/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62923750
Kiara being whiny as usual =/= everyone in EN is unhappy

>>62923750
the solution is simple
cover needs to set up small self-serve 3d rooms that can only track 1 or 2 people

based, no one cares about EN anyway it's full of whores. learn Japanese and watch actual streamers retards.

>>62924527
>dude japanese women are pure

I find Kiara's outspoken ways refreshing. Sure, perhaps you find it annoying at times, but more often than not there's some information that we'd simply not have without her. I value that.

>>62923750
Promise has been enjoying it since they were officially acknowledged, though. Heck, they got their gen 3D together, too
Kiara should just listen to Mori’s advice
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1726267769535271007

>>62923859
Someone needs to fight for EN. The rest are just too weak to do it. Takes a real woman to stand up for yourself and your friends, and so far Kiara's proven to be the only one up for it. Says a lot, really.

>>62923859
More like most of Myth. Ame sporadically takes a break for a few days to a week, Calli frequently hints at annoyances with Cover and her music deal, Kiara feels neglected and Gura... is Gura.
Only Ina has found a good work/life balance and is content with her what Hololive provides for her.

>>62924938
Or maybe no one else in EN has any of these problems besides Kiara? Hell since 3d lives are funded by talents themselves and are expensive as fuck most of them probably won't even bother to do one.

>>62924938
Maybe Kiara is just the whiniest while the others, despite voicing their complaints now and then, never went that far and just keep working hard towards their goals
Like, nips said it too, but Kiara has a very easy solution to her desire for more 3D performances: move (back) to JP. That’s what Bae is doing next year and she already scored a decent 3D gig as opening act for Riot World One in a few days

>>62925124
>move (back) to JP. That’s what Bae is doing next year and she already scored a decent 3D gig as opening act for Riot World One in a few days
Isn't that exactly what she meant with preferential treatment though? It's literally proving her point.

>>62924938
you sound like a feminist cunt

>>62923750
LMAO no one in HoloEN outside of Kiara gives a fuck about 3d concerts, KFP are being retarded once again baka

>>62925208
Ah yes, cover should reschedule everything because their one solitary euro talent is throwing a pissy fit

I don't give a shit about Kiara, but I'll give the KFP this: I feel like Fauna got kind of heartbroken with Cover in her last Japan stay. No idea what happened and I won't even bother speculating, but I think she shares some of those Kiara feelings and isn't just as open about them.

>>62925241
So noone else in HoloEN cares about the performing side of being an idol? Isn't that sad?

>>62925124
Man I love all the 3Ds that IRyS has had
And all the 3Ds Mori has had (subtract the umg)

>>62925208
are you saying cover should put a studio in austira kek terminally online troons here never understand how business works

>>62925208
3d lives cost so much because of the tech and man-hours needed. What do you think Kiara can do in some moldy apartment in Salzburg or wherever she's living? Make a few looped dances usinc mocopi and record the vocals with some shitty microphone without the rest of audio mixing equipment?

>/here/: massive fucking seethe 'cause oranj womyn bad.
>5ch: praises all around.
Funny as heck.

>>62923859
You are blind and/or a clip only faggot if you have not noticed a decline in EN within the past 2 years

>>62925124
>move (back) to JP.
She's literally willing to fly to japan and live there for multiple weeks at a time. Why do people keep mentioning this as a point against Kiara?

>>62925208
It’s just a matter of logistic, it can’t be helped unless she wants Cover to setup a new studio in NA/EU. Even JP members have to book the studio one year prior and had to reschedule their 3D stuffs countless times (which might get better once Cover gets enough staffs for their new studio to function effectively, but that doesn’t seem to happen anytime soon)

>>62925463
I don't think she has said anything about building a studio outside of JP, all she's asking for is more time for the EN members in the new studio. She's already proven several times she has no issues with going there for it.

>>62925486
the 5ch thread is always full of anti-holo falseflaggers.

Good, vtubing should have stayed as a JP only thing. Inviting the EN sphere into it ruined the entire medium. Hololive would have grown big still if they just kept as a JP only community, would have even preferred CN to be kept rather than expanding into EN or ID

>>62925576
>CN

>>62925313
Maybe Cover shouldn't be retarded and build a studio that's already hopelessly above capacity the moment it's completed? When the JP talents have to wait months for their turn and non-JPs are shit out of look, then the studio is too small / there's not enough staff.

>>62925576
>Inviting the EN sphere into it ruined the entire medium
Nah. Just 4chan's discussions of it.

>>62925576

>>62925576
>would have even preferred CN to be kept rather than expanding into EN or ID

BASED BASED BASED

>>62924527
>no one cares about EN or any of these side branches
>but they should care about me ofc, a kaigai consoomer
Fascinating stuff

>>62925709
Well yeah? If foreign fans still buy merch and stuff from JP members then that's good enough

>>62925550
she seems to overrate and exaggerate "gen events" too much. what jp gen uses it so many times? did gamers even have a concert recently? i cant remember it.

>>62925576
>>62925666
Reminder that Coco, Haachama and Fubuki were right. You bugs deserved what you got.

>>62925666
Imagine all the cool collabs if Hololive stayed in CN. Arknights/Genshin/etc, yet the biggest collab shit they've done was Blue Archive and that was only a shill stream

>>62925576
>CN
kek, Artia invited the EN sphere first
and by EN sphere I mean Twitch + Reddit

>>62925619
Remind me how many holos are from Europe? It’s a big number, and I always forget it.

>>62925745
Unironically what Cover is shifting towards, they know that 90% of the foreign audience are clipniggers that love the JP talents so they will just start their own clipping + translating business instead of having foreign talent

>>62925773
>Coco, Haachama, and Fubuki
You mean the one who caused the biggest shitstorm in Hololive's history, the one who has been contemplating leaving for over 2 years, and the one who blatantly lied about "I'll leave as soon as my faith in the company drops."

>>62925405
Mori had 2 3D lives with Cover and participated in several other members’ 3D lives (Suisei, Lui, Watame, etc.)
IRyS hasn’t gotten her own 3D live yet, but she participated in others’ 3D too. She also said just few days ago that she can get 3D live, but likely won’t be able to go for a 3D concert (with physical venue and all that).
Keep in mind that just because someone could get their 3D lives, doesn’t mean they would do it.
>>62925530
>multiple weeks at a time
Try months. I definitely am not too knowledgeable about how Cover does it, but several JP members have mentioned having to reschedule their events long after the initially planned date

>>62925800
>Genshit
Nice BotW re-skin.

>>62925816
Yes but she was never the one who pushed for an entire branch or to delve into the market, she just provided a place for EN fans to congregate somewhat. Coco was the one who really pushed it forward

>>62923859
I FUCKING LOVE CORPOS
THEY ALWAYS MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS
I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND THEM WITH MY LIFE IF NECESSARY
I DON'T CARE THAT I ONLY SEE THE SURFACE, GIVE ME MORE SLOP NOW

>>62925858
Ok and how many 3d lives has the shitter Astel had?

>>62925852
Yes. And these three women are still worth more than the entire nation of China.

>>62925842
It was basically their business model for non-JP fans before EN was a thing, they know non-JP fans make up a sizable portion of sales for JP members

>>62925486
Two can play that game, anon.
This thread mainly said that Kiara should've used external studio or moved to JP, for example (there were posts sympathized with her, but those were the minority)

>>62925852
This shitstorm blew all of the filth out of the house and kept China seething to this day. It's literally the best thing that has ever happened to Hololive.

>>62925745
But foreign fans also buy from side branches (and many of them are people who would never buy nonenglish media) so you just nuked your own argument thanks kek

>>62925866
Still the largest mobile game for several years

>>62925956
>This thread mainly said that Kiara should've used external studio or moved to JP
There's no issues with this though? Again, like the other anon said, Kiara has no issues with staying in JP for recording this stuff. The issue is they're not giving her or the other ENs any studio time in general.

>>62925920
Coco is a washed up hasbeen now, nobody cares about Haato anymore, and Fubuki is just Hololive's yesman

>>62925959
>It blew all the filth out of the house
idk about that when we now have homobeggars, tourists, and newfags who don't even watch or support any of the members. CN fans at least created a bunch of cool content on Bilibili and provided so much support and opportunities for the girls especially Aqua

>>62925967
I never said foreign fans don't buy merch from the non-JP side? Hello reading comprehension?

>>62926122
And all that support turned to rabid, frothing rage the moment Taiwan was mentioned so I don't know how you think they're different from the others.

>>62925886

>>62925886
Basically nijifags
>Inb4 rent free

Imagine how much better this board would be if EN & ID didn't exist

>>62926003
Cover should really break out a single Excel spreadsheet and learn to manage studio hours more efficiently. Other than that, the only option that sounds remotely feasible is renting an overseas (likely Canadian) studio and allowing the ENs that location. They can’t build another one nor will they without ample reason to.

>>62926208
Once again, because at least the CN fans actually watched streams and financially supported stuff. These new "fans" within the EN sphere don't do anything beneficial to the girls or company but just bitch about idol culture and parasocalism to get easy likes on Twitter and Youtube

>>62926378
This board wouldn’t exist.

>>62926378
This board barely existed before EN lmao, for all the talk about JP this JP that, most people here are EN fags

>>62926378
You do know that /jp/ was the go-to vtuber board before this right

>>62926378
>/vt/ wouldn’t exist
At least I wouldn’t have to read your shitposts, I guess.

Imagine how much better this board would be if it didn't exist

>>62926003
It's not "staying in JP for recording", it's "stay in in JP, permanently" (or until she graduates).
The issue is that according to Holo (JP), the studio is packed so you have to book it long beforehand (Mio tried a full year before her event and they told her the studio is already fully booked - a year! Kiara only did it within 7 months), and sometimes Cover reschedule their recordings to much later as well (this happened to Mori before IIRC). With that said, just travelling over and staying a month for recording isn't "safe" enough, it's understandable that Cover would prioritize those they can get to studio upon short notice throughout the year.
I meant, other anons mentioned it above and in other threads: Mori had her 3D lives with Cover. IRyS hasn't gotten a solo live yet, but she was part of some other members' 3D lives as well. Bae is going to get a 3D gig soon and she hasn't even moved to JP yet. If they are living in JP (and thus, makes it easier for Cover to coordinate), it's not like they would never see any 3D studio time

>>62925576
>>62925666
>>62925800
>>62926122
https://files.catbox.moe/ubwirh.webm
>Taiwan is not China. It is Taiwan.
How's that for your CN superstar?

>>62926341
Nijifags and Holodrones, don't pretend you're better than them.

>>62926446
>financially supported stuff
Didn't Hololive say upon leaving CN that CN market hasn't been profitable for them? I remember people showing SC and Bilibili revenue for HoloJP / CN members and B2 revenue was significantly below HoloJP SC

>>62926728
IIRC it was only Fubuki that had the majority of her earnings from the chinks

>>62926609
>cover is in dire need of more studios, at least one in Japan and one in the USA if they don't want to keep torturing everyone with travelling
>nah fuck it let's spend our money debuting more EN homos

>>62926706

>>62926706
>Literally fake news
Ok why did this never cause a shitstorm then?

>>62926780
Their new big & fancy studio hasn't even fully functioned yet with several recording rooms being unused most of the time. They really need to get more staffs (to be fair, they have been trying to, but staffs don't grow on tree).

>>62926706
You retarded clip nigger out of context anti-China faggot, she was reading a message that said that

>>62925069
Ina also wanted a 3D live for her Bday tho. The only one who is content with not having more 3D stuff is Ame who skipped out on the new years thing.
>Gura is Gura
She was been throwing jabs since 1.5 yrs ago that cover doesn’t give her any 3D stuff and only hinders them.
>muh Gura is too lazy…
To stream, she herself stated she wanted to be Miku, that’s why she shows up to all her Senpais lives that asks her too. That’s why she shows up to all the Cover 3D shows even tho they can opt out like Ame or some JPs.

>>62926706
jej

>>62926859
Cover seriously has got to be one of the most retarded companies ive seen
>Lets spend million if not billions of yen making a massive studio for 3D shit
>What's that, what about hiring staff for it? Let's worry about that after
Like wtf, hiring staff is literally what any company/business/etc will do before they officially open

>>62926930
Yes it is a tech company lead by a tech bro that wanted to be a VR DJ
Of course they are pants on head retarded

>>62926865
Are you really going to claim she didn't know what it meant or implied?

>>62925858
You're a retard. Mori still had to do a birthday karaoke 3D by paying a studio from her own pocket, a Kanauru 3D live for her anniversary and use VR chat for the Jigoku 6 live.
She's not in any better position than anybody else when it comes to Cover's treatment nowadays.

>>62926159
Then why argue that side branches be abolished then you jpshart hahaha

Why are these entitled EN girls complaining so much?
Just shut up and let the huge superchat and merch checks keep rolling in.
Who cares if they won't get to do some lame 1 hour 3D concert that everyone will forget about in a month? They're guaranteed high six figures for clicking Start Streaming in OBS a few times a month so they should be happy for the immensely privileged position they have.

>>62926953
Then the company should just go fully public then, clearly current ownership is not suitable for the size that Hololive has become

>>62926865
>anti-China faggot
saying this like it's a bad thing kek if you were tall enough to look over that wall of yours, you'd know this is the general stance globally, chen.

>>62924938
she's just bitching about stuff she wants because she refuses to understand how and why it doesn't work

woman moment, move on

>>62927174
Because they literally don't matter in the grand scheme of things and Cover seems to share that opinion? JP gets everything first compared to the other branches, the other branches have also stagnated within the past few years.

>>62927271
>Who cares if they won't get to do some lame 1 hour 3D concert that everyone will forget about in a month?
Because Kiara's trying to be an idol and wants to do Idol stuff like performing on stage. It's great to have aspirations.

>>62927319
>General stance globally
Oh yeah that's why practically every country in the world still wants to do business with China and still kowtow to their demands for releasing stuff in the country

>>62925535
Exactly. Na/EU is too spread out. Not worth the cost when EN talents don't live in the same area.

>>62927350
Well then, by all means, everyone in the company should roll over and accede to the chicken's demands. She's the boss, after all.

Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm receiving an update... yes, it appears that she's generally the weakest performing member of her gen, not the boss at all.

>>62926378
And the majority of you retarded niggers wouldn't have even known what a vtuber is lmao. Don't try to act like you aren't a covid tourist yourself

>>62927338
But they do matter because you just admitted that foreigners buy side branch merch as per here
>>62926159
So just the L faggot kekeroo

>>62926865
Sorry Zhang-san, no one likes your shithole, not even your oshi.

>>62927383
Liking someone's money or their food doesn't mean you like them. Take Turkey for example; I love kebabs, but I literally masturbated to those big 2 earthquakes earlier this year.

>>62927271
>Why care to do a good job if you're getting paid anyway
Typical mutt mentality

>>62927288
t. Chinese investor

>>62923750
>Gura
Lazy fuck, no excuse
>Mori
Fucked up but it's improving now
>Kiara
Annoying but at least tries
>Ame
Twitch bitch
>Ina
Boring girls that doesn't even try(don't came with muh chill streamer)
>Irys
Good
>Mumei
Good but always sick
>Fauna
Good
>Bae
Runt for a reason
>Kronii
Average korean woman(aka feminist bitch)

>>62923859
this

>>62925773
>muh chinks
I hate chinks and just for me to prefer they over EN says it all. EN and it's fans are radioactive trash, thank God Coco fucked off from hololive, you fucks still suck her cock after years, do the same as her and fuck off too, subhuman

>>62928286
>prefer they over
>attacks Coco
Peng detected

>>62926609
Wasn't Mio talking about a 3d live with an actual venue?

>>62926609
>the studio is packed so you have to book it long beforehand (Mio tried a full year before her event and they told her the studio is already fully booked
you know, been wondering for a while but, what the fuck are they even recording? Like, I know their lives and what not but, in that case shouldn't we be drowning in 3D content? I didn't see a notable increase from last year's to this year, so what the hell is the studio booked for if not for the talents?
Hell, I could swear back in year 2-3 we had a shitton of content of the talents playing games in 3D, and nowadays these do not correlate with the scale of talents we have now.

>>62928584
Yes. Kiara was just talking about a normal anniversary 3D live.

>>62928717
no jp gen has that. its a shame that kiara is becoming like an eop

>>62928782
Nene literally just had a 3rd year live Anniversary. Are you confused?

>>62928655
The dark truth is that 85% of the studio time is used up by whoring out the studio to third parties.

>>62928782
>becoming like an eop
You could start your journey towards that by learning to read simple english

>>62928925
>Because it's the third anniversary! We've been here for 3 years, we've never had one anniversary 3D.

if this is actually what she said, it means a "gen anniv"

>>62928655
Maybe the bigger studios requires more staff simply for producing the same thing but in higher quality which really doesn't help with the quantity issue they have

>>62929022
check the reddit thread

>>62929015
>>62929075
mood, would love to work there and see all the chicanery happening on site, bet my ass I will end up like a Yagoo all dried up just from the sheer mental damage I would get from watching it unravel before my eyes.

>>62923750
Promise overall seems at least content. It's just Myth that's pissed with Cover. Mori practically has a new complaint every week, Kiara frequently has to go to her in with management, Gura and Ame are both almost completely checked out with streaming. Ina is the only one that's somewhat been able to get by happily, but even that's with her frequent breaks. Cover has been terrible with being able to actually give the biggest gen of all of Hololive things they actually care about, and of course, giving the standard JP special treatment, but more egregiously, giving the Homos even better special treatment, despite the fact that they're all shitters except for maybe Robert. If Cover wasn't so concerned with making way for their homoshitters, Myth probably could've actually at least have gotten one of the three birthday 3D lives they've been wanting this year. Hell, this favoritism is an EN problem as a whole, it's just Myth that has a bigger problem with it because of the idolfags of Kiara and Gura, which Promise really doesn't have, except for IRyS, who lives in Japan. Fauna doesn't have the voice to pull off a 3D live, Kronii is too lazy, Bae is literally moving to Japan so she'll get more chances, and Mumei at least seems fine for now with mostly just her standard streaming. If Cover doesn't fix this shit soon, though, they're going to have problems, because most of Advent is idolfags. Fuwamoco of course, but to a lesser extent Nerissa and Biboo. Now, I'm not saying that Cover should give special treatment to Myth, since they already do that all the time with merch, but what I am saying is that things would be drastically better if Cover started looking for more and better staff, and also invested in at least a smaller scale studio in NA. That'd at least help things, and with the tech expertise Cover has, would probably solve most of the issues currently at hand. But instead the EN branch of Cover decides to invest in DA BOIZ like a brainless retard. I love these girls, love Hololive, but it's so fucking hard to love this management.

>>62925576
Fuck chink shit

>>62928655
cover corporation rents out their state-of-the-art mocap studio to indie game developers for chump change

>>62931502
>biggest gen of Hololive.

>>62925800
fucking retarded gachashitters

>>62925800
Yeah, I'm 100% sure Cover would have risked the personal info of a HoloCN talent or manager. You do realize china rolled out a law that required streamers to log their personal info into accounts, that's publicly available in an online database?

The cope here is insane, HoloCN was completely dead by the end of 2020, with or without Coco's yab

>>62924623
waiting to see how many weeks for suspension she's getting for speaking out

>>62923750
Wtf did I miss lol

>>62933333
Omg sister stop correcting the ranter, he obviously meant of hololive EN.

>>62934722
That's Kiara we're talking about. she probably takes it as a vacation and visits another country in the meantime.

>>62927686
Nah speak for yourself EOP.

>>62925576
Reminder that Kizuna AI had a majority overseas fanbase. There would be no Hololive, no Nijisanji, no 4 heavenly kings, and none of you would be here if it weren't for EOPs.

>>62923750
?

>>62923750
Stop paying attention to FWMC then and give some of it to the rest of the girls you fucking cunts

>>62931502
>western women bitch and complain at a golden ticket
I am shocked.
Streaming one hour a week is tough work.

>>62925956
Also the problem with moving to Japan is that even Hololivers who live in Japan gets their 3D events delayed or cancelled, see Ayame

>>62923750
The drama here is Cover not being able to capitalize the new studio well enough, If it's a problem of expensive equipment they should have another studio room with less expensive equipment to do 3D things that don't require dancing and moving alot.

>>62923750
Kiara is not talented enough to deserve a venue concert. This bitch only cares about herself and her dreams, she doesn't give a fuck about the rest of the girls, other than leeching from them.

>>62927322
She's literally worked in japan before as an irl idol, she arguably knows how it works better than any of them, and it doesn't make what she said wrong.

>>62949652
Ah, okay, every talent and manager in Cover step aside. Kiara is going to tell us all how the business should be run.

>>62923750
While bending over backwards to make sure their precious en homofaggot gens get all the help and opportunities they can get. Unironically killed my enjoyment of the company cause I don't want to support it anymore.

>>62923750
Myth has been running on fumes for well over a year now
Are we really surprised that their members are unhappy with where they are at?

>>62944014
Festival talked about how much paperwork they actually get. Surprise surprise.. not that much.

>>62949811
Might unironically be an improvement, if only 'cause it could get rid of japanese corporate autism and red tape.

>>62923750
management doesn't care they're to busy sucking off the homos

>>62925069
>Calli frequently hints at annoyances with Cover and her music deal
Lol and yet her music has become more tolerable since the deal. She needs to realize she sucks at rapping and the corporate decision is better than whatever the fuck she can muster left to her own devices.
>Only Ina has found a good work/life balance and is content with her what Hololive provides for her.
Of course she is happy with cruising along. Like Calli, her position is more than she deserves.

Not arguing against you, just making some points. Kiara and Ame genuinely deserve better. Perhaps Gura too, but her lack of communication reflects poorly.

>>62928101
>>Gura
Imposter syndrome due to 4 million fake accounts
>>Mori
Should graduate.
>>Kiara
Annoying twitter tard
>>Ame
needs to improve herself
>>Ina
Comfy artist
>>Irys
She's ok
>>Mumei
meh
>>Fauna
Annoying fake voice
>>Bae
She's ok
>>Kronii
Should graduate

>>62925886
>>62926274
Children should be in bed at this hour. Leave discussions like this to people who are old enough to understand how businesses work.

>>62926930
>Hire bunch of staff
>Oh shit, no equipment to train them on nor enough room for them to do their work
>Light pile of money on fire paying them to sit on their asses doing nothing until the studio is built.
Anon, consider roping.

>>62951734
She also said they are basically able to be as busy as they want to be...in other words it's an environment where go-getters and nose to the grindstone types can thrive, while people who just want to cruise can merely exist. If you look across everybody in the company, it's not hard to guess which is which.

>>62957661
>oh no it's impossible to train people to use equipment without a completely built and furnished 2.7 billion yen studio

>>62929015
source?

>>62927350
>Twins idol project poaches Kiara because she's desperate enough

>>62923859
Very well said