/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

imagine tribalfagging hololive so hard that you start tribalfagging the website they stream on as well

poorfag whining about twitch, get a better mobile plan faggot

And the chat is obnoxious and cancerous

does someone have the clip where gura shits on Twitch?

>tribalfagging a streaming site
are you serious?

>SEA
>Less than 20
Op has to be

>>62557819
gura literally watches twitch streamers all day

>>62557602
>no mention of hololive
>brings it up anyway.
literally rent free

>>62557283
Honestly I agree, most of the streamers not only chuubas in twitch are lazier than most chuubas in youtube.
react content + no yt thumbnail needed + sleeping streams + whore streamers taking over + not much of a problem with DMCA compared to YT

WAY too fucking lazy, like sure your streaming hours are up because you don't have that 12 hr streaming problem but goddamn, big streamers there don't need much effort to stream.

If you disagree with this, that's because you watch somebody there.

>>62558711
Actual redditor

>>62558711
come on anon, I know you're being a try hard but every holodrone tribalfags youtube, it's in their dna to suck the dick of their masters

>>62558711
holokeks are the only ones who do this. they're also the only ones who think youtube doesn't have react content. by "youtube" they really mean "hololive".

>>62558711
People overuse rent free way too much. Like nigga who the fuck else is gonna make a thread like this? Most small corpos are on Twitch, and Nijis collab with people on Twitch all the time. It's literally just Hololive and its walled city approach that keeps it near-exclusively to Youtube. Anyone with any modicum of knowledge about anything would know that this is obviously a Holofag thread.

>>62557627
>Poorfag
>Implying twitchfags have money.

>>62559007
>he watches streams on a phone
LMFAO get a job, loser!

It really just took some meme awards to get the holofags on here seething. I thought nijiENfags were the insecure ones.

>>62559095
Who do you think is making the constant threads about NijiEN? Because they're not doing it about themselves I'll tell you that much

>>62558985
I don't watch Hololive. All my favorite indies stream on YouTube. But go ahead, blame your current boogieman.

>>62559245
i don't believe you.

>>62559245
Link your indies

>>62559245
I know, you were only pretending to be retarded

>>62559245
Name me 5 EN 4view youtube indies.

>La+ says she prefers Twitch to Youtube
>These threads pop up
God damn bros, you don't watch her anyways, why are you suddenly so anal about a streaming site

>>62559245
Please, name some of your favorite YT indies. Because I watch a shitload of indies myself and all but one of them are on Twitch

>>62558985
Rent. Free.

>>62560041
This nigga so retarded.

>>62559293
>>62559363
>>62559582
>>62559634
>>62559930
No, I'm gonna keep on gatekeeping them from you bozos. Find them yourself.

>>62560109
Free. Rent.

>>62559634
Not OP. Who the hell watches indies to numberfag? The indies I watch on YT are music artists I already enjoyed who I want zatsu and karaoke of. Obviously they're all low 2 views.

>>62560119
are they all 2views you are currently grooming?

>>62560119
>get called out for lying
>retard says he's gatekeeping
kek so you are a liar

>>62560119
Yep he's a holodrone

>>62560119
Dont worry Im gatekeeping with you

They can watch their indies drool on twitch

>>62560261
>>62560273
>>62560287
Call me a liar or whatever all day. I'm not spilling the beans.

>>62560232
numberfagging is retard behavior whether they are 2view or 6view. but i believe that anon's point was not to numberfag but rather to point out that the youtube streaming scene is shit. there's no audience there for en vtubers that aren't in holoniji.

>>62560392
There is an audience, and it's small and comfy. Stay out of it.

>>62560232
I'm not numberfagging. I'm just saying Youtube is shit for discovery because nobody will break out unless they are already in a corpo or are already huge from doing traditional video content.

>>62557283
>50% of its users are bots
source?
>50% of the rest are just leaving the tab open for background noise
again, source?
>Its metric are all fake
i will continue to ask for hard evidence for these claims
>The ads are getting worse
true, but that's a skill issue/money problem
>Their business model is unsustainable
what, streaming? im curious how you think the other platforms that added livestreaming services get money to offset the added service
>The content is getting lazier and more homogeneous
because originality does not get rewarded. these Vtuber trends you see? literally copying from each other. This isnt a platform exclusive issue anon. also i assume you're referring to react content? because ez views. you can be a content elitist all you want but you're in the minority here.
>Discoverability continues to be terrible
you say that as if you're gonna watch someone that isn't from hololive. stop complaining and go watch the 2view your oshi mentioned in passing? and also raids are a thing? also there's a section for recommended streamers?
>The userbase is aging because younger audiences are sticking to YouTube and Tiktok
how young are we talking about here exactly? twitch needs you to be 18 to be on that infernal site
>Every social media app is adding live streaming, so having a dedicated live streaming service is unnecessary
your mom could've swallowed, instead she made a dedicated live shitposter like you, totally unnecessary
>Twitch has become irrelevant
true

2/10 at least provide hard numbers. you should've mentioned chat culture, that's a more contested topic

>>62560386
Why would anyone care what indies you watch? Stop being a pussy holodrone

>>62560392
I'm talking about jp indies personally, but whatever. I think the EN problem comes down to EU leaning to Twitch. Which makes for more comfortable stream times compared to catering to PDT

>>62560119
This is one of the best bait threads ever I can't believe this shit why would you even respond if you're going to make it so obvious you're lying lmao

>>62560519
>actually thinking holodrones have any facts or logic to back up their bullshit claims
kek good one anon

>>62560519
what a reddit fucking response. please kill yourself

>le Hololive bad
Is that all Twitch indies think about all day?

>>62560508
you say small and comfy i say shriveled and starving. not every vtuber wants a giant community but essentially all of them would like one large enough for them to go full time off of, and sub 100 viewers isn't that.

>>62557283
cry more noob.. its actually much easier to bot yt

>>62560838
1/10 response. here's your (You)

>>62560889
>says this in a holoshit youtube worship thread
good one anon

>>62561007
There is literally no mention of Hololive in the OP, nor was Hololive even implied. The only ones thinking about Hololive in this thread are you and your Discord pals.

>>62561084
so this your first day on /vt/ then?
nice

Reminder that much of the hate for twitch on this board comes from the fact that Indonesian mobile service providers subsidize traffic on youtube for their data plans, but not for twitch.

Or in other words: Rangeban SEA.

>>62561194
No, but I'm tired of you making bullshit up just to win arguments over the Internet. You making yourself look like an actual schizophrenic.

>>62561084
anti-twitch platform tribalism actually does very strongly imply hololive. op is a holofag and you are also one who came here to do damage control for him.

>>62557819
https://youtu.be/75dUDnCujT4?t=4123

>>62557283
store the vod, get better netcode and better UX

>>62561292
Actually refuse to use Twitch because I got hacked there and had to go through quite a bit of trouble with Twitch support staff to get my money back.

>>62558711
Niji fans don't tribalfag over websites outside of some minor functionality complains here and there, at least not EN. Most everyone except for Holo actually have friends and collab with people on Twitch.

>>62561273
stop participating in holoshit tribalfaggory
simple as

>>62561348
How is Twitch suppose to make money then?

>platform is bad
>Um, no, specific group that also uses said platform and many more is actually bad
Tell me in what universe this argument makes sense?

Actually refuse to use youtube because I got hacked there and had to go through quite a bit of trouble with youtube support staff to get my money back.

>>62561808
I don't believe you.

>>62561745
It's very funny to me that you're going to pretend this isn't blatant Holofaggotry.

>>62561808
Google doesn't give refunds you lying retard

>>62561881
Youtube literally doesn't have customer support so it's quite believable in my opinion.

>>62561881
I watch indies on youtube but I'm not gonna tell you cause I'm a lying cunt

>>62561954
Yeah, but how the hell do you hack fucking Google?

>>62562041
you used the same password on another website and some chinaman bought a list with you on it and logged in and you didn't have 2fa on

>>62557283
About the bot thing I noticed that there are much more of than lately.

>>62557283
>If you're a vtuber and still using Twitch, what are you thinking?
"Fuck man, I love drama mill and the orgies"

>>62562143
proof?

>>62562094
That sounds like a "you get what you fucking deserve" kind of scenario.

HOLY SHIT!!!!!
Holodrones are in smables
don't look
EEEKKKK A MALE COLLABING WITH MATSURI
RIGHT NOW!!!!!
ON TWITCH OH NO NO NO!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/natsuiromatsuri_hololive

>>62562473
This is why Twitch is shit.

>>62562473
>thread posted right after this stream started
oh it makes sense now

>>62562612
so streaming on youtube prevents male collabs???
lol as if

>>62562094
Sounds like a " youre a fucking retard" problem to me

>>62559245
>indies
>YouTube
Nigga

>>62563092
Oh, there's plenty of decently sized indie chuubas on YouTube, nearly all of them are Japanese though

>>62563197
are there any that aren't also hololive orbiters?

>>62563197
Who are your faves?

>>62562699
LMFAO

>>62558711
>If you disagree with this, that's because you watch somebody there.
in other words, "If you disagree, that's because you actually use the site and know what you're talking about"
kek, you are correct about that part

>>62557283
youtube yab deflection

>>62563197
Thats kind of the issue, I wish more EN indies used Youtube, but if they do they probably won't see much more success than someone like Miori. YouTube is where almost all of the small corpos that aren't just microcorps are though, so it's not exactly just Holo and Niji like some people here say. Youtube just makes it easier to organize a group of people which is why I think it makes the most sense for corpos aside from Vshojo who have talents that all came from Twitch anyway.

>>62557283

>Random twitch seethe posted during sea hours.
Sea fucks don't get unlimited free data for twitch unlike youtube which most isp provides.
Which is why they won't stop malding because they can't watch their oshi if they ever stream on twitch.

>>62557283

>>62557283
/wvt/ whores are seething lmao
you're completely right

>>62565883
they also don't know how to set up the adblocker lol

>>62563265
>>62563295
Mind you, when I say "decently sized", I'm using /lig/'s standard, which means 100+ average CCV already counts as one. That being said, I like watching retro games, so here's my favorites. I don't recall seeing either of them a Holo orbiter
https://www.youtube.com/@Ririka_krmzw0707
https://www.youtube.com/@onononoimoko
https://www.youtube.com/@UratoChieru
>>62565803
How many decently sized EN indies even are there? I only know the ex-Tsunderia members

>>62565902

Youtube:
+ better for organizing groups/corpos
+ has permanent vods
+ takes a lower cut from earnings(?)
- insufferable without adblockers and actively tries to fight them
- you might get banned randomly by retarded bots

Twitch:
+ better for indie networking and discoverability
+ allows you to spice up your channel and streams with custom redeems, plugins, games with twitch integration, etc.
+ less copyright issues
- also fights adblockers, but may be okay to use without (some people seem to get massive amounts of ads but personally I get pretty few of them, also, being subscribed to a channel disables ads there)
- you might get banned randomly by retarded mods

I remember when people here were shitting on Twitch and its culture, what happened?
Also, OP makes some good points, regarding the viewcount that is kinda dumb that they count embedding as a view and the ads that are insufferable. React content is not just a Twitch thing, but because YouTube has ContentID your video can get marked for copyright automatically if you play the wrong video, they literally stop you midstream is you play something that it can detect. So Twitch is react content heaven no matter how you slice it.
The only thing Twitch has that Youtube doesn't is a vtuber category.
Not sure why everyone is deflecting to tribalfagging and they don't address the points he makes.

>>62566384
If you're talking 100+ viewers then I can't think of that many outside the former Tsunderia ones, I guess Ebi Ushio, Yuuka bear, and Shabel Tonya do okay (Though I'm not sure if Tonya is a 3view right now). Theres a handful of really good 2views on Youtube but most of them kinda orbit the smaller corpos. I think Youtube has potential as a streaming platform, but the people who stream on Twitch are just using it because that's where the most people looking for streamers are.

The "culture" is a bit overblown and is different from channel to channel. A big shocker I know.
If you only ever watch XQC then of course one would think all channels are the same.
You grow and cultivate a civilized audience, you get a healthy non-toxic chat and vice versa. This applies to both platforms.

>>62567132
The "culture" is a bit overblown and is different from channel to channel. A big shocker I know.
If you only ever watch XQC then of course one would think all channels are the same.
You grow and cultivate a civilized audience, you get a healthy non-toxic chat and vice versa. This applies to both platforms.

>>62560119
>bozos
go back

>>62557283
seethe more, indog

>>62566962
This mostly, both Youtube and Twitch have a purpose for streaming depending on what you're looking for, and neither are really worse than eachother. I'd add that Youtube makes sense for people who also make their own edited content as well since that edited content can bring more people to your streams, even Twitch streamers will take advantage of this sometimes though I'd argue they don't benefit as much.
>>62568000
I find the culture that people always complain about to still be prevalent on Youtube anyway, in my experience the bigger the chat the more insufferable it becomes. Best thing you can do is go digging for a chuuba with a community that you personally enjoy, it might take more time to find something good but I'd say it's worth it overall if you're willing to put in the time.

>>62566962
>better for indie networking and discoverability
That's a load of shit that's been disproven many times, both platforms suck ass at discoverability and networking is done by the people themselves off platform not by the platform itself.

>>62565902
numberfag and retarded.

>>62568000
Just like there are inside jokes in the vtuber sphere, there is a prevailing culture in the whole Twitch. Yes, there are exceptions, but those just confirm the rule.
I used the watch quite a lot of Twitch, but if there are some things that i like from the JP side of stream culture, is that chatters use the chat exclusively to chat with the streamer and not with eachother. Also, the constant TTS donations that break the flow of the stream are so annoying. The whole gamification of Twitch to try as hard as possible to take money from you feels very scummy.

twitch chat > youtube mobile toddler chat
and I turn 30 this week

>>62568606
I'd say it's partially true but it depends on how much work you're willing to put in. If you're doing very little in the way of marketing yourself then it's easier to find a streamer on Twitch just by scrolling through the Vtuber tag, at least compared to Youtube that doesn't have as many filtering tools. Though anyone who is putting in the effort is probably using Youtube and Twitter to advertise since the best you can get out of Twitch is raiding most of the time.

>>62566384
>not ex-tsun
There's Yuuka Bear... and that's it? oh and the /vdere/ girls (ex kawaii)

>>62568949
Nobody scrolls through tags, they click only the ones on the front page. Which is why the big people stay big and the low views stay low. At least with youtube you have a sliver of a chance with the algorithm pushing you.

>>62568606
As a viewer, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've "randomly" discovered a new chuuba that wasn't already part of a major corpo. Good luck being discovered there unless you're incredibly lucky or constantly playing the algorithm metagame (such as spamming shorts).
On twitch on the other hand, I can say I've discovered a ton of small chuubas in all kinds of ways. Raids and gifts help a lot (and although youtube has copied them, it's in a way that doesn't really attract new viewers: gifts only go to regulars and people don't raid randoms). Recommendations are better. And sometimes it's the small things for me, like seeing a cool emote in chat and getting interested in the channel it came from. I found some of my oshis due to these things, nothing of the sort on youtube.

>>62569787
Please tell me why I keep getting recommended people with like 10 viewers on youtube then. Shouldn't be possible according to you.

>>62570092
Even if you are on Twitch, if you don't upload your gaming VODs to YouTube you are missing out.
A video is there forever for people to find, unlike a stream, that stays as long as you are live.

>>62557283
The worst thing is going to a vtuber in twitch, eat yhe fucking ads, and the piece of shit vtuber is sleeping , not really streaming. Also vtubers that do react content are generally the laziest shit ever, hoping the content of others carry their persona

>>62570349
So you're saying twitch discoverability is based on... youtube? Why not do everything there then? If you want more than one channel you can do that and link them. Hell if you did everything on once channel then people watching your content can see that you are live at any given point in time.

>>62557283
OP is a holokek who got mad at his jp oshis streaming on twitch. No other corpos/ indies had issue with it kek. Cry harder faggot

>>62557283
If Twitch viewers aren't real and Twitch is irrelevant then where do the thousands of paying subs come from and why is there a thriving indie vtuber scene on Twitch and tons of indie vtubers on that site can live off of their streams?

There are very few EN indies on youtube that can live off of their vtubing. Youtube is the home of the major corpos, but as an indie it seems impossible to succeed there. I don't know if it's the algorithm or what it is, but apparently there is something.

Kick > youtube and twitch

2k shitter on twitch LMAOOOO
https://www.twitch.tv/laplusdarknesss_hololive
https://www.twitch.tv/laplusdarknesss_hololive
https://www.twitch.tv/laplusdarknesss_hololive

>>62570092
You tell me, I'd love to know

>>62570384
>going to a vtuber in twitch, eat yhe fucking ads, and the piece of shit vtuber is sleeping
Oh yeah sure, because that's totally a common occurrence and never happens on youtube?
I saw Poko from Idol do a donothon just a few days ago and keep the stream running while she slept. Pomu from Niji recently ran a vod relay for 300 hours while on vacation. Other chuubas do subathons on youtube as well. What the fuck does that have to do with twitch?
As for react content, if you thing it's shit, then don't watch those streamers. It's that simple. It's funny though how you guys love to bring this up as an argument against twitch, trying to spin the lesser restrictions imposed on everyone's content by the big corporate overlord into a *negative* somehow. Doing this on 4chan of all places is even funnier.

>>62572040
Same as this guy
https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro
Is this the power of VShojo?

>>62572097
comparing female to homo lmaooooooooo

>>62572305
There you go, faggot
https://www.twitch.tv/apricot

>>62571936
Well judging on how many people qualified for the new twitch perks, only a few oil barons gift subs and everyone else rides for free. That is, if the oil barons aren't twitch themselves.

>>62557283
Every major tech company will collapse in the next 10 years. Elon Musk just downsized twitter preemptively so it will survive the bubble bursting. Any company still playing useless women to work useless jobs will implode spectacularly.

>>62557283
WHOROSEETHE

>>62572332
>>62572040
Holokek? I thought you guys said Twitch number are fake. How can the mighty holoshit have the same CCV as Vshojo?

>>62557283
>The userbase is aging because younger audiences are sticking to YouTube and Tiktok.
Are there any vtubers that use Tiktok as their primary platform? How is discoverability there?

>>62572571
>vtuber has a japanese audience
>Twitch is not that popular in Japan
>still has the same views as Vshojo in their home turf
Maybe you should ask yourself that.

>>62572666
Tiktokers only want real people filming from their cheep-ass phones and doing random shit. Vtubers do better on Instagram.

>unironically think Twitch is not popular in JP
ICANT KEKW

>>62572747
This >>62572850

>>62572850
Compared to YouTube, yes, Twitch is just a blink on the radar in Japan.

>>62572965
we're talking about streaming here

>>62573154
On every level, Youtube is much more popular.

>>62570912
>people watching your content can see that you are live at any given point in time
Youtube is trash in that regard. I have twitch set up to send me email notifications whenever a channel I care about goes live, so I don't miss them. But youtube can't do that, all you can do is set up notifications for a specific stream, but you have to do that for every stream manually and obviously you can only do that for scheduled streams. The subscriptions feed is ass too. The only way I manage to keep track of youtube streams is by using Holodex, but of course they don't have every small indie listed there.

>>62573154
Japanese also prefer streaming on YouTube.

>>62572965
And is that why all of JP latest streaming trend ( VCR GTA, Rust, SF tournament,..) all coming from JP twitch streamer and HoloJP/NijiJP/VSPO start to stream on that site?

>>62573239
Not sure what you are trying to say here.

>>62565902
# was seething about this thread last night because it was instantly identified as Holofags seething and this is very funny to me. >>62562616

>>62572850
I think the popularity spike only happened recently.

>>62573417
Not a surprise, /#/ doesn't even understand the topic of their own thread or how to read data.

Also very funny to see the dumbest arguments ITT like there being better discoverability on Youtube.
Twitch is the better streaming platform, Youtube is the better media platform.

>>62568606
>disproven many times
lol

Twitch is more of a live chat service than a live streaming service. It's like Omegle or Discord except one person gets to facecam and everyone has to use the text chat. That's why watching Twitch VODs suck because it's like listening to a recording of a phonecall. YouTube is better if you are streaming an event where you don't really intend to interact with the chat much and you expect people to watch it afterwards, like a podcast recording or behind the scenes work.

>>62573543
my brother they are both used for streaming audio and video you can deliver whatever content you want as long as you follow their rules

WHY CAN'T I LOAD FROOT'S STREAM. I can see the Giri collab and the other one from Kuro or Katie's POV but I can't load Froot's at all.

ALso new thread
>>62573752
>>62573752
>>62573752

>>62573496
Not really. Twitch has been growing in JP since 2020. Twitch has quite a few successful indie (Totoro, karubi, Nacho,..) and now pretty much every JP indie that is not associated with Holo stream on there .A bonus fact Twitch has more viewers in JP than in Korea.

>>62573723
Just because you can doesn't mean it's gonna do well. Some content does better on one platform over the other. Soon we're gonna be seeing content creators utilizing all of the available live streaming services for different purposes and different kinds of content.

>>62573964
Wow, a few indies found some success. Surely that will motivate all of Japan to care about Twitch.

>>62573964
How are the japanese surviving the adpocalypse on twitch btw.
People on this site don't even know how to install an adblock.

>>62574173
>How are the japanese surviving the adpocalypse
They aren't

>>62557283
Militant anti Twitch faggots are either LatinX with shit Internet who cant deal with the Stream encoding or SEAniggers who have a restricted Data volume outside of FAGMAN sites that have unlimited Data deals.

Anyone who watches western indies knows that YouTube is only viable for decently sized Channels or have their own ecosystem of channels.
All the "Twitch is not built for discovery, YouTube is" tards dont realize that YouTube is only good when you play the algorithm. Tiny ass channel XYZ uploading 5+ hour long stream vods are not playing the algo.

>>62574172
And yet Laplus moving toward twitch, Ayame and Roboco tried to stream there. Kanae pretty much stream there everyday. Not to mention the fleshstreamer of JP. Can you find any JP fleshstreamer on Youtube?

>>62574266
You're probably not watching enough YT vtubers, or only watching hololive/niji. My recommendations feature 1views and 2views pretty often.

>>62573230
I have specific creators set to "all alerts" and get every single stream and post announcement, sounds like an issue of you not knowing how to use the platform

This has to be bait for tribalfags to seethe at corpos mostly on YT.

>>62574648
>Can you find any JP fleshstreamer on Youtube?
Yes. I follow a few.

>>62575310
That's why they'll stay 1view forever.

>>62575715
Says the guy who only watches the top 0.01% of Twitch.

>>62575516
>Sora the troll
>Pander to westerners
Ok now show me who actually streams for the JP and matters to the JP audience

>>62575777
Would you like any more recommendations, aka-chan?

>>62568606
>disproven many times
The number of vtuber accounts I follow on Twitch ballooned so fast that it rapidly eclipsed by existing follower count, doubled it, then tripled it within a single year. My prior followed channels was more than 10 years of Twitch watching.
Not to mention all the vtubers I've been exposed to and don't follow. Easily hundreds.

And it was ALL because of the tightly-knit vtubing community and the way Twitch facilitates spreading viewers around.

I could never fathom YouTube coming anywhere close to this experience.

>>62569536
>At least with youtube you have a sliver of a chance with the algorithm pushing you.
Twitch will recommend channels to you based on shared viewership with channels you already follow or have watched recently

>>62575884
Good to know he actually streams even though he streams like one a month.
Oh yeah and this is combined the 2 platform at this hour

>>62577039
>League
>Valorant
>GTAV
Grim

>>62574266
thanks for the technical explanation anon, now I understand. I thought they were just overzealous corpodrones.

>>62575310
has there any 1view vtubers made it to 4 view alone from scratch like on twitch ?

>>62577648
>1view vtubers made it to 4 view alone from scratch like on twitch
nice joke

>>62576604
>Twitch facilitates spreading viewers around
I find this refreshing. I watched Hololive until mid-2021 or so, then moved onto other vtubers. Thing about Youtube is, to this day it keeps flooding Hololive clips in my recs and rarely anyone I'd actually be interested in checking out (Niji, smaller companies, indies). No amount of blocking the clips helps. I have to go out of my way to find them on the platform, especially once they've had their viral 2-day impression boost period. Youtube having wrecked their search function, this has kinda become an ordeal, since now the Holo clips keep sneaking into the search results too.
The algorithm seems to be all about balling all potential vtuber watchers around one big spectacle (Hololive) to make it grow even bigger and more profitable for Youtube. Everyone else gets to sit the party out and stagnate.

Twitch serves me everyone from large to small, consistently. I get Vshojo, but I'm not inundated 24/7 by them. I've seen plenty of 1views and 2views, some with prospects for growth, others with none. They don't disappear into the ether forever if I click off one, like they would on Youtube. It's nice, makes me happy to be "in the scene", finding something fresh on almost a daily basis.

>>62577713
>You are not a clown. You are the entire circus

https://twitchtracker.com/akamikarubi

>>62557283
Anon, over 90% of /lig/ vtubers are on twitch.

Why do you think that is? Youtube is absolutely terrible for indies.

>>62577963
>alone
>most of her content is collabs
ogey

>>62578185
>moving the goal post
>not understand what streaming is
Ogey

>>62557283
Yes anon, you don't like people watching not-hololive so every one has to be bots.

>>62578329
im not moving the goal post, you are, the post said alone, that isnt alone

I don't like youtube because the theater mode pushes the chat beneath the stream

kekw omegalul
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>>62578451
>do not bother to check her content
>making assumptions
>still insist even though have been disproven by facts and numbers
It is ok I accept your concede

>>62578775
I did check her content, her clips on youtube that she posts on her own youtube, has her collabing and in voice chat with people since near the very start.

>>62578834
>unironic clip watcher
>probably EOP
You know you can check her content on twitch right? Twitch stores Vods for 2 months. Maybe try to watch a few stream before argue more.

>>62579161
Retard, its her OWN CHANNEL, this is HER CONTENT that SHE HERSELF is uploading. Shit I didnt even watch them I just hovered over them and saw that she had those discord voice chat things where the portrait lights up. You are making this person look even worse by defending her.

>>62557283
long time Twitch user here. I dropped it since a year ago. I honestly don't know how people still go there. The website has gotten so annoying with the ads.

>>62579161
>Vods for 2 months
Anon, if we're trying to find how she inclined, how is watching vods from 2 months ago gonna help?
Looking at her twitchtracker chart, you can see she started inclining somewhere in February -March of 2022. Twitch is not gonna show that.
Regardless of all that, it's very hard for a streamer to get big by himself, you need to do some novel stuff to succeed on your own, and even then if people don't see your stuff it's hard to get exposure.

>>62578618
Truffle will give you a non-fucked theater mode

Baffling that YouTube hasn't implemented such a simple layout change in all these years

>>62579364
We learn how to block the ads

>>62579161
Wait, they shortened the vod achieve lifespan? Am I smoking or it used to be 6 months of shelve life, no?
That's absolutely horrid then like damn.

>>62579962
It's 60 days if you are a partnered, turbo or prime user, otherwise it's 7 days.

>>62557283
There's a reason we call them Vtubers and not Vtwitchers

>>62579364
I don't think I've seen an ad on Twitch in years.

>>62579305
>actually admit the retard did not even watch her clip
Retard, did you even know what her content is? Valorant and what is the most important things in Valor? Communication. Such a shame that we have such a retard here.
It is ok you can go back to YT while the JP are using Twitch more and more.

>>62580627
>its illiterate
I'm so sorry you can't read anon. It must be a great burden on you. I'm sure there are courses out there that you can use to learn how to read and communicate with other people. I'm rooting for you!

>>62573543
Thats the 2view experience in general though, or zatsu experience in general

>>62577768
Not only that, but the recommended works really well for networking as well. Vtubers find other vtubers and become friends through it. A good indie can grow at exponential rates on Twitch because of the recommended tab

>>62557283
Nope, they will remain relevant due to the fact that the entire western audience and pool of streamers all grew up with the website. The equivalent of this would be "reddit is a thing, 4chan is irrelevant now!" which isn't fucking true in any universe.

Twitch has become worse but it's not going anywhere, it will survive on brand name alone and amateurs will still prefer to stream on the famous streaming website than to stream on the famous video hosting website that just so happens to also allow you to stream. If you ask me, both are shit for different reasons, primarily the ad spam, but they each do some good things but a lot of bad things. Big streamers with a loyal audience can stream anywhere too, their followers will go where they go. The newbies starting out are the ones that get fucked over by both websites.

>>62580929
>it will survive on brand name alone and amateurs will still prefer to stream on the famous streaming website than to stream on the famous video hosting website that just so happens to also allow you to stream
This is mostly my take, it doesn’t really matter if twitch is good or bad when its the most well established platform for people looking to stream. Despite everyone knowing how shitty Youtube is, plenty of people have tried and failed to break into the video hosting industry. People don’t stay because Youtube is such a great platform, its because going anywhere else would guarantee you’d have a smaller audience, which means nobody wants to produce content for those platforms, which then means nobody looks for content on those platforms.

twitch has a better layout

>>62579954
>>62580350
But how will Daddy Bezos make his money???

The vtubers I watch are on youtube (not hololive fuck you), which I preferred because I hate twitch culture with shit like global emotes and getting crucified if you do sub only streams, on top of the player itself being ass compared to youtube and me just generally not using twitch otherwise like I do youtube. BUT, holy fuck youtube has been actively trying to make me wish the vtubers I watch would move to twitch, with all the shit breaking in especially the last 6 months.
>periods where streams constantly die
>periods where chat constantly dies
>periods where streams get super desynced from chat to a point where you don't know if you're commenting on something said 30 seconds ago
>periods where sending more than 1 emote every 10 minutes suddenly gets you shadowbanned for 24 hours
>all the broken shit on the streamer's side where their chat dies or raids fail etc.
It's all getting fucking old. Meanwhile instead doing shit like reducing the awful chat delay, or improving chat performance, or adding gif emote support, or anything that's useful or what people actually want, they do shit like add the fucking emote autism button.

I don't give a shit about stuff like channel metrics and discoverability or whatever because 98% of that is just you people making shit up and citing your own bias towards whichever platform as evidence. I just want an actually properly functioning site and TO STOP FUCKING GETTING SHADOWBANNED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Shaka, Daruma, K4sen, Fantasista
>Kanae, Karubi, Tororo
Yeah no, at least in Japan Twitch streaming and Vtubing is growing, and stronger every year as well
Anywhere else is irrelevant because I don't watch them, but i heard Isegye is doing well too

>>62557283
>If you're a vtuber and still using Twitch, what are you thinking?

People on twitch are insufferable but they are not nearly as bad as youtube viewers or even people from here. I wish vtubing could become like regular streaming because I fucking HATE vtuber fans, you guys are fucking insufferable and pathetic. I want nothing to do with you guys. I just wanted to stream my games. I don't want sexpests writing about their pedophile rape fantasies in my chat. You guys are all fucking weirdoes and you deserve everything bad that happens to you.

>>62583244
Ok, Gura

>>62583244
gura pls stream i beg

>>62557283
high 2view on YouTube, for example Beatani:
>chat was retardedly fast
>polls shown that actually it is 500 viewers, but they are being stupidly culled because of bullshit reasons like adblock/different tab/being black
>when she wants to react to viewers submissions like fanart or photos or music rating, she easily can gather content for 2 hours from current fanbase
Twitch high 2view:
>you literally can groom her because you are only one writing in chat
>if she asks for advice and there is no answer despite 75 "current viewers" aka bots and friends "lurking"
>has literally no fanart with exception when she paid for it herself
And you know what? From business point of view it doesn't matter.
Contracting company's boss is most likely some old dude that don't know how to turn on computer and believes marketing director's lies that "internet presence matters not results" so he gives him heavy money. This money goes to some millennial that has to spend it on whatever internet shit he wants, so he sorts by numbers on Twitch and spams email offers. He doesn't give a damn. Twitch also doesn't give a shit about number being fake, because they can show it to investors.
It is a bubble that won't get burst in any foreseeable future

>>62559095
Holobronies are the Jews of vtubing, everything has to be about them and their extreme victim complexes

>>62573417
# is retarded as always lol

>>62580318
>There's a reason we call them Vtubers
Because that's what Ai-chan called herself (barely a streamer tho)

>>62557283
Twitch is good for me as an indie because it has a greater discoverability, people can find me without already knowing I exist!

>>62588859
You have a higher chance of getting discovered on Youtube if you don't have bigger creators to funnel people to you.

>>62588933
I've heard the YouTube algorithm is very all or nothing and a large majority of other smaller vtubers I've known that have started on YouTube have eventually made the swap to Twitch due to the higher discoverability. It's nice for me on Twitch because since I'm smaller, it gives me a chance to slowly grow and improve my skills along with my audience, I think if I didn't have the skills to stream to 20 people at a time, I definitely wouldn't be ready to stream to 200 if YouTube decided it was time to pump me up in the algo.

>>62588859
>Twitch
>discoverability
lol, lmao

>>62589720
Between tags, raids from other vtubers who are easier to find and engage with and Twitch having categories on the front page for streamers with small communities that I've got bumps from, it's pretty good! I've had a few from just being recommended to people entirely at random as well, they show all these in your stats.

>>62557283
>just leaving the tab open for background noise
Imagine using this as one of your points when we all know most people listen to streams on YouTube as background noise

>>62583244
>Claims to hate everyone /here/
>Is still posting /here/
not a smart plan. you will quickly find out that twitch and youtube viewers are cut from the same clothe if you ever bother to stream again gura.

>>62588933
Unless all you're watching is vtubers, then sure, but if you watch a million different things, your recommendations are going to be a million different things. Same with twitch, if you're only watching vtubers, then you're going to get mostly vtubers or e-whores in general. Also, interaction is key in both sites, especially youtube, which is why people beg you to engage with either comments or likes, to push their videos to get them more recommended.

>>62591317
create a second account and only watch vtubers and block all other content, im sure the algorithm will give you what you want. gotta block the clip channels too. it will then ONLY recommend you vtubers.

>>62591447
you don't even have to make a new account, you can just not sign in and watch maybe 5-10 videos, then your recommendations will be filled with it. You probably won't get smaller vtubers, but you'll at least get that result of your feed being mostly vtuber content. I'm sure if you start looking up specific smaller vtubers, then it'll start doing that when not signed in.

>>62591963
just click on a bunch of small creators and you will start getting recommended more small creators, I have found a few gems recently with channels with under 2k subscribers.

>>62589720
How many times do you have to be BTFOed for you to understand that Youtube is dogshit for discoverability?
Name me 5 4view EN indies on YouTube.

Look at how simple this is on Twitch. I literally discovered Hackerling and watched her quite a few times just from finding her on this sidebar.

>>62592156
Simply watching a few videos I got this girl doing, what I assume to be some kind of event singing 8k songs. It really doesn't take much.
>>62592313
based hannah banana watcher

>>62592313
Now if only she actually uses her model...

>>62565803
There's a reason to why indies use Twitch over YouTube. Good luck growing on YouTube. Twitch has streamer culture with streamers constantly watching, shouting out, and raiding one another. If you're an indie on YouTube you're on your own. When people go on Twitch they go on for streams. If they go on YouTube they will be there for videos first, maybe get caught in a shorts rabbit hole. Unless you have a corpo backing you up there is no reason to pick YouTube over Twitch. Even content creators with a sizeable following you see they dropped YouTube streaming for Twitch and relegate YouTube as a video platform. You havw outliers like Mangs and Decino, but you get more people just going for the streaming platform.

>>62557283
You must understand that the real money in advertising isn't in actually engaging users. Rather, it's in convincing the guy signing your cheques that you're engaging users. It's been known for a century or more that adverts are a pretty shit way of reaching out to potential customers. But the person showing you an advert has no reason to care. Their job is to convince someone else that their advert is great.

The real target of marketing isn't you; it's the company whose product is being advertised.

>>62590909
Man, I was spammed with new recommendations after listening to "sleep music" a couple times.
Chuubas don't get pushed by algo that hard. To find eternal 1-2view searching from a clean account or incognito mod is needed

>>62590724
>>62592177
I tried searching for vtubers/streamers to enjoy there, but they're all either too boring, too hyper, or too pretentious. I gave up trying. It's like only the most narcissistic people hang out on Twitch.

>>62592313
You have shit taste.

>>62592795
Youtube has "raids", too, but I feel like no one uses it and there's not really a way to shout people out on youtube like twitch. And even twitch implemented a super chat system, so they can take more money, but still. You can't use emotes across channels, there's no animated emotes, no 7tv or FFTV, less stream interaction, no addons, that's why I like twitch more. Youtube feels like a super early version of twitch.

>>62592795
So what you're saying people who are failures go to Twitch? Naruhodo...

>>62589720
What's the discoverablity of YouTube? Making shorts and hoping one or many blow up, and still hardly anyone tunes into your streams because YouTube caters to three different people? People that want videos, people that want shorts, and people that want streams?

>>62593601
>What's the discoverablity of YouTube?
Making good content instead of just saying "Chat! Chat! Chat!" 10 hours a day.

>>62593555
I wouldn't call TheDuelLogs a failure. He streamed on YouTube then went to Twitch to stream because it's simply better for singular people.

>>62593601
Interaction such as comments, likes and time watched.

>>62593676
How can you find good content if you don't even know it exists in the first place? As I pointed out before most vtubers that are from small corpos or are indie now get subs from their shorts which have a different audience than stream watchers most of the time.

>>62593760
How can you be discovered when no one knows you to inflate those statistics?

>>62593859
That's because they think live streams needs to be like the unimaginative slop over on Twitch. Anyone with half a brain can make live streams on YouTube actually entertaining instead of treating it like a Discord call.

>>62593927
Post your videos on Twitter, Reddit, Discord, etc.
Show your family your channel.
Buy an ad.

>>62593927
On youtube? It's practically luck, I have been getting literal 2views lately, granted fleshtubers mostly, but it does happen.

>>62594024
You haven't watched many different Twitch streamers, have you? There are people that beat an entire consoles game library, others that use a hand cam when they draw their map for dungeon crawlers, and others that use roulette wheels to get a random game to sample over time.

>>62594108
No one is following your Twitter without knowing you.
>Shilling
>Shilling to family
>Using money when tons of people use Adblock
LMAO

>>62594161
I rarely ever get a small streamer on YouTube. I got only one guy streaming to four people playing Terror of the Deep.

>>62594365
If you're not shilling, then you're not trying.

remember that all of these threads are being caused by the same indogs who are seething a twitch vtuber made it into TGA, and therefore they actually cannot watch her without having to spend money
Stay poor and dirty, indogs

>>62594284
>beat an entire consoles game library
Boring
>others that use a hand cam when they draw their map for dungeon crawlers
Yawn
>others that use roulette wheels to get a random game to sample over time
Sounds stupid

>>62594427
Just set the search options to "live" and you'll eventually find some really small streamers.

>>62594427
Yeah, it is incredibly rare, but it will happen. Also this >>62594608

>>62557283
this is true of all streaming sites

>>62594608
I don't want to just press "live". That's still too broad. I want to find content I want to watch and it's simply better to use Twitch for that. I literally just type in retro and I filtered tons of crap I don't care about. I did that with YouTube and it was mostly 24/7 pre-recorded streams.

>>62592458
>I got this girl doing, what I assume to be some kind of event singing 8k songs.
>Ano Himeno
Anon...

>>62594880
I have literally never heard of her until just tonight, anon.

>>62594842
>I don't want a search bar
>I want my pre-Yahoo-era hyperlink directories

>>62595046
>Look for live retro gaming streams
>Find absolutely nothing that I wanted with 24/7 pre-recorded streams and the first stream that isn't pre-recorded us Roblox
Uh huh.

>>62595322
Why are you watching people play outdated video-games? That sounds retarded.

>>62594533
Does very long karaokes and pity baiting subathons
Still a 1- low 2 view. It doesn't matter how much she streams or gains subs

There's at least officially no reason now not to multi stream or at least make content for other platforms. The "You can't multistream" was low key a cope for creators who just wanted to hit the go live button and stream whatever they wanted for hours in the name of growth. It's pretty commonly understood that when you aren't live, your Twitch Channel isn't growing.

However, now your multistreamed YouTube VOD can be doing work for you on YouTube, people from your TikTok videos come in to your multistreamed TikTok live and then go to your Twitch.

People who did not start multistreaming or making other platforms a bigger focus of their content strategy are going to get left in the dust. My Oshi has jumped hundreds of followers since multistreaming. Their active chatter base feels like it's 3x'd in 3 weeks.

History and the noomber charts will reflect when the multistream gate was lifted for twitch choobas and who took advantage of it.

>>62595913
>>62594993

>>62596259
Wait, is she the one that keeps making new accounts/ changing when she gets caught or is that someone else?

>>62589720
You know I did this test before in a similarly old thread but fuck it let's do it again. Brand new tab opened in an incognito window with a search for vtuber on YT and filtered by live vs looking at the vtuber tag on Twitch. Here's what the first 24 results on each site gives. Number chosen because Twitch displays 6 streams per row so it's 4 rows down

Twitch: 5 flesh streamers misusing the tag (xqc, Mizkif, xop0, Tectone, and APlatypuss)
19 vtubers (Nyanners, Enviosity, LunaOni, Geega, LaynaLazar, Ratopia, Bao, stegi, Trickywi, Emikukis, MurderCrumpet, ぷてぃちゃん, 쿠우0_0, , Amalee, Miyunie, ZilverK, DyaRikku, CyYuVtuber, and Kirsche)
With a dropdown menu you can filter out of Twitch's algo into Most Viewers, Least Viewers, or streams that just started.

Youtube's results are so messy I'm just going to list them out.
3 24/7 AI streams (at least they have models up? typecastglobal, VTuber-rw4zm, and AI_Vtuber)
2 News channels (one is being read by an automated TTS vtuber model? newslivebyvtuber4489 and Taiwan SETNEWS)
4 actual streamers having past archives run 24/7 (mikannovocal, hinatakinaco, hitohutakiri, and iramiYT. That last one is iffy because it's AI, but it's not live 24/7)
2 Member's stream (why are these even in the results? zakiV, and MeongCit)
13 actually live streamers (Mari Yume, Finana, Rekson, Flayon, Kori-Oujo, HisenVTuber, r322cgaming, RuiEventide, RanTsukiha, venaliazure7891, ladyoka, Avarice_Incarnate, and d1ne)
And just for shits and giggles one of those actual live streamers as I'm sure any /lig/ger will tell you is Rekson, who is a Twitch streamer. He's only live on YT thanks to restreaming and it's not even his primary platform.
Of course, if you try and filter the results to get things more tailored to you then you get booted out of the live tag so you can't easily.

Anyway that's what we're dealing with here and it's easy to see why Twitch wins.

>>62596356
No

>>62583244
As someone who streams on Twitch, YouTube, and TikTok (in that order of progression, now multi to all) YouTube frogs are BY FAR the weirdest audience. Weird ESL users, calling me good girl, talking explicitly sexually about the game character's bodies. Really lacking any sort of social skills or cues

>>62596521
So Twitch pretty much just gives you the choice to watch what everyone else is watching or watch what literally no one is watching. Now I can see why Reddit hipsters adore that site.

>>62588933
You sound like someone who doesn't actually make content, no one actually has this opinion

>>62596870
Isn't that the point? They at least make it easier to find new people by filtering least-most watchers. Youtube just throws a bunch of trash out at you. You go to the "live" tag on youtube and you get fucking finger family live stream trash. You can filter by games or tags on twitch to better define your search, while on youtube you just get everything thrown at you, making it harder to find even low-number streamers.

>>62596870
Half of Youtube's search results are literal garbage and that's your takeaway lmao. But that was just competing on even footing with the most absolute basic of searches. If you want to be more specific you can search for games on Twitch then filter those too. So if you're in the mood for, let's say, some Left 4 Dead 2. You can also run a search for that and filter those results by vtuber to get exactly what you're looking for.

>>62596521
>Vtubers
>Filian
>roblox vtubers
>cringe
My sides

>>62596870
The Twitch front page and sidebar are better, on the front page specifically you find vtubers that share viewership with other channels you've frequented, ranging from 2views to 4views. The only downside is that Twitch doesn't recommend anyone under 10ccv, so starting out is rough, as is with streaming in general.

>>62597140
I don't want to watch what everyone else is watching, and I don't want to watch some kid who installed OBS for the first time. Most of the streamers I find on YouTube are through the related videos section, and they are actually similar to the content that I'm watching unlike Twitch's "recommendations" which are typically just other streamers that frequently raid each other. Of course if you try searching in incognito mode, you're just going to see trash pushed by bots and third-worlders just like the trash you see on the home page while signed out. YouTube doesn't know what you usually watch, so it's just giving you random selections until you pick something. Disliking and clicking "do not recommend" will filter that content out. The big difference between YouTube and Twitch is that people on YouTube go into much more detail describing the content in the video description, tags, etc., so it has a better chance of matching it correctly with other similar content rather than looking at the streamer's social network. YouTube is much closer to a meritocracy, rewarding people who make similar content to what you like, whereas Twitch is closer to a mediocracy, rewarding people who are simply friends with the streamers you follow.

>>62593474
>Youtube has "raids", too, but I feel like no one uses it and there's not really a way to shout people out on youtube like twitch.
It's about how the different features work together. On twitch, a typical chain of events goes like this: A streamer you watch ends stream and picks someone to raid. They get a shoutout, chat for a bit etc. Maybe you close the tab anyway because you have to go to sleep or whatever, but despite that, someone gifts subs there and one of them goes to you while you're offline. Now you'll get a gentle reminder of this for the next month whener you write in someone's chat, on account of the gifted emotes being available to you. You might also see other people use them.
Nothing like that ever happens on youtube. Raids don't work that way because people only raid their friends/corpomates (in the beginning, it wasn't even possible to raid people who hadn't whitelisted you first). Gifts don't work that way because they only go to online viewers and are biased towards regulars, plus they're kind of at odds with the whole "membership = exclusive club" culture there (twitch actually has sub-only streams too, but nobody does those). And emotes don't work that way because the emote picker is shit and you can't use them across channels anyway.
Even though Youtube copied the features, they don't fit together like they do on twitch and it makes all the difference.

>>62596521
you need to build the algorithm just a little bit bro, load up some vods, like idk 20 of them, from streamers to get them in your search and watch history, block clip channels, then you will start to find smaller channels.

>>62573964
Yeah, many jp streamers have started doing twitch streams in recent months even if it's not their main platform.

>>62598147
Get this anon

You can scroll down a list. Go to most views, then instead of looking only at the first row of people with thousands of viewers and crying "Woe is me! Wherever shall I find the streamers who are competent but not too big?" you can scroll down for like 5 seconds and get more results. And I only say start from most to least because there's a LOT more 0-1views then there are 1k+views. Also the example you cited with Youtube recommending you more of what you're already watching is the exact reason it sucks there. YT streamers are competing against VODs and regular YT content. On Twitch you're ONLY competing against streamers.

>>62598147
>I don't want to watch what everyone else is watching, and I don't want to watch some kid who installed OBS for the first time.
You're going to be doing that anyway regardless if you watch someone with 100 viewers or 10k. If people actually used the raid function on youtube, they'd be doing the exact same thing of raiding friends and people they know personally. I do understand there's specific stuff you want to watch, everyone has preferences, but youtube is going to recommend you stuff even if it's not as close-related to the content you do watch. As posted earlier in this thread, I just "watched" a few videos (really just clicked on a bunch of vtuber related content in the recommended section) and now if I go to the live section it gives me a bunch of two-views along with a bunch of stuff of course, because I haven't refined it that much. You don't even have to sign in, you don't even have to dislike something (which you can't do unless you sign in), and you can't even tell it "do not recommend" unless you sign in. Most normal people don't even use tags on youtube unless it's something specific or a company. If you look up reviews for a game, the only people using tags are people like IGN or Gamespot. The reason for that is because you can simply type in, say, Elden Ring and get the most popular videos from that alone, no tag needed. The most I see in a video description is plugs for their socials/ twitch if they have one, and a synopsis of the video. But, I think the point is if you're new to youtube and someone recommends you something, you look it up, then youtube will refine more and more the more you watch of said thing.

>>62598601
>just scroll lol
That's just bad design. Haven't you ever heard of scroll fatigue?

>>62557283
>This thread picks up traction exactly when multiple streams are shitting the bed on YT
Ghost of Susan past, get ye gone!

>>62600924
take your meds, anon, nothing going on here. maybe go watch some streams on twitch.

>>62600818
Lose some weight

>>62600924
>finding patterns that aren't there
If only there was a term for this kind of behavior...

>>62600818
If that's bad design then what do you call Youtube lol

>>62602086
YouTube has been working for me for 16 years.

>>62602230
So if you want
-Mid-sized streamers
-Currently live
-Under a specific category (vtuber)
On Twitch: You scroll down a bit
On Youtube: ???

>>62602452
I don't want that though.

>>62602544
Then quit making retarded arguments

>>62600818
I mean i filter for lowest to highest when I use twitch since I don’t watch big streamers, Youtube doesn’t really have that. That being said, people have to actually pick this option, plus if you want to be recommended you have to be interacting with other streamers, which is hard to do when you’re small. Both Twitch and Youtube are shit for discoverability, but the only thing youtube really has is praying that your short spam hits the algorithm, which may not even boost viewership by much. Twitch at least gives the user a little bit of control over whether or not your streams will be seen by anyone, even if the chance is still incredibly low.

>>62557283
Not only that but they gameified it so much to the point that streams become nothing but spams of redeems and repetitive zoomer garbage. No different from the tiktok live ice cream shit.
Half the site is just e-thots farming with "reruns" anyways at this point

>>62602723
That's the problem with Twitch. There's just too many options. YouTube can narrow it down to the top 8 recommendations, and if I don't like them, I can just refresh, or I can search for something specific, or I can do something else with my time if I end up feeling like I don't want to watch anything anymore. On Twitch, unless someone I'm already following is on, I have to tireless navigate through the categories and lists and half the time I feel like I can never find anyone actually entertaining so I never bother anymore. It's too much work. I think anyone who enjoys that has autism or something.

>>62603265
Nigga what

>>62603364
Clearly you have autism.

>>62596521
>>62597173
Oh, that's rough
>>62598560
Who else is going to do something like this?

>>62557283
youtube has 0 discoverability for 2-3 view chuubas. I barely get recommended any on youtube while twitch's sidebar constantly recommends me small vtubers whenever i log on

>>62603265
>Youtube can narrow it to the top 8 recommendations
okay. So can Twitch. Just don't scroll lol. Twitch has an algo too. Here's my recommended under the vtuber tag when actually logged in vs incognito. No manual blocking or telling it to not recommend me channels required because I can't believe someone would try to spin that as a good thing.

>>62605010
Wow, it's all so homogeneous. They all look like fucking clones of each other. Why am I suppose to care about Twitch vthot #24 over Twitch vthot #25?

>>62603978
ogey mr groomer

>>62605425
>Wow, it's all so homogeneous. They all look like fucking clones of each other.
Pretty based huh

how much does google pay you for this i need a job

>>62606367
Half of them stream on twitch so I don't see your point

>>62606367
Funny shork :D

>>62606367
>all from the same mama

>>62606367
All of these come from all over the place and had models literally made by the same person, so I don’t really think this is at all comparable.
>Gura
Large corpo
>Nachoneko
JP vtuber and artist for all the chuubas here
>Kana
Former Small EN corpo and current indie
>Luto
Small EN corpo
>Naname
JP indie
>Kona
Thai corpo chuuba
None of these really occupy the same space in the market, whereas Twitch is mostly just western indies.

>>62557283
>Twitch is irrelevant
Sure it is

I hate twitch. Its one of the worst websites i ever had the displeasure to use. I did like stream.me and bitwave.tv tho. Those were fun and had a high degree of freedom. Youtube is not perfect but its so poorly run you can get away with a lot.

If you defended twitch here you are a limpwristed selfhating loser who wants to live in judeo-communist dictatorship overseen by mentally ill trannies, licking their stink gashes daily. Fuck you and all the garbage sleep reaction streamers.

Twitch and Youtube have different audiences and algorithm.

Twitch:
Easier to be discovered. Just stream a lot and buy some embeds and are at the top of the page.
Audience is predominately male.
Don't even have to watch the stream to count as a view, why advertisers pay less on that platform.
Vods don't help much in revenue either.
For EN vtubers, the ceiling is much lower on Twitch.

YouTube:
Actually have to be entertaining to break into the algo. Likes, comments, views, subscriptions and more are part of the algo process. If like and watch the recommendations, it reinforces it.
Audience is more split between males and females. And much larger.
Video has to be in focus to count as a view. Adblockers don't count either. Why advertisers pay much more on YouTube.
Vods get the most ad revenue. Especially for those that don't insert ads into their streams.
Years from now will still make revenue from VOD views.
No ceiling for Vtubers on YouTube.

Why is /#/ so retarded?

>>62577648
Yes, mostly Japanese ones.

>>62613764
would like to say 'keep seething' but the truth is that the world could use some actual competiton for the main streaming sites.