/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62844379
god i hope so

>>62844379
Now I know why irys talked about it last stream. The chicken is a good influence

>>62844379
She should take the hint that nobody likes her.

Did you actually went and copy pasted a reddit thread?

>>62844379
So she is blaming this on gura then?

classic jealous kiara

Janny, this is made up bullshit. Its fake and slander.
delete this trollthread.

>>62844379
Here >>62800643

>>62844379
>Despite her claims of not giving up. Is she slowly on her way out
She would have been in Nijisanji if they didn't self destruct with their bs, now Vshojo might be looking kinda hot right now.
As I said, Cover NEEDS a graduation from the EN side to finally snap back to reality and try to put some money into HoloEN instead of leavin everything to Ame who just burnt out from doing it with 0 support.
So far Ame and Kiara might leave with the constant wave of frustrations that Cover gives them.

>>62844379
i listened to the whole twitter space and this never happened
give a timestamp if you claim she ever said anything of this OP

the VOD was mostly her complaining about taxes and how excited she is about that new british manager

>>62844379
No, simple answer is hololive is the only way for her goals to be achieved. And the recording is still up btw, idk why you say she's mad when you can hear her voice and it's sad actually

>>62844879
>ctrl f "gura"
>1 result
>you

>>62844379
>paying attention to what the >MEMEMEME attention whore says
No thanks

>"Oh they've already got their own 3D lives? I'd better not invite them to my bday streams" https://youtu.be/W0lICCjnuDs?t=2955
crossed out
>"Oh Mori has already got her own concert? and had Gura as one of her guests? I'd better not invite them to my bday streams" https://youtu.be/W0lICCjnuDs?t=2955
fixed

>>62844627
what did irys say

>>62845588
>Nigga really thinks she didn't ask
We have confirmation from Gura that either the talents or management will cut some parts out or won't respond to add talents to your 3D live.

>>62845246
timestamp 50:45 fag

I mean she's right (assuming this is even a true transcript), Cover has clearly been farting in EN's face for the longest time and coasting off the fact that most of them don't care enough, or are too shy to complain. And it's clearly not a popularity issue considering even Gura got snubbed for 3D stuff. Oh yeah, Ina didn't get to have her 3D birthday concert either.

We desperately need more menheras who will just fucking cry on stream when Cover fucks them over for the 50th time. That would put the pressure on them real fast.

>>62846647
And they still get treated better and has better opportunities than they would get in any other company.

Maybe Kiara needs to become Holojp

>>62845026
>leavin everything to Ame
You mean all homoshilling?

>>62846781
Well yeah, Niji is black corp and vshojo doesn't even want to do idol stuff beyond it being a niche to leech from

That doesn't mean we should tolerate Cover being absolute pieces of shit. I can even forgive them for fucking Kiara over especially hard with the "lol fuck Europe, not our problem bitch" shit they did, considering they most certainly wouldn't have hired her if she hadn't been living in Japan at the time. But even then their actions are still trash since the US holos barely even get better opportunities.

Please for the love of God let this be the reason she graduates. Please, please, PLEASE I beg you Cover, ignore this cunt, let her graduate. Please I beg of you if Kiara graduates that would be the most based thing possible. If she could convince Mori to leave I'd suck off Yagoo and Mr. Jap at the same time.

Cover needs to get their shit together or they're going to risk losing the last member of Myth who still cares. They don't seem to realize that KFP is by far the most loyal fanbase in Hololive. She absolutely could leave and go indie whenever she wants and still keep 90% of her viewership. It's disgusting how they treat her desu.

>>62846647
It's not an EN not getting attention thing, its popular members get priority over others. There's a reason they'll bend over backwards for Suisei, Miko and Pekora but will easily cancel NePoLaBo concerts.

>>62847349
>he last member of Myth who still cares.
so mori doesn't exist or?

>>62847349
She'd be a 3view as an indie.

>>62847366
Then why did they snub Gura? Why does she constantly have to rely on the SEAnigger to skinwalk her because Cover won't let her use the 3D studio?

>>62847408
Mori would leave Hololive if she believes there is more value in her RM and not in Mori.

>>62847442
But she does use the studio?

>>62847366
Even middle of the pack holos get yearly anniversary lives. It's absolutely a sidebranch management thing

>>62847503
yet that doesnt change the fact that she still cares as well unlike others who barely stream and dont put out music that often

>>62847408
Mori cares about the money. That's the only reason she does more than the bare minimum.
>>62847424
Coco got even more popular after leaving Hololive. Rushia didn't but still manages to keep several thousand of her viewers despite burning every bridge on her way out.

Kiara would easily be able to maintain her current numbers as an indie.

>>62844379
>me me me me me me
Jesus i dont want to hate on her but she lives up to her reputation

>>62847686
She wants to ha e 3D lives though. Why would she wilking change from 3D live maybe to indie and 3D live never

>>62847686
>Mori cares about the money. That's the only reason she does more than the bare minimum.
what is your source on that? your asshole?

>>62847617
Mori doesn't give a shit about hololive or the retards in this shitty company. Cover is holding her back by being a shitty company that does nothing for their talents. Notice how the second Mori got her UMG contract she got much more opportunities, songs, and sponsorships? Not only that but she ended up becoming the most popular member, she has the most views, the most popular songs, and makes a shit ton more money than any other talent. I unironically wish umg would buy her since it's clear that she's being heavily held back.

Kiara is the kind of person that would still be grumpy and complain even if Gura invited her to be the only main guest of her 3D concert

>>62847584
To see how little of a shit Cover gives about EN one only has to look at Connect the World.

That concert was an absolute fraud where they advertised with "le popular JP/ID guests" and then just had them do some generic low effort SOLO song instead of performing with EN's.
Not to mention the worst crime, cutting the ENTIRE duet/unit section which is always the highlight of concerts. Instead it was just solo song spam and then a few branch performances.
Fucking pathetic. Oh and before we forget, the absolute travesty that was Council's MC section which was not only blatantly pre-recorded but they didn't even record their lines together, instead their "conversations" were recorded seperately and then spliced together.

>>62844379
She's absolutely right. JP keeps treating EN like second class citizens. Remember the whole Umisea retardation?
Also COVID is over, the members are flying to Japan every 2 months, they can record stuff. Also apparently Cover don't even cover their flight expenses even when it's for work). This is beginning to be a lot.
Everytime a JP member gets their anniversary on time, we should tweet at Cover "What about Myth?".
Even if your oshi isn't in Myth it will concern her eventually.

>>62847239
/vt/ is your oshi

>>62847706
>Talking about wanting the Myth Anniversary 3D collab stream
>me me me me me me
??

>>62847810
>Not only that but she ended up becoming the most popular member, she has the most views, the most popular songs
Not even Mori believes this

>>62847810
You can stop trying, squirmschizo. You should have taken the hint after getting bullied out of morig

>>62847706
It's not a me me me case, retarded shitposter. This is about EN. The first thing Kiara tried to do is a gen live for their 3rd anniversary. Even Gura was down for it. Cover didn't listen

>>62847860
and where is the blu ray release? i guess fuck english speakers
not to mention i was there and was hoping to see things like wicked or sweet appetite or any duo cover and got nothing. it was disappointing.

this company frustrates me too.

>>62847967
That's just Mori being humble, something that no other talent would be brave enough to say. Mori is far more popular in nearly every single metric than every other holo member. Don't you fucking forget that.
>>62848002
Your oshi will forever live in the shadow of my oshi. Squirm, seethe, that will never change.

>>62847239
Too bad for you, she isn't giving up. She wants to perform

I mean shes not wrong...

Is EN management just incompetent and not pushing hard enough or what. Every random JP gets lives every year.

lmao at holotards still believing in this company, you are second class citizens and you can do nothing about it. I'm glad I only watch the superior Nijisanji

>>62847239
you are a pathetic rat if her existing makes you seethe. just ignore her existence and let the rest of us enjoy her

>>62848093
Prove her album sells more than Suisei's.

>>62844379
jesus christ she's whining as if her and EN are the only ones who get their stuff delayed and put on the backburner. lots of JP members have either had their lives delayed or had to go through a third party to get them done. i really do like kiara as an entertainer but she just has such a shitty attitude it's hard to enjoy her.

>>62848005
Oh yeah, I remember that, Myth wanted their own 3D streams for their anniversaries, but were all denied, so they tried to pool together to get one single full gen 3D anniversary stream, but were denied again. Pretty fucked up.

>>62848212
ok ill bite. if you can show me one niji en that has minimum ep of original songs ill check her out and maybe ill jump ship

I hope this causes a huge shake up in the EN management, they've been causing issues for every EN talent

>>62847810
>Not only that but she ended up becoming the most popular member, she has the most views, the most popular songs, and makes a shit ton more money than any other talent.
>Not only that but she ended up becoming the most popular member, she has the most views, the most popular songs, and makes a shit ton more money than any other talent.
>Not only that but she ended up becoming the most popular member, she has the most views, the most popular songs, and makes a shit ton more money than any other talent.

>>62848212
Nijinigs lose one talent a week at this point, either because the talent hates niji being a black company, or the autistic fanbase harasses the talent into leaving.

>>62845026
Kiara would NEVER go Vshojo she's got an image to protect

>>62848421
>muh CCV
Now show:
>Song views
>Merch sales
>Superchats
>Album sales
>EP sales
>Record deal
># of charts topped
>MGS official sponsorship and song
>One piece official sponsorship and song
Yeah, that's what I thought, delusional retard.

>35% of your superchat money goes to Cover
>Cover builds a huge 3D studio
>but only for JP
>your oshi doesn't even get to use it
feel stupid now?

>>62844379
The one thing I realized this year being a regular /here/ is that it is very difficult for the handful of Kiara antis to turn the tourists/casuals against her in the catalog and especially in /#/ after TEMPUS debut and has to resort to samefagging resulting in multiple deleted posts at once. Pretty impressive considering the state in /jp/ in 2020/21

>>62844379
Oh look it's another episode of Kiara seething at other holos

>>62848572
>>62848421

>>62848637
>No rebuttal
I accept your concession.

>>62848572
>Mgs collab
I got you senpai. Here's her mgs collab stream + HUGE announcement getting mogged by a Kiara stream shilling *double checks title* ... chocolate bars.

Why are you faggots arguing with the squirmbeat retard?

>>62848572
The only one she's topping here is song views and that's mostly because of RIP. None of her new songs are capturing that virality.

>>62845026
Imagine trading Hololive for Vshitshow just to become a 3view who only collabs with cripples, menheras, literal whores and Nijisanji refugees

>>62848605
/#/ was agreeing with Kiara, which was strange I guess.

She's right to be mad.
First it was "studio too small", then "whoops, we build a bigger studio, but no staff". It was annoying, but it made sense. Now that they are giving JP talents their promised live, she should be treated the same. Considering the amount of work and rehearsal that they need to do in a short schedule in Japan, EN talent should be the one prioritized, but they obviously don't give a shit.
For the convention stuff, it sounds like Cover doesn't want to play anything out of their pockets for that kind of thing. She couldn't do Japan Expo in Paris because they wanted staff expenses paid by the convention (if you're not AKB or a big Shounen Jump mangaka, they're going to laugh at you). Cover doesn't want to invent one yen in Europe because that market is too complicated, and Kiara is collateral damage. A solution would be to get a sponsor to cover the expenses like they're doing with the VRChat thing, but once again it's an issue for management, Kiara can't do shit.

>>62845026
She would never be in either, we know this. None of them do performances like Holo does

>>62844379
There's no where to go as EN to get more concert opportunities than hololive is the thing.

I think living in Japan and being more popular would help

>>62848897
Because for some reason /#/ was watching the twitter space and not relying on a bait thread doing the "she's going to graduate for real this time!" angle that seems to plague literally every holoEN bait thread anytime there's an inconvenience. That and they're talent first, cover second, which is why they agreed with Kiara despite disliking her.

>>62848605
/vt/ just needed a scapegoat and with the multiple actual yabs in NijiEN and Tempus' debut, they got a more reliable scapegoat with actual yabs instead of the mental gymnastics they had to apply for Kiara like this OP. Now that casuals/tourists have a reference point for actual yabs from NijiEN, Tempus and even other holo vtubers, the general people can't rally behind these snowflake, forced yabs

>>62845246
thank you for calling this shit out, thankfully the faggot delivered

>>62846375
anon delivered the time-stamp, based. Thank you for being a gem among the shitters here. It's from 50:45 - 55:45. The Timestamp exists and OP ain't bullshitting.

>>62844379
at least post the timestamp you fucking retard like that based anon. Nice transcript though, actually fucking accurate

>>62846647
it's true, check the timestamp, I thought this was bullshit

>>62848576
This is why I give money to my oshi's RM instead.

>>62847424
This a joke? Kiara's core fanbase is solid as a rock. If she left they leave with her.

>>62849000
>"whoops, we build a bigger studio, but no staff"
This shit is still mindboggling. How do you build an entire 3D studio and then be like "horfhorfhorf looks like there's no people to staff it with!"
And I can just bet they refuse to hire anyone not from Japan to work there because they don't want to learn English.

>>62848572
>Why don't you show information I'm not showing!
k

>>62844379
Watching weebs slowly realize what a shit hole japan is for anyone other than japs is great.

>>62849171
I mean it makes sense they hire and train staff only after the facilities are there. Otherwise they'd have to pay people who'll just sit there and wait for the building.

>>62844379
Sounds like Kiara is about take the vshojo route.

>>62846647
Why would cover poor resources into EN when they make most of their money from JP?

EN is a charity paid for by Marine, Pekora, and Miko

>>62847908
Japanese treating people outside their own race as second-class citizens and leech off them? Wow, I'm genuinely not surprised about this actually.

>>62848013
sasuga Cover being a fucking idiotic of a company like every other corpo

>>62848333
that's......... extremely disappointing. What the fuck, cover

>>62849376
Westerners crying because a Japanese company prioritizes Japanese talent... make your own hololive Kiara. If A-chan and Sora can do it why can't you?

>>62848005
Makes sense now why Gura bailed.

>>62844379
Sorry, but her overly emotional rant here has already been refuted with a clear, rational takedown

>>62848772
nta but jfc deadbeat, shut the fuck up. How is debating with a shitter gonna help anybody besides make you both look like retards?

>>62845441
then why did you samefag over twenty replies to yourself just to keep this failure of a thread going?
man, you sure are one pathetic loser

>>62844379
Dont know if this is real or not but it doesnt matter, she would be right anyway.
Dunno if the other EN girls feel the same, depending on if they want something like this or not, but if Kiara wants it i think its fair. It should be an option after 3 whole years. Doesnt matter if you like her or not. She deserves it, just like your oshi would deserve it if she felt the same.

Nice anti thread, keep it here please, and get a rope

>>62849171
It makes sense considering the timeline. Yagoo was "forced" to go public by his private investors, and he used that money to build the studio. He took the opportunity, but things were done out of order.

>>62849516
shut the fuck up, retard. This is a stupid take LOL

>>62849592
good on you for trying to use big, big words
you used all of them wrong but still: trying out something like this with an IQ as low as yours takes guts!

>>62849171
Hey retard. Anyone with 3D mocap and VFX knowledge would make 2-3x working anywhere else than Cover, and they are ALWAYS in demand.
Vtubing is not big enough to support itself and it's not like Anycolor, Cover, and Brave Group are working together to build the infrastructure and logistics. They're literally actively griefing eachother.

>>62849592
Doesn't really work since Ayame has more 3D lives than all of EN combined.

>>62844863
oh my god, this fucking OP did. I fucking hate these shitters, man. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/17yblta/an_open_letter_in_support_of_kiaras_concerns/

>>62844379
Get rope, faggot

>>62844379
woman moment

>>62848572
imagine biting bait that bad
have some self respect bro you are making deadbeats look bad
thiis is a throwaway bait thread made by a very derranged troll that copypasta'd it from ledddot, do you think he actually cares or knows about any of this?
just ignore the poor pathetic mentally ill imbecile this is all he has in life

>>62849592
>I'm speaking here for my oshi, Ayame
stopped reading

So they treat Kiara like shit because she's not Japanese? Why would any white men support them then?

>>62849592
Except the JP delayed lives are getting slowly released one after the other.

>>62849125
She already told you to fuck off Kakun

>>62849869
point is she cant get one at this time, nobody can

Cover is a Japanese company. Japanese people have xenophobia ingrained in them culturally for basically their whole history. This is especially true in business from what I understand. Even if they're the most hecking wholesome, accepting and seemingly not racist talent/manager, they still have a Nippon Ichiban attitude. So why the hell would they prioritize studio space for a bunch of gaijin when Japanese talents could use it instead? Plus the westerners built their own scuffed Ame studio, so it all worked out in Cover's eyes.

>>62849669
hes legit mentally ill, funny thing is nobody bites anymore, its just that mentally ill schizo samefroending his teddit copypasta thread and people laughing at him

>>62850006
They treat Kiara like shit because she is shit

>>62849286
EN brings in the most money though.

>>62850006
She had already received a chance to prove them wrong (Sparks) and she failed

>>62849936
>I'm just gonna cite that Lamy has mentioned seeing Tanigo-san crying from the stress of work, so this seems to be as far as COVER can do to keep on top of things.
Lmao, fucking reddit.
Those "people" basically oshi a company over the girls. They would go well with Niji fans.

>>62850427
>OH NO! MY WHOLESOME HECKIN CEO IS SO STRESSED OUT!
I hate Reddit and I hate this Yagoo meme culture Cover has.

>>62850348
Sparks hit a million nearly instantly and got nuked instantly by YouTube, alongside several weeks of her content. That's why "stream Sparks" became a joke and she did the entire "copy Pekora's jailtime" meme.

>>62848093
Is this a falseflag?

>No 3D live
She isn't wrong, it is sad and not at all her fault. BUT, HoloEN is a failed market compared to HoloID - the the branch pandered to the type of people who would never go to a concert or buy enough merch for Cover to invest.

>>62844379
Cover gives far more support to the JP side. I feel bad for Kiara but the cold reality of Hololive is that foreign branches get third rate treatment. The contract fights in HoloEN probably did put management in a foul mood and when those end she might have better luck in 2024.

>>62850348
Sparks didn't do as well as they hoped? Gee, I wonder whyRyS.

>>62844379
Orange woman bad

>>62844379
>we've never had one anniversary 3D
That's not happening when 3 out of 5 myths are basically dead and just randomly disappear
Mori might be getting there too.

>>62851912
and then they COMPLETELY fucked up IRyS' music career

Cover gives priority to JP (as they should) but which specific members get special treatment even within JP?

It is obvious that they prefer a miko/subaru over a roboco.

>Hey Kiara you could get more opportunities or numbers if you move back to Tokyo instead of willingly isolating yourself in country fuck Austria
>lolno
>Hey Kiara you could be involved with more lives if you weren't an attention seeking seething cunt that is invoking a mob on Twitter to make both you/Cover look bad
>lolno
>Hey Kiara you should just improve yourself so you're not the runt of EN
>lolno

Entitlement is off the charts rumao

>>62844379
>He thinks Kiara is going to graduate.
The only thing that could force her out is her chronic illness. Just like what happened to Sana.

>>62853607
>Hey Kiara you could get more opportunities or numbers if you move back to Tokyo instead of willingly isolating yourself in country fuck Austria
IRyS lives in Japan. Here is a list of all the 3D lives she has gotten because she lives in Japan:

>>62853607
>hire internationally
>"just move to japan rumao"

>>62853790
>IRyS lives in Japan. Here is a list of all the 3D lives she has gotten because she lives in Japan:
Bad cope.
She has the most 3D appearances on other members channel (besides Mori and Gura)

>Why the Japanese are xenophobic

>>62848576
They just need to fly there to use it.

>>62853746
Even then she's quite literally learned to literally live with the pain. Fibro for years. Three respiratory illnesses couldn't stop her from streaming. A broken neck and she did 3 streams in one day.

>>62844379
>Every other Holo pays for their projects or partly then gets subsidized by Cover
>this bitch wants everything for free
She's just being dumb

>>62844379
graduate this whore already

>>62854361
Probably less xenophobia and lacking enough planning to get satellites in the countries they hired in.

>>62854456
She pays too, but who pays for Myth anniversary?

>>62853568
HoloX
Bumped ID and EN in the 3d queue, all five members did individual birthday 3d and individual anniversary 3d, plus a joint anniversary concert too. All five of them have literally never missed a birthday/anniversary 3d.
5th Gen is also almost there, with almost all of them managing both anniversary and birthday 3d in 2021, 2022, and 2023, only a handful of misses. Nene has an additional sponsorship live and an additional xmas live. Plus the gen-wide concert event.
If you look at the rest I don't think they're particularly favored compared to HoloX and NePoLaBo. Even popular members don't really jump out at me as "never miss" like HoloX and 5th Gen have been.

>>62845026
Unless Kiara's frustrations with Cover are that strong that she considers any change of environment a good one, I don't see her joining Vshojo until they increase their brand power and/or Matara gets some 10 points in charisma and convinces her to join.
So, the way I see it, she'll keep fighting management for what she wants until either she or they break.

Cover is going to go down in history by having lightning in a bottle and lacking the skill to use it.

How fucked up it is that we're even considering that a member of myth is unhappy and unsatisfied at cover?
When did it all go so wrong?

>>62854595
Since it is about me me me. She should pay for it. Highly likely she'll take the credit to force the girls to do things they don't want.

>>62849592
>my oshi, Ayame

>>62850338
LOL

>>62845780
She was curious about suisei on New York and asked a bunch of questions. At the end she said she wanted to do something like that too someday

>>62844379
GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD GRAD

>>62844379
It's always been clear that cover will prioritise JP. I mean, that much is clear just from how difficult it is for anyone outside of Japan to get expo/fes tickets...

>>62844379
What an ungrateful bitch

>>62844379
Well now I never want to hear again about Gura having any influence in this company.

>>62848441
Holo is also a black company and its fanbase harasses talents regularly, so why don't they leave?

>>62849286
As of the late 2022 period covered in their IPO financials, viewership was 40% overseas and revenue was 37.9% overseas. Yet I don't see EN getting a third of the studio time.

>>62856883
You know that overseas also mean Taiwan and Korea who still watches JP talent?

>>62844379
based. i hate cover because they keep pushing the homos too. Also 3D lives are planned and paid out of pocket by the holos. I guess there are some events that’s not. Even the ultra shitters like mel and roboco can get 3D lives so I don’t know what’s the issue with kiara. Maybe talk to JP management or ID because they seem to know what they’re doing with their holos unlike EN management who just rides what’s JP management is doing(even streaming events, it’s like ENs are forced to be in there). Even ID management has it all figured out with their events

VShojo will save her

>>62852418
>That's not happening when 3 out of 5 myths are basically dead and just randomly disappear
This year most of them wouldn't have wanted a 3D anniversary but it sounds like Kiara asked Cover for 3D studio time and they completely ignored her. Myth never even had the option since they weren't given access to the 3D studio.

>>62857003
Oh, sorry, I should be more specific.
Revenue was 35.0% America only.

>>62856770
Proof or gtfo

>>62848885
mousey mogs all of holoEN

>>62857091
she wants to do idol stuff, vshojo isn't much of an idol company.

>>62848441
>or the autistic fanbase harasses the talent into leaving
Seeing the state of the catalog, plebbit, xitter and youtube right now, it is very funny how you consider that to be an exclusive characteristic of Niji fans.

>>62857290
They just held a live 3 months ago, brony

>>62845026
>>62844379
I really don't see Kiara out of all people leaving hololive. She knows she doesn't have a career outside of holo
Mori
>won't leave because of the universal deal
Ame
>I can see her retiring or semi retiring
Gura
>could jump ship, but so long as no one make her fag collab I really don't see here leaving
Ina
>literally only way she leaves is if she retires to be an artist
IRyS
>same as Ina, only see her leaving if she gets a VA career
Bae
>really don't see her even wanting to leave
Kronii
>Same as IRyS
Fauna
>no way is she going
Mumei
>same as Gura

>>62857468
nta but you can have her

>>62849592
How many 3D lives has EN had in the past 3 years?

>>62847860
Ignoring Amerifats and Europoors is based.

>>62857468
excuse me for being ignorant, but I really don't care.

>>62857563
Mori had a lot, Gura 1 or 2? Kiara and the rest, 0 or 1, depends if you count the 3D debut as a live

>>62847860
Put it this way, in spite of all of that, Connect The World was still Hololive's best concert of the year. Everything else was an unmemorable flop.

Cover supremely underestimates its EN branch. It is what is singlehandedly carrying the entire industry around the world. Its potential could break global boundaries, but Fagoo's business approach not being cutthroat to attain its top dog status is what is holding them back big time.

Ame not being in the new year's 3D live deflection thread

I totally believe everything in this thread with no timestamp or vod, yep yep

They can do all that shit because they have a studio in Japan. They don't have a studio anywhere else. This isn't hard to understand. You wanna do 3D shit? Go to Japan.

>>62844379
>Is she slowly on her way out
yes that would be the best for everyone

>>62857810
I don't think twitter spaces get saved.

>>62857635
Holocope so yummy
Can't wait to poach Kiara and Gura

>>62857841
IRyS...

council was a shit show and myth shit the bed as time went on, they deserved connect the world.
just send advent, kiara and irys to japan

>>62857635
Nobody really cares about vshojo outside of ironmouse.

>>62845026
At this rate 3/5 of Myth could end up in VShojo if this keeps up

>>62857862
Oh if that's the case then Mori did a space where she constantly said racial slurs, can't believe cover let her do that.

>basically the center for connect the world
>other people get their own events so she complains on twitter
This about right?

>>62857810
>>62857862
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1725831100344537375?s=20

>>62857810
Timestamp is within the first 15 posts, retard. Kys.

>>62857930
I would say Mouse and Henya now.

>>62857930
Sounds like someone's mad at newfound superiority.

>>62845026
>Vshojo might be looking kinda hot
didn't they lose their most important members and the only thing they really have going on is Ironmouse and the poaching from niji?

>>62844379
It's not unique to Kiara, a bunch of projects were shot down for the JP girls to the point several of them went on weeks hiatus, some even breaking down and crying on stream about it.

honestly, a kiara solo event could fly, but it needs proper coordination with her and whoever is running the cover studio and events. A myth event would be very hard though because of Ina (artist work), gura (possible but nobody knows where she is), and ame ( is she even still streaming)?

>>62857635
>Vshojo doesnt do much idol stuff
>Gets proven wrong
>uuuuuhhhhh actually I dont care
fucking pathetic cope honestly

>>62858046
From a business standpoint, VShojo is at the top and to stay. Henya is the biggest example of this.

>>62857468
Reminder that Henya wasn't even supposed to be there since she literally just debut, but because she really wanted to appear, they pulled out the stops, got a model for her, and added her to the concert.

For me, it's Gunrun's Dream.

Hololive/Nijisanji
>no you can't have your concert, you have to wait 2 years for a subpar 3D model and also we're postponing the concert
Vshojo
>you only debuted 4 months ago? Fuck it, we'll squeeze you into our live show. Get me some coffee I'll pull some all nighters for it.

Idolchads love VShojo!

>>62858044
i don’t really care about EN as a whole, I don’t even watch holoEN. I’m just stating my opinion on this. Kiara has a point but I’m sure that there is always room for negotiations
>>62858167
>>62857930
>>62857722
>>62857013
this is me. Jpchad homohater

>>62858185
Nah, my point still stands. How many have they done, genuine question? I just don't constitute VShjojo an idol company, they've always been more of just a live stream company to me.

>>62858250
Even better, Gunrun spent countless time and energy just to let his newest talents shine.

Why is this such a skill issue for Holoshit?

>>62858431
See>>62858333
>>62857468
You lost, Holobrony

>>62858510
That didn't answer my question.

"I want my own 3D Live Dayo!"
>Vshojo: Bet.
>Hololive: check back with me in 2 years. EN? HAHAHAHA fuck you
>Nijisanji: HAHAHAHA fuck you

>>62858157
Pekora..

>>62858677
>check back in 4 years
vs.
>Bet.

>>62844379
This is all genuinely because of japanese corpo autism. If they could all just commission their own official 3D models and outfits and work everything out by themselves this wouldn't exist. But it's also a known fact that they aren't allowed to do any of that because "it wouldn't be fair for others". Also, Cover restricts them from using alternate models too much (or at all, sometimes) such as Kiara's frog or any of Ame's shitpost models like Amebee.

Cover is anti-fun, they want you to join, do your hours and shut the fuck up. Quality content is not something they're interested in because if the streamers can get away with not doing much of anything and still making good profit for the company then there's no reason to give them live shows or anything expensive like that. Maybe Kiara should pretend to be a guy and join holostars, because then Cover would give her all she wants and even more.

I’m all for hating on cover but I wish I wasn’t siding with the chicken too.

>>62859028
Will show you the way

>>62859028
Yeah, all those Holostars concerts ...

>>62859028
as a JP only lover, I disagree with you on the most of these but I can’t really say the same happens for holoEN

Holobronies refuse to admit that VShojo has exactly everything that pre-IPO Hololive had. They even got rid of the 3 whores and added 2 pearls in Henya and Matara! When will they see the light once and for all? We'd love them with us.

>>62859028
It's funny, because shortly after Advent debuted, someone made models of them some weeks after. They could easily just use them right now if they set up the rigging. I'm sure there's probably some legal stuff they'd have to go through with purchasing and all that, but come on. If people are making models so short after debuts happen, every girl should have 3D at least two or three months after.

>>62844379
>heh heh let's spam "Gura doesn't stream" to show them that Kiara is the boss
>oh nyo! now they have a hateboner for 3D stuff and what not, chumbies will never side with us KFP on this one
once again karma is a bitch LOL!

>>62859573
>I-I-It's le chicken boogeyman!
kys

>>62850013
She did?

>>62849592
Retarded take. JP lives get delayed. EN lives IDEAS get denied.
If you're EN (or ID for that matters) you cannot get a 3D live AT ALL outside of events like 3D showcases and fringe cases like Council rebranding into promise. If they want a live they still have to find a way to make it without Cover with Ame studio, VR chat, Kanauru, etc
Even Mori who you might is an exception, is still not really one. She had to make her birthday "karaoke" with her own setup and used Kanauru for her anniversary one.
Recently JP get their lives done little by little while EN still gets nothing.

>>62845908
Nope. Kiara didn't even ask Gura or Mori to be apart of hers. This is after Gura had invited Kiara to sing at Gura's birthday live. Kiara even said she only planned for Ina and Ame.

>>62859573
Least schizophrenic poster on /vt/

>>62859573
how do you write this shit and think to yourself "yeah this is 100 percent fact in going to post this"

>>62858433
Newflash, nobody care about vshojo, everyone can have a concert in vrchat even kiara. The point is having a concert in cover studio not from irrelevant company that hide their number from membership that got leaked.

>>62859573
holy mental illness

>>62855160
>Tempus
Just prior to that.

>>62844379
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>62859820
Source me.

>>62857949
>be in Hololive for over half its entire lifespan
>have to sit and watch as all the other gens, including the one that came AFTER you, gets 3D lives for their birthdays and anniversaries
>meanwhile, your branch gets literally nothing
>You ask, and they either deny your request or outright ignore you
>even if you ask almost a year in advance, they'll ignore it
Her supply of "it is what it is" ran out. Yeah there's some 'me me me' there, but I can't really blame her for being annoyed.

>>62859493
>If people are making models so short after debuts happen, every girl should have 3D at least two or three months after.
You and I both know why this doesn't happen. Corpos need to drum up excitement and retain hype, or wait until a certain milestone is achieved. That's why Niji holds out until certain sub milestones and Myth/Council had to wait until 3rd fes and Connect the World respectively.

>>62858185
>Vshojo doesnt do much idol stuff
Vrchat concert, 8000 membership watcher. Wow it like what? 1 ironmouse stream for 10 poeple? Also kiara already did 3d concert using ame 3d studio just not a solo 3d from cover studio.

>>62860103
I'd also say having to subsidize her own trips and equipment while her whole salary being kneecapped by YT and Yagoo hurts. If I were on a stage that large and still suffered that sort of favoritism, I'd be pissed too.

>>62860103
It's not even "me me me". Kiara is literally pushing for the whole EN branch to have more opportunities to do idol stuff. In what world is that a bad thing?

Kiara and by extension, KFP, getting btfo is music to my ears.

>>62860133
>Corpos need to drum up excitement and retain hype, or wait until a certain milestone is achieved.
I guess that's true enough, still, once you know that people are making models so quickly after debut, it just means they're holding out. But you are right, they do have to generate that hype otherwise it would be just another 'wow. yay, finally'.

>>62858044
Is every vshojo fan a retard? Why are you guys like this? Your unearned sense of superiority coupled with your childish gloating are deeply embarrassing.

>>62860482
You're responding to a blatantly obvious falseflag that exists solely to annoy. Are YOU a retard?

>>62859883
does anyone on this board think that before they post?

>>62860482

>>62860609
>does anyone on this board think
Why would I do a silly thing like that?

Woman moment

>>62858631
>thinking a vr chat karaoke counts as a 3d live

>ME ME ME PLEASE LOOK AT ME AND NOTICE MY PROBLEMS!!!

>>62860975
>vr chat doesn't count!
And yet it still has better tracking than the so-called worldwide leader in VTubing kek

>>62844379
Then...
How do you convince the Cover employees in Japan who are already 90% busy, to create a new studio on the other side of the world?
Because clearly Holoen's employees don't care about creating their own studio.

lots of organic posting here

>>62860103
I suspect myth as a gen has been quietly banishment room'd and cover would prefer they quit at this point. Promise and advent are kust much easier to work with as units than myth is

>>62861247
it's not worth the cost. since EN is scattered everywhere and JP isn't.

>VShojo isn't Hololive but with all the added benef-ACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5B7V-Ikic

>>62861330
I wonder how much they get paid honestly

Sorry, but only Gura gets what gura wants. And Gura only got in because Marine worships her.

>>62849592
>ayame
is this really a good comparison? anons are always posting about how ayame doesn't stream
does it not make sense that maybe if ayame streamed more, things would not be like this for her?

>>62861598
Who’s in the mocap suit for mouse?

She needs to say this stuff IN JAPANESE on a public stream so that it gets clipped and gains traction on the JP side, so at least japanese fans or talents are aware of the situation. They pay absolutely no attention to stuff said in english.

>>62861556
Yeah, but those circumstances with Myth are literally Cover's own doing, and they're going to end up with repeats if they keep it up with Promise and Advent.

>>62863162
do JP fans care that much about anything going on on the EN side? I know that some EN members get JP chats, but do they really care that much?

>>62863162
Not one of the JP girls will willingly give up study time for an EN.
This is a business anon. End of the day they are all rivals.

>>62857972
This twitter space is pretty miserable, it's like a nagging wife simulator, she finds a problem in everything.
Chicken can have some alright convos here and there but I think you need mental problems to find her attractive and become a paypig.

>>62859493
Those models look like shit and they're not made in a away that's good for live tracking a talent just canned animations

>>62863833
That's the gfe

>>62861247
honestly, what was Cover thinking? creating an EN branch and hiring talents in north america WITHOUT an office or anything IN north america?
did they think they would get all the girls to live in japan with work visas? but then COVID right fucked that plan?
i genuinely, frequently, think about this

>>62863990
There's a difference between someone having spurs of negativity and someone's essence itself being draining and negative.
First one is just RNG and human nature, second one is someone you want to avoid in serious relationships.

>>62864093
They didn't care. COVID was in full swing and they knew people would shell out money. That's over and they milked it for whatever they could. Investing now would mean actual work to maintain the money flow and they don't want that, they want an easy buck (or make the talents do their management job for them).

Honestly, this is a pretty big red flag Cover is about half-a-step in moving towards the same business model Nijisanji has. Shit's over.

I've been watching Hololive since covid and I never really gave Kiara a chance. Is she even worth all of this shit she's asking for if she can't even earn my view as a pure holofag?

i mean i know the shark in EN is pretty big and does the bulshit ayame does but atleast they both get numbers. What's /#/ verdict on this modern kiara? Is she still considered a leech?

>>62863833
real gfe

>>62844379
Vshojofags please just take Kiara away from us I beg you

>>62864462
>/#/
beware, melanin enriched post

>>62864462
Her biggest obstacle early days was literally YouTube nuking her channel and getting shadowbanned. She also puts in a ton of backend work no one else has, even when it should have been management.
If we're asking about frontend? All of them have definitely taken a nosedive in quality, and it's not even the talent's fault. Mio addressed this because management is now bloated and permissions are hanging around everyone's neck at all turns.

>>62864573
>math is black
LMAO GOOD ONE
go back

>>62844379
Bummer, I guess?

>>62864462
The only HoloEN that's less successful than Kiara was Sana before she graduated.

>>62844379
Things would be much better if she stayed in Japan. I can see that Bae getting to do her stuff very soon since she's going into the studio almost everyday.

From what I know JP members has to pay for their own 3d concert (3d debut is free). I'm not sure if Kiara is asking for a free one or she's willing to pay and set up one.

I can't imagine Cover saying no if she booked the studio in advance and pay for it. She should also stop doing shitty Kanauru 3d concert

>>62864943
Even if they had an NA studio (they do, Ame built her own), they STILL have to get permissions for it, which they don't always get.

>>62864789
and she's a graduate. Maybe Kiara should just graduate too if she can't realize that she's just not worth it?

>>62865245
Break her back and she'll follow Sana.

>>62865245
Shall I explain to you? Will your 90 IQ be able to handle it?
Being in Hololive is, as of yet, still an advantage. Kiara can manage 4k streams off of low-quality low-hype games by being associated with the brand. HOWEVER, if Cover got off its ass and did the work required of them instead of half-assing it (despite having a now bloated management with the intent to streamline the word but doing the literal opposite), she, AND the others, could pull 8k to 15k. Maybe more. But Cover's management simply will not get their shit together, so we have to watch this loss of potential circle the drain.

>>62865245
Harsh but at the end of the day, that's probably the bitter truth nobody from the company wants to tell her.

>>62864789
>The only HoloEN that's less successful than Kiara was Sana before she graduated.
Antis really delude themselves into thinking Kiara's a runt. She has the third most views behind Gura and Mori and 2nd in superchats. Stop lying that she's not successful.

>>62865566
Mori has some of the lowest CCV in all of EN anon.

>>62844379
Well the fact is if she wants all that she needs to move back to Japan. She's asking Cover to do things that even some of Japan's biggest entertainment companies struggle with (establishing foreign, self operating, sustainable business). Doesn't matter if it's fair or whatnot. That's just how it is. Unless Japan somehow becomes less bureaucratic regarding business, copyrights, etc., they'll always be treated as second class despite everyone's best intentions.

>>62865566
where is her collab with a city? ambassador of a stupid VR app from the council's runt? can she collab with Suisei? get a record label with all the songs she's releasing?

I got nothing against Kiara but, we know she's not it. She just needs to accept it. She has unbelievably high expectation in contrast to the very low charisma she has. She attracts a bunch of weirdoes that supports her just like every other girl but at the end of the day. The other girls has MORE weirdos than her.
Because she's not it. Don't make me spell what she's not good about, we all know, we can all see and hear. Well I don't hear a lot from her, since it's hard.

>>62844379
Yes only those that support homos get special projects done or one of the members that is unignorable by sponsors

>>62865863
>didn't even have the balls to bring up the "chicken voice" but admits to not even watching her
Yo, bro, give us your Twitter handle!

>>62865863
>Well I don't hear a lot from her, since it's hard.

>>62864462
>Is she even worth all of this shit she's asking for if she can't even earn my view

That's the thing. All she has going for her is being hard working and active. She isn't spectacularly talented in being funny or good at singing, which is what matters at the end of the day. Mori can host shows in japan and Gura has a good singing voice so she gets all the good offers.

Kiara is just mediocre, and she knows it.

>>62866092
>Kiara is just mediocre, and she knows it.

I don't think she does, if she did, and had a sliver of decency, she wouldn't ask for this.

>homobeggars seething and shitposting
adorable

>>62865566
>She has the third most views behind Gura and Mori and 2nd in superchats
Mori streams do VERY poorly anon. I'm too lazy to check but I think Kiara probably beats her there, obviously her total views are far behind though.
Kiara's average CCV and views are lower than any of the Promise and Advent girls'.

>>62866303
>Kiara's average CCV and views are lower than any of the Promise and Advent girls'.
Shiori...

>>62866303
>Kiara's average CCV and views are lower than any of the Promise and Advent girls'.
That's not actually true, either.

>>62866275
I think homos should graduate along with Kiara, but less than Kiara,

Kiara is a good example but she's not attractive. Hololive needs someone as charismatic as Gura and as active as Kiara.

>>62866396
Well, you can't always get what you want.
You'll get someone as active as Gura and as charismatic as Kiara

>>62866396
>homos are better than Kiara!
LMAO you forgot your meds

>>62866471
fuck

>>62866396
If Gura was still streaming, you'd simply be targeting her as a loli and shitpost anyway.

>>62849971
You stink of SEA.

>>62866492
what no, sorry I'm high. I meant Homos are worst than Kiara, Kiara can serve as an example. Homos are just.. nothing, they contribute to nothing

>>62866303
views don't matter when you have direct connections tot he music industry, release albums that even normalfags listens to.

>>62866630
Yeah, that's my point.

>>62866566
If Gura is still streaming, I would atleast still pay less than 60 bucks to see her sololive because I know it's going to be good.

I won't be bothered if Kiara announces one

>>62866717
i spat

>>62866717
>>62866841
>Kiara posts on twitter.
>suddenly influx of twitter posters

>>62855106
Maybe, just maybe, the see farther than you do and put their resources accordingly.

>>62867210
>still pushing homos
Yeah, they're geniuses.

>>62844379
HoloEN are not idols, if Kiara has a problem with that she should've tried to join HoloJP instead.

>>62865863
You stink of SEA too.

>>62865843
You probably ignored half of what that anon wrote then. Maybe this will help
>They were able to set up a personal 3D live for ID for 4 members including kobo and even begged Risu to let them pay for her to have a personal 3D live
>The first American 3D live included ID and JP for some reason plus it wasn’t even live for real (Kawaii was able to pull off an actual live)
>The only EN member to “perform” at a con is Mori and it doesn’t compare to being an actual live like Watame and Suisei got to do
>Nijien, Indies, and vshojo got to perform live shows at cons. Before you say anything yes it’s barely a performance but it’s still more than 14/15 holo en members got to do.
>Beyond cons myth and council share anniversary merch unlike other gens
>Mori and Irys live in Japan but all of en was in Japan more than their own country this year but were still unable to get times for 3D lives. Ina actually recorded one but like Gura last year it’s currently in the closet until they decide it’s ok
It’s not a money issue nor is it a tech issue cover just doesn’t care about their en branch any more or have you forgotten that irys also lives there.

>>62865566
Views don’t matter if you’re including shorts/songs because they aren’t worth anything literally. She doesn’t get any huge sponsors and her merch sales always stock the least while selling out the slowest. Even her best selling items being her birthday merch allows for 2-3 people to buy the limited merch, which isn’t allowed for higher tier members, and still took more time to sell out than the other members.

>>62866630
This is what dumb people say

>>62864462
>Is she worth it monetary wise?
No
>As a member of myth
No
>Talent wise?
No
>Because she’s trying and that used to be enough for cover
Yes

It’s this weird thing going on where only certain are getting special treatment and nobody talks about it enough

In the end Kiara just demonstrated to Cover that holoEU is not going to get off the ground.

>>62867799
They had years to do anything with it and never showed any interest. Window passed already, and it's own them.

>>62864462
>the shark in EN is pretty big
Bigger than any JP lol. In mindshare especially.

>>62867884
I wonder if they'll even try with spanish speakers now or just stay secluded in japanese market while milking en until they all leave and closing the branch.

>>62844379
Yagoo saw that she slighted the homos and hates her. One does not anger Yagoo without consequences.

>>62867774
maybe Kaira is also not likeable in the company. It's kinda evident. I know the chicken pushes the narrative that she's the only one keeping everyone together but we all know it's not true. She's abrasive and constantly bothering people for her own gain. Which is why it's bad when it happens to other talents, and not to her.

>>62867992
No way. They're not expanding without another COVID-level buff coming off a strong economy with a lot of disposable income. Even if another COVID situation happened now, economically people aren't going to release their money this time. As I said: window passed.

>>62868242
JESAS
have some fucking empathy brownoids

>>62868242
I pretend not to see

>>62868349
They're royally fucked then, because boy is jap economy not improving, on the contrary, US will suck them dry like a vampire. All this while other chuba houses open in US.

A business schizo and a psych major schizo overanalyzing in the thread.

Kiara threads are priceless

>>62868360
She does have that aura though.

>>62868544
>you must be stupid or you are having no fun!
i am defeated, no my ego!
le twittard strikes again

>>62868242
Every holo that meets her talks about how great she is and even nodoka couldn't stop gushing about how helpful she is. Hell even gura said she and ame are the people she is most confortable with. Stop projecting onto kiara just because nobody can stand to be around you

>>62868622
Please learn english. You posts completely stopped making any sense

>>62868740
Now that's rich.

>>62868658
Ame and Gura 'talks trash' with each others. perhaps they trully hate each other too. No one is going to tell Kiara how bad she is if it's already surface level. It's on her to notice

>>62868740
anon...

>>62844379
Maybe instead of using the money you make from hololive on expensive vanity bullshit you could allocate some funds into setting something up you could consistently use in your own country rather than having to rely on the annoying setup of having to plan months in advance on when you can go to Japan and having a couple days to put together an event. That'd also be helpful for yourself since it'd pay for itself after the first 3D live you do with the setup. That'd certainly be a better use of time instead of just venting on twitter. There are indies that make less money than holos do that have been able to invest in that kind of stuff, so what is stopping her?

>>62868740
You can't tell I was making fun of you?
Hmmm. Okay autismo.

>>62868863
>allocate some funds into setting something up you could consistently use in your own country
She literally bought a fucking expensive 3D suit for that reason.

>>62868863
But anon, cosplay bullshit is expensive and chimken HAS to have that or...something will happen I swear!

The amount of DELETED posts in this thread is really funny to me. Surely not samefaging. Nope.

>>62868242
holy shit you schizos are unbearable

>>62868863
>homobegging faggot doesn't watch streams
Not surprising.

>>62844379
Her wish will come true "soon"
See you Tenjo
Cap this post

T. SEA KFP

>>62869160
I have a solution: just kill yourself. Make the world better.

>>62868863
>build a 3d studio
Nigga. She can just use Ame's, OR the suit she just bought and is on its way to japan now. Both are infinitely cheaper
And all her flights this year? To Japan, for work. Like bro please think

>>62869255
She still has to get permission to publish 3D content. Her models have to all be validated by the company. They have to review what she makes. Special streams have to be signed off on. This was brought up BY FUCKING JP AND EVEN THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.
Nigga how the FUCK is this so hard for you?

>>62868242
Just say you personally do not like Kiara instead of framing your speculative feelings as truths. Nobody will believe your ass in a legitimate discussion thread. You can make your own shitty thread next Tuesday, but until then, fuck off.

>>62868848
So you honestly think that gura saying that she likes ame and kiara was her lying? Do you realize how utterly insane you are? This is why you have no friends

>>62869524
>kfp coping the post

>>62868242
GO FUCK YOURSELF

>>62869524
>>62869570
don't bother arguing with him, he's just going to post his fanfiction filled with olympic level mental gymnastics on why everyone secretly hates Kiara

>>62869570
>believing anything shart says

Hate homos. Hate management.
I like Kiara. I want quality content.
Simple. As.

>>62869368
She can choose to stream in 3d whenever she wants bro? I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Making a solution in Europe was what I'm replying to, she just did, what are you talking about? The only models she has are the smol, low poly and Frogiara. Frogiara she already knows she can't use often.

>>62869838
>she can--
>literally just said she can't by mentioning Frogiara
What drugs are you abusing to end up in a situation where you argue with yourself?

>>62868360
>>62868447
>>62868658
>>62869160
>>62869524
>>62869570
>>62869655

Kinda impressed with your bait >>62868242 anon. Consider picrel

>>62869069
So then what's she complaining about? If she is getting the means of doing it, why is it such a big issue? If her issue is the fact that they have to go about it with this method rather than travelling to and from japan every time they want to do anything, that's kind of dumb. Because of course it's going to be annoying as the foreign branch of a Japanese company. There is no elegant solution to this kind of stuff when all the members are spread out across different countries and having to rely on scheduling while being courteous of the 40 members on the girls' side in Japan alone is not an ideal solution and will only get worse as more members get added.

>>62869934
She's not going to make her own concert with Frogiara, anon, just her actual Cover 3D? I mean if she wanted to Ame got to use like all of her wacky models in her own self produced live.

>>62870378
>pretending to be stupid
>OR actually stupid
Hang on. What if she wanted to? Tell us what would happen anon and how it relates to, "She can choose to stream in 3D whenever she wants, bro?"

>>62845026
>leavin everything to Ame
Ame hasn't done anything worth mentioning in ages. Honestly, most of the things she's done have been her orbiters and not her.

>>62869981
butthurt lul

>>62870605
Frankly, if I were her, I wouldn't either, considering the current management at Cover. Ame can be blamed for a lot of bullshit, but not doing management's job for them ain't it.

>>62870605
>kojima
>le steve blowjobs of le videogames
Fucking lol. At least Jobs made money.

>>62870612
They're mad because they know Kiara is low enough to come here and read this.

>>62871567
no holomem is that low anon

>>62871567
>implying kiara can even find the archive

>>62871655