
Here is what he was showing. It was when she was talking how she "loves daddies milk"
Idol is being real petty about this

>>63768891
Yeah anon, why don't you try restreaming Hololive membership content on your youtube channel. See how well that's going to turn out for you.

>>63767799
Lia Pomu collab was huge as well, they practically have the same energy so Lia nailed a grrat first impression. In regards to Rie, she raids into NijiJP a lot and different other chuubas due to her time slot, even idol once before.

>>63763846
Panko Lia and Shiina are not stable retard. Panko is low 3 view, Shiina and Lia are on the higher side while Tenma hovers in the border. The only stable 4 view is Pippa if we count only yt.

>>63758513
>fierce
They had a few cross-company collabs a week ago.
Fierce means a blacklist like HoloEN and NijiEN for the longest time until Omega got fired and Dimitri Jap took over.

Personally I believe Lumi has massive growth potential. She needs to play a popular game instead of playing what her rabid die hard fans want.

>>63768543
you can go watch all the kiwis and pipnigs cry about getting a copywrite strike right now
https://www.twitch.tv/kirsche
go to TVA and you can find all of their accounts with the same names as their twitch accounts

>>63769574
>Pippa fans would be watching kirche instead of pippa

i think you mixed the fanbases here. Overlap is not 1:1 copy

>>63769574
That vtuber is getting more viewers than all of idol lol
I wonder who is seething here

>>63769706
>Pippa fans
>watching a Pippa shill stream where she isn't allowed to be based and redpilled
rumao

>>63769786
>Twitch numbers

>>63769706
you can look up nearly all those people in chat easily and see that they are all pippa fans
the creator of TVA is in chat and hes pipnig prime

>>63767895
TRANSPARENCY BY THE WAY

>>63769574
Why do I feel when pointing out the obvious that a small chunk of a larger fanbase is not indicative of the whole makes me feel stupid..

>>63769574
Pippa doesn't talk about drama and actively avoids mentioning other corps, stop seething jew, not our fault you guys are getting drama, you retards used to do cartwheels about yuri when she was graduated

>>63769900
https://www.youtube.com/live/QzVvlSrfubA?si=eWWH3aO9wZoI7fcN
>muh twitch numbers
Even on Youtube she mogs all of Idol except the asexual shorts spammer

>>63769706
Pippa is playing Genshin, meanwhile a Pippa-orbiter who panders 5x harder to them is doing a drama stream. They are dramafags of course they will watch the drama stream

>>63769574
i watch Pippa for over 2 years and i took a scroll and recognized one, ONE name. Keep coping idolcuck

>>63760738
It's because they're just better than you expected them to be

>>63770082
>Not even a 4view despite leeching off Pippa every single day and copying her gimmick to steal her audience.
Wow that's more sad than I thought, she should post her tits here or pander more to this site instead of the fruit one, even Pippa understood you fruits are worthless.

>>63770039
she doesnt talk about it ANY MORE

>>63766686
reps anon

>>63770039
She made fun of Idol's Riro with her drugs comment and EiEN's girl with the chair directly referencing the selling of the chair.

>>63770398
the only corpo she's ever really clowned on was eien with the bf ass chair drama, even when she hinted at not liking rin it wasn't direct and it wasn't more than "stop using gura's tags for noombers"

>>63770569
she did? I thought she dodged that one, but then again it's pretty hard to avoid with how big the
drama is online

>>63770296
Isn't it tiring moving the goalposts so much jewanon? Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>63767663
Phase got the best part of CL and is now grabbing up the rest of tsun, phase has a better spread of talents too while idol is very one note for the most part

>>63770680
I think it's also the models that are really hurting the corpo, they lack a general identity and they all look too flashy and incoherent, screams "tryhard corpo" and the way they've advertised so far really shows

>>63769574
I'm surprised, she's being reasonable about the whole thing. Even the retard who restreamed members-only content admitted he only did it to see what would happen.
And yet I bet everyone is still going to try blowing this out of proportion for who knows how long.

>>63770570
>stop using gura's tags for noombers
Some phase talents used to do that too tbf.

>>63770570
Regardless Pippa herself is fine, that doesnt make her doxnigger, dramanigger, thread raiding fanbase any better
there is a reason every single VTMEME TAKES BANNED FROM TWITTER account is a Pippa shill account

>>63770846
We ignore those.
Whatever you dont absolutely dont check Pippas shorts and look for hololive thumbnails (all of which have more viewers than her own)

>>63770645
Yes. Pippa's own fan account shows the clips of her dissing rival companies
>EiEN
https://files.catbox.moe/iouh0d.mp4

>Idol
https://twitter.com/bannedvttakes/status/1730450914907980056

>>63771100
kek, ngl that was funny, don't have to take it that seriously

>>63761364
Nene and the 9(+8 dead) dwarves

>>63758513
What about V4Mirai, Vreverie, or Pixel Link?
Each of those have members that are 3 views.

Are numberniggers STILL seething at small corpo unity?
I swear to god, they've been trying to start a Phase vs Idol corpo war for a YEAR now. No one gives a shit.

>>63771100
This fucker is probably doing the biggest disservice to phase ever. If I was management I would try to force him to stop "shilling" the company also to make it even more funny he's a fucking indian.

>>63768891
I cummed like 5 times to that, what a little slut.

>>63771324
its literally just kiwifags

>>63771100
>bvtm

>>63771444
yes BVTM is a Pippa shill account and constantly shits on Idol

>>63771364
He already got banned once and he's still doing the same thing so it's impossible to stop him, his kind craves retarded shitposting.

>>63771508
the guy is a shadow of what his page used to
be, I have no idea why you guys are still getting upset about him, you do realize he gets off to you guys bringing him up?

>>63770680
I mainly watch Hime, Airi, Uruka, and Lia, and I’ve been trying out dizzy lately. That’s the thing about phase—you can get different content, but they also have unity so it somehow works.
When IdolEN debuted, I tried them out and found out my favorite was Juna. That…uh, made it hard to actually talk about content I liked in the thread that literally pretends she doesn’t exist. But also, I’ve heard lately she collabs with indies and NijiEN? I have no idea if that’s typical of the rest of the corpo but I don’t feel like there’s nearly as much unity.

>>63759013
Rin is the same size as Tenma so idk what you're talking about.

>>63771933
People in there generally don't like Juna because she has collabed with males a few times, same for Rin. Yeah, welcome to /vt/, we're all that petty in here. She works very hard though and all her genmates love her, I don't watch her often but I really respect how many covers and even original songs the girl has already done in one year.

>>63769574
3:11:44 when dude starts talking
https://gofile.io/d/iyc0cR

>>63762295
>Sakana clearly is not interested in
Kevin was seething about wanting to get bigger but stuck in the mid-size during his collab with Airi. Imagine being your birthday and being told
>you're too small, grow more
He literally said
>we can do better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Ohd3t5Dno&t=6442s

>>63773186
1:47:22

>>63771755
this dude was shitting on Lia for days after her donothon yab

>we could probably do better
So what does this mean? Nijisanji level?

>>63773420
Phase talents are routinely beating some of the smaller Nijis, especially the new wave or forgotten talents like Aia or Scarle. Even discounting Lumi on the twitch side, Shiina, Tenma, and Lia are all close to 4view range, which would push all Phase talents up to mid or high 3view.

>>63773521
Well Phase and Niji both did sponsorships for the same Mahjong company. Maybe he is following the Niji playbook to some degree minus the males

>>63773521
I’m honestly curious to see if it happens. They’re still a small corpo and it doesn’t feel possible, but it *is* NijiEN we’re talking about here…

>>63773675
…NijiEN has done majsoul collabs? I’ve always thought of Phase Connect as the mahjong soul corpo.

>>63773675
>Maybe he is following the Niji playbook to some degree minus the males
Fishman has explicitly said that Gen 3 is the last normal gen for awhile, he hates acceleration.

>>63773699
If Buggy D. Clown can become a Yonkou then Fishman can turn Phase into a Big Corpo and join the Big 3 as the Big 4 or maybe the Big 5 if Idol survives Riro's termination without losing any other members.

>>63773800
This. Lumi confirmed it in a stream where she admitted to sending Sakana potential new talents and he complained about it already being too much. Phase can always add 1 or 2 new talents through the Invaders branch. We likely won't see Gen 4 for at least a year or two.

>>63773770
No. NijiJP.
>>63773800
What I mean is that Holo has a pseudo-idol image and the girls censor what they say a lot while Niji livers speak more openly, even if it comes back to bite them. Or at least that was the plan before the nijis got addicted to self-censoring themselves to please twitter.

>>63758999
PHASE WAS BEHIND THE SEX SCANDAL!?!??

Lemon woman this was your doing wasn't it

>>63768711
>It's still Holo vs Niji.
Then it's still DOA as always.

>>63773919
I wouldn't be surprised if between now and the 4th gen of phase that they gain some invaders like one or two that cover a different kind of fan or audience but yeah I think it doesn't make sense for the short to medium term future to get more talent considering that a lot of their phase 2 girls are not close to 100k subscribers and it will probably won't be till 2025 that a gen 3 member hits 100k

phase connect started shit with idol corps 1st https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGpkHnkt83s

/vt/ tribal wars
-nijisanji and hololive fans starting some stupid shit between each other.
-Vshojo hiring ex-talents from other agencies causing conflicts with those vtuber agency fans
-Nyanners or ironmouse started some shit with Pippa causing a conflict between vshojo and phase connect fans.
-Henya collabing with Pippa and Tenma resulted in a ceasefire or peace agreement between Vshojo and phase connect fans.
-What hololive and nijisanji view each other is how phase connect and idol corps view each other.

>>63774349
I don't think phase works by subscriber count, but by ccv. They let everyone in the previous gen get to 3view before making a new one.

>>63758513
I watch Idol everyday but let's be honest, this shit doesn't matter. Small corps war is nothing compared to Hololive giants. It's like fighting for bread crumbs. Neither of those groups will ever reach Hololive, or even Niji of Vshojo heights.

>>63761364
I really like Reina and Shee. Cant get my head around why Nene gets so much hate in this board tho.

>>63775187
Wrong!
Lia and the JPs were still 2view when Invaders1 and Gen2 debuted. They just have circumstances delay them because of artist menhera but the circumstances end up working out for the best and avoids acceleration

>>63775187
Nasa and Michiru and maybe even Iori were 2views until pretty recently, anon. Definitely at the time gen2 debuted and probably still when invaders 2 was announced.
I think they just have a timetable, and they follow it as long as things are close to projection.

>>63759964
lmao this many times is really weird. Now I am curious if the same happens to other vtuber corps. If not then it's definitely botting.

What's the order of the other English speaking companies? Is it 4 phase 5 idol 6 vreverie 7 eien 8 v-dere 9 prism 10 v&u 11 kawaii 12 my holo tv 13 pixel link 14 brave group 15 real corp or lucid?

>>63770039
Kiara and Ollie

>>63775372
It's a raid. People fall asleep watching Pippa, they leave their computer on, she raids, they wake up after a while and turn it off. Some of them even watch.

>>63761364
KEK
The only good thing to come out of that shitfest was picrel

>>63775379
#6 is unironically still Kawaii. I’m not joking. It’s unclear who the others are, since the list of kaigai vtubers in the bottom range are filled with SEA and TW corpos plus KR indies. But it probably means they’re way far down there.

>>63769574
I like Pippa alot, but every time she collabs with this /vt/ sister of a vtuber it's ends up being one of her worst streams. Really wish Kirsche just stuck to talking about TERA or her funny Boston escapades instead of stupid drama all the time.

Is the ghost girl idol or phase connect? She cute and doesn't curse that much
I like seiso chuubas
I'm still not watching because I don't have more time for this shit I want a western corpo that at least pretend to be idol-like or seiso
I'm tired of western whores

>>63775989
>kawaii
Major cope. Prism is leagues above them.
Kawaii is #8 after Pixel Link

>>63776090
Kawaiikeks constantly forget that Prism's Shiki propelled their kickstarter to completion otherwise no 3D concert at all. Therefore Prism > Kawaii

>>63775989
SEA and Koreans make the best EN vtubers, try me.

>>63775379
>8 v-dere
bro get real

>>63776069
Agreed. Kirsche is nothing but a shameless grifter

>>63758513
This battle only really exists here, I really don’t see the same level of tribalfagging anywhere else. Both corpos have risen out of the 2view hell that earlier small corpos had to deal with so they should be proud of what they’ve accomplished.

>>63776090
Ok, so I didn’t realize v4mirai was an EN group, and it seems their members are around the same level as kawaii. But I don’t see PRISM anywhere in here. Idk if they count as JP or what, but I know they’re obscure.
I have no idea why VDere doesn’t appear either, but I assume it’s just because of all the SEA and KR vtubers.

>>63776090
V dere is pretty strong right now but your right, it only has 4 members, I think realistically it's around ,v&u and kawaii territory

>>63775379
the people have spoken

>>63761909
Anonchama... Idol is now known for pay-to-fuck-your-oshi (after her manager) and I don't think any earlicking crap will ever topple it.

>>63776490
Prism is owned by Sony music Japan so they are considered Japan yes

>>63776490 (me)
Needless to say, I don’t see pixel link or vreverie or any of the others in here either

>>63769574
Why is it this Pippa friend in particular that she always collabs with? Other collab friends like sleepy and that Flavr girl tend to be good but it's always Kirsche that ends up being a shitshow

>>63776490
Because VDere is a GROUP, not an Agency. An agency is backed and funded by a couple larger investors or more usually 1 CEO figure. A group is just friends that collab a lot.
The official twitter lists it as a group.
https://twitter.com/VirtualDere

>>63776585
Because Kirshe is a kiwi and almost her entire chat is filled with kiwis and one of her big regulars is the dude who made the kiwifarms split

>>63776569
Vreverie is based out of Singapore I believe, pixel link I forgot.

>>63776630
I mean I couldn’t find their names among the indies either

>>63776630
>An agency is backed and funded by a couple larger investors or more usually 1 CEO figure
that's a retarded definition
you are telling me they could hire managers, debut new gens, get group sponsorships, and they'd still be just a group of friends that collab a lot?
inb4 it is an hypothetical, I'm not saying they did that

>>63762468
My knees...

>>63758771
>althright
there are a few rats there grooming the other girls into communism

>>63776855
Indies can have managers too, but there's also no real power structure, no audition process, no continuous funding behind their model updates or assets. There will likely never be a real new gen drop, it's not like the existing 4 girls will pool their money to hire talents under them.

>>63776749
Seems like this chart is just good for comparing idol and phase to Hololive and Niji then, it's missing a lot of the biggest hitter in small corpos scene

>>63776490
>Pippa has higher ccv than the Lazulight girls
KEK

>>63762440
>>63763343
holy crap, it's true, threads outside pcg are very ESL

>>63776073
this has to be bait lmfao

>>63776996
>no real power structure
as long as they decide to act as a group there will be a power structure though, only difference is that instead of a chinese cryptolord they'll have to come to decisions together
>no continuous funding behind their model updates or assets
where do you think money comes from in corpos? they just cut the middleman and manage their finances themselves
>There will likely never be a real new gen drop
I'll concede on that, but they do have a audition section in their contact form, until they remove it or debut a gen they are in a grayarea
and even if they don't you wouldn't call a 1 gen corpo a "vtuber group" just because they don't have plans to debut new talents

In the EN space its HoloEN, Vshojo, NijiEN then a big distance and idol and phase coming in. Phase and idol are distant because even though nijien declined, overall they still are far above in subs, ccv and revenue.
and overall its Nijisanji and Hololive, then VSPO, then Vshojo and then other agencies

>>63777759
It's Hololive>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vshojo>>>>>Niji>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phase>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Other agencies

>>63778147
Are these "other agencies" even real?

>>63758513
Phase needs to have mixed gen like nijisanji if they want to win

>>63758513
It was Phase before, and it's still Phase now, more than ever. Idol just fucked up big time. They failed to advertise their talents to a large demographic so now they're stuck mooching to paypigs and whoring themselves out.
The only people of worth in this company are Roca, Rin and Fuyo, but they're stuck in a sinking ship. I have zero hopes for Idol ES.
>t. /jidf/fag