/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Bad upbringing

>>63716839
Playing video games for a few hours a day in exchange for hundreds of thousands of dollars is too much effort for modern white American woman. Pureasu understando.

>>63716839
Based-peko

>>63717032
Gura is a jew. She's not white

>>63716839
They never had to work a real job before.

>>63716839
Pekora's actually uniquely dedicated, especially for someone at the top. Most of HoloJP doesn't stream that much. Aqua has averaged single-digit streams this year, last month she streamed four times.

Having to deal with retarded jap management is part of it. Not really a problem for JP chuubas since they dont know any differerent

>>63717229
>most
You mean a few.
Many of those who don't stream a lot are releasing music projects every other week like Marine and Suisei.

>>63716839
I think 35% of JPs get burnout/start coasting while it's closer to 50% in EN. ENs being appalled at how retarded a JP company can be can explain the difference.

>>63716839
People will always get tired of working. The phrase “Do what you'll love, and you'll never work another day in your life.” is meaningless when you have to do it consistently, under a corporation giving you certain orders and restrictions, to the point where you lose creativity and passion then it stops being out of enjoyment and more out of obligation or necessity. There's a lot of things I can say i'd do forever and for whatever price but even I know it can get to a point where i'll get sick of it eventually.

>>63717435
So far Pekora has averaged >1 stream/day in 2023. That's just on her channel. Yes, most, I don't keep track of every member but almost, if not literally, no one else streams that much.

>>63716839
>en audicence = crazy unikeks/chuds
>jp audience = wholesome fans

>>63717651
they think they need the Mr. Beast approach and one-up the last stream, some times being consistent is all it takes

>>63717860
>they think they need the Mr. Beast approach and one-up the last stream
But their streams have been getting more rote and less creative too

>>63717651
samefag but to add onto playing games for a living, the entertainment industry is also rotting in a lot of fields; AI can do things easier for you sure but it makes shit soulless and there's barely anything out there with replayable value while AAA titles are being btfo by small indies but both equally take too long to put anything fun out

>>63718074
I don't know what else you want me to say
I did notice Ame wanted to improve her streams and it got to a point where she kept hitting literal setbacks or just not getting the numbers for it. In most of her 3D streams you could see she wanted more

>>63718262
I watched one Ame 3d stream this year.
She was walking on a threadmill.

>>63717154
what miko said makes me sad for real

>>63716839
you'll get meme answers about how the lack of streams is "the laziness of zoomers" or w/e

But that actual reality is that vtubing selects people who are disproportionately dysfunctional. A common trait amongst all female vtubers other than mostly being under 25, is heavy depression.

While depression itself isn't unique, vtubers tend to be women who are too socially maladjusted to function in normal society but have (prior to becoming vtubers) build up a niche following online for posting song covers or silly videos, which they leverage into becoming streamers. It's no secret that Cover/Niji take view count into consideration when hiring but this doesn't reflect an ability to consistently output.

(This curated fandom is also how they get most of their social stimulation).

Because they're typically shut-ins or semi-reclusive, they don't exercise much, so they get ill easy (also disincentivising work) or further depressed due to diminished dopamine levels/sunlight/social interaction. Which compounds any existing mental illness. Some of this mental illness will be hereditary or a product of lived experiences like assault or abuse. So it's not easy to hand wave.

But it doesn't change that internet communities - especially anime adjacent/fandom communities - act as safe havens for outsiders including those with mental illness to a degree that they're disproportionately represented vs the general population.

But again, because most vtubing draws directly from this pool of uniquely maladjusted people, and throws them into a high pressure environment, so you end up with organisations stacked with poorly skilled workers with limited life experience (not their fault they're young) to help offset their own shortcomings.

Yet, the entertainment industry as a whole is still able to overcome this to a greater degree (for every 1 person who ends up a washed up addict, 10 with the same problems keep it together), why? good management and support systems/structures to keep people doing their job.

So the other major problem is that most vtuber managers are half the world away, possibly have poor understanding of how to navigate mental illness (you'd be expected to know this in the west but not Japan) and also have a cultural gap. So most vtubers are operating at arms length and if they suddenly have a life crisis, the best they can expect is a phone call, maybe an expensed therapist in a month's time.

Where as in any other industry, if you're going through some shit, a co-worker or a boss can take you aside and get hands on with an issue, as well as being able to pick up on warning signs of, idk, say a breakdown, earlier.

>>63719541
go back streaming then

>>63717683
> Oh no no no her name showed up on discord "x keks" our response!?!
Unicorns deserve the rope. This is some highschool tier shit.

>>63719812
That's a lot of words just to say white girls are lazy.

>>63717229
Retard = more stream is hard work
dumbnut
more stream JP side = jobless lol, not having any music project
look Koyori now, less stream isn't it?

>>63716839
Lack of professionalism. Simple as.
Japs might have a dying population but they still have functional homes and both parents. Dysfunctional westoids who go into streaming come from broken homes, narcissistic behaviour and for the money instead of genuine love for streaming.

>>63717229
So you're saying that Pekora is the Mori of JP?

>>63720809
No. The point was that Cover et al needs to change how they hire/scout talent and support their talents better. Any organisation without effective management will inevitably atrophy

>>63717229
4 streams more than gura.

>>63716839
People on this board should stop using "en vtubers" when they mean "hololive EN" VShojo was just shy of 228 hours streamed last week.

>>63728005
Nobody cares gunrun

>>63717683
>>63720465
cope sisters

>>63717154
This.
At least Mori and Kiara know what it is like when you work in menial jobs.
FWMC know struggles in obscurity.
Only lazy princesses deserve guillotine.

>>63716839
Western mentality vs Eastern grind mindset

There are plenty of JPs who burn out and severely cut down their streaming time or stop streaming for long periods of time. Even if you're keeping it just to Hololive specifically off the top of my head, Aqua, Shion, Marine, Ayame, Matsuri, Haachama, and Polka have gone on streaks as bad or worse than Gura.

>>63716839
they are mostly privilege white cunts that never had a real job before and were brainwashed to believe they worth more that they actually do.

>>63728005
Ironmouse has said before that she's an extrovert and uses streaming to distract her/ act as a substitute for the real world social interactions she can't really have. Usually when she's not streaming herself she's still on other people's streams. She's on henya's stream right now for example.

>>63716839
>What's the deal?
japanese dont hate women

>>63729130
All those you've mentioned (except Shion the zoomer lol) burnt out because of working themselves to death. What has Gura...done?

>>63729712
me

>>63716839
Pekora worked for her sucess. Gura was granted a big audience from the get-go and did absolutely nothing to maintian it or try to improve herself as a streamer. Gura's been on a decline ever since Myth's 1st year (arguably before it, but Concil jolted her into trying for a bit longer) anniversary so the "burnout" excuse is bullshit. Just graduate you stupid fucking whore.

>>63728740
Marie Antoinette did nothing wrong, she was out doing charity work while schizo antis made up lies about her. She never even said "let them eat cake", a favorite fake story schizos repeated about many royals/nobles throughout history. She refused to waste money on a diamond necklace, then thieves forged her signature to steal it, but antis kept claiming she did buy it.
That said, she would have been killed no matter what because rebels just wanted to enact their "Reign of Terror" by killing everyone who opposed them.

>>63730655
Simp.

>>63716839

>>63730655
> She never even said "let them eat cake"
But Gura said us to buy merch?

>>63716839
Real answer?
It's because JP companies are cartoonishly discriminatory and basically expect their EN talents to work insane hours with zero logistical support while providing every limitation under the sun. Most of the time they and their managers don't even speak the same language and even in the offhand chance they do, they are laughably underqualified. And the corporation often just flat-out lies to them about their intentions - see IRyS with Project Hope and how they did literally nothing for two years before killing the thing which only existed in name anyways. Ame literally had to build her own 3D studio because Cover was so useless. Can you name even one JP which has done this? They have to work twice as hard to produce half as much. And this is all set against a backdrop of unfairness – see Kiara’s discontent with how her JP senpais were given concerts on their first year while Myth passed their third anniversary months ago without ever once receiving the same. It’s a gauntlet on physical, psychological, and emotional fronts.

Incel meme answer for which this echo-chamber thread was really made?
Western wimin whores etc. Also the Jews and their fluoride.

>>63730628
you are either likeable or not. simple as that.

how much work do you think someone like hitomi tanaka did in her entire life?

>>63716839
HoloJP is treated better by management.

>>63731720
>japan company that has their resources in japan
kudos to ame for putting up some padded walls and yoga mats down but damn son
>kiara complaining
japan is a small country and takes a few hours by train to probably maybe get together at a studio
meanwhile myth is all over the fucking place. and after a quick googling you can fit 26 japans inside america, not counting canada where squidgirl lives or somewhere in europe for kiara. i dont know where the other ens live but its probably not convenient from a cost standpoint to set up in america anytime soon

>>63732116
> japan is a small country and takes a few hours by train
Aren’t all JP living in the same apartment in Tokyo? For their convenience of security, business, and Yuri sex?

>>63717136
Suddenly, it all makes sense.

>>63717136
just because you say something doesnt make it true

>>63717136
>>63732700
>>63732842
jews are white tho

>>63733172
They very much aren't. Genetically they are related but so are pajeets and the lovely residents of Carbombya, being related doesn't make them white any more than a Korean can be Japanese.

>>63732463
no idea but the idea of 30+ female co-workers living that close together sounds like a bad idea

>>63731720
>Irys
>did literally nothing for 2 years
>hired as a vsinger
>never does karaoke streams or release covers/original songs

>>63732463
Yes, and I'm the landlord

>>63731725
Irrelevant to the thread, shitskin

>>63717032
>>63716839
Why are white women usually lazy? Is it genetics or environment or a combination of both?

>>63716839
>Why do EN vtubers always burn out?
you don't leave your little holodrone bubble very often do you?

>>63716839
「Oh, it's Same-chan, I haven't seen in a while」; Pekora doing a watchalong stream of the summer party 3D live.

>>63716839
Aren't the Japanese use to working such long hours and doing alot more with little to no sleep? There are tons of videos of Jap. employees passing out in the streets right after/before work because they are so tired, and that's seen as normal. Westerners are use to having it a little easier in the work force, so even a simple and easy job such as being at your computer for 5-6 hours to stream a game is difficult to them.

>>63717229
>Aqua has averaged single-digit streams this year, last month she streamed four times.
And Aqua is why hololive is still here. You give her thanks for the shit she pulled in 2019 and 2020.

>>63716839
EN vtubers were always bandwagoners copying what became successful in Japan without understanding why that happened. And once they got a taste of money by not doing anything, why even bother with putting up a charade?
It's like work from home, once you got a taste of it during the lockdowns, you would never want to go back to the office

>>63733484
They have covenants in Tokyo, too.

>>63734692
>punching down her depressed coworker
What a bitch

>>63716839
Dealing with SEA and EU cancer is hard

>>63716839
It's literally just 3 members of myth who are "burned out". They hate you faggots. Thats it.

>>63735308
The weak should fear the strong.

>>63734957
Gawr “Kaiser” Gura the legend.

>>63716839
There are two types of HoloENs: those who joined to be on the stage and those who joined to stream games. The formers have kept their hours high because they stream to connect with their audience who support them on the stage and it revitalizes them. Streaming is their handshake event, not their main product. The streaming group on the other hand sees streaming as their peak moment and as such they focus on more things than just enjoying it. There's also the fact that the stage group enjoys being in the spotlight more and as such dealing with the public pressure is easier for them whereas the streaming group tends to be more introverted and as such they can't handle the pressure for extended amounts of time.

>>63717229
Aqua actually earned it for the miracles she performed during hololive's humbler days. She can coast all she wants unlike the complacent ENwhores that got their success handed to them on a silver platter.

>>63735666
>either type is a loser seeking attention so desperately and miserably.

>>63735666 (cont.)
I just realized I didn't really answer the OP, so:
The reason why EN vtubers burn out is because when your only goal is to stream, it's easy to reach your peak and then become complacent with what you have. Those that don't burn out have goals beyond just pushing the 'go live' button on OBS. Pekora wants to hold the title of the #1 female streamer. Koyori wants to connect with all of her colleagues. Mori chases the Billboard Top 100, Kiara wants her sololive and dancing with her beloveds on stage together, Nerissa wants to lick Kiara's pussy for the rest of her life, and so the list goes. Why ENs burn out is a lack of ambition and goals they could strive for which turns them content with what they have on the bare minimum and they won't feel compelled to stream.

>>63732463
>>63733484
>>63735234
wait a second... what if... what if they are all nuns???

>>63731720
sadly cover didn't literally do nothing with project hope. they liked to release her songs and covers without telling her. they also have her either forgettable generic songs or songs that seemed designed to fuck up her vocal cords

>>63730655
>we like Marie Antoinette now

>>63716839
Gura is a different case. She's that type of a person who managed to succeed with minimal effort, so she never learned the struggle, the hard work, the discipline, the fear, the hunger. Good times and favorable algorithms create weak men and all that.
Not really her fault, too. She's a victim of circumstances and her own character.

>>63716839
Women overthink things and american women especially don't take care of their mental health. So they burn out.

>>63716839
>Be a western girl
>Want to have an easy job so pick up streaming
>Join Japanese company for a shortcut to success
>Japanese company expects you to have the Japanese work ethics
>Get burnt out is less than a year

>>63717032
this
>>63717136
that has to be the most retarded bs i've ever read here

>>63716839
Gura gained a million subs just for saying "A" and normies on lockdown latching onto that meme. She's spoiled and her recent behavior isn't surprising at the least.

>>63716839
JP girls are better at hiding it, heck they HAVE TO hide it because they got fiercer antis.

>>63733399
jews have been white in america for over 100 years

>>63722813
>Cover et al needs to change how they hire/scout talent
this right here

>>63719812
this armchair psychology is so retarded, fucking hang yourself, anon

>>63734476
the answer is upbringing

>>63732116
>meanwhile myth is all over the fucking place
If JP management agreed to their live, and told them to be in studio on a specific day, they would fucking pack their bags asap and fly there to get shit done. They would announce a break, quickly scramble some nice Myth collab stream while they are all together in Japan anyway, and their fanbases would know they are cooking something special, excusing less regular streams for a while.
But they will never get their live at that rate. Ame wants to use her special models, but now she has to get permissions every fucking time, further killing her enthusiasm. Is Myth lazy? Probably a bit. But retarded management doesn't help them when they are left in the dust while homos get new branch, more advertisement, or you have HoloX that's shilled to a disgusting degree.

Six years, no slowing down.

Get you an oshi that cares.

>>63716839
>woman gets an easy job
>people give her way too much money
Honestly not surprised she got lazy. Asian woman seem to be built different though, they actually enjoy work.

>>63730655
Based and true. Even Napoleon was disgusted at the rebels for what they were doing.

>>63738706
It's honestly amazing how many people watch Zen considering the TTS debuff. I kind of wish it didn't filter me so hard.

>>63716839
Impressive how it seems like Ayame and Shion don't exist for this thread. I guess that these "Hololive fans" here don't really know about Hololive.

>>63716839
Because woman are allegric to the lack of cock and plying games they also like drama so they farm it

>>63716839
Gura isn't a white person

>>63716839
Pekora has experienced what being poor is like. Is always grateful since she knows where she came from.
Gura has been a spoiled rich kid her whole life. is never grateful and just sees fans as horrible neckbeard pedos.

When you go from nothing to something then you are always grateful no matter what. This is why Pekora never burns out. Every time she goes live she is surrounded by friends who loves her and she loves them.

Y’all be hatin on white girls but y’all forget Natasha nyanners be white and she ain’t burn out

>>63741959
What’s up with the nignog speech? Please speak English.

>>63740967
They are lazy zoomers. You can’t expect anything good coming from japanese fps loving zoomers. They are too busy fucking around with male streamers.

Yeah honestly it's a combination of what people said
>cultural, ie white people are lazier esp. in creative works
>logistic and frustrations due to cover
>not knowing how bad a real job/being poor is
>lack of a concrete ambition beyond just streaming

>>63717154
This is precisely what boomers call "building character".
When you've never experienced any hardship in your life, never worked hard, and get handed money, fame, adoration on a platter then you'll never work hard.

>>63716839
no work ethic

>>63742390
Yo nigga I be black n sheeeit

>>63719812
>A common trait amongst all female vtubers other than mostly being under 25
dyrbi?

>>63719812
hello fellow redditor!

>>63738706
Isnt this a dude with TTS? I dont watch vshojo

>>63742929
The good thing about vtubers is that you can just imagine whatever makes you feel happy.

>>63737665
Marie Antoinette was always good, terminating her for imagined yabs was dumb.

Most working class Japanese work 50+ hour weeks.

Pretty good motivator to keep doing the job where all you have to do is play video games for two hours every other day.

>>63742891
Filian... is a redhead????

>>63730655
This.
Fuck the French Revolution, royalty is ALWAYS correct and in the right.

>>63716839
the west is weak

gura is a trust fund baby who's never had to work a real job in her life. end of thread.

>>63716839
They should stop playing with fire

>>63716839

>>63735308
She's not really a coworker at this point...

>>63731720
Bro they just have to stream and they make money, it's not that hard.

>>63738693
The only way do it ine o to ne take with how busy is the studio is to do a Live Live.
And only Mori and maybe Kiara would be able to do it.
Most of the 3d concert are multiple recording done at different days and weeks of differences all mashed up in one concert and they also have to do reherasal.
They would need to stay a month in japan to do a fully complete concert.

>>63716839
In the case of OP image. Pekora likes to stream, her job is also her hobby, while for Gura, streaming is something she loathes heavily, but since she's an useless upper middle class spoiled womanchild, there's no better job out there for her

>>63716839
EN Vtubers were inspired by EN fleshtubers who do almost entirely different things, and they can't do those things in hololive.

Hard work deez nuts. I admire laziness and despise hard work. Work smarter not harder

>>63719812
Where do I meet these girls. They seem like my type of lady

>>63716839
Asian culture is all about saving face. They'll chew their own legs off before losing face. Westerners are more open and honest about their feelings.
This results in great work ethic in Asia, but also stifles creativity and happiness.

>>63751722
Honestly, at this point I hope when Pekora graduates she keeps being an entertainer. I get the feeling she has a lot of potential simply because she can keep working this hard and intrinsically understands what's funny.

>>63719812
So what does this make Subaru?

>>63741602
Pegora is cool but she dont make my penor hard

>burnt out from playing video games
wish i had their job

>>63754276
Start streaming wagie

>>63716839
Now replace Pekora with Ayame

>>63754299
I'm not female and lack the charisma to be a fleshtuber, it's over

>>63717032
>>63734476
>white

Yeah, it's white women that are the laziest.

Dey all unemployed collecting welfare wif dey 10 jits. Black queens work HARD for what dey got. Das rite.

>>63754446
Speaking of black I dont think I’ve seen any black vtubers before

>>63754446
Lol, lmao

>>63754508
nobody wants to listen to some disgusting jigaboo shriek about muh reparashuns despite all the lib retards on here going omg i love diversity

>>63754013
>Work smarter not harder

>>63719541
It's nothing unusual. I can relate to passing out on the toilet at a warehouse job from being so tired and not climate controlled at all. Having a hard job makes you appreciate even things like ac.

They need a reminder how lucky they are. I just did my twice yearly twitch follows cleanup. I follow a decent amount of smaller (low dozens to low hundreds ccv) indie twitch vtubers just to scout things out and try to see if I can find the next hololive generation for fun (how I found my current uh... rock oshi.. almost 2 years ago). It's absolutely staggering how many of them have stone cold quit or just faded out over the last 6 months. Removed like 10-15 follows, which was the majority of them, because they hadn't streamed in a few months now, many deleted socials. Some had been trying for like 2~ years to make it and failed. It's a fuckin rough world out there to get noticed as a new vtuber. Anyone who gets into hololive EN gets immediate success and basically guaranteed nice 6 digits salary per year.

Girls like Ame constantly whining about having to get perms is very first world problems compared to not being able to afford rent and having to quit and get a shitty job in retail or something which is what the vast majority of indie vtubers face. Some of these chicks need a wakeup call to get motivated again because they really have it good right now and fucking that up would be the mistake of a lifetime.

Every time this thread gets made, it instantly goes into tribalism lmao

>>63731720
I don't even think it's that bad but there are a lot of limitations other places don't have. This is someone else's list since they said it better:
>Can't play games unless they're approved (half of mainstream games aren't)
>Can't play certain games unless you fill out a form EVERY STREAM
>Can't get permissions for indie games unless the support staff feels like doing their job
>Can't sing karaoke unless it's on your karaoke app
>Can't make any references to brands even if they come up in everyday context
>Can't talk about anything happening irl, history-themed chuuba can't even do history streams
>Can't use custom 3d models or accessories without submitting a form
>Most of your project ideas get shot down for no reason
>What managers do suggest is retarded shit (Gura please sing crazy frog)
>You can fund a project completely out of pocket and have it cancelled at the very end
>Get no support, have to fund your own shit, figure out your own shit, and hope it pleases Cover (else they will just tell you no)

I never though much about it until a bunch of EN projects got canceled this year (ex: Gura's Holofest song releasing; a cover she did canned last moment; the Kaira stuff, etc.).

>>63758359
90% of this applies to US corpos as well in one form or another. People here complaining about generic corpo culture problems and thinking it's somehow unique to Hololive.

>>63730655
>using the term "anti" for historical context
dunno kinda made me chuckle

>>63754013
Only sensible post here
If you work you die

>>63727860
kek....... oh god

>>63759158
Liar. The NA based corpos don't have to deal with ANY of this shit.
Don't talk about shit you have no idea about, Holodrone.

>>63717032
>Playing video games for a few hours a day
I always see this absolutely retarded fucking take in these threads. It is exceedingly obvious you haven't streamed a single microsecond in your life, let alone had to deal with the mountain of extra bullshit piled on top for having to work with autistic management in a company that doesn't even speak your language.

>>63717032
I feel like people who say this don't actually watch any JP girls outside of Pegora korone and koyori. There's a few who are arguably as burnt out and ALMOST as lazy a Gura.
It's sort of like the criticism of EN girls all being whores when I can guarantee everyone who says this has NEVER listened to the average JP girls ASMR lmao.

>>63759602
You think getting game perms is unique to Holo? Do you even know why they're so strict about havings forms for everything? Every major US corpo has legal forms for every and anything that could be a future liability because, like Holo, they all got burned by some dumb shit that no one thought was going to happen, and then it did.

>>63716839
>Gura is burned out
From doing what?

>>63759893
You. Do. Not. Know. What. You're. Talking. About.
The only relevant NA based corpos, vshojo and Phase, do not have game permission autism. They can play whatever the hell they want whenever they want. Hell, not even the Israeli based corpo in Idol needs to get perms for games.
Game permission autism is a uniquely Japanese problem born from their completely ass-backwards broken copyright system.

>>63759917
Having sex with me

>>63760040
>vshojo and Phase, do not have game permission autism
Did they go through Holocaust? No? Then stfu

>>63760146
Nice goal post moving, faggot.
Next time, just don't speak confidently about shit you don't know.

wtf does burn out even mean?
" I can't be arsed"?
"I just don't wanna do it"?
" I just don't care wnough to do it"?

>>63751722
Retard one of these girls held down a real job for year

>>63754508
HeavenlyFather is and he's based.

>>63760640
Lol you don't know what Holocaust was, how new

>>63742462
None of you are Japanese, and you hate white people so I’m assuming jealous 3rd worlders

>>63760040
Idol has mentioned perms

>>63717154
Unironically. Before I made connections and got my education, I was bouncing around warehouses working overnight shifts for minimum wage.

>>63760931
It means you don’t want to be in front of people anymore. Artist means no more mart, Musicians mean no more music, and for Streamers means no more streaming

>>63745440
It's complicated but the royalty and revolutionaries were both wrong and the nobility was right in opposing kneejerk economic reforms that only worsened the financial crisis with disrupted supply chains and hyperinflation.

>>63760640
Come on faggot explain the Holocaust that wiped Subaru's archive

What has EN really worked for? I still think they got everything on a silver platter. I still don't think they ever had to fight to earn their spot in hololive, they didn't go out of their way for lives, connections, and other events. They got everything served from Coco. I get the burnout but this is a fan issue from Gura, not a "burnout" thing. i'd be fucking tired if I had to see the same retarded fuckers whine about how i'm not streaming for your entertainment.

>>63738970
Just give it another shot sometime. I think most viewers would admit to being filtered initially but now Zen gets almost as much discussion as Mouse and Henya