/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Gura, Ame and Ina are still better even without streaming, nice try Deadbeat

>>63066320
better at... breathing air?

That's the power of the idol journey at work, baby. >>63066320 will never know what this feels like.

>>63066320
>>63066394
Oh boy, I sure do love doing nothing all day!

>>63066257
Always was the best

>>63066257
she will always be the worst
all the damage she dealt can not be undone, no matter if she is reformed now
i respect her now in her current form, but i will never forgive her past sins

>>63066893
i'm sure she's ecstatic about having basementdweller1987's respect

>Mori when she started
>"vtubers? idolshit? thats cringe bro, my twitchfriends told me so. I'm just gonna do the bare minimum to boost my music career and not participate in any of this cringe shit"
>Mori after 3 years of hololive
>"gee I sure do love hanging out with all my coworker friends at hololive! I just can't stop collabing with all my wonderful JP senpai, they've become some of my best friends! and I love all my brilliant new EN kouhai too! but most importantly I couldn't have built such an amazing music career without the support of all my fans. I love working hard to bring them great content every day, its so rewarding!"
Any other vtuber reverse corruption/purification stories?

>>63067084
Deadbeats, we fixed her.

>>63066257
>Deadtards believe this
lol

>>63066257
A simple question with a very complicated answer. At the beginning of HoloEN, I think Mori fully anticipated in leaving early and trying to put that clout into her RM's career. As Myth blew up, she realized she wouldn't be able to do that without it ultimately being a step backwards. Because of this, she started just being a normal streamer, and this was how she functioned for a long time, at least until the UMG deal. With the UMG deal, she started realizing that being Mori was her endgame, and not just a stepping stone. She started focusing more and more on her work, both in music and in streams. Tempiss actually plays a massive part in why she's so much better now. Mori really attempted to supercharge them into being at least at a similar level as the girls were early on, but as this pipe dream was shattered, she stuck to the squad (Mori, Kronii, Dumb & Dumber) as collab partners. As Dumb and Dumber quit/were fired, Mori realized that they had done what she originally was going to do, and being so hurt from it made her reevaluate what she is as a vtuber. She's more than just someone that people like watching, and she needs to be able to get along and fit in with the idol dream. It's why she's completely ignored Tempagpag, barely acknowledged her role in Dingo's group cover, and hasn't done any male collabs outside of that cover for months. She's genuinely trying to change for the better now. As all of this has happened, her genmates have all regressed or become burnt out. Ame went full unityfag and is still at that. Ina has her efforts split between commissions and streaming, and has burnt herself out many times. Gura is fully burnt out of streaming at this point, and wishes she could just do promos and concerts at this point. Kiara is very disillusioned with both EN and JP management with how poorly EN has been treated over the last couple years. Mori is the only Myth member to stay 100% focused and moralized on her activities. This isn't to say that any of them are going to graduate, because I can really only see Ame going down that route somewhat soon. Kiara and Gura love the idol dream and would never willingly leave it, and Ina seems very content with her rotation of streaming and taking breaks.

She collabs with Advent. The others don't. Pretty easy answer.

>>63067407
You forgot to mention the fact that before hololive Mori was a JET program english teacher who fell into the usual trap of never making japanese friends and sticking with her gaijin circle. Joining hololive and taking it seriously got her to finally make actual japanese friends, which not only made her both socially and professionally invested in japan and japanese people, but also changed her entire worldview on vtubers and idol culture for the better.

>>63067238
Fuck that, deadbeats aren't the ones who fixed her. You fuckers supported every wrong move she made.

>>63066257
You know, if every single person on planet Earth died, you'd be the best living human on it

>>63067407
anon, your fucking delusion about Mori abhorring male collabs will never pass and it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself more than anyone else
if you like current Mori, go ahead, but don't lie to yourself, she will never treat Stars like air

>>63068298
I forgot it because I'm just learning about it now. Very interesting, though.

>>63068473
I really didn't.

>63066257
Why are you making shitty bait threads like this?

>>63068473
there's a difference between supporting the talent and supporting what the talent is doing, but nuance like that doesn't make for great catalog bait material

>>63069962
Could I support Hitler without supporting what he was doing?

>>63066257
>being the best in her gen?
Still talking about males and collabing with cocks, shill Axel cover with Moona on a collab with FWMC and Biboo.

Still doing cringe songs like SNEAK SNEAK SNEAK

Gura clips from 3 months old streams have more views tham her.

>>63070224
yeah
you could offer him mental help, push him toward solving his personal problems and help them grow as a person
or you could strive to solve the problems that caused people like Hitler to rise in power in the first place, which would involve creation of much stronger and more expansive support network rather than kicking people down because we hold a grudge (which was done to Germany as whole)

but you're the kind of retard that'd compare a girl streaming to a facist dictator so I can't really be too surprised neither of these possibilities came to your mind

>>63070391
so you're saying
>involved in releases with coworkers from different branches, promotes them professionally while they're more eyes on them
>collabs with media companies and obtains extra perms for her branch
>her own channel has by far most monthly views in HoloEN without relying on clips
damn, what a gem

>>63067084
she's totally telling the truth, Mori would never lie

>>63070903
actions speak louder than words

>>63070903
You ok anon? You realize those aren't her actual words but just a summary based on actions she has taken right?

>>63070903
Yeah, she's just doing it all ironically. Streaming nearly every day? Doing Japanese reps? Getting to know her co-workers better? It's all just for the lulz.

>>63071208
No, it's for the money.

>>63066320
Take ame and ina out that sentence

>>63071320
That explains her music career. It doesn't explain her suddenly off collabing with her JP senpai like crazy and becoming close friends with them or supporting and befriending all her EN kouhai.

>>63066257
She's still the worst cuck beat.
The fact she's the biggest leech in EN and still has some of the worst numbers shows how much damage she did to herself, and she only have herself to blame.

>>63066257
Because she's unironically the best example of what an idol actually is. Kiara is the only other one in all of EN. Soon, FuwaMoco will join them, but right now, they're still in the beginning stages, so we'll have to wait and see how their journey plays out.
I think anyone who denies this unironically has no idea what an idol actually is.

>>63066257
Her work ethic makes it clear that she actually values her position as a "job" and thus takes it much more seriously than the comatose shark.

80% of success is just showing up, so statistically doing that already makes you the best kek
In all seriousness I really think Mori was just overthinking it and getting her panties in a bunch over idol culture or whatever. Just be a pleasant collab partner and get people to watch you when you’re streaming with someone else—-in other words, just get back in the holobox.
Mori seems to have gotten the hint that we don’t care if she’s “really” a cute anime idol girl. As long as she joins in on the CGDCT and shows some gap moe, it really isn’t that deep.

>>63067084
>twitchfriends
Twitch streamers were powerful influencers until 2020.
Now, not many companies are willing to put a good price tag on their friendships.

>>63071543
Idols, uhhh, stream video-gaems daily

>>63066257
Antis ran out of things to complain about

Old complaints:
>Fat (no longer true)
>Collabs with homos (resolved through termination of homos)
>Bad music (now only ironically e.g. sneaky neaky)

>>63071425
Oh delusional deadbeat.
After all her bad decisions she realized that she is killing her numbers, and to make amends with the community she had to fall in line.
She is strongly incentivised to make friends, to make herself look someone who is not an outsider, who is not antagonistic against idol culture.
Do you think she could have survived without making friends with Holos and just doing TT and Homo collabs?
Don't make me laugh. She almost killed her career. She's on damage control.

>>63071806
>Fat (no longer true)
You sure about that?

>>63067084
>"vtubers? idolshit? thats cringe bro, my twitchfriends told me so.
This is funny. Twitch basically has a simp culture.
Explain the difference between Twitch's subathon and idol's commercialism.

>>63071885
>her career
Bro you're delusional. Her music career is the money maker, the one she really cares about first and foremost. That's the point. There's no financial incentive to her becoming so buddy buddy with her coowrkers after getting her record deal. You keep talking about muh numbers but vtubing as a career doesn't mean jack shit when you have a record deal. Its literally just something you do for fun at that point, you know, as in because you actually give a shit about it.

>>63072051
Whatever you're on, I want it too.

>>63071425
Gee I wonder why she only does collabs during overlap hours.
It is a mystery.

>>63072136
>anon really believes a vtuber career is anywhere even REMOTELY as significant as landing a record deal with a major label
Its hilarious that you're here calling anyone else delusional. Mori gets her music listened to by people who have never even heard of vtubers, and she's not even that big.
>>63072226
Read >>63072051 retard, anyone who unironically thinks someone with a major record deal would give two fucks about vtuber numberfaggotry is insane and terminally /here/.

>>63072136
I dunno what's gonna convince you bro, her birthday merch sales were higher than Fauna's, she's regularly around top 3 in EN in SC earnings, her albums chart
and all of this is data from when she was arguably way more disconnected from things

>>63072226
are you retarded bro, her regular streaming hours come with like 3-4 people overlapping her?

>>63072320
Mori is aware any overlap kills her stream and numberfags around it. Deal with it.

>>63072503
>terminally /here/

>>63071913
She actually has brought her weight down a lot over the last year. Honestly, she's pretty attractive now.

The coping in this thread is on another level.

>>63068298
>who fell into the usual trap of never making japanese friends and sticking with her gaijin circle
What the fuck are you talking about, dude? This is verifiably false.
>>63068753
You've also got the wrong idea, but it sounds like you just don't really watch her as opposed to anything outright malicious. You're right that Mori didn't really know what she wanted in the beginning, but it had nothing to do with clout. This very idea is 2020 rrat shit that's completely incongruous with the fact that no one including the girls and management themselves thought that holoEN would success like it did, or that it would at all. She's had plenty of growing pains on account of being the least experienced streamer in EN at the time of her debut, but all she's ever wanted to do was her own thing. As far as the homo stuff goes, Mori just felt like she needed to shill Tempus because she's the only one who would, and only ended up vibing with Vesper and Magni. These days, she only does things because she feels like doing them. She's about the last person with any ulterior motives, despite whatever narratives shitters /here/ have been clinging to since the very beginning that she's out to destroy hololive, just because she was available to accept a Kadokawa sponsor to go on some podcast.

>>63072455
This same guy spams this in every thread about her. In fact, as I see more and more Mori threads, I'm recognizing the same few shitters making an appearance every time

easy. she didn't.

>>63071724
And make music, perform live, spread out into different venues, forward the company in some way, show real growth as a person, and real growth as a performer.
Her streaming daily is simply something she likes to do because she actually enjoys chilling with the Deadbeats.

>>63071885
Bro no one talks like this

>>63071885
Whatever you say, schizo. We all know actions speak louder than words, and her actions show true growth as a person. She's been consistent for a long time now.

>>63066257
Second best in her gen.

>>63076293
It's not a big achievement considering that 3/5 are semi retired.

>>63072594
Still got those huge titties tho

>>63066257
>best in her gen
How bad is her gen now? no, I don't watch EN

>>63077500
and thank god for that.

The past week of catalog bait threads have been very amusing and enlightening. Mythfags are still bickering amongst each other as if it's still 2020. Orange woman and pink woman are seemingly going to be the death of hololive anyday now, more than three years later.

Nah she is still shit, the mere existence of Kiara invalidates OP
>>63067084
deadbeats can’t meme

>>63071806
Stone cold facts, the rrats are STARVING

>>63071806
>still cucks her hardcore Fans
>still hides behind „ironically“ bad music
>still speaks like someone after a boondocks marathon
>still annoying in collabs

>>63066257
She is the best just behind gura

>imagine still being a morischizo in 2023
What a pathetic existence

>>63066257
lots of blowbacks
nice senpais
resilient fanbase

>>63071208
All for the bit.

>>63083335
>blowback
More like blown back (by me)

>>63066257
Ame and Gura declined, Ina is stagnant and Kiara is still Kiara

>>63066257
Ame, Gura, and Ina barely stream these days. Leaving only the brapper and the chicken.

>>63077500
Oh, I thought that was what the surgery was about.

>>63067084
Is it me or can anyone even watch this girl for more than 5 minutes? I simply can’t do it.

>>63066257
She streams

the anti list of yabs only went so far and everything on their is almost completely outdated. The perks of the UMJ started to kick in and she decided to funnel everything she can into being Mori Calliope. We're witnessing Mori's golden age right now and I doubt it's going to stop anytime soon.

>>63066257
She improved herself. There’s no reason to anti/hate her anymore besides extremely petty reasons like voice cringe/music cringe. At least it’s obvious she cares about her fans and hololive which is a lot more than can be said of some others…

So long as each Holo is happy with their work and their fans are happy, there is no issue.
Some missteps early in her career aside, Mori found a very good footing. She is happy, fans are happy. Those who are overly critical (or never going to forgive past mistakes) aren't going to be swayed, nor should they be the focus of efforts. Just an idol doing their best and working to inspire others- she learned to understand this.

>>63086778
Once normalfags hopped on the bandwagon and started shitting on Mori’s music (I’m not saying they’re wrong, I’m saying it’s become a dogpile), anons /here/ needed better reasons to hate her than what the normalfags had.
I’m sorry to disappoint everyone, but Mori makes cringe music, did a lot of shit in the past to filter fans that leaves its mark on ccv’s, and talks weird during collabs. That’s about it. That’s enough for me to not to watch her solo content, but not enough for me to seethe every time she’s brought up.
Face it, shitting on Mori for no reason is normalfag behavior at this point.

>>63083874
>Kiara is still Kiara
Perfection.

>>63071885
Anon, I don’t think you’ve realized the “idol culture” (what’s actually only part of it) that mori was (& maybe still is) critical of is that fact that while it cares about both talent & purity, it’s fairly obvious which one those is cared about more. After all, it’s literally a bunch of single lonely men paying for their own girlfriend/wife experience that’s also a combination babysitter & cheerleader. Personally, I kinda sympathize with the this kind of fan so long as they understand this fact & wish only the chuubas who properly understood this would directly cater to them. AND I ESPECIALLY wish those kinds of fan’s understood that they should only ever go to those specified chuubas to fulfill that need. Do I think hololive should be universally forced into that role? Well there’s members from nearly every branch (Suisei, Kobo, Amelia, don’t know about device) that don’t think it should be. Personally I think chuuba’s should be able to decide for themselves without ever being pressured into it by either their company nor their fanbase. I think it’d be great if it was just directly stated by the chuubas as transparently as possible as soon as they’re completely educated & confident about their decision.

>>63087426
Never listened to a single one of her works & not into her solo streams, but I know that one person’s trash can be another’s treasure. Most people don’t need to like it make it profitable, it just has to be enough. And if her success can financially help support other members who you do like; then know there’s a difference between criticizing & insulting.

>>63066257
Cope. She was always the best.
She works hard and makes music that appeals to a wide audience.
Also she's just down to earth, faggot

>>63067407
>>63068298
Thread's over, these are the only correct answers. Unlike most of /vt/, I've actually watched Myth streams since their debut, and Calli now is way more invested and has fun with what she does than when she started. Kiara's biggest issue will always be herself not seeing a bigger picture and speaking way too openly, which her chat just eats up and encourages unfortunately. Fuck Ina.

>>63088861
why the Ina hate?
If it’s her “prudeness”, then afaik she just didn’t want lewd art on her official art hashtag. Any other yab or “yab” I’m unaware of.XS0044

>>63067238
>>63067407
She still cucks you with homocollabs, she had one with ollie just recently. She's also still a wigger, but she puts on that voice, like she's working on a kindergarten for retards, but I guess she isn't that for off with deadbeats

>>63089835
NTA, but Ina is just lazy, same with Ame, the fact that Gura exists makes it harder to notice in comparison.

>>63093039
Kek, idiots like you that think Mori is a wigger make me laugh.

>>63084940
wtf.... Mori PLEASE don't do a pomu... my dick wouldn't be able to take it....

>>63066257
All the others simply stopped trying (except Kiara)

>>63066257
she isnt doing any better streamer-wise. she just gets more jp business than ever, so she looks good now.

the only reason for it is because she realized she can’t make it on her own without the hololive name. At first she clearly wanted to just use it as a stepping stone but was made aware that she wouldn’t have nearly as many opportunities without them.

>>63096719
She's already gotten that opportunity and gura has proven there's zero minimum requirement for hololive, therefore your post does nothing to explain why she's still working as hard as she is at being a vtuber and interacting with her co-workers despite already being signed with a music label. If what you said was true she would have cut back on her streaming activities hard once she got signed.

>>63097386
to her surprise if you go and talk to them most holos are nice people, the ones who aren't nice are only weird. now when she's not working on her music she can play games with girls with varying levels of cute and dumb